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Gegi Wau
Minmatar
Liberty Labs
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Posted - 2007.05.13 19:03:00 -
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*lifts eyebrow* Fascinating.
If one is to believe CVA, yesterday was another glorious day for the Amarr Empire. "We didn't need that POS anyway, na nana na na ner!" It's almost like the attackers did them a favour by getting rid of it. You know, if the shipyard was so friggin' useless, you could have saved Ushra'Khan and friends a lot of trouble by simply trashing it.
This was a kick in the nuts for CVA, but of course they'd never admit that. Downplaying the enemy's successes is a time-honored propaganda trick, after all.
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.13 19:17:00 -
[62]
 Originally by: Abn Matar
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
mommy IAC
Bitter much?
the more you bleed, the more wolfs are showing up for the kil enjoy your space while you have it
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.13 20:49:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Abn Matar
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
mommy IAC
Bitter much?
CVA i'll take a bit of flak from, they at least know how to fight. How many cap ships did you lose today again? Just as well you guys weren't meant to be helping CVA tonight... god only knows what you'd have been able to send the way you seem to be getting pasted.
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Solusar
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.13 22:14:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Sapphrine
Originally by: Abn Matar
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
mommy IAC
Bitter much?
CVA i'll take a bit of flak from, they at least know how to fight. How many cap ships did you lose today again? Just as well you guys weren't meant to be helping CVA tonight... god only knows what you'd have been able to send the way you seem to be getting pasted.
Taking lessons from Butters now? Smacking people about fights that you wernt involved in?
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Solusar
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.13 22:17:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Mangold
Originally by: Solusar
I just did a quick count to amuse myself. Of the capitals that killed yours during that fight, there were 12 CVA and 5 Severence, so the majority of the fleet was CVA capitals.
The fleet that attacked our capitals contained 5 capitals, 2 of those belonged to Ushra'Khan. The fleet also contained 70 battleships. 10 of those were Ushra'Khan battleships.
Quit whining. I saw plenty of IAC in X-R3 too.
For the record, we had more than 10 BS and from what I can tell from our killboard CVA had 17. And that's not counting NOS, VV, Pie et al.
I am deeply displeased on how CVA handles this.
Your deeply dissapointed at how CVA has handled this? Every CVA post here is a reply to a claim by either butters or one of your own members. Id suggest talking to them before pointing fingers.
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.13 22:21:00 -
[66]
sob sob sob you have to do work now to achive some thing and not just blob others i am soooo sad on your behalf
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Tar Kovsky
Minmatar
Khumatari Holdings
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.13 22:28:00 -
[67]
Having the upper hand (at least for a moment) is such a novel experience for our "rag-tag band of freedom fighters" that I'm afraid none of us really knows how to react. 
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steamy
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.13 22:48:00 -
[68]
There is one thing I have learned from Flying with U'K and friends, they just bring it. They don;t care if they are outnumbered, they get in their ships, scream slavers and start shooting.
While this tactic is fun, it often let them to loose in the past. The battles in 9UY have been fun, for a change U'K and friends won. Let's be honest, they did win of CVA for the first time.
What's even more important are some of their new allies, not allies that are in the RP community, but allies that respect the way U'K operates in Providence.
Providence without U'K will mean that CVA no longer needs space, and since it's 0.0 CVA is on the wrong side. I think the only thing that can safe CVA is U'K, now that's funny to think of right?
By attacking 9uy, CVA basically said: get out, we want to control providence. That is not going to happen. when it becomes apparent that it's not going to happen, CVA starts complaining? why, you get all the good fights you wanted for so long.. I'm a bit dissapointed in CVA now, I thought you guys had more style.
Steamy
If you only look at the road ahead, Life isn't worth the trip -- Dante
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.13 23:18:00 -
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A great day for UK and allies. CVA came to 9uy with the intent to pick it like an apple from the tree. Now all of the sudden they have to worry about defending their own outposts.
