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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.11 16:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Hardin
The only solution would be to base that piracy in an Amarr region but even that would still give the 'slaver' Amarrian a huge PR advantage because all the ****ed off locals would gravitate to the 'law-bringing' Amarrians - as happened to a certain extent in Providence.
I don't mean to sound flippant but I can't help thinking 'so what'. All that happened in Providence is that the 'unable/unwilling to PvP' alliances sided with whoever they thought would make their ISK-generating lives easier.
But they never contributed anything of value militarily. They provided cannon fodder, and some amusement, and a little raiding distraction, but their part in the overall conflict was completely inconsequential.
To be honest, competent PvP alliances/corps are better off without those deadweights diluting gangs, and dying all the time (then moaning about their being a lack of protection etc).
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Kaganis Warmonkey
Lyrus Associates
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.11 17:56:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Pouncer
1. The pirates were free to set anyone red without regard to your own standings.
Wrong. Our reds had to match U'K. 
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.11 18:01:00 -
[183]
Edited by: Janu Hull on 11/06/2007 18:01:35
Originally by: Butter Dog
All that happened in Providence is that the 'unable/unwilling to PvP' alliances sided with whoever they thought would make their ISK-generating lives easier.
He had the point right in the palm of his hand and missed it completely.
Just to help you out, all the ISK that gets generated, where do you think it gets spent?
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.11 18:08:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Janu Hull
Edited by: Janu Hull on 11/06/2007 18:01:35
Originally by: Butter Dog
All that happened in Providence is that the 'unable/unwilling to PvP' alliances sided with whoever they thought would make their ISK-generating lives easier.
He had the point right in the palm of his hand and missed it completely.
Just to help you out, all the ISK that gets generated, where do you think it gets spent?
on ebay?
Originally by: Eris Discordia
We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.11 18:28:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Janu Hull
Edited by: Janu Hull on 11/06/2007 18:01:35
Originally by: Butter Dog
All that happened in Providence is that the 'unable/unwilling to PvP' alliances sided with whoever they thought would make their ISK-generating lives easier.
He had the point right in the palm of his hand and missed it completely.
Just to help you out, all the ISK that gets generated, where do you think it gets spent?
on ebay?
Hilarious.
Components, ammunition, better weapons. Sometimes even ships (though the 50% mark up over Jita makes bringing new boats in from there worth the 20 jumps sometimes).
I'd also think any Industrialist with processed mineral buy orders would be thrilled by the amount of stuff I've dumped on the market in IS-R and 9UY. I've easily sold millions of units in just the last week now that I can get to the reprocessing facility again.
Its that economy thing no one out here seems to respect.
The other big contribution is intelligence. In a gang, yeah, maybe we are just cannon fodder. Lurking in a belt, we're a damned good set of eyes and ears. Just from listening in on the chatter yesterday, I know where you spent most of yesterday afternoon and what ship it was you were flying (a Pilgrim IIRC), Lilan. Even sent in a few reports of my own when you flew through the system where I was ratting. CVA could paint a nice pretty picture of your movements through the region from the information we gathered for them. If they wanted to take you down, they'd have at least a two jump head start, knowing where you are, where you came from, and where the key travel lanes in the region pass through.
I can see the impact that kind of intelligence network has on the people who try playing hardball with them in the region. 9 out of 10 hostile pilots seem to be in Vagabonds that can flee from combat on no notice when we blob up.
And despite the relative lack of combat ability most of us ratters have individually, when we blob up, it seems all of you hardcore PvP alliance types suddenly lose your stomach for fighting and head for the safespots as fast as your MWDs can get you there. Pirates like the Laughing Leprachauns and Repo at least have the stomach to fly battlecruisers and battleships to make a stand when they're cornered.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.11 18:59:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: Lilan Kahn
Originally by: Janu Hull
Edited by: Janu Hull on 11/06/2007 18:01:35
Originally by: Butter Dog
All that happened in Providence is that the 'unable/unwilling to PvP' alliances sided with whoever they thought would make their ISK-generating lives easier.
He had the point right in the palm of his hand and missed it completely.
Just to help you out, all the ISK that gets generated, where do you think it gets spent?
on ebay?
blah blah
No self-respecting entity makes their ISK in providence since its such a resource poor area.
We know perfectly well that PvP requires an ISK backbone. Which is why our industrial operations are well out of harms way (and very profitable, thank you).
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.11 19:12:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Butter Dog
No self-respecting entity makes their ISK in providence since its such a resource poor area.
