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MATANDO
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Posted - 2004.01.06 23:54:00 -
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Since I came above 4.0 standing I haven't received any usefull rewards anymore.
This seems strainge since I got quite a bit before that. Does anybody else also notice really bad rewards the last few days?
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Admiral Jojon
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Posted - 2004.01.07 00:38:00 -
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Yepp, instead of the sweet super-isk bonus rewards, i get a shuttle or 125mm railguns 
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.07 00:51:00 -
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They do seem to go in fits and starts but over the long haul they all even out...
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Nephilim Xeno
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Posted - 2004.01.07 00:56:00 -
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i can confirm this
since i got a 6+(not sure about that) standing to the corp and agent i did not get any implant missions anymore
when i switched to a new corp/ agent i got an implant mission after the first 3 missions 
even with my corp and agent standing being very low
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Syme
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Posted - 2004.01.07 01:54:00 -
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Yes this seems to be the way, I have 9.6 standing with my agent and haven't received an implant for days. A corp mate started on a new level 3 tonight and got 2 implant missions within a few missions.
Not impressed at all
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Xailia
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Posted - 2004.01.07 02:10:00 -
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It almost seems worth it to refuse missions until you get back down, and then start doing them again...
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Azyla
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Posted - 2004.01.07 02:39:00 -
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I have done missions for about 14 lvl3 agents at all kinds of standings (almost) and have only recived 1 implant so far....
If someone here needs some tobaco, fertilizers or shuttles (or all of it) I'm willing to trade for an implant 
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Ezra
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Posted - 2004.01.07 02:49:00 -
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Was getting crap rewards from my Duvolle agent. Same story as everyone else - had high standing and things got to be pretty crappy.
(7.5+ corp, 6+ agent)
I moved over to an L3 FedMart. Second mission was a skill.
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Ezra Cornell
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voogru
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Posted - 2004.01.07 03:06:00 -
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I have a 9.0 standing with Duvolle labs, recieved 1 implant when my standing was around 7.0, I have also done about 200+ missions since and not a single implant, though I have gotten skills.
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Pinkoir
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Posted - 2004.01.07 04:56:00 -
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I am quite quite sure that the loot-tables for agents are standing dependant. I have no clue what the thresholds are to move from one table to the next but they must exist. When I first started working for my corp (at a 1.00 corp standing) I got very few skillbooks and not to many components either...most of the reward was in the form of frozen food and construction blocks (guess who my corp is :) ) I NEVER got shuttles. I worked my way up to Lv3 agents and a standing of around 4-5 and they were giving me more skillbooks but also mad amounts of tradegoods; shuttles started to drop (but slowly) as well. At a certain point the tradegoods dried up and the components really started to flow...shuttle drops picked up too. Now I have noticed that the components have started to slow down and the shuttles are coming on harder. I NEVER get tradegood rewards anymore. My corp standing right now is 8.2 base and I'm not to keen to get it any higher.
I think it would be very interesting for somebody with a high standing to intentionally bork themselves back down to a corp standing of like 5 or 6 to see if the drops they get change. I bet they do.
-Pinkoir
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Baldour Ngarr
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Posted - 2004.01.07 07:55:00 -
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My standing for Fed Navy is effectively over 9. I get skills, tech and implants by the boatload.
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Skunk
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Posted - 2004.01.07 07:55:00 -
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I've got a 9.2 corp standing and a 9.4 agent standing. My agent still gives me implants, tech2 parts and skills ( and about 800 shuttles so far ) and a BS to kill every now and then.
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Erim Kaluk
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Posted - 2004.01.07 07:59:00 -
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This could be something to do with the fact that the agents think the runner should move up to a lvl 4 or 5 agent. Of course, since the lvl 4 and 5 agents still aren't implemented, there's not much we can do. (Just an idea though.)
It would be nice if one of the Devs could give us an answer.
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.01.07 09:01:00 -
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In all my time as an agent runner I have recived a total of 2 implants and that was before Castor.
After Castor I have only recived ISK, Tech II components, skillbooks and shuttles en mass.
I got a corporation of 7+ and agent 6+.
I think getting implants is a case of luck, albeit the loot tables and formulas seem a bit FUBAR to me.
I am not sure how the loot system work, but they should look at the way Diablo II works with items divided into treasure groups and then the higher the groups the less chance of the item "droping" from a kill/reward. They woudl have to turn various killabel items into level too, so that a 3,5k frigate do not drop something it should not be able to do due to it's level.
If anyone has intrest in the brillian loot system of Diablo II a guide can be found at www.diabloii.org.
