Originally by: Janu Hull

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Nothing says gritty cynicism like a 1 ISK note wedged between a pair of silicone enhanced knockers.

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Magnus: They refuse to admit that theyÆre losing to another alliance, and the only explanation that they can figure out is that those guys are cheating. Not just that theyÆre cheating, but that theyÆre cheating in cooperation with employees at CCP. That seems to be the only logical explanation that theyÆre coming up with.

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Originally by: Daedalus DuGalle

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Well if all the big ships congregate in one area, and the small ships in another, the Titan pilot will probably doomsday the big ships hoping to maximise damage. Hence big ships protecting small ships.

Maybe?

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Originally by: Tabouli

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Magnus: They refuse to admit that theyÆre losing to another alliance, and the only explanation that they can figure out is that those guys are cheating. Not just that theyÆre cheating, but that theyÆre cheating in cooperation with employees at CCP. That seems to be the only logical explanation that theyÆre coming up with.

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While the question probably put you in an awkward position, this is a really, really amazing thing to say. How can you possibly present yourself as a respectable business while making sweeping comments like this about your customers?

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Originally by: Magnus

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The allegations have basically been proven false.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/06/2007 15:12:29

Originally by: Tabouli

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Magnus: They refuse to admit that theyÆre losing to another alliance, and the only explanation that they can figure out is that those guys are cheating. Not just that theyÆre cheating, but that theyÆre cheating in cooperation with employees at CCP. That seems to be the only logical explanation that theyÆre coming up with.

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While the question probably put you in an awkward position, this is a really, really amazing thing to say. How can you possibly present yourself as a respectable business while making sweeping comments like this about your customers?

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What's wrong with the quote? It seems quite accurate to me.

As I like to say, if at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/06/2007 15:12:29

Originally by: Tabouli

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Magnus: They refuse to admit that theyÆre losing to another alliance, and the only explanation that they can figure out is that those guys are cheating. Not just that theyÆre cheating, but that theyÆre cheating in cooperation with employees at CCP. That seems to be the only logical explanation that theyÆre coming up with.

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While the question probably put you in an awkward position, this is a really, really amazing thing to say. How can you possibly present yourself as a respectable business while making sweeping comments like this about your customers?

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What's wrong with the quote? It seems quite accurate to me.

As I like to say, if at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.

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Originally by: Jamie Hara

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Edited by: Jamie Hara on 11/06/2007 15:00:57
Please explain this statement:

Magnus: First, Titans have the Doomsday Device, which obliterates smaller ships if nothing is tanking for them. But many of the larger ships can protect the smaller ships from that sort of thing.

"But many of the larger ships can protect the smaller ships from that sort of thing."


Someone please explain how larger ships can protect the smaller ships from a Doomsday Device.

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Originally by: Tabouli

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Magnus: They refuse to admit that theyÆre losing to another alliance, and the only explanation that they can figure out is that those guys are cheating. Not just that theyÆre cheating, but that theyÆre cheating in cooperation with employees at CCP. That seems to be the only logical explanation that theyÆre coming up with.

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While the question probably put you in an awkward position, this is a really, really amazing thing to say. How can you possibly present yourself as a respectable business while making sweeping comments like this about your customers?

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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What's wrong with the quote? It seems quite accurate to me.

As I like to say, if at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.

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Originally by: Tabouli

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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What's wrong with the quote? It seems quite accurate to me.

As I like to say, if at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.

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It doesn't matter if he is correct or not, he's making sweeping callous comments about his customers. It's just really, really unprofessional. It's one thing for the players in a sandbox to demonize each other, but the creators? To what end? Alienating their playerbase?

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Originally by: Patch86

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Originally by: Jamie Hara

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Edited by: Jamie Hara on 11/06/2007 15:00:57
Please explain this statement:

Magnus: First, Titans have the Doomsday Device, which obliterates smaller ships if nothing is tanking for them. But many of the larger ships can protect the smaller ships from that sort of thing.

"But many of the larger ships can protect the smaller ships from that sort of thing."


Someone please explain how larger ships can protect the smaller ships from a Doomsday Device.

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God knows. Maybe he was talking about remote repping and such? Doesn't make much sense, anyway, seeing as it's an instant HP hit, not a damage-over-time thing.

Whatever it is, it's a tactic that I've not heard of.

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Originally by: Jamie Hara

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Originally by: Patch86

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Originally by: Jamie Hara

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Edited by: Jamie Hara on 11/06/2007 15:00:57
Please explain this statement:

Magnus: First, Titans have the Doomsday Device, which obliterates smaller ships if nothing is tanking for them. But many of the larger ships can protect the smaller ships from that sort of thing.

"But many of the larger ships can protect the smaller ships from that sort of thing."


Someone please explain how larger ships can protect the smaller ships from a Doomsday Device.

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God knows. Maybe he was talking about remote repping and such? Doesn't make much sense, anyway, seeing as it's an instant HP hit, not a damage-over-time thing.

Whatever it is, it's a tactic that I've not heard of.

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Wouldn't smaller ships die instantly from a Doomsday Device?

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Originally by: DarkFenix

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Originally by: Tabouli

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Magnus: They refuse to admit that theyÆre losing to another alliance, and the only explanation that they can figure out is that those guys are cheating. Not just that theyÆre cheating, but that theyÆre cheating in cooperation with employees at CCP. That seems to be the only logical explanation that theyÆre coming up with.

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While the question probably put you in an awkward position, this is a really, really amazing thing to say. How can you possibly present yourself as a respectable business while making sweeping comments like this about your customers?

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Well, it's essentially true. And anyway, I would tend towards valuing a bit of straight talking honesty above any PR crap companies usually feed the public.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Alienating people who intentionally tried to defame the company and DDOS the company's servers?

I say more power to CCP .

P.S. To the goons in this thread: hihihihihihihi

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Originally by: Dramaticus

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Originally by: DarkFenix

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Originally by: Tabouli

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Magnus: They refuse to admit that theyÆre losing to another alliance, and the only explanation that they can figure out is that those guys are cheating. Not just that theyÆre cheating, but that theyÆre cheating in cooperation with employees at CCP. That seems to be the only logical explanation that theyÆre coming up with.

