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Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:13:00 - [1] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 13/05/2007 12:19:54 Given that x-r local had reached 200+ Consisting of CVA, NOS and large numbers of IAC. We had decided that a pos assult was out of the question, as god knows how many capital ships could be waiting out of system. The Mixed U'K/9uy residents gang numbered about 50-60 at the time of departure. around 25-30 were bs, 15-20 of which were t2 snipers. The rest were eiher 200km + ew or close range heavy tacklers. The outbreak gang was approx 50, 30 bs (all t2 snipers) and 20 support. (correct me if i'm wrong outbreak, if anything it was less right?) At the time we made our decision, the Star Fraction guys had not contacted us, so we got as many of our dread pilots into battleships as we could and made our way over to x-r. As we started to move, Star fraction contacted us. We were pleasently suprised to learn that they had a gang of approx 20-25 bs in misaba/r3. Just before jumping into x-r, the uk and outbreak gangs split up. U'K went right to the x-r gate in x6, and outbreak took another route. When outbreak were in position Ushra'khan were the first to jump in. The order was to stay cloaked for as long as possible, to give outbreak time to break through a bubble. Star fraction were supposed to be jumping in from the r3 gate, but apparently lag was so bad that teh scouts they sent in didnt load for the entire fight. The rest stayed outside of system (correct me if i'm wrong pls Jade) I took approx 3mins to jump, and then once in x-r I took a further 2-3 mins to load the grid. Once loaded I had 30sec-1min module lag. The feint seemed to work, as the main fight happend at the x6 gate in x-r. CVA took heavy losses, and from what I can tell on the killboards Ushra'khan only lost 1 or two battleships in x-r. Against what I can only assume were 2-1 odds or worse. This is where it got interesting. We had given up all hope of actually taking out the pos. As such we didnt really have a plan in place to do so. The capital shipyard only had 6x medium lasers on it. So with lack of a better plan, the bemused gang that was told they were all going to die trying to get in the system warped to a grid load on the capital shipyard. The combined firepower of the outbreak and Ushra'khan gang began to pound on the capital shipyard. CVA did not show, had we really beaten them? Mid way through the assult, a small nos gang tried sniping us. They all died. I can only assume that they were after a quick ride home. After what seemed like an eternity, we still had not made a dent on the hostile pos & CVA and IAC had not made a move. There was a very real danger that our guys would start running out of ammo (again we did not have logistics in place for this as it was not part of the plan. The plan was to do a leeroyy and put the fear of god into the CVA) The decision was made eventually to bring capitals in. Even if it was a trap. We brought in approx 10 dreadnaughts from U'K and CI. As well as 3-4 front line carriers. Less than origionally planned as many of our pilots were in battleships now. The capital shipyard was destroyed with no further intervention from CVA. [continued] Now Recruiting
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:14:00 - [2] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 13/05/2007 12:16:22 All this had taken a lot longer than planned. Outbreak had plans elsewhere, and once our pos was anchoring they left. This is when the CVA and IAC made a move. It was apparent that we would not win a 50 v 200 battle, so we cyno'd the remaining capitals out and were going to make a stand in x6- At this stage, as primaries were about to be called someone did a gang warp to a belt (I think it was our hauler pilot who had pos equip in hold) We were now scattered and had to make a run for it. U'K losses in x6- were 3 bs. Losses in x-r were 1-2bs + some support. Its just as well we didnt stay around longer. As just after we left, an impressive IAC & CVA capital fleet numbering 30 or so engaged our un-onlined pos. With our primary objective complete the atmosphere was electric. This day will be remembered in U'K for a long time to come! For Freedom! Now Recruiting
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:23:00 - [3] Edited by: Hardin on 13/05/2007 12:23:34 Regarding the jump you only faced a small part of the fleet on that gate and our snipers who were warping in from elsewhere pretty much ALL failed to load. As a result we lost half before we could even see what was happening. That's life I guess and it has favoured us in the past so can't complain. Nevertheless you killed a POS and we killed one of yours, you killed more of our BS but your friends lost a dread in the initial attack. From our perspective it was mission accomplished. The system was defended. The fact that you changed your mission goals after you saw our fleet was already a victory for CVA and our friends. ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