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Tanner Mirabel
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Posted - 2004.01.07 09:26:00 -
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Ive got a corp standing of about 9.2, Ive done hundreds of missions since Castor and only got 2 implants. I don't think its standing though as I have corp mates who have lower standing with their corps and they have had no better success than I have. I did hear a rumour that there may be a trigger that makes the implant missions drop but Im dont know what it would be.
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Padraig O'Casside
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Posted - 2004.01.07 10:59:00 -
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I think that the implant missions are purely random, I work for the Caldari Navy, so needless to say I love kill missions. I've noticed that as my standings increased the ratio between courier missions to kill missions slowly slid towards more and more courier missions... So here's the weird part, I just finish rejecting two courier missions, then whammo, my agent hit's me up with an implant mission!
explain that?!
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Juggler Smith
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Posted - 2004.01.07 11:29:00 -
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Strange same happens to me. I take on missions and not made them (homeless) and my agent rewarded me with 2 Implants ????
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INkog
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Posted - 2004.01.07 11:55:00 -
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I was planning on moving to a corp with R&D, but have been putting it off because I was making so much damn money. But like so many others, as it seems, my agent just dried up and hasent given me ANY special missions/rewards in my past 50 or so visits. Not to mention I have THE best lvl III agent in the corp and she only has a regular standing of 7.
So I plan to do the little 'experiment' posted earlier and turn down a bunch of sh1t missions and see what happens. I think my corp standing is about 7.8 before my skill mods, so I'll drop it back down to around 6 and see what happens . (The ***** has yet to give me a implant anyway  )
I'll let you know how it goes...
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disaster
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Posted - 2004.01.07 11:58:00 -
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same here after refusing 2 or 3 missions
she told me i did lots of missions succesfull
and i sould be rewarded with an implant
3 times in a role :)
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Chai N'Dorr
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Posted - 2004.01.07 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Chai N'Dorr on 07/01/2004 12:02:02
Could be logic in it. I've stopped working for my 9.77 standing Agent and went do another as her missions and rewards became utter crap.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2004.01.07 13:24:00 -
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Hmmm. I still get good sruff from my agent with standings over +7.
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INkog
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Posted - 2004.01.07 14:48:00 -
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OK I tried 'our little experiment'...
after the FIRST mission I declined, I got a mission for a Willpower implant! Yes I agree, I do not believe it myself. This is the first implant mission I have been given the entire time I've been with with this corp. ( over 200 missions easily) It is also the first mission I have failed in since my standing was about 4.0.
I think this is definatly worth looking into further. I'll continue to post my findings...
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SUNscatcher
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Posted - 2004.01.07 18:00:00 -
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After switching to a navy agent I received two implants quickly and none since. The usually trick of rejecting a few missions to break the cycle hasn't worked for me though it was a good trick prior to castor.
But I have to agree based upon my experiences since castor once my standing broke the 4.0 barrier my rewards have appeared to dimish. I am constantly getting "important" missions with a reward and bonus totalling little over 100k in value. Prior to that " I know this may seem trivial" mission sometime brought in over 200K.
I would think that as I improved my standing with a corp and agent not only would I receive more challanging missions but also missions that provided a larger reward.
I'll probably pick another corp and start working them for a while and see if the "goldrush" comes back.
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Papa Smurf
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Posted - 2004.01.07 22:15:00 -
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I am quite quite sure that the loot-tables for agents are standing dependant.
*snip*
They're not standing dependant.
Perhaps a bug, haven't spotted one like that for a while, but I'll take another look at it.
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Stoop
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Posted - 2004.01.07 22:20:00 -
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Papa do all corporations give out an implant of some sort? I have yet to hear anyone say anything about Carthum Conlomerate handing out any, and I haven't had any luck myself. This after going from 0.0 with them to over 5.0.
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Victoria Madison
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Posted - 2004.01.08 01:50:00 -
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Papa do all corporations give out an implant of some sort? I have yet to hear anyone say anything about Carthum Conlomerate handing out any, and I haven't had any luck myself. This after going from 0.0 with them to over 5.0.
Stoop, I have a friend who does missions for Carthum and he has told me that he got an implant. Now, he could be wrong / mistaken / lying to me...but I thought I'd pass along as much as I know.
Sorry I don't know anything more definitive.
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Cirle
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Posted - 2004.01.08 01:56:00 -
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Quote:
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Papa do all corporations give out an implant of some sort? I have yet to hear anyone say anything about Carthum Conlomerate handing out any, and I haven't had any luck myself. This after going from 0.0 with them to over 5.0.
Stoop, I have a friend who does missions for Carthum and he has told me that he got an implant. Now, he could be wrong / mistaken / lying to me...but I thought I'd pass along as much as I know.
Sorry I don't know anything more definitive.
-Victoria
Assuming that the implant mission is the same in Amarr as Caldari, and from the names of the missions they all look similar, then yes, it does look like they give out implants.
