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Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.14 10:51:00 - [91] Occasus - best post of the thread. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.14 10:57:00 - [92] Originally by: Rodj Blake Occasus - best post of the thread. I second that motion (you arrogant amarrian pigdog ) Now Recruiting
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.14 10:58:00 - [93] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal I was under the mistaken impression the war between CVA and Ushra'Khan was over ideals. This leads me to question why the mighty servants of the Amarr Empire, whom I've fought with before, are asking for aid from the likes of IAC against a numerically inferior force. It also makes me wonder why the Ushra'Khan waste time targetting some production facilities, when you should be aiming for their pride & willpower. And surely, the involvement of so many outsiders dilutes the victory. How can you possibly instill fear in one another? How do you propose to inspire members, when your backbone is on mail order? Things were a lot better when the Amarr had an Emperor, and the Minmatar were unloved. At this rate I'm not sure what to think, when all I see is another faceless sovereignty war. You might as well merge and form a Providence superpower, since that is all you want. My dear Arenis, perhaps you underestimate the sheer destructive power of some of these inferior race forces brought to bear on the Amarr of Providence ? There is no dishonor in bringing sufficient force to counter a threat to the Empire's interests, CVA was clearly outgunned by the addition of 0utbreak to the terrorist's menageri and they would've been severely neglectful of their duties not to do whatever was in their power to rectify the situation. CVA did not request IAC assistance until they felt they needed it, personally I would have called for backup a lot sooner in their position, but then I've never been shy to call in backup. http://eve.klaki.net/
Ace101 Dark Knights of Deneb	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:10:00 - [94] Lag sucks tbh lol, you cant teach an old dog new smak ey butters?
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:17:00 - [95] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal I was under the mistaken impression the war between CVA and Ushra'Khan was over ideals. This leads me to question why the mighty servants of the Amarr Empire, whom I've fought with before, are asking for aid from the likes of IAC against a numerically inferior force. It also makes me wonder why the Ushra'Khan waste time targetting some production facilities, when you should be aiming for their pride & willpower. And surely, the involvement of so many outsiders dilutes the victory. How can you possibly instill fear in one another? How do you propose to inspire members, when your backbone is on mail order? Things were a lot better when the Amarr had an Emperor, and the Minmatar were unloved. At this rate I'm not sure what to think, when all I see is another faceless sovereignty war. You might as well merge and form a Providence superpower, since that is all you want. I'd say you are right to say it is over ideals but somewhat wrong in your assumption that attacking the CVA shipyard was about territory. We attacked a Capital Ship yard, in their home system, when the week before they'd launched an all out assault on our home system... For an enemy that CVA have considered severely weakened after QR- I think that was fairly clear cut a morale hit on CVA. I'm sure the fact that on top of a CVA offensive being utterly derailed, CVA cap ships actually dying in combat to U'K and friends, the way that we managed to actually threaten a systems soverignty and killed their shipyard has got to start to raise a couple doubts in CVA's rank and file. I feel you really don't understand this conflict if you honestly think this is all about territory. I have no doubt that if we were ever able to knock the CVA back to empire, they would regroup, bide their time and then launch a counter offensive on us. It is afterall what i'd do if they ever did it to us. CVA will never have an easy time of it in providence or anywhere, thats the fun of this war :) Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Gegi Wau Minmatar Liberty Labs	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:18:00 - [96] Occasus, very nice post. It made me regret some of the smackier comments I posted earlier. In the end, it's just a game - albeit a game that a lot of us (myself included) sometimes take a little too seriously. Still, a "good fight" from our adversaries would have been nice, but meh. AMARRES EUNT DOMUS