Cranewhite Lighting The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:23:00 - [4] Full frontal attack actually worked for once. :D
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:24:00 - [5] Originally by: Hardin Firtsly, did we need another thread on this when there is already a perfectly good one existing? Yes, the first was not an official announcement and it was riddled with talks of alts ect. You have to dig your way through rubbish to actually find detailed information. Now Recruiting
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:27:00 - [6] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 13/05/2007 12:28:14 Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 13/05/2007 12:21:16 Nevertheless you killed a POS and we killed one of yours, you killed more of our BS but your friends lost a dread in the initial attack. We killed a capital shipyard. you killed an un-onlined tower. Theres a difference, dont pretend there isnt. The dread fell asleap, while not much of an excuse its hardly through propper defence on the part of CVA. Also as far as numbers go, all we can base our facts on is what we saw in local. Local was 200+ before we jumped in. With many more in Misaba. I dont know what you had active. Now Recruiting
Habraka Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:28:00 - [7] Good job guys, to bad I couldn't be there myself . Now, start taking those Outposts .
Gegi Wau Minmatar Liberty Labs	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:37:00 - [8] Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 13/05/2007 12:23:34 From our perspective it was mission accomplished. The system was defended. The fact that you changed your mission goals after you saw our fleet was already a victory for CVA and our friends. This made me chuckle. I find it highly amusing how you try to spin the fact that U'K and allies attacked one of your core systems, hammered all of your starbases there into reinforced mode, and then proceeded to destroy the one that harboured a capital shipyard, all the while taking minimal losses (well, apart from that unfortunate Dread incident...)! And let's not get into a discussion about lag, which was horrible for both sides. Staring at the "Jumping" message for half an hour and then getting disconnected twice in a row really isn't particularly amusing.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 13/05/2007 12:23:34 Regarding the jump you only faced a small part of the fleet on that gate and our snipers who were warping in from elsewhere pretty much ALL failed to load. As a result we lost half before we could even see what was happening. That's life I guess and it has favoured us in the past so can't complain. Nevertheless you killed a POS and we killed one of yours, you killed more of our BS but your friends lost a dread in the initial attack. From our perspective it was mission accomplished. The system was defended. The fact that you changed your mission goals after you saw our fleet was already a victory for CVA and our friends. Your powers of spin are weak, old man The UK allied goal was 'destroy the shipyards'. And with your blob of 200 + 30 captials, I bet you felt pretty assured you would not lose them. You say 'the system was defended' and 'your mission was accomplished' - well, UK & Allies were only there to kill the shipyard, so what exactly was your mission? Protect the Sansha belt pirates? Well, yes, mission accomplished. No mission goals changed on the UK side - you lost your capital shipyard in your home system, sustained fairly heavy losses, inflicted very few losses on the UK side, and destoyed a POS which was not even online. How many onlined UK POS have you destroyed since rolling into 9UY with 3-1 odds in your favour? From any reasonable perspective, you lost the battle. At least have the good grace to rise above your Amarrian arrogance and admit it. ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:48:00 - [10] Our scouts deployed into X-R from R-3 blackholed for about 20 minutes at the height of the lag after reporting around 45 enemy battleships at the jump-in. (we lost one interceptor+pod to the CVA + friends sniper gang there) Deciding our mobile group of 25 was better use intedicting the path of CVA reinforcements to the contested system we controlled the Misaba/R3 zone for around 3 hours scoring 14 BS, 1 CBC, 5 pod, 13 other miscellaneous kills against CVA and meatshield allies for the loss of 1 friendly Megathron - keeping around 40 CVA penned up in Misaba and unable to prevent the destruction of their capital yards was a nice bonus. Was a good evening's fighting and nice to see that after all Hardin's claims to the contrary in the past week the CVA outpost was ultimately defended by the intervention of the IAC capital fleet - thus demonstrating the reliance that "NRDS" CVA places on the NBSI category IAC. So lets have no more nonsense about "piracy" or "anti piracy" eh Hardin? Star Fraction is recruiting
alpha charlie Minmatar North Eastern Swat	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:53:00 - [11] UK FTW!
