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CCP kieron
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Posted - 2007.05.27 23:49:00 -
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Following up with the results of our investigations as they come available, we would like to present the following in regards to the allegations of rigged events.
This was investigated previously, the results of which were posted here. Nothing new has been presented that merits re-opening the investigation into the events following the actions taken against the player/volunteer who violated a Non-Disclosure Agreement in regards to the Cult of Tetrimon event arc.
Concerning the allegation of event rigging in particular, the document referenced in the 'Open Letter' is not a finalized script of events, but a proposal and living document based on player interaction with the event arc. The paragraph he refers to states:
ôAs said earlier, we can have the ending open if allowed by you or we can stack the cards in favor of Theology Council so that we after the arc go back to a T2 status quo for the Empire, but without any Tetrimon Cult (who will be forever branded traitors of the Empire and utterly wiped out).ö
In short, it simply gives CCP the option of deciding which direction to move EVEÆs Prime Fiction at the end of the arc or to allow unfolding events to determine what is to follow. The claims of CCP rigging events to benefit a player, corporation or alliance are groundless.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang Look Ma, I'm in a Dev thread! Oh wait... |
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ZeroForce
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Posted - 2007.05.27 23:53:00 -
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lots of things seem "groundless" to ccp
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Astarte Nosferatu
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:00:00 -
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Didn't you have a character in BoB as well?
Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
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DARKVALE
Caldari Black Lotus Heavy Industries Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:04:00 -
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Groundless indeed. I totally agree with CCP. Now thats out of the way, work on the Need for speed :-)
DARKVALE
*This is my personal view, not that of my corp or alliance.
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Tar Kovsky
Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:04:00 -
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I think there's a real disconnect here between what Graelyn said and the way that a lot of people interpret it. Graelyn's complaint was that the ending of a particular storyline seemed to be "set in stone" regardless of what players were doing that might affect it. Most (non-RP-obsessed) players hear that "events are rigged" and interpret this as an allegation that the event team funnels "teh phat lewt" to their friends. But Graelyn never said any such thing! In fact, either Graelyn or another member of Aegis Militia stated elsewhere that they were reasonably happy with the rewards they got for being involved, and that the main such reward was being involved at all.
C'mon, admit it. Most of y'all couldn't care less whether Tetrimon is running the Amarr Empire, or the Lord Chamberlain, or Aritcio Kor-Azor or the Theology Council. And those are the stakes we're talking about.
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ZeroForce
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: ZeroForce on 28/05/2007 00:07:14 this game is supposed to be "sandbox" meaning its an open ended game where the players can decide things....judging from this your breaking legal laws and admitting to it?
also the funny thing is how your finding all these things as "groundless" despite admitting YOURSELF that most staff are not present....so i have to wonder how your doing things so quickly...woops sorry did i just spot a flaw in your investigation?
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Mr M
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Tar Kovsky C'mon, admit it. Most of y'all couldn't care less whether Tetrimon is running the Amarr Empire, or the Lord Chamberlain, or Aritcio Kor-Azor or the Theology Council. And those are the stakes we're talking about.
I was actualy looking forward to see how the Tetrimon arc would end.
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moroti
Yakuza Corp THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu Didn't you have a character in BoB as well?
Didn't you used to be in Ubiqua Seraph? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
Remielle
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:24:00 -
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Kieron, you are the worst poster in CCP. And that's saying a lot.
Originally by: GM Arkanon ...we[CCP] neither censor nor do we try to silence our customers...
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Alty MacAlterson
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:32:00 -
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Be a man, post with your main!
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Santa Claw
Federation of Synthetic Persons YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:34:00 -
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And one accusation less. Good job from the IA Team getting all this done one a weekend, respect for that. |
Gurn
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:35:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron In short, it simply gives CCP the option of deciding which direction to move EVEÆs Prime Fiction at the end of the arc or to allow unfolding events to determine what is to follow. The claims of CCP rigging events to benefit a player, corporation or alliance are groundless.
So you do pick which alliance gets the rewards, but the results aren't rigged. Right
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Remielle
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:37:00 -
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Edited by: Remielle on 28/05/2007 00:39:09
Originally by: Alty MacAlterson Be a man, post with your main!