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While the question probably put you in an awkward position, this is a really, really amazing thing to say. How can you possibly present yourself as a respectable business while making sweeping comments like this about your customers?

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Well, it's essentially true. And anyway, I would tend towards valuing a bit of straight talking honesty above any PR crap companies usually feed the public.

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This straight talking honesty is as rare as a Goon in a battleship.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Tabouli

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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What's wrong with the quote? It seems quite accurate to me.

As I like to say, if at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.

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It doesn't matter if he is correct or not, he's making sweeping callous comments about his customers. It's just really, really unprofessional. It's one thing for the players in a sandbox to demonize each other, but the creators? To what end? Alienating their playerbase?

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Alienating people who intentionally tried to defame the company and DDOS the company's servers?

I say more power to CCP .

P.S. To the goons in this thread: hihihihihihihi

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Originally by: Tabouli

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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What's wrong with the quote? It seems quite accurate to me.

As I like to say, if at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.

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It doesn't matter if he is correct or not, he's making sweeping callous comments about his customers. It's just really, really unprofessional. It's one thing for the players in a sandbox to demonize each other, but the creators? To what end? Alienating their playerbase?

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Originally by: Deaken Fiss

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do you believe in what you are writing here?

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Magnus: They refuse to admit that theyÆre losing to another alliance, and the only explanation that they can figure out is that those guys are cheating. Not just that theyÆre cheating, but that theyÆre cheating in cooperation with employees at CCP. That seems to be the only logical explanation that theyÆre coming up with.

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Originally by: Interview

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Most of the requests come through our forums, and we all actively read that material. Players might not realize it, but reading the forums is like a religion here at CCP. Most of us do it every day.

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Originally by: Deaken Fiss

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Tabouli

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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What's wrong with the quote? It seems quite accurate to me.

As I like to say, if at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.

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It doesn't matter if he is correct or not, he's making sweeping callous comments about his customers. It's just really, really unprofessional. It's one thing for the players in a sandbox to demonize each other, but the creators? To what end? Alienating their playerbase?

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Alienating people who intentionally tried to defame the company and DDOS the company's servers?

I say more power to CCP .

P.S. To the goons in this thread: hihihihihihihi

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do you believe in what you are writing here?

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Tabouli

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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What's wrong with the quote? It seems quite accurate to me.

As I like to say, if at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.

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It doesn't matter if he is correct or not, he's making sweeping callous comments about his customers. It's just really, really unprofessional. It's one thing for the players in a sandbox to demonize each other, but the creators? To what end? Alienating their playerbase?

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Alienating people who intentionally tried to defame the company and DDOS the company's servers?

I say more power to CCP .

P.S. To the goons in this thread: hihihihihihihi

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Originally by: RaTTuS

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Nuff said

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Deaken Fiss

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do you believe in what you are writing here?

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Please explain how making up lies about CCP and submitting them to dozens of news sites and magazines is not an attempt to defame the company.

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Originally by: Alias11

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Do you know a) what a ddos is, and b) what would have actually happened to eve if we actually performed one?

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Deaken Fiss

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do you believe in what you are writing here?

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Please explain how making up lies about CCP and submitting them to dozens of news sites and magazines is not an attempt to defame the company.

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Originally by: Cheunger

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Deaken Fiss

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do you believe in what you are writing here?

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Please explain how making up lies about CCP and submitting them to dozens of news sites and magazines is not an attempt to defame the company.

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Please explain why all changes are made after BoD has exploited things to the fullest?

Titan, POS bowling, etc. We all know FIX would have fallen on their asses if big brother BoD wasn't there with their Titans.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Alias11

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Do you know a) what a ddos is, and b) what would have actually happened to eve if we actually performed one?

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There are many forms of DDOS; you attempted a DDOS by flooding the forums.

A more serious and effective DDOS would be in the form of a TCP flood or HTTP flood, of course, but flooding the forums is still a DDOS, though a weak and pathetic one.

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Originally by: Alias11

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Alias11

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Do you know a) what a ddos is, and b) what would have actually happened to eve if we actually performed one?

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There are many forms of DDOS; you attempted a DDOS by flooding the forums.

A more serious and effective DDOS would be in the form of a TCP flood or HTTP flood, of course, but flooding the forums is still a DDOS, though a weak and pathetic one.

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you have absolutely no idea what that first "d" means, do you?

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/06/2007 15:37:51

Originally by: Cheunger

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Deaken Fiss

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do you believe in what you are writing here?

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Please explain how making up lies about CCP and submitting them to dozens of news sites and magazines is not an attempt to defame the company.

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Please explain why all changes are made after BoD has exploited things to the fullest?

Titan, POS bowling, etc. We all know FIX would have fallen on their asses if big brother BoD wasn't there with their Titans.

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Are you that delusional?

Lets take POS bowling. You know who invented it? IAC.

You know who copied IAC? BoB.

You know who was petitioned and told to never do it again or get banned? BoB.

You know who then did it even when BoB was told not to? Evil Thug, of AAA. He stole BoB carriers this way.

Then, and only then, BoB resumed doing it.

If you don't like POS bowling, blame Evil Thug, or blame CCP. Don't blame BoB, who didn't start it and didn't get it declared legal either.

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Originally by: Alias11

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Alias11

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Do you know a) what a ddos is, and b) what would have actually happened to eve if we actually performed one?

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There are many forms of DDOS; you attempted a DDOS by flooding the forums.

A more serious and effective DDOS would be in the form of a TCP flood or HTTP flood, of course, but flooding the forums is still a DDOS, though a weak and pathetic one.

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you have absolutely no idea what that first "d" means, do you?

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Originally by: Ceros X

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Originally by: Alias11

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Alias11

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Do you know a) what a ddos is, and b) what would have actually happened to eve if we actually performed one?

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There are many forms of DDOS; you attempted a DDOS by flooding the forums.

A more serious and effective DDOS would be in the form of a TCP flood or HTTP flood, of course, but flooding the forums is still a DDOS, though a weak and pathetic one.

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you have absolutely no idea what that first "d" means, do you?

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I think the point is he has even less of an idea what the second D means.