ReaperOfSly Gallente Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Hardin From our perspective it was mission accomplished. The system was defended. But you failed to defend the capital shipyard. How was your system in any way defended if you allowed that to happen? Did you have some other mission we don't know about? -------------------------------------------------------------------- Beer is my religion. Guinness is my God.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:56:00 - [13] Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: Hardin From our perspective it was mission accomplished. The system was defended. But you failed to defend the capital shipyard. How was your system in any way defended if you allowed that to happen? Did you have some other mission we don't know about? Maybe he was running L4 Worlds Collide? ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
alpha charlie Minmatar North Eastern Swat	Posted - 2007.05.13 12:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: ReaperOfSly Originally by: Hardin From our perspective it was mission accomplished. The system was defended. But you failed to defend the capital shipyard. How was your system in any way defended if you allowed that to happen? Did you have some other mission we don't know about? Maybe he was running L4 Worlds Collide?
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:10:00 - [15] Originally by: Eddie Gordo We killed a capital shipyard. you killed an un-onlined tower. Theres a difference, dont pretend there isnt. both sides killed a pos that was not defended. now we're back to 4 cva towers (1 reinforced) and zero uk towers in the system.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:12:00 - [16] Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne Originally by: Eddie Gordo We killed a capital shipyard. you killed an un-onlined tower. Theres a difference, dont pretend there isnt. both sides killed a pos that was not defended. now we're back to 4 cva towers (1 reinforced) and zero uk towers in the system. one pos wasnt offline the other had 49% shields and 6 guns, geting enegaged by a sniper fleet yes its very much the same thing Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:16:00 - [17] Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne Originally by: Eddie Gordo We killed a capital shipyard. you killed an un-onlined tower. Theres a difference, dont pretend there isnt. both sides killed a pos that was not defended. now we're back to 4 cva towers (1 reinforced) and zero uk towers in the system. Yes, of course, your 200 person blob was just there to sit back in Coverts and watch the capital shipyard blow up. Silly us thinking you were there to defend it. By the way, how many of UK's POS have you destroyed in 9UY? ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Ikar Kaltin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:19:00 - [18] Im posting here, not because I feel the need, but because Im annoyed at the inacuracies and generally because butter dog feels the need to open his mouth (which means even more BS is soon to follow). CVA ships couldnt do sod all on your jump in. All our ships trying to warp in just didnt load and were killed 1 by 1. Our ships didnt wipe you out at the pos because it wasnt worth the lag warping in, where you would then see us, warp to a different spot and bubble us and kill us all before the grid loaded. The POS didnt mean anything to us, so we figured it wasnt worth the hastle of losing dozens of ships to lag. And Jade, what is with the "look at me, oooo oooo here me me me" attitude you seem to have. At every turn you seem to be trying to draw attention to yourself. You seem to bloat up your own role alot, to play things to how great you were. Considering there were those 40+ battleships on the gate, and they didnt jump in to slaughter you maybe implies something about what our goals were and that all that were coming from misaba were already there? Those that engaged you in misaba were neutrals trying to do whatever they were doing. You dont actually realise your such a minor part of everything that no one actually cares about you, and that the fact that you have to draw attention to yourself is not a good thing...