Kade Jeekin Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:21:00 - [97] Unlike others I aim to completely destroy the Amarran paramilitaries using the game mechanics without using metagaming. Is a challenge and will probably keep me in EVE for a good while yet. As to flying with Outbreak, Evoke, EST, ENH, Chaos and BUM - none of these guys metagame and UK have always respected their PVP abilities. It is an honour to have them leading and participating in operations with us. I hope we can teach them a thing or two too. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:24:00 - [98] Originally by: Mindlles Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk We lost 5 and went to help CVA afterwards with a gang of 60, but as it turned out they didn't need any help. I guess U'K are completely incapable of accomplishing anything without daddy 0utbreak there holding your hand? We are one little corp between u big bad alliancens, being a daddy is hardly right to put it ;) Well calling outbreak little corp is for sure.. very far from true. If something is true , is that outbreak deserve the respect on the field as any of the powerfull alliances. Asking for help when you are under attack by powerfull and experienced guys like outbreak and evoke is nothing to ashame. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
master bates Amarr Smoking Hillbillys The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:31:00 - [99] Originally by: Tareen Kashaar Originally by: master bates I do think cva had spies in their channels tho tbh as myself as fc was primaried instantly in my apoc even tho there were 2 scorps in my gang which seemed very unusual and made us suspicious I think it might have more to do with your catchy name actually I wasn't there but was listening in on vent, and it was hard not to laugh at the names of the primaries called catchy names ftw altho actually now that I think about it I always get primaried
Lowanaera Amarr Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:04:00 - [100] Edited by: Lowanaera on 14/05/2007 15:04:03 Originally by: Arenis Xemdal I was under the mistaken impression the war between CVA and Ushra'Khan was over ideals. This leads me to question why the mighty servants of the Amarr Empire, whom I've fought with before, are asking for aid from the likes of IAC against a numerically inferior force. To clarify, as I haven't seen this point addressed, the U'K bloc is by far not the numerically inferior force. In nearly every single engagement, they have outnumbered us in both raw pilots and (usually significantly thanks to Evoke and Outbreak) especially T2 snipers. They additionally have the ability to field 4 supercapitals, and a larger number of conventional capitals. Saturday's defense of X-R was the first time we had more pilots on the field (thanks in no small part due to the 50 IAC there), but we again were badly outnumbered in available snipers, especially after we lost most of ours due to the server lag and failure to load the grid as the enemy jumped into system. Evoke also wasn't present at that engagement. Calling U'K a numerically inferior force would be accurate were we only fighting U'K, but as pointed out many times, U'K often make up a minority of the total hostile force, and we have to contend with BUM, ENH, CI, EST, Evoke, and Outbreak.
Calypso's Wrath Caldari Black Watch Legionnaires	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:10:00 - [101] I for one would like to thank CVA (/NOS/Northstar/whoever else was red) for sending the aforementioned ôre-enforcementsö through the Misaba gate in R3 û one at a time. That was the bestest gate camp ever! Loot re-distribution was profitable. It was really weird to see the Star Fraction group jump into R3, and 20mins later show up. UK my friends, good job BWL is proud to support you o/ Slavers must die.
Jason Marshall Hammer Of Light	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:14:00 - [102] I would like to thank all of the reds in local keping the atomosphere light and fun. Saw some old friends, and was able to re-enforce my postition on the whole CVA UK conflict. See you in 9u. Tacky Lensflares in sigs ftw
Jason Marshall Hammer Of Light	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:27:00 - [103] UK can claim a battle victory here, but when was the last time you captured an outpost? And maybe concesntraiting on the hostile outpost a mere 2 jumps from your beloved UNITY Station. Either way....i managed to aquire some slaves through this conflict. The number of survivors that came off of that destroyed dreadnaught, is going to keep my cattle farm working to capacity for a long time. And for the surplus... Convo me for prices. Tacky Lensflares in sigs ftw
Calypso's Wrath Caldari Black Watch Legionnaires	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:45:00 - [104] Originally by: Jason Marshall UK can claim a battle victory here, but when was the last time you captured an outpost? And maybe concesntraiting on the hostile outpost a mere 2 jumps from your beloved UNITY Station. Either way....i managed to aquire some slaves through this conflict. The number of survivors that came off of that destroyed dreadnaught, is going to keep my cattle farm working to capacity for a long time. And for the surplus... Convo me for prices. Your on my list of people to visit. Please get in your really shiny ship (with your faction mods) and go wander Providance, Please kthx
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.14 16:13:00 - [105] Originally by: James Lyrus Lag favours the defender (that would be you) - both sides face it, but the people with the prepared position start off stronger. Thank you for saying it before I did as I was trying to wrap my brain around their logic and how they were left out in the cold.
