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Krugerrand 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:53:00 - [31] Exact Outbreak numbers can be derived from our Killboard. In terms of the arguments as to what was the target...Uk's goal was primarily the destruction of the capital yard POS, a strike at the enemy who had tried to take Unity, anything extra above this goal would merely be a bonus.
Fear Not 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:53:00 - [32] Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne your forces decided to attack the least defended pos first. Actually, no, we decided to destroy your capital ship yard. We did. The very fact that your capital production POS was so poorly defended is something I'd want to keep quiet, not keep telling everyone about. Highly embarrassing surely?
Sacul Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:55:00 - [33] Edited by: Sacul on 13/05/2007 13:53:25 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 13/05/2007 12:23:34 rabble rable CVA and our friends. Your powers of spin are weak, old man The UK allied goal was 'destroy the shipyards'. And with your blob of 200 + 30 captials, I bet you felt pretty assured you would not lose them. You say 'the system was defended' and 'your mission was accomplished' - well, UK & Allies were only there to kill the shipyard, so what exactly was your mission? Protect the Sansha belt pirates? Well, yes, mission accomplished. No mission goals changed on the UK side - you lost your capital shipyard in your home system, sustained fairly heavy losses, inflicted very few losses on the UK side, and destoyed a POS which was not even online. How many onlined UK POS have you destroyed since rolling into 9UY with 3-1 odds in your favour? From any reasonable perspective, you lost the battle. At least have the good grace to rise above your Amarrian arrogance and admit it. can i please,please change my vote on the e-on awards again...ButterDog is back and i wanna vote for him again as forum smackwhorage The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:56:00 - [34] Edited by: Solusar on 13/05/2007 13:56:01 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne your forces decided to attack the least defended pos first. Hello, anyone home? We only came in to kill your Capital Shipyard. Based on this mission objective, can you guess why we might have attacked that POS? Changing your objectives when your borrowed muscle leaves doesnt do anything to improve your situation. Maggot has already stated he knew along with the rest of you that the ship yard was empty. All this has shown is you are not willing to take the risks necessary to take an outpost system. The war rolls on.
Kodos Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:56:00 - [35] Originally by: Eddie Gordo The outbreak gang was approx 50, 30 bs (all t2 snipers) and 20 support. (correct me if i'm wrong outbreak, if anything it was less right?) The Outbreak gang consisted of 29-30 BS and 3 support (2 Sabres and a Nighthawk).
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:59:00 - [36] Edited by: Butter Dog on 13/05/2007 13:58:05 Originally by: Solusar Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne your forces decided to attack the least defended pos first. Hello, anyone home? We only came in to kill your Capital Shipyard. Based on this mission objective, can you guess why we might have attacked that POS? Changing your objectives when your borrowed muscle leaves doesnt do anything to improve your situation. Maggot has already stated he knew along with the rest of you that the ship yard was empty. Hilarious. Pray tell, what was our objective then? NPCing? A spot of mining? We wanted to strike a symbolic blow to the very heart of the evil CVA empire. We came into your home system, and removed that most symbolic and potent symbol of power - your Capital Shipyards. Granted, we didn't think we could actually do it. Accomplishing the goal was an unexpected, and not unpleasant, suprise. (edit for spelling ) ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.13 14:00:00 - [37] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 13/05/2007 14:03:36 Originally by: Ikar Kaltin And JASMINE, what is with the "look at me, oooo oooo here me me me" attitude you seem to have. At every turn you seem to be trying to draw attention to yourself. You seem to bloat up your own role alot, to play things to how great you were. Considering there were those 40+ battleships on the gate, and they didnt jump in to slaughter you maybe implies something about what our goals were and that all that were coming from misaba were already there? Those that engaged you in misaba were neutrals trying to do whatever they were doing. You dont actually realise your such a minor part of everything that no one actually cares about you, and that the fact that you have to draw attention to yourself is not a good thing... Ikar, we killed 14 BS and lost 1. We stopped all CVA friendly reinforcements moving through R3 for 3 hours. Stamp your feet all you like. Thats the raw facts. So take a chill pill and relax. Fighting is happening and don't choke on the propaganda mate. PS. SF don't shoot neutrals so stop telling fibs. Star Fraction is recruiting
