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Tomas Ysidro Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.14 22:29:00 - [631] Dog kicking is serious business(tm) and shall not be tolerated! Anyways, posting in an epic thread.
Oro Sarmasa Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.14 22:32:00 - [632] Originally by: Tomas Ysidro Dog kicking is serious business(tm) and shall not be tolerated! Anyways, posting in an epic thread. Epic thread? Does that mean if we all band up, and collectively flame the OP for several-minute stretches until he falls over, we can then loot his forum corpse and see who has enough DKP to loot his magic shoes? (WoW is poison for the soul, kids!)
Niobe Farstar Synergetic Tactics SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.14 22:36:00 - [633] Originally by: Dianabolic I play eve so I can be free of the usual expectations and responsibilities of the real world, Crean, I think that's a point you miss quite spectacularly. The day I feel "responsible" for actions I commit in a VIRTUAL world is, I reckon, the day I will believe I'm taking it waaaaaaay too seriously, don't you? Haven't you gone to war in Eve in the past on the grounds that people should be held responsible for their actions in a virtual world?
Oro Sarmasa Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.14 22:43:00 - [634] Originally by: Niobe Farstar Originally by: Dianabolic I play eve so I can be free of the usual expectations and responsibilities of the real world, Crean, I think that's a point you miss quite spectacularly. The day I feel "responsible" for actions I commit in a VIRTUAL world is, I reckon, the day I will believe I'm taking it waaaaaaay too seriously, don't you? Haven't you gone to war in Eve in the past on the grounds that people should be held responsible for their actions in a virtual world? Didn't you get the memo? If you join BoB, or are a bobbit, you get a BPO for get-out-of-hypocrisy-free cards.
Kin Hanyerec TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.05.14 23:01:00 - [635] Gratz
Invidious Malinigvious Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 23:07:00 - [636] Originally by: Oro Sarmasa Originally by: Dianabolic We, as an alliance, do all of those things, purely because if one does it it transposes on to the rest of us. We can either kick them, or fly with them. Our choices make us who we are and if you think pulling apart out comments, when made as individuals, will do anything but make us laugh at your inferiority (that's a collective statement) then yep, you think we take it too seriously. Never mind, hey? Oh noes! I am inferior to Dianabolic in the EVE (meta)game! I guess I could compensate some other way, since he holds the monopoly on his brand of epeen. Like buying a very large vehicle with poor gas mileage, or playing rap music really loud with the windows down. Or kicking my dog. Why is that the loser(s) always need to resort to RL analogies? That is one of the greatest questions in the universe.
Topaz Skydiver Minmatar Narrative Freshfood	Posted - 2007.05.14 23:08:00 - [637] Edited by: Topaz Skydiver on 14/05/2007 23:07:57 Since the mods are maybe too occupied to restore my post that's what I replied: 'When the war began, the outcome of the war was far from certain. It didn't look at all that the coalition will be the underdog in this. The coalition thought themselves that they will win this easily. The Southern coalition was bragging for months that they will rollover BoB after LV is dead. They said this before the t20 incident. Despite the whole north and east engaging BoB and despite LV dying, some corps and alliances picked BoBs side or were already on that side anyway. Some coalition guys posted stuff directed to the 'pets' like: 'You have made your bed, now you must lie in it.' And this is going to happen now. Don't cry that people don't switch sides now ! It's fair game. It didn't look good for BoB, when the coalition overran LV and BoB was forced back home. At that time BoBs allies stayed with BoB although it didn't look good and fought for that side. In short: In the beginning of the war the odds looked good for the coalition, now not so good, because BoB's side is organized and the other side not and now the coaltion starts to whine at BoB allies, because it looks like BoBs side is winning.' ( Now feel free to mail the mods again to snip my post, but sorry, it was and is within the rules and my opinion still stands. Thank the 'mailer' that it's out of context now, don't care. lol. ) --------------------------------------------- Narrative Freshfood isn't a NPC corp ... lol
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.05.14 23:56:00 - [638] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Crean NaVar Originally by: Dianabolic Now, don't hate the player, hate the game, hey? Yeah, god forbid you ever have to take responsibility for your actions. I think we got that point by now. I play eve so I can be free of the usual expectations and responsibilities of the real world, Crean, I think that's a point you miss quite spectacularly. The day I feel "responsible" for actions I commit in a VIRTUAL world is, I reckon, the day I will believe I'm taking it waaaaaaay too seriously, don't you? Weak argument. This is indeed game. But you are interacting with real people. I heard you in fraps recording, when BoB forces took down Cyvok and if you are taking game so easy, why your voice was trembling in that episode ?
