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Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:13:00 - [1] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 13/05/2007 12:19:54 Given that x-r local had reached 200+ Consisting of CVA, NOS and large numbers of IAC. We had decided that a pos assult was out of the question, as god knows how many capital ships could be waiting out of system. The Mixed U'K/9uy residents gang numbered about 50-60 at the time of departure. around 25-30 were bs, 15-20 of which were t2 snipers. The rest were eiher 200km + ew or close range heavy tacklers. The outbreak gang was approx 50, 30 bs (all t2 snipers) and 20 support. (correct me if i'm wrong outbreak, if anything it was less right?) At the time we made our decision, the Star Fraction guys had not contacted us, so we got as many of our dread pilots into battleships as we could and made our way over to x-r. As we started to move, Star fraction contacted us. We were pleasently suprised to learn that they had a gang of approx 20-25 bs in misaba/r3. Just before jumping into x-r, the uk and outbreak gangs split up. U'K went right to the x-r gate in x6, and outbreak took another route. When outbreak were in position Ushra'khan were the first to jump in. The order was to stay cloaked for as long as possible, to give outbreak time to break through a bubble. Star fraction were supposed to be jumping in from the r3 gate, but apparently lag was so bad that teh scouts they sent in didnt load for the entire fight. The rest stayed outside of system (correct me if i'm wrong pls Jade) I took approx 3mins to jump, and then once in x-r I took a further 2-3 mins to load the grid. Once loaded I had 30sec-1min module lag. The feint seemed to work, as the main fight happend at the x6 gate in x-r. CVA took heavy losses, and from what I can tell on the killboards Ushra'khan only lost 1 or two battleships in x-r. Against what I can only assume were 2-1 odds or worse. This is where it got interesting. We had given up all hope of actually taking out the pos. As such we didnt really have a plan in place to do so. The capital shipyard only had 6x medium lasers on it. So with lack of a better plan, the bemused gang that was told they were all going to die trying to get in the system warped to a grid load on the capital shipyard. The combined firepower of the outbreak and Ushra'khan gang began to pound on the capital shipyard. CVA did not show, had we really beaten them? Mid way through the assult, a small nos gang tried sniping us. They all died. I can only assume that they were after a quick ride home. After what seemed like an eternity, we still had not made a dent on the hostile pos & CVA and IAC had not made a move. There was a very real danger that our guys would start running out of ammo (again we did not have logistics in place for this as it was not part of the plan. The plan was to do a leeroyy and put the fear of god into the CVA) The decision was made eventually to bring capitals in. Even if it was a trap. We brought in approx 10 dreadnaughts from U'K and CI. As well as 3-4 front line carriers. Less than origionally planned as many of our pilots were in battleships now. The capital shipyard was destroyed with no further intervention from CVA. [continued] Now Recruiting
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:14:00 - [2] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 13/05/2007 12:16:22 All this had taken a lot longer than planned. Outbreak had plans elsewhere, and once our pos was anchoring they left. This is when the CVA and IAC made a move. It was apparent that we would not win a 50 v 200 battle, so we cyno'd the remaining capitals out and were going to make a stand in x6- At this stage, as primaries were about to be called someone did a gang warp to a belt (I think it was our hauler pilot who had pos equip in hold) We were now scattered and had to make a run for it. U'K losses in x6- were 3 bs. Losses in x-r were 1-2bs + some support. Its just as well we didnt stay around longer. As just after we left, an impressive IAC & CVA capital fleet numbering 30 or so engaged our un-onlined pos. With our primary objective complete the atmosphere was electric. This day will be remembered in U'K for a long time to come! For Freedom! Now Recruiting
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:23:00 - [3] Edited by: Hardin on 13/05/2007 12:23:34 Regarding the jump you only faced a small part of the fleet on that gate and our snipers who were warping in from elsewhere pretty much ALL failed to load. As a result we lost half before we could even see what was happening. That's life I guess and it has favoured us in the past so can't complain. Nevertheless you killed a POS and we killed one of yours, you killed more of our BS but your friends lost a dread in the initial attack. From our perspective it was mission accomplished. The system was defended. The fact that you changed your mission goals after you saw our fleet was already a victory for CVA and our friends. ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Cranewhite Lighting The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:23:00 - [4] Full frontal attack actually worked for once. :D
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Hardin Firtsly, did we need another thread on this when there is already a perfectly good one existing? Yes, the first was not an official announcement and it was riddled with talks of alts ect. You have to dig your way through rubbish to actually find detailed information. Now Recruiting
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:27:00 - [6] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 13/05/2007 12:28:14 Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 13/05/2007 12:21:16 Nevertheless you killed a POS and we killed one of yours, you killed more of our BS but your friends lost a dread in the initial attack. We killed a capital shipyard. you killed an un-onlined tower. Theres a difference, dont pretend there isnt. The dread fell asleap, while not much of an excuse its hardly through propper defence on the part of CVA. Also as far as numbers go, all we can base our facts on is what we saw in local. Local was 200+ before we jumped in. With many more in Misaba. I dont know what you had active. Now Recruiting
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:28:00 - [7] Good job guys, to bad I couldn't be there myself . Now, start taking those Outposts .
Gegi Wau Minmatar Liberty Labs	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:37:00 - [8] Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 13/05/2007 12:23:34 From our perspective it was mission accomplished. The system was defended. The fact that you changed your mission goals after you saw our fleet was already a victory for CVA and our friends. This made me chuckle. I find it highly amusing how you try to spin the fact that U'K and allies attacked one of your core systems, hammered all of your starbases there into reinforced mode, and then proceeded to destroy the one that harboured a capital shipyard, all the while taking minimal losses (well, apart from that unfortunate Dread incident...)! And let's not get into a discussion about lag, which was horrible for both sides. Staring at the "Jumping" message for half an hour and then getting disconnected twice in a row really isn't particularly amusing.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 13/05/2007 12:23:34 Regarding the jump you only faced a small part of the fleet on that gate and our snipers who were warping in from elsewhere pretty much ALL failed to load. As a result we lost half before we could even see what was happening. That's life I guess and it has favoured us in the past so can't complain. Nevertheless you killed a POS and we killed one of yours, you killed more of our BS but your friends lost a dread in the initial attack. From our perspective it was mission accomplished. The system was defended. The fact that you changed your mission goals after you saw our fleet was already a victory for CVA and our friends. Your powers of spin are weak, old man The UK allied goal was 'destroy the shipyards'. And with your blob of 200 + 30 captials, I bet you felt pretty assured you would not lose them. You say 'the system was defended' and 'your mission was accomplished' - well, UK & Allies were only there to kill the shipyard, so what exactly was your mission? Protect the Sansha belt pirates? Well, yes, mission accomplished. No mission goals changed on the UK side - you lost your capital shipyard in your home system, sustained fairly heavy losses, inflicted very few losses on the UK side, and destoyed a POS which was not even online. How many onlined UK POS have you destroyed since rolling into 9UY with 3-1 odds in your favour? From any reasonable perspective, you lost the battle. At least have the good grace to rise above your Amarrian arrogance and admit it. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:48:00 - [10] Our scouts deployed into X-R from R-3 blackholed for about 20 minutes at the height of the lag after reporting around 45 enemy battleships at the jump-in. (we lost one interceptor+pod to the CVA + friends sniper gang there) Deciding our mobile group of 25 was better use intedicting the path of CVA reinforcements to the contested system we controlled the Misaba/R3 zone for around 3 hours scoring 14 BS, 1 CBC, 5 pod, 13 other miscellaneous kills against CVA and meatshield allies for the loss of 1 friendly Megathron - keeping around 40 CVA penned up in Misaba and unable to prevent the destruction of their capital yards was a nice bonus. Was a good evening's fighting and nice to see that after all Hardin's claims to the contrary in the past week the CVA outpost was ultimately defended by the intervention of the IAC capital fleet - thus demonstrating the reliance that "NRDS" CVA places on the NBSI category IAC. So lets have no more nonsense about "piracy" or "anti piracy" eh Hardin? Star Fraction is recruiting
alpha charlie Minmatar North Eastern Swat	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:53:00 - [11] UK FTW!
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Hardin From our perspective it was mission accomplished. The system was defended. But you failed to defend the capital shipyard. How was your system in any way defended if you allowed that to happen? Did you have some other mission we don't know about? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Beer is my religion. Guinness is my God.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:56:00 - [13] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: Hardin From our perspective it was mission accomplished. The system was defended. But you failed to defend the capital shipyard. How was your system in any way defended if you allowed that to happen? Did you have some other mission we don't know about? Maybe he was running L4 Worlds Collide? ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
alpha charlie Minmatar North Eastern Swat	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: Hardin From our perspective it was mission accomplished. The system was defended. But you failed to defend the capital shipyard. How was your system in any way defended if you allowed that to happen? Did you have some other mission we don't know about? Maybe he was running L4 Worlds Collide?
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:10:00 - [15] Originally by: Eddie Gordo We killed a capital shipyard. you killed an un-onlined tower. Theres a difference, dont pretend there isnt. both sides killed a pos that was not defended. now we're back to 4 cva towers (1 reinforced) and zero uk towers in the system.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne Originally by: Eddie Gordo We killed a capital shipyard. you killed an un-onlined tower. Theres a difference, dont pretend there isnt. both sides killed a pos that was not defended. now we're back to 4 cva towers (1 reinforced) and zero uk towers in the system. one pos wasnt offline the other had 49% shields and 6 guns, geting enegaged by a sniper fleet yes its very much the same thing Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:16:00 - [17] Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne Originally by: Eddie Gordo We killed a capital shipyard. you killed an un-onlined tower. Theres a difference, dont pretend there isnt. both sides killed a pos that was not defended. now we're back to 4 cva towers (1 reinforced) and zero uk towers in the system. Yes, of course, your 200 person blob was just there to sit back in Coverts and watch the capital shipyard blow up. Silly us thinking you were there to defend it. By the way, how many of UK's POS have you destroyed in 9UY? ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Ikar Kaltin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:19:00 - [18] Im posting here, not because I feel the need, but because Im annoyed at the inacuracies and generally because butter dog feels the need to open his mouth (which means even more BS is soon to follow). CVA ships couldnt do sod all on your jump in. All our ships trying to warp in just didnt load and were killed 1 by 1. Our ships didnt wipe you out at the pos because it wasnt worth the lag warping in, where you would then see us, warp to a different spot and bubble us and kill us all before the grid loaded. The POS didnt mean anything to us, so we figured it wasnt worth the hastle of losing dozens of ships to lag. And Jade, what is with the "look at me, oooo oooo here me me me" attitude you seem to have. At every turn you seem to be trying to draw attention to yourself. You seem to bloat up your own role alot, to play things to how great you were. Considering there were those 40+ battleships on the gate, and they didnt jump in to slaughter you maybe implies something about what our goals were and that all that were coming from misaba were already there? Those that engaged you in misaba were neutrals trying to do whatever they were doing. You dont actually realise your such a minor part of everything that no one actually cares about you, and that the fact that you have to draw attention to yourself is not a good thing...
Ikar Kaltin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:22:00 - [19] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne Originally by: Eddie Gordo We killed a capital shipyard. you killed an un-onlined tower. Theres a difference, dont pretend there isnt. both sides killed a pos that was not defended. now we're back to 4 cva towers (1 reinforced) and zero uk towers in the system. Yes, of course, your 200 person blob was just there to sit back in Coverts and watch the capital shipyard blow up. Silly us thinking you were there to defend it. By the way, how many of UK's POS have you destroyed in 9UY? How many towers have we get go offline so that the enemy could destroy all important mods and steal all ships being stored at that pos in 9uy? By the way, how many UK ships are actually involved in the defence of their own system, maybe 20% of the total of those involved? And how many completly pointless posts do you make, either on your main or your alt, which actually mean nothing, made because you think it makes you look big and impressive but actually makes you look like a muppet.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:26:00 - [20] Originally by: Ikar Kaltin Im posting here, not because I feel the need, but because Im annoyed at the inacuracies and generally because butter dog feels the need to open his mouth (which means even more BS is soon to follow). CVA ships couldnt do sod all on your jump in. All our ships trying to warp in just didnt load and were killed 1 by 1. Our ships didnt wipe you out at the pos because it wasnt worth the lag warping in, where you would then see us, warp to a different spot and bubble us and kill us all before the grid loaded. The POS didnt mean anything to us, so we figured it wasnt worth the hastle of losing dozens of ships to lag. Lag favours the defender (that would be you) - both sides face it, but the people with the prepared position start off stronger. I think it's interesting to see repeated assertions that that POS was meaningless. Almost as if you're trying to convince someone or something.