Must be a nice view from the top, we'll compare notes when I get there. For now, I'm just a low level operative just fresh from the barber having shaved off the carebear fur. Providence may not be much, but its a helluva step up for someone in my position, so you'll forgive me if I enjoy it for what it is.
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We know perfectly well that PvP requires an ISK backbone. Which is why our industrial operations are well out of harms way (and very profitable, thank you).
Good for you. Think you can spare a few lessons for Ushra'Khan? They seem to have slept through that lesson in empire building.
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eRabbit
5punkorp
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.11 19:19:00 -
[188]
Edited by: eRabbit on 11/06/2007 19:21:00
Originally by: Janu Hull
For now, I'm just a low level operative just fresh from the barber having shaved off the carebear fur.
Originally by: Janu Hull
Think you can spare a few lessons for Ushra'Khan? They seem to have slept through that lesson in empire building.
For someone who admits themselves to being new to 0.0, you should probably show more respect to a group of people who have achieved a lot more than you have.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.11 19:51:00 -
[189]
Originally by: eRabbit
Edited by: eRabbit on 11/06/2007 19:21:00
Originally by: Janu Hull
For now, I'm just a low level operative just fresh from the barber having shaved off the carebear fur.
Originally by: Janu Hull
Think you can spare a few lessons for Ushra'Khan? They seem to have slept through that lesson in empire building.
For someone who admits themselves to being new to 0.0, you should probably show more respect to a group of people who have achieved a lot more than you have.
Respect is earned.
I kept hearing about all this heat being on, and the whole damned time I was ratting in that end of Providence three jumps from 9UY and saw NOTHING. I've run a friggin' unarmed, unstabbed Industrial ship through 9UY and I've never been challenged, even after UK declared me hostile.
There was a lotta hot air blowin', but there's no fire behind it. Even now, so what, they go on a random rampage against anyone they declare their enemy. The only shaking I'm doing is with my head wondering "What else is new in 0.0?" There's no more challenge evading their threats than their is anyone else in the region.
The only system they regularly haunt is 9UY. Twice I've seen them elsewhere in Providence in the last two months. Not exactly the most commanding presence.
They accomplished quite a bit, but then again, they failed to make it work. It wasn't sustainable progress, and nothing in what I see them say here tells me they have a clue about how to make an empire work.
So now they're nothing more than another roaming band of troublemakers. Camping gates, hiding around moons. No more a threat than anything else a belt ratter has to put up with.
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Sapphrine
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.11 20:00:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Janu Hull
Respect is earned.
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yes respect is indeed earned. You may well have a low opinion of U'K but I assure you that you're in the minority here.
I'd far rather have 10 pilots at my back with pvp experience than 30 pilots without a clue. Its all well and good to say you can feed intel but i suspect you might miss alot of the nuance of what is actually important or useful intel to an FC.
I do think you chose the right side though, your sheer arrogance marks you as amarr.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.11 20:01:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: eRabbit
Edited by: eRabbit on 11/06/2007 19:21:00
Originally by: Janu Hull
For now, I'm just a low level operative just fresh from the barber having shaved off the carebear fur.
Originally by: Janu Hull
Think you can spare a few lessons for Ushra'Khan? They seem to have slept through that lesson in empire building.
For someone who admits themselves to being new to 0.0, you should probably show more respect to a group of people who have achieved a lot more than you have.
Respect is earned.
I kept hearing about all this heat being on, and the whole damned time I was ratting in that end of Providence three jumps from 9UY and saw NOTHING. I've run a friggin' unarmed, unstabbed Industrial ship through 9UY and I've never been challenged, even after UK declared me hostile.
There was a lotta hot air blowin', but there's no fire behind it. Even now, so what, they go on a random rampage against anyone they declare their enemy. The only shaking I'm doing is with my head wondering "What else is new in 0.0?" There's no more challenge evading their threats than their is anyone else in the region.
The only system they regularly haunt is 9UY. Twice I've seen them elsewhere in Providence in the last two months. Not exactly the most commanding presence.
They accomplished quite a bit, but then again, they failed to make it work. It wasn't sustainable progress, and nothing in what I see them say here tells me they have a clue about how to make an empire work.
So now they're nothing more than another roaming band of troublemakers. Camping gates, hiding around moons. No more a threat than anything else a belt ratter has to put up with.
Oh dear.
Quite the opinionated yet clueless individual, arent you. A glance at various killboards from those involved in 9UY will tell you all you need to know.