Evelgrivion Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.15 00:16:00 - [639] Originally by: Evil Thug Weak argument. This is indeed game. But you are interacting with real people. I heard you in fraps recording, when BoB forces took down Cyvok and if you are taking game so easy, why your voice was trembling in that episode ? Because a great moment in a game is one that gets your blood flowing and the adrenaline pumping This isn't the signature you're looking for.
Sangidava Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.05.15 00:25:00 - [640] Edited by: Sangidava on 15/05/2007 00:23:35
Galactic Overlord CAOD Corp	Posted - 2007.05.15 07:45:00 - [641] Hmm can't let BoB getting faced slip to page two. Stick it to 'em caliente, fact hits propaganda wrecking for lots of forum damage!
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.15 08:27:00 - [642] Originally by: Evil Thug Weak argument. This is indeed game. But you are interacting with real people. I heard you in fraps recording, when BoB forces took down Cyvok and if you are taking game so easy, why your voice was trembling in that episode ? That's what adrenaline does, ET, that's why I love the game - you've never trembled in eve? Your hands have never shook? Then, I have sympathy for you, because that feeling, or the search of it, is what keeps me playing. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Drakma Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.05.15 08:32:00 - [643] Edited by: Drakma on 15/05/2007 08:35:20 Edited by: Drakma on 15/05/2007 08:31:20 Originally by: Tomas Ysidro Dog kicking is serious business(tm) and shall not be tolerated! Anyways, posting in an epic thread. The only thing epic about this thread is the height that the ** is being stacked... Quote:** Why is that the loser(s) always need to resort to RL analogies? That is one of the greatest questions in the universe. I think an even greater question is, "how can you breath with all that verbal diahrea coming out of your mouth?"
Silinary Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.15 08:51:00 - [644] Intersting. It amuses me that there is a strong possibility that had most of the "Allies" been left alone ... they wouldn't be involved at all. Instead, it seemed the coalition wanted a scorched earth policy hitting everyone, and forcing everyone to be involved whether they wanted to be, or not. Oh thats right ... we were just being "liberated" as I believe it was. (That came form Pure. ... not sure who else fell in line with that line of thought) No matter how fast you turn your head, you'll never even catch a glimpse of what is going on around you...
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.15 08:56:00 - [645] Originally by: Silinary Intersting. It amuses me that there is a strong possibility that had most of the "Allies" been left alone ... they wouldn't be involved at all. Instead, it seemed the coalition wanted a scorched earth policy hitting everyone, and forcing everyone to be involved whether they wanted to be, or not. Oh thats right ... we were just being "liberated" as I believe it was. (That came form Pure. ... not sure who else fell in line with that line of thought) I do remember thinking at the time, surely those alliances would rather be able to claim independence than rely on someone else to hold their stations and set their standings? The Americans might have been much better off under English rule, even if they had to pay a few measly taxes. Yet they chose independence. I know, I know, reallife analogies are bad, but still, I took that desire for independence as a part of human nature, game or no game. Guess I was wrong. signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected])
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.15 09:08:00 - [646] Originally by: Avon On a slightly related note, I still haven't seen anyone provide the link or evidence I asked for about the system cap in F-T. Shame that such a claim can take such a firm hold in "popular culture" without proof to back it up. Avon, I don't think anyone outside CCP really know for sure what went on in F-TE1T, but my best guess I've posted here (last half of post). Coming from a client-server background, this is the most plausible theory I can come up with, especially since local in F-TE1T never exceeded 550 according to people who were there (I was lagged out in the next system and couldn't get in either). It doesn't seem plausible that there were any fundamental game mechanics changed between JV1V and F-TE1T, given the information available, but what WAS probably changed was CCP fixing the bugs that made JV1V crash the node! My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.15 09:21:00 - [647] Originally by: Tzrailasa Edited by: Tzrailasa on 15/05/2007 09:07:09 Originally by: Avon On a slightly related note, I still haven't seen anyone provide the link or evidence I asked for about the system cap in F-T. Shame that such a claim can take such a firm hold in "popular culture" without proof to back it up. Avon, I don't think anyone outside CCP really know for sure what went on in F-TE1T, but my best guess I've posted here (last half of post). Coming from a client-server background, this is the most plausible theory I can come up with, especially since local in F-TE1T never exceeded 550 according to people who were there (I was lagged out in the next system and couldn't get in either). It doesn't seem plausible that there were any fundamental game mechanics changed between JV1V and F-TE1T, given the information available, but what WAS probably changed was CCP fixing the bugs that made JV1V crash the node! IIRC, they did quite a bit of testing afterwards on the test server to find them... The main reason as far as I can determine is that people assume this cap was put in