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Raane Thyandar
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.07 01:14:00 -
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Why do everyone's killboards add up to make them look like the winner?
Because it's a event people want to remember when they make a kill and it's an event people would rather and sometimes accidentally do forget when they get killed (also there's the whole thing about cross-killboard coordination when multiple alliances are involved).
At the end of the day, no-one really cares about efficiency or killboards for anything more than depicting the size of the conflict.
It's not a dig, i'm just lazy and dislike killboards. [/rant]
Also, good show CVA, good show and good spirit UK. Wish i could have thrown more fuel on the fires of war but i've been inactive recently.
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Karn Mithralia
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.06.07 01:24:00 -
[92]
 Originally by: Raane Thyandar
Why do everyone's killboards add up to make them look like the winner?
Because it's a event people want to remember when they make a kill and it's an event people would rather and sometimes accidentally do forget when they get killed (also there's the whole thing about cross-killboard coordination when multiple alliances are involved).
At the end of the day, no-one really cares about efficiency or killboards for anything more than depicting the size of the conflict.
It's not a dig, i'm just lazy and dislike killboards. [/rant]
That was my point Raane. However given Hardin posted stats I felt I couldn't leave it without balancing it with some of U'K's own.
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Gabriel Death
Caldari
Pog Mo Thoin
SYSTEM SHOCK INITIATIVE
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Posted - 2007.06.07 01:24:00 -
[93]
true, that is all that matters the event, killboards do not matter.
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Sacul
Wreckless Abandon
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.07 01:30:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Sacul on 07/06/2007 01:31:04
damn so much has happened since i have last been there.....allways enjoyed fighting CVA.
grats on the station capture.
Any Huzzah left? i so loved fighting them and Hans was ace.
edit:
ermm offcource hans was a back stabbing bastard opening that cyno for enemies in h74 after a eve meet in london :)
~i cant be a revisionist in history now can i :)
The stone age didn't end because we ran out of stones!
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.06.07 01:57:00 -
[95]
Amarr victor!
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Royaldo
Gallente
KVA Noble Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.07 01:58:00 -
[96]
the jade is strong in hardin 
gg cva
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Sqalevon
Masuat'aa Matari
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Posted - 2007.06.07 02:04:00 -
[97]
The problem with killmails is.
Killmails get shared across mixed gangs, deathmails dont.
Lets imagine 2 fleets of 10 ships engaging each other.
Both fleets are a mix of 4 different alliances with their own killboards.
Both fleets loose 4 ships evenly spread over the 4 different alliances.
Now what you will see is, every alliance will have the killmails of all their hostiles but only their own deathmail.
This will result in 4:1 kill ratios while they are actually at 1:1
I believe this to be the core of the problem.
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.06.07 02:35:00 -
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You are correct Sqalevon.
So each side can field impressive numbers, but it takes a more wholistic look to see the real end result.
That's ok, I hope all had fun.
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Katz
Minmatar
Sanctuary
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Posted - 2007.06.07 03:13:00 -
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I may not agree with what the CVA represents to my brethren, but I must congratulate you on a fantastic read Hardin all the same!
Both sides of the conflict should be proud of what they have done. A legendary battle was fought and both sides won by adding so much more depth to the RP community and the views they fight for. I for one anxiously wait to see how the story unfolds further.
Katz
Sanctuary is recruiting
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Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.07 04:12:00 -
[100]
Edited by: Hardin on 07/06/2007 04:21:57
Originally by: Karn Mithralia
I do wonder what the point of posting kill board stats is tbh, if 55 death stars doesn't sum up the scale of this conflict then I don't know what does.
I agree with you to some extent and there was some debate about including figures however I felt that they demonstrated to the 'wider' community that this was not just about POS wars but that a LOT of pew pew went on as well - and I did make it clear that the figures were simply what was on the CVA killboard and should be taken with a pinch of salt.