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Originally by: Thanos Draicon

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Originally by: Ceros X

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Originally by: Alias11

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Alias11

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Do you know a) what a ddos is, and b) what would have actually happened to eve if we actually performed one?

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There are many forms of DDOS; you attempted a DDOS by flooding the forums.

A more serious and effective DDOS would be in the form of a TCP flood or HTTP flood, of course, but flooding the forums is still a DDOS, though a weak and pathetic one.

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you have absolutely no idea what that first "d" means, do you?

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I think the point is he has even less of an idea what the second D means.

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So does Goonswarm have an active Anti-Dark Shikari policy now? Honestly, I was more expecting something along the lines of poorly photoshopped p*rn with Dark Shikari's head in them...

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Originally by: Ifni

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My guess would be that by "small" he refers to battleships, and the "large" are cap ships.

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Originally by: Ifni

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If you're being remote repped by a carrier you can tank the DD with ease.

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Originally by: Cheunger

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/06/2007 15:37:51

Originally by: Cheunger

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Deaken Fiss

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do you believe in what you are writing here?

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Please explain how making up lies about CCP and submitting them to dozens of news sites and magazines is not an attempt to defame the company.

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Please explain why all changes are made after BoD has exploited things to the fullest?

Titan, POS bowling, etc. We all know FIX would have fallen on their asses if big brother BoD wasn't there with their Titans.

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Are you that delusional?

Lets take POS bowling. You know who invented it? IAC.

You know who copied IAC? BoB.

You know who was petitioned and told to never do it again or get banned? BoB.

You know who then did it even when BoB was told not to? Evil Thug, of AAA. He stole BoB carriers this way.

Then, and only then, BoB resumed doing it.

If you don't like POS bowling, blame Evil Thug, or blame CCP. Don't blame BoB, who didn't start it and didn't get it declared legal either.

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Oh really? Are you a dev too for knowing all this without proving jack ****?

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Originally by: Tabouli

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Magnus: They refuse to admit that theyÆre losing to another alliance, and the only explanation that they can figure out is that those guys are cheating. Not just that theyÆre cheating, but that theyÆre cheating in cooperation with employees at CCP. That seems to be the only logical explanation that theyÆre coming up with.

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While the question probably put you in an awkward position, this is a really, really amazing thing to say. How can you possibly present yourself as a respectable business while making sweeping comments like this about your customers?

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Originally by: Ceros X

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Magnus: They refuse to admit that they’re losing to another alliance, and the only explanation that they can figure out is that those guys are cheating. Not just that they’re cheating, but that they’re cheating in cooperation with employees at CCP. That seems to be the only logical explanation that they’re coming up with.

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Magnus: Yeah, thatÆs one of them. We want to make it feasible for small group combat, because, in general, itÆs more fun. So weÆre trying to implement stuff to do that. But as we said before, we just canÆt always predict what the users are going to do. We can try to influence them, but thatÆs often hard to do.

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Originally by: Aleric Vikyz

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It doesn't look like he even plays the game!

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Originally by: Hyperforce99

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what is it you want of CCP exactly?

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Originally by: Shadoo

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Originally by: Hyperforce99

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what is it you want of CCP exactly?

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Wasn't directed at me, but as a customer and a whorumer-in-training I'll answer anyway: Act like a professional company.

I thought CCP was pretty much there, but after reading the article now again... I have to wonder...

"Magnus: To start, we definitely respect all our users."

"Magnus: They refuse to admit that theyÆre losing to another alliance, and the only explanation that they can figure out is that those guys are cheating. Not just that theyÆre cheating, but that theyÆre cheating in cooperation with employees at CCP. That seems to be the only logical explanation that theyÆre coming up with."

Does that make sense to you if you forget all the in-game political BS? Saying you respect all of your customers after accusing one chunk of being crybabies who have to make up stuff because they're loosing sand castles is bit rich.

Sure -- it's probably true, but for a professional customer respecting company to state it in a public interview is not very... well.. respectful or professional...

Thou I have to admit... I'd love to go in front of my customers sometime with the same attitude as Magnus here...

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Originally by: Xalorn

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Regarding the 'small ships can be protected with big ships' line.
MMO public relations people are usually uneducated on the finer points of the game they represent. This isn't new. They are paid to represent CCP, not play the game & be experts at it.

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Ten Ton Hammer: Ever since this story was released, I have a hard time wrapping my head around the reasoning behind a player base as large as Goonsquad willingly undermining the foundations of the company that created their game. Why would a group of people do that?


Magnus: They refuse to admit that theyÆre losing to another alliance, and the only explanation that they can figure out is that those guys are cheating. Not just that theyÆre cheating, but that theyÆre cheating in cooperation with employees at CCP. That seems to be the only logical explanation that theyÆre coming up with.

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Originally by: Hyperforce99

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well, I believe he said it just the same way as it was.
They where accused of cheating and where corperatly attacked by a group of people (customer or not) that wanted to inflict harm on the company. therefore they may be customers but frankly at that point, they have also attacked the company, and at that point I believe they can use offensive messures themselves, if only to protect themselves against the alligations.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Are you that delusional?

Lets take POS bowling. You know who invented it? IAC.

You know who copied IAC? BoB.

You know who was petitioned and told to never do it again or get banned? BoB.

You know who then did it even when BoB was told not to? Evil Thug, of AAA. He stole BoB carriers this way.

Then, and only then, BoB resumed doing it.

If you don't like POS bowling, blame Evil Thug, or blame CCP. Don't blame BoB, who didn't start it and didn't get it declared legal either.

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Originally by: Tabouli

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I guess the term sandbox was more accurate than I thought.

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Originally by: Magnus:

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Another thing thatÆs being added is the ability for the Motherships to be scrambled, which you werenÆt able to do before. They were a bit too powerful, but now they can actually be killed.

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Originally by: 4P's

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I have met many Goonswarm pilots both in-game and out-of-game and I know they are only trying to enjoy the game like everyone else, and are far removed from all the stuff that has been happening lately. That comment I made pertains to those very few that seem to be masterminding the never ending attacks on CCP.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Lets take POS bowling. You know who invented it? IAC.

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Originally by: 4P's

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Now how about some positive posts about my other excellent comments ?

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This comes down to the idea that PvP should be really skill based and not skill points based.