Just because they're not stalking your every move, doenst meant they won't be blowing up billions of ISK in shipping, and laughing all the way to the bank.
I just hope at least part of that is at considerable expense to you. UK have achieved more in this game than you ever have, or ever will. Try to think about that next time you post such utter drivel.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.11 20:31:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Oh dear.
Quite the opinionated yet clueless individual, arent you. A glance at various killboards from those involved in 9UY will tell you all you need to know.
Killboards mean nothing to me. Egostroking and statistical spin doctoring.
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Just because they're not stalking your every move, doenst meant they won't be blowing up billions of ISK in shipping, and laughing all the way to the bank.
Interesting since I hear so little of anything to do with any of them on any of the intel channels I follow. Again, the Kheram pirates are more notorious at the moment.
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I just hope at least part of that is at considerable expense to you.
UK's cost me about 300 million ISK in losses. Nothing to sneeze at, but nothing that hasn't been replaced already.
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UK have achieved more in this game than you ever have, or ever will. Try to think about that next time you post such utter drivel.
I logged in for the first time in December of 2006. I first entered the Providence region in late April. I haven't had time to accomplish much, and you have no idea what I'm capable of doing given time.
I've built empires before. The games are just different skins on the same regurgitated mechanics. This one's a little unique on the outside, but its all the same crap at its rotten core. Its all politics and bravado. The killboard stats and ubar-leet PeenVPeen skillz are insignificant. Its all about who you know, and how you use them to your advantage. Same as it ever is in any sandbox universe.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.11 21:29:00 -
[193]
Edited by: Butter Dog on 11/06/2007 21:29:41
Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: Butter Dog
Oh dear.
Quite the opinionated yet clueless individual, arent you. A glance at various killboards from those involved in 9UY will tell you all you need to know.
Killboards mean nothing to me. Egostroking and statistical spin doctoring.
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Just because they're not stalking your every move, doenst meant they won't be blowing up billions of ISK in shipping, and laughing all the way to the bank.
Interesting since I hear so little of anything to do with any of them on any of the intel channels I follow. Again, the Kheram pirates are more notorious at the moment.
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I just hope at least part of that is at considerable expense to you.
UK's cost me about 300 million ISK in losses. Nothing to sneeze at, but nothing that hasn't been replaced already.
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UK have achieved more in this game than you ever have, or ever will. Try to think about that next time you post such utter drivel.
I logged in for the first time in December of 2006. I first entered the Providence region in late April. I haven't had time to accomplish much, and you have no idea what I'm capable of doing given time.
I've built empires before. The games are just different skins on the same regurgitated mechanics. This one's a little unique on the outside, but its all the same crap at its rotten core. Its all politics and bravado. The killboard stats and ubar-leet PeenVPeen skillz are insignificant. Its all about who you know, and how you use them to your advantage. Same as it ever is in any sandbox universe.
It may not have actually occured to you, but a lot of people who play eve have absolutely no desire to 'empire build' as you put it. Quite the opposite - our small alliance exists to have fun. And guess what? Pew pew is fun. I log on and talk to friend, many of whom I have met in real life, and we go shoot things. Ite an enjoyable diversion.
Fuelling and managing an outpost is not fun in the slightest (and believe me when I say we know this better than most - nearly all of BUM came from ISS).
Now, we're not stupid. We know that fun cost ISK. So we have quite seperate industrial interests (incuding quite a diversified range of T2 production) which is kepy nicely out of harms way and managed by alts. Nothing new or clever about that - but it is the enabler which lets us (BUM) focus on doing what we enjoy. Its also nothing to do with 'empire building' as you put it. Its just an enabler for our shiny ships and guns.
The fact remains, that our little collection of pew-pewers generates more ISK in loot than you will ever make in Providence doing anything of an indusrial nature. Only a few days ago we said hello to a 6bn ISK navy Raven (unfortunately only 3bn of loot survived, but you can't have it all). But the loot is simply a bonus, the main reason we shoot things is because we enjoy doing it.
So who is laughing now? The bitter industrialist, or the pvpers who simply log in to have some fun at your expense?
Doesnt take a genius to work that one out. I think you'll find a lot of UK are very happy with their new found freedom to enjoy the game again.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.11 21:52:00 -
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That's fine, Butterdog. If you're enjoying yourself, fine. I'm enjoying myself, everyone else seems to be having some level of fun around it, so screw it. Table the forum drama, and I'll see you around.