Peter Armstrong Caldari 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 15:40:00 - [38] I think CVA need to get a grip with some member who think they know whats going on. How many times does it take to tell CVA the CAP shipyard was the mission. Anything else is a bounes. For the Dread in Question. He fell asleep and its only the POS that destoryed his dread no other ship. CVA You have one mission to deffened the System. You failed because a POS was taken down. Didnt hold the system down. So pls just say GF and shut up and stop trying to spin. Oh and stop trying to use Lag for your reason not to engage pls!! ------------------------------------ It's all part of the Experiance! "IAC: Our wrecks will blot out the sun. BUM: Then we will loot in the shade." :)
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 15:52:00 - [39] Originally by: Eddie Gordo A foothold in x-r was always secondary to killing the capital shipyard. Obviously this is not a total victory, but to claim we were somehow defeated is pure folly. And where did I claim that? Reread my post. This is the second time in the last few days where you seem to have either misread or deliberately misrepresented what we are saying. Fact is your allies claim that the Capital POS was your target all along - yet you start your original post stating that you had changed objectives. An interesting inconsistency but lets accept the claim at face value. You destroyed a Capital POS and achieved an 'objective' - well done! From the Amarrian perspective our objective was to defend the system. That was achieved. So from what I can tell both sides had their own little 'victory'. ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.13 15:57:00 - [40] Butter your smack is so 2005, you need to mention game mechanics and titans at least once dude. - Gob
Peter Armstrong Caldari 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 16:09:00 - [41] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Butter your smack is so 2005, you need to mention game mechanics and titans at least once dude. - Gob yer i can see your a fourm warrior ------------------------------------ It's all part of the Experiance! "IAC: Our wrecks will blot out the sun. BUM: Then we will loot in the shade." :)
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 16:22:00 - [42] Originally by: Hardin Originally by: Eddie Gordo A foothold in x-r was always secondary to killing the capital shipyard. Obviously this is not a total victory, but to claim we were somehow defeated is pure folly. And where did I claim that? Reread my post. This is the second time in the last few days where you seem to have either misread or deliberately misrepresented what we are saying. Fact is your allies claim that the Capital POS was your target all along - yet you start your original post stating that you had changed objectives. An interesting inconsistency but lets accept the claim at face value. You destroyed a Capital POS and achieved an 'objective' - well done! From the Amarrian perspective our objective was to defend the system. That was achieved. So from what I can tell both sides had their own little 'victory'. When we put the ship yard into reinforced it was meant to be a quick strike and out before you responded... when you utterly failed to do anything about it we thought we'd knock the rest into reinforced to boot. When you show up to defend with twice our numbers we decide it would be a shame to get all dressed up and not have a bit of a fight. Dreads pilots got out of their dreads, into BS and along we come. We show up expecting to have a good scrap and see what happens. Yes we had a plan and it sucks for you that you didn't notice outbreak sneak around the back and smack you about. We actually win that fight and are not counter attacked whilst shooting your cap ship yard with BS. We decide to see about grabbing some dreads. Few people swap out and a couple more pilots are found. We drop in some cap ships and smack down the cap ship yard. We're still outnumbered 2-1 and you're all sitting pos'd up. We decide to stick up a tower and see if we can keep a foothold. Outbreak leave and with 4-1 odds you finally get enough of a majority to think about fighting. I decided that losing an onlining tower is preferable to fighting when out of position so try to pull us back to a gate and get you to jump to us. We had a screw up on gang warp and decision is made that we might as well scatter and we move into skirmish mode. You cause minimal casualties. Bottom line: We kicked you in the nuts. Quit trying to make out some kind of victory that you managed to save the other two POS when you should have been able to save your ship yard as well with the numbers you had. p.s. Good fight Zarniewoop. CVA could do well to learn from Huzzah's attitude to fighting. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Caillech Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 16:27:00 - [43] Well, we must be doing something right to see CVA wound up so much. Shame I missed all the action, however laggy it was. Speaking of, is anyone really surprised? POS blobs have been ultra-laggy for years now. I think nobody can question that the situation has changed dramatically. I remember CVA (I believe it was Staaziprimus) saying Unity would be down in a week tops in the first day of 9UY's occupation. That was about a week ago. I also made a joke about saying he was right, it would be over in a week, and we would see them in X-R in about a week. Now it begins in earnest. We have, for once, mounted a serious challenge to CVA - let's hope they can rise to it.
