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Echo147
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.07 16:40:00 -
[91]
I guess half of the 500b/week gets donated to BoB so they can make the losses look good to the client
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.07 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: Montaire You cant just "Hire" the MC.
You need a plan. Too many people want to use MC as police, or try and get MC to save them when they are in trouble.
MC are *NOT* regulars. They are elite shock troops and need to be used accordingly. They cant (or wont) patrol your space, kill the people ganking your mining barges or stop some Privateers from killing you in empire.
You should have a plan as to what you need MC to accomplish, how you are going to help them (Logistics? CynoNets? Support Fleet?) and how they can help you. How are they interfacing with your fleet command ? Where are they basing out of, do they needs POS's ? Literally a hundred questions.
Having said that, its more isk for each MC corp you want to have involved and various other factors.
If someone in "The North" wanted to hire MC it would be a rough sell. I belive 500 bil per week if all you said is "Attack BOB". Start with somthing like this :
I need you to help me attack BOB. We need to have them withdraw troops from LOCATION X and ease our supply lines. To this end I need MC to attack 3 keys systems X, Y and Z. These are station systems with X towers of so-and-so race, they are fitted like this. You do not have to take the stations but I will pay X amount extra if you do. In addition I want X MC corp to do empire ops only, focusing on known empire supply base X and Y. We anticipate this taking three months, and we will agree to commit X forces to fight. While you are attacking X, Y and Z our forces will attack A, B and C. We will do this on this day, at about this time.
Start with somthing like that, flesh it out, pool your isk and go from there. Anything less and your not going anywhere.
Good post, and I think that basically summarizes the topic.
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The Beatnuts
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.05.07 16:55:00 -
[93]
People realy need to stop saying bullcrap.
MC is like any other product.
If it's too expensive for you, you won't buy it.
If it's not, you will buy it.
But I can't see people start a witchwar just because you think ketchup is too expensive.
/omee
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James Snowscoran
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.07 17:20:00 -
[94]
Originally by: The Beatnuts
But I can't see people start a witchwar just because you think ketchup is too expensive.
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Murukan
Minmatar Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.05.07 17:22:00 -
[95]
The MC business model is simple and makes sense tbh Contract A- PvP alliance lots of losses probable Contract B- Empire alliance, boring Contract C- Industrial alliance omgodz killratios!
All 3 will pay a pretty penny but only one lets the MC use that swedish made e-peen enlarger on the forums
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.05.07 17:27:00 -
[96]
I would like to contract MC to change all Fade station names in the name of LLAMA.
I pay in Livestock.
Contact me in-game if interested. -------------------------------------
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Djerin
Obsidian Exploration Services
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Posted - 2007.05.07 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Seleene While it's understandable (and been made clear in other posts) why no such offer was eventually made, it does not change the fact that the door was always open to it and that weÆve been surprised before.
I think the main reason none of the northern entities really came up to you was because they didn't know whether to trust you. You've been living just inside the very enemie's territory and they might have been afraid of actually paying the enemy upon hiring you. You didn't ever tell neutrals/public about your real standing towards you're contemporary employer. People knew you were good at your job, they just didn't know whether you had been employed already. Now of course, this doesn't matter anymore. All the complaining wont change past decissions.
Future predictions are matter of opinion right now. Only thing i know is: i'm never gonna hire you (well, unless i happen to become insanely rich maybe).
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Vyxx
Shinra
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Posted - 2007.05.07 18:41:00 -
[98]
one time i gave my girlfriend a 'chili dog'
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Apollyon X
FIRMA
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Posted - 2007.05.07 19:00:00 -
[99]
MC is just like every other alliance in the game. They kill and befriend whoever they want the only difference between them and other alliances is that they manage to get paid to kill people others would kill for free.
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Ferocious FeAr
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.07 19:06:00 -
[100]
Seriously after reading some of the comments on here....my response is
I'M STARVING!
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Plim
Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.05.07 19:26:00 -
[101]
How much would you pay for my soiled pants? ----------------- OMG! SiGnAtUrE gO mEnTaLz |
MIGHTYDWC
Gallente Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.07 19:31:00 -
[102]
Peanut Butter and Banana sandwich. Epic Win!!!!
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Firane
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.07 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Wylker Ever heard of an Irish Chili Dog?
You take a large bun, cut it open and lay it open face on a plate. Take a sausage or hot dog, slice it flat and cover the bun. Cover that with french fries until its about 4 inches high. Smother that entire thing in chili, bacon pieces, and melted cheese. Enjoy it for 20 minutes until your heart stops.