If you stretch your lines too far, they become weak and the enemy might break through. A mistake made by generals too greedy. We will see if you learn from it.
And if you return to fighting instead of forum posting.
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.13 23:42:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 13/05/2007 23:43:43
I am incredibly dissapointed in about 90% of the people on this thread.
Get a grip. This is an OOC forum not an IC one.
Save the rhetoric for the IC forums, please, and quit smacking on here.
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Abn Matar
Minmatar
Genco
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.13 23:44:00 -
[71]
Originally by: steamy
There is one thing I have learned from Flying with U'K and friends, they just bring it. They don;t care if they are outnumbered, they get in their ships, scream slavers and start shooting.
While this tactic is fun, it often let them to loose in the past. The battles in 9UY have been fun, for a change U'K and friends won. Let's be honest, they did win of CVA for the first time.
What's even more important are some of their new allies, not allies that are in the RP community, but allies that respect the way U'K operates in Providence.
Providence without U'K will mean that CVA no longer needs space, and since it's 0.0 CVA is on the wrong side. I think the only thing that can safe CVA is U'K, now that's funny to think of right?
By attacking 9uy, CVA basically said: get out, we want to control providence. That is not going to happen. when it becomes apparent that it's not going to happen, CVA starts complaining? why, you get all the good fights you wanted for so long.. I'm a bit dissapointed in CVA now, I thought you guys had more style.
Every time ive fought UK they have disengaged and created a blob and then they want to fight, so i think youre wrong mr
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.14 00:24:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Sapphrine
Originally by: Abn Matar
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
mommy IAC
Bitter much?
CVA i'll take a bit of flak from, they at least know how to fight. How many cap ships did you lose today again? Just as well you guys weren't meant to be helping CVA tonight... god only knows what you'd have been able to send the way you seem to be getting pasted.
We lost 5 and went to help CVA afterwards with a gang of 60, but as it turned out they didn't need any help.
I guess U'K are completely incapable of accomplishing anything without daddy 0utbreak there holding your hand?
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Ysira
Amarr
Mortis et Excidium
Cold Steel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.14 00:27:00 -
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As far as I am concerned, this attack has done 1 major thing: It has seriously destabilized the current situation in Providence and lower Domain. The appearance of Ushra'Khan allied forces, roaming pirate gangs and all those "war-tourists" ended the period of peace around R3/Misaba.
In the first days rumor was spread that CVA would lose the war, maybe its hold in Providence and that the terrorists will take over. It was told that a dark age would be cast upon Providence. I honestly doubt that this will happen soon, but as I said, it has disturbed the quiet waters.
When I logged in that day, the chat was all like: "Its war! They kicked all CVA POS to reinforced! OMG, gatecamps all over Providence!" While the weeks before it was more like: "Someone in for PVP? There are hostiles reported somewhere in Providence, maybe we'll see some interceptors which are too fast to lock down..."
So times have changed. At least from my perspective.
I can't comment on the importance of the destruction of the CVA capital shipyard, because this is something only the CVA leadership can. It might be an idealistic victory, it might be something more, but as far as I know it was never announced while defending that there was an important asset to defend.
In the end the lag of doom(tm) killed the battle and half of Providence and Domain, so victory goes to CCP. Each side surely had some goals in this engagement. If they were fulfilled, only they can tell for themselves. It is easy to say that one has fulfilled a previously set goals, but if it is true, is not verifyable. When the goals were truly set like this, both sides have won a victory. If not, then one side has lost but is not honest enough to grant their enemy a victory.
I can't tell, so I say: Both have won, in their own ways and goals.
I am with CVA in this battle, they have provided safety and freedom to Providence. While this might not be the freedom some people aspire, it was safe to travel and go around CVA controlled space, even for unknown people.
(Please note, this is a personal statement and no official statment or announcement by either my corporation or my alliance.)
(And on another note: I absolutly despise people who take ingame events so seriously and flame each other on the boards. RP as much as you like, but then keep such things clear and in the IC board. There is no need to cry, flame or smack.)