Rylet VanDorn Pastafarians Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.14 16:24:00 - [106] Originally by: Derran Originally by: James Lyrus Lag favours the defender (that would be you) - both sides face it, but the people with the prepared position start off stronger. Thank you for saying it before I did as I was trying to wrap my brain around their logic and how they were left out in the cold. If you read the CVA posts, though, it indicates their snipers failed to load the grid. IE: They were not in a prepared position. My assumption is that they were likely at a centralized location in the system, and then warped to the gate you were coming through once the info was relayed. Ultimately no-one seemed to be favored.
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.14 16:29:00 - [107] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk We lost 5 and went to help CVA afterwards with a gang of 60, but as it turned out they didn't need any help. I guess U'K are completely incapable of accomplishing anything without daddy 0utbreak there holding your hand? How come nothing that comes out of your mouth is not outrageously funny in its hypocracy?
Marko Debreault 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.14 17:30:00 - [108] Outbreak has been travelling all over EVE fighting people for just over a year now. We've seen a lot of factions, attitudes, styles of fighting, and wrecks. The CVA/UK conflict ranks pretty highly among them. It's fun and classy. As Eddie said, we tried to confuse the campers in X-R. When the UK + friends gang entered X6, Outbreak warped to G-B22J and jumped in. G-B has an X-R gate as well. We warped to the X-R gate in G-B22J as the UK gang was landing on the X-R gate in X6AB. We were spotted when we went into G-B22J, and CVA shifted the all CVA sniper fleet over to the G-B22J gate in X-R. However, when UK landed on the X-R gate, CVA shifted their snipers back to the X6AB gate. This ended up being a deciding factor in the fight. As soon as they left our gate we jumped in. We knew that they had just left, so if they decided to come back we had bought ourselves around a minute to MWD out of the large warp bubble on the other side. Furthermore, they would be leaving warp and unaligned when they came back, so we could kill at least our first three targets, if they came back in. Even though we were supposed to jump in at the same time as UK, as soon as the CVA guys left our gate we jumped in, because it was the thing to do. We aligned to the X6AB gate in X-R and concentrated on killing the bubble. Roughly 45 seconds after we jumped in UK jumped in, according to the chat logs I have. We killed our large warp bubble exactly 2 minutes after we started shooting it - I think we had a lot of module activation delay. Now I don't know this for sure, but it's my belief that the CVA sniper fleet lagged out when they warped back into the X6AB gate. If they had been there the whole time and had the grid loaded as UK jumped in, they might have slaughtered the incoming UK fleet. But since they warped down to intercept the OB fleet, and then warped back in, they were lagged out, and UK got a 'get out of jail free' card. So 2 minutes after Outbreak loaded grid at the G-B22J gate in X-R we gang warped to our covops who was positioned at the X6AB gate. Roughly 2 minutes after warping in I was able to start locking things. It took around 45 seconds to lock a battleship and another minute or two (or three?) to activate my guns. About halfway through the fight I started shooting the secondary target, since by the time my guns activated everyone else would be shooting him anyways. When we were planning the fight, I thought there was a good chance we were all going to die. So did all the UK guys ... memorable quotes such as "I'll tell everyone that its a suicide mission" are always good to hear from your allies. After the fight was done I think we shot a POS or something. It built character. I hate building character.
