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Eddie Gordo Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:46:00 - [61] Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 06/06/2007 20:45:53 Originally by: Janu Hull War isn't supposed to be fair. UK as much as showed that when they did an end run on CVA and popped their capital array. Why take out the weakened POS structure when the CVA fleet was protecting the other better prepared tower? Because it was a capital shipyard and could potentially have held a mothership, or even a titan in it. It was our primary objective, the secondary was to take sov. I think this has been made clear a number of times from our side. Now Recruiting
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.06 20:51:00 - [62] Originally by: Eddie Gordo Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 06/06/2007 20:45:53 Originally by: Janu Hull War isn't supposed to be fair. UK as much as showed that when they did an end run on CVA and popped their capital array. Why take out the weakened POS structure when the CVA fleet was protecting the other better prepared tower? Because it was a capital shipyard and could potentially have held a mothership, or even a titan in it. It was our primary objective, the secondary was to take sov. I think this has been made clear a number of times from our side. Note: I'm not criticizing Ushra'Khan for that move. It was a smart move and you should be proud of it. It was ruthless and effective. Maximum damage, minimum casualties. At the same time, CVA's POS campaign was the same way. Minimal losses, maximum return.
Bruno Bonner Gallente Lutin Group	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:01:00 - [63] Congratz to The Amarr loyalists, they have earned the right to oversee Providence. ------ aka BinderAJ
Freemos Portos	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:06:00 - [64] Edited by: Freemos Portos on 06/06/2007 21:06:53 Congrats CVA - great write up Hardin.
Dantalus Portos Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:07:00 - [65] Great respect to U'K. Eddie's post also filled me with great relief. I agree 100% that, ironically, losing Unity may make the U'K even stronger. For a long time now it has been accepted that you excel in skirmish (hit and run) type warfare. This fits well with your terrorist/'scourge of Amarr' position in EVE. Being free to fight where you want and when you want will play to all your strengths. I truly hope (OOC) you come back bigger and better, and anytime you want a good scrap, the Vigilia Valeria Alliance (-VV-) will be waiting for you. High sec, low sec or whatever. Amarr Victor! (and all Hail to the mighty Ushra'Khan)
Abye Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:11:00 - [66] Very nice read, thumbs up ___ Inappropriate signature. Please do not use this signature. Email us for more information -Eldo ([email protected])
kincajou niten Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:11:00 - [67] Originally by: Eddie Gordo Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 06/06/2007 19:25:04 Good write up, there are some timeline errors and a few minor adjustments I would make but its actually pretty accurate. Amarr Victor After enduring my second 1month+ pos siege I can honestly say morale is actually higher now than it was just prior to it. I'm not trying to say "we didnt want that outpost anyway" because quite clearly we did want it. What I'm saying is the whole eve map is open to us and is full of possibilities we hadent even considered before. Ushra'khan will visit often, you can count on that. But I for one hope that providence isnt our primary focus. At least not for a little while. We have a decent (ish) capital fleet, with many pilots than ships, room to expand there. We excell in skirmish warfare, and perform well enough in larger fleets. We have a nice group of new allies who share similar interests and capabilities We are no longer tied to a region. This is going to be fun. Many thanks to everyone that came to our assistance. I'm not going to the london meet this weekend, but if I ever meet any of you in real life you can count on me buying you a beer Personally I'm very glad to see such emotions in U'K after a bit (ok maybe not a bit) of mixed hard feeling posts from both sides. One half of me is cheering for you and a little jealous of the perspectives that are now open to you, other half is saying "Amarr Victor!". :-)