My main was banned for linking the open letter in the help channel when someone asked about it. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO.
Err, wait, nevermind. Forum banned for threadnaught. Ingame ban for linking the letter. Already petitioned, don't ask.
Originally by: GM Arkanon ...we[CCP] neither censor nor do we try to silence our customers...
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Overdone
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron
In short, it simply gives CCP the option of deciding which direction to move EVEÆs Prime Fiction at the end of the arc or to allow unfolding events to determine what is to follow. The claims of CCP rigging events to benefit a player, corporation or alliance are groundless.
This is interesting the first sentence disproves the second and vice versa.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari Lords Of Amber
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:39:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron
Concerning the allegation of event rigging in particular, the document referenced in the 'Open Letter' is not a finalized script of events, but a proposal and living document based on player interaction with the event arc. The paragraph he refers to states:
Good. Post the finalized script then, so no doubts can remain.
Thank you.
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Santa Claw
Federation of Synthetic Persons YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sentinel
Good. Post the finalized script then, so no doubts can remain.
Thank you. [/quote
So they have to wirte an other storyline because the current one is useless wehen everybody knows what is going to happen.
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CCP kieron
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Originally by: CCP kieron
Concerning the allegation of event rigging in particular, the document referenced in the 'Open Letter' is not a finalized script of events, but a proposal and living document based on player interaction with the event arc. The paragraph he refers to states:
Good. Post the finalized script then, so no doubts can remain.
Thank you.
A finalized document does not exist. The event arc was terminated when the player leaked it and the document was never approved or sent back for revision.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang Look Ma, I'm in a Dev thread! Oh wait... |
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An Anarchyyt
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:44:00 -
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Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 28/05/2007 00:43:50
Originally by: Overdone
Originally by: CCP kieron
In short, it simply gives CCP the option of deciding which direction to move EVEÆs Prime Fiction at the end of the arc or to allow unfolding events to determine what is to follow. The claims of CCP rigging events to benefit a player, corporation or alliance are groundless.
This is interesting the first sentence disproves the second and vice versa.
Yea, this is an interesting statement. It does pretty much say that they are "rigging."
However, they're not "rigging" it to help player groups or alliances, but they're "rigging" it so that the fiction can move how they want it to.
I don't really think that it's wrong, and it's not really rigging in a traditional sense. But I do think we should call a spade, a spade here.
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ZeroForce
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:44:00 -
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once again avoided the point there kieron stop hiding and face us you say there was no "rigging" involved yet you say that the ending is pre-determined make up your mind
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Stellar Vix
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:46:00 -
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You know CCP does have plans to get the factions into war and stuff like this only further delays it, sigh sad sad sad day.
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Evelgrivion
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:46:00 -
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Edited by: Evelgrivion on 28/05/2007 00:45:48
Originally by: Overdone
Originally by: CCP kieron
In short, it simply gives CCP the option of deciding which direction to move EVEÆs Prime Fiction at the end of the arc or to allow unfolding events to determine what is to follow. The claims of CCP rigging events to benefit a player, corporation or alliance are groundless.
This is interesting the first sentence disproves the second and vice versa.
Not in the slightest. They weren't rigging it in favor of any player group, they were setting it up for a foregone, NPC affecting conclusion that they were trying to involve the players in.
For the tin foil mad-hatters, that doesn't mean they wanted to set up certain players to benefit from it
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:51:00 -
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Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 28/05/2007 00:51:02
Originally by: Evelgrivion Edited by: Evelgrivion on 28/05/2007 00:45:48
Originally by: Overdone
Originally by: CCP kieron
In short, it simply gives CCP the option of deciding which direction to move EVEÆs Prime Fiction at the end of the arc or to allow unfolding events to determine what is to follow. The claims of CCP rigging events to benefit a player, corporation or alliance are groundless.
This is interesting the first sentence disproves the second and vice versa.
Not in the slightest. They weren't rigging it in favor of any player group, they were setting it up for a foregone, NPC affecting conclusion that they were trying to involve the players in.
For the tin foil mad-hatters, that doesn't mean they wanted to set up certain players to benefit from it
QTF
Edit: How else do you expect them to setup Factional Warfare while keeping you involved?
Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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Moving Along
ARM Logistical Support
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: ZeroForce once again avoided the point there kieron stop hiding and face us you say there was no "rigging" involved yet you say that the ending is pre-determined make up your mind
It's called a storyline.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari Lords Of Amber
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Originally by: CCP kieron
Concerning the allegation of event rigging in particular, the document referenced in the 'Open Letter' is not a finalized script of events, but a proposal and living document based on player interaction with the event arc. The paragraph he refers to states:
Good. Post the finalized script then, so no doubts can remain.
Thank you.
A finalized document does not exist. The event arc was terminated when the player leaked it and the document was never approved or sent back for revision.
Thank you.
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Moving Along
ARM Logistical Support
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:58:00 -
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Edited by: Moving Along on 28/05/2007 01:02:02
Originally by: ZeroForce Edited by: ZeroForce on 28/05/2007 00:07:14 this game is supposed to be "sandbox" meaning its an open ended game where the players can decide things....judging from this your breaking legal laws and admitting to it?
also the funny thing is how your finding all these things as "groundless" despite admitting YOURSELF that most staff are not present....so i have to wonder how your doing things so quickly...woops sorry did i just spot a flaw in your investigation?
Actually, you fail to realize that they have to keep the storyline intact. Your logic is flawed from every aspect. Your claims are completely groundless, to be honest. Get a life buddy, stop trying to incite a riot. kieron is respectable. You are not. He provided you with an answer and you don't like it. If you don't believe there is enough proof, as for more. If they can't provide more, ask why. If they tell you why and you still don't like it, then just give up. Quit Eve if your delusions are truly affecting you that much that you would threaten legal action.
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zacuis
Darkest Knights
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Posted - 2007.05.28 01:01:00 -
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i have to admit i could careless if they rig events in favour of any specific npc faction.
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ZeroForce
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Posted - 2007.05.28 01:01:00 -
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Edited by: ZeroForce on 28/05/2007 01:00:37
Originally by: Moving Along
Originally by: ZeroForce Edited by: ZeroForce on 28/05/2007 00:07:14 this game is supposed to be "sandbox" meaning its an open ended game where the players can decide things....judging from this your breaking legal laws and admitting to it?
also the funny thing is how your finding all these things as "groundless" despite admitting YOURSELF that most staff are not present....so i have to wonder how your doing things so quickly...woops sorry did i just spot a flaw in your investigation?
Actually, you fail to realize that they have to keep the storyline intact. Your logic is flawed from every aspect. Your claims are completely groundless to be honest. Get a life buddy, stop trying to incite a riot.
why dont you GTFO m8 and stop speaking utter BS cause thats all you can do...ok?
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Moving Along
ARM Logistical Support
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Posted - 2007.05.28 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: ZeroForce Edited by: ZeroForce on 28/05/2007 01:00:37
Originally by: Moving Along
Originally by: ZeroForce Edited by: ZeroForce on 28/05/2007 00:07:14 this game is supposed to be "sandbox" meaning its an open ended game where the players can decide things....judging from this your breaking legal laws and admitting to it?
also the funny thing is how your finding all these things as "groundless" despite admitting YOURSELF that most staff are not present....so i have to wonder how your doing things so quickly...woops sorry did i just spot a flaw in your investigation?
Actually, you fail to realize that they have to keep the storyline intact. Your logic is flawed from every aspect. Your claims are completely groundless to be honest. Get a life buddy, stop trying to incite a riot.
why dont you GTFO m8 and stop speaking utter BS cause thats all you can do...ok?
Can we go back to the other thread where it is proven that you were speaking BS? I believe I have backed up my claims or asked for more proof for yours. You fail at providing any legitimate information in all of your posts. You obviously exist to troll. I personally hope you are banned for your continued insults and blatantly false allegations.
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ZeroForce
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Posted - 2007.05.28 01:09:00 -
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i've given enough proff in the fact that the guilty party has practically claimed being guilty so stfu you pathetic child
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CaptainAttitude
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Posted - 2007.05.28 01:11:00 -
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This won't always be the only good spaceship game out there. As soon as a competitor shows up I'm cancelling my account. And I'll take as many people with me as I can.
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