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Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.11 17:02:00 - [1] Pirates are constantly posting with ideas on how to get the majority of the EVE player population out of high-sec and into low-sec. As one of these "normal" players, its time we fight back with ideas on how to get pirates out of low-sec and into 0.0 where the alliances can destroy them with the rest of the riff-raff. Suggestions?
Vitrael Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.06.11 17:09:00 - [2] Pirate? Yes. Normal player? Yes. Sorry, I'm not going anywhere. ----------
Rooker Lysian Enterprises United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2007.06.11 17:29:00 - [3] There are pirates in 0.0. Some of the most fun fights I had out there were with pirate corps that hopped on the bandwagon and flew south. This one, in particular... <3 Snigg -- SAVE EANM FROM THE NERFBAT!
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.11 17:30:00 - [4] Why bother? Let them live where they live and us where we live. Its not like something HAS to be done to "fix" LowSec Sandbox, remember? Leave it that way. <-----------> Factional Warfare: The LowSec wars which never happened.
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.11 17:31:00 - [5] Edited by: Major Stormer on 11/06/2007 17:29:57 You are just a horrible little troll. You said yourself you never go to low sec, how about you shut your ******* little gob and keep your trap out of chat about places where you never visit! --------- Its just a game. Get over yourselfs. www.eve-tribune.com Dont get too excited now.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.06.11 17:32:00 - [6] Originally by: Major Stormer Edited by: Major Stormer on 11/06/2007 17:29:57 You are just a horrible little troll. You said yourself you never go to low sec, how about you shut your ***** little gob and keep your trap out of chat about places where you never visit! Had a bad day? --- Originally by:** CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.06.11 17:35:00 - [7] I would agree it seems to me that there are loads of pirates begging CCP to push empire players into low sec for them to have easy targets all day long, I think the real answer is pushing pirates out to 0.0 atleast in some way. 1( make sec hits count and mean something. No high sec or low sec station should let you dock once you are below -4 status, and you should get bigger sec hits for blowing up ships. This way priates would atleast need to travel to 0.0 to find a station, and low sec will be more dangerous for them as thay can no longer insta dock. 2) remove penalty of taking sec hit when killing pirates. Anyone with -2 or worse = no sec hit when killed in low sec.
Ryas Nia Minmatar Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.06.11 17:46:00 - [8] /me wants an ignore user option on the forums :( Recruiting Terrorists
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.11 17:48:00 - [9] Pirates already are in 0.0. Just not every single pirate. Whats your point? --------
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.06.11 17:59:00 - [10] Quote: Pirates already are in 0.0. Just not every single pirate. Whats your point? Do you read? I think his point was that more pirates should go there then. I mean there are empire pve players in low sec, but pirates keep asking for more to be forced out what is their point.... there are plenty of corps in 0.0 foir pirates to pirate so if they don;t like low sec goto 0.0 seems to be the point, instead of asking for more ducks to be put in the barrel....
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.06.11 18:16:00 - [11] How can we get more 0.0 residents back to Jita, that's what I want to know. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.11 18:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Major Stormer Edited by: Major Stormer on 11/06/2007 17:29:57 You are just a horrible little troll. You said yourself you never go to low sec, how about you shut your ******* little gob and keep your trap out of chat about places where you never visit! Had a bad day? in your face angry man.
Stratocus	Posted - 2007.06.11 18:17:00 - [13] Edited by: Stratocus on 11/06/2007 18:16:09 ok how about this, make security status matter in low sec. have concord run periodic patrols into low sec, once every day or so, and let concord attack anyone with -5.0. all the risk in low sec is shouldered by the new players trying move between high and low sec. give the gate campers something to worry about.
Serret Nevets Puppets on Steroids	Posted - 2007.06.11 18:18:00 - [14] Edited by: Serret Nevets on 11/06/2007 18:18:44 Hey Mensa man, just to clarify... low sec= low security What happened, did a big bad bully blow up your Bantam over the weekend in an area you knew you shouldn't go to cause you can't defend yourself? get over yourself Spanking or being spanked... it's up to you.
Ferocious FeAr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.11 18:20:00 - [15] Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 11/06/2007 18:19:44 Pirates prey on the weak. Don't hate me, learn to love me
Douger Minmatar Luddites Incorporated	Posted - 2007.06.11 18:21:00 - [16] Originally by: Major Stormer Edited by: Major Stormer on 11/06/2007 17:29:57 You are just a horrible little troll. You said yourself you never go to low sec, how about you shut your ****** little gob and keep your trap out of chat about places where you never visit! Just a thought... There are several good decaffinated brands on the market... Douger -Douger To boldly learn what no man has learned before!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.11 18:21:00 - [17] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 Quote: Pirates already are in 0.0. Just not every single pirate. Whats your point? Do you read? I think his point was that more pirates should go there then. I mean there are empire pve players in low sec, but pirates keep asking for more to be forced out what is their point.... there are plenty of corps in 0.0 foir pirates to pirate so if they don;t like low sec goto 0.0 seems to be the point, instead of asking for more ducks to be put in the barrel.... I read. Do you? He said "How do we get pirates out of low-sec and in to 0.0?". The answer is- there already are pirates in 0.0. The biggest and most powerful pirate groups are 0.0 groups, not low-sec. If what he really meant is "How do we get all the pirates out of low sec?", then the answer is "put in CONCORD". Because having piracy is part and parcel of it being low-security. The "how do we get people in to low-sec?" question is an entirely different question. The point of it is that there is nothing in low-sec to make it more desirable than high-sec or 0.0. Either you're a high-sec person, or you're a 0.0 person. No-one wants to live in low-sec, because theres no real point. The OP's question is nonsensical. The question he is attempting (poorly) to lampoon actually is a question with some discursive merit. --------
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.11 18:22:00 - [18] Originally by: Serret Nevets Hey Mensa man, just to clarify... low sec= low security What happened, did a big bad bully blow up your Bantam over the weekend in an area you knew you should go to cause you can't defend yourself? I'll assume you're referring to me; I know what low-sec means, it does not mean, however, no-sec. Pirates are not being punished for being -10 flying around empire space, even if said empire space is on the outer fringes. It would be like Blue-Beard the pirate anchoring just outside Port Royale the day after he sunk some English Gallions. He's get blown out of the water.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2007.06.11 18:25:00 - [19] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 11/06/2007 18:19:44 Pirates prey on the weak. OMG, is that Ron Jeremy dressed as Mario in your sig? You scare me! (Plus I've now got that Mario "Itsa me, Mario" phrase from the N64 game going around and around in my head. Aaaargh!)
Baccala	Posted - 2007.06.11 18:27:00 - [20] Pirates can't beat alliances, they don't have space or resources to stay in 0.0, so they sit on the edge and dec wars, gank those going into 0.0... always having that safe jump back to low sec. It's the law of the pirate... the safest and laziest tactics to grief your opponent. Low sec is full of scraps... it stinks there, it reaks of rat droppings that aren't worth your time and effort. Low sec rewards suck for nearly being at the same risk of 0.0. Let the pirates own it... cuz no one else wants it.
MrTripps Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.11 18:30:00 - [21] Yeah, cause low sec is already so over crowded. Pirates do go to 0.0 to get ISK and to raise the sec status so they can get back into empire and lower it again. Wash, rinse, repeat. "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell
Shiner BockBeer Go Go Gadget ForumPostingAlt	Posted - 2007.06.11 18:46:00 - [22] More important question to OP: Why should we?
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.11 18:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Stratocus Edited by: Stratocus on 11/06/2007 18:16:09 ok how about this, make security status matter in low sec. have concord run periodic patrols into low sec, once every day or so, and let concord attack anyone with -5.0. all the risk in low sec is shouldered by the new players trying move between high and low sec. give the gate campers something to worry about. I like this one. :) Conversely, have CONCORD come to the aid of players with +2.0 or better sec status, no matter what system they're in.