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Originally by: 4P's

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:words:


Cheers,

Magnus

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Originally by: Demochthitus and Zeus, King of the Gods

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Demochthitus: I reached Zeus, King of the Gods, on Mount Olympus for this interview. Zeus, why are the Trojans all upset?

Zeus: Well, they are upset about being losing the war, you know, getting pillaged and having their temples desecrated, that sort of deal. They blame their defeat on the Gods unfairly helping the Greeks. But we had deities helping both sides, you know, for research and testing purposes.

Demochthitus: Well, the Greeks did have the son of an immortal sea nymph fighting for them and Athena did guide the Trojan horse.

Zeus: Yea, that may have tipped the balance, but we'll never really know. Things get dicey when the Gods come down from Olympus and interfere with the affairs of mortals.

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Originally by: Papa Ina

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Originally by: 4P's

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:words:


Cheers,

Magnus

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I appreciate your intent with this but I have a simple question. Do you honestly believe we attempted to crash the forums?

Most of us assumed you had actually just taken the forums down (for whatever reason). Also, no offense but your forum software is pretty terrible.

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Originally by: 4P's

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I thought I jump in here, to prevent any further misunderstanding of what I actually said and meant.

I have met many Goonswarm pilots both in-game and out-of-game and I know they are only trying to enjoy the game like everyone else, and are far removed from all the stuff that has been happening lately. That comment I made pertains to those very few that seem to be masterminding the never ending attacks on CCP.

To the question if I actually play the game then the answer is yes, as I have stated many times before. That quote on the Doomsday device makes no sense to me also, so I must assume the editor simply misquoted, which is not that uncommon with phone interviews.

Now how about some positive posts about my other excellent comments ?


Cheers,

Magnus

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Originally by: Papa Ina

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Originally by: 4P's

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:words:


Cheers,

Magnus

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I appreciate your intent with this but I have a simple question. Do you honestly believe we attempted to crash the forums?

Most of us assumed you had actually just taken the forums down (for whatever reason). Also, no offense but your forum software is pretty terrible.

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Originally by: Papa Ina

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I appreciate your intent with this but I have a simple question. Do you honestly believe we attempted to crash the forums?

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Originally by: Papa Ina

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Most of us assumed you had actually just taken the forums down (for whatever reason). Also, no offense but your forum software is pretty terrible.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Anyone comparing CCP to a glacier is really not being fair to the glacier.

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Originally by: Raem Civrie

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Good job. There's a reason why all EVE threads are now located on the YCS subforum.

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Originally by: Sasakisan

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This fragment from the writings of the ancient Greek blogger Demochthitus may be of some relevance to this thread.

Originally by: Demochthitus and Zeus, King of the Gods

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Demochthitus: I reached Zeus, King of the Gods, on Mount Olympus for this interview. Zeus, why are the Trojans all upset?

Zeus: Well, they are upset about being losing the war, you know, getting pillaged and having their temples desecrated, that sort of deal. They blame their defeat on the Gods unfairly helping the Greeks. But we had deities helping both sides, you know, for research and testing purposes.

Demochthitus: Well, the Greeks did have the son of an immortal sea nymph fighting for them and Athena did guide the Trojan horse.

Zeus: Yea, that may have tipped the balance, but we'll never really know. Things get dicey when the Gods come down from Olympus and interfere with the affairs of mortals.

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Originally by: Hyperforce99

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same question to you Tabouli!
How can you make such sweeping comments like the alligations to CCP. they put 10 years into making this game, you really believe they will pick sides and damage that, the side they pick is they're own and they're projected storyline.

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Originally by: Hyperforce99

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#1) deleted petitions (which is impossible)
#2) you speak of a battle lost because ccp drew against you (which is storyline)
#3) you speak of infiltrated corperations (which was bugfixing)
#4) to me it sounds like a part of goonswarm just wants CCP DEAD and they don't care how
#5) I thought goonswarm was a strong corp with a good system before, right now I just think they are a swarm of GOONS!!!

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Originally by: grayson 34

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Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.

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Originally by: doshin

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Originally by: Ifni

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My guess would be that by "small" he refers to battleships, and the "large" are cap ships.

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That's quite a leap as I don't think anyone who actually plays the game normally classifies a battleship as small.

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Originally by: doshin

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Originally by: Ifni

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If you're being remote repped by a carrier you can tank the DD with ease.

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Wrong. The DD is an alpha strike, being repped is irrelevant. Either you can tank it or you can't. I hope you were on EveTV as color commentary, because you seem to know as much about Eve as Magnus.

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Originally by: 4P's

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Now how about some positive posts about my other excellent comments ?


Cheers,

Magnus

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Originally by: Ifni

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Another explanation since you appear unable to grasp my meaning. People do tank specific damage types in order to tank titans. In this way, with the assistance of a carrier or motheship repping you, you can indeed tank a titan, it is relatively easy, infact. Since the most common titan in play is the Amarr Avatar, and people have a higher EM resist, a damage contol and some plates, which are fairly common in fleet combat already, are more than capable of weathering one blast of a doomsday. I'll freely admit that tanking multiple doomsdays is another question, but capital remote reps significant;y improve your chances of living through the aftemath, prior to a second blast. I know this, because I've done it.

I would make some witicism about you here, but I feel it would reflect badly upon EVETV, since you seem to think that my actions speak for them.

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Originally by: Viashivan

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Could GS simply leave this thread plz? There are much more interresting things to discuss, from that Interview. I'm really sick of the GS vs. the rest of the world, pleading for sympathy crying...

So please go somewhere else.

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Originally by: grayson 34

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Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.

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Originally by: AegriSomnia

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Originally by: Hyperforce99

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Originally by: Hyperforce99

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#5) I thought goonswarm was a strong corp with a good system before, right now I just think they are a swarm of GOONS!!!

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ANSWERS

#5) This is the most ground breaking and revolutionary statement ever made in the history of EVE-O forums!!!

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I will retract statement #5, I agree that if CCP deliberatly makes a side lose its not right, but you should also remember that eve does have a storyline that has to move towards kali 3 where the empire conquest (forgot the real name) missions whill be put in. the storyline has to reflect that. the way it was dealt with might be debateble.