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Ezra
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Posted - 2004.01.08 03:10:00 -
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Edited by: Ezra on 08/01/2004 03:56:03
Edited by: Ezra on 08/01/2004 03:12:51
I'm starting to buy into the "higher standing equals worse rewards" camp...
I've been running Duvolle agents for a while. For the past 40-50 missions the rewards have been crap. No skills, no implants, trade good/construction component rewards decreasing in frequency, and the ISK rewards getting to be less.
I just switched to a lower quality FedMart L3. In less than 10 missions I've received two skills and an Imicus, plus some components, starting with 0 corp and agent standing.
Could reward quality be related to how much your standing has increased in a given period of time? Thus as your standing increases, the increase per mission is lower, making the rewards worse. Kind of like the old bug where if a pirate had -10.0 security status he could go on a killing spree in empire space because of the fact that police response was only linked to drops in secstatus and you couldn't drop below -10.0
Edit: I'm now on skillmission #3 from FedMart, it's my tenth mission with them.
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Ezra Cornell
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Tyria Evenstar
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Posted - 2004.01.08 09:01:00 -
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I have noticed this kind of thing too.
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Stradivarious Hawke
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Posted - 2004.01.08 09:59:00 -
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The very same thing happened to me.
Got my one and only implant mission from my old bp agent a coupla days after castor, when my standings were still fairly low ( 50% reduction due to patch ).
Now I've over 8.5 corp standing and 7.5 agent standing and I've noticed that I'm getting a lot of isk special rewards ( but no outstanding amounts, something like 60 k, 80 k ) and shuttles too.
Tech 2 construction material prizes have become very rare ,though i get larger amounts than I used to with lower standings .
R.Db rewards have basically disappeared.
I got my fair share of skillbooks and important missions I think.
Declining missions didn't work for me either.
At one time I was getting so crappy rewards that I started refusing all missions to see what i'd get.
Well, after refusing 20 or so missions ( all crappy rewards ) I lucked out (!) and got a 36 jumps round trip hauler mission with a sucky money special reward....
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Judicator
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Posted - 2004.01.08 11:32:00 -
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My agent is getting really dodgy too. She hands out lots of super ISK rewards, 100,000+, but aside from that it's mostly shuttels.
As I wrote earlier I have not seen a singel implant sicne Castor. I think I will try and locate a new level 3 agent tonight and see what gives.
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2004.01.08 12:05:00 -
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I've been running two agents for the same corp and have 8.0+ standing with each and 8.0+ with corp. Received 5 implants since I hit 6.0 or so standing and probably around 10 or so skills.
Implants paid for my battleship by themselves :)
Infinity
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s4mp3r0r
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Posted - 2004.01.08 12:18:00 -
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Ive been doing missions for about 2 weeks straight (sick at home) for a lot of hours a day.
I can say I'm content with the amount of tech 2 materials and skills I get.
But I only got one implant. That was within 20 missions. I think I can safely say I did more than 200.
I have already declined a couple of missions but I'm not getting any implants anymore.....
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MATANDO
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Posted - 2004.01.08 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: MATANDO on 08/01/2004 12:44:34
So it seems that I am not the only one.
I had exactly the same as some of you, first 20/30 missions got a lot of skills then after reaching standing 3.0 got 2 implants and a lot of tech 2 building stuff untill I reached 4.0 - 4.5 then all I got were few tech2 mostly only isk and even missions without a bonus for quick finishing.
Someone in my corp just started with a new agent and got 2 different implants and some skills allmost at once.
Papa Smurf It would make sense to give highter rewards to people who have a high standing towards an agent and his Corp after all you do have to stick a lot of time in it!
Anyways untill this get's changed I guess I am going to start for a different agent now.
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Threadcrapper
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Posted - 2004.01.08 16:36:00 -
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I just started doing agnet missions about 2 weeks ago
I started with a 0.0 with Lai Dai and have worked my way up to a 3.23 (including my connections lvl 3) so about a 2.3 actual
I now have access to all level 2 agents
Level 1 agent worked good - did a ton of missions and swapped em around between a few agents - got a standings mission and bumped to lvl 2 agents
Worked for about 3 or 4 lvl 2 agents for a long time - 1 agent in particular I did about 60-70 missions for -- she gave me a bunch of tech 2 stuff to start then bam 2 faction missions in a row - more tech 2 loot -- now she wont even give me a mission with a bonus -- I swapped to a different lvl 2 - with a lower effective quality, in effort to make the first one jealous and want me back - and got a faction and 2 skill missions in the first 10 missions i got - now it is only courrier missions and a few kill (every 10-15)
I swapped to the highest lvl 2 agent - a effective quality of 30 - I have done about 10 missions for her and got only 1 mission with a tech 2 bounus - all low transactions
I am seeing a trend as the better my standings get the fewer good missions I am getting -- I hope this changes as soon as I get to the lvl 3
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Temujin Destovai
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Posted - 2004.01.08 19:08:00 -
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Ya as my standings increased my rewards got worse and worse. I havent seen tools/components in ages, never had an implant mission at all, and even isk is getting less it seems (at 8+ with agent and corp and 42 EQ and getting 45k isk basic mission / 1k bonus)
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gigatech2000
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Posted - 2004.01.08 21:20:00 -
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I now have 9.07 and still no implants. Not even one little tiny implant  . I must be doing something wrong or my agent just dont like me.