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master bates
Amarr
Smoking Hillbillys
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.05.14 01:23:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 13/05/2007 14:03:36
Originally by: Ikar Kaltin
And JASMINE, what is with the "look at me, oooo oooo here me me me" attitude you seem to have. At every turn you seem to be trying to draw attention to yourself. You seem to bloat up your own role alot, to play things to how great you were. Considering there were those 40+ battleships on the gate, and they didnt jump in to slaughter you maybe implies something about what our goals were and that all that were coming from misaba were already there? Those that engaged you in misaba were neutrals trying to do whatever they were doing. You dont actually realise your such a minor part of everything that no one actually cares about you, and that the fact that you have to draw attention to yourself is not a good thing...
Ikar, we killed 14 BS and lost 1. We stopped all CVA friendly reinforcements moving through R3 for 3 hours. Stamp your feet all you like. Thats the raw facts. So take a chill pill and relax. Fighting is happening and don't choke on the propaganda mate.
PS. SF don't shoot neutrals so stop telling fibs.
and you stopped us very well. i had a 13 man bs gang inbound with to assist cva so mr Ikar Kaltin you saying that star fraction engaged neutrals only upsets me since volt have always been long standing friends with cva since our alliance started 
Our losses were mainly due to a miscommuincation on teamspeak one our guys for some reason decided to sit outside station in misaba in his apoc and got engaged by the star fraction mega that died we undocked thinking hed aggroed the mega back and proceeded to blitz that mega, ofc he hadnt aggroed and redocked briskly as the star fraction bs gang came in and wasted us.
I do think cva had spies in their channels tho tbh as myself as fc was primaried instantly in my apoc even tho there were 2 scorps in my gang which seemed very unusual and made us suspicious, we got admittedly pwned by star fraction and i congratulate them on successfully preventin us from helping cva we lost 7 bs in the attack, the 2 scorps actually survived and proceeded to fly a suicide run into x-r hehe and got popped on the way whilst everyone else returned home.
Altho from what i have read here and been told by people the lag was that bad it was probably a good thing we didnt go into x-r
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.14 01:35:00 -
[75]
Originally by: master bates
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 13/05/2007 14:03:36
Originally by: Ikar Kaltin
And JASMINE, what is with the "look at me, oooo oooo here me me me" attitude you seem to have. At every turn you seem to be trying to draw attention to yourself. You seem to bloat up your own role alot, to play things to how great you were. Considering there were those 40+ battleships on the gate, and they didnt jump in to slaughter you maybe implies something about what our goals were and that all that were coming from misaba were already there? Those that engaged you in misaba were neutrals trying to do whatever they were doing. You dont actually realise your such a minor part of everything that no one actually cares about you, and that the fact that you have to draw attention to yourself is not a good thing...
Ikar, we killed 14 BS and lost 1. We stopped all CVA friendly reinforcements moving through R3 for 3 hours. Stamp your feet all you like. Thats the raw facts. So take a chill pill and relax. Fighting is happening and don't choke on the propaganda mate.
PS. SF don't shoot neutrals so stop telling fibs.
and you stopped us very well. i had a 13 man bs gang inbound with to assist cva so mr Ikar Kaltin you saying that star fraction engaged neutrals only upsets me since volt have always been long standing friends with cva since our alliance started
Our losses were mainly due to a miscommuincation on teamspeak one our guys for some reason decided to sit outside station in misaba in his apoc and got engaged by the star fraction mega that died we undocked thinking hed aggroed the mega back and proceeded to blitz that mega, ofc he hadnt aggroed and redocked briskly as the star fraction bs gang came in and wasted us.
I do think cva had spies in their channels tho tbh as myself as fc was primaried instantly in my apoc even tho there were 2 scorps in my gang which seemed very unusual and made us suspicious, we got admittedly pwned by star fraction and i congratulate them on successfully preventin us from helping cva we lost 7 bs in the attack, the 2 scorps actually survived and proceeded to fly a suicide run into x-r hehe and got popped on the way whilst everyone else returned home.
