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Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.06.12 00:37:00 - [61] Actual answer: Put more NPC Stations in 0.0. One of the big limiting factors to lowsec players playing in 0.0 is the time commitment it takes to operate in 0.0. Being able to dock is good. Have Agents in those same stations, so that mission runners will want to go there. Make more entry points into 0.0, so it is not so trivially easy to lock down chokepoints and obstruct all traffic. Right now key entry points are frequently owned for huge chunks of time by particular entities. If you want pirates to roam around in the nearby space, they need to able to get in and out. More connectivity in 0.0. Once again, making it easy to box people up and lock them somewhere makes pirates unhappy and not want to play in that area. Highsec has lots of systems and paths to move around in, but 0.0 has a tendency to be only pipes. Open it up a bit. Makes life more interesting.
Pilok Shitfly Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.12 10:58:00 - [62] Remove local and pirating in 0.0 could be fun. Now it's just a waste of time, you enter a system, peeps see you and safespot.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:04:00 - [63] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Pirates are constantly posting with ideas on how to get the majority of the EVE player population out of high-sec and into low-sec. As one of these "normal" players, its time we fight back with ideas on how to get pirates out of low-sec and into 0.0 where the alliances can destroy them with the rest of the riff-raff. Suggestions? You cant. Pirates operate where their prey live. If they went out to 0.0 they become the prey. ROSHAN LONGSHOT 03-06-2003 18-06-2007. CCP THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD FOUR YEARS. YOU DONE WELL. BUT ATLAST ALL THINGS MUST COME TO AN END, AND FOR ME ITS TIME TO LEAVE EVE. CLEAR SKIES AND SMOOTH JETS
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:10:00 - [64] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Pirates are constantly posting with ideas on how to get the majority of the EVE player population out of high-sec and into low-sec. As one of these "normal" players, its time we fight back with ideas on how to get pirates out of low-sec and into 0.0 where the alliances can destroy them with the rest of the riff-raff. Suggestions? I am sorry but I have been pirating in 0.0 for 2 years now, and even entities like MC can't do anything about it...
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:11:00 - [65] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 11/06/2007 18:19:44 Pirates prey on the weak. Just like I preyed on your faction fitted nighthawk, you just putyourself to "weak" position.
doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:16:00 - [66] Edited by: doctorstupid2 on 12/06/2007 11:17:13 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Pirates are constantly posting with ideas on how to get the majority of the EVE player population out of high-sec and into low-sec. As one of these "normal" players, its time we fight back with ideas on how to get pirates out of low-sec and into 0.0 where the alliances can destroy them with the rest of the riff-raff. Suggestions? For fear of feeding a troll, I live in 0.0, i fight alliance level wars every day and shoot anything I can lock onto, and it is good. I also like to rat my sec status up to about 1.0, then come on a little vacation in low sec, destroying all I see and salting the earth, and then returning to 0.0. You'll find a very large portion of the pirates you rant about near daily are actually 0.0 players in one way or another that find the cheap thrills in low sec worth taking little side trips for. Hell, I made more isk in low sec in one week than a month of 0.0, to the tune of 750mil for a handful of kills. Funds my HAC habbit nicely.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:38:00 - [67] Originally by: Zhett Haukes Edited by: Zhett Haukes on 11/06/2007 22:01:27 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Zhett Haukes Edited by: Zhett Haukes on 11/06/2007 21:45:39 Originally by: Major Stormer pirates are EVE, Fixed for you. Seriously, without piracy, what is the point of a lot of the game? Victims and pirates alike. To make more and more money until you get bored, and leave. Like all other games out there. I feel for you if that is all you get out of the game, maybe it isn't for you. What's so wrong with it? What if your goal is to have 100 POS's up, and then bail? Or to set foot in every single system? Or to watch each and every ship type in the game get blown up? From the driver's seat? Believe it or not, the game's not all about killmails, alliance holdings, or wins-v-losses.
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:41:00 - [68] add more npc stations to 0.0 and the pirates will come. ever since snigg moved to 0.0 we've only based out of npc stations, no poses or outpost crap. also adding more connections between npc space and claimable space will increase the numbers of pirates. we used to have to go 20 or 30 jumps sometimes to an alliance's home system in our fleets to get a good fight.
Lady Abaris kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:53:00 - [69] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Pirates are constantly posting with ideas on how to get the majority of the EVE player population out of high-sec and into low-sec. As one of these "normal" players, its time we fight back with ideas on how to get pirates out of low-sec and into 0.0 where the alliances can destroy them with the rest of the riff-raff. Suggestions? Don't fightback with ideas try using guns. Originally by: Princess Jodi Pirates are not honorable PVP'rs looking for a fight - they are ganking scumbuckets who just want easy kills. As long as they get easy kills in low-sec space, they will stay there. So: 1.> 0.0 space is protected by Alliances, therefore Pirates don't wanna go there. 2.> Empire has Concord, which will kill Pirates. Therefore: 3.> Pirates can exist only in low-sec space. If you don't want Pirates around, you've gotta police the low-sec space yourself. Whap them in the head with a stick a few times, and even the dumbest of them will learn to go somewhere else. Spot on:- you cannot be an outlaw in lawless space. To the OP get some friends and go kick the "riff-raff" out of the bit of low sec you want yourself. If you want a piece of low sec you will need to fight for it. You might even find you have fun doing it.
