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Seleene Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:05:00 - [31] Very well written, Hardin. - Vid - 'P-2 Defense'
Dezzereth Two Swords Guild	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:08:00 - [32] Excellent read. I also like the detailing of events that led to the siege, so outsiders can understand the situation better.
scififreak Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:17:00 - [33] Amarr victor! ...oh wait Excellent read again Hardin.
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:21:00 - [34] This was worth the time it took me to read! Awesome post Hardin! IMHO you achieved the "balance" you were looking for See what you can do with Paintbrush?
The Mute Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:23:00 - [35] A fair description of events. I believe the timeline is off in few places but most of the story is there. Good post Hardin. --------------------------------------------------
Schneiderr Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:23:00 - [36] very nice writeup! i loved the few days we were actually 'active' in providence alongside our friends in Ushra'khan and their allies. much respect to both parties
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:23:00 - [37] i forsee lots of pain. Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Elite	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:27:00 - [38] Glory to CVA and all who helped with the removal of U'K from providence, Grats to CVA for nearing your goals of a complete "NRDS" region. To the rest of you... These guys, both U'K and CVA have set a prime example of how to wage a war, whether RP or not, no spies, just one side against the other, both side having goals. I Deeply believe CVA had no intention of abusing POS mechanics, and i believe they did their best to avoid a POS spam war, oh well. Both sides suffered losses, gains, and then some more loss. And again, 'grats to CVA, Aegis Militia, PIE, Sylph, and all others who helped in this seige, form the sounds, it was a very even matched fight overall only sad i didnt decide to come help. Amarr Victor! - The mods shall not have my sig, if they do i'll kill CCP's hamsters. kill 'em! we have backup gerbils - Deckard kills any rodents of any kind for good measure ha!
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:27:00 - [39] Originally by: Butter Dog Hardin, damn you for posting all this now! I was F5'ing and now I'm late to meet a friend! The only thing I would wish to say, is I'd take the KB stats with a huge pinch of salt (our KB show a 72% efficiency against you) but you know what they say - lies, damn lies, and statistics. Indeed, i believe any entity involved in the siege (on either side) could likely produce kill statistics which are very simular, i believe hardin only included statistics to show the scale of the fight (especially considering those are the statistics for 1 system) Statistics can always be a cause of arguments so cannot hurt to get the point accross to everybody that they are only a representation and certainly not an accurate total. ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
Chaomos Skynard The Flaming Sideburn's Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:42:00 - [40] Brilliant write up, if only more people could put together such riveting reads. Also congratz, to win the day with such a huge force arrayed against you is some achievement. It also shows that stiking with your friends pays off (unlike U'K who over the last few months seem to have virtualy turned pirates themselves). Hope you build up your strength for more epic battles. Chaomos Hedonistic Diplo
MrRookie Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:45:00 - [41] I couldn't help picturing Haldin and lots of Amar slaphead types during this sequence http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rFx6OFooCs, really made me laugh This was really some great reading (as ussual ofc), and I wish it was even more of it. Good luck to UK Sig removed. Please email us at [email protected] if you would like to know why. -Conuion Meow May I have pink next time plz?
Queen Misery	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:47:00 - [42] Edited by: Queen Misery on 06/06/2007 18:47:11 doh, always the wrong character delete pls.
Demoser Caldari Cornerstone Unlimited The Foundation.	Posted - 2007.06.06 18:49:00 - [43] Quite the post, never mind how hard it is run all those POS, how long did it take to write that and how many re-writes did it take Congrats on the victory and the outpost CVA, sounds like it was great fun. Quote: Congrats. You showed those NPC'ers what PvP fitted nanowhoring ships can do!
Helen STK Scientific Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:03:00 - [44] Amarr Victor!