One of the greatest inventions ever.
Goddamn that sounds tasty.
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Murukan
Minmatar Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.05.07 19:42:00 -
[104]
I got to use the swedish made e-peen enlarger which i find much more hilarious than it actually is so i'm happy.
Manlove by Zaphod Jones
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Kobanashi Laro
Die Apokalyptischen Reiter Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.07 20:19:00 -
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1. Topic is flamebait. 2. Topic is not worth beeing discussed.
MC do what they are good at or even better. --
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Dash Ripcock
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.07 21:00:00 -
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Originally by: Banlish
Oh for pete's sake...
Class B These are the mercs that are really starting to make a name for themselves and have been working in certain sectors of EVE for months if not years Many people associated Outbreak with working in the north for instance However these mercs can take AND recieve a pounding without shattering. Mercs in this class can take almost horrendous losses in a battle and they still have good replacements stashed elsewhere and can come back, meaner and ready for payback.
Class A These mercs are known by almost everyone, by name at the very least. Or by the fact that along some of their careers they've faced these mercs and know how good they are. (Example: I've only been in EVE for around 20 months but I've fought against Burn Eden, Outbreak, Veto, KIA and MC. Why? Because they take contracts almost anywhere and are willing to travel to setup a new offensive) On top of that, these kinds of mercs deploy all kinds of crazy gear that even some corps cannot deploy. Large groups of capitals, super capitals, full tech 2 fleets, etc. They can bring the fight, and some bring it 23/7 or until the contract lapses. They also hold their contract as an unbreakable bond, they won't dishonor the spirt of the contract.
That's a nice post Banlish, just one minor detail. Outbreak aren't mercenaries. Nobody hires us. We either want in on a fight or we don't. No discredit to your original post as it's excellent.
Outbreak - The Movie
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El Yatta
Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.05.07 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Banlish
There isn't just ONE way to classify a merc. classes etc
I have to say that I dont really agree with much of this, because it is based on the fairly unreliable notion that mercs are /always/ mercs. I have a good deal of experience of the merc industry, and ran the merc thread for some time, so I saw a lot of contracts (those that I knew were real, those that I suspected were fake, and many in between), and your categories just dont take into account that lots of high-quality PVPers with lots of merc experience, and a reputation people would trust, dont do the merc thing full-time: I'd see long gaps between genuine contracts, where people were just having fun, building infrastructure, 0.0 ganking, private wars, etc. These are people with far more than the "2-10" contracts you suggest as a low-level merc, and who have held to the principles of a contract just as those you classify as class A, for years. MF moved into this gap around 9 months ago when we stopped full time contracting, and these days we aren't that interested in taking more, although its always an option, as I beleive we still have our rep, our trustworthyness, and of course we're better than ever at the old killing, but we just dont really see that as our future.
We are just an example, as this wasnt really about "where's our category?", because some might agree that we're not really "mercs" any more. My point was that so many people, with almost no exceptions, fit those categories, because they assume you do nothing but the mercing, and thats just not the case. They're all normal corps and alliances, and do normal corp/alliance things, often for more time per month/year than contracted work.
Ironically, of course, Dash has the same and more experience as I, and also ran the merc thread, and he just approved of what you said, arf.
Finally, there is /way/ too much slurpy-noised sucking up to many entities in the game, based on their "merc" status, (many of whom I have great respect for, I should add), but everyone should remember that that status is literally a self-creation: merc corps prove themselves on the field, just as any other good combat corp or alliance, and the rest of the merc repuation is all about PR, self-declaration as a merc, and generally putting about the opinion that you are a member of an elite club. You can turn it off as well as turn it on, but at the end of the day, the reason /everyone/ in this thread is struggling to define "what is a merc" so they can answer the question "are MC mercs??" is because there is no definition, in EVE it is a self-created status. One of your two rotating signatures exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected]) |
Zembla
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.07 23:45:00 -
[108]
Some days I eat fish. The next day I usually regret doing that. I'm not much of a fish person you see. I don't like the structure, it's not so much the taste. The taste I can live with, but the structure... especially if there's bones in them.
This also means I don't like tuna sandwich.
Oh, btw, if we shoot ppl for money, we don't really care much who we shoot, as long as the pay's right. Then again, it's not uncommon for an opponent to hold a grudge I guess.
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FowlPlayChiken
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.07 23:52:00 -
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I just had veal cutlets, ala epicurian.