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:28:00 - [21] Edited by: Solusar on 13/05/2007 13:29:27 What could of been a nice fight at the gate ended up with none of the CVA forces even loading the grid yay. That would explain how you took next to no loses jumping into a bubbled gate. I believe the only part of our fleet that loaded the grid was a small number of IAC vessels. Local was at 158 when you guys first jumped in, ill go see if I can find some screenshots. Local topped out at around 250-260 so that suggests you brought less than 50 people if your numbers are accurate? Our gang was 135 when we engaged your fleet at your POS, not 200+. At that point there was 220 people in local, so again if we were 200+ you had less than 20 people in local. After that point we were on the defensive, as Hardin has pointed out we waited for you to attack a POS with defenses, you didnt, you left/routed. We secured the system. Job done. The war rolls on.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:34:00 - [22] 'Buzzard' Class Covert Ops: HMS Mirage Undisclosed Location - deep space The Bashar began to relax in his pod. The cloak was running at full efficiency and the crew had been ordered to get some rest in rotation. After nearly 24hrs of constant activity the crew were, like much of the fleet, asleep on their feet. The Bashar reflected on the past 24hrs.... They'd done an amazing thing. Whilst the slavers slept soundly in the belief that they were safe, the Ushra'Khan fleet with strong allied support had been able to strike a great blow against an enemy firmly believing themselves to be above attack. He knew that in the coming days the enemy would undoubtably attempt to spin the loss as a victory on the galnet boards. If you're losing or have lost a fight it doesn't do well to let everyone see that you've just been kicked in the nuts afterall. True, it would have been better to have killed it when it was building the most recent mothership but depriving CVA and IAC of a secure base to build further monsterous Super Capitals when facing 2:1 odds against was a Ushra'Khan victory no matter how much spin they might try. He thought back over the fight, analysing it for any possible changes to make in future engagements. Deploying the tower had been an afterthought and as soon as it had become apparant that the enemy were finally willing to engage with 4:1 odds in their favour, U'K had decided to go. The Bashar chuckled briefly whilst considering how for a race of people believing themselves to be so superior, they seemed awfully scared of fighting on a level playing field. The withdrawl had been scrappy for sure, he began wording a memo to the troops to apologise for that. It seemed like a control malfunction had lead to the majority of the fleet being warped to a random belt location rather than them having been able to take combat positions up around the gate in x6. He remembered W9-DID and the last time they'd used this manouver to catch and anhillate an IAC fleet. As he began to drift to sleep The Bashar started to close the comms channels down, thanks was due to the stirling work of all allied forces and he just hoped they realised that this operation was as much a victory for them as for Ushra'Khan. The amount of anger that CVA appeared to have reaped no only for their slaver ways but their alliances with the likes of IAC never ceased to amaze him. With his last waking thoughts he quickly typed a memo to the troops, 'Victory for the Minmatar! We came like a storm on the wind and we crushed what most would have considered a superior force. They watched on as we killed a prized industrial facility afraid to leave their shields. Even with irregularities in the withdrawl they killed minimal ships and far too little to offset their losses in the earlier decimation. We are Ushra'Khan! We come for our people! We will fight all those that enslave our people and we will scatter them into the void. You have fought well today and you do yourselves honour.' The Bashar saluted as he ended the comms message and then slowly drifted into sleep. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Tar Kovsky Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:35:00 - [23] Originally by: Ikar Kaltin By the way, how many UK ships are actually involved in the defence of their own system, maybe 20% of the total of those involved? Given that all the CVA attacks on our systems have included pilots from PIE, VV, NOS and Delictum, and that more recently you've added AM, Sev3rance, North Star, and Paxton, this seems like a rather odd point to be hung up on. CVA on its own outnumbers U'K by itself. You are a richer and more powerful alliance with a higher percentage of skilled pilots. Whining about our allies doesn't do much for your public appearance. I'm not sure why you'd think that we would just roll over and die for you.
LiquidSteele Exit 13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:36:00 - [24] Whatever the Amarrian pawns say congrats to U'K and allies on wiping out a capital ship POS. Sincerly, LS
Fear Not 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:36:00 - [25] Edited by: Fear Not on 13/05/2007 13:37:01 Originally by: Ikar Kaltin CVA ships couldnt do sod all on your jump in. All our ships trying to warp in just didnt load and were killed 1 by 1. As someone jumping in, I can assure you I could do nothing also. I died before I had any control over my ship. Typically lag favours the defender, so it is likely you would have had less lag than us. You did try to defend that POS, otherwise you wouldn't have had so many in that system (including IAC!!!), bubbles on the gate, and such. Saying otherwise is just silly. You have lost your capital ship yard and 7 capitals. We have lost a single dread* and an anchored-but-not-yet-onlined control tower. *The dread did not die because CVA 'did' anything, not a single CVA member attacked it. Any attempt to spin this as a CVA victory is laughable. You are losing, big time.
Jon Hawkes The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:39:00 - [26] Originally by: Ikar Kaltin The POS didnt mean anything to us, so we figured it wasnt worth the hastle of losing dozens of ships... Yeah, we take that approach to all of our Capital Shipyards too.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:42:00 - [27] Originally by: Ikar Kaltin How many towers have we get go offline so that the enemy could destroy all important mods and steal all ships being stored at that pos in 9uy? By the way, how many UK ships are actually involved in the defence of their own system, maybe 20% of the total of those involved? And how many completly pointless posts do you make, either on your main or your alt, which actually mean nothing, made because you think it makes you look big and impressive but actually makes you look like a muppet. This post has it all; * A whine about UK having friends (depsite over half the X-R defenders being non-CVA) * A trivial and unrelated story about some offline POS * A personal attack ... bitter, much? ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:49:00 - [28] Edited by: Udyr Vulpayne on 13/05/2007 13:47:45 Originally by: Fear Not You did try to defend that POS, otherwise you wouldn't have had so many in that system (including IAC!!!), bubbles on the gate, and such. Saying otherwise is just silly. maybe read the op. your forces decided to attack the least defended pos first. we let it die as we wanted to bring the main fight at a better defended pos. after the weak pos died your forces packed up and ran leaving a halfway anchored tower and a few straglers behind to get killed. if you had actually stayed around for the main fight then maybe you could claim victory here.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne your forces decided to attack the least defended pos first. Hello, anyone home? We only came in to kill your Capital Shipyard. Based on this mission objective, can you guess why we might have attacked that POS? ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:52:00 - [30] A foothold in x-r was always secondary to killing the capital shipyard. Obviously this is not a total victory, but to claim we were somehow defeated is pure folly. This is far from over. Now Recruiting
Krugerrand 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:53:00 - [31] Exact Outbreak numbers can be derived from our Killboard. In terms of the arguments as to what was the target...Uk's goal was primarily the destruction of the capital yard POS, a strike at the enemy who had tried to take Unity, anything extra above this goal would merely be a bonus.
Fear Not 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:53:00 - [32] Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne your forces decided to attack the least defended pos first. Actually, no, we decided to destroy your capital ship yard. We did. The very fact that your capital production POS was so poorly defended is something I'd want to keep quiet, not keep telling everyone about. Highly embarrassing surely?
Sacul Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:55:00 - [33] Edited by: Sacul on 13/05/2007 13:53:25 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 13/05/2007 12:23:34 rabble rable CVA and our friends. Your powers of spin are weak, old man The UK allied goal was 'destroy the shipyards'. And with your blob of 200 + 30 captials, I bet you felt pretty assured you would not lose them. You say 'the system was defended' and 'your mission was accomplished' - well, UK & Allies were only there to kill the shipyard, so what exactly was your mission? Protect the Sansha belt pirates? Well, yes, mission accomplished. No mission goals changed on the UK side - you lost your capital shipyard in your home system, sustained fairly heavy losses, inflicted very few losses on the UK side, and destoyed a POS which was not even online. How many onlined UK POS have you destroyed since rolling into 9UY with 3-1 odds in your favour? From any reasonable perspective, you lost the battle. At least have the good grace to rise above your Amarrian arrogance and admit it. can i please,please change my vote on the e-on awards again...ButterDog is back and i wanna vote for him again as forum smackwhorage The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:56:00 - [34] Edited by: Solusar on 13/05/2007 13:56:01 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne your forces decided to attack the least defended pos first. Hello, anyone home? We only came in to kill your Capital Shipyard. Based on this mission objective, can you guess why we might have attacked that POS? Changing your objectives when your borrowed muscle leaves doesnt do anything to improve your situation. Maggot has already stated he knew along with the rest of you that the ship yard was empty. All this has shown is you are not willing to take the risks necessary to take an outpost system. The war rolls on.
Kodos Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:56:00 - [35] Originally by: Eddie Gordo The outbreak gang was approx 50, 30 bs (all t2 snipers) and 20 support. (correct me if i'm wrong outbreak, if anything it was less right?) The Outbreak gang consisted of 29-30 BS and 3 support (2 Sabres and a Nighthawk).