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What's wrong with the quote? It seems quite accurate to me.

As I like to say, if at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.

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Originally by: Ifni

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My guess would be that by "small" he refers to battleships, and the "large" are cap ships. If you're being remote repped by a carrier you can tank the DD with ease.

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Originally by: 4P's

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Now how about some positive posts about my other excellent comments ?


Cheers,

Magnus

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Originally by: you

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First, Titans have the Doomsday Device, which obliterates smaller ships if nothing is tanking for them. But many of the larger ships can protect the smaller ships from that sort of thing.

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Originally by: Makhan

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Magnus: They refuse to admit that theyÆre losing to another alliance, and the only explanation that they can figure out is that those guys are cheating. Not just that theyÆre cheating, but that theyÆre cheating in cooperation with employees at CCP. That seems to be the only logical explanation that theyÆre coming up with.

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Stopped reading here.

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Originally by: Cringeley

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Some dodgy events came to light, and somebody made a bad call about how to respond (I would like to think that Arkonon would have dealt with it effectively if it had been emailed to him, but on the other hand given the way T20 was dealt with, and the way it was covered up until CCP was forced to admit, who knows).

What I don't understand is why you, meaning people at the highest levels of CCP, have to keep being such *****s about it. Do you feel so blameless in your ivory tower, sitting next to a guy who literally gave himself free in-game items and then bestowed them on his friends and didn't get fired. That people continue to play this game at all after the T20 scandal is a miracle and a testament to the brilliance of the concepts behind Eve, as well as its execution (even given the issues like fleet lag). I can't believe your arrogance in not just humbly accepting that miracle and treating your customers well, but instead going on the attack against anyone who is less than perfectly satisfied and trusting.

I hope your strategy works because I want Eve to flourish and get even better, and yet I hope your strategy fails because of what its success would say about the character of your customers.

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Originally by: Veng3ance

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Hahaha! This thread is awsome.3rd) Anyone else find it funny the goons are all replying like "what! we never said they cheat!"

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Originally by: Thesas

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Others await the ôright thingö to be said as well. With similar count downs.

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/06/2007 15:37:51

Originally by: Cheunger

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Deaken Fiss

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do you believe in what you are writing here?

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Please explain how making up lies about CCP and submitting them to dozens of news sites and magazines is not an attempt to defame the company.

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Please explain why all changes are made after BoD has exploited things to the fullest?

Titan, POS bowling, etc. We all know FIX would have fallen on their asses if big brother BoD wasn't there with their Titans.

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Are you that delusional?

Lets take POS bowling. You know who invented it? IAC.

You know who copied IAC? BoB.

You know who was petitioned and told to never do it again or get banned? BoB.

You know who then did it even when BoB was told not to? Evil Thug, of AAA. He stole BoB carriers this way.

Then, and only then, BoB resumed doing it.

If you don't like POS bowling, blame Evil Thug, or blame CCP. Don't blame BoB, who didn't start it and didn't get it declared legal either.

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Originally by: Abye

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After all that media attention focused on the goons, the story about ISD Raekhan/Graelyn went into the background.
The dev character Admiral Chamrajnagar getting renamed also adds some Tinfoilery

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Originally by: 4P's

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I thought I jump in here, to prevent any further misunderstanding of what I actually said and meant.

I have met many Goonswarm pilots both in-game and out-of-game and I know they are only trying to enjoy the game like everyone else, and are far removed from all the stuff that has been happening lately. That comment I made pertains to those very few that seem to be masterminding the never ending attacks on CCP.

To the question if I actually play the game then the answer is yes, as I have stated many times before. That quote on the Doomsday device makes no sense to me also, so I must assume the editor simply misquoted, which is not that uncommon with phone interviews.

Now how about some positive posts about my other excellent comments ?

Cheers,

Magnus

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Originally by: Jamie Hara

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Edited by: Jamie Hara on 11/06/2007 15:00:57
Please explain this statement:

Magnus: First, Titans have the Doomsday Device, which obliterates smaller ships if nothing is tanking for them. But many of the larger ships can protect the smaller ships from that sort of thing.

"But many of the larger ships can protect the smaller ships from that sort of thing."

The only thing I can think of is docking with a carrier/mom.

Dal

Someone please explain how larger ships can protect the smaller ships from a Doomsday Device.

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Originally by: grayson 34

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Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 11/06/2007 15:37:51

Originally by: Cheunger

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Originally by: Deaken Fiss

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do you believe in what you are writing here?

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Please explain how making up lies about CCP and submitting them to dozens of news sites and magazines is not an attempt to defame the company.

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Please explain why all changes are made after BoD has exploited things to the fullest?

Titan, POS bowling, etc. We all know FIX would have fallen on their asses if big brother BoD wasn't there with their Titans.

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Are you that delusional?

Lets take POS bowling. You know who invented it? IAC.

You know who copied IAC? BoB.

You know who was petitioned and told to never do it again or get banned? BoB.

You know who then did it even when BoB was told not to? Evil Thug, of AAA. He stole BoB carriers this way.

Then, and only then, BoB resumed doing it.

If you don't like POS bowling, blame Evil Thug, or blame CCP. Don't blame BoB, who didn't start it and didn't get it declared legal either.

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IAC has been POS bowling for a long time. I know this for a fact. ISS know this for a fact.

More, lets blaim BoB for all the wrong in EVE, from the peanut gallery. It is true the t20 debacle was horrid and its true BoB could have been more empathetic towards the community when it was released.

Blaiming CCP months later with anecdotal evidence that is just as easily crap as it is gold is pretty poor. Goons accomplished a lot, and now its just rotten tomatoes because the appearance of defeat makes them look like chumps.

In fact, its not loosing to crap game mechanics that is making them look like Chumps, the community can overlook that-they are horrible game mechanics. However, Threadnoughting and trying to ruin a company do make Goons look like Chumps of the highest order.

If that is the legacy of GS then what a waste of potential.

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Originally by: Kraven Kor

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ONLY CCP CAN QUASH THIS, AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO SO BY PUSHING THE BLAME ONTO GOONS.

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Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz

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Originally by: Kraven Kor

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ONLY CCP CAN QUASH THIS, AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO SO BY PUSHING THE BLAME ONTO GOONS.