Drizit Amarr Lonely out here Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.12 12:01:00 - [70] Edited by: Drizit on 12/06/2007 11:59:52 Originally by: Patch86 The "how do we get people in to low-sec?" question is an entirely different question. The point of it is that there is nothing in low-sec to make it more desirable than high-sec or 0.0. Either you're a high-sec person, or you're a 0.0 person. No-one wants to live in low-sec, because theres no real point. I have got to agree. There are those who prefer highsec for safety. Those who want lots of pew pew and couldn't give a rats about safety go to 0.0. The main problem wiht lowsec, is the rewards don't justify the risk. There is a lot less risk in 0.0 and highsec than there is in lowsec but the rewards of lowsec stink by comparison. If CCP ever wondered why lowsec was so unappealing, that's the simple answer. Moving some of the higher agents from highsec to lowsec won't help either, it just means less players will do missions so it wouldn't be much more than just a nerf to the gameplay. Those agent rewards suck big time and increasing the danger to do them will turn people away from them. Mining is very poor. You have two choices, ninja mine and lose time warping to and from the station or have a couple of corpmates to run defence which costs isk. Either way, the rewards from mining are greatly reduced and with a much bigger risk, few are prepared to do it. --
Cpt Branko	Posted - 2007.06.12 12:12:00 - [71] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 12/06/2007 12:12:34 Put better rats and better asteroids in low-sec, that's the damn answer to low-sec problems. Right now, it's not worth it except for pew-pew. I only live there because I hate the high-sec mission grind. Regarding pirates, pirates are a vital part of the game. Making low sec high sec, what the OP suggests, just nerfs them further, and they don't have it easy. The OP just wants to be able to run the L5s in low-sec unmolested. And to those who think pirates pew-pew and dock, get serious. You can't do that, unless you really like not being able to dock while the guns are shooting at you. No, you safespot. What is something you should do when you're in low-sec, too. And some other things for the systems you frequent, and you'll be nearly completely safe as long as you keep your eyes open and brain alert. Furthermore, I don't really get the point of complaining - it's already practically 99.9% safe to take a frig to lowsec, since the chances of a frig being caught in a camp (no bubbles, remember) is preety much minimal. The significant risk is taking a BC/BS there. Low-sec just doesn't have enough rewards to make it worth it at the moment. If you want to stop pirates in the low-sec systems you frequent, use guns and numbers, not forum trolling.
Gorthauran	Posted - 2007.06.12 12:49:00 - [72] Bring 0.0 up to 0.5...goodbye low sec o/
William Alex Viscosity Dark Synergy	Posted - 2007.06.12 15:41:00 - [73] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 11/06/2007 18:19:44 Pirates prey on the weak. Just like I preyed on your faction fitted nighthawk, you just putyourself to "weak" position. I laugh out louded =D Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
Rafein	Posted - 2007.06.12 15:50:00 - [74] get their targets out into 0.0. Problem solved
Rabbitual Ferrier	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:22:00 - [75] By killing them over and over and over until they get bored - ie ganking any pirates who undock. Of course that would probably result in you becoming the 'new pirates' of low sec space.... We need pirates, they make Low Sec, well low sec. Those spawny Rats don't worry me, half as much as the Yarr Brigade.
William Alex Viscosity Dark Synergy	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:31:00 - [76] Yeah, the issue isn't the fault of the players. Pirates are just using the system to gain entertainment, same as mission runners, same as 0.0 empire builders. It's the fault that the system was designed in such a wierd way. The devs need to have a good look at the issue, and as long as they don't force people but rather make a good enticement for going to low-sec then we'll see how it goes. One huge change that's coming is the lv5 missions so lets see how that plays out. I THINK that they should also consider beefing up the sentrys. Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
Matt Emery	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:43:00 - [77] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 I would agree it seems to me that there are loads of pirates begging CCP to push empire players into low sec for them to have easy targets all day long, I think the real answer is pushing pirates out to 0.0 atleast in some way. 1( make sec hits count and mean something. No high sec or low sec station should let you dock once you are below -4 status, and you should get bigger sec hits for blowing up ships. This way priates would atleast need to travel to 0.0 to find a station, and low sec will be more dangerous for them as thay can no longer insta dock. 2) remove penalty of taking sec hit when killing pirates. Anyone with -2 or worse = no sec hit when killed in low sec. thats the bggist load of rubbish ive ever hurd, ppl in aliances who are in 0.0 are doomed for enteral warfair when we stay there, u saying that after we kill 200 ppl whilst defending are home, we cant dock in any orther stations than the ones we have put down, and also the pirates wont come in 0.0 becase if they even put down a singel pos, as soon as it's found there would be 25 caps beeting it up... 0.0 is where the aliances have are game, and if pirates come they are soon stamped out! besides do u really want to remove such a essential part of the game, pirates make eve great, without them the carebear infested lands would grow to large! and also on your 1st point, ppl are greedy and thats why the stations let them dock, so when they rep there ship they get cash! (i know they are npcs but thats the logic)
Aleranie	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:44:00 - [78] Its not so much that pirates can't hold 0.0 space... It is that the kind of people inclined to go around foaming at the mouth and yarring people to death, are not usually the kind of guys that will tolerate the mindless effort of fueling pos. Also, running ops on the scale required to hold a decent amount of space can be very aggravating and sometimes unrewarding, even thankless. Much easier to spend their time running like wolves and splattering people across the stars.