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:59:00 - [36] Edited by: Butter Dog on 13/05/2007 13:58:05 Originally by: Solusar Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne your forces decided to attack the least defended pos first. Hello, anyone home? We only came in to kill your Capital Shipyard. Based on this mission objective, can you guess why we might have attacked that POS? Changing your objectives when your borrowed muscle leaves doesnt do anything to improve your situation. Maggot has already stated he knew along with the rest of you that the ship yard was empty. Hilarious. Pray tell, what was our objective then? NPCing? A spot of mining? We wanted to strike a symbolic blow to the very heart of the evil CVA empire. We came into your home system, and removed that most symbolic and potent symbol of power - your Capital Shipyards. Granted, we didn't think we could actually do it. Accomplishing the goal was an unexpected, and not unpleasant, suprise. (edit for spelling ) ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.13 14:00:00 - [37] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 13/05/2007 14:03:36 Originally by: Ikar Kaltin And JASMINE, what is with the "look at me, oooo oooo here me me me" attitude you seem to have. At every turn you seem to be trying to draw attention to yourself. You seem to bloat up your own role alot, to play things to how great you were. Considering there were those 40+ battleships on the gate, and they didnt jump in to slaughter you maybe implies something about what our goals were and that all that were coming from misaba were already there? Those that engaged you in misaba were neutrals trying to do whatever they were doing. You dont actually realise your such a minor part of everything that no one actually cares about you, and that the fact that you have to draw attention to yourself is not a good thing... Ikar, we killed 14 BS and lost 1. We stopped all CVA friendly reinforcements moving through R3 for 3 hours. Stamp your feet all you like. Thats the raw facts. So take a chill pill and relax. Fighting is happening and don't choke on the propaganda mate. PS. SF don't shoot neutrals so stop telling fibs. Star Fraction is recruiting
Peter Armstrong Caldari 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 15:40:00 - [38] I think CVA need to get a grip with some member who think they know whats going on. How many times does it take to tell CVA the CAP shipyard was the mission. Anything else is a bounes. For the Dread in Question. He fell asleep and its only the POS that destoryed his dread no other ship. CVA You have one mission to deffened the System. You failed because a POS was taken down. Didnt hold the system down. So pls just say GF and shut up and stop trying to spin. Oh and stop trying to use Lag for your reason not to engage pls!! ------------------------------------ It's all part of the Experiance! "IAC: Our wrecks will blot out the sun. BUM: Then we will loot in the shade." :)
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 15:52:00 - [39] Originally by: Eddie Gordo A foothold in x-r was always secondary to killing the capital shipyard. Obviously this is not a total victory, but to claim we were somehow defeated is pure folly. And where did I claim that? Reread my post. This is the second time in the last few days where you seem to have either misread or deliberately misrepresented what we are saying. Fact is your allies claim that the Capital POS was your target all along - yet you start your original post stating that you had changed objectives. An interesting inconsistency but lets accept the claim at face value. You destroyed a Capital POS and achieved an 'objective' - well done! From the Amarrian perspective our objective was to defend the system. That was achieved. So from what I can tell both sides had their own little 'victory'. ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Goberth Ludwig eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.13 15:57:00 - [40] Butter your smack is so 2005, you need to mention game mechanics and titans at least once dude. - Gob
Peter Armstrong Caldari 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 16:09:00 - [41] Originally by: Goberth Ludwig Butter your smack is so 2005, you need to mention game mechanics and titans at least once dude. - Gob yer i can see your a fourm warrior ------------------------------------ It's all part of the Experiance! "IAC: Our wrecks will blot out the sun. BUM: Then we will loot in the shade." :)
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 16:22:00 - [42] Originally by: Hardin Originally by: Eddie Gordo A foothold in x-r was always secondary to killing the capital shipyard. Obviously this is not a total victory, but to claim we were somehow defeated is pure folly. And where did I claim that? Reread my post. This is the second time in the last few days where you seem to have either misread or deliberately misrepresented what we are saying. Fact is your allies claim that the Capital POS was your target all along - yet you start your original post stating that you had changed objectives. An interesting inconsistency but lets accept the claim at face value. You destroyed a Capital POS and achieved an 'objective' - well done! From the Amarrian perspective our objective was to defend the system. That was achieved. So from what I can tell both sides had their own little 'victory'. When we put the ship yard into reinforced it was meant to be a quick strike and out before you responded... when you utterly failed to do anything about it we thought we'd knock the rest into reinforced to boot. When you show up to defend with twice our numbers we decide it would be a shame to get all dressed up and not have a bit of a fight. Dreads pilots got out of their dreads, into BS and along we come. We show up expecting to have a good scrap and see what happens. Yes we had a plan and it sucks for you that you didn't notice outbreak sneak around the back and smack you about. We actually win that fight and are not counter attacked whilst shooting your cap ship yard with BS. We decide to see about grabbing some dreads. Few people swap out and a couple more pilots are found. We drop in some cap ships and smack down the cap ship yard. We're still outnumbered 2-1 and you're all sitting pos'd up. We decide to stick up a tower and see if we can keep a foothold. Outbreak leave and with 4-1 odds you finally get enough of a majority to think about fighting. I decided that losing an onlining tower is preferable to fighting when out of position so try to pull us back to a gate and get you to jump to us. We had a screw up on gang warp and decision is made that we might as well scatter and we move into skirmish mode. You cause minimal casualties. Bottom line: We kicked you in the nuts. Quit trying to make out some kind of victory that you managed to save the other two POS when you should have been able to save your ship yard as well with the numbers you had. p.s. Good fight Zarniewoop. CVA could do well to learn from Huzzah's attitude to fighting. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Caillech Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 16:27:00 - [43] Well, we must be doing something right to see CVA wound up so much. Shame I missed all the action, however laggy it was. Speaking of, is anyone really surprised? POS blobs have been ultra-laggy for years now. I think nobody can question that the situation has changed dramatically. I remember CVA (I believe it was Staaziprimus) saying Unity would be down in a week tops in the first day of 9UY's occupation. That was about a week ago. I also made a joke about saying he was right, it would be over in a week, and we would see them in X-R in about a week. Now it begins in earnest. We have, for once, mounted a serious challenge to CVA - let's hope they can rise to it.
Herritar Minmatar Solo Guerrilla	Posted - 2007.05.13 16:38:00 - [44] Good job U¦K
Vantras Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 16:52:00 - [45] If only this fight had anything to do with UK and the CVA itd be far more interesting. Nothing is more entertaining then watching the UK pilots coming here with some sort of feeling of pride in their posts while 100's and 100's of pirates and gankers fight on thier behalf. Times they certainly are a changing....
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 16:58:00 - [46] Originally by: Vantras If only this fight had anything to do with UK and the CVA itd be far more interesting. Nothing is more entertaining then watching the UK pilots coming here with some sort of feeling of pride in their posts while 100's and 100's of pirates and gankers fight on thier behalf. Times they certainly are a changing.... Did mommy IAC let you hide behind her skirts while you where muttering abut pirates and other bad men blowing up yours toys. Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 17:13:00 - [47] Originally by: Vantras If only this fight had anything to do with UK and the CVA itd be far more interesting. Nothing is more entertaining then watching the UK pilots coming here with some sort of feeling of pride in their posts while 100's and 100's of pirates and gankers fight on thier behalf. Times they certainly are a changing.... Maybe you should have done a non-CVA count when QR was invaded or maybe checked the non-CVA capital ship numbers in the battle when U'K lost 6 capital ships due to issues that 'cannot be detected server side'. Times have changed indeed. What gives me pride is working with such quality allies and seeing a 100% turnout of active pilots within U'K.
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 17:13:00 - [48] Hmm, where are CVA pilots getting "all wound up?" UK are pawning this off as a major victory in terms of the war when in reality it changes nothing. That is all we are pointing out I believe. Congratulations on killing the POS ofcourse, but it is not some sort of strategic victory. Karishals Folly is still in CVA hands. All of the POS deployed by UK in CVA systems have been destroyed. CVA still maintains POS in 9UY and system superiority for the majority of the time. The majority of the fighting is being done by outbreak/evoke/chaos incarnate. No one is complaining about this, just pointing this out. We lost 1, yes shock horror, ONE POS. The sky is surely falling. We will now pack up and go home UK continue to attack CVA POS at times when our numbers are low, they come out at times when our numbers are high and are recharged. This has been happening repeatedly. I suggest the "bragging" stops until the dust settles. Nice to see all the smack is coming from one organisation as usual. Waves to butters
zincol S.A.S	Posted - 2007.05.13 17:13:00 - [49] GJ UK and co. CVA do like to bring a fight but when it comes to POS it's erm.... CVA Command : BLOB THE HELL OUTTA THEM GUYS!!!1111 CALL EVERYONE ON THE +STANDINGS LIST.
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 17:19:00 - [50] Originally by: Maggot Originally by: Vantras If only this fight had anything to do with UK and the CVA itd be far more interesting. Nothing is more entertaining then watching the UK pilots coming here with some sort of feeling of pride in their posts while 100's and 100's of pirates and gankers fight on thier behalf. Times they certainly are a changing.... Maybe you should have done a non-CVA count when QR was invaded or maybe checked the non-CVA capital ship numbers in the battle when U'K lost 6 capital ships due to issues that 'cannot be detected server side'. Times have changed indeed. What gives me pride is working with such quality allies and seeing a 100% turnout of active pilots within U'K. I just did a quick count to amuse myself. Of the capitals that killed yours during that fight, there were 12 CVA and 5 Severence, so the majority of the fleet was CVA capitals. The fleet that attacked our capitals contained 5 capitals, 2 of those belonged to Ushra'Khan. The fleet also contained 70 battleships. 10 of those were Ushra'Khan battleships.
Paradoxex Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.05.13 17:24:00 - [51] Talk is just talk. It rarely makes a battle, but can often ruin the feeling afterward. For our part, Einherjar Rising contributed to the main party inside X-R3, and held a blockade on the Misaba gate in R3 during the battle operations. Our blockade was extraordinarily successful, especially for only lasting an hour or so, netting us well over 20 ship kills and in excess of 40 capsule kills. Ships sizes were of various sizes, though all pilots were surely en route or in retreat from the battle. We enjoyed ourselves, as we have this entire conflict. One thing this conflict was originally based on was mutual respect by all of those involved. UK and CVA reputedly like each other OOC. Well this is is an OOC forum, and so it would make sense if everyone involved, including the allies on both sides, did as little as possible to exacerbate the scenario. Providence is seeing good strategic warfare, with the inclusion of a game limitation or two, and so let's not cloud the water too much with the typical smacktalking.
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 17:35:00 - [52] I am not going to start disputing figures or quoting stats but the fact is it is a bit rich to start moaning about our allies when you have used approx 160-200 allies in your assualts against an alliance that can muster a very small fraction of that number. We are smaller than CVA in the first place. If we are to survive against your combined assualts then we are going to use allies. No need to sound so bitter about it. Attacking during low time is a perfectly good strategy and is one CVA have used in all their POS attacks. You would be idiots not to.
Maggot Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 17:37:00 - [53] Originally by: Paradoxex Talk is just talk. It rarely makes a battle, but can often ruin the feeling afterward. For our part, Einherjar Rising contributed to the main party inside X-R3, and held a blockade on the Misaba gate in R3 during the battle operations. Our blockade was extraordinarily successful, especially for only lasting an hour or so, netting us well over 20 ship kills and in excess of 40 capsule kills. Ships sizes were of various sizes, though all pilots were surely en route or in retreat from the battle. We enjoyed ourselves, as we have this entire conflict. One thing this conflict was originally based on was mutual respect by all of those involved. UK and CVA reputedly like each other OOC. Well this is is an OOC forum, and so it would make sense if everyone involved, including the allies on both sides, did as little as possible to exacerbate the scenario. Providence is seeing good strategic warfare, with the inclusion of a game limitation or two, and so let's not cloud the water too much with the typical smacktalking. Word
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 17:37:00 - [54] Originally by: Solusar I just did a quick count to amuse myself. Of the capitals that killed yours during that fight, there were 12 CVA and 5 Severence, so the majority of the fleet was CVA capitals. The fleet that attacked our capitals contained 5 capitals, 2 of those belonged to Ushra'Khan. The fleet also contained 70 battleships. 10 of those were Ushra'Khan battleships. Quit whining. I saw plenty of IAC in X-R3 too. For the record, we had more than 10 BS and from what I can tell from our killboard CVA had 17. And that's not counting NOS, VV, Pie et al. I am deeply displeased on how CVA handles this.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.13 17:55:00 - [55] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne your forces decided to attack the least defended pos first. Hello, anyone home? We only came in to kill your Capital Shipyard. Based on this mission objective, can you guess why we might have attacked that POS? And based on the fact that we placed more emphasis on defending the other structures in the system, can you guess how important the shipyard was considered to be? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Cassandra Bontecou Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 18:00:00 - [56] Originally by: Mangold I am deeply displeased on how CVA handles this. It's safe to say the feeling is mutual.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 18:03:00 - [57] Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou Originally by: Mangold I am deeply displeased on how CVA handles this. It's safe to say the feeling is mutual. i am not its gonna help me thure on mondays boredom Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Cassandra Bontecou Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 18:09:00 - [58] Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: Cassandra Bontecou Originally by: Mangold I am deeply displeased on how CVA handles this. It's safe to say the feeling is mutual. i am not its gonna help me thure on mondays boredom That's the beauty of being a bum; you're all so easy to amuse
Abn Matar Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.13 18:14:00 - [59] Originally by: Lilan Kahn mommy IAC Bitter much? -------------------------------------------------- http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2310/16fd9c37ebc3fd5ee8fab1c1a8d9ca7fkr8.gif Your signature is larger than the forum allowed dimensions ( 400x120x 24000 bytes) . Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 18:20:00 - [60] Originally by: Solusar We lost 1, yes shock horror, ONE POS. The sky is surely falling. We will now pack up and go home UK continue to attack CVA POS at times when our numbers are low, they come out at times when our numbers are high and are recharged. This has been happening repeatedly. Well, this is rather silly, isn't it, especially given that two of your large POS in 9UY have already been destroyed Yesterday, you lost the single most symbolic POS in your possession. It's a huge morale victory for UK. It was in your home system. You outnumbered UK & friends. Still you failed to save it. And, you took heavy losses. Admit it - you thought 9UY would be yours by this weekend. That was the plan, that was the expectation. What do you have instead? 7 capitals down, over 100 BS lost, and several of your POS including the Capital Shipyards in your home system - destroyed. Nothing about your campaign to enslave the innocent population of Unity station has gone to plan, so far. No amount of spin can make it better. Not that you can see through your Amarrian pride and face up to it. Does this mean you have lost the war? No. Will you ultimately take Unity? Perhaps. But one week after the invasion of 9UY - you have to admit, that fighting over your home system, and losing your capital shipyard... well, it wasnt exactly the plan ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Gegi Wau Minmatar Liberty Labs	Posted - 2007.05.13 19:03:00 - [61] lifts eyebrow Fascinating. If one is to believe CVA, yesterday was another glorious day for the Amarr Empire. "We didn't need that POS anyway, na nana na na ner!" It's almost like the attackers did them a favour by getting rid of it. You know, if the shipyard was so friggin' useless, you could have saved Ushra'Khan and friends a lot of trouble by simply trashing it. This was a kick in the nuts for CVA, but of course they'd never admit that. Downplaying the enemy's successes is a time-honored propaganda trick, after all. AMARRES EUNT DOMUS
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 19:17:00 - [62] Originally by: Abn Matar Originally by: Lilan Kahn mommy IAC Bitter much? the more you bleed, the more wolfs are showing up for the kil enjoy your space while you have it Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 20:49:00 - [63] Originally by: Abn Matar Originally by: Lilan Kahn mommy IAC Bitter much? CVA i'll take a bit of flak from, they at least know how to fight. How many cap ships did you lose today again? Just as well you guys weren't meant to be helping CVA tonight... god only knows what you'd have been able to send the way you seem to be getting pasted. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 22:14:00 - [64] Originally by: Sapphrine Originally by: Abn Matar Originally by: Lilan Kahn mommy IAC Bitter much? CVA i'll take a bit of flak from, they at least know how to fight. How many cap ships did you lose today again? Just as well you guys weren't meant to be helping CVA tonight... god only knows what you'd have been able to send the way you seem to be getting pasted. Taking lessons from Butters now? Smacking people about fights that you wernt involved in?