Tart Kovsky Khumatari Holdings Administration	Posted - 2007.05.14 17:44:00 - [109] Originally by: Marko Debreault After the fight was done I think we shot a POS or something. It built character. I hate building character. <3
Rylet VanDorn Pastafarians Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.14 17:58:00 - [110] As someone who wasn't there (which surprised me... I'm curious as to when this whole thing went down. I was online most of yesterday & didn't hear anything about it) I'd have to say I'm most disappointed with how much Lag/Client difficulties affect the outcome of what would otherwise be a good fight. Does anyone else think it's a bit ridiculous that we spend hours upon hours planning out strategy, communicating to the parties involved, and navigating into position in an attempt to minimize losses and win the day... only to have what should be a great battle end up decided by lag and coding limitations outside our control? As a member of an anti-pirate alliance I'm coming to realize why so many people resort to piracy; it's the safest, most unrestricted way to engage in pvp. You pick your fights, often taking targets unprepared, and you don't have to worry about lag or load issues rendering you completely useless. As for all the talk of the allies being "brought in" to fight... well, consider the region. CVA, NOS, and those that live in that section of the providence region operate on an NRDS, anti-piracy doctrine. Most are defensive in nature. Meaning that the only enemy targets we get are either A) Raiding parties, or B) Lone recons, both of which are really just looking to score an easy kill. They come in, look around for anyone mining/ratting, ambush and overwhelm those they find, and then leave. They never hang around, and because the defense is reactionary, it's never formed in time to catch the enemy. That being the case, I'm thankful whenever we're invited to join in on the fun of a fight. That's probably why so many people show up to the CVA/UK fights. You mean we get to actually engage someone that isn't a cloaked AFK recon or group of gankers who leave the area before an opposing force can be assembled? We're all over that! Unfortunately from everything I've read, fleet combat just seems to devolve into a contest of who's lagging the worst.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:11:00 - [111] Originally by: Ace101 Lag sucks tbh lol, you cant teach an old dog new smak ey butters? Hehe. You know it ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:16:00 - [112] I'm with Rylet on this one. This all happened on Saturday (PST) and yes.. the lag was a BEAST. We had a 28 member Gang of Mixed BS/BC/Support and got through the X-R3 Gate and camped it with another Friendly gang of mixed alliances. We were ready to keep the gate from the large Star Fraction gang we knew was around, but was asked to support CVA by going to a POS and then attempting to pick off snipers at the POS Seige. We went to do that and MY GOD.. the lag was INSANE. My ship appeared to arrive and thought I was at the wrong moon... no one was there... for... se...ver...al......minutes and then POP everyone was there and our targets having been there and had the grid loaded either warped off or pre-locked us as we couldn't lock them. ( THIS IS NOT A BASH OR A SPLOIT CRY, it's just the way it was). We lost several ships, but not the entire force. I survived somehow! =-) It should be noted throughout this entire engagement (like others) we had members lose connections on several different occasions. Also we were unable to lock and fire on ships due to lag as well. From there we waited until the Alliance Force Commanders needed us... and then as many of the CVA cap ship came in.... the UK/Friends force disappeared.. leaving only cloaker recons. U'K killed the POS with the ship yards, which from the look of it was their goal. CVA held the system, which from the looks of it was their only concern during the attack. Well done all! Aind See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:20:00 - [113] Am I the only one getting utterly bored of CVA moaning about lag? You started a territorial POS war, what the hell did you expect? We were all happy in roaming gangs unless you escalated things. You reap what you sow ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:34:00 - [114] Originally by: Butter Dog Am I the only one getting utterly bored of CVA moaning about lag? You started a territorial POS war, what the hell did you expect? We were all happy in roaming gangs unless you escalated things. You reap what you sow Please Read and Educate yourself. I am not saying this is the ONLY reason for the escalation or that it's a good one or whatever. The most recent POS Spamming/Territory war has been smouldering for awhile and these two Posts from the respective leaders of U'K and CVA show who did what first recently. U'K Declaration CVA Response Keep in mind it's less important who did what first, but that it's been DONE and now we suffer the LAG BEAST Even CCP is complaining about the LAG CCP's Thingie So yeah, there was lag.. it happened.. it sucked.. it's done.. Aind See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:44:00 - [115] Seiging an outpost is not quite the same thing, as pew pew-ing at some random mining POS. The style of this conflict has been dictated by CVA, no-one else. Had they not rolled into 9UY with 150 people 10 days ago, they would have no cause to complain about lag. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:53:00 - [116] Originally by: Butter Dog Seiging an outpost is not quite the same thing, as pew pew-ing at some random mining POS. The style of this conflict has been dictated by CVA, no-one else. Had they not rolled into 9UY with 150 people 10 days ago, they would have no cause to complain about lag. Nice Minimzing of the facts! LOL (this is not WAAAAAAA At U'K, I'm enjoying the fight ) U'K Dropped a POS in NOS Space and.. as you put it.. pew pew'd at a NOS POS... in an attempt to take it down. I can only assume to try and take Sov in the system otherwise.. why else? CVA chose a better target such as QR and did the same thing but succeeded in reponse to U'K trying to get a backdoor to CVA Space and cutting off an Ally. The only difference is that they didn't succeed in their mission like CVA succeeded in QR. U'K would have been more than happy to take the QBL System if they could. I'm not trying to complain or play "TIT FOR TAT" on who started what. This is war and this is how it is. Both Alliances has outright explained who did what first, why are you arguing again? See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:56:00 - [117] The point I was making, is that I only see one side moaning about the lag - CVA. Ironic considering they escalated the conflict to Outpost seiges. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:11:00 - [118] Edited by: Aindrias on 14/05/2007 19:10:05 Originally by: Butter Dog The point I was making, is that I only see one side moaning about the lag - CVA. Ironic considering they escalated the conflict to Outpost seiges. U'K thought there was an Outpost or an OUtpost being built in QBL! READ THE ABOVE LINKS! edited for a mistake See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:28:00 - [119] Originally by: Marko Debreault Outbreak has been travelling all over EVE fighting people for just over a year now. We've seen a lot of factions, attitudes, styles of fighting, and wrecks. The CVA/UK conflict ranks pretty highly among them. It's fun and classy. As Eddie said, we tried to confuse the campers in X-R. When the UK + friends gang entered X6, Outbreak warped to G-B22J and jumped in. G-B has an X-R gate as well. We warped to the X-R gate in G-B22J as the UK gang was landing on the X-R gate in X6AB. We were spotted when we went into G-B22J, and CVA shifted the all CVA sniper fleet over to the G-B22J gate in X-R. However, when UK landed on the X-R gate, CVA shifted their snipers back to the X6AB gate. This ended up being a deciding factor in the fight. As soon as they left our gate we jumped in. We knew that they had just left, so if they decided to come back we had bought ourselves around a minute to MWD out of the large warp bubble on the other side. Furthermore, they would be leaving warp and unaligned when they came back, so we could kill at least our first three targets, if they came back in. Even though we were supposed to jump in at the same time as UK, as soon as the CVA guys left our gate we jumped in, because it was the thing to do. We aligned to the X6AB gate in X-R and concentrated on killing the bubble. Roughly 45 seconds after we jumped in UK jumped in, according to the chat logs I have. We killed our large warp bubble exactly 2 minutes after we started shooting it - I think we had a lot of module activation delay. Now I don't know this for sure, but it's my belief that the CVA sniper fleet lagged out when they warped back into the X6AB gate. If they had been there the whole time and had the grid loaded as UK jumped in, they might have slaughtered the incoming UK fleet. But since they warped down to intercept the OB fleet, and then warped back in, they were lagged out, and UK got a 'get out of jail free' card. So 2 minutes after Outbreak loaded grid at the G-B22J gate in X-R we gang warped to our covops who was positioned at the X6AB gate. Roughly 2 minutes after warping in I was able to start locking things. It took around 45 seconds to lock a battleship and another minute or two (or three?) to activate my guns. About halfway through the fight I started shooting the secondary target, since by the time my guns activated everyone else would be shooting him anyways. When we were planning the fight, I thought there was a good chance we were all going to die. So did all the UK guys ... memorable quotes such as "I'll tell everyone that its a suicide mission" are always good to hear from your allies. After the fight was done I think we shot a POS or something. It built character. I hate building character. This man is correct... ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:37:00 - [120] Originally by: Butter Dog The point I was making, is that I only see one side moaning about the lag - CVA. Ironic considering they escalated the conflict to Outpost seiges. Look BD please stop with the smack. I mentioned the lag in my first post not as a 'moan' but simply to explain the situation of the battle indeed I stated: "That's life I guess and it has favoured us in the past so can't complain." The fact is that 'the battle of XR' ended in pretty much a score draw, You got something you wanted, we got something we wanted. Leave it at that! ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR

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