Altho from what i have read here and been told by people the lag was that bad it was probably a good thing we didnt go into x-r
Thank you for that Master Bates, lot of respect to you for telling it like it happened. And it was a good enjoy enjoyable sequence of fights on that route. See you again soon. 
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.14 01:37:00 -
[76]
Originally by: master bates
I do think cva had spies in their channels tho tbh as myself as fc was primaried instantly in my apoc even tho there were 2 scorps in my gang which seemed very unusual and made us suspicious
I think it might have more to do with your catchy name actually I wasn't there but was listening in on vent, and it was hard not to laugh at the names of the primaries called
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.05.14 01:45:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Tareen Kashaar
Originally by: master bates
I do think cva had spies in their channels tho tbh as myself as fc was primaried instantly in my apoc even tho there were 2 scorps in my gang which seemed very unusual and made us suspicious
I think it might have more to do with your catchy name actually I wasn't there but was listening in on vent, and it was hard not to laugh at the names of the primaries called
I almost fell off my chair laughing listening to those:
"primary target is MASTER BATES - repeat MASTER BATES is primary."
"secondary is Foamy Pipe Snake - Foamy Pipe snake is secondary."
"Master bates is done, tacklers get a grip on Foamy Pipe Snake."
"New secondary is Man Love, hit him up next!"
I thought our FC was having a laugh to be honest until the wrecks started appearing
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Sapphrine
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.14 02:50:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Originally by: Sapphrine
Originally by: Abn Matar
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
mommy IAC
Bitter much?
CVA i'll take a bit of flak from, they at least know how to fight. How many cap ships did you lose today again? Just as well you guys weren't meant to be helping CVA tonight... god only knows what you'd have been able to send the way you seem to be getting pasted.
We lost 5 and went to help CVA afterwards with a gang of 60, but as it turned out they didn't need any help.
I guess U'K are completely incapable of accomplishing anything without daddy 0utbreak there holding your hand?
I do hope you think more tactically about your other fights. What possible reason would we have to attack another pos after leaving the other two yesterday? Hit and fade tyrrax, hit and fade. As I actually stated in this thread hours ago, we hit the other pos as a bonus.
Goodluck in your war with BoB. I hope you're paying KIA alot to go head to head with Outbreak. I just wish EveTV was starting now :)
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mamolian
Vortex.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.14 03:24:00 -
[79]
Edited by: mamolian on 14/05/2007 03:22:46
Slavers in supercapitals.. what a terrifying though. 
While I mourn for the technicians who perished with the capital ship yards, I rejoice they were removed before yet even more supercapitals enter the fray. Its bad enough Hera roams at will. Or goes "back" to roaming, when the funs over
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Vandamsel
Gallente
Dead Eagle
North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.05.14 03:32:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Vandamsel on 14/05/2007 03:33:54
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Salr Ayshuermei
Amarr
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.05.14 04:06:00 -
[81]
Another magnificent victory for the champions of liberty and freedom against those who oppress the weak and the innocent. In my younger days I was delusional enough to think that the CVA actually stood for something good and noble. I was wrong.
Congrats to Ushra'Khan on this achievement. May victory be with you.
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Pezzle
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.14 04:40:00 -
[82]
Pezzle Smiles
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Arenis Xemdal
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.14 04:45:00 -
[83]
I was under the mistaken impression the war between CVA and Ushra'Khan was over ideals. This leads me to question why the mighty servants of the Amarr Empire, whom I've fought with before, are asking for aid from the likes of IAC against a numerically inferior force. It also makes me wonder why the Ushra'Khan waste time targetting some production facilities, when you should be aiming for their pride & willpower.
And surely, the involvement of so many outsiders dilutes the victory. How can you possibly instill fear in one another? How do you propose to inspire members, when your backbone is on mail order? Things were a lot better when the Amarr had an Emperor, and the Minmatar were unloved. At this rate I'm not sure what to think, when all I see is another faceless sovereignty war. You might as well merge and form a Providence superpower, since that is all you want.