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voogru
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Posted - 2004.01.08 21:52:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 08/01/2004 21:53:27
You know whats fun, getting implants when my standing with the agent is -1.80 and corp standing is only like 4.0
(Willpower implants).
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Pilthanis
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Posted - 2004.01.08 22:09:00 -
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This is not working, Agent missions are as above, the better the ranking the worse the mission reward. Why doesn't CCP look into this. We all do more missions in the hope a good one will come along but it doesn't. Why is everything backwards in Eve!
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Elfman
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Posted - 2004.01.08 22:15:00 -
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Noticed this as well. I have run lots of mission post castor and every now and again it goes through a patch of rubbish.
By rubbish I mean really low isk payment and usless bonus.
Then it will go back t the normal isk and decent(ish) bonus
Havent manged to work out a reason for this
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2004.01.08 23:10:00 -
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Running missions for agents ranging from -1 standing to +8.5 standing, this is total crap
There are more isk rewards across the boards people, your all just higher in standing now, and think its some sort of conspiricy.
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Ezra
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Posted - 2004.01.08 23:41:00 -
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Running missions for agents ranging from -1 standing to +8.5 standing, this is total crap
There are more isk rewards across the boards people, your all just higher in standing now, and think its some sort of conspiricy.
Then why is it that better rewards show up as soon as someone moves to a different agent with lower standing?
I had high (7.5+ base) standing with Duvolle, and was getting nothing but ISK rewards with most missions.
I switched to FedMart, 0 corp/agent standing, and received 3 skillmissions, a component reward, and a free Imicus within 10 missions.
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2004.01.09 00:11:00 -
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Coincedence, thats all
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.01.09 00:21:00 -
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I also cant find anything to substantiate a change in reward by standing.
I receive lots of rewards, good ones, because with v high stnading i turn down the crappy jobs and now only do the good reward ones..
I have switched from an R&D corp to aother two simply to get different implants and have done so without fail.
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.01.09 00:25:00 -
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My hypothosis is that during a mission formulation, that an agent figures ~ISK that he/she feels the bonus is worth, and then randomly (some percentage) chooses to get an item or group of items that are approximatly worth that value. That list of items comes from the corp's loot table, but has a bunch of things removed, that being most of the high-end items. So after a certain point you make TOO much "potential" ISK to figure into the loot tables anymore.
It's still an idea I'm experimenting with.
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Falbala
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Posted - 2004.01.09 00:53:00 -
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I think it has been nerfed just after Castor because I got a Medium Ammo BP from quality 18 level 1 agent, with not much personal standing and with negociation 3 and other people got awesome rewards from higher level agents.
How exactly I have no idea, maybe like you said, it looks to me that negociation is completely useless now, the effective quality maybe affect the number of shuttles or isk you get but not what you get.
It might have something to see with mission rate, if you do missions more often then the quality of bonuses would drop.
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2004.01.09 03:34:00 -
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remember, standing doesnt determine reward, quality does. Standing does have an effect on quality, but its not very much. Best way to increase reward is with negotiations skill.
Also, theres a natural flux in the reward, its not set (or at least not to my knowledge), so the chances of you noticing a gradual average increase in rewards are very slim, but if you were to do 10 missions for a 0 eff quality agent, total your reward, then get that agent to 30 eff quality, do another 10 missions, and total the reward, there should be a net increase (discounting skills/implants that would greatly effect that reward figure).
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Riana Tabost
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Posted - 2004.01.09 04:19:00 -
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They're not standing dependant.
Perhaps a bug, haven't spotted one like that for a while, but I'll take another look at it.
Papa Smurf: So you're saying the chances of getting an implant are not standing dependant at all? That would account for those people saying "My first level 3 mission gave me an implant!" The number of people in this topic alone saying they fail a mission then receive an implant shortly after is... statistically interesting.
Before Castor I had the same problem. First implant at around 80 missions, no fails and continued to over 200 missions without implants. Failed one mission then started receiving 1 implant / 15 missions for missions 200->340 or so
Similar topic was around in the missions forum around that time...