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:14:00 - [68] Originally by: Janu Hull Edited by: Janu Hull on 06/06/2007 20:58:21 Originally by: Eddie Gordo Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 06/06/2007 20:45:53 Originally by: Janu Hull War isn't supposed to be fair. UK as much as showed that when they did an end run on CVA and popped their capital array. Why take out the weakened POS structure when the CVA fleet was protecting the other better prepared tower? Because it was a capital shipyard and could potentially have held a mothership, or even a titan in it. It was our primary objective, the secondary was to take sov. I think this has been made clear a number of times from our side. Note: I'm not criticizing Ushra'Khan for that move. It was a smart move and you should be proud of it. It was ruthless and effective. Maximum damage, minimum casualties. At the same time, CVA's POS campaign was the same way. Minimal losses, maximum return. At neither engagement was there any obligation for the two forces to meet in the middle and take turns clubbing each other over the head. You weren't obligated to give CVA a chance to disrupt your fleet at the shipyard, and they weren't obligated to give you a clean shot at stopping them from pushing you out of 9UY. They are both equally valid moves. This is not a critique of the forces involved in this war or the decisions they made. I am only responding to the notion of POS warfare as "lame". Lame is cutting off your options because of preconceived notions of "acceptable" behavior. If we went that route, you could make the same arguement about any number of otherwise legitimate actions in conflicts that don't involve fleets bashing into each other. No one in there right mind whants to pos spam on 70 moons only done once before in eve history that i can recall Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:31:00 - [69] Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: Janu Hull Edited by: Janu Hull on 06/06/2007 20:58:21 Originally by: Eddie Gordo Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 06/06/2007 20:45:53 Originally by: Janu Hull War isn't supposed to be fair. UK as much as showed that when they did an end run on CVA and popped their capital array. Why take out the weakened POS structure when the CVA fleet was protecting the other better prepared tower? Because it was a capital shipyard and could potentially have held a mothership, or even a titan in it. It was our primary objective, the secondary was to take sov. I think this has been made clear a number of times from our side. Note: I'm not criticizing Ushra'Khan for that move. It was a smart move and you should be proud of it. It was ruthless and effective. Maximum damage, minimum casualties. At the same time, CVA's POS campaign was the same way. Minimal losses, maximum return. At neither engagement was there any obligation for the two forces to meet in the middle and take turns clubbing each other over the head. You weren't obligated to give CVA a chance to disrupt your fleet at the shipyard, and they weren't obligated to give you a clean shot at stopping them from pushing you out of 9UY. They are both equally valid moves. This is not a critique of the forces involved in this war or the decisions they made. I am only responding to the notion of POS warfare as "lame". Lame is cutting off your options because of preconceived notions of "acceptable" behavior. If we went that route, you could make the same arguement about any number of otherwise legitimate actions in conflicts that don't involve fleets bashing into each other. No one in there right mind whants to pos spam on 70 moons only done once before in eve history that i can recall I'm pretty sure there are leaders in CVA feeling a massive pinch on their asscheek where their corp and alliance wallets used to be too. You're right, it was a crazy move, but damned if it didn't work. No one in their right minds wants to face a blob that you're almost certain not to beat, either, so what's left? For better or worse, they stepped out of their right minds and got the job done.
Seliah Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:31:00 - [70] Very nice read ! Thanks.
patteSatan Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:48:00 - [71] Very nice writeup, Hardin. Here's a toast to CVA from a former IAC member: SK+L TAMMEFAN! Translated: cheers, ffs Take care CVA, always liked you guys, even if your settings might differ.. (note. I never killed a CVA ever, you have killed me though) ...you women are creepy, but amusing as hell.
patteSatan Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:49:00 - [72] I forgot: Hardin for emporor!!!!!!!!! ...you women are creepy, but amusing as hell.