place was the fact that the Coalition support fleet was apparently unable to be jumped into the system since it was 'full'. Which means a cap existed, though I guess we will never know how high that cap exactly was. The reason people distrust BoB on this is the fact you only put 200 in the system, which could be indicative of 2 things: - Either you knew of the rather low cap and used it to cut off part of the Coalition fleet without support in order to kill it. - Or you were afraid of the nodecrash and subsequent jumpin of hostiles taking over the system like JV, making you unable to login. Thus you decided to leave main forces outside, so in the event of a nodecrash you could also take advantage of the fact people jumping in get priority over those logging in. The second seems plausible enough, except for the fact that you put all your caps inside the system. If the system had crashed, your capitals would have been stuck unable to login. - A third possibility would have been for you to expect to be able to prevent the node from crashing by only putting in a minimal amount of people, and thus only your capfleet. However this would also have the flaw that you knew your enemy had ample numbers to crash the system all by themselves, even without any BoB or ally present. From all that, and some previous 'episodes' which cast doubt on the close relationship between CCP and BoB, I don't think people considering this a CCP-sponsored victory are completely crazy. It may or may not be correct (I don't know), but reasonable deduction leaves it as a possibily IMO. Note that despite the cap-loss and whatever was or was not cooking in that POS, I still consider F-T a huge success for the Coalition. It was THE OPERATION where all of the Northern and Eastern Coalition partners worked together. Had they continued to do so in the aftermath, the map would not have been what it is today. signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected])
R0ot InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 09:24:00 - [648] Originally by: Malachon Draco If the system had crashed, your capitals would have been stuck unable to login. Your forgetting to mention that the coalition capitals would have been stuck in the same boat, so it would have been support fleet jumping in from both Factions and then the capitals inside getting lucky to log in, since neither sides capitals would get priority over the others on log in. ------------------------------------------------------------------
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.15 09:44:00 - [649] Originally by: R0ot Originally by: Malachon Draco If the system had crashed, your capitals would have been stuck unable to login. Your forgetting to mention that the coalition capitals would have been stuck in the same boat, so it would have been support fleet jumping in from both Factions and then the capitals inside getting lucky to log in, since neither sides capitals would get priority over the others on log in. Well, unless the Coalition would have used, say, the same tactic as in LV? Jump in all the small ships, wait for nodecrash, then jump in capitals. It was their 'MO' so to speak wasn't it? At least, I think that was what LV complained about. signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected])
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.15 09:47:00 - [650] Originally by: Malachon Draco The reason people distrust BoB on this is the fact you only put 200 in the system, which could be indicative of 2 things: - Either you knew of the rather low cap and used it to cut off part of the Coalition fleet without support in order to kill it. - Or you were afraid of the nodecrash and subsequent jumpin of hostiles taking over the system like JV, making you unable to login. Thus you decided to leave main forces outside, so in the event of a nodecrash you could also take advantage of the fact people jumping in get priority over those logging in. If you remember the battle report, the Alliance set up a defence in depth designed to separate the Coalition cap ships from the bulk of their support which is what happened.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.15 09:56:00 - [651] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Malachon Draco The reason people distrust BoB on this is the fact you only put 200 in the system, which could be indicative of 2 things: - Either you knew of the rather low cap and used it to cut off part of the Coalition fleet without support in order to kill it. - Or you were afraid of the nodecrash and subsequent jumpin of hostiles taking over the system like JV, making you unable to login. Thus you decided to leave main forces outside, so in the event of a nodecrash you could also take advantage of the fact people jumping in get priority over those logging in. If you remember the battle report, the Alliance set up a defence in depth designed to separate the Coalition cap ships from the bulk of their support which is what happened. A titan jumpbridge can easily nullify that tactic, I would assume BoB takes such things into account. I am not saying what went on there was cheating. I do not know. All I can say is that with regards to the strategies employed by BoB, with their knowledge of what assets were arrayed against them, their strategy could very well have backfired immensely and would have if the Coalition has been able to jumpbridge its support in (and probably crash the node). So from that point of view, all I can say is that I find BoBs strategy strange, and the possibility they knew about a cap to the numbers to prevent the system from crashing a realistic one. Not a fact, but a realistic possibility. signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected])