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Zugg
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Posted - 2004.01.09 05:01:00 -
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As soon as i hit either negoiation 4 or 7.xx with my agent the rewards withered out to 50-60% of what i wwas getting before. I do not know which was the cause because they both happened roughly the same time.
Yeah the implant thing is buggy. This same agent gave me an implant mission for my very first mission. Yet here i am quality 40 now and still have not seen another.
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Foomanshoe
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Posted - 2004.01.09 06:42:00 -
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Implants used to be standing dependant pre-castor, but im fairly sure they are not anymore.
it took 200+ missions to get my first implant post-castor, but ive switched corps and got one relatively quickly (20 missions) with a low standing with the corp.
Unless of course its the faction standing that is now the minimum standing, which it very well could be. Otherwise its just luck.
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Ezra
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Posted - 2004.01.09 06:46:00 -
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Quote:
My hypothosis is that during a mission formulation, that an agent figures ~ISK that he/she feels the bonus is worth, and then randomly (some percentage) chooses to get an item or group of items that are approximatly worth that value. That list of items comes from the corp's loot table, but has a bunch of things removed, that being most of the high-end items. So after a certain point you make TOO much "potential" ISK to figure into the loot tables anymore.
It's still an idea I'm experimenting with.
One thing I'm wondering, that would jive with the current standing system, is if rewards are linked to the standing gain of a mission. i.e. the greater the standing gain, the greater a chance of getting a good reward. But instead of being linked to the percentages, they are linked to absolute gains. Thus, as your standing increases, the absolute gains per mission decrease, making the chances for good rewards significantly less.
Either way, quality seems to do nothing, because I did better BEFORE training Negotiation skill up with my Duvolle agents, and currently do better with a lower-quality FedMart agent.
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Jobe Calandri
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Posted - 2004.01.09 09:39:00 -
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Got bored yesterday - reached 9.0 with my lvl 3 agent. Received 2 memory implants and about 8 adv skills on the way up to that post castor (was 6.0 pre-castor)early on.
Hadnt had ****e for ages save 80k missions with 120k rewards and loads of tech 2 parts, so decided to just decline mission after mission til I got some good stuff.. either implant of adv skill
5 straight declines after another got memory implant mission offered. Sweet - droped to 8.3 standing. Sorted. Again declined loads again - got 2 adv skill missions (completed) standing 6.2, declined 5 more - implant mission memory - standing 4.5 ish. kept on declining - 1 adv skill - standing 3.0 - kept on declining till agent refused me at 2.5 standing.
Conculsion - lost all my standing with lvl 3 agent - made - 2 implants @ 17 ish mil and 3 adv skills - so made i.r.o 45 mil knocking back the agent till it hurts.
Come back Plouse Olandes lvl 2 agent all is forgiven!
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2004.01.09 13:26:00 -
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I have 2 lvl 3 agents I work for.
One is EQ 45 rating 9.76 (superb)
the other is EQ 31 rating 9.5 (superb)
Corp standing is 9.6 (superb)
Faction is 7.06
Haven't had an implant for over a hundred missions, the tech2 component rewards appear to have shrunk is quantity, and the cash rewards have yet to exceeed 200k total.
I'm gonna start mass-refusing one of these guys, and continue with the other as before.
I'll let you know if anything turns up.
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SUNscatcher
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Posted - 2004.01.09 15:29:00 -
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Edited by: SUNscatcher on 09/01/2004 15:31:46
I'm working three agents out of the same station. I simply refuse assignments till I get what I want(not implants unfortunately). I'm able to gain either, tech 2 stuff, >200K isk missions, or the good loot drop missions.
Working three agents at once makes it easier to bring the corp standing back up to. Also these agents are all Navy so courrier are auto rejected thus max travel on any mission is 2 jumps(50% in same system, 45% one jump, 2 jumps the rest). I have also recieved three perception implants since castor(which I thought odd cause before castor all I got was memory[caldari]) and have recieved no implants from the agents I received all my implants from prior to castor(got tired of 30jump courrier missions one way).
I have also gone to other corps I dont use and simply reject missions till I get the homeless or superconductor missions, accept and fail to get the stuff and continue till the refuse me then bounce to another corp and repeat. Long term effect this will Have I have no idea but its keeping me in homeless.
PS This is a total change in my approach because the only thing standing seems to have an affect on is whether or not an agent will talk to you. Thus the system seems borked ........
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Wraeththu
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Posted - 2004.01.09 22:18:00 -
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It has been said multiple times that the type of implant is now based on corporation and not faction. Hence why you get perception now.
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Zugg
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Posted - 2004.01.09 22:42:00 -
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I would have thought we would have heard something from one of the mission developers on this subject by now.