Destiny Calling Amarr Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.11 18:57:00 - [24] I'm a pirate not even candy mountain could tempt me out of low sec. I like being there, and like blinking thats right I need a new sig
Selene Fenestre Lemuria Prospecting	Posted - 2007.06.11 19:00:00 - [25] Edited by: Selene Fenestre on 11/06/2007 19:00:48 Edited by: Selene Fenestre on 11/06/2007 19:00:01 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Pirates are not being punished for being -10 flying around empire space, even if said empire space is on the outer fringes. I suspect its actually a lot harder than you realise being -10 in Empire. Edit: Having comma issues today :-/
Lucy Skylancer	Posted - 2007.06.11 19:16:00 - [26] Edited by: Lucy Skylancer on 11/06/2007 19:21:38 Low-sec: Originally by: Haffrage Low security space is exactly that - low security. It's space that the NPC empires claim ownership to, but cannot protect and enforce laws.? That's the whole idea about it. The risk to be attacked by another player is supposed to be there and a lot higher than in high-sec. If players want protection in low-sec, they have to care about that themselves. Because high sec is easy mode, the lvl.5 missions won't also be there, but in low-sec. People are supposed to go out to low sec. to interact more with other players, cooperate more, get away from the mindless grind. ( The server doesn't care that there are e.g. 5 people in a low sec system and 80 people in a high-sec system, as long as numbers aren't in the hundreds. Load-balancing. CCP puts more low-sec systems on one node than high-sec systems, so that high-sec gets more CPU power and that's it. So from a technical view it doesn't matter much, were you are, as long as you don't blob up in a system like in Jita or like in some 0.0 battles. ) People want to get more players into lowsec, because of it's different and more challenging gameplay. Extreme carebears say that they want that challenging gameplay removed, before they go into low sec., so I'd say they completely miss the point.
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.11 19:25:00 - [27] Pirates are not honorable PVP'rs looking for a fight - they are ganking scumbuckets who just want easy kills. As long as they get easy kills in low-sec space, they will stay there. So: 1.> 0.0 space is protected by Alliances, therefore Pirates don't wanna go there. 2.> Empire has Concord, which will kill Pirates. Therefore: 3.> Pirates can exist only in low-sec space. If you don't want Pirates around, you've gotta police the low-sec space yourself. Whap them in the head with a stick a few times, and even the dumbest of them will learn to go somewhere else.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.11 19:35:00 - [28] Originally by: Baccala Pirates can't beat alliances, they don't have space or resources to stay in 0.0, so they sit on the edge and dec wars, gank those going into 0.0... always having that safe jump back to low sec. Pirates can't beat alliances? LOL, then you haven't seen our fights in Geminate against Roadkill and Smash alliance. But we aren't fighting to take over any spaces, we are only fighting to have fun and to kill all day long Tbh, INFOD is big enough to be able to fight against whatever alliance in EVE. Nothing scares us Normally we have some gangs going in low sec, but we are mostly fighting in 0.0 space now. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Ferocious FeAr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.11 19:47:00 - [29] Originally by: Fink Angel Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 11/06/2007 18:19:44 Pirates prey on the weak. OMG, is that Ron Jeremy dressed as Mario in your sig? You scare me! (Plus I've now got that Mario "Itsa me, Mario" phrase from the N64 game going around and around in my head. Aaaargh!) Sweet, my job is done! Don't hate me, learn to love me
Slayton Ford Vindicate and Deliverance ASGARDIAN EMPIRE	Posted - 2007.06.11 19:53:00 - [30] Originally by: NightmareX Tbh, INFOD is big enough to be able to fight against whatever alliance in EVE. Nothing scares us I really wonder how true this is as I see INFOD harrasing Smash/RK in the north rather then BoB in the south. This holds true to many pirate corps/alliances. How many pirate corps/alliances raid Delve/Querious/Fountain rather then Geminate/Scalding Pass/Catch? --------------- This sig has been censored in fear of recieving the ban hammer...
Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.11 19:55:00 - [31] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Originally by: Fink Angel Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 11/06/2007 18:19:44 Pirates prey on the weak. OMG, is that Ron Jeremy dressed as Mario in your sig? You scare me! (Plus I've now got that Mario "Itsa me, Mario" phrase from the N64 game going around and around in my head. Aaaargh!) Sweet, my job is done! Always liked MC sigs.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.11 19:59:00 - [32] Originally by: Slayton Ford Originally by: NightmareX Tbh, INFOD is big enough to be able to fight against whatever alliance in EVE. Nothing scares us I really wonder how true this is as I see INFOD harrasing Smash/RK in the north rather then BoB in the south. This holds true to many pirate corps/alliances. How many pirate corps/alliances raid Delve/Querious/Fountain rather then Geminate/Scalding Pass/Catch? Hehe, i can't say now if we will go down to Delve or the area around there, but if we do, then you better be ready for a fight, and i mean ready for a very good fight. We are changing regions sometimes, so we might end up in a region looong long way from where we are now. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:03:00 - [33] Edited by: Aindrias on 11/06/2007 20:03:24 Originally by: Selene Fenestre Edited by: Selene Fenestre on 11/06/2007 19:00:48 Edited by: Selene Fenestre on 11/06/2007 19:00:01 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Pirates are not being punished for being -10 flying around empire space, even if said empire space is on the outer fringes. I suspect its actually a lot harder than you realise being -10 in Empire. Edit: Having comma issues today :-/ So is this guy Linkage Anyways... My issues with pirates are that they have little to lose except ships/isk.. which is so abundant it's not even funny. "OOoooOOooo.. I'm a Piwat in low sec! Pew Pew!.. OHmUhGoD a Big Force! I can't fight that! I need to warp to the nearest Starbase and I'll be safe!" Eh.. no answers, just an observation See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:11:00 - [34] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Major Stormer Edited by: Major Stormer on 11/06/2007 17:29:57 You are just a horrible little troll. You said yourself you never go to low sec, how about you shut your ***** little gob and keep your trap out of chat about places where you never visit! Had a bad day? yes....sorry for my above post, but indeed I have had a **TY day in RL heh. --------- Its just a game. Get over yourselfs. www.eve-tribune.com Dont get too excited now.
Sereifex Daku	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:20:00 - [35] I find the OP's question kind of weird as I believe that piracy can not exist in 0.0 as 0.0 is lawless. Whenever I see a player break the rules of a 0.0 alliance, I simply regard that as guerilla warfare.
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:21:00 - [36] Quote: My issues with pirates are that they have little to lose except ships/isk.. which is so abundant it's not even funny. "OOoooOOooo.. I'm a Piwat in low sec! Pew Pew!.. OHmUhGoD a Big Force! I can't fight that! I need to warp to the nearest Starbase and I'll be safe!" Eh.. no answers, just an observation I personally am nowhere near being rich. May I ask you, would you stick around when being ganked pointlessly? Commen sense dude, use it. --------- Its just a game. Get over yourselfs. www.eve-tribune.com Dont get too excited now.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:22:00 - [37] Originally by: Sereifex Daku I find the OP's question kind of weird as I believe that piracy can not exist in 0.0 as 0.0 is lawless. Whenever I see a player break the rules of a 0.0 alliance, I simply regard that as guerilla warfare. Thats why pirates should be in 0.0, its lawless; real pirates hid beyond the reach of the local Empire. They didn't hide on the island next door and shout "yarr" at the ships that passed too close.
Malcore Trisus Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:25:00 - [38] Originally by: Slayton Ford Originally by: NightmareX Tbh, INFOD is big enough to be able to fight against whatever alliance in EVE. Nothing scares us I really wonder how true this is as I see INFOD harrasing Smash/RK in the north rather then BoB in the south. This holds true to many pirate corps/alliances. How many pirate corps/alliances raid Delve/Querious/Fountain rather then Geminate/Scalding Pass/Catch? After the fall of LV, S******dly (Pandemic Legion) operated in Delve for other a month before campaigning in Fountain for two months.