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:05:00 - [45] POS spamming...personally, I don't see it as a cheap tactic. Warfare isn't two hordes of knuckleheads meeting in midfield smacking each other over the head until one side is left standing. That path leads to blob warfare and unworkable lagfests. Warfare is about objectives. CVA had a clear objective, drive UK out of Providence. That goal didn't require smashing UK's military, it didn't require destroying all their hardware. Only an idiot thinks so two dimensionally. Like it or not, the gold ring of sovreignty goes to the side that best develops a system, be it by construction of your own outposts OR destruction of your enemy's outposts. For any group to complain about being outbuilt, might I suggest immediate medical attention for testosterone poisoning. UK showed that they had the muscle needed to handle anything CVA could throw at them head on, but they focused so much on that one aspect of strength, they left themselves wide open on other fronts. They got outflanked, they inflexibly decided what was the "proper" way to win a war, and when CVA pulled the rug out from under them, they ended up on their ass. If anything, I'm EXTREMELY pleased that CVA demonstrated how sovreign warfare is more than a battle of the blobs. Why burn yourself out rebuilding capital fleets when you can run their capital fleets around like a matador working the bullring giving them targets to beat their head against. From a cost standpoint, I'll put money on the table betting that bare bones death stars cost a helluva lot less than a fleet of replacement capital ships.
Vandervecken Smith Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:17:00 - [46] Nice writeup Hardin. As a former resident of Providence under ISS, I have been watching this war for a long time, and I am actually very disappointed in the CVA decision to POS spam. It was uncalled for, and I feel U'K bitterness over the result is well founded.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:19:00 - [47] Quote: If anything, I'm EXTREMELY pleased that CVA demonstrated how sovreign warfare is more than a battle of the blobs. Why burn yourself out rebuilding capital fleets when you can run their capital fleets around like a matador working the bullring giving them targets to beat their head against. From a cost standpoint, I'll put money on the table betting that bare bones death stars cost a helluva lot less than a fleet of replacement capital ships. a deathstar runs at the price of a dread Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:22:00 - [48] Originally by: Lilan Kahn Quote: If anything, I'm EXTREMELY pleased that CVA demonstrated how sovreign warfare is more than a battle of the blobs. Why burn yourself out rebuilding capital fleets when you can run their capital fleets around like a matador working the bullring giving them targets to beat their head against. From a cost standpoint, I'll put money on the table betting that bare bones death stars cost a helluva lot less than a fleet of replacement capital ships. a deathstar runs at the price of a dread With or without fittings (and I'm asking not facetiously)?
Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:23:00 - [49] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 06/06/2007 19:25:04 Good write up, there are some timeline errors and a few minor adjustments I would make but its actually pretty accurate. Amarr Victor After enduring my second 1month+ pos siege I can honestly say morale is actually higher now than it was just prior to it. I'm not trying to say "we didnt want that outpost anyway" because quite clearly we did want it. What I'm saying is the whole eve map is open to us and is full of possibilities we hadent even considered before. Ushra'khan will visit often, you can count on that. But I for one hope that providence isnt our primary focus. At least not for a little while. We have a decent (ish) capital fleet, with many pilots than ships, room to expand there. We excell in skirmish warfare, and perform well enough in larger fleets. We have a nice group of new allies who share similar interests and capabilities We are no longer tied to a region. This is going to be fun. Many thanks to everyone that came to our assistance. I'm not going to the london meet this weekend, but if I ever meet any of you in real life you can count on me buying you a beer Now Recruiting
Niding Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:30:00 - [50] Ushra'Khan and friends has given me countless of sleepless nights. We have been fighting tooth and nails, and Ive been both enjoying it and loathing it (falling asleep at work after a night of fighting). Stand up guys at both sides of the conflict.
Tar Kovsky Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:37:00 - [51] A well-written and extremely fair piece; nicely done!
Derrios Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:38:00 - [52] Dirty RP'ers! (Great Read, very well done.) ----------------------------------------------- I got something to put in you. at the *** bar.
Tar Kovsky Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:51:00 - [53] Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Lilan Kahn a deathstar runs at the price of a dread With or without fittings (and I'm asking not facetiously)? A deathstar with fittings costs about as much as a dread without them. But there's no insurance payout when the deathstar pops, and a few weeks of deathstar fuel will pay for your dread's fittings as well...