It seems almost everyone reaching a high standing is seeing diminishing returns as their standings get higher. Almost everyone with a high standing is having this problem, not just a few here and there.
Even my straight cash mission rewards have declined down to 50-60k for mission completion and a bonus of 40-60k. Where before I would get cash missions for 200-300k on the average. This is in despite of the fact that I trained negotiations to level 4. My tech II components and tools rewards have been cut by 50% as well. Skills are rarely seen as rewards now.
My theory is the rewards system is completely backwards regarding standings. Hence the implant mission I received for my first mission and none since. This being a HUGE mistake in coding the developers do not know what to do about it, which is why we have not heard anything back on it.
The Dark Seraphs...like Hells Angels, but less hairy |
Nephilim Xeno
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Posted - 2004.01.10 02:45:00 -
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rejecting really seems to help i got 3 perception implants in 2 days 
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Tredegar
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Posted - 2004.01.10 06:01:00 -
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I started with about the worst lev 3 agent that Astral Mining has. I now have a 6.6 rating with her and she has started to reward me with implants. I have received 2 Willpower implants in the past 10 missions or so. Her base rating is -19 and modified to a 2 with all my skills. It did take me a while to get it so she doesn't charge me an arm and a leg for collateral. Witha ll that has been said and done I am not sure what a high rated agent gives you instead of a low quality one.
"I may be a craven little coward, but I'm a greedy craven little coward." Daffy Duck |
Gariuys
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Posted - 2004.01.10 07:40:00 -
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k I'm not even gonna bother reading this thread, but I can safely say that it isn't true, I've got 9.9 with the corp I work for, and the rewards are just fine, and the important missions frequent. It's a random system and from what I can see, the system is working beautifuly.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
EagleHawk RockClimber
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Posted - 2004.01.10 09:04:00 -
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Edited by: EagleHawk RockClimber on 10/01/2004 19:45:30
Edited by: EagleHawk RockClimber on 10/01/2004 19:43:42
Edited by: EagleHawk RockClimber on 10/01/2004 10:23:32
Edited by: EagleHawk RockClimber on 10/01/2004 09:32:31
I have been with my agent for several Months. Precastor (obviously) and Post Castor. (As well as a Level 3 R&D agent) Post Castor I have received implant or high quality rewards but then some missions were bugged and it is crystal clear that things got tweaked. I have not recieved an Implant since pre-Christmas and my agent standing is 9.99. I noticed that my missions are fun but are not wide in varriation. I used to get kill missions with 55k rats. Now the highest I get is an ocassional 35k. Someone has been tweaking things and it is not in our favor.
ON a Different Subject. Pre Christmas I had a mission that required me to get a Defunct Drone Sensor Module out of Tama. The Debris Field had no rats in it and the Sensor Cans were empty. I noticed a giant secure Corp can there as well and figured that it was camped..... well I am not one to fail missions. It goes against the grain. So I petitioned and had my Corp Director Purchase the Module for 500k so I would get the bonus and not fail. The bonus was a Tristan BP. I did not get the Bonus 'cause I waited to see if the Sensor Mod would pop. I did not wait long enough cause I just received Mail From Pann (following Papa Smurf's recomendation) stating that their QA Checked out the Chaos and Tranquility servers and sure enough the Modules popped once per hour. NOW>>>>> I WANT TO KNOW how the hell am I supposed to go on missions and golly gee guess I'll wait here an hour to see if a module will pop when it is not in the mission brief at all???? SO Pann declined to repay me the 500k I spent getting the module from some griefer.... EVEN though they previously paid out for bug caused errors. A non R&D Mission is supposed to pop an item required. I was also told by the Original GM Gusto that it was posted here that Mission specialists were not to purchase required mission items but that they were to petition. ALL I have to say to that is NUTS and Malarky! IF there is a pertinant bit of news for immediate resolution of a game problem it should be in the news. GMs are required to read the boards prior to play/work ( I assume), Players are not. I don't have time to sift through all the posts in this place. So to Papa Smurf. I disagree with your decision. IT is Flawed.
To Pann, I am appreciative and amazed that ya'll spent so much time and messages checking out the situation and I am indebted to your extreeme dilligence.
That is customer service that goes beyond the call of duty. Even if I don't agree with you and Papa Smurf on the resolution, I respect your effort.
Thank you
EagleHawk
Post Script: Statistics Pre-Castor I had well over 600 missions with my Fed Navy Agent. My Charisma is 20, Social 5, Negotiations 4 (5 in work), Connections 4
Regarding the Tama Mision: I failed to mention that that was the Identical Mission for the Gallente Racial Blue Print (Pre-Castor) so I knew it would or should be tough so that not only was my time wasted but 2 other members of the tight knit group in the Missions Channel joined me to lend a hand as we expected 18-20 missle firing NPC Rats...... I never saw that mission again and I never see any scenario missions.