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:28:00 - [39] Actually, there are more LAW in 0.0 than in empire... Its just players enforcing it, not Concordooken It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:38:00 - [40] Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: My issues with pirates are that they have little to lose except ships/isk.. which is so abundant it's not even funny. "OOoooOOooo.. I'm a Piwat in low sec! Pew Pew!.. OHmUhGoD a Big Force! I can't fight that! I need to warp to the nearest Starbase and I'll be safe!" Eh.. no answers, just an observation I personally am nowhere near being rich. May I ask you, would you stick around when being ganked pointlessly? Commen sense dude, use it. I don't stick around either, but you miss the point, I should have been more clear... Pirate in low sec warps to station to avoid big force.. the getting away isn't the issue. It's the "Station" part that's the issue. We can't get you there. If I'm in my home system and I run back to my POS because I'm getting attacked by a superior force (broad hypothetical situation).. it's different bcause my POS can be destroyed and that's that. Maybe you don't like POS war or don't have the capability to do it, but that's not the games fault, it's the pirate not wanting to go that far. Pirates generally have no base of operations that we can destroy or hunt down and losing a ship means nothing. Oh and on being rich... I've heard of too many using a mining alts to just make oodles of money and give it to their main pirate character. Also, with insurance the way it is, you rarely have expend much money to get your ship back to order and with hauler ganking (no the empire suicide, also I have no problem with ganking in general in low/no sec) you should/would make a tidy sum. See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.11 21:16:00 - [41] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Sereifex Daku I find the OP's question kind of weird as I believe that piracy can not exist in 0.0 as 0.0 is lawless. Whenever I see a player break the rules of a 0.0 alliance, I simply regard that as guerilla warfare. Thats why pirates should be in 0.0, its lawless; real pirates hid beyond the reach of the local Empire. They didn't hide on the island next door and shout "yarr" at the ships that passed too close. How can you be a criminal in a place with no laws? Not that I'm saying that pirates shouldn't be in 0.0 or anything. All I'm saying is that RL historic pirates operated well in to nationally claimed waters, because thats where the money was. The Caribbean for example was pretty much all claimed by someone or other, and pirates pottered around there at their leisure. Its like trying to claim you don't get muggers in big cities where law is enforced, only out in Antarctica where there is no law. --------
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.11 21:20:00 - [42] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Sereifex Daku I find the OP's question kind of weird as I believe that piracy can not exist in 0.0 as 0.0 is lawless. Whenever I see a player break the rules of a 0.0 alliance, I simply regard that as guerilla warfare. Thats why pirates should be in 0.0, its lawless; real pirates hid beyond the reach of the local Empire. They didn't hide on the island next door and shout "yarr" at the ships that passed too close. How can you be a criminal in a place with no laws? Not that I'm saying that pirates shouldn't be in 0.0 or anything. All I'm saying is that RL historic pirates operated well in to nationally claimed waters, because thats where the money was. The Caribbean for example was pretty much all claimed by someone or other, and pirates pottered around there at their leisure. Its like trying to claim you don't get muggers in big cities where law is enforced, only out in Antarctica where there is no law. The exact same way that a Spanish court can find US CIA agents guilty for crimes, even while they still live in the US. Technically speaking, I'm sure that Americans could be considered traitors to the Crown if they entered the UK. Though, it would not bode well for international relations if the Britons tried to enforce this.
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.11 21:23:00 - [43] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Sereifex Daku I find the OP's question kind of weird as I believe that piracy can not exist in 0.0 as 0.0 is lawless. Whenever I see a player break the rules of a 0.0 alliance, I simply regard that as guerilla warfare. Thats why pirates should be in 0.0, its lawless; real pirates hid beyond the reach of the local Empire. They didn't hide on the island next door and shout "yarr" at the ships that passed too close. How can you be a criminal in a place with no laws? Not that I'm saying that pirates shouldn't be in 0.0 or anything. All I'm saying is that RL historic pirates operated well in to nationally claimed waters, because thats where the money was. The Caribbean for example was pretty much all claimed by someone or other, and pirates pottered around there at their leisure. Its like trying to claim you don't get muggers in big cities where law is enforced, only out in Antarctica where there is no law. The exact same way that a Spanish court can find US CIA agents guilty for crimes, even while they still live in the US. Technically speaking, I'm sure that Americans could be considered traitors to the Crown if they entered the UK. Though, it would not bode well for international relations if the Britons tried to enforce this. ok, I can put up with a lot of what you say....but...how did you work that out? --------- Its just a game. Get over yourselfs. www.eve-tribune.com Dont get too excited now.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.11 21:27:00 - [44] Originally by: Major Stormer ok, I can put up with a lot of what you say....but...how did you work that out? I don't remember the Crown ever pardoning the Americas for treason, do you?
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.11 21:32:00 - [45] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Major Stormer ok, I can put up with a lot of what you say....but...how did you work that out? I don't remember the Crown ever pardoning the Americas for treason, do you? For starters, real life politics= nono here. For second, the USA is now a seperate country, the "treason" was ended with the end of the war, which resulted in the founding of the USA, which as I mentioned is a serperate country, and one that cannot commit treason against the UK as they are not the same country under the same ruler. Now, on topic, will you please stop posting? I cant decide if your a alt just trolling or if you have a real cruside against pirates, but if you wish to be taking seriously, enough with the forums and take your "war against pirate" ingame. --------- Its just a game. Get over yourselfs. www.eve-tribune.com Dont get too excited now.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.06.11 21:35:00 - [46] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Pirates are constantly posting with ideas on how to get the majority of the EVE player population out of high-sec and into low-sec. As one of these "normal" players, its time we fight back with ideas on how to get pirates out of low-sec and into 0.0 where the alliances can destroy them with the rest of the riff-raff. Suggestions? ** your alliances. Originally by:** Splagada SEED ME DADDY Down with alts! One character per account per IP!
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.11 21:41:00 - [47] Originally by: Major Stormer Now, on topic, will you please stop posting? I cant decide if your a alt just trolling or if you have a real cruside against pirates, but if you wish to be taking seriously, enough with the forums and take your "war against pirate" ingame. But we aren't talking politics, Stormer my friend, we are talking history. And no, I won't stop posting; pirates are a serious problem for EVE, and the game will not get better until their method of enjoyment is properly put in its place; out in 0.0. Back on topic, any country can find you guilty of crimes, regardless of your citizenship. Security status is just that, how likely the local alliance will find you guilty of piracy and treat you accordingly. Just because you're not standing in their house, but rather on the lawn, doesn't mean you're being an outlaw. For such a title, you should be out of their reach in 0.0, or face harsh punishment for your deviancy.
Zhett Haukes kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.11 21:47:00 - [48] Edited by: Zhett Haukes on 11/06/2007 21:45:39 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Major Stormer pirates are EVE, Fixed for you. Seriously, without piracy, what is the point of a lot of the game? Victims and pirates alike.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.11 21:48:00 - [49] Originally by: Zhett Haukes Edited by: Zhett Haukes on 11/06/2007 21:45:39 Originally by: Major Stormer pirates are EVE, Fixed for you. Seriously, without piracy, what is the point of a lot of the game? Victims and pirates alike. To make more and more money until you get bored, and leave. Like all other games out there.
Pilok Shitfly Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.11 22:00:00 - [50] Originally by: Derovius Vaden And no, I won't stop posting; pirates are a serious problem for EVE, and the game will not get better until their method of enjoyment is properly put in its place; out in 0.0. You are trolling and there's no place for trolls in eve, go back to wow
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.11 22:01:00 - [51] Originally by: Pilok **fly Originally by: Derovius Vaden And no, I won't stop posting; pirates are a serious problem for EVE, and the game will not get better until their method of enjoyment is properly put in its place; out in 0.0. You are trolling and there's no place for trolls in eve, go back to wow If you don't like what I have to say, get out to 0.0. I promise I won't follow.