A pure comparison with your figures is impossible as mine are just from 9UY and as I stated did not include the XR fight. However, I think the fact that you report 687 losses across Providence when I reported at least 1,196 'enemy' deaths (just to CVA in 9UY) and similarly you report 1,305 total kills in Providence when our (CVA) losses appear to be only 448 is a good indication of how much salt needs to be thrown by both sides Unless we merge killboards the true 'result' will never be known.
As I said above the point wasn't really to measure anyones epeen (or prove how uber CVA was) but simply to demonstrate that a crap load more went into this than just 'pos spamming'. I will, however, correct you on the capitals jibe, it was 7 vs 2 not 7 vs 1 and I will be happy to tell you which two ingame if you want further detail but no need to name names here
Originally by: Karn Mithralia
The other point I'd like to challenge is you stating we are now forced out of Providence. I would imagine you mean we have lost Unity and don't look to be going to regain sov in 9UY. However NKB alone still have several healthy death stars both in 9UY and other key positions, and if I read incoming reports correctly another alliance death star in 9UY was saved tonight.
Until you wipe out our death stars I don't think you can claim you have driven us out. The area is far from secure.
That is very true and I admire the fighting sentiment. It makes refreshing reading after seeing some of the UK doom and gloom in other quarters  It is a message I will be sure to post on our internal forums to remind people that this is not all over yet
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Adam Weishaupt
Minmatar
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.07 04:59:00 -
[101]
Best writeup I've ever seen on these forums.
Congratulations on the capture of 9UY.
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Isabel Sweet
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.07 05:27:00 -
[102]
Amarr Victor!
death to terrorist and the duct tape!
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Indiria Fuentes
Terra Rosa Militia
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Posted - 2007.06.07 05:38:00 -
[103]
Thanks Hardin for this excellent writeup!
That¦s the stuff that makes CAOD worth to be read;)
regards
Indiria
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kirianne Kolaxy
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.07 05:43:00 -
[104]
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shuckstar
Gallente
Order of New Blood
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Posted - 2007.06.07 05:47:00 -
[105]
Very nice write up, Gratz on taking 9UY Station
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Karn Mithralia
Minmatar
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.06.07 06:16:00 -
[106]
Yep fair enough. The various results certainly show how much fighting was had.
Originally by: Hardin
I will, however, correct you on the capitals jibe, it was 7 vs 2 not 7 vs 1 and I will be happy to tell you which two ingame if you want further detail but no need to name names here
I've evemailed you, if I've made a mistake it wasn't purposeful. :)
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Eddie Gordo
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.06.07 07:14:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Raane Thyandar
Why do everyone's killboards add up to make them look like the winner?
Easy. Because unless you have a central killboard for all allies and enemies you will only ever show your own losses, but allways all the allied kills. Karn was just showing our side.
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General Apocalypse
Amarr
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.06.07 07:23:00 -
[108]
Nice posts it's good to see stuff like this on CAOD.
Amarr Invictus  And Hadrin for Emperor 
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.07 07:28:00 -
[109]
Impressive as always CVA, and excellent report Hardin.
IAC's only real contribution to the amarr war effort was after CVA's capital shipyards were destroyed, had hoped we'd get to kill some dreads but U'K didn't commit them against any of the deathstars so all we got to do was shoot the large tower they erected and failed to online ;\
I'd say CVA and 0utbreak were real winners in this war, the sniper fleet 0utbreak can field is immense and they turned the tide of (nearly?) all the fights they showed up for..
Looks like the Empire might be adding another region soon.. 
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Amith Silvermoon
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.07 07:31:00 -
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Great write up Hardin was a pleasure to read.
On behalf of all of bum i can safely say good fight CVA and Co. You have proven to be worthly foe's and we are looking forward to have more fun with you in the near future.
To our allie's who came to UK aid(EHN Outbreak Evoke etc)was a pleasure fighting along side each of you.
To UK it was a agreement that Bum would not be dragged into a POS fight for anyone apart for you guy's. We only wish we could have done more and maybe even save Unity but it was not to be.
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Terror Rising
Death Of Fallen Angels
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Posted - 2007.06.07 08:07:00 -
[111]
Nice Write-Up. But be aware, Unity will be back in the hands of our brothers and sisters who oppose the tyrany of the Empire before this year is up.