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steamy
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.14 04:51:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Abn Matar
Originally by: steamy
my own stuff..
Every time ive fought UK they have disengaged and created a blob and then they want to fight, so i think youre wrong mr
lol, an IAC guy blames other Alliances for blobbing, the irony  go shoot Outbreak, while you still can..
All CVA has to do is say "good fight", U'K has admitted that on a regular basis, it's a game nothing more. CVA just has to get of it's high horse, stop whining and complaining and face the fact that they lost a good battle (at least the jump in). But it was a good battle nonetheless.
Steamy
If you only look at the road ahead, Life isn't worth the trip -- Dante
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.14 06:21:00 -
[85]
Quote:
I was under the mistaken impression the war between CVA and Ushra'Khan was over ideals. This leads me to question why the mighty servants of the Amarr Empire, whom I've fought with before, are asking for aid from the likes of IAC against a numerically inferior force. It also makes me wonder why the Ushra'Khan waste time targetting some production facilities, when you should be aiming for their pride & willpower.
In case you haven't realized it yet, its hardly CVA+Amarr vs U'K+Other terrorist types alone in this fight. And hasn't been for, oh, years. Though, It is still a war over IC ideals and not OOC ones.
I fail entirely to understand why a war over ideals should not escalate just like any other war, or why people expect a war which has been slowly escalating outside of the strictly "RP" community for something on the lines of two years to not wax and wane like any other war.
Basically, and this goes to just about everyone looking in who I have seen make comments about what the longest running war in EVE should be in the last two weeks as well as Arenis, please educate yourself a little on what is going on in providence and has been brewing ever since both U'K and CVA became established in the region. It might just be a better course than making false assumptions about how the war between them is going. And once you have educated yourself so that you don't make such false presumptions, please just sit back and let the fireworks fly rather than presuming to tell either the U'K or the CVA how to fight their IC war on an OOC forum. Or better yet, compose those thoughts ICly and put them on the Corp and Org summit or the IGS so they can be met with the condescending Amarrian arrogance and outright terrorist hostility they deserve.
Thank you.
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Mindlles
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.14 06:27:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
We lost 5 and went to help CVA afterwards with a gang of 60, but as it turned out they didn't need any help.
I guess U'K are completely incapable of accomplishing anything without daddy 0utbreak there holding your hand?
We are one little corp between u big bad alliancens, being a daddy is hardly right to put it ;)
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Amalas
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.14 07:09:00 -
[87]
I'd just like to say good job to the enemy interdictor pilots that managed to get behind us and bubble up a number of gates on our escape route.
I was one of the battleships popped due to the skills of these pilots and I was mildly ****ed that my T2 Tempest's only kill was a cruiser!
As for the arguments of lag. I have heard pilots on our side complain of being lagged out so bad that they missed the entire fight. CVA pilots have complained of the same thing so it's fair to say it effected both sides and shouldn't be used as an excuse by anyone.
In the past both sides have claimed OOC respect and in many cases friendship, it seems this war is bringing out the worse in all of us.
I kill slavers for fun but for a Vagabond I'll carve them up real good.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.05.14 07:14:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Solusar
Taking lessons from Butters now? Smacking people about fights that you wernt involved in?
Perhaps you are confusing me for someone else? I've been killing CVA and friends for a long time now, and you know it.
I was also in X-R (as O Thief), so less of the BS thank you.
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Je'hira Osiris
Minmatar
Knights of Chaos
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.05.14 08:09:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Solusar
Hmm, where are CVA pilots getting "all wound up?"
UK are pawning this off as a major victory in terms of the war when in reality it changes nothing. That is all we are pointing out I believe. Congratulations on killing the POS ofcourse, but it is not some sort of strategic victory.
Karishals Folly is still in CVA hands.
All of the POS deployed by UK in CVA systems have been destroyed.