Regards
EagleHawk
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Falbala
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Posted - 2004.01.10 14:20:00 -
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To resume what I think about rewards, would I raise negociation skill from 3 to 5? No. Actually, I would even be interested by lowering it.
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IZON
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Posted - 2004.01.10 15:14:00 -
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I think that the implant missions are purely random, I work for the Caldari Navy, so needless to say I love kill missions. I've noticed that as my standings increased the ratio between courier missions to kill missions slowly slid towards more and more courier missions... So here's the weird part, I just finish rejecting two courier missions, then whammo, my agent hit's me up with an implant mission!
explain that?!
Whoa!, that's precisely what happened to me! could that be the trigger?
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IZON
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Posted - 2004.01.10 15:46:00 -
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Someone in my corp just started with a new agent and got 2 different implants and some skills allmost at once.
Papa Smurf It would make sense to give highter rewards to people who have a high standing towards an agent and his Corp after all you do have to stick a lot of time in it!
I agree totally, considering the number of similar posts here, then it's a safe bet to argue that something's probably borked. It needs tweaking, at least so that pilots who have done the time/missions get the appropriate rewards without the need to search for exploits. After all we all want to get ahead in this game.
I'm reminded of a rowing competition I watched on tv a while back, where these l33t rowers were firing on all cylinders but the boat only moved about 20 foot. After 10 mins of frantic rowing and going nowhere, it turned out that someone had left the onboard motor on, the crew were rightly p'd off - sound familiar?
"...master! there's a guy in the south village called IZON, he is a Ninja!" |
Trianon Starstealer
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Posted - 2004.01.10 17:22:00 -
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Soemthign is messed up.... my alt character with a level 2 agent gets better rewards than me now.
I have not seen an implant since castor, my mission bonus for an 'important' mission is approx 40K isk..... used to be something juicy....
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.01.10 21:04:00 -
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Edited by: Hellek on 10/01/2004 21:07:55
I have done several hundreds of missions for agents in 4 different corps (amarr constructions, joint harvesting, viziam and kaalakiota). While it is pretty obvious that I won't get any from viziam or kaalakiota I also did not get a single implant from amarr constructions or joint harvesting. As I said I have done a HUGE amout of missions.
All my agents have a quality of 15+ (most of them have 18-20 even) and the effective quality is about 40 for most. So I really think that good quality = no implants, there must be something wrong.
PS: A corpmate did a mission for a lvl3 agent for his first time today and got an implant from the first mission, a second one from the 5th mission. His agent has a quality of -1
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Ezra
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Posted - 2004.01.10 21:38:00 -
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Edited by: Hellek on 10/01/2004 21:07:55
While it is pretty obvious that I won't get any from viziam or kaalakiota
Why not?
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Doppleganger
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Posted - 2004.01.10 23:01:00 -
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I think that the implant missions are purely random, I work for the Caldari Navy, so needless to say I love kill missions. I've noticed that as my standings increased the ratio between courier missions to kill missions slowly slid towards more and more courier missions... So here's the weird part, I just finish rejecting two courier missions, then whammo, my agent hit's me up with an implant mission!
explain that?!
Whoa!, that's precisely what happened to me! could that be the trigger?
Exact same thing happened here.... coincidence or not I just like the results 
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White Tiger
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Posted - 2004.01.11 07:56:00 -
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I think that the implant missions are purely random, I work for the Caldari Navy, so needless to say I love kill missions. I've noticed that as my standings increased the ratio between courier missions to kill missions slowly slid towards more and more courier missions... So here's the weird part, I just finish rejecting two courier missions, then whammo, my agent hit's me up with an implant mission!
explain that?!
Whoa!, that's precisely what happened to me! could that be the trigger?
Exact same thing happened here.... coincidence or not I just like the results
Same here...My rewards/bonuses were going downhill so I started refusing missions. Once my rating with Caldari Navy dropped below 8.5 I got hit with two Implant missions in a row and then another one 10 missions later...
White Tiger
Founding Member and CEO of Tactical Advisory Group
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.01.11 10:06:00 -
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Edited by: Hellek on 10/01/2004 21:07:55
While it is pretty obvious that I won't get any from viziam or kaalakiota
Why not?
As far as I know those corps with R&D don't give out implants.
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Xailia
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Posted - 2004.01.11 10:26:00 -
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I got an Int implant from Duvolle Laboratories.
"The sky above the port was the color of a television, tuned to a dead channel." |
Hellek
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Posted - 2004.01.12 08:15:00 -
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Has anybody of you got an implant from an agent in the Tash-Murkon region since castor?
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GALAGA
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Posted - 2004.01.12 11:06:00 -
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Yes Kaalakiota does give implants.