Zhett Haukes kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.11 22:02:00 - [52] Edited by: Zhett Haukes on 11/06/2007 22:01:27 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Zhett Haukes Edited by: Zhett Haukes on 11/06/2007 21:45:39 Originally by: Major Stormer pirates are EVE, Fixed for you. Seriously, without piracy, what is the point of a lot of the game? Victims and pirates alike. To make more and more money until you get bored, and leave. Like all other games out there. I feel for you if that is all you get out of the game, maybe it isn't for you.
Pilok Shitfly Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.11 22:04:00 - [53] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Pilok **fly Originally by: Derovius Vaden And no, I won't stop posting; pirates are a serious problem for EVE, and the game will not get better until their method of enjoyment is properly put in its place; out in 0.0. You are trolling and there's no place for trolls in eve, go back to wow If you don't like what I have to say, get out to 0.0. I promise I won't follow. I believe you. You would wait for me with your blob
Sen Goku Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.06.11 22:20:00 - [54] I don't understand all these whines about lowsec piracy. There are no bubbles, no dictors..what the hell are people moaning about?
Sgt Blade Save Yourself Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.11 22:34:00 - [55] firstly you get alot of cookies and leave a trail of them from low sec leading into deep 0.0... once the trail; ends they should be all full and tired taht they will not be bothered to fly back Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.11 22:40:00 - [56] I can't decide if the OP is trolling, or is just that stupid. Because I said so...
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.11 22:47:00 - [57] Edited by: Patch86 on 11/06/2007 22:45:41 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Major Stormer Now, on topic, will you please stop posting? I cant decide if your a alt just trolling or if you have a real cruside against pirates, but if you wish to be taking seriously, enough with the forums and take your "war against pirate" ingame. But we aren't talking politics, Stormer my friend, we are talking history. And no, I won't stop posting; pirates are a serious problem for EVE, and the game will not get better until their method of enjoyment is properly put in its place; out in 0.0. Back on topic, any country can find you guilty of crimes, regardless of your citizenship. Security status is just that, how likely the local alliance will find you guilty of piracy and treat you accordingly. Just because you're not standing in their house, but rather on the lawn, doesn't mean you're being an outlaw. For such a title, you should be out of their reach in 0.0, or face harsh punishment for your deviancy. I appreciate what you're saying, but outlaw is probably not a terribly suitable synonym for "pirate". An outlaw is not a criminal, by definition. In old English common law, an outlaw was someone a judge has declared "outside of the law" for their crimes- literally meaning that they were not afforded legal protection. In other words, you could kill an outlaw without being charged with murder. You could steal from an outlaw without being charged with theft. In EVE, an outlaw is literally someone with a security rating low enough that CONCORD won't protect them in high-sec any more (I forget exactly what that level is, but all -10's are it, obviously). Piracy, on the other hand, is simply the act of destroying someone's ship for profit (dictionary definition is literally "one who robs or plunders at or from sea, without the permission of a sovereign"). You can commit an act of piracy anywhere; indeed, it'd be much easier to commit an act of piracy in the busy backwaters of someone's national territory, than out in the middle of unclaimed nowhere. There's no logical reason a pirate (or an outlaw, for that matter) should be out in lawless space any more than they should be in lawful space. --------
Vladimir Ilych Gradient	Posted - 2007.06.11 22:53:00 - [58] To OP : Pirates belong in low sec. That is their home / hunting ground. I am anti-pirate but they are a cruical part of Eve. Don't like it? Don't go there.
Cailais Amarr VITOC	Posted - 2007.06.11 23:11:00 - [59] The irony of this is, if low sec status pilots were'nt banned from high sec you'd see a lot less piwates in low sec. "EH"? - Simple really, at any given time a given % of piwates would be just mulling around high sec shopping, doing missions and well...stuff: the concentration of piwates in low sec is mainly because they've got no where else to go. Piwates are just small corps who like pvp but don't want the blob warfare and the tedium of refueling POSes thing. C. - sig designer - eve mail
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.12 00:16:00 - [60] Originally by: Baccala Pirates can't beat alliances, they don't have space or resources to stay in 0.0, so they sit on the edge and dec wars, gank those going into 0.0... always having that safe jump back to low sec. It's the law of the pirate... the safest and laziest tactics to grief your opponent. Low sec is full of scraps... it stinks there, it reaks of rat droppings that aren't worth your time and effort. Low sec rewards suck for nearly being at the same risk of 0.0. Let the pirates own it... cuz no one else wants it. Ahhhh.....hahahahahaha No...wait... Hahahahahahaha Thread winner "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.06.12 00:37:00 - [61] Actual answer: Put more NPC Stations in 0.0. One of the big limiting factors to lowsec players playing in 0.0 is the time commitment it takes to operate in 0.0. Being able to dock is good. Have Agents in those same stations, so that mission runners will want to go there. Make more entry points into 0.0, so it is not so trivially easy to lock down chokepoints and obstruct all traffic. Right now key entry points are frequently owned for huge chunks of time by particular entities. If you want pirates to roam around in the nearby space, they need to able to get in and out. More connectivity in 0.0. Once again, making it easy to box people up and lock them somewhere makes pirates unhappy and not want to play in that area. Highsec has lots of systems and paths to move around in, but 0.0 has a tendency to be only pipes. Open it up a bit. Makes life more interesting.
Pilok Shitfly Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.12 10:58:00 - [62] Remove local and pirating in 0.0 could be fun. Now it's just a waste of time, you enter a system, peeps see you and safespot.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:04:00 - [63] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Pirates are constantly posting with ideas on how to get the majority of the EVE player population out of high-sec and into low-sec. As one of these "normal" players, its time we fight back with ideas on how to get pirates out of low-sec and into 0.0 where the alliances can destroy them with the rest of the riff-raff. Suggestions? You cant. Pirates operate where their prey live. If they went out to 0.0 they become the prey. ROSHAN LONGSHOT 03-06-2003 18-06-2007. CCP THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD FOUR YEARS. YOU DONE WELL. BUT ATLAST ALL THINGS MUST COME TO AN END, AND FOR ME ITS TIME TO LEAVE EVE. CLEAR SKIES AND SMOOTH JETS
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:10:00 - [64] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Pirates are constantly posting with ideas on how to get the majority of the EVE player population out of high-sec and into low-sec. As one of these "normal" players, its time we fight back with ideas on how to get pirates out of low-sec and into 0.0 where the alliances can destroy them with the rest of the riff-raff. Suggestions? I am sorry but I have been pirating in 0.0 for 2 years now, and even entities like MC can't do anything about it...
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:11:00 - [65] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 11/06/2007 18:19:44 Pirates prey on the weak. Just like I preyed on your faction fitted nighthawk, you just putyourself to "weak" position.
doctorstupid2 Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:16:00 - [66] Edited by: doctorstupid2 on 12/06/2007 11:17:13 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Pirates are constantly posting with ideas on how to get the majority of the EVE player population out of high-sec and into low-sec. As one of these "normal" players, its time we fight back with ideas on how to get pirates out of low-sec and into 0.0 where the alliances can destroy them with the rest of the riff-raff. Suggestions? For fear of feeding a troll, I live in 0.0, i fight alliance level wars every day and shoot anything I can lock onto, and it is good. I also like to rat my sec status up to about 1.0, then come on a little vacation in low sec, destroying all I see and salting the earth, and then returning to 0.0. You'll find a very large portion of the pirates you rant about near daily are actually 0.0 players in one way or another that find the cheap thrills in low sec worth taking little side trips for. Hell, I made more isk in low sec in one week than a month of 0.0, to the tune of 750mil for a handful of kills. Funds my HAC habbit nicely.