You're not intimidating me with the threat of ship loss or being podkilled, I'm over and beyond those kinds of losses, and I'm never without a fallback position to carry on in the event of a catastrophic loss.
Don't think I'll be feeding you anything like six billion ISK in parts anytime in the near future, but then I don't plan on feeding you much of anything other than a frustrated attempt to catch me if we ever end up in the same system.
Besides...who the hell in their right mind runs a CNR fitted like that into no sec (or lowsec, for that matter)? I just fitted a tech 2 tanked standard Raven out to Providence last night, and damned if I didn't drop more than 150 million total INCLUDING insurance... That's just insane...
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Fwaatcha
Caldari
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.06.12 00:34:00 -
[195]
Not gonna read all 5 pages
Thanks for the read Hardin. It seemed as unbias as you could make it.
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chrisreeves
Gallente
Asgard Protectorate
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Posted - 2007.06.12 07:37:00 -
[196]
My first experience with rp came when we were in ISS and were flying through 9UY area and saw the rp in local. I personally thought it was one of the coolest things that I had experienced in eve (besides personally cynoing in the LV fleet Titan and all, helping defend multiple fronts in the New Eden War, being a driving force for defense during my time zone in ISS and experiencing pos sieging and fleet ops firsthand).
I kinda put it on that same level.
Someone laughed when I mentioned about ISS bringing in pilots to assist. I wasn't making the point as if ISS could have turned the tide. I was making the point because I saw the standings in ISS that had U.K listed and friends and I know how I treat my friends. I come to their aid, no matter the consequence.
My wish is that I had left ISS earlier and/or formed up gangs to go help UK earlier because, in my opinion they deserved it and had earned my and others, respect. Unfortunately I did not for reason that are not appropriate to mention right now.
To U.K, I have to apologize for not doing more personally but I tried. To CVA I have to say congrats on winning 9UY however it was done and I have to say, in my opinion shame on those who called themselves friends and could have partook in this eve historic battle but didn't.
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The Ibis was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Gaven Lok'ri
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.12 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 12/06/2007 15:17:04
The disrespect for U'K on the last page of this thread is low class and unwarranted.
They could have bent over and died when presented with a force they could not beat. They did not.
No one who manages to maintain a hold on their system for a month of solid siege warfare should be disrespected, period.
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Torshin
TARDZ
Gods of Night and Day
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Posted - 2007.06.12 15:42:00 -
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lol hull you must not only be new to 0.0 you must be new to the forums. Save your energy and stop trying to fight with bitter dog, its almost impossible to win, he will just drag you down with him.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.12 18:10:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Torshin
lol hull you must not only be new to 0.0 you must be new to the forums. Save your energy and stop trying to fight with bitter dog, its almost impossible to win, he will just drag you down with him.
Win or lose, its interesting, anyway. At least I'm getting my daily dose of forum drama.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.12 18:19:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: Torshin
lol hull you must not only be new to 0.0 you must be new to the forums. Save your energy and stop trying to fight with bitter dog, its almost impossible to win, he will just drag you down with him.
Win or lose, its interesting, anyway. At least I'm getting my daily dose of forum drama.
I don't have an issue with you agreeing/disagreeing with me, you are entitled to do so even if you do not speak from valid experience.
But a lot of people, including myself, have a problem with you disrespecting UK. You're not involved enough to pass a valid opinion on this. We've been alongside UK since before they built the 9UY station (in fact, a gang I led in ISS helped drive off a hostile POS assualt only two days before the station was built).
We've seen first hand, the hell and high water UK have been through, trying to police that part of Providence and defend that station against two massive assaults. By sheer grit and determination have they held on to is as long as they have. For such a comparatively small alliance to have been so successful in their goals deserves nothing but your respect. No-one in this entire thread but you seems to doubt this.
That is the issue here. Your nublet-like opnions on other matters are merely an amusing diversion. You don't have the knowledge or credibility to pass a valid opinion on UK, and that is the end of the matter.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.12 19:16:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Janu Hull
Originally by: Torshin
lol hull you must not only be new to 0.0 you must be new to the forums. Save your energy and stop trying to fight with bitter dog, its almost impossible to win, he will just drag you down with him.
Win or lose, its interesting, anyway. At least I'm getting my daily dose of forum drama.
I don't have an issue with you agreeing/disagreeing with me, you are entitled to do so even if you do not speak from valid experience.