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:57:00 - [54] Really nice read. -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.06 19:59:00 - [55] Originally by: Tar Kovsky Originally by: Janu Hull Originally by: Lilan Kahn a deathstar runs at the price of a dread With or without fittings (and I'm asking not facetiously)? A deathstar with fittings costs about as much as a dread without them. But there's no insurance payout when the deathstar pops, and a few weeks of deathstar fuel will pay for your dread's fittings as well... Thank you for that.
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Ev0ke	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:00:00 - [56] awsome writeup, a few facts i didnt know have been cleared. Also i want to add that it has been a pleasure of fighting along the brave mimatar and fighting against such enemie who are willing to fight. <3 all involved
Ventosus x13 Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:09:00 - [57] good story \o/ ............... I will win Eve
Gegi Wau Minmatar Liberty Labs	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:33:00 - [58] Edited by: Gegi Wau on 06/06/2007 20:32:10 Originally by: Janu Hull POS spamming...personally, I don't see it as a cheap tactic. Warfare isn't two hordes of knuckleheads meeting in midfield smacking each other over the head until one side is left standing. That path leads to blob warfare and unworkable lagfests. Warfare is about objectives. CVA had a clear objective, drive UK out of Providence. That goal didn't require smashing UK's military, it didn't require destroying all their hardware. Only an idiot thinks so two dimensionally. Like it or not, the gold ring of sovreignty goes to the side that best develops a system, be it by construction of your own outposts OR destruction of your enemy's outposts. For any group to complain about being outbuilt, might I suggest immediate medical attention for testosterone poisoning. UK showed that they had the muscle needed to handle anything CVA could throw at them head on, but they focused so much on that one aspect of strength, they left themselves wide open on other fronts. They got outflanked, they inflexibly decided what was the "proper" way to win a war, and when CVA pulled the rug out from under them, they ended up on their ass. If anything, I'm EXTREMELY pleased that CVA demonstrated how sovreign warfare is more than a battle of the blobs. Why burn yourself out rebuilding capital fleets when you can run their capital fleets around like a matador working the bullring giving them targets to beat their head against. From a cost standpoint, I'll put money on the table betting that bare bones death stars cost a helluva lot less than a fleet of replacement capital ships. So, you are saying that fleet fights and skirmishes are a thing of the past and POS spamming is the way to go? Oh my. While this might be fun for the logistics freaks amongst us, I bet the majority of pilots out there would rather revel in a bit of battlefield mayhem than haul POS fuel around. POS spamming is a pretty lame strategy, but one that works, unfortunately. U'K simply didn't have the resources necessary to cover the myriad of moons in that system with POSes of their own. You seem to think that POS warfare and blobs are mutually exclusive, which makes me wonder how much you really know about the realities of sovereignty struggles. What do you do when your enemy puts up a bunch of POSes in your system? You try to take them out. So then both sides bring their carriers, dreadnoughts etc. and there you have it... giant blob fest. Pretty much everyone who's ever been involved in POS warfare agrees that it sucks. Big time. It's a tedious business, and I hope the changes coming with Rev2 will make it a bit more interesting. Oh, and by the way, great battle report, Hardin. AMARRES EUNT DOMUS
Mortim Minmatar Madison Industrial Co. Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:34:00 - [59] Great report. Thanks to all those involved on behalf of the Sylph alliance. These have been my most entertaining days yet. Well fought all round. Mort
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:41:00 - [60] No, and if I left that impression, I apologize. My point was that POS warfare is an equally valid means of accomplishing the goal of establishing sovreignty. Its an option that's available, and one that shouldn't be metagamed to the sidelines because of some pedantic Marquis of Queensbury notion about what constitutes "fair" play. War isn't supposed to be fair. UK as much as showed that when they did an end run on CVA and popped their capital array. Why take out the weakened POS structure when the CVA fleet was protecting the other better prepared tower? Same logic, only a fool hits an opponent where he's best capable of soaking damage from the blow. In 9UY, CVA admitted they came up short against UK's potential combat forces, so they hit them in their soft spot. Just because it was "spamming" towers in a sovreignty race doesn't invalidate the outcome. No more than "spamming" seige weapons at already built towers would invalidate racing for sovreignty by reducing an enemy presence in the system.

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