Herritar Minmatar Solo Guerrilla	Posted - 2007.05.13 16:38:00 - [44] Good job U¦K
Vantras Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 16:52:00 - [45] If only this fight had anything to do with UK and the CVA itd be far more interesting. Nothing is more entertaining then watching the UK pilots coming here with some sort of feeling of pride in their posts while 100's and 100's of pirates and gankers fight on thier behalf. Times they certainly are a changing....
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 16:58:00 - [46] Originally by: Vantras If only this fight had anything to do with UK and the CVA itd be far more interesting. Nothing is more entertaining then watching the UK pilots coming here with some sort of feeling of pride in their posts while 100's and 100's of pirates and gankers fight on thier behalf. Times they certainly are a changing.... Did mommy IAC let you hide behind her skirts while you where muttering abut pirates and other bad men blowing up yours toys. Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 17:13:00 - [47] Originally by: Vantras If only this fight had anything to do with UK and the CVA itd be far more interesting. Nothing is more entertaining then watching the UK pilots coming here with some sort of feeling of pride in their posts while 100's and 100's of pirates and gankers fight on thier behalf. Times they certainly are a changing.... Maybe you should have done a non-CVA count when QR was invaded or maybe checked the non-CVA capital ship numbers in the battle when U'K lost 6 capital ships due to issues that 'cannot be detected server side'. Times have changed indeed. What gives me pride is working with such quality allies and seeing a 100% turnout of active pilots within U'K.
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 17:13:00 - [48] Hmm, where are CVA pilots getting "all wound up?" UK are pawning this off as a major victory in terms of the war when in reality it changes nothing. That is all we are pointing out I believe. Congratulations on killing the POS ofcourse, but it is not some sort of strategic victory. Karishals Folly is still in CVA hands. All of the POS deployed by UK in CVA systems have been destroyed. CVA still maintains POS in 9UY and system superiority for the majority of the time. The majority of the fighting is being done by outbreak/evoke/chaos incarnate. No one is complaining about this, just pointing this out. We lost 1, yes shock horror, ONE POS. The sky is surely falling. We will now pack up and go home UK continue to attack CVA POS at times when our numbers are low, they come out at times when our numbers are high and are recharged. This has been happening repeatedly. I suggest the "bragging" stops until the dust settles. Nice to see all the smack is coming from one organisation as usual. Waves to butters
zincol S.A.S	Posted - 2007.05.13 17:13:00 - [49] GJ UK and co. CVA do like to bring a fight but when it comes to POS it's erm.... CVA Command : BLOB THE HELL OUTTA THEM GUYS!!!1111 CALL EVERYONE ON THE +STANDINGS LIST.
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 17:19:00 - [50] Originally by: Maggot Originally by: Vantras If only this fight had anything to do with UK and the CVA itd be far more interesting. Nothing is more entertaining then watching the UK pilots coming here with some sort of feeling of pride in their posts while 100's and 100's of pirates and gankers fight on thier behalf. Times they certainly are a changing.... Maybe you should have done a non-CVA count when QR was invaded or maybe checked the non-CVA capital ship numbers in the battle when U'K lost 6 capital ships due to issues that 'cannot be detected server side'. Times have changed indeed. What gives me pride is working with such quality allies and seeing a 100% turnout of active pilots within U'K. I just did a quick count to amuse myself. Of the capitals that killed yours during that fight, there were 12 CVA and 5 Severence, so the majority of the fleet was CVA capitals. The fleet that attacked our capitals contained 5 capitals, 2 of those belonged to Ushra'Khan. The fleet also contained 70 battleships. 10 of those were Ushra'Khan battleships.
Paradoxex Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.05.13 17:24:00 - [51] Talk is just talk. It rarely makes a battle, but can often ruin the feeling afterward. For our part, Einherjar Rising contributed to the main party inside X-R3, and held a blockade on the Misaba gate in R3 during the battle operations. Our blockade was extraordinarily successful, especially for only lasting an hour or so, netting us well over 20 ship kills and in excess of 40 capsule kills. Ships sizes were of various sizes, though all pilots were surely en route or in retreat from the battle. We enjoyed ourselves, as we have this entire conflict. One thing this conflict was originally based on was mutual respect by all of those involved. UK and CVA reputedly like each other OOC. Well this is is an OOC forum, and so it would make sense if everyone involved, including the allies on both sides, did as little as possible to exacerbate the scenario. Providence is seeing good strategic warfare, with the inclusion of a game limitation or two, and so let's not cloud the water too much with the typical smacktalking.