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Go back to YCS and cry more to AxeManiac, please.

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Originally by: Kraven Kor

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Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz

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Originally by: Kraven Kor

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ONLY CCP CAN QUASH THIS, AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO SO BY PUSHING THE BLAME ONTO GOONS.

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Go back to YCS and cry more to AxeManiac, please.

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What is YCS and who is AxeManiac???

Don't pidgeon-hole me in with any group here. My reasons are my own and I'm not on either of the current bandwagons.

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Originally by: Szprinkoth Sponsz

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Originally by: Kraven Kor

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ONLY CCP CAN QUASH THIS, AND THEY ARE NOT GOING TO DO SO BY PUSHING THE BLAME ONTO GOONS.

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Go back to YCS and cry more to AxeManiac, please.

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Originally by: Aleric Vikyz

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Well, at least we don't have to worry about Magnus being involved in a T20-like scandle. I doubt he's in an Alliance. It doesn't look like he even plays the game!

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Originally by: Gaven Blands

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Was I the only person who noticed that Kieron's big massive page debunking the allegations glossed over the rigged Aurora in THREE lines?

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.

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Originally by: Namingway

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Only a novice DM would start a campaign with no overall goal.

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Originally by: Alias11

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Originally by: Namingway

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Only a novice DM would start a campaign with no overall goal.

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maybe if you're playing a crappy railroaded 3.5 game

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Originally by: Jovoich

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Stop moaning u lazy sods, think u could make a better game?! if so stfu and do it.. send me an email when ur better than ccp and eve and I will come and play ur game. Until then help out by givin advice that can make the game better, rather than bin a bunch of old women.

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Originally by: Jovoich

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Stop moaning u lazy sods, think u could make a better game?! if so stfu and do it.. send me an email when ur better than ccp and eve and I will come and play ur game. Until then help out by givin advice that can make the game better, rather than bin a bunch of old women.

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Originally by: Jovoich

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GO READ THIS!!!!! U CAN HELP MAKE SURE THERE ARNT ANYMORE CHEATERS IN CCP!!!!!!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/arts/07eve.html?_r=4&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin

ffs people stop crying on about crap thats finished, they have given EVERYONE a chance to make sure that they arnt any more bad eggs. put ur name 4wards.. like with people who dont vote if rl, if ur not willing to give ur time to try and correct the 'problems' then u dont ave the right to cry about them

(yes I know the link dont work, try good old copy and paste or the link on the eve online home page)

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Originally by: Jovoich

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Stop moaning u lazy sods

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Originally by: Jovoich

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to all u lazy sods out there who havnt seen it

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Originally by: grayson 34

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Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.

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Originally by: Jovoich

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GO READ THIS!!!!! U CAN HELP MAKE SURE THERE ARNT ANYMORE CHEATERS IN CCP!!!!!!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/arts/07eve.html?_r=4&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin

ffs people stop crying on about crap thats finished, they have given EVERYONE a chance to make sure that they arnt any more bad eggs. put ur name 4wards.. like with people who dont vote if rl, if ur not willing to give ur time to try and correct the 'problems' then u dont ave the right to cry about them

(yes I know the link dont work, try good old copy and paste or the link on the eve online home page)

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Originally by: grayson 34

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Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.

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Originally by: magnus

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The Agent Missions are only getting upgraded to five. Six isnÆt being added. However, weÆre also adding in loyalty points, which wasnÆt in the game before

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Originally by: AegriSomnia

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Edited by: AegriSomnia on 11/06/2007 21:34:41

Originally by: Jovoich

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Stop moaning u lazy sods

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Originally by: Jovoich

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to all u lazy sods out there who havnt seen it

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Stop callin me a sod, you limey bastard!!

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Originally by: Tabouli

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Magnus: They refuse to admit that theyÆre losing to another alliance, and the only explanation that they can figure out is that those guys are cheating. Not just that theyÆre cheating, but that theyÆre cheating in cooperation with employees at CCP. That seems to be the only logical explanation that theyÆre coming up with.

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While the question probably put you in an awkward position, this is a really, really amazing thing to say. How can you possibly present yourself as a respectable business while making sweeping comments like this about your customers?

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Originally by: Sasakisan

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This fragment from the writings of the ancient Greek blogger Demochthitus may be of some relevance to this thread.

Originally by: Demochthitus and Zeus, King of the Gods

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Demochthitus: I reached Zeus, King of the Gods, on Mount Olympus for this interview. Zeus, why are the Trojans all upset?

Zeus: Well, they are upset about being losing the war, you know, getting pillaged and having their temples desecrated, that sort of deal. They blame their defeat on the Gods unfairly helping the Greeks. But we had deities helping both sides, you know, for research and testing purposes.

Demochthitus: Well, the Greeks did have the son of an immortal sea nymph fighting for them and Athena did guide the Trojan horse.

Zeus: Yea, that may have tipped the balance, but we'll never really know. Things get dicey when the Gods come down from Olympus and interfere with the affairs of mortals.

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Originally by: Jovoich

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Unless anyone is able to present any real evidence, from my knowledge there has only been one time that an employee of ccp has gone of the rails. Get goon to give us some evidence other than 'oh a gm joined one of our corps' and I would love to see it. Everyone here should get there name down on that lovely list to oversee ccp.

Everyone needs to understand alot of people have put alot of blood sweat and tears into this game im sure. and for us to slag it off coz of one or 2*****ups is wrong, ccp has presented us all with a way to make sure these don't happen again, so lets take them up on the offer and move on.

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Originally by: Vladimir Ilych

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Question: Under what circumstances would GoonSwarm accept that CCP is no longer helping BoB?

Discuss

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Originally by: Jovoich

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I dont think ccp did the right thing in deleting the posts, i dont like how bob offlined ur pos, i dont like how they killed an offline titan (the d2 one) but they werent cheating (as u said) but if everyone was willing to stop bob, as u have been. then bob would be stopped inside a week. CCP has seen there is mistrust in the eve community (which i believe they havn't helped 2 much) but they have presented a for the eve community to get there hands dirty and oversee how CCP. So the people who arnt happy need to put there names 4wards and go and see what ccp are doing. then report back to us all. But in the end theres no point in cry over stuff thats happened in the past. everyone need to look 4wards. see that ccp are trying to correct some of the mistakes that were made, and take them up on the offer.

and goonwarm, get eve bhind u in kill bob if u want, if ur not willing to do that, then u dont deserve to win. I will pledge 1 ibis to anyone who want one. u get enough of them and u can kill bob

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First, Titans have the Doomsday Device, which obliterates smaller ships if nothing is tanking for them. But many of the larger ships can protect the smaller ships from that sort of thing.