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 22:17:00 - [65] Originally by: Mangold Originally by: Solusar I just did a quick count to amuse myself. Of the capitals that killed yours during that fight, there were 12 CVA and 5 Severence, so the majority of the fleet was CVA capitals. The fleet that attacked our capitals contained 5 capitals, 2 of those belonged to Ushra'Khan. The fleet also contained 70 battleships. 10 of those were Ushra'Khan battleships. Quit whining. I saw plenty of IAC in X-R3 too. For the record, we had more than 10 BS and from what I can tell from our killboard CVA had 17. And that's not counting NOS, VV, Pie et al. I am deeply displeased on how CVA handles this. Your deeply dissapointed at how CVA has handled this? Every CVA post here is a reply to a claim by either butters or one of your own members. Id suggest talking to them before pointing fingers.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 22:21:00 - [66] sob sob sob you have to do work now to achive some thing and not just blob others i am soooo sad on your behalf Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Tar Kovsky Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 22:28:00 - [67] Having the upper hand (at least for a moment) is such a novel experience for our "rag-tag band of freedom fighters" that I'm afraid none of us really knows how to react.
steamy The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 22:48:00 - [68] There is one thing I have learned from Flying with U'K and friends, they just bring it. They don;t care if they are outnumbered, they get in their ships, scream slavers and start shooting. While this tactic is fun, it often let them to loose in the past. The battles in 9UY have been fun, for a change U'K and friends won. Let's be honest, they did win of CVA for the first time. What's even more important are some of their new allies, not allies that are in the RP community, but allies that respect the way U'K operates in Providence. Providence without U'K will mean that CVA no longer needs space, and since it's 0.0 CVA is on the wrong side. I think the only thing that can safe CVA is U'K, now that's funny to think of right? By attacking 9uy, CVA basically said: get out, we want to control providence. That is not going to happen. when it becomes apparent that it's not going to happen, CVA starts complaining? why, you get all the good fights you wanted for so long.. I'm a bit dissapointed in CVA now, I thought you guys had more style. Steamy If you only look at the road ahead, Life isn't worth the trip -- Dante
Kabajashi San Minmatar Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 23:18:00 - [69] A great day for UK and allies. CVA came to 9uy with the intent to pick it like an apple from the tree. Now all of the sudden they have to worry about defending their own outposts. If you stretch your lines too far, they become weak and the enemy might break through. A mistake made by generals too greedy. We will see if you learn from it. And if you return to fighting instead of forum posting.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.13 23:42:00 - [70] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 13/05/2007 23:43:43 I am incredibly dissapointed in about 90% of the people on this thread. Get a grip. This is an OOC forum not an IC one. Save the rhetoric for the IC forums, please, and quit smacking on here. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Abn Matar Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.13 23:44:00 - [71] Originally by: steamy There is one thing I have learned from Flying with U'K and friends, they just bring it. They don;t care if they are outnumbered, they get in their ships, scream slavers and start shooting. While this tactic is fun, it often let them to loose in the past. The battles in 9UY have been fun, for a change U'K and friends won. Let's be honest, they did win of CVA for the first time. What's even more important are some of their new allies, not allies that are in the RP community, but allies that respect the way U'K operates in Providence. Providence without U'K will mean that CVA no longer needs space, and since it's 0.0 CVA is on the wrong side. I think the only thing that can safe CVA is U'K, now that's funny to think of right? By attacking 9uy, CVA basically said: get out, we want to control providence. That is not going to happen. when it becomes apparent that it's not going to happen, CVA starts complaining? why, you get all the good fights you wanted for so long.. I'm a bit dissapointed in CVA now, I thought you guys had more style. Every time ive fought UK they have disengaged and created a blob and then they want to fight, so i think youre wrong mr -------------------------------------------------- http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/2310/16fd9c37ebc3fd5ee8fab1c1a8d9ca7fkr8.gif Your signature is larger than the forum allowed dimensions ( 400x120x 24000 bytes) . Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.14 00:24:00 - [72] Originally by: Sapphrine Originally by: Abn Matar Originally by: Lilan Kahn mommy IAC Bitter much? CVA i'll take a bit of flak from, they at least know how to fight. How many cap ships did you lose today again? Just as well you guys weren't meant to be helping CVA tonight... god only knows what you'd have been able to send the way you seem to be getting pasted. We lost 5 and went to help CVA afterwards with a gang of 60, but as it turned out they didn't need any help. I guess U'K are completely incapable of accomplishing anything without daddy 0utbreak there holding your hand? http://eve.klaki.net/
Ysira Amarr Mortis et Excidium Cold Steel Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.14 00:27:00 - [73] As far as I am concerned, this attack has done 1 major thing: It has seriously destabilized the current situation in Providence and lower Domain. The appearance of Ushra'Khan allied forces, roaming pirate gangs and all those "war-tourists" ended the period of peace around R3/Misaba. In the first days rumor was spread that CVA would lose the war, maybe its hold in Providence and that the terrorists will take over. It was told that a dark age would be cast upon Providence. I honestly doubt that this will happen soon, but as I said, it has disturbed the quiet waters. When I logged in that day, the chat was all like: "Its war! They kicked all CVA POS to reinforced! OMG, gatecamps all over Providence!" While the weeks before it was more like: "Someone in for PVP? There are hostiles reported somewhere in Providence, maybe we'll see some interceptors which are too fast to lock down..." So times have changed. At least from my perspective. I can't comment on the importance of the destruction of the CVA capital shipyard, because this is something only the CVA leadership can. It might be an idealistic victory, it might be something more, but as far as I know it was never announced while defending that there was an important asset to defend. In the end the lag of doom(tm) killed the battle and half of Providence and Domain, so victory goes to CCP. Each side surely had some goals in this engagement. If they were fulfilled, only they can tell for themselves. It is easy to say that one has fulfilled a previously set goals, but if it is true, is not verifyable. When the goals were truly set like this, both sides have won a victory. If not, then one side has lost but is not honest enough to grant their enemy a victory. I can't tell, so I say: Both have won, in their own ways and goals. I am with CVA in this battle, they have provided safety and freedom to Providence. While this might not be the freedom some people aspire, it was safe to travel and go around CVA controlled space, even for unknown people. (Please note, this is a personal statement and no official statment or announcement by either my corporation or my alliance.) (And on another note: I absolutly despise people who take ingame events so seriously and flame each other on the boards. RP as much as you like, but then keep such things clear and in the IC board. There is no need to cry, flame or smack.)
master bates Amarr Smoking Hillbillys The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.05.14 01:23:00 - [74] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 13/05/2007 14:03:36 Originally by: Ikar Kaltin And JASMINE, what is with the "look at me, oooo oooo here me me me" attitude you seem to have. At every turn you seem to be trying to draw attention to yourself. You seem to bloat up your own role alot, to play things to how great you were. Considering there were those 40+ battleships on the gate, and they didnt jump in to slaughter you maybe implies something about what our goals were and that all that were coming from misaba were already there? Those that engaged you in misaba were neutrals trying to do whatever they were doing. You dont actually realise your such a minor part of everything that no one actually cares about you, and that the fact that you have to draw attention to yourself is not a good thing... Ikar, we killed 14 BS and lost 1. We stopped all CVA friendly reinforcements moving through R3 for 3 hours. Stamp your feet all you like. Thats the raw facts. So take a chill pill and relax. Fighting is happening and don't choke on the propaganda mate. PS. SF don't shoot neutrals so stop telling fibs. and you stopped us very well. i had a 13 man bs gang inbound with to assist cva so mr Ikar Kaltin you saying that star fraction engaged neutrals only upsets me since volt have always been long standing friends with cva since our alliance started Our losses were mainly due to a miscommuincation on teamspeak one our guys for some reason decided to sit outside station in misaba in his apoc and got engaged by the star fraction mega that died we undocked thinking hed aggroed the mega back and proceeded to blitz that mega, ofc he hadnt aggroed and redocked briskly as the star fraction bs gang came in and wasted us. I do think cva had spies in their channels tho tbh as myself as fc was primaried instantly in my apoc even tho there were 2 scorps in my gang which seemed very unusual and made us suspicious, we got admittedly pwned by star fraction and i congratulate them on successfully preventin us from helping cva we lost 7 bs in the attack, the 2 scorps actually survived and proceeded to fly a suicide run into x-r hehe and got popped on the way whilst everyone else returned home. Altho from what i have read here and been told by people the lag was that bad it was probably a good thing we didnt go into x-r
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.14 01:35:00 - [75] Originally by: master bates Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 13/05/2007 14:03:36 Originally by: Ikar Kaltin And JASMINE, what is with the "look at me, oooo oooo here me me me" attitude you seem to have. At every turn you seem to be trying to draw attention to yourself. You seem to bloat up your own role alot, to play things to how great you were. Considering there were those 40+ battleships on the gate, and they didnt jump in to slaughter you maybe implies something about what our goals were and that all that were coming from misaba were already there? Those that engaged you in misaba were neutrals trying to do whatever they were doing. You dont actually realise your such a minor part of everything that no one actually cares about you, and that the fact that you have to draw attention to yourself is not a good thing... Ikar, we killed 14 BS and lost 1. We stopped all CVA friendly reinforcements moving through R3 for 3 hours. Stamp your feet all you like. Thats the raw facts. So take a chill pill and relax. Fighting is happening and don't choke on the propaganda mate. PS. SF don't shoot neutrals so stop telling fibs. and you stopped us very well. i had a 13 man bs gang inbound with to assist cva so mr Ikar Kaltin you saying that star fraction engaged neutrals only upsets me since volt have always been long standing friends with cva since our alliance started Our losses were mainly due to a miscommuincation on teamspeak one our guys for some reason decided to sit outside station in misaba in his apoc and got engaged by the star fraction mega that died we undocked thinking hed aggroed the mega back and proceeded to blitz that mega, ofc he hadnt aggroed and redocked briskly as the star fraction bs gang came in and wasted us. I do think cva had spies in their channels tho tbh as myself as fc was primaried instantly in my apoc even tho there were 2 scorps in my gang which seemed very unusual and made us suspicious, we got admittedly pwned by star fraction and i congratulate them on successfully preventin us from helping cva we lost 7 bs in the attack, the 2 scorps actually survived and proceeded to fly a suicide run into x-r hehe and got popped on the way whilst everyone else returned home. Altho from what i have read here and been told by people the lag was that bad it was probably a good thing we didnt go into x-r Thank you for that Master Bates, lot of respect to you for telling it like it happened. And it was a good enjoy enjoyable sequence of fights on that route. See you again soon. Star Fraction is recruiting
Tareen Kashaar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.14 01:37:00 - [76] Originally by: master bates I do think cva had spies in their channels tho tbh as myself as fc was primaried instantly in my apoc even tho there were 2 scorps in my gang which seemed very unusual and made us suspicious I think it might have more to do with your catchy name actually I wasn't there but was listening in on vent, and it was hard not to laugh at the names of the primaries called --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.14 01:45:00 - [77] Originally by: Tareen Kashaar Originally by: master bates I do think cva had spies in their channels tho tbh as myself as fc was primaried instantly in my apoc even tho there were 2 scorps in my gang which seemed very unusual and made us suspicious I think it might have more to do with your catchy name actually I wasn't there but was listening in on vent, and it was hard not to laugh at the names of the primaries called I almost fell off my chair laughing listening to those: "primary target is MASTER BATES - repeat MASTER BATES is primary." "secondary is Foamy Pipe Snake - Foamy Pipe snake is secondary." "Master bates is done, tacklers get a grip on Foamy Pipe Snake." "New secondary is Man Love, hit him up next!" I thought our FC was having a laugh to be honest until the wrecks started appearing Star Fraction is recruiting
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.14 02:50:00 - [78] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Originally by: Sapphrine Originally by: Abn Matar Originally by: Lilan Kahn mommy IAC Bitter much? CVA i'll take a bit of flak from, they at least know how to fight. How many cap ships did you lose today again? Just as well you guys weren't meant to be helping CVA tonight... god only knows what you'd have been able to send the way you seem to be getting pasted. We lost 5 and went to help CVA afterwards with a gang of 60, but as it turned out they didn't need any help. I guess U'K are completely incapable of accomplishing anything without daddy 0utbreak there holding your hand? I do hope you think more tactically about your other fights. What possible reason would we have to attack another pos after leaving the other two yesterday? Hit and fade tyrrax, hit and fade. As I actually stated in this thread hours ago, we hit the other pos as a bonus. Goodluck in your war with BoB. I hope you're paying KIA alot to go head to head with Outbreak. I just wish EveTV was starting now :) Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
mamolian Vortex. Maelstrom Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.14 03:24:00 - [79] Edited by: mamolian on 14/05/2007 03:22:46 Slavers in supercapitals.. what a terrifying though. While I mourn for the technicians who perished with the capital ship yards, I rejoice they were removed before yet even more supercapitals enter the fray. Its bad enough Hera roams at will. Or goes "back" to roaming, when the funs over -------------------------------
Vandamsel Gallente Dead Eagle North Star Confederation	Posted - 2007.05.14 03:32:00 - [80] Edited by: Vandamsel on 14/05/2007 03:33:54
Salr Ayshuermei Amarr Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.05.14 04:06:00 - [81] Another magnificent victory for the champions of liberty and freedom against those who oppress the weak and the innocent. In my younger days I was delusional enough to think that the CVA actually stood for something good and noble. I was wrong. Congrats to Ushra'Khan on this achievement. May victory be with you.