Amarria Black Clan Anthraxx	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:38:00 - [67] Originally by: Zhett Haukes Edited by: Zhett Haukes on 11/06/2007 22:01:27 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Zhett Haukes Edited by: Zhett Haukes on 11/06/2007 21:45:39 Originally by: Major Stormer pirates are EVE, Fixed for you. Seriously, without piracy, what is the point of a lot of the game? Victims and pirates alike. To make more and more money until you get bored, and leave. Like all other games out there. I feel for you if that is all you get out of the game, maybe it isn't for you. What's so wrong with it? What if your goal is to have 100 POS's up, and then bail? Or to set foot in every single system? Or to watch each and every ship type in the game get blown up? From the driver's seat? Believe it or not, the game's not all about killmails, alliance holdings, or wins-v-losses.
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:41:00 - [68] add more npc stations to 0.0 and the pirates will come. ever since snigg moved to 0.0 we've only based out of npc stations, no poses or outpost crap. also adding more connections between npc space and claimable space will increase the numbers of pirates. we used to have to go 20 or 30 jumps sometimes to an alliance's home system in our fleets to get a good fight.
Lady Abaris kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.12 11:53:00 - [69] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Pirates are constantly posting with ideas on how to get the majority of the EVE player population out of high-sec and into low-sec. As one of these "normal" players, its time we fight back with ideas on how to get pirates out of low-sec and into 0.0 where the alliances can destroy them with the rest of the riff-raff. Suggestions? Don't fightback with ideas try using guns. Originally by: Princess Jodi Pirates are not honorable PVP'rs looking for a fight - they are ganking scumbuckets who just want easy kills. As long as they get easy kills in low-sec space, they will stay there. So: 1.> 0.0 space is protected by Alliances, therefore Pirates don't wanna go there. 2.> Empire has Concord, which will kill Pirates. Therefore: 3.> Pirates can exist only in low-sec space. If you don't want Pirates around, you've gotta police the low-sec space yourself. Whap them in the head with a stick a few times, and even the dumbest of them will learn to go somewhere else. Spot on:- you cannot be an outlaw in lawless space. To the OP get some friends and go kick the "riff-raff" out of the bit of low sec you want yourself. If you want a piece of low sec you will need to fight for it. You might even find you have fun doing it.
Drizit Amarr Lonely out here Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.12 12:01:00 - [70] Edited by: Drizit on 12/06/2007 11:59:52 Originally by: Patch86 The "how do we get people in to low-sec?" question is an entirely different question. The point of it is that there is nothing in low-sec to make it more desirable than high-sec or 0.0. Either you're a high-sec person, or you're a 0.0 person. No-one wants to live in low-sec, because theres no real point. I have got to agree. There are those who prefer highsec for safety. Those who want lots of pew pew and couldn't give a rats about safety go to 0.0. The main problem wiht lowsec, is the rewards don't justify the risk. There is a lot less risk in 0.0 and highsec than there is in lowsec but the rewards of lowsec stink by comparison. If CCP ever wondered why lowsec was so unappealing, that's the simple answer. Moving some of the higher agents from highsec to lowsec won't help either, it just means less players will do missions so it wouldn't be much more than just a nerf to the gameplay. Those agent rewards suck big time and increasing the danger to do them will turn people away from them. Mining is very poor. You have two choices, ninja mine and lose time warping to and from the station or have a couple of corpmates to run defence which costs isk. Either way, the rewards from mining are greatly reduced and with a much bigger risk, few are prepared to do it. --
Cpt Branko	Posted - 2007.06.12 12:12:00 - [71] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 12/06/2007 12:12:34 Put better rats and better asteroids in low-sec, that's the damn answer to low-sec problems. Right now, it's not worth it except for pew-pew. I only live there because I hate the high-sec mission grind. Regarding pirates, pirates are a vital part of the game. Making low sec high sec, what the OP suggests, just nerfs them further, and they don't have it easy. The OP just wants to be able to run the L5s in low-sec unmolested. And to those who think pirates pew-pew and dock, get serious. You can't do that, unless you really like not being able to dock while the guns are shooting at you. No, you safespot. What is something you should do when you're in low-sec, too. And some other things for the systems you frequent, and you'll be nearly completely safe as long as you keep your eyes open and brain alert. Furthermore, I don't really get the point of complaining - it's already practically 99.9% safe to take a frig to lowsec, since the chances of a frig being caught in a camp (no bubbles, remember) is preety much minimal. The significant risk is taking a BC/BS there. Low-sec just doesn't have enough rewards to make it worth it at the moment. If you want to stop pirates in the low-sec systems you frequent, use guns and numbers, not forum trolling.
Gorthauran	Posted - 2007.06.12 12:49:00 - [72] Bring 0.0 up to 0.5...goodbye low sec o/
William Alex Viscosity Dark Synergy	Posted - 2007.06.12 15:41:00 - [73] Originally by: Rennard Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 11/06/2007 18:19:44 Pirates prey on the weak. Just like I preyed on your faction fitted nighthawk, you just putyourself to "weak" position. I laugh out louded =D Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
Rafein	Posted - 2007.06.12 15:50:00 - [74] get their targets out into 0.0. Problem solved
Rabbitual Ferrier	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:22:00 - [75] By killing them over and over and over until they get bored - ie ganking any pirates who undock. Of course that would probably result in you becoming the 'new pirates' of low sec space.... We need pirates, they make Low Sec, well low sec. Those spawny Rats don't worry me, half as much as the Yarr Brigade.
William Alex Viscosity Dark Synergy	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:31:00 - [76] Yeah, the issue isn't the fault of the players. Pirates are just using the system to gain entertainment, same as mission runners, same as 0.0 empire builders. It's the fault that the system was designed in such a wierd way. The devs need to have a good look at the issue, and as long as they don't force people but rather make a good enticement for going to low-sec then we'll see how it goes. One huge change that's coming is the lv5 missions so lets see how that plays out. I THINK that they should also consider beefing up the sentrys. Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.
Matt Emery	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:43:00 - [77] Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 I would agree it seems to me that there are loads of pirates begging CCP to push empire players into low sec for them to have easy targets all day long, I think the real answer is pushing pirates out to 0.0 atleast in some way. 1( make sec hits count and mean something. No high sec or low sec station should let you dock once you are below -4 status, and you should get bigger sec hits for blowing up ships. This way priates would atleast need to travel to 0.0 to find a station, and low sec will be more dangerous for them as thay can no longer insta dock. 2) remove penalty of taking sec hit when killing pirates. Anyone with -2 or worse = no sec hit when killed in low sec. thats the bggist load of rubbish ive ever hurd, ppl in aliances who are in 0.0 are doomed for enteral warfair when we stay there, u saying that after we kill 200 ppl whilst defending are home, we cant dock in any orther stations than the ones we have put down, and also the pirates wont come in 0.0 becase if they even put down a singel pos, as soon as it's found there would be 25 caps beeting it up... 0.0 is where the aliances have are game, and if pirates come they are soon stamped out! besides do u really want to remove such a essential part of the game, pirates make eve great, without them the carebear infested lands would grow to large! and also on your 1st point, ppl are greedy and thats why the stations let them dock, so when they rep there ship they get cash! (i know they are npcs but thats the logic)
Aleranie	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:44:00 - [78] Its not so much that pirates can't hold 0.0 space... It is that the kind of people inclined to go around foaming at the mouth and yarring people to death, are not usually the kind of guys that will tolerate the mindless effort of fueling pos. Also, running ops on the scale required to hold a decent amount of space can be very aggravating and sometimes unrewarding, even thankless. Much easier to spend their time running like wolves and splattering people across the stars.