Down with the Empire!
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.07 08:15:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Amith Silvermoon
To UK it was a agreement that Bum would not be dragged into a POS fight for anyone apart for you guy's. We only wish we could have done more and maybe even save Unity but it was not to be.
This is very true. When we left ISS a lot of us stated quite simply 'no POS war again, ever' since it was all we had known for months.
But we did make an internal agreement that the only people we would get involved in a POS war for, commit capitals etc, was UK.
I like to think the result, in the end, was pretty good. CVA suffered enough losses and spent enough ISK on deathstars, that they have paid a high enough price for taking the outpost (probably more than building a new one, which I know isnt the point but its a good indicator).
The defence, from that perspective, was pretty successful, though I always knew CVA would take it eventually (and I said as much on here after the first weekend). They lived in Providence after all, and we all know from past example that they are patient and determined.
As for the game mechanics, I don't have a problem with this. Its a valid, if boring, way of capturing a system.
Now, however, with everyone free from POS warfare, its time for Providence to burn 
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Mast'loh
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Posted - 2007.06.07 08:45:00 -
[113]
Die, you slaver scum !!
Pos Exploiters!
We will be always free!!
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Zor Green
Segunda Fundacion
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.06.07 09:54:00 -
[114]
Great report! It¦s very nice to read a well written and complete story
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Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Fleetyards
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.06.07 10:22:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Eddie Gordo
Originally by: Raane Thyandar
Why do everyone's killboards add up to make them look like the winner?
Easy. Because unless you have a central killboard for all allies and enemies you will only ever show your own losses, but allways all the allied kills. Karn was just showing our side.
Now there's an idea - a central killboard :P Although people probably don't want one as they are an excellent tool to gather intel.
Very, very nice writeup, Hardin. It was an honor (although mindnumbingly boring at times, especially during the nights) to be part of the campaign. CVA ops are always extremly well coordinated and led. Many kudos to the FCs.
And a big hug and kudos to the Ushra'Khan. I have seen the war from it's very beginnings and most of the time it's been a great ride. It's crazy how it has changed from something about a hundred people were involved in into epic proportions.
Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
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Kade Jeekin
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.06.07 10:47:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Kade Jeekin on 07/06/2007 10:47:16
Originally by: Hardin
Edited by: Hardin on 06/06/2007 17:25:51[Ushra'Khan losers are]...no doubt extremely depressed and bitter...
I, and many others in Ushra'Khan, are niether depressed nor bitter and resent the implied [Edit: blanket] critisism. Perhaps, you could have worded it better but it was a long post and your diplomacy may, understandably, have become a little frayed.
Now stop being so lazy and post something IC so that I can respond to you properly. Enough of this OOC metagaming.
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Golan Trevize
Amarr
Faderhuset
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Posted - 2007.06.07 11:15:00 -
[117]
From:Medusa Archon Class Carrier.
Location:Ogaria.
Commander:Admiral Trevize-RET.
Exellent work CVA , again and again you suprise , though i have never doubted the outcome of this campaign.
Amarr Victor.
The Gallente ideals of Freedom, Liberty and Equality will be met by the Amarr realities of Lasers, Armor and Battleships.
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Ruah Piskonit
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.07 11:19:00 -
[118]
Its been a long fight and I am glad to have been a small part of it.
Amarr Victor!!
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BLAIYNE
Shadow Play
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Posted - 2007.06.07 11:20:00 -
[119]
Excellent write-up, and very well written.
It's great to see that the RP'ing comunity is alive and kicking in amongst all the OOC turmoil that has beset Eve recently.
Good job to both parties.
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kelvinnunn
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Posted - 2007.06.07 14:03:00 -
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well as a member of U'K i would like to take the unpresidented stance and congratulate you on a well written and somewhat unbiased post Hardin
although it is hard to swallow you did get there in the end so well done
HOWEVER all slavers will eventually die the Ushra'Khan will never go away look forward to seeing you in local 
and i suppose till then good luck(ish) on whatever else you take on
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