CVA still maintains POS in 9UY and system superiority for the majority of the time.
The majority of the fighting is being done by outbreak/evoke/chaos incarnate. No one is complaining about this, just pointing this out.
We lost 1, yes shock horror, ONE POS. The sky is surely falling. We will now pack up and go home  UK continue to attack CVA POS at times when our numbers are low, they come out at times when our numbers are high and are recharged. This has been happening repeatedly.
I suggest the "bragging" stops until the dust settles.
Nice to see all the smack is coming from one organisation as usual. *Waves to butters*
Wars are not won in 1 day, and once again its down to others to point out you have lost 4 pos's to UK loss of 1 and that one we didnt even get up.
If your going to bend the truth as most ppl do on the fourms take a more middle ground.
Respect can be found for your enemy.... its jus a case of how hard you wanna look...
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Occasus Vim
Minmatar
Freelance Unincorporated
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.14 10:36:00 -
[90]
I think this is my first post in this forum, mostly because a few people I have a lot of respect for usually say "Avoid CAOD, it's usually just a ****ing contest, and not worth your time." I see how that's true, but there's also some good stuff here too.
IMO, propaganda is for the IC boards. OOC conflicts between players on opposing sides strikes me as sad as, say, when professional athletes harbor contempt instead of respect for other athletes in their field. One thing my commanders told me (OOC) when I first joined U'K was that our long standing conflict with CVA was riddled with class, that they had good relationships with our 'enemies' OOC. I really liked that, and I am always heartened when people like Garreck or Gaven post, sometimes even on our own boards. I feel like we're playing the game together at those times, instead feeling like it's 13yr. old boys beating on each other for a self-esteem boost (over the internet, no less).
Both sides have individuals who take it a little too seriously. It's inevitable I think, when you consider the kind of commitment and tactics are needed to succeed in this game, especially in terms of "sovreignty" success. This game is politically intense, because you can't access a lot of the games features without a team. So, you have to impress people, whether you are roleplaying or not. This conflict would not be very interesting without allies (and would probably consist of U'K getting absolutely pasted). CVA have played a political game (which necessarily disregards "RP" boundaries) which has worked wonders for them. They found something that worked, and excelled with it. U'K on the other hand is still learning some of the political ropes in 0.0. Because success out in nullsec space means playing the OOC game as well as you can, the dimensions of our conflict necessarily expand.
The difference is, I am not fighting CVA, PIE, VV, AM, etc. because I want to wipe them off the map and win EVE. If it ever comes to something like that for me, I think I will quit the game (just a personal preference, it is a legitimate motivation for others, just not myself). No, I am fighting them based on an IC context that each side digs as a pretext for healthy competition between folks all over the world. In the end, nothing is really lost, but its fun as hell.
The recent turn in tides pleases me not just because we are doing well (relative to some moments in the past), but because it makes everything more interesting, which supports my reasons for playing the game. If either side just rolled over the other, it would be boring, and in our search for a real challenge, the less likely we would be to find opponents who play "our style" of game, by which I mean people who are on the same frequency, motivation wise. In other words, I never want the Amarrian loyalists to be completely smashed and disband. If such an thing happened, I would probably pirate or something for a few months, get bored, and then move on from EVE. What I do want is what I understand has been happening for a long while now: The wheel always turns, sometimes up, sometimes down, and we continue to grow and challenge each other. Any friends I make in the heat of battle is only because I have enemies making friends on the other side.
The wheel will always keep turning. I think if U'K ever experienced total crushing defeat, we would adapt, stick together, and rise in a new incarnation. However, if our counterparts wouldn't want us to reincarnate, to carry on the story with them, I would say we are either fighting the wrong people, or we have ourselves completely lost perspective on the game we are choosing to play together.
The enjoyment here for me is in the teamwork, in achieving objectives with alliance mates. My enemies, you provide a framework, a reason for that teamwork, so I thank you. I hope that we can respond by making your game challenging enough that meeting those challenges improves enjoyment of the game for you and yours.
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