Mr Cleann	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:01:00 - [79] You can try praying really hard. maybe the eve god will smile apon you
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.12 21:39:00 - [80] Something must be done with these pirates, preferably involving fire and alot of angst.
dragonssbane Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.06.12 21:45:00 - [81] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Something must be done with these pirates, preferably involving fire and alot of angst. I know a few folk that say things just like that.....hmm
Kirika Misono War by Proxy	Posted - 2007.06.12 22:36:00 - [82] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Major Stormer ok, I can put up with a lot of what you say....but...how did you work that out? I don't remember the Crown ever pardoning the Americas for treason, do you? I don't recall the Americans pardoning any Russian programmers who violated the DMCA and were arrested on entry to the US, either... Is it just me, or did INFOD jump all over this subject as fast as possible? Might this knee jerk reaction have something to do with the fact that most alliances now greet the appearance of INFOD members in their territory with guns blazing and carrier fleets? Originally by: Clementina If you bug report it, you get ignored. If you post about it on the forums, you get banned. If you exploit it, you get rich.
falcinious	Posted - 2007.06.12 22:43:00 - [83] I dont have a problem with pirates being in low sec. Thats what they do to have fun. I have fun by staying up in empire doing missions and mining. When I do go through low sec it gives me great joy when they dont catch me :).
Hexman The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.06.13 02:20:00 - [84] Originally by: Derovius Vaden rabble rabble rabble Suggestions? So I take it you got p00ned by a pirate, huh? Well, here's a way to get them into 0.0:Go do whatever you were doing in low sec to 0.0! yarr!
violator2k5 Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.13 04:33:00 - [85] Originally by: Tsanse Kinske How can we get more 0.0 residents back to Jita, that's what I want to know. for the love of god no, that place is to over populated as it is ---------------------------- BOB 4 LIFE NOT JUST 4 A DAY ----------------------------
Nanobotter Mk2	Posted - 2007.06.13 06:14:00 - [86] Edited by: Nanobotter Mk2 on 13/06/2007 06:14:01 Quote: I dont have a problem with pirates being in low sec. Thats what they do to have fun. I have fun by staying up in empire doing missions and mining. When I do go through low sec it gives me great joy when they dont catch me :). Exactly the problem is they are not okay with you living in empire they want CCP to force you out to be a sheep for their slaughter, so the OP suggested maybe pirates need to be forced out to 0.0 to be the sheep for alliance blob and gate camp slaughter.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.14 19:11:00 - [87] It would be much better if we did it in this way: How can we get carebears out of empire and into low sec? Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
dragonssbane Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2007.06.14 19:21:00 - [88] Originally by: NightmareX It would be much better if we did it in this way: How can we get carebears out of empire and into low sec? Or how about remove high sec all together....the donut shop is closed...Concord quits!
Killwing Minmatar Alcohol Fueled Brutality X-PACT	Posted - 2007.06.14 20:06:00 - [89] Meh,low sec pirates are'nt the problem,if the odds are'nt 50 to 1 atleast.I'm a pirate,if you come into low sec,your gonna get shot at,more often than not.What I think the OP is getting at is that he,wants to beable to run missions in low sec space and still be as safe as he would be in Jita imo. ________________________________ The public will more easly fall for a big lie,than for a small one .
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.18 14:08:00 - [90] Edited by: NightmareX on 18/06/2007 14:07:20 Originally by: dragonssbane Originally by: NightmareX It would be much better if we did it in this way: How can we get carebears out of empire and into low sec? Or how about remove high sec all together....the donut shop is closed...Concord quits! If you have been playing EVE for some few years, then you probably know that CCP had an event on the test server few years ago, they did make ALL systems in EVE to 0.0 space lol. OMG that was so awesome. But to bad it was only on sisi. It would be cool if that had been on TQ. Everyone went nuts on sisi that day. BRING THAT TO TQ NOW!11111ONEONEONEELVEN. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.18 14:46:00 - [91] Originally by: Gorthauran Bring 0.0 up to 0.5...goodbye low sec o/ We have a winner
Lisento Slaven Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.18 14:53:00 - [92] Pirates are already in 0.0, they go there a lot to fix their security status. In fact most of the pirates I know are already in 0.0 alliances! Who would have thought =P --- Put in space whales!
THEGREAT LOBO Infestation.	Posted - 2007.06.18 15:19:00 - [93] why do pirates need to go to 0.0 ? i have done the 0.0 thing and find the whole allinace blob wars boring. i like low sec. i can have smaller gang fights and 1v1s. i can roam and find many ways out of systems if i get blobed. i don't haave to worry about bubbles and such. if there is anything low sec needs its more targets.And maybe some better rats and mins in the belts Pirates are a part of eve ? don't like it ? leave, or come get us your self
Tekeran The Hull Miners Union	Posted - 2007.06.18 15:41:00 - [94] What is this 0.0 you speak of?
Opium Minmatar Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.18 15:52:00 - [95] this game isnt for nice ppl. everyhting is bent to grieve steal and or take to be the victor. as far as piwates to o.0 or more ppl to low sec, this will never ever happen. there are the same number of gates into low sec space as there were when only 800 of us played in beta. actually there are more smuggler gates, etc , meant for o.0 conquering than from empire to l;ow sec. about 9 chokeholds over all of eve for ppl to get into low sec, there will never be ppl in low security to poulate those said areas,so pirates will never go to o.0 why? just camp one of the 8 to 10 ways into low sec in eve and ur a perfect piwate. same thing with ur space game, u7 wanna win and grieve all day with a billion bandwagon boys running to ur slave whip join bob. u wanna be a han solo a luke skywalker, be against bob and pets, no hate involved thats the way it is tho. or pick a gate and start piwating
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.09 14:58:00 - [96] Originally by: Tekeran What is this 0.0 you speak of? its where everyone holds hands and there are these big ships that fly that can have entire fleets dock inside them or wipe out entire fleets with 1 big flash ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
milinkoee Bastage Incorporated	Posted - 2007.07.09 16:15:00 - [97] Originally by: Aindrias My issues with pirates are that they have little to lose except ships/isk.. which is so abundant it's not even funny. "OOoooOOooo.. I'm a Piwat in low sec! Pew Pew!.. OHmUhGoD a Big Force! I can't fight that! I need to warp to the nearest Starbase and I'll be safe!" These observations apply just as well to carebears. The problem is their attitude about losing the ships/isk, even though it is "so abundant it's not even funny". But then again, that is what makes them "care"bears. Bastage, Inc. Worst Pirates Ever!!!
milinkoee Bastage Incorporated	Posted - 2007.07.09 16:23:00 - [98] Originally by: Pilok **fly Remove local and pirating in 0.0 could be fun. Now it's just a waste of time, you enter a system, peeps see you and safespot. Best answer yet. If local were removed from at least all 0.0 systems, you would find a resurgence of belt piracy and interest many pirates in 0.0. Bastage, Inc. Worst Pirates Ever!!!