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:51:00 - [73] Originally by: kincajou niten Originally by: Eddie Gordo Edited by: Eddie Gordo on 06/06/2007 19:25:04 Good write up, there are some timeline errors and a few minor adjustments I would make but its actually pretty accurate. Amarr Victor After enduring my second 1month+ pos siege I can honestly say morale is actually higher now than it was just prior to it. I'm not trying to say "we didnt want that outpost anyway" because quite clearly we did want it. What I'm saying is the whole eve map is open to us and is full of possibilities we hadent even considered before. Ushra'khan will visit often, you can count on that. But I for one hope that providence isnt our primary focus. At least not for a little while. We have a decent (ish) capital fleet, with many pilots than ships, room to expand there. We excell in skirmish warfare, and perform well enough in larger fleets. We have a nice group of new allies who share similar interests and capabilities We are no longer tied to a region. This is going to be fun. Many thanks to everyone that came to our assistance. I'm not going to the london meet this weekend, but if I ever meet any of you in real life you can count on me buying you a beer Personally I'm very glad to see such emotions in U'K after a bit (ok maybe not a bit) of mixed hard feeling posts from both sides. One half of me is cheering for you and a little jealous of the perspectives that are now open to you, other half is saying "Amarr Victor!". :-) I echo Kincajou's sentiments Eddie. Thanks all for comments. It did take a long time to write, and many many edits after input from people on both CVA and Friends of Amarr forums. There are still craploads of typos but by the end I didn't care about those anymore. I did have some 'explanation' on ButterDog's battle stats peice but decided not to bother as didn't want to spoil the mood. He can convo me if he is interested Again apologies for length but felt that I needed to put the siege into some kind of context. Also apologies to those enemies and 'stories' that I may have skipped over lightly in the 'history' section. Our three wars with TSBS and invasions of the likes of SAS/TC/NSN, x13 et al were all interesting in their own way but would have distracted from the main reason for this thread ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607 AMARR VICTOR
AonChilo Madison Industrial Co. Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 21:53:00 - [74] Nice report write-up. I actually took a little extra time off from RL to game more in Eve because of all the events in past month. Its been fun.
Fear Not 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.06.06 22:05:00 - [75] It's been fun. Congratulations CVA on your new outpost. Now I just hope I don't see another POS for a year! See you in space.
Gabriel Death Caldari Pog Mo Thoin SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2007.06.06 22:07:00 - [76] CONGRATULATIONS CVA!!!!!!!! I have never really been friends with CVA at the start since i moved down to Providence, I sided with Minmatar cause i lived in minmatar space and hated slavers, I myself being Irish and have been enslaved by the english nation in Real Life, know why the minmatars fight slavery but i took no part in that war against minmatar oppression, but i am very ANTI-PIRATE! So at the start i fought CVA, where and where, and tbh now, i even infiltrated cva space and found 20-25 pos's belonging to them and wrote down what they had and was keeping the results to myself, only i know of these locations and will not say them here. Sorry CVA for spying in your turf but you were my foes back then but now, they are my best friends and i will take those pos locations to the grave. Uk have turned pirate and that is the main reason why i am siding with CVA, ive helped uk in the past and have recieved no thanks but cva have thanked me once or twice and even have sayd GF to me when we were foes, amandie consemie for one from cva i have fought, i killed her once or twice, she even thanked me in local once, dont denie it girl But Now i am facing the facts and see the truth in even better light thanks to CVA, where uk have clouded my eyes. I like RP-ing but Uk have lost my conviction for it in EVE. Ill RP in the Future and even some Day, join the ranks of the CVA Armie and fight off the Minmatar Terrorists. Signed by a once-faithful uk friend ------------------------------------------------------- Gabriel Death of POG MO THOIN!
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.06 22:08:00 - [77] was a great campaign to have been a part of. as always CVA ops are great fun to join. good luck to the UK with whatever you decide to do next. hopefully you will regroup nicely so we can get back to shooting each other. i'll be the guy in the arbi sitting on your supplyroute :) Amarr Victor!