But a lot of people, including myself, have a problem with you disrespecting UK. You're not involved enough to pass a valid opinion on this. We've been alongside UK since before they built the 9UY station (in fact, a gang I led in ISS helped drive off a hostile POS assualt only two days before the station was built).
We've seen first hand, the hell and high water UK have been through, trying to police that part of Providence and defend that station against two massive assaults. By sheer grit and determination have they held on to is as long as they have. For such a comparatively small alliance to have been so successful in their goals deserves nothing but your respect. No-one in this entire thread but you seems to doubt this.
That is the issue here. Your nublet-like opnions on other matters are merely an amusing diversion. You don't have the knowledge or credibility to pass a valid opinion on UK, and that is the end of the matter.
And yet two sentences garner an essay response.
Welcome to post-modernism.
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.12 19:35:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Janu Hull
And yet two sentences garner an essay response.
Welcome to post-modernism.
And your reply relates to the point I've raised... how?
If only all my essays at university consisted of a few short paragraphs.
Next.
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Janu Hull
Caldari
Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.12 20:29:00 -
[203]
If my opinion means so little, why respond to it?
I don't recall reading any minimum experience or length of gameplay requirement for posting here. Its essentially a dumping ground for opinions. I think I've done pretty well staying out of tinfoil territory, and I don't think I've been that disrespectful to anyone personally. If a negative opinion of an organization's performance during a military campaign is enough to bind anyone's panties that tight, I'm not the one with the problem.
When its been pointed out to me that I've said something in error, I haven't been hesitant to apologize.
That said, I've made something of a home in Providence, and I've watched the comings and goings there long enough to pick up the patterns well enough to know my ass from a hole in the ground, and I've got my .02 ISK to throw on the table.
Don't know where it came in that I don't respect Ushra'Khan, they were the first alliance to welcome me as a neutral into the Providence region, and for that I'm still grateful to them. If anything, I really regret them losing Unity, because dammit, you can't beat free parking as a perk. 
I've taken my beatings in 0.0 in stride. I've been shot up by IAC, Goonswarm, Einherjar Rising, even UK once, and they haven't stopped me yet. I've been in gangs that have chased off gankers, I've had my ship blown to pieces sitting in front of a space station ignoring me for being foolish enough to have opened fire.
Don't know exactly what you think amounts to enough credibility to speak your mind around here, and frankly I don't care. I'm here now, and I'm up to my neck in it. For you that means, get used to seeing my name. I'm the face they slammed into the mold when they minted bad pennies.
Look at the bright side, at least I'm not someone's alt.
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Sapphrine
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.12 20:47:00 -
[204]
Edited by: Sapphrine on 12/06/2007 20:48:00
Originally by: Janu Hull
Don't know where it came in that I don't respect Ushra'Khan,
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Don't know exactly what you think amounts to enough credibility to speak your mind around here, and frankly I don't care.
To address your first point, you were sitting happily telling U'K they missed a lesson in empire building iirc? Given your limited experience and U'K pedigree and existence as the second oldest alliance in the game, they really do have a fair bit of experience. That they've lost a fight... fair enough... S*** happens but its hardly going to tear the alliance to pieces. They'll regroup and fight their ground.
As for your second point, any player starting here has the potential to be credible.... however when the first things people see is you being opinionated and seeming quite clueless.... thats exactly how you'll be taken.
Now stop arguing semantics or petty points and get back on the point in this thread or find another one to snipe in.
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Isyel
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.12 21:25:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Sapphrine
Edited by: Sapphrine on 12/06/2007 20:48:00
Originally by: Janu Hull
Don't know where it came in that I don't respect Ushra'Khan,
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Don't know exactly what you think amounts to enough credibility to speak your mind around here, and frankly I don't care.
To address your first point, you were sitting happily telling U'K they missed a lesson in empire building iirc? Given your limited experience and U'K pedigree and existence as the second oldest alliance in the game, they really do have a fair bit of experience. That they've lost a fight... fair enough... S*** happens but its hardly going to tear the alliance to pieces. They'll regroup and fight their ground.
As for your second point, any player starting here has the potential to be credible.... however when the first things people see is you being opinionated and seeming quite clueless.... thats exactly how you'll be taken.
Now stop arguing semantics or petty points and get back on the point in this thread or find another one to snipe in.
Edited for accuracy and spag as ever
Ironically (at least as far as i know and i've been in the U'K for a while) the U'K was never much into proper empire building anyway. It was more about setting up a safe haven and beating those stinking slavers to a pulp. 