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 17:35:00 - [52] I am not going to start disputing figures or quoting stats but the fact is it is a bit rich to start moaning about our allies when you have used approx 160-200 allies in your assualts against an alliance that can muster a very small fraction of that number. We are smaller than CVA in the first place. If we are to survive against your combined assualts then we are going to use allies. No need to sound so bitter about it. Attacking during low time is a perfectly good strategy and is one CVA have used in all their POS attacks. You would be idiots not to.
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 17:37:00 - [53] Originally by: Paradoxex Talk is just talk. It rarely makes a battle, but can often ruin the feeling afterward. For our part, Einherjar Rising contributed to the main party inside X-R3, and held a blockade on the Misaba gate in R3 during the battle operations. Our blockade was extraordinarily successful, especially for only lasting an hour or so, netting us well over 20 ship kills and in excess of 40 capsule kills. Ships sizes were of various sizes, though all pilots were surely en route or in retreat from the battle. We enjoyed ourselves, as we have this entire conflict. One thing this conflict was originally based on was mutual respect by all of those involved. UK and CVA reputedly like each other OOC. Well this is is an OOC forum, and so it would make sense if everyone involved, including the allies on both sides, did as little as possible to exacerbate the scenario. Providence is seeing good strategic warfare, with the inclusion of a game limitation or two, and so let's not cloud the water too much with the typical smacktalking. Word
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 17:37:00 - [54] Originally by: Solusar I just did a quick count to amuse myself. Of the capitals that killed yours during that fight, there were 12 CVA and 5 Severence, so the majority of the fleet was CVA capitals. The fleet that attacked our capitals contained 5 capitals, 2 of those belonged to Ushra'Khan. The fleet also contained 70 battleships. 10 of those were Ushra'Khan battleships. Quit whining. I saw plenty of IAC in X-R3 too. For the record, we had more than 10 BS and from what I can tell from our killboard CVA had 17. And that's not counting NOS, VV, Pie et al. I am deeply displeased on how CVA handles this.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.13 17:55:00 - [55] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne your forces decided to attack the least defended pos first. Hello, anyone home? We only came in to kill your Capital Shipyard. Based on this mission objective, can you guess why we might have attacked that POS? And based on the fact that we placed more emphasis on defending the other structures in the system, can you guess how important the shipyard was considered to be? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Cassandra Bontecou Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 18:00:00 - [56] Originally by: Mangold I am deeply displeased on how CVA handles this. It's safe to say the feeling is mutual.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 18:03:00 - [57] Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou Originally by: Mangold I am deeply displeased on how CVA handles this. It's safe to say the feeling is mutual. i am not its gonna help me thure on mondays boredom Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Cassandra Bontecou Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 18:09:00 - [58] Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou Originally by: Mangold I am deeply displeased on how CVA handles this. It's safe to say the feeling is mutual. i am not its gonna help me thure on mondays boredom That's the beauty of being a bum; you're all so easy to amuse
Abn Matar Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.13 18:14:00 - [59] Originally by: Lilan Kahn mommy IAC Bitter much? -------------------------------------------------- http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2310/16fd9c37ebc3fd5ee8fab1c1a8d9ca7fkr8.gif Your signature is larger than the forum allowed dimensions ( 400x120x 24000 bytes) . Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 18:20:00 - [60] Originally by: Solusar We lost 1, yes shock horror, ONE POS. The sky is surely falling. We will now pack up and go home UK continue to attack CVA POS at times when our numbers are low, they come out at times when our numbers are high and are recharged. This has been happening repeatedly. Well, this is rather silly, isn't it, especially given that two of your large POS in 9UY have already been destroyed Yesterday, you lost the single most symbolic POS in your possession. It's a huge morale victory for UK. It was in your home system. You outnumbered UK & friends. Still you failed to save it. And, you took heavy losses. Admit it - you thought 9UY would be yours by this weekend. That was the plan, that was the expectation. What do you have instead? 7 capitals down, over 100 BS lost, and several of your POS including the Capital Shipyards in your home system - destroyed. Nothing about your campaign to enslave the innocent population of Unity station has gone to plan, so far. No amount of spin can make it better. Not that you can see through your Amarrian pride and face up to it. Does this mean you have lost the war? No. Will you ultimately take Unity? Perhaps. But one week after the invasion of 9UY - you have to admit, that fighting over your home system, and losing your capital shipyard... well, it wasnt exactly the plan ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])

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