Ingredients: 1 pound veal scallops, pounded very thin, as for scaloppine 1/2 tsp. salt 1/8 tsp. freshly ground black pepper 1/3 cup unsifted all-purpose flour 3 extra-large eggs, lightly beaten 1 cup fine dry white bread crumbs 3 tblsps. clarified butter 3 tblsps. peanut or other vegetable oil 1 large lemon, thinly sliced
Directions: Preheat oven to 275 degrees. Halve any scallops that are large; sprinkle both sides of each piece with salt and pepper and let stand at room temperature 10 to 15 minutes. Place flour on a piece of waxed paper; put eggs in pie plate, and crumbs in another pie plate. Line up on counter near stove. Flour both sides of cutlets, dip in eggs, then in crumbs. Heat clarified butter and oil in heavy 12-inch skillet over moderately high heat about 2 minutes, or until a cube of bread sizzles in it. Brown half the breaded scallops quickly, about 3 minutes to a side. Remove to a shallow pan lined with paper toweling and set, uncovered, in the oven. Brown remaining half the same way. Serve at once with lemon slices. Serves 4. According to the authors, the hallmark of perfectly cooked Wiener Schnitzel is a crumb coating that's crisp and brown, yet doesn't stick to the meat(you should be able to slide a table knife between the two). The trick is to bread the meat just before you cook it, they claim.
BTW Siv, a jihad of chikendom upon yer recipe!BAWK!
http://nhimebaugh.wetpaint.com/ Just podded this sig, now where is my toy? - Wrangler
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James 315
Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.08 00:08:00 -
[110]
"Hire" the Mercenary Coalition to attack BoB? Wouldn't that be like trying to hire Xelas, Fix, or Dice?
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Horobi Redwing
Caldari Unquestionable Prosperity
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Posted - 2007.05.08 00:09:00 -
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as in other threads MC tells again about that no offers has been made and so on....
but what you MC forget if that a merc takes contracts after price and it became well known you do good and bad prices depending on customer.
so its obvious that no one thinks about paying you for anything BoB would just overpay and you will never see 1 isk back for maybe 0% service
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Dash Ripcock
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.08 01:34:00 -
[112]
Originally by: El Yatta
Originally by: Banlish
There isn't just ONE way to classify a merc. classes etc
I have to say that I dont really agree with much of this...
I kind of skimmed and focused on the OB parts. Consider my opinion of the post officially nonsensical!
Outbreak - The Movie
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Acidictadpole
Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.08 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Felxia MC will never be true mercs.
I think the definition of Mercenary has skipped over a lot of peoples heads recently. I've checked a few sources and they all say "private gain" rather than "financial" gain.
The thing to realise is that an alliance with BoB at this point (or at least not fighting against them) could be more valuable than any amount of isk offered at this time. So I wish to correct the person I quoted, since you don't know the reasoning behind MC not wanting to take a contract against BoB and I'm sure they have a decent enough reason for themselves. And I don't really care enough to try and figure out what's going on inside a Mercenary's head so yea..
They have some financial gain from sticking with their decision, speculate all you guys want: BoB Alts, Close friends, whatever you want. But their end reasoning behind their current decision obviously gives them more of a gain than isk from the coalition can right now.
For a good"ish" source, check wikipedia for mercenary.
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Kerdrak
Amarr 3B Legio IX Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.05.08 05:54:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Kerdrak on 08/05/2007 05:50:38
FLA don't need MC... They can beat them:
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6544/flatacticsbe1.jpg ________________________________________ First atheist amarr on EVE |
VinceNoir
Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.08 06:26:00 -
[115]
I personally enjoy a Chunk Buford Sammich.
Originally by: Asylum Seaker 17.8 Mil damage done, 15 mil lost? More **** than that goes down every time I jump through a gate. Go fight a real war. |
Slinktress
Gallente legion of qui Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.08 08:37:00 -
[116]
Mmmkay, very interesting. Thank you for the helpful responses, like how to format a request to a merc corp/alliance. I was honestly curious to revisit this topic a couple months later in what I hoped to be a more respectful format. It's helpful to get different points of view on matters by using open forums.
MC have evolved into something different; well, times have changed. We can all appreciate that. I am happy to see them reach beyond the normal murder for hire, despite them killing us loads There's a different purpose, and likely to them a clearer purpose. I think I was right that MC never considered themselves Keepers of EVE to maintain balance in the universe. It was others that saw them as such.
So, now we have a new MC, I'm a little unclear on if they're available for hire anytime soon, but likely a moot point if we can no longer mortgage our outpost. But, I will take the other good advice in the future and google for their forums.