Ikar Kaltin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:22:00 - [19] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne Originally by: Eddie Gordo We killed a capital shipyard. you killed an un-onlined tower. Theres a difference, dont pretend there isnt. both sides killed a pos that was not defended. now we're back to 4 cva towers (1 reinforced) and zero uk towers in the system. Yes, of course, your 200 person blob was just there to sit back in Coverts and watch the capital shipyard blow up. Silly us thinking you were there to defend it. By the way, how many of UK's POS have you destroyed in 9UY? How many towers have we get go offline so that the enemy could destroy all important mods and steal all ships being stored at that pos in 9uy? By the way, how many UK ships are actually involved in the defence of their own system, maybe 20% of the total of those involved? And how many completly pointless posts do you make, either on your main or your alt, which actually mean nothing, made because you think it makes you look big and impressive but actually makes you look like a muppet.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:26:00 - [20] Originally by: Ikar Kaltin Im posting here, not because I feel the need, but because Im annoyed at the inacuracies and generally because butter dog feels the need to open his mouth (which means even more BS is soon to follow). CVA ships couldnt do sod all on your jump in. All our ships trying to warp in just didnt load and were killed 1 by 1. Our ships didnt wipe you out at the pos because it wasnt worth the lag warping in, where you would then see us, warp to a different spot and bubble us and kill us all before the grid loaded. The POS didnt mean anything to us, so we figured it wasnt worth the hastle of losing dozens of ships to lag. Lag favours the defender (that would be you) - both sides face it, but the people with the prepared position start off stronger. I think it's interesting to see repeated assertions that that POS was meaningless. Almost as if you're trying to convince someone or something.
Solusar Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:28:00 - [21] Edited by: Solusar on 13/05/2007 13:29:27 What could of been a nice fight at the gate ended up with none of the CVA forces even loading the grid yay. That would explain how you took next to no loses jumping into a bubbled gate. I believe the only part of our fleet that loaded the grid was a small number of IAC vessels. Local was at 158 when you guys first jumped in, ill go see if I can find some screenshots. Local topped out at around 250-260 so that suggests you brought less than 50 people if your numbers are accurate? Our gang was 135 when we engaged your fleet at your POS, not 200+. At that point there was 220 people in local, so again if we were 200+ you had less than 20 people in local. After that point we were on the defensive, as Hardin has pointed out we waited for you to attack a POS with defenses, you didnt, you left/routed. We secured the system. Job done. The war rolls on.
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:34:00 - [22] 'Buzzard' Class Covert Ops: HMS Mirage Undisclosed Location - deep space The Bashar began to relax in his pod. The cloak was running at full efficiency and the crew had been ordered to get some rest in rotation. After nearly 24hrs of constant activity the crew were, like much of the fleet, asleep on their feet. The Bashar reflected on the past 24hrs.... They'd done an amazing thing. Whilst the slavers slept soundly in the belief that they were safe, the Ushra'Khan fleet with strong allied support had been able to strike a great blow against an enemy firmly believing themselves to be above attack. He knew that in the coming days the enemy would undoubtably attempt to spin the loss as a victory on the galnet boards. If you're losing or have lost a fight it doesn't do well to let everyone see that you've just been kicked in the nuts afterall. True, it would have been better to have killed it when it was building the most recent mothership but depriving CVA and IAC of a secure base to build further monsterous Super Capitals when facing 2:1 odds against was a Ushra'Khan victory no matter how much spin they might try. He thought back over the fight, analysing it for any possible changes to make in future engagements. Deploying the tower had been an afterthought and as soon as it had become apparant that the enemy were finally willing to engage with 4:1 odds in their favour, U'K had decided to go. The Bashar chuckled briefly whilst considering how for a race of people believing themselves to be so superior, they seemed awfully scared of fighting on a level playing field. The withdrawl had been scrappy for sure, he began wording a memo to the troops to apologise for that. It seemed like a control malfunction had lead to the majority of the fleet being warped to a random belt location rather than them having been able to take combat positions up around the gate in x6. He remembered W9-DID and the last time they'd used this manouver to catch and anhillate an IAC fleet. As he began to drift to sleep The Bashar started to close the comms channels down, thanks was due to the stirling work of all allied forces and he just hoped they realised that this operation was as much a victory for them as for Ushra'Khan. The amount of anger that CVA appeared to have reaped no only for their slaver ways but their alliances with the likes of IAC never ceased to amaze him. With his last waking thoughts he quickly typed a memo to the troops, 'Victory for the Minmatar! We came like a storm on the wind and we crushed what most would have considered a superior force. They watched on as we killed a prized industrial facility afraid to leave their shields. Even with irregularities in the withdrawl they killed minimal ships and far too little to offset their losses in the earlier decimation. We are Ushra'Khan! We come for our people! We will fight all those that enslave our people and we will scatter them into the void. You have fought well today and you do yourselves honour.' The Bashar saluted as he ended the comms message and then slowly drifted into sleep. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Tar Kovsky Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:35:00 - [23] Originally by: Ikar Kaltin By the way, how many UK ships are actually involved in the defence of their own system, maybe 20% of the total of those involved? Given that all the CVA attacks on our systems have included pilots from PIE, VV, NOS and Delictum, and that more recently you've added AM, Sev3rance, North Star, and Paxton, this seems like a rather odd point to be hung up on. CVA on its own outnumbers U'K by itself. You are a richer and more powerful alliance with a higher percentage of skilled pilots. Whining about our allies doesn't do much for your public appearance. I'm not sure why you'd think that we would just roll over and die for you.