And i know how what happened there looks. You make the area safe, protect groups from pirates etc. and they take it for granted. Something happens and it's all forgotten, they suddenly turn hostile.
And as far as Janu Hall is saying.
Most of what the bunch of safety craving 0.0 carebears are spending their stubbornly earned isk on rarely (if ever) sees any meaningful PvP. It's used to make more ISK in an endless circle of complete uselessness. At least you give the PvPers money by blowing up.
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We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.06.12 22:58:00 -
[206]
Originally by: Janu Hull
Look at the bright side, at least I'm not someone's alt.
No, I pretty much peg you as an alt. You live in an empty corp to relentlessly spam CAOD. I assume the BoB threads where most alts live have just gotten boring, so you're over trolling in this one to keep in practice until they pick up again.
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Mr LovaLova
The Pole Position
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Posted - 2007.06.13 01:40:00 -
[207]
Tonight on EvE-online, Butter Dog vs Janu Hill special!
Oh wait... gratz CVA and UK
roleplay keeping it alive
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.13 07:36:00 -
[208]
Originally by: Janu Hull
Don't know where it came in that I don't respect Ushra'Khan
Pure self-ownage. I say no more.
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Hygelac
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.13 12:22:00 -
[209]
Epic write up Hardin and it clears up a lot of the misinformed ideas under which I was labouring. Respect to CVA sounds hard-fought.
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Isis Dea
Minmatar
Aspi-Vore Xenosaders
North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:33:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 11/06/2007 21:29:41
It may not have actually occured to you, but a lot of people who play eve have absolutely no desire to 'empire build' as you put it. Quite the opposite - our small alliance exists to have fun. And guess what? Pew pew is fun. I log on and talk to friend, many of whom I have met in real life, and we go shoot things. Ite an enjoyable diversion.
Fuelling and managing an outpost is not fun in the slightest (and believe me when I say we know this better than most - nearly all of BUM came from ISS).
Now, we're not stupid. We know that fun cost ISK. So we have quite seperate industrial interests (incuding quite a diversified range of T2 production) which is kepy nicely out of harms way and managed by alts. Nothing new or clever about that - but it is the enabler which lets us (BUM) focus on doing what we enjoy. Its also nothing to do with 'empire building' as you put it. Its just an enabler for our shiny ships and guns.
The fact remains, that our little collection of pew-pewers generates more ISK in loot than you will ever make in Providence doing anything of an industrial nature. Only a few days ago we said hello to a 6bn ISK navy Raven (unfortunately only 3bn of loot survived, but you can't have it all). But the loot is simply a bonus, the main reason we shoot things is because we enjoy doing it.
So who is laughing now? The bitter industrialist, or the pvpers who simply log in to have some fun at your expense?
Doesnt take a genius to work that one out. I think you'll find a lot of UK are very happy with their new found freedom to enjoy the game again.
As a fellow PvP'er for nearly three years now having fought on over four epic battlefields (in terms of alliance involvement), I must say your post is harsh and cold and has little weight other than throwing threats around.
First off, remind yourself that there are more interests in Eve other than your own. His joys in (eve) life may not come from the same sources as your own. "Fun" to you may in other words not be "fun" to him. This applies to your "PvP", his "industrialization", and your statement remarking "empire building".
In terms of profit- both sides make profit. As a PvP'er, your profit is through killing of players, his is through killing of NPCs and roids. Both of you make loot. While you did strike lucky with the Navy Raven, not all of your kills will be as expensive and/or yield as much as that one in particular. Meanwhile Janu's loot is a continuous spew of loot without the chance factor of the T2 loot but rather instead the chance loot of a named or officer NPC.
In the end your both equal. If Janu desides to involve mining in 0.0, technically the profit (despite what folks have argued) will swing in Janu's favor should he involve himself in the richer ores of 0.0 mainly if he can maintain constant "loot" from these roids. (Look up the 0.0 ore profits if you don't believe me.)
Loss factor is also equal. You take the same risk by joining a gang as he does going solo. While you have more firepower and means of killing, you also are more detectable and slow moving (even if you run an effective vagabond gang).
In the end you still are equal; you just swing your statements selfishly in your favor while Janu remarks they're only in your favor.
To poke some more fun at you, I've got friends in BUM as well as talked to some of the members in BUM during our fights in 9UY and surrounding areas. Even your own selfish views of profit in BUM -you might want to go back and check and see if the others in BUM are profiting the same way, for what I heard is what I heard and I will make no further comment on it other than you might want to look into your won words. 
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