This has spawned an idea for a corporation too. An agent business for the purpose of negotiating with Merc corps/alliances. Mercs looking for groups. Lost souls looking for mercs. One-stop shopping!
Best wishes to all sharing this universe, and may peace and balance be found soon.
Cheers o/
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Grimster
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.08 11:05:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Slinktress This has spawned an idea for a corporation too. An agent business for the purpose of negotiating with Merc corps/alliances. Mercs looking for contracts. Lost souls looking for mercs. One-stop shopping!
An interesting proposition, but like most internet savvy shoppers - surely they'll go directly to the organ grinder rather than the monkey?
I would anyway, especially as there's a sticky somewhere purely regarding Merc corps, their services and contacts.
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Angor
The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.08 14:03:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Dash Ripcock
Originally by: Banlish
Oh for pete's sake...
Class B These are the mercs that are really starting to make a name for themselves and have been working in certain sectors of EVE for months if not years Many people associated Outbreak with working in the north for instance However these mercs can take AND recieve a pounding without shattering. Mercs in this class can take almost horrendous losses in a battle and they still have good replacements stashed elsewhere and can come back, meaner and ready for payback.
Class A These mercs are known by almost everyone, by name at the very least. Or by the fact that along some of their careers they've faced these mercs and know how good they are. (Example: I've only been in EVE for around 20 months but I've fought against Burn Eden, Outbreak, Veto, KIA and MC. Why? Because they take contracts almost anywhere and are willing to travel to setup a new offensive) On top of that, these kinds of mercs deploy all kinds of crazy gear that even some corps cannot deploy. Large groups of capitals, super capitals, full tech 2 fleets, etc. They can bring the fight, and some bring it 23/7 or until the contract lapses. They also hold their contract as an unbreakable bond, they won't dishonor the spirt of the contract.
That's a nice post Banlish, just one minor detail. Outbreak aren't mercenaries. Nobody hires us. We either want in on a fight or we don't. No discredit to your original post as it's excellent.
Umm, really? So when you guys came to help us out in YM- you were doing it for free, just for the fun of it? I always thought you were being paid to help us. I'm quite amazed to find out you sacrifice ships for nothing, you must be being bank rolled somehow? Also, why are you helping Ushar Kahn if your not being paid, do you just hate CVA or something? Anyway credit to you if this is infact true. _______________________________ Who the f*k stole my sig... |
Lilan Kahn
Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.08 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Angor
Originally by: Dash Ripcock
Originally by: Banlish
Oh for pete's sake...
Class B These are the mercs that are really starting to make a name for themselves and have been working in certain sectors of EVE for months if not years Many people associated Outbreak with working in the north for instance However these mercs can take AND recieve a pounding without shattering. Mercs in this class can take almost horrendous losses in a battle and they still have good replacements stashed elsewhere and can come back, meaner and ready for payback.
Class A These mercs are known by almost everyone, by name at the very least. Or by the fact that along some of their careers they've faced these mercs and know how good they are. (Example: I've only been in EVE for around 20 months but I've fought against Burn Eden, Outbreak, Veto, KIA and MC. Why? Because they take contracts almost anywhere and are willing to travel to setup a new offensive) On top of that, these kinds of mercs deploy all kinds of crazy gear that even some corps cannot deploy. Large groups of capitals, super capitals, full tech 2 fleets, etc. They can bring the fight, and some bring it 23/7 or until the contract lapses. They also hold their contract as an unbreakable bond, they won't dishonor the spirt of the contract.
That's a nice post Banlish, just one minor detail. Outbreak aren't mercenaries. Nobody hires us. We either want in on a fight or we don't. No discredit to your original post as it's excellent.
Umm, really? So when you guys came to help us out in YM- you were doing it for free, just for the fun of it? I always thought you were being paid to help us. I'm quite amazed to find out you sacrifice ships for nothing, you must be being bank rolled somehow? Also, why are you helping Ushar Kahn if your not being paid, do you just hate CVA or something? Anyway credit to you if this is infact true.
Outbreaks whants fights, big conflicts = fights.
what so hard to under stand
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Egne Ver
Caldari The Reckoning
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Posted - 2007.05.08 17:15:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Kerdrak Edited by: Kerdrak on 08/05/2007 05:50:38
FLA don't need MC... They can beat them:
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/6544/flatacticsbe1.jpg
Ahh... thats right you can post stuff from anyones forums except BOD's too I forgot.
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