Pezzle Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.14 04:40:00 - [82] Pezzle Smiles
Arenis Xemdal Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.14 04:45:00 - [83] I was under the mistaken impression the war between CVA and Ushra'Khan was over ideals. This leads me to question why the mighty servants of the Amarr Empire, whom I've fought with before, are asking for aid from the likes of IAC against a numerically inferior force. It also makes me wonder why the Ushra'Khan waste time targetting some production facilities, when you should be aiming for their pride & willpower. And surely, the involvement of so many outsiders dilutes the victory. How can you possibly instill fear in one another? How do you propose to inspire members, when your backbone is on mail order? Things were a lot better when the Amarr had an Emperor, and the Minmatar were unloved. At this rate I'm not sure what to think, when all I see is another faceless sovereignty war. You might as well merge and form a Providence superpower, since that is all you want.
steamy The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.14 04:51:00 - [84] Originally by: Abn Matar Originally by: steamy my own stuff.. Every time ive fought UK they have disengaged and created a blob and then they want to fight, so i think youre wrong mr lol, an IAC guy blames other Alliances for blobbing, the irony go shoot Outbreak, while you still can.. All CVA has to do is say "good fight", U'K has admitted that on a regular basis, it's a game nothing more. CVA just has to get of it's high horse, stop whining and complaining and face the fact that they lost a good battle (at least the jump in). But it was a good battle nonetheless. Steamy If you only look at the road ahead, Life isn't worth the trip -- Dante
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.14 06:21:00 - [85] Quote: I was under the mistaken impression the war between CVA and Ushra'Khan was over ideals. This leads me to question why the mighty servants of the Amarr Empire, whom I've fought with before, are asking for aid from the likes of IAC against a numerically inferior force. It also makes me wonder why the Ushra'Khan waste time targetting some production facilities, when you should be aiming for their pride & willpower. In case you haven't realized it yet, its hardly CVA+Amarr vs U'K+Other terrorist types alone in this fight. And hasn't been for, oh, years. Though, It is still a war over IC ideals and not OOC ones. I fail entirely to understand why a war over ideals should not escalate just like any other war, or why people expect a war which has been slowly escalating outside of the strictly "RP" community for something on the lines of two years to not wax and wane like any other war. Basically, and this goes to just about everyone looking in who I have seen make comments about what the longest running war in EVE should be in the last two weeks as well as Arenis, please educate yourself a little on what is going on in providence and has been brewing ever since both U'K and CVA became established in the region. It might just be a better course than making false assumptions about how the war between them is going. And once you have educated yourself so that you don't make such false presumptions, please just sit back and let the fireworks fly rather than presuming to tell either the U'K or the CVA how to fight their IC war on an OOC forum. Or better yet, compose those thoughts ICly and put them on the Corp and Org summit or the IGS so they can be met with the condescending Amarrian arrogance and outright terrorist hostility they deserve. Thank you. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Mindlles 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.14 06:27:00 - [86] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk We lost 5 and went to help CVA afterwards with a gang of 60, but as it turned out they didn't need any help. I guess U'K are completely incapable of accomplishing anything without daddy 0utbreak there holding your hand? We are one little corp between u big bad alliancens, being a daddy is hardly right to put it ;)
Amalas Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.14 07:09:00 - [87] I'd just like to say good job to the enemy interdictor pilots that managed to get behind us and bubble up a number of gates on our escape route. I was one of the battleships popped due to the skills of these pilots and I was mildly ****ed that my T2 Tempest's only kill was a cruiser! As for the arguments of lag. I have heard pilots on our side complain of being lagged out so bad that they missed the entire fight. CVA pilots have complained of the same thing so it's fair to say it effected both sides and shouldn't be used as an excuse by anyone. In the past both sides have claimed OOC respect and in many cases friendship, it seems this war is bringing out the worse in all of us. I kill slavers for fun but for a Vagabond I'll carve them up real good.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.14 07:14:00 - [88] Originally by: Solusar Taking lessons from Butters now? Smacking people about fights that you wernt involved in? Perhaps you are confusing me for someone else? I've been killing CVA and friends for a long time now, and you know it. I was also in X-R (as O Thief), so less of the BS thank you. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Je'hira Osiris Minmatar Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.05.14 08:09:00 - [89] Originally by: Solusar Hmm, where are CVA pilots getting "all wound up?" UK are pawning this off as a major victory in terms of the war when in reality it changes nothing. That is all we are pointing out I believe. Congratulations on killing the POS ofcourse, but it is not some sort of strategic victory. Karishals Folly is still in CVA hands. All of the POS deployed by UK in CVA systems have been destroyed. CVA still maintains POS in 9UY and system superiority for the majority of the time. The majority of the fighting is being done by outbreak/evoke/chaos incarnate. No one is complaining about this, just pointing this out. We lost 1, yes shock horror, ONE POS. The sky is surely falling. We will now pack up and go home UK continue to attack CVA POS at times when our numbers are low, they come out at times when our numbers are high and are recharged. This has been happening repeatedly. I suggest the "bragging" stops until the dust settles. Nice to see all the smack is coming from one organisation as usual. Waves to butters Wars are not won in 1 day, and once again its down to others to point out you have lost 4 pos's to UK loss of 1 and that one we didnt even get up. If your going to bend the truth as most ppl do on the fourms take a more middle ground. Respect can be found for your enemy.... its jus a case of how hard you wanna look...
Occasus Vim Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.14 10:36:00 - [90] I think this is my first post in this forum, mostly because a few people I have a lot of respect for usually say "Avoid CAOD, it's usually just a ****ing contest, and not worth your time." I see how that's true, but there's also some good stuff here too. IMO, propaganda is for the IC boards. OOC conflicts between players on opposing sides strikes me as sad as, say, when professional athletes harbor contempt instead of respect for other athletes in their field. One thing my commanders told me (OOC) when I first joined U'K was that our long standing conflict with CVA was riddled with class, that they had good relationships with our 'enemies' OOC. I really liked that, and I am always heartened when people like Garreck or Gaven post, sometimes even on our own boards. I feel like we're playing the game together at those times, instead feeling like it's 13yr. old boys beating on each other for a self-esteem boost (over the internet, no less). Both sides have individuals who take it a little too seriously. It's inevitable I think, when you consider the kind of commitment and tactics are needed to succeed in this game, especially in terms of "sovreignty" success. This game is politically intense, because you can't access a lot of the games features without a team. So, you have to impress people, whether you are roleplaying or not. This conflict would not be very interesting without allies (and would probably consist of U'K getting absolutely pasted). CVA have played a political game (which necessarily disregards "RP" boundaries) which has worked wonders for them. They found something that worked, and excelled with it. U'K on the other hand is still learning some of the political ropes in 0.0. Because success out in nullsec space means playing the OOC game as well as you can, the dimensions of our conflict necessarily expand. The difference is, I am not fighting CVA, PIE, VV, AM, etc. because I want to wipe them off the map and win EVE. If it ever comes to something like that for me, I think I will quit the game (just a personal preference, it is a legitimate motivation for others, just not myself). No, I am fighting them based on an IC context that each side digs as a pretext for healthy competition between folks all over the world. In the end, nothing is really lost, but its fun as hell. The recent turn in tides pleases me not just because we are doing well (relative to some moments in the past), but because it makes everything more interesting, which supports my reasons for playing the game. If either side just rolled over the other, it would be boring, and in our search for a real challenge, the less likely we would be to find opponents who play "our style" of game, by which I mean people who are on the same frequency, motivation wise. In other words, I never want the Amarrian loyalists to be completely smashed and disband. If such an thing happened, I would probably pirate or something for a few months, get bored, and then move on from EVE. What I do want is what I understand has been happening for a long while now: The wheel always turns, sometimes up, sometimes down, and we continue to grow and challenge each other. Any friends I make in the heat of battle is only because I have enemies making friends on the other side. The wheel will always keep turning. I think if U'K ever experienced total crushing defeat, we would adapt, stick together, and rise in a new incarnation. However, if our counterparts wouldn't want us to reincarnate, to carry on the story with them, I would say we are either fighting the wrong people, or we have ourselves completely lost perspective on the game we are choosing to play together. The enjoyment here for me is in the teamwork, in achieving objectives with alliance mates. My enemies, you provide a framework, a reason for that teamwork, so I thank you. I hope that we can respond by making your game challenging enough that meeting those challenges improves enjoyment of the game for you and yours.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.14 10:51:00 - [91] Occasus - best post of the thread. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.14 10:57:00 - [92] Originally by: Rodj Blake Occasus - best post of the thread. I second that motion (you arrogant amarrian pigdog ) Now Recruiting
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.14 10:58:00 - [93] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal I was under the mistaken impression the war between CVA and Ushra'Khan was over ideals. This leads me to question why the mighty servants of the Amarr Empire, whom I've fought with before, are asking for aid from the likes of IAC against a numerically inferior force. It also makes me wonder why the Ushra'Khan waste time targetting some production facilities, when you should be aiming for their pride & willpower. And surely, the involvement of so many outsiders dilutes the victory. How can you possibly instill fear in one another? How do you propose to inspire members, when your backbone is on mail order? Things were a lot better when the Amarr had an Emperor, and the Minmatar were unloved. At this rate I'm not sure what to think, when all I see is another faceless sovereignty war. You might as well merge and form a Providence superpower, since that is all you want. My dear Arenis, perhaps you underestimate the sheer destructive power of some of these inferior race forces brought to bear on the Amarr of Providence ? There is no dishonor in bringing sufficient force to counter a threat to the Empire's interests, CVA was clearly outgunned by the addition of 0utbreak to the terrorist's menageri and they would've been severely neglectful of their duties not to do whatever was in their power to rectify the situation. CVA did not request IAC assistance until they felt they needed it, personally I would have called for backup a lot sooner in their position, but then I've never been shy to call in backup. http://eve.klaki.net/
Ace101 Dark Knights of Deneb	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:10:00 - [94] Lag sucks tbh lol, you cant teach an old dog new smak ey butters?