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.07.09 16:31:00 - [99] Originally by: Derovius Vaden its time we fight back with ideas on how to get pirates out of low-sec and into 0.0 Like Syndicate? Originally by: Derovius Vaden where the alliances can destroy them with the rest of the riff-raff. Yeah, any year now. Logoffs
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.09 23:47:00 - [100] Originally by: Opium this game isnt for nice ppl. everyhting is bent to grieve steal and or take to be the victor. as far as piwates to o.0 or more ppl to low sec, this will never ever happen. there are the same number of gates into low sec space as there were when only 800 of us played in beta. actually there are more smuggler gates, etc , meant for o.0 conquering than from empire to l;ow sec. about 9 chokeholds over all of eve for ppl to get into low sec, there will never be ppl in low security to poulate those said areas,so pirates will never go to o.0 why? just camp one of the 8 to 10 ways into low sec in eve and ur a perfect piwate. same thing with ur space game, u7 wanna win and grieve all day with a billion bandwagon boys running to ur slave whip join bob. u wanna be a han solo a luke skywalker, be against bob and pets, no hate involved thats the way it is tho. or pick a gate and start piwating so you are suggesting that 0.0 and low sec both get opened up ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.07.10 00:17:00 - [101] Make the undocking walz impossible with a serious ejection from the station in a somewhat random direction. This alone will be incentive for much of the low sec gankers to wise up and go where there's more to be had from their wicked ways. Also Known As
Felysta Sandorn Caldari System-Lords	Posted - 2007.07.10 00:23:00 - [102] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 11/06/2007 18:19:44 Pirates prey on the weak. No, blobs prey on the weak... Blobs that come from your area of space, generally... Pirates... True pirates of EVE... The few remaining good pirates that I've had the privilege to fly with only search for one thing... The perfect fight... Granted, I prey on the weak as well... If I'm in an Absolution and I scan a cormorant at a belt, I'm not going to pass up the opportunity to kill it. But what I search for, and the reason I lose the ships I lose is because I prefer good fights. A few examples could be taking on a BRUCE blob, starting with odds 3:1 and gaining a few reinforcemts during the fight, making the final tally 2:1 (44 BRUCE, 21 of us, 35 BRUCE killed, 8 of us killed). Taking on a HUZZAH blob today that outnumbered us 4:1, due to communications problems, only leading to one loss I believe and a general retreat. Attacking an Interdictor in my Interceptor, knowing the odds were against me, especially after he called in half a dozen friends... Pirates aren't the bad guys... The bad guys are people like BRUCE, BoB, MC, IAC, GOON, RA... All the big alliances that have no brains and just sit on gates waiting for cheap kills when their screen loads but the other people's don't. Being a pirate generally involves running away from these blobs 90% of the time, and using guerilla tactics to pick off stragglers. Pirates are completely different to all other PvPers in this game because they have brains. Maybe these are just my experiences, but every pirate I've ever flown with (mainly SYLO, CRWS, ENIGMA, 187, members and other related bodies) have had enough know-how within them to be able to lead a fleet when it comes to the crunch. If the FC dies in a gang that I'm in, someone else will take over with ease and know exactly what they're doing. That's what seperates Pirates from other PvPers... Flame away! Latest Video, Click Here!
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 23:11:00 - [103] Originally by: Felysta Sandorn Pirates aren't the bad guys... The bad guys are people like BRUCE, BoB, MC, IAC, GOON, RA... All the big alliances that have no brains and just sit on gates waiting for cheap kills when their screen loads but the other people's don't. Being a pirate generally involves running away from these blobs 90% of the time, and using guerilla tactics to pick off stragglers. Pirates are completely different to all other PvPers in this game because they have brains. Maybe these are just my experiences, but every pirate I've ever flown with (mainly SYLO, CRWS, ENIGMA, 187, members and other related bodies) have had enough know-how within them to be able to lead a fleet when it comes to the crunch. If the FC dies in a gang that I'm in, someone else will take over with ease and know exactly what they're doing. That's what seperates Pirates from other PvPers... Flame away! oh so you are suggesting we entice pirates to go after the alliances! i love this idea ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Fault24x Minmatar Twilight Void	Posted - 2007.07.13 00:05:00 - [104] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 11/06/2007 18:19:44 Pirates prey on the weak. There you have it.
Thor Xian EarthForce E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.07.13 00:23:00 - [105] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Pirates are constantly posting with ideas on how to get the majority of the EVE player population out of high-sec and into low-sec. As one of these "normal" players, its time we fight back with ideas on how to get pirates out of low-sec and into 0.0 where the alliances can destroy them with the rest of the riff-raff. Suggestions? Mr Derovius Vaden version 15.98a Hi sec is safety net space. Low sec is pirate space. 0.0 is alliance space. It's a progressive scale of implied risk vs intended reward. PS: Read it left to right. ____________________________________________ ~Admiral Thor Xian, Strategic Operations Commander Meet the Overlord
Chelone	Posted - 2007.07.13 00:57:00 - [106] Here's an idea. Make it 100% legal to attack anyone with even the smallest negative concord standing, anywhere in 0.1-0.4. You pirates want us to come to lowsec? Great, take away the security hit we'd take for aggroing you, so we can spank your ass good.
Devinator	Posted - 2007.07.13 01:01:00 - [107] Train combat skills and go kill them
Martin Mckenna D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.13 01:30:00 - [108] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Baccala Tbh, INFOD is big enough to be able to fight against whatever alliance in EVE. Nothing scares us I think that a bit of an overstatement. The alliances in Geminate are a total diffrent ball game to the big southern alliances.
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.07.13 01:52:00 - [109] Originally by: Chelone Here's an idea. Make it 100% legal to attack anyone with even the smallest negative concord standing, anywhere in 0.1-0.4. You pirates want us to come to lowsec? Great, take away the security hit we'd take for aggroing you, so we can spank your ass good. The idea has been proposed a lot, and I like it well enough for what it is. But I don't believe the fear of security hits is the main thing holding back hordes of people from invading LoSec and...spanking pirate asses, or whatever it is you're fantasizing about. It'd be an improvement though. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.13 13:01:00 - [110] Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Originally by: Chelone Here's an idea. Make it 100% legal to attack anyone with even the smallest negative concord standing, anywhere in 0.1-0.4. You pirates want us to come to lowsec? Great, take away the security hit we'd take for aggroing you, so we can spank your ass good. The idea has been proposed a lot, and I like it well enough for what it is. But I don't believe the fear of security hits is the main thing holding back hordes of people from invading LoSec and...spanking pirate asses, or whatever it is you're fantasizing about. It'd be an improvement though. you would be surprised - some people cherish their + standings ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Bloodangle Minmatar Bastage Incorporated	Posted - 2007.07.13 13:34:00 - [111] Edited by: Bloodangle on 13/07/2007 13:34:09 Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Originally by: Chelone Here's an idea. Make it 100% legal to attack anyone with even the smallest negative concord standing, anywhere in 0.1-0.4. You pirates want us to come to lowsec? Great, take away the security hit we'd take for aggroing you, so we can spank your ass good. The idea has been proposed a lot, and I like it well enough for what it is. But I don't believe the fear of security hits is the main thing holding back hordes of people from invading LoSec and...spanking pirate asses, or whatever it is you're fantasizing about. It'd be an improvement though. you would be surprised - some people cherish their + standings Total BS. 90% of the "pirates" out there are below -5. It takes like two nights of podding folks to get to this level, within the week you are at -10. So there is no real issue with pirate hunting and sec hits.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.13 14:07:00 - [112] Well I posted this once.. Will try again. To balance low sec, everyone agrees it need more rewards, but they need to be different form 0.0. Or people would simply go to 0.0 where is safer. I say.. remove the current bounty system, and add an automatic legitimate bounty system. Players killing in Ammar low sec, receive bounties paid by Ammar agents. make that with a sizeable value to attract bounty hunters. Also you cannot get this rewards if you have negative security or have killed any non outlaw inlast X days. Mostly important. You stay in outlaw status for 24 hours after killing a non outlaw!. Sentries stop firing you after the 15 minutes. But any other player can kill you without loosing sec status. The results would be, possibility of organization being formed in low sec, with defense groups and bounty hunters capable of hunting pirates without the problem of loosing security. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
acompton Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.07.13 14:30:00 - [113] The thing about pirates is, well, they DON'T go where you want them to or act like you want them to... So good luck on this.
EscapeArtist Caldari Deviance Inc Karnal Knowledge	Posted - 2007.07.13 15:02:00 - [114] What constantly surprises me is people think they need to fix pirating and low sector. The game mechanics are designed to make pirating a career path and low sec enables this. What I donÆt get it how so many care bears think pirates are somehow corrupting the game. To be honest, I havenÆt had this much fun while playing EvE since coming to low sector and getting some pew pew. Deviance Inc. û Making your life in low sec very short!