Got my first implant yesterday after months of missions and it was from my lvl 3 Kaalakiota. (Willpower)
Got my second implant today from Duvolle labs.
(Intelligence)
Hope they keep rolling in.
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"The Light shineth in the darkness, and the darkness comprehended it not." |
Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2004.01.12 12:02:00 -
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I've also noticed that the first few missions for a new agent seem to give better rewards than the ones you get later, although they eventually seem to gradually get better then fall in quality again. I'm also not seeing 'important' missions every 15-20 missions, more like 30-40 usually, but I guess that's another story.
Viziam gives out Willpower implants btw. AFAIK all corps give out implants of one sort or another eventually. Combat corps give out perception, research corps either willpower (if they build ships) or intelligence, 'leisure' corps charisma and 'business' corps (like banks etc) memory.
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.01.12 15:58:00 -
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Well, I have done a few hundreds of missions if I can also count the corps with R&D and did not get a single implant. Most agents have 38-40 effective quality. All of them are in the Tash-Murkon region.
So there are three possibilities:
1.) I don't get implants cause there is a bug with the quality
2.) I don't get implants cause there is a bug with the Tash-Murkon region
3.) I don't get implants cause I have bad luck
Anyway, it sucks for me :-(
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Jobe Calandri
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Posted - 2004.01.12 17:18:00 -
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refuse some missions hellex and you should hit paydirt
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EagleHawk RockClimber
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Posted - 2004.01.13 15:10:00 -
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Let me Reiterate and Update everyone on what has occured since I posted.
Social 5, Charisma 20, Negotiations 4 (5 nearly done), Connections 4, Missions=untold numbers (LOL)
Agent Faction 9.99
Corp Faction 9.88
@ nights ago I was not paying full attention and declined a mission accidentially. My Faction dropped imediately to 9.77 and my agent wanted to give me back her engagement ring (LOL).
Within 20 missions following my Faction LOSS, I received 2 Perception Implant Missions, One Electronic Engineering Skil Pack, some great loot off of (GASP) those elusive 65k NPC Rats I been missing for so long!
SO. I can say that it may be just the odds catching up with me OR there is something to some of the previous posts regarding declining missions and then getting great rewards.
Regards
EagleHawk
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.01.13 15:57:00 -
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I refused single missions from time to time (missions that sucked) and that did not help. I definately won't decline a larger sum of missions.
It would be great though if someone from CCP could do some research on that (if something is going wrong, what is going wrong) and tell us.
I really want to know why I don't get implants and so many others do.
Probably it would be nice if they would enable us to edit our own standings, level of skills like negotiation, etc. on chaos and make all missions insta-completeable (i.e. "give me 1 trit") so that we can test that stuff.
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Madsch20
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Posted - 2004.01.13 17:38:00 -
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I think it is fortuity and luck. Implants were dropped were rare. Thats all. I often get skills and tools or construction components. Also got 2 implants from 1 agent in about 200- 300 missions.
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Hellek
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Posted - 2004.01.14 16:23:00 -
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Edited by: Hellek on 14/01/2004 16:26:35
Yeah, maybe. Those things that depend completely on luck are always something were people create weird theories. Maybe you know the game of Diablo II, there also is a HUGE list of theories of how to get good items, all of them are crap.
I did a few missions for other agents and it was quite funny cause, although their quality was a lot lower the rewards were sometimes higher (one gave me 350k money as reward (120k + 230k bonus)while my good agents only give me 50-150k usually but probably it means nothing (just luck / bad luck)
Anyway, I am going to stick with my usual agents again.
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Beseb
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Posted - 2004.01.14 16:32:00 -
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Well, after 3 days of no important missions and waning rewards. I decided to try the "fail a few missions" strategy.
That was the right move, my rewards picked up, and I got 5 important missions last night after my 3 days drought.
Now, I just always decline the long hop (greater then 5) missions and everything is dandy.
Coincedence? Perhaps, but the empirical evidence is building...
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Ezra
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Posted - 2004.01.15 04:13:00 -
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Edited by: Hellek on 10/01/2004 21:07:55
While it is pretty obvious that I won't get any from viziam or kaalakiota
Why not?
As far as I know those corps with R&D don't give out implants.
Odd, I wonder where those three int implants came from then? :)
(Duvolle Labs)
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Ezra Cornell
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Kali omi
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Posted - 2004.01.15 12:04:00 -
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With standings around 5-7 i got good rewards - when i went on to better standing rewards went down ( crappy bps, shuttles ... ) then i declined 5 missions to go down with my standing very hard. After that i got 5 important missions, 2 implants and lots of tech 2 stuff. I tryed this for 2 of my agents in different corps and iam shure that as better ur standing as better ur rewards is broken.
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