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:17:00 - [95] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal I was under the mistaken impression the war between CVA and Ushra'Khan was over ideals. This leads me to question why the mighty servants of the Amarr Empire, whom I've fought with before, are asking for aid from the likes of IAC against a numerically inferior force. It also makes me wonder why the Ushra'Khan waste time targetting some production facilities, when you should be aiming for their pride & willpower. And surely, the involvement of so many outsiders dilutes the victory. How can you possibly instill fear in one another? How do you propose to inspire members, when your backbone is on mail order? Things were a lot better when the Amarr had an Emperor, and the Minmatar were unloved. At this rate I'm not sure what to think, when all I see is another faceless sovereignty war. You might as well merge and form a Providence superpower, since that is all you want. I'd say you are right to say it is over ideals but somewhat wrong in your assumption that attacking the CVA shipyard was about territory. We attacked a Capital Ship yard, in their home system, when the week before they'd launched an all out assault on our home system... For an enemy that CVA have considered severely weakened after QR- I think that was fairly clear cut a morale hit on CVA. I'm sure the fact that on top of a CVA offensive being utterly derailed, CVA cap ships actually dying in combat to U'K and friends, the way that we managed to actually threaten a systems soverignty and killed their shipyard has got to start to raise a couple doubts in CVA's rank and file. I feel you really don't understand this conflict if you honestly think this is all about territory. I have no doubt that if we were ever able to knock the CVA back to empire, they would regroup, bide their time and then launch a counter offensive on us. It is afterall what i'd do if they ever did it to us. CVA will never have an easy time of it in providence or anywhere, thats the fun of this war :) Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Gegi Wau Minmatar Liberty Labs	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:18:00 - [96] Occasus, very nice post. It made me regret some of the smackier comments I posted earlier. In the end, it's just a game - albeit a game that a lot of us (myself included) sometimes take a little too seriously. Still, a "good fight" from our adversaries would have been nice, but meh. AMARRES EUNT DOMUS
Kade Jeekin Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:21:00 - [97] Unlike others I aim to completely destroy the Amarran paramilitaries using the game mechanics without using metagaming. Is a challenge and will probably keep me in EVE for a good while yet. As to flying with Outbreak, Evoke, EST, ENH, Chaos and BUM - none of these guys metagame and UK have always respected their PVP abilities. It is an honour to have them leading and participating in operations with us. I hope we can teach them a thing or two too. --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity ---------------------------------------
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:24:00 - [98] Originally by: Mindlles Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk We lost 5 and went to help CVA afterwards with a gang of 60, but as it turned out they didn't need any help. I guess U'K are completely incapable of accomplishing anything without daddy 0utbreak there holding your hand? We are one little corp between u big bad alliancens, being a daddy is hardly right to put it ;) Well calling outbreak little corp is for sure.. very far from true. If something is true , is that outbreak deserve the respect on the field as any of the powerfull alliances. Asking for help when you are under attack by powerfull and experienced guys like outbreak and evoke is nothing to ashame. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
master bates Amarr Smoking Hillbillys The Volition Cult	Posted - 2007.05.14 11:31:00 - [99] Originally by: Tareen Kashaar Originally by: master bates I do think cva had spies in their channels tho tbh as myself as fc was primaried instantly in my apoc even tho there were 2 scorps in my gang which seemed very unusual and made us suspicious I think it might have more to do with your catchy name actually I wasn't there but was listening in on vent, and it was hard not to laugh at the names of the primaries called catchy names ftw altho actually now that I think about it I always get primaried
Lowanaera Amarr Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:04:00 - [100] Edited by: Lowanaera on 14/05/2007 15:04:03 Originally by: Arenis Xemdal I was under the mistaken impression the war between CVA and Ushra'Khan was over ideals. This leads me to question why the mighty servants of the Amarr Empire, whom I've fought with before, are asking for aid from the likes of IAC against a numerically inferior force. To clarify, as I haven't seen this point addressed, the U'K bloc is by far not the numerically inferior force. In nearly every single engagement, they have outnumbered us in both raw pilots and (usually significantly thanks to Evoke and Outbreak) especially T2 snipers. They additionally have the ability to field 4 supercapitals, and a larger number of conventional capitals. Saturday's defense of X-R was the first time we had more pilots on the field (thanks in no small part due to the 50 IAC there), but we again were badly outnumbered in available snipers, especially after we lost most of ours due to the server lag and failure to load the grid as the enemy jumped into system. Evoke also wasn't present at that engagement. Calling U'K a numerically inferior force would be accurate were we only fighting U'K, but as pointed out many times, U'K often make up a minority of the total hostile force, and we have to contend with BUM, ENH, CI, EST, Evoke, and Outbreak.
Calypso's Wrath Caldari Black Watch Legionnaires	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:10:00 - [101] I for one would like to thank CVA (/NOS/Northstar/whoever else was red) for sending the aforementioned ôre-enforcementsö through the Misaba gate in R3 û one at a time. That was the bestest gate camp ever! Loot re-distribution was profitable. It was really weird to see the Star Fraction group jump into R3, and 20mins later show up. UK my friends, good job BWL is proud to support you o/ Slavers must die.
Jason Marshall Hammer Of Light	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:14:00 - [102] I would like to thank all of the reds in local keping the atomosphere light and fun. Saw some old friends, and was able to re-enforce my postition on the whole CVA UK conflict. See you in 9u. Tacky Lensflares in sigs ftw
Jason Marshall Hammer Of Light	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:27:00 - [103] UK can claim a battle victory here, but when was the last time you captured an outpost? And maybe concesntraiting on the hostile outpost a mere 2 jumps from your beloved UNITY Station. Either way....i managed to aquire some slaves through this conflict. The number of survivors that came off of that destroyed dreadnaught, is going to keep my cattle farm working to capacity for a long time. And for the surplus... Convo me for prices. Tacky Lensflares in sigs ftw
Calypso's Wrath Caldari Black Watch Legionnaires	Posted - 2007.05.14 15:45:00 - [104] Originally by: Jason Marshall UK can claim a battle victory here, but when was the last time you captured an outpost? And maybe concesntraiting on the hostile outpost a mere 2 jumps from your beloved UNITY Station. Either way....i managed to aquire some slaves through this conflict. The number of survivors that came off of that destroyed dreadnaught, is going to keep my cattle farm working to capacity for a long time. And for the surplus... Convo me for prices. Your on my list of people to visit. Please get in your really shiny ship (with your faction mods) and go wander Providance, Please kthx
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.14 16:13:00 - [105] Originally by: James Lyrus Lag favours the defender (that would be you) - both sides face it, but the people with the prepared position start off stronger. Thank you for saying it before I did as I was trying to wrap my brain around their logic and how they were left out in the cold.
Rylet VanDorn Pastafarians Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.14 16:24:00 - [106] Originally by: Derran Originally by: James Lyrus Lag favours the defender (that would be you) - both sides face it, but the people with the prepared position start off stronger. Thank you for saying it before I did as I was trying to wrap my brain around their logic and how they were left out in the cold. If you read the CVA posts, though, it indicates their snipers failed to load the grid. IE: They were not in a prepared position. My assumption is that they were likely at a centralized location in the system, and then warped to the gate you were coming through once the info was relayed. Ultimately no-one seemed to be favored.
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.14 16:29:00 - [107] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk We lost 5 and went to help CVA afterwards with a gang of 60, but as it turned out they didn't need any help. I guess U'K are completely incapable of accomplishing anything without daddy 0utbreak there holding your hand? How come nothing that comes out of your mouth is not outrageously funny in its hypocracy?
Marko Debreault 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.05.14 17:30:00 - [108] Outbreak has been travelling all over EVE fighting people for just over a year now. We've seen a lot of factions, attitudes, styles of fighting, and wrecks. The CVA/UK conflict ranks pretty highly among them. It's fun and classy. As Eddie said, we tried to confuse the campers in X-R. When the UK + friends gang entered X6, Outbreak warped to G-B22J and jumped in. G-B has an X-R gate as well. We warped to the X-R gate in G-B22J as the UK gang was landing on the X-R gate in X6AB. We were spotted when we went into G-B22J, and CVA shifted the all CVA sniper fleet over to the G-B22J gate in X-R. However, when UK landed on the X-R gate, CVA shifted their snipers back to the X6AB gate. This ended up being a deciding factor in the fight. As soon as they left our gate we jumped in. We knew that they had just left, so if they decided to come back we had bought ourselves around a minute to MWD out of the large warp bubble on the other side. Furthermore, they would be leaving warp and unaligned when they came back, so we could kill at least our first three targets, if they came back in. Even though we were supposed to jump in at the same time as UK, as soon as the CVA guys left our gate we jumped in, because it was the thing to do. We aligned to the X6AB gate in X-R and concentrated on killing the bubble. Roughly 45 seconds after we jumped in UK jumped in, according to the chat logs I have. We killed our large warp bubble exactly 2 minutes after we started shooting it - I think we had a lot of module activation delay. Now I don't know this for sure, but it's my belief that the CVA sniper fleet lagged out when they warped back into the X6AB gate. If they had been there the whole time and had the grid loaded as UK jumped in, they might have slaughtered the incoming UK fleet. But since they warped down to intercept the OB fleet, and then warped back in, they were lagged out, and UK got a 'get out of jail free' card. So 2 minutes after Outbreak loaded grid at the G-B22J gate in X-R we gang warped to our covops who was positioned at the X6AB gate. Roughly 2 minutes after warping in I was able to start locking things. It took around 45 seconds to lock a battleship and another minute or two (or three?) to activate my guns. About halfway through the fight I started shooting the secondary target, since by the time my guns activated everyone else would be shooting him anyways. When we were planning the fight, I thought there was a good chance we were all going to die. So did all the UK guys ... memorable quotes such as "I'll tell everyone that its a suicide mission" are always good to hear from your allies. After the fight was done I think we shot a POS or something. It built character. I hate building character.