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.06.06 22:24:00 - [78] Edited by: Butter Dog on 06/06/2007 22:24:45 Originally by: Mortim Great report. Thanks to all those involved on behalf of the Sylph alliance. These have been my most entertaining days yet. Well fought all round. Mort Hello, Mortim. We havent finished playing with you yet See you soon ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Gabriel Death Caldari Pog Mo Thoin SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE	Posted - 2007.06.06 22:27:00 - [79] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 06/06/2007 22:24:45 Originally by: Mortim Great report. Thanks to all those involved on behalf of the Sylph alliance. These have been my most entertaining days yet. Well fought all round. Mort Hello, Mortim. We havent finished playing with you yet See you soon LOL I remember you from a certain video clip
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.06.06 22:30:00 - [80] Originally by: Gabriel Death LOL I remember you from a certain video clip You really should keep away from Japanese 'entertainment' ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])
Jaydom Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.06 22:47:00 - [81] I have been fighting the various incarnations of Ushra Khan for over 3 years, and I have to say I almost envy your loss. The freedom you now have is simply amazing. Being tied down, having to fight defensively(for the most part) is tiring, but a job worth doing in our minds. You'll be able to get out there and have fun. Although I did not participate in this siege I do belive after all is said and done you will have your freedom and you guys will kick some ass and take some names :) G'luck,
Onnen Mentar Murientor Tribe Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.06 22:48:00 - [82] A fine battle report. Personally I'm very glad to have been part of this long campaign. Having to admit defeat is never fun and, as has been mentioned before, with so much at stake it is only natural that emotions are running a bit higher than usual. All in all it was good experience and good fun. I'm proud that our "bunch of terrorists" managed to bring the fight right to the doorstep of the Amarr empire. We held out for a long time too while being outgunned (and "out-industrialized", if that is a word) most of the time. Now after all this POS warfare, freedom has such a sweet sound to it again. Congratulations on a battle won! The fight to end slavery is far from over it seems...
Tar Kovsky Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.06 23:19:00 - [83] Edited by: Tar Kovsky on 06/06/2007 23:18:10 Originally by: Gabriel Death Uk have turned pirate and that is the main reason why i am siding with CVA Until now (and at least for the near future), the U'K has always followed a basically NRDS policy. However, we'll happily set you red if you'd like to describe yourselves as a "friend of CVA".
EveJoker Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.06 23:24:00 - [84] Very professional write up. Well done and GG to cva. One minor point is that despite the bos/slammers/sylph being anti pirate and active and supporting us in some anti pirate operations, they had acually napped cva and iac prior to CVA starting on 9uy (to the best of my knowledge). I think in many regards this lead to us looking for someone who would participate in this battle, and quite clearly we needed to focus our game on the attack rather than keeping the pipes clear of pirates. Now its over ofc theres a few depts to repay to our prior allies , thanks to both IAC and CVA for teaching us the effectiveness of a cloaked force in a system 24hrs/7days. Still in the overall scheme of things CVA have to be commended for having thought of just about everything, and having the determination to pull this through.
Agrikaan Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.06.06 23:46:00 - [85] Edited by: Agrikaan on 06/06/2007 23:46:01 Edited by: Agrikaan on 06/06/2007 23:45:45 I'm honoured and proud to have been a part of this campaign. It was as fun as boring at times. That's war in EVE, and as it should be. The huge "unknown" factor is what makes PvP great, it adds adrenalin even when it's calm. Good read, and thanks to CVA and all allies for good teamwork. Only once or twice did the emotions rise internally, often after very long operations. The Fleet Commanders served very well, calmly and with clear objectives in mind. Not afraid to get into a fight, and not to proud to refuse to leave one... :) Thanks also to U'K ofc, good chaps. Now that you are indeed more "free" (and as you seem to enjoy that illusion), I look forward to see you more on the Battlefield of Skirmishes, wherever that may be, rather than inside a POS. Maybe we can now find more than docked haulers in Rens on our patrols! That we pray for. And thus, in a sense, are all U'K pilots in our prayers as well. :) Now recruting!