R0ot InNova Tech Inc Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:06:00 - [652] Originally by: Malachon Draco Well, unless the Coalition would have used, say, the same tactic as in LV? Jump in all the small ships, wait for nodecrash, then jump in capitals. It was their 'MO' so to speak wasn't it? At least, I think that was what LV complained about. Well forgetting what I said and just going with the above in mind, which would be better allow one side to intentionally crash a node in other to win or cap a system at a certain number (which even by what you said bob had 200) if the cap was 500 so to speak that would still give a 3:2 advantage in the coalition favor. ------------------------------------------------------------------
Juan Andalusian TAOSP Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:07:00 - [653] Originally by: Malachon Draco Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Malachon Draco The reason people distrust BoB on this is the fact you only put 200 in the system, which could be indicative of 2 things: - Either you knew of the rather low cap and used it to cut off part of the Coalition fleet without support in order to kill it. - Or you were afraid of the nodecrash and subsequent jumpin of hostiles taking over the system like JV, making you unable to login. Thus you decided to leave main forces outside, so in the event of a nodecrash you could also take advantage of the fact people jumping in get priority over those logging in. If you remember the battle report, the Alliance set up a defence in depth designed to separate the Coalition cap ships from the bulk of their support which is what happened. A titan jumpbridge can easily nullify that tactic, I would assume BoB takes such things into account. I am not saying what went on there was cheating. I do not know. All I can say is that with regards to the strategies employed by BoB, with their knowledge of what assets were arrayed against them, their strategy could very well have backfired immensely and would have if the Coalition has been able to jumpbridge its support in (and probably crash the node). So from that point of view, all I can say is that I find BoBs strategy strange, and the possibility they knew about a cap to the numbers to prevent the system from crashing a realistic one. Not a fact, but a realistic possibility. 1) We knew from experience, having used jumpbridges more than anyone around, that the lag and delays from jumpbridging **loads of people are far worse for the people attempting to come in. We also knew that getting normal jumps via the gates would cause a lot more lag than any bridge would, hence why the support fleets were in the surrounding systems holding em. 2) Jumpbridged ships don't appear cloaked btw. Even if they had managed to bring in proper ammounts they would have been DDed. No doomsday was needed in F-T as events unfolded but we had 2 Titans at the ready as we were expecting a flood of both Capital and support ships. Pain is meant to be felt**
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:21:00 - [654] Originally by: R0ot Originally by: Malachon Draco Well, unless the Coalition would have used, say, the same tactic as in LV? Jump in all the small ships, wait for nodecrash, then jump in capitals. It was their 'MO' so to speak wasn't it? At least, I think that was what LV complained about. Well forgetting what I said and just going with the above in mind, which would be better allow one side to intentionally crash a node in other to win or cap a system at a certain number (which even by what you said bob had 200) if the cap was 500 so to speak that would still give a 3:2 advantage in the coalition favor. I am not passing judgement here or even claiming to know who knew what. I am just saying that the tactic used by BoB was surprising considering the numbers and types of ships arrayed agains them, and could SUGGEST (note: suggest is nowhere near the same as prove) that they knew about the cap. Perhaps there are other explanations, but dismissing the people who claim a hack out of hand is not smart IMO, nor a way to increase your credibility. A more detailed explanation as to the how and why of BoBs strategy could have gone a long way to explaining why it wasn't a CCP assisted victory according to BoB. signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected])
V4MPIRELLA ANATOLIA WOLF	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:26:00 - [655] Originally by: Silinary Intersting. It amuses me that there is a strong possibility that had most of the "Allies" been left alone ... they wouldn't be involved at all. Instead, it seemed the coalition wanted a scorched earth policy hitting everyone, and forcing everyone to be involved whether they wanted to be, or not. Oh thats right ... we were just being "liberated" as I believe it was. (That came form Pure. ... not sure who else fell in line with that line of thought) Can you explain me how can you talk about being "liberated" while you are paying monthly ransom to your overlord and being called 'pet' by them aswell ?
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:29:00 - [656] Originally by: V4MPIRELLA Originally by: Silinary Intersting. It amuses me that there is a strong possibility that had most of the "Allies" been left alone ... they wouldn't be involved at all. Instead, it seemed the coalition wanted a scorched earth policy hitting everyone, and forcing everyone to be involved whether they wanted to be, or not. Oh thats right ... we were just being "liberated" as I believe it was. (That came form Pure. ... not sure who else fell in line with that line of thought) Can you explain me how can you talk about being "liberated" while you are paying monthly ransom to your overlord and being called 'pet' by them aswell ? FIX / Xelas / Aftermath and a few other entities dont' pay rent, contrary to popular belief.