Tart Kovsky Khumatari Holdings Administration	Posted - 2007.05.14 17:44:00 - [109] Originally by: Marko Debreault After the fight was done I think we shot a POS or something. It built character. I hate building character. <3
Rylet VanDorn Pastafarians Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.14 17:58:00 - [110] As someone who wasn't there (which surprised me... I'm curious as to when this whole thing went down. I was online most of yesterday & didn't hear anything about it) I'd have to say I'm most disappointed with how much Lag/Client difficulties affect the outcome of what would otherwise be a good fight. Does anyone else think it's a bit ridiculous that we spend hours upon hours planning out strategy, communicating to the parties involved, and navigating into position in an attempt to minimize losses and win the day... only to have what should be a great battle end up decided by lag and coding limitations outside our control? As a member of an anti-pirate alliance I'm coming to realize why so many people resort to piracy; it's the safest, most unrestricted way to engage in pvp. You pick your fights, often taking targets unprepared, and you don't have to worry about lag or load issues rendering you completely useless. As for all the talk of the allies being "brought in" to fight... well, consider the region. CVA, NOS, and those that live in that section of the providence region operate on an NRDS, anti-piracy doctrine. Most are defensive in nature. Meaning that the only enemy targets we get are either A) Raiding parties, or B) Lone recons, both of which are really just looking to score an easy kill. They come in, look around for anyone mining/ratting, ambush and overwhelm those they find, and then leave. They never hang around, and because the defense is reactionary, it's never formed in time to catch the enemy. That being the case, I'm thankful whenever we're invited to join in on the fun of a fight. That's probably why so many people show up to the CVA/UK fights. You mean we get to actually engage someone that isn't a cloaked AFK recon or group of gankers who leave the area before an opposing force can be assembled? We're all over that! Unfortunately from everything I've read, fleet combat just seems to devolve into a contest of who's lagging the worst.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:11:00 - [111] Originally by: Ace101 Lag sucks tbh lol, you cant teach an old dog new smak ey butters? Hehe. You know it ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:16:00 - [112] I'm with Rylet on this one. This all happened on Saturday (PST) and yes.. the lag was a BEAST. We had a 28 member Gang of Mixed BS/BC/Support and got through the X-R3 Gate and camped it with another Friendly gang of mixed alliances. We were ready to keep the gate from the large Star Fraction gang we knew was around, but was asked to support CVA by going to a POS and then attempting to pick off snipers at the POS Seige. We went to do that and MY GOD.. the lag was INSANE. My ship appeared to arrive and thought I was at the wrong moon... no one was there... for... se...ver...al......minutes and then POP everyone was there and our targets having been there and had the grid loaded either warped off or pre-locked us as we couldn't lock them. ( THIS IS NOT A BASH OR A SPLOIT CRY, it's just the way it was). We lost several ships, but not the entire force. I survived somehow! =-) It should be noted throughout this entire engagement (like others) we had members lose connections on several different occasions. Also we were unable to lock and fire on ships due to lag as well. From there we waited until the Alliance Force Commanders needed us... and then as many of the CVA cap ship came in.... the UK/Friends force disappeared.. leaving only cloaker recons. U'K killed the POS with the ship yards, which from the look of it was their goal. CVA held the system, which from the looks of it was their only concern during the attack. Well done all! Aind See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:20:00 - [113] Am I the only one getting utterly bored of CVA moaning about lag? You started a territorial POS war, what the hell did you expect? We were all happy in roaming gangs unless you escalated things. You reap what you sow ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:34:00 - [114] Originally by: Butter Dog Am I the only one getting utterly bored of CVA moaning about lag? You started a territorial POS war, what the hell did you expect? We were all happy in roaming gangs unless you escalated things. You reap what you sow Please Read and Educate yourself. I am not saying this is the ONLY reason for the escalation or that it's a good one or whatever. The most recent POS Spamming/Territory war has been smouldering for awhile and these two Posts from the respective leaders of U'K and CVA show who did what first recently. U'K Declaration CVA Response Keep in mind it's less important who did what first, but that it's been DONE and now we suffer the LAG BEAST Even CCP is complaining about the LAG CCP's Thingie So yeah, there was lag.. it happened.. it sucked.. it's done.. Aind See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:44:00 - [115] Seiging an outpost is not quite the same thing, as pew pew-ing at some random mining POS. The style of this conflict has been dictated by CVA, no-one else. Had they not rolled into 9UY with 150 people 10 days ago, they would have no cause to complain about lag. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:53:00 - [116] Originally by: Butter Dog Seiging an outpost is not quite the same thing, as pew pew-ing at some random mining POS. The style of this conflict has been dictated by CVA, no-one else. Had they not rolled into 9UY with 150 people 10 days ago, they would have no cause to complain about lag. Nice Minimzing of the facts! LOL (this is not WAAAAAAA At U'K, I'm enjoying the fight ) U'K Dropped a POS in NOS Space and.. as you put it.. pew pew'd at a NOS POS... in an attempt to take it down. I can only assume to try and take Sov in the system otherwise.. why else? CVA chose a better target such as QR and did the same thing but succeeded in reponse to U'K trying to get a backdoor to CVA Space and cutting off an Ally. The only difference is that they didn't succeed in their mission like CVA succeeded in QR. U'K would have been more than happy to take the QBL System if they could. I'm not trying to complain or play "TIT FOR TAT" on who started what. This is war and this is how it is. Both Alliances has outright explained who did what first, why are you arguing again? See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.14 18:56:00 - [117] The point I was making, is that I only see one side moaning about the lag - CVA. Ironic considering they escalated the conflict to Outpost seiges. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:11:00 - [118] Edited by: Aindrias on 14/05/2007 19:10:05 Originally by: Butter Dog The point I was making, is that I only see one side moaning about the lag - CVA. Ironic considering they escalated the conflict to Outpost seiges. U'K thought there was an Outpost or an OUtpost being built in QBL! READ THE ABOVE LINKS! edited for a mistake See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:28:00 - [119] Originally by: Marko Debreault Outbreak has been travelling all over EVE fighting people for just over a year now. We've seen a lot of factions, attitudes, styles of fighting, and wrecks. The CVA/UK conflict ranks pretty highly among them. It's fun and classy. As Eddie said, we tried to confuse the campers in X-R. When the UK + friends gang entered X6, Outbreak warped to G-B22J and jumped in. G-B has an X-R gate as well. We warped to the X-R gate in G-B22J as the UK gang was landing on the X-R gate in X6AB. We were spotted when we went into G-B22J, and CVA shifted the all CVA sniper fleet over to the G-B22J gate in X-R. However, when UK landed on the X-R gate, CVA shifted their snipers back to the X6AB gate. This ended up being a deciding factor in the fight. As soon as they left our gate we jumped in. We knew that they had just left, so if they decided to come back we had bought ourselves around a minute to MWD out of the large warp bubble on the other side. Furthermore, they would be leaving warp and unaligned when they came back, so we could kill at least our first three targets, if they came back in. Even though we were supposed to jump in at the same time as UK, as soon as the CVA guys left our gate we jumped in, because it was the thing to do. We aligned to the X6AB gate in X-R and concentrated on killing the bubble. Roughly 45 seconds after we jumped in UK jumped in, according to the chat logs I have. We killed our large warp bubble exactly 2 minutes after we started shooting it - I think we had a lot of module activation delay. Now I don't know this for sure, but it's my belief that the CVA sniper fleet lagged out when they warped back into the X6AB gate. If they had been there the whole time and had the grid loaded as UK jumped in, they might have slaughtered the incoming UK fleet. But since they warped down to intercept the OB fleet, and then warped back in, they were lagged out, and UK got a 'get out of jail free' card. So 2 minutes after Outbreak loaded grid at the G-B22J gate in X-R we gang warped to our covops who was positioned at the X6AB gate. Roughly 2 minutes after warping in I was able to start locking things. It took around 45 seconds to lock a battleship and another minute or two (or three?) to activate my guns. About halfway through the fight I started shooting the secondary target, since by the time my guns activated everyone else would be shooting him anyways. When we were planning the fight, I thought there was a good chance we were all going to die. So did all the UK guys ... memorable quotes such as "I'll tell everyone that its a suicide mission" are always good to hear from your allies. After the fight was done I think we shot a POS or something. It built character. I hate building character. This man is correct... ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:37:00 - [120] Originally by: Butter Dog The point I was making, is that I only see one side moaning about the lag - CVA. Ironic considering they escalated the conflict to Outpost seiges. Look BD please stop with the smack. I mentioned the lag in my first post not as a 'moan' but simply to explain the situation of the battle indeed I stated: "That's life I guess and it has favoured us in the past so can't complain." The fact is that 'the battle of XR' ended in pretty much a score draw, You got something you wanted, we got something we wanted. Leave it at that! ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Rylet VanDorn Pastafarians Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:38:00 - [121] Originally by: Butter Dog The point I was making, is that I only see one side moaning about the lag - CVA. Ironic considering they escalated the conflict to Outpost seiges. Butter, just to let you know, your posts are discrediting yourself and your corp. Your comments are basically giving you the image of someone who is contrary, abrasive, and brash. Since these traits are typically associated with the adolescent or immature, I have to assume you're a kid. In which case, hush little one, the adults are talking. If this is an incorrect conclusion, let me respond to your misguided assertation; My post was simply my observation of not just this report, but every battle report from large fleet engagements. Take a look around and you'll see reports of massive lag from almost anyone attempting to engage in this game's form of territorial war. I then expressed my dissatisfaction with this situation, and Aindrias agreed with me, giving his account of the situation. If you read his post you'll see that at no point was he blaming the outcome of the battle on the lag, only that it was a prevalent force, and difficult to deal with given that it would otherwise be a good fight. Nor was I, for that matter. The point of our posts wasn't to engage in the PR battle that people seem to enjoy waging on these forums. I personally feel that these PR battles are pointless and stupid. I had my fill of them playing WoW with people comparing E-peens. The point of the posts were to express dissatisfaction with the current state of the game, where actual, fair fleet battles seem impossible, and the outcome of any fight devolves into who lags less. This is something everyone (yourself included it would appear) just seems to accept. As a paying customer, I have trouble accepting it without question or comment.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:52:00 - [122] Funny. None of my posts are personal in nature. Disagreeable? Perhaps, especially if you are on the recieving end. But not personal. You just made a personal attack, and then claim I am the immature one. Hilarious. Do keep it up. You're a credit to your alliance. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Lowanaera Amarr Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.14 19:56:00 - [123] Rylet, this kind of smack is par for the course with Butterdog, neither insulting him nor reasoning with him is productive, he's one of those people it's best to just mentally filter out as if they don't exist.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.14 20:01:00 - [124] Originally by: Lowanaera Rylet, this kind of smack is par for the course with Butterdog, neither insulting him nor reasoning with him is productive, he's one of those people it's best to just mentally filter out as if they don't exist. Actually I've made a number of very reasonable posts (see my responses to Solusar's propaganda), which CVA have written off as 'smack', when they are nothing of the sort. Someone disagreeing with you, and pointing out a few facts you do not like, is not 'smack, its 'debate'. If you can't engage back on equal terms, and resort to insults, well... that is your prerogative. There has been more personally-tinted smack directed at me in this thread from CVA and friends, than any 'smack' you consider to have come from me. Forums are about debate. I don't agree with much of what CVA said, I have outlined why. Either respond like grown ups, or accept it. Ignoring people who are telling you that you might be wrong, and provide evidence of this, is generally not a convincing stance to take. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.14 20:11:00 - [125] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Lowanaera Rylet, this kind of smack is par for the course with Butterdog, neither insulting him nor reasoning with him is productive, he's one of those people it's best to just mentally filter out as if they don't exist. Actually I've made a number of very reasonable posts (see my responses to Solusar's propaganda), which CVA have written off as 'smack', when they are nothing of the sort. Someone disagreeing with you, and pointing out a few facts you do not like, is not 'smack, its 'debate'. If you can't engage back on equal terms, and resort to insults, well... that is your prerogative. There has been more personally-tinted smack directed at me in this thread from CVA and friends, than any 'smack' you consider to have come from me. Forums are about debate. I don't agree with much of what CVA said, I have outlined why. Either respond like grown ups, or accept it. Ignoring people who are telling you that you might be wrong, and provide evidence of this, is generally not a convincing stance to take. Hehe.. I guess most of us are telling you that you MIGHT BE WRONG ;-) and you still don't even concede what U'K and CVA have announced. Droit! See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.14 20:24:00 - [126] Edited by: Butter Dog on 14/05/2007 20:26:38 Originally by: Aindrias Hehe.. I guess most of us are telling you that you MIGHT BE WRONG ;-) and you still don't even concede what U'K and CVA have announced. Droit! There was no station in the system UK attacked, nor did CVA hold sov. Fact. CVA started the outpost seiging. Fact. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.14 20:53:00 - [127] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 14/05/2007 20:26:38 Originally by: Aindrias Hehe.. I guess most of us are telling you that you MIGHT BE WRONG ;-) and you still don't even concede what U'K and CVA have announced. Droit! There was no station in the system UK attacked, nor did CVA hold sov. Fact. CVA started the outpost seiging. Fact. CVA thinks in terms of PROVIDENCE, not Sov. Welcome to Providence Wars ;-) Quote: Recon Teams were sent to investigate & they found what looked like the makings of an outpost, or possibly a super capital. Haulers were constantly buzzing around, and there was a large POS with more hanger arrays than guns! (I forget the exact amount, but there are a lot) The difference in what U'K did and what CVA did after is that CVA was successfull and U'K wasn't. THat's alls there's to it. U'K wanted to prevent an Outpost which they thought we were constructing by landing a POS in the system and trying to take down another. From our perspective we thought they wanted to take Sov (outpost or not). The fight happened, they lost CVA retaliated by striking a system with an OUtpost and took it. The Outpost is irrelavant to who started it. U'K recently dropped a POS in NOS space and that was the catalyst to the QR attack. It simply showed a more aggressive campaign that CVA wanted to nip in the bud by taking their foreward staging Outpost away. Just because they are not "equal" tit for tat doesn't mean CVA wasn't using legitimate tactics in dealing with the situation even though "IN THE PAST" it's been a different type of war. Taking an Outpost reduces passive income for things like POS Spamming which U'K was trying on for size. While this isn't 100%, my opinion is the war would have remained similar if U'K hadn't dropped a POS in the QBL Nothing is black and white. FACT ;-) Is it me? Or is anyone else tired of Butter complaining about CVA taking the outpost? (yes.. similar wording you used, a personal attack? Maybe, but it wasn't meant to be, like I'M SURE your post wasn't meant to be) See what you can do with Paintbrush?