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Originally by: Bentula

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Edited by: Bentula on 11/06/2007 22:26:19
Tbh people need to shut up about the way ccp treats its customers. Some of us like the open way ccp handles us. We have huge fanfests where people drink beer with the devs and have open talks with them, thats also not normal buisness. You cant just take the good stuff that comes with this sort of associating and then complain about the bad.

Tbh if you dont like how this community works, and the devs are part of this community not just the paying customers, you still have the option to look for another company more fitting to your needs. But dont fricking try to change everything upside down just because it doesnt suit your taste or need for professionalism.

P.S. I heard blizzard is real professional with its customers, only talking through community reps, no chance getting in contact with devs at all, im pretty sure they dont even play their game. Sounds like your heaven tbh.

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Originally by: grayson 34

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Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.

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Originally by: Bentula

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Edited by: Bentula on 11/06/2007 22:26:19
Tbh people need to shut up about the way ccp treats its customers. Some of us like the open way ccp handles us. We have huge fanfests where people drink beer with the devs and have open talks with them, thats also not normal buisness. You cant just take the good stuff that comes with this sort of associating and then complain about the bad.

Tbh if you dont like how this community works, and the devs are part of this community not just the paying customers, you still have the option to look for another company more fitting to your needs. But dont fricking try to change everything upside down just because it doesnt suit your taste or need for professionalism.

P.S. I heard blizzard is real professional with its customers, only talking through community reps, no chance getting in contact with devs at all, im pretty sure they dont even play their game. Sounds like your heaven tbh.

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Originally by: AegriSomnia

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Edited by: AegriSomnia on 11/06/2007 21:34:41

Originally by: Jovoich

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Stop moaning u lazy sods

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Originally by: Jovoich

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to all u lazy sods out there who havnt seen it

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Stop callin me a sod, you limey bastard!!

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Originally by: Jovoich

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Ok if ur not happy with any of that.. ask ur self 1 question.

Why would ccp employees allow this to happen?

It isn't in there interest on a personal or company lvl to get all there customer ****ed off, to the point where the stop playin?!?!? CCP will go down the drain, employees will be out of jobs, and I will have to find something else to do with my time.

The anti BoB forces ****** up big time, they didn't use all the assets they had availible. And I know that as FACT. Just one note - D2 could have gone to YouWhat to get them to join in the fight against BoB, but instead they did nothing, until (from what looks apparent) BoB contracted YouWhat and got them on their side (by either promising them land or isk) D2 didn't get there all there residents to join in the fight, some of the resident didn't even get update (I know this as a fact since my brother was a FADE resident and he got no info at all) But in the end BoB will fall. Either due to internal rot or someone killing them head on.

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Originally by: grayson 34

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Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.

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Originally by: Black Omega

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The longer the forces who rally against us blame failure upon external influence, rather than addressing their own failings, the more 0.0 we will suck up.

Keep slinging mud and blaming deux ex machina for your inability to put together anything even resembling a co-ordinated resistance, because it just makes your defeat so much easier .. and sweeter.

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Originally by: grayson 34

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Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.

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Originally by: Black Omega

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The longer the forces who rally against us blame failure upon external influence, rather than addressing their own failings, the more 0.0 we will suck up.

Keep slinging mud and blaming deux ex machina for your inability to put together anything even resembling a co-ordinated resistance, because it just makes your defeat so much easier .. and sweeter.

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Originally by: Baccala

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Originally by: Black Omega

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The longer the forces who rally against us blame failure upon external influence, rather than addressing their own failings, the more 0.0 we will suck up.

Keep slinging mud and blaming deux ex machina for your inability to put together anything even resembling a co-ordinated resistance, because it just makes your defeat so much easier .. and sweeter.

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As does the fact you have exploited a market mechanic to get 2.2bil a day... which the devs have not deemed inappropaite... yet. Who can fight you when you have that much disposable income?

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Originally by: Baccala

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Originally by: Black Omega

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The longer the forces who rally against us blame failure upon external influence, rather than addressing their own failings, the more 0.0 we will suck up.

Keep slinging mud and blaming deux ex machina for your inability to put together anything even resembling a co-ordinated resistance, because it just makes your defeat so much easier .. and sweeter.

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As does the fact you have exploited a market mechanic to get 2.2bil a day... which the devs have not deemed inappropaite... yet. Who can fight you when you have that much disposable income?

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Originally by: Black Omega

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Well, I hate to sound like a bit of an "I told you so", but it isn't like I (well, er, the other me), didn't point out the inbalance between the profit margins on NPC trade goods and the introduction of freighters.
You don't need a titan and 3 freighters to make this kind of isk from daily NPC trade runs, it just makes those runs a bit easier - which seems to make sense with the investment involved.

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Originally by: Gilbert Drillerson

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Magnus: They refuse to admit that theyÆre losing to another alliance, and the only explanation that they can figure out is that those guys are cheating. Not just that theyÆre cheating, but that theyÆre cheating in cooperation with employees at CCP. That seems to be the only logical explanation that theyÆre coming up with.

Next time I am interviewed I think I will say something like this:

"CCP is deeply involved with BOB to the extent of personal friendships being exploited in game via Mesenger and other means. Occationally a player discovers CCP misconduct and is promptly banned from the game while CCP do their best to hide the facts and dont do anything to remove the damage caused to in game economics."

That statement is definetely more true than Magnus's and almost as provoking... It is however unfair and biased... and totally inappropriate if it was said about a customer.

Magnus, as a representative for a company with customers you simply cant say anything like that out loud while a jounalist is within earshot... first of all it is wrong and secondly it is abysmally stupid.