Mr Cleann	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:01:00 - [79] You can try praying really hard. maybe the eve god will smile apon you
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.12 21:39:00 - [80] Something must be done with these pirates, preferably involving fire and alot of angst.
dragonssbane Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.06.12 21:45:00 - [81] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Something must be done with these pirates, preferably involving fire and alot of angst. I know a few folk that say things just like that.....hmm
Kirika Misono War by Proxy	Posted - 2007.06.12 22:36:00 - [82] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Major Stormer ok, I can put up with a lot of what you say....but...how did you work that out? I don't remember the Crown ever pardoning the Americas for treason, do you? I don't recall the Americans pardoning any Russian programmers who violated the DMCA and were arrested on entry to the US, either... Is it just me, or did INFOD jump all over this subject as fast as possible? Might this knee jerk reaction have something to do with the fact that most alliances now greet the appearance of INFOD members in their territory with guns blazing and carrier fleets? Originally by: Clementina If you bug report it, you get ignored. If you post about it on the forums, you get banned. If you exploit it, you get rich.
falcinious	Posted - 2007.06.12 22:43:00 - [83] I dont have a problem with pirates being in low sec. Thats what they do to have fun. I have fun by staying up in empire doing missions and mining. When I do go through low sec it gives me great joy when they dont catch me :).
Hexman The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.06.13 02:20:00 - [84] Originally by: Derovius Vaden rabble rabble rabble Suggestions? So I take it you got p00ned by a pirate, huh? Well, here's a way to get them into 0.0:Go do whatever you were doing in low sec to 0.0! yarr!
violator2k5 Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.13 04:33:00 - [85] Originally by: Tsanse Kinske How can we get more 0.0 residents back to Jita, that's what I want to know. for the love of god no, that place is to over populated as it is ---------------------------- BOB 4 LIFE NOT JUST 4 A DAY ----------------------------
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.06.13 06:14:00 - [86] Edited by: Nanobotter Mk2 on 13/06/2007 06:14:01 Quote: I dont have a problem with pirates being in low sec. Thats what they do to have fun. I have fun by staying up in empire doing missions and mining. When I do go through low sec it gives me great joy when they dont catch me :). Exactly the problem is they are not okay with you living in empire they want CCP to force you out to be a sheep for their slaughter, so the OP suggested maybe pirates need to be forced out to 0.0 to be the sheep for alliance blob and gate camp slaughter.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.14 19:11:00 - [87] It would be much better if we did it in this way: How can we get carebears out of empire and into low sec? Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
dragonssbane Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.06.14 19:21:00 - [88] Originally by: NightmareX It would be much better if we did it in this way: How can we get carebears out of empire and into low sec? Or how about remove high sec all together....the donut shop is closed...Concord quits!
Killwing Minmatar Alcohol Fueled Brutality X-PACT	Posted - 2007.06.14 20:06:00 - [89] Meh,low sec pirates are'nt the problem,if the odds are'nt 50 to 1 atleast.I'm a pirate,if you come into low sec,your gonna get shot at,more often than not.What I think the OP is getting at is that he,wants to beable to run missions in low sec space and still be as safe as he would be in Jita imo. ________________________________ The public will more easly fall for a big lie,than for a small one .
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.18 14:08:00 - [90] Edited by: NightmareX on 18/06/2007 14:07:20 Originally by: dragonssbane Originally by: NightmareX It would be much better if we did it in this way: How can we get carebears out of empire and into low sec? Or how about remove high sec all together....the donut shop is closed...Concord quits! If you have been playing EVE for some few years, then you probably know that CCP had an event on the test server few years ago, they did make ALL systems in EVE to 0.0 space lol. OMG that was so awesome. But to bad it was only on sisi. It would be cool if that had been on TQ. Everyone went nuts on sisi that day. BRING THAT TO TQ NOW!11111ONEONEONEELVEN. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred

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