Shiva Shakti Gallente Hi-Tech Industries	Posted - 2007.06.06 23:54:00 - [86] Award for best campaign report of 2007 goes too...Hardin, the new Amarrian Emperor ;) Enjoyed the read very muchly ty and admired the stories of resiliance in the face of teams such as Outbreak and UK The freedom fighters will be back though i'm sure Ty Hardin for the huge amount of time to write this piece, its reinstated my interest in COAD forum Visit the EvE Galactic Stock Exchange in game or out
Karn Mithralia Minmatar Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.07 00:17:00 - [87] Edited by: Karn Mithralia on 07/06/2007 00:21:36 Well played CVA. I must admit I skim read much of that Hardin, but I did pick up on a couple of points in need of some comment. Your killboard stats require more than a pinch of salt to be representative of anything, perhaps a whole bucket would help. We have had several campaigns running for this entire conflict and none are running below 60%. For example taking Providence as a whole (lets not forget the battle over the Cap Ship Yard) since the first CVA POS went up in 9UY: Totals:Kills 1305 51655.18M Losses: 687 23845.1M Efficiency: 68.42% (Pods, freighters, haulers etc removed for the below breakdown) Ship Type: Kill Loss Assault frigate 4843 Battlecruiser13041 Battleship141103 Carrier30 Command ship73 Covert ops1416 Cruiser10479 Destroyer1615 Dreadnought41 Frigate13580 Heavy assault2511 Industrial3471 Interdictor2517 Logistics51 Recon ship2614 You can easily see from our POV despite losing Unity we don't feel as if we lost out on the killboard. This has been a period of marked K/D ratio improvement for U'K. I do wonder what the point of posting kill board stats is tbh, if 55 death stars doesn't sum up the scale of this conflict then I don't know what does. Hmm maybe the cap ship kill ratios? Us 7 : You 1 The other point I'd like to challenge is you stating we are now forced out of Providence. I would imagine you mean we have lost Unity and don't look to be going to regain sov in 9UY. However NKB alone still have several healthy death stars both in 9UY and other key positions, and if I read incoming reports correctly another alliance death star in 9UY was saved tonight. Until you wipe out our death stars I don't think you can claim you have driven us out. The area is far from secure. ----------------------------------------- Now recruiting.
LordAmarus Minmatar Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.06.07 00:59:00 - [88] Nice read and pretty balanced I'd say exept some things I really don't get. 1) what is the benefit of claiming 9uy? I'm sure I don't have to remind anyone that 9uy has 5-6 gates ... meaning that attackers can come and go from 2-3 directions and immediatly strike and move along 2) Do you really plan to spread out cva over r3 - 9uy - whatever pipe? One of CVA's most feared and best defensive weapons is their ability to swiftly form a gang capable of sweeping away the nme (blobbing but sounds so nasty) 3) 9uy as you have said has 55 moones. To make sure the system remains your you need to have over half of the moons possed up.... This is an enormous logistic effort All in all i'm really curious and interested how CVA will protect this newly aquired asset. looking forward to fighting cva gangs more ;) btw if you wanna rap , pls do it properly ... that munnin killmail form today was a real suprise :p Have No Fear , I Is Here
O'Ran BloodStorm Elite Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.06.07 01:09:00 - [89] wow, great read! Many grats to CVA for the victory. Ive pretty much grown up in Providence (ex-NOS memember, moved away from provi now) and the politics down there are so interesting. The conflict between CVA and UK has been going on my whole eve life. Its weird seeing it come to an end, espically after all those alerts in CVA/NOS space. Good show by both sides :) I hope UK still continue to fight for what they believe in! ----- My views do not represent the views of my Corporation or Alliance.
Ackaroth Gallente Plundering Penguins	Posted - 2007.06.07 01:13:00 - [90] Amazing write-up. Hardin, as always, you have a way with words. Your signature is inappropriate for our forums. Please send a link to it to [email protected] if you have any questions - Timmeh

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