What you just did is going to cost me and a lot of other cooler heads a LOT of grief trying to explain to corp members that you as an individual is an idiot and dont represent CCP as a company... well done m8 (sarcasm)

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Originally by: violator2k5

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i for one feel that apart from the goons crap that was in that interview, it went very well and was very informative to potential new customers for EVE.
nice work magnus

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Originally by: AegriSomnia

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Write this down Magnus, and keep it near your desk, as it is a quote that defines the Goons, to me anyway, and maybe you can look at us with a different perspective.


The notion that a radical is one who hates his country is nanve and usually idiotic. He is, more likely, one who likes his country more than the rest of us, and is thus more disturbed than the rest of us when he sees it debauched. He is not a bad citizen turning to crime; he is a good citizen driven to despair. ~H. L. Mencken

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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If you don't like your alliance coming under flak for attacking CCP then perhaps it's time to move to one that simply plays the game.

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Originally by: Cringeley

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Does that mean you like receiving free BPOs from developers?

dbp

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Originally by: Cringeley

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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If you don't like your alliance coming under flak for attacking CCP then perhaps it's time to move to one that simply plays the game.

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Does that mean you like receiving free BPOs from developers?

dbp

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Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley

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Originally by: Cringeley

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Does that mean you like receiving free BPOs from developers?

dbp

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You must be the most backward GoonSwarm poster yet, posterboy for ycs. Why haven't you cancelled yet? GS is making itself look more ridiculous then ever before in this thread.

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Originally by: Cringeley

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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If you don't like your alliance coming under flak for attacking CCP then perhaps it's time to move to one that simply plays the game.

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Does that mean you like receiving free BPOs from developers?

dbp

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 12/06/2007 07:35:31

Originally by: Cringeley

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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If you don't like your alliance coming under flak for attacking CCP then perhaps it's time to move to one that simply plays the game.

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Does that mean you like receiving free BPOs from developers?

dbp

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blah blah blah, the more peeps like you in goonswarm that abuse others on here, the more diluted your message becomes and the more peeps see through your rubbish.

Continue your tirads by all means but I have a feeling you will be seeing less and less people actually worrying about what you say and simply laughing at you.

This is the internetz remember, serious business and all.

dbp

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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blah blah blah, the more peeps like you in goonswarm that abuse others on here, the more diluted your message becomes and the more peeps see through your rubbish.

Continue your tirads by all means but I have a feeling you will be seeing less and less people actually worrying about what you say and simply laughing at you.

This is the internetz remember, serious business and all.

dbp

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Originally by: Toffles

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Edited by: DB Preacher on 12/06/2007 07:35:31

Originally by: Cringeley

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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If you don't like your alliance coming under flak for attacking CCP then perhaps it's time to move to one that simply plays the game.

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Does that mean you like receiving free BPOs from developers?

dbp

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blah blah blah, the more peeps like you in goonswarm that abuse others on here, the more diluted your message becomes and the more peeps see through your rubbish.

Continue your tirads by all means but I have a feeling you will be seeing less and less people actually worrying about what you say and simply laughing at you.

This is the internetz remember, serious business and all.

dbp

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Yes I'm sure any day now people will start to see things the "BoB" way. I mean 4 years is a long time to play a game, you deserve the special treatment.

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Magnus: In the past, weÆve always seen an improvement with these upgrades. Previously, we would be right on the edge along with our growth, but due to our Finally, we never felt that we were a corporation trying to sell a game. CCP was just a company that wanted to create a game that they wanted to play with the gamers.

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Originally by: Haks'he Lirky

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As opposed to the "goon" way?

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Originally by: Jamie Hara

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Originally by: Patch86

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Originally by: Jamie Hara

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Edited by: Jamie Hara on 11/06/2007 15:00:57
Please explain this statement:

Magnus: First, Titans have the Doomsday Device, which obliterates smaller ships if nothing is tanking for them. But many of the larger ships can protect the smaller ships from that sort of thing.

"But many of the larger ships can protect the smaller ships from that sort of thing."


Someone please explain how larger ships can protect the smaller ships from a Doomsday Device.

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God knows. Maybe he was talking about remote repping and such? Doesn't make much sense, anyway, seeing as it's an instant HP hit, not a damage-over-time thing.

Whatever it is, it's a tactic that I've not heard of.

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Wouldn't smaller ships die instantly from a Doomsday Device?

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Originally by: Lee Bian

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Originally by: Haks'he Lirky

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As opposed to the "goon" way?

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yeah wanting to have fun playing a game without bias or conflict of interest from the developers sure is stupid

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Originally by: Toffles

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Yes I'm sure any day now people will start to see things the "BoB" way. I mean 4 years is a long time to play a game, you deserve the special treatment.

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Originally by: Lee Bian

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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blah blah blah, the more peeps like you in goonswarm that abuse others on here, the more diluted your message becomes and the more peeps see through your rubbish.

Continue your tirads by all means but I have a feeling you will be seeing less and less people actually worrying about what you say and simply laughing at you.

This is the internetz remember, serious business and all.

dbp

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i would appreciate it if you quit calling people a dead beat *****, thanks

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Originally by: Haks'he Lirky

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yeb it sure is stupid to assume stuff with circumstancial evidence supported with a singular incident,

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im smiling inside knowing that you as a member of goonswarm appreciates how stupid it indeed is.

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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Which post were you reading?



dbp

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Originally by: Lee Bian

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i would appreciate it if you quit calling people a dead beat *****, thanks

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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It's amazing, I wonder how long it took him to come up with that. My sides are splitting with merriment.

No really they are.

lol?

dbp

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Originally by: Lee Bian

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Originally by: DB Preacher

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It's amazing, I wonder how long it took him to come up with that. My sides are splitting with merriment.

No really they are.

lol?

dbp

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i admit it's almost as stupid as having your nick visible three times each post

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Originally by: Lee Bian

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Edited by: Lee Bian on 12/06/2007 08:22:55

Originally by: Haks'he Lirky

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yeb it sure is stupid to assume stuff with circumstancial evidence supported with a singular incident,

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so dianabolic admitting msn contact with developers does not scream parity and/or conflict of interest to you or will you just ignore that part

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im smiling inside knowing that you as a member of goonswarm appreciates how stupid it indeed is.

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much like your posting

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