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.14 20:57:00 - [128] Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 14/05/2007 20:55:43 Originally by: Aindrias Nothing is black and white. FACT ;-) Except zebras and penguins. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Beer is my religion. Guinness is my God.
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.14 21:00:00 - [129] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 14/05/2007 20:55:43 Originally by: Aindrias Nothing is black and white. FACT ;-) Except zebras and penguins. True hehe See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Rylet VanDorn Pastafarians Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.05.14 21:23:00 - [130] My post did not contain a personal attack. Merely a stated observation of your comments, and an insinuation based off those observations. I didn't say you were a kid, I was just letting you know that you sounded like one. Given the responses I've had, other people seem to agree with me. Feel free to reread them to confirm, but the majority of your posts are accusatory, "smart-assed", and in some cases, completely irrelevant. I'll provide some examples: "Maybe he was running L4 world's collide" "Your spin is weak old man" Usage of the word "Fact" after your statements, in an attempt to indicate you are infallible. These are not statements made by someone who is open minded, or at all interested in debate, which you claim to be. They use words intended to end debate, not argue your point. Basically you sound like you're here to prove something; namely that "CVA Lost a battle to U'K". That, however, is obviously open to interpretation. Judging from what has been said here by both parties: U'K's goals were to drop the cap ship yards. CVA's goals were to retain sovereignty, and fend off threats to it. Both goals were obtained. One question I am forced to ask is this: Given their accomplished mission, why did UK attempt to anchor a POS in X-r? Obviously the answer is that there were other, more ambitious goals. The POS, however, was met with swift and decisive force (a expressed in Eddie's post)... So really it looks to me like CVA was gearing up for an actual assault, but drastically over-estimated U'K's ambition.
Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.14 21:38:00 - [131] Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 14/05/2007 21:37:15 I think the conflict needs to be looked at in much larger terms than most are portraying it. That one day either CVA or U'K would be at the other's gates was effectively set in stone the second both became established in Providence. That day has come, talk of who escalated what will only go back all the way to before the introduction of the PoS. The fact is that by moving to 0.0 the conflict became more than just U'K and CVA, and that is a good thing. It has produced a more interesting conflict as well as changed the nature of both Providence and Catch over the two+ years it has been an active 0.0 conflict. To speak of it as some sortof conflict on a pedastal of any sort is an utterly flawed viewpoint that fails to understand the region or the conflict. It escalates as long as it needs to escalate, and as long as the IC characters are remaining withen their IC characters everything is good. Neither side needs to defend their actions in this conflict OOCly, because both are acting entirely in accordance with the goals of their characters. There will be IC flak whenever there is a percieved hypocracy or false ideal, but that flak needs to stay IC where it belongs and leave these forums to nice and well written war reports. And everyone, take a look at Occasus or Marko's posts and take notes. They have both posted the way this conflict deserves. Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Bryashliu Druugir Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.14 21:57:00 - [132] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 14/05/2007 20:55:43 Originally by: Aindrias Nothing is black and white. FACT ;-) Except zebras and penguins. You forgot Badgers and Ring-tailed Lemurs.
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.14 22:27:00 - [133] Originally by: Bryashliu Druugir Originally by: ReaperOfSly Edited by: ReaperOfSly on 14/05/2007 20:55:43 Originally by: Aindrias Nothing is black and white. FACT ;-) Except zebras and penguins. You forgot Badgers and Ring-tailed Lemurs. Badgers and ring tailed lemurs are grey. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Beer is my religion. Guinness is my God.
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.14 23:23:00 - [134] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 14/05/2007 21:37:15 I think the conflict needs to be looked at in much larger terms than most are portraying it. That one day either CVA or U'K would be at the other's gates was effectively set in stone the second both became established in Providence. That day has come, talk of who escalated what will only go back all the way to before the introduction of the PoS. The fact is that by moving to 0.0 the conflict became more than just U'K and CVA, and that is a good thing. It has produced a more interesting conflict as well as changed the nature of both Providence and Catch over the two+ years it has been an active 0.0 conflict. To speak of it as some sortof conflict on a pedastal of any sort is an utterly flawed viewpoint that fails to understand the region or the conflict. It escalates as long as it needs to escalate, and as long as the IC characters are remaining withen their IC characters everything is good. Neither side needs to defend their actions in this conflict OOCly, because both are acting entirely in accordance with the goals of their characters. There will be IC flak whenever there is a percieved hypocracy or false ideal, but that flak needs to stay IC where it belongs and leave these forums to nice and well written war reports. And everyone, take a look at Occasus or Marko's posts and take notes. They have both posted the way this conflict deserves. Amen to that. Now Recruiting
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.15 00:15:00 - [135] I missed this little gem :P Nicely written start but degenerated quickly. 7 points for smack, 2 for content :P Butter Dog wins the 'Smacker of the Thread' award. Did I miss anything? Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.15 01:38:00 - [136] Edited by: Sapphrine on 15/05/2007 01:36:51 I have a quick question for CVA raised by a couple comments made here by NOS. Is it actually right that you guys took QR- in retaliation for us hitting NOS or was it actually because you guys were interested in attacking QR- and saw an opportunity. I only ask because i object somewhat to the way NOS seem to be portraying QR- as retaliation for QBL. Also, I hardly feel errecting a Large tower to deploy cap ships from is POS spamming. Correct me if i'm wrong but two at any given time hardly counts as a spam :) As for sticking a tower up in X-R3.... well we were amazed you hadn't defended the pos so sticking a tower up seemed only appropriate. It was hardly important as demonstrated by the utter lack of hanging around to defend it. It is true it wasn't the exact tower that CVA had lost to us taking from their space earlier this week but it was certainly replaced by it. (edited so it actually made some sense!) Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Manfred Doomhammer Caldari ShadowTec Inc. Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 02:08:00 - [137] Originally by: Sapphrine Edited by: Sapphrine on 15/05/2007 01:36:51 I have a quick question for CVA raised by a couple comments made here by NOS. Is it actually right that you guys took QR- in retaliation for us hitting NOS or was it actually because you guys were interested in attacking QR- and saw an opportunity. I only ask because i object somewhat to the way NOS seem to be portraying QR- as retaliation for QBL. Also, I hardly feel errecting a Large tower to deploy cap ships from is POS spamming. Correct me if i'm wrong but two at any given time hardly counts as a spam :) As for sticking a tower up in X-R3.... well we were amazed you hadn't defended the pos so sticking a tower up seemed only appropriate. It was hardly important as demonstrated by the utter lack of hanging around to defend it. It is true it wasn't the exact tower that CVA had lost to us taking from their space earlier this week but it was certainly replaced by it. (edited so it actually made some sense!) To answer in truth, the preparations for an attack on UK were going for some time before you hit QBL... it just might have been a catalysator that accelerated things... Initially the plan was to hit 9uy directly, as at the time the planning started, QR wasnt an UK outpost. The plans got changed when UK aquired that outpost and used it as Tomb for that defiant captain's body... That was an IC hook we just couldnt ignore As Gaven pointed out above... From the moment UK put up Unity in providence it was clear for us that we had to go for it... as it was the Goal of Operation Deliverance to secure the providence region for the Amarr Empire... ---- Manfred Doomhammer CEO ShadowTec Inc. Curatores Veritatis Alliance
EveJoker Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.15 03:08:00 - [138] Edited by: EveJoker on 15/05/2007 03:07:02 Re: lag, everyone gets it, its a limitation of the game. I was sitting in system prior to the battle in the middle of nowhere, and it took about 3 mins for my ship simply to decloak. When preparing our defense operation in QR a petition was raised Prior to the battle informing CCP of the expected extra than normal build up. I can only assume this was over looked for x-r? Irrespective of extra servers resources in pos warfare this game is played differently to the far more fun hit and run tactics that have been employed to date. Tactics to combat the dreaded lag can be employed by both sides, and as was seen in this battle can often make the difference between success and defeat. The irony is that if CVA had left NOS alone for a while in QBL to play the game NOS might of been forced to learn some important anti lag tips. I have seen prior battles on this scale kill nodes, So I do consider the game at the moment to be much improved, however there is still a long way to go.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.15 07:08:00 - [139] Originally by: Rylet VanDorn My post did not contain a personal attack. Merely a stated observation of your comments, and an insinuation based off those observations. If the observations end with claims about someones real life age/maturity etc, then yes its very much personal - not exactly dealing with the issues at hand, is it. You don't know anything about me in RL, it is simply not an appropriate line of comment. Originally by: Rylet VanDorn "Maybe he was running L4 world's collide" "Your spin is weak old man" Usage of the word "Fact" after your statements, in an attempt to indicate you are infallible. These are not statements made by someone who is open minded, or at all interested in debate, which you claim to be. They use words intended to end debate, not argue your point. Basically you sound like you're here to prove something; namely that "CVA Lost a battle to U'K". That, however, is obviously open to interpretation. One of those comments was clearly a 'joke'. The other was a paraphrase of a famous Star Wars quote. Hardly smack. Your claim that they didnt lose the battle is just funny. They lost more ships, they lost their capital shipyard. Dunno how you're defining victory but no matter how it is spun, they lost the battle. Did they lose the war? Of course not. In truth I believe they will ultimately take 9UY. Numbers are simply too much in their favour and eventually force of weight will likely win. However, that doesnt mean they won't pay a high price for it Anyway, the fact remains that starting an outpost siege then complaining about lag, is like walking into a Japanese restaurant and screaming 'I HATE SUSHI!'. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Shaikar Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 12:54:00 - [140] Edited by: Shaikar on 15/05/2007 12:54:52 Thats the thing - we were fighting to defend the system, by which was meant system sovereignty and Inflatable House. Given the forces involved and the fact all the defending pos's had been popped into reinforced mode, it looked as if taking IH was what U'K & Friends goal was. However, U'K & Friends actual goal appears to have been just to blow up the pos with the capital yards. So both sides managed to do exactly what they set out to do as far as objectives were concerned. Although that said, if U'K had taken Inflatable House, maybe they could have given it a decent name before we tried to take it back. Ahem. Maybe I shouldn't have said that out loud... /edit to be clear, yes U'K & Friends killed the pos and the capital yards, congratulations, it sounds like you managed to do what you set out to do. All I am attempting to do is to explain (as there seems to be difficulty) where the other side was coming from - we were fighting a different battle from you. Perhaps next time both sides should evemail victory conditions to the other side.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.15 12:58:00 - [141] Originally by: Shaikar Thats the thing - we were fighting to defend the system, by which was meant system sovereignty and Inflatable House. Given the forces involved and the fact all the defending pos's had been popped into reinforced mode, it looked as if taking IH was what U'K & Friends goal was. However, U'K & Friends actual goal appears to have been just to blow up the pos with the capital yards. So both sides managed to do exactly what they set out to do as far as objectives were concerned. Although that said, if U'K had taken Inflatable House, maybe they could have given it a decent name before we tried to take it back. Ahem. Maybe I shouldn't have said that out loud... We where thinking of renaming it to Hardin's strip and dance club Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 13:20:00 - [142] Originally by: Lilan Kahn We where thinking of renaming it to Hardin's strip and dance club ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Parallax Error Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.15 14:17:00 - [143] The thought of Hardin stripping and dancing, fills the combined CVA fleet with dread. I wonder if we could claim this as a holy terror weapon, second only to god's wrath? Maybe Hardin pole dancing is god's wrath. Don't hurt me Hardin.
steamy The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.15 14:23:00 - [144] /me brings a pole to Gankaton for Hardin to dance on tickets: 1mil Isk or ? Steamy If you only look at the road ahead, Life isn't worth the trip -- Dante
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.15 14:45:00 - [145] Originally by: steamy /me brings a pole to Gankaton for Hardin to dance on tickets: 1mil Isk or ? Hardins a gimp and havnt shown his face at gankatons for a while Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.

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