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:35:00 - [657] Originally by: DeadDuck Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists well d2 has 2 motherships and a titan, i think mc is using 2 motherships themselves, with the help of a bob titan? unfortunately tho d2 uses its titan to camp in lowsec.. its not about sp or isk or how long uve been int he game, its what you make out of it. MC is using 2 MS ???!!!! D2 Titan camping low sec systems ???!!! Well better check our KB !!! Your lack of information only shows how much BOB has been involved in the Northern War... Only just seen this bit but it might have been pointed out already but D2 have not used their titan in low sec, for the most part it has been in the action although most of the time by itself. However i'm sure members of FIRMA and DKOD can confirm D2's motherships of the wyvern class are normally seen in M-O and the surrounding low sec areas. Deadduck just look at your own killboard and your alliance members comments. I think that's what Rexthor Hammerfists meant rather than your titan.
Cedart Gallente Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:36:00 - [658] Originally by: Malachon Draco I do remember thinking at the time, surely those alliances would rather be able to claim independence than rely on someone else to hold their stations and set their standings? The Americans might have been much better off under English rule, even if they had to pay a few measly taxes. Yet they chose independence. I know, I know, reallife analogies are bad, but still, I took that desire for independence as a part of human nature, game or no game. Guess I was wrong. That's an interesting viewpoint. Because i myself have been considering BoB and 'pets' more like a federation than an empire. Of course, i have no direct experience with them, but from reading the forums i got the impression that majority of the 'pets' chose to become one themselves. I would presume they chose so after considering all possible options, and they decided for whatever reason that BoBs offer was best for them. And as such decision shows that they consider BoB to be trustworthy, i would except it to take considerably more effort than just saying to them "But you can be free if you join us!" to turn them against BoB.
Trind2222 Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:39:00 - [659] Edited by: Trind2222 on 15/05/2007 10:36:47 Bob saw they came and you know rest whel done BOB
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.15 10:51:00 - [660] Originally by: Etho Demerzel Originally by: Pepperami Etho, I'm glad you're choosing to "go out" of moa by doing your upmost to drag their name(your friends??) through the dirt and cause as many problems as you can. A real insight to your way of thinking. Smack me, call me whatever. You've shown your true colours and are now being ejected. In future I'll give you some advice Cyberian Ragnos > Whoever is not satisfied can and should leave whatever dissatisfies them No wait, that's your own. Troll on. Kid, a few things: First, nobody drags other people name through the dirty or "make them look like idiots" - Pepperami. That is something only you can do to yourself, and you are quite good at it. You lost the reason of your argument the moment you started to smack me here in this forum. And it was a very bad tasted, low and childish smack I should say. Like a children throwing a tantrum because someone got his toy. Second, I am sure most of MoA think you are the idiot here. And ironically I had nothing to do with it. Your moronic decisions, demands and authoritarism where the things that lead them to it. I am "glad" you are showing your colors here. Maybe someday you will be accepted into BoB. You certainly are their material. The troll here is you. You decided to invade this thread to make low personal attacks against me. Now take the heat, little peppy. Don't flame if you cannot take the flames. You sir are a total hypocrite here and pardon me a tool as well. I am not sure what pepp's title in COW alliance but i am sure he is an offical speacker so basicly your contradicting and smacking your own alliance offical spokesman. The following facts can be deducted: - You dont like COW but your too chicken to tell your own opinon and you just stick there coz your enjoing either the alliance ticker or what ever benefits. - If above is false then ok , u dissagree with your alliance leadership but u lack the intelligence to address it in proper channels and just come on PUBLIC forums and smack like a rabid moron insulting ur own ppl. - Yes you can make you corp or alliance look like idiots when u keep doing stupid stuff like posting crap or publicly insult them or smack them. Such selfish behaviour just express how you aint a team player and perfer to have ur epeen b4 ur own alliance best intrest . In short the faster you get booted or leave the better for COW sicne they do have fine corps and fine ppl and its a shame to see them have such smacktards in their ranks. http://www.killboard.net/sigs/Yazoul Samaiel/mini_red/sig.gif http://www.killboard.net/sigs/War Khan/mini_blue/sig.gif [violet]Sigs linked. Please choose only one (1) to use as as your graphic.

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