LiquidSteele Exit 13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:36:00 - [24] Whatever the Amarrian pawns say congrats to U'K and allies on wiping out a capital ship POS. Sincerly, LS
Fear Not 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:36:00 - [25] Edited by: Fear Not on 13/05/2007 13:37:01 Originally by: Ikar Kaltin CVA ships couldnt do sod all on your jump in. All our ships trying to warp in just didnt load and were killed 1 by 1. As someone jumping in, I can assure you I could do nothing also. I died before I had any control over my ship. Typically lag favours the defender, so it is likely you would have had less lag than us. You did try to defend that POS, otherwise you wouldn't have had so many in that system (including IAC!!!), bubbles on the gate, and such. Saying otherwise is just silly. You have lost your capital ship yard and 7 capitals. We have lost a single dread* and an anchored-but-not-yet-onlined control tower. *The dread did not die because CVA 'did' anything, not a single CVA member attacked it. Any attempt to spin this as a CVA victory is laughable. You are losing, big time.
Jon Hawkes The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:39:00 - [26] Originally by: Ikar Kaltin The POS didnt mean anything to us, so we figured it wasnt worth the hastle of losing dozens of ships... Yeah, we take that approach to all of our Capital Shipyards too.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:42:00 - [27] Originally by: Ikar Kaltin How many towers have we get go offline so that the enemy could destroy all important mods and steal all ships being stored at that pos in 9uy? By the way, how many UK ships are actually involved in the defence of their own system, maybe 20% of the total of those involved? And how many completly pointless posts do you make, either on your main or your alt, which actually mean nothing, made because you think it makes you look big and impressive but actually makes you look like a muppet. This post has it all; * A whine about UK having friends (depsite over half the X-R defenders being non-CVA) * A trivial and unrelated story about some offline POS * A personal attack ... bitter, much? ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:49:00 - [28] Edited by: Udyr Vulpayne on 13/05/2007 13:47:45 Originally by: Fear Not You did try to defend that POS, otherwise you wouldn't have had so many in that system (including IAC!!!), bubbles on the gate, and such. Saying otherwise is just silly. maybe read the op. your forces decided to attack the least defended pos first. we let it die as we wanted to bring the main fight at a better defended pos. after the weak pos died your forces packed up and ran leaving a halfway anchored tower and a few straglers behind to get killed. if you had actually stayed around for the main fight then maybe you could claim victory here.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:51:00 - [29] Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne your forces decided to attack the least defended pos first. Hello, anyone home? We only came in to kill your Capital Shipyard. Based on this mission objective, can you guess why we might have attacked that POS? ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.13 13:52:00 - [30] A foothold in x-r was always secondary to killing the capital shipyard. Obviously this is not a total victory, but to claim we were somehow defeated is pure folly. This is far from over. Now Recruiting

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