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.13 15:06:00 - [115] By fixing low sec most people mean increase population. That is good for pirates! Low sec ia n pain in the rear bottom exactly because is semi desertic. It needs reason for people to go there. It need a constant comerce /industry to spupply pirates with targets and bounty hunters to keep pirates under a balanced control. The perfect low sec would feel a bit like old west form movies. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.07.13 15:21:00 - [116] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Originally by: Chelone Here's an idea. Make it 100% legal to attack anyone with even the smallest negative concord standing, anywhere in 0.1-0.4. You pirates want us to come to lowsec? Great, take away the security hit we'd take for aggroing you, so we can spank your ass good. The idea has been proposed a lot, and I like it well enough for what it is. But I don't believe the fear of security hits is the main thing holding back hordes of people from invading LoSec and...spanking pirate asses, or whatever it is you're fantasizing about. It'd be an improvement though. you would be surprised - some people cherish their + standings Yes. But I think they tend to cherish their time, ships, and iskies even more. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.07.13 15:24:00 - [117] Originally by: Bloodangle Edited by: Bloodangle on 13/07/2007 13:34:09 Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Originally by: Chelone Here's an idea. Make it 100% legal to attack anyone with even the smallest negative concord standing, anywhere in 0.1-0.4. You pirates want us to come to lowsec? Great, take away the security hit we'd take for aggroing you, so we can spank your ass good. The idea has been proposed a lot, and I like it well enough for what it is. But I don't believe the fear of security hits is the main thing holding back hordes of people from invading LoSec and...spanking pirate asses, or whatever it is you're fantasizing about. It'd be an improvement though. you would be surprised - some people cherish their + standings Total BS. 90% of the "pirates" out there are below -5. It takes like two nights of podding folks to get to this level, within the week you are at -10. So there is no real issue with pirate hunting and sec hits. Shouldn't be a problem to implement then, should it? But seriously, the idea that almost every pirate is a permanent blinky is laughable. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Bloodangle Minmatar Bastage Incorporated 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.07.13 15:37:00 - [118] Edited by: Bloodangle on 13/07/2007 15:38:43 Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Shouldn't be a problem to implement then, should it? But seriously, the idea that almost every pirate is a permanent blinky is laughable. How so? Anyone that actually pirates is -5 in no time. If they would need to spend 10-20x as much time ratting their sec rating up as pirating to keep it above -5. I have never seen such pirates. The "yellows" (-4.9 to -0.1) that I see in low sec are new to pirating and quickly become -5 and below or are anti-pi's or alliance gangs bored and roaming, but not "pirates". The sec hit excuse is just that, a lame excuse used by those affraid to risk their ships and put their isk'ies where their mouths are. Someone in another thread on the subject just made the point (with tips) on how easy it is to actually live in low sec. I was a hauler/trader running the low sec ganks supplying t2 goodies on the fringes of 0.0 the first few months in the game. I got ganked a total of 2 times in the first year, and in three years haven't lost another ship and was never podded on my hauler alt (used to consider that char my main). I the difference is that I learned from both ganks what I did wrong and adapted. It is laughably simple to fly safe in low sec if you take the time to learn the tricks. I must admit, having a pirate character and learning how the pirates operate made my life as a trader in low sec a lot easier. BTW, I have no issue allowing anyone with any -.0.1 or lower being fair game in low sec. Would make it a lot easier on pirates when the anti-pies or noob pirates try to move into your system.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.13 16:23:00 - [119] If you don't kill pods your sec don't go so fast down. And I really see no gain in killing the Pods (out of alliance warfare wehre attritioning teh enemy is the final goal). If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.07.13 19:25:00 - [120] Originally by: Audri Fisher Originally by: Gorthauran Bring 0.0 up to 0.5...goodbye low sec o/ We have a winner Could be fun to basically make all of low-sec similar to Syndicate. ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos
Wayward Hooligan Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.13 19:39:00 - [121] What I always fail to understand is why the empire dwellers who hate pirates always want the devs to help them out. Why can't they band together and go take back some low sec space? It's very possible and they have all the resources in the world to do it. 40 carebears in HAC/Command/Recons could keep a section of low sec more or less secure once they learned to fly as a gang. Make low sec more valueable. High sec gets l1, l2 and l3 agents, low sec gets l1 l2 l3 and l4 agents and 0.0 gets l1 l2 l3 l4 and l5 agents. Move ice out of empire into low sec/0.0. Move some of the uber minerals out of 0.0 and into low sec. These kinds of changes wouldn't force people to move anywhere but they would make low sec a hell of a lot more valueable. Groups would probably want to be there for the isk/loot rewards. Might actually see groups of carebears playing together in an organized fashing. Shamis Orzoz: Cap Boosters are for losers. I don't run out of gas.
Khamal Jolstien	Posted - 2007.07.13 20:59:00 - [122] I don't see the problem. I honestly do not. Low security space is low security space; what do you expect to happen if you're wondering about? Bring some friends and you'll deter the nubbin pirates. This isn't WOW. For the most part, we aren't children and the devs aren't being paid to babysit us or bring us milk and cookies when we get killed in low sec.
Felysta Sandorn Caldari System-Lords	Posted - 2007.07.13 21:02:00 - [123] Page 8 necro for the lose... I thought I ended this discussion! Latest Video, Click Here!
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.07.13 21:36:00 - [124] SiJira <-- this is the person you want to ban for the necro. Everyone boo SiJira.
Felysta Sandorn Caldari System-Lords	Posted - 2007.07.13 21:57:00 - [125] Originally by: Derovius Vaden SiJira <-- this is the person you want to ban for the necro. Everyone boo SiJira. /sign Ban SiJara! Latest Video, Click Here!
Tekterra	Posted - 2007.07.13 22:28:00 - [126] Did I hear some one said normal player take sec hit when killing a pirate in none 0.0 system? This indeed needs to be changed. Why because if a pirate is allow to kill normal players then normal plaeyrs should be allow to kill pirates with out penalty. My current understanding is you can't enter higher security system when your security rating is too low. What dose this mean? dose it mean if you hit -5 security rating you can't even enter 0.5 system? Will concord attack you on sight if you do enter higher security system? If this is how it is now then the system is not so bad. In another word it would seem that 0.0-0.4 is pirate world and 0.5-1.0 if normal player world. There fore entering 0.4 system is like invading pirate teritory.
ghosttr Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.13 22:31:00 - [127] Edited by: ghosttr on 13/07/2007 22:31:34 The reason is that most people who claim to be pirates dont have the balls to go anywhere they cant immediately hide. Unless they have a station in every system and docking rights they wont come. & WTF is up with the necro . Do not read this thread!!!
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.14 14:53:00 - [128] Originally by: ghosttr Edited by: ghosttr on 13/07/2007 22:31:34 The reason is that most people who claim to be pirates dont have the balls to go anywhere they cant immediately hide. Unless they have a station in every system and docking rights they wont come. & WTF is up with the necro or maybe they cant afford to be going up against bubbles? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.14 15:43:00 - [129] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Pirates are constantly posting with ideas on how to get the majority of the EVE player population out of high-sec and into low-sec. As one of these "normal" players, its time we fight back with ideas on how to get pirates out of low-sec and into 0.0 where the alliances can destroy them with the rest of the riff-raff. Suggestions? Cheese and bread to go along with your constant whining? What, that little hole you have down there in the southeast of the map have too many pirates and bad guys for you? (yes, I am keeping tack you, so when I have a dull moment I will hunt you) This game is nearly 4 years old, you are 6 months and you ***** more than anyone I have seen. Grow some nads and learn to fight or join a corp with low sec connections that will protect your lame self.
Oki Riverson Amarr Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.07.14 17:30:00 - [130] Going nowhere :)
Hotice	Posted - 2007.07.14 17:41:00 - [131] Originally by: The Hooch Originally by: Derovius Vaden Pirates are constantly posting with ideas on how to get the majority of the EVE player population out of high-sec and into low-sec. As one of these "normal" players, its time we fight back with ideas on how to get pirates out of low-sec and into 0.0 where the alliances can destroy them with the rest of the riff-raff. Suggestions? Cheese and bread to go along with your constant whining? What, that little hole you have down there in the southeast of the map have too many pirates and bad guys for you? (yes, I am keeping tack you, so when I have a dull moment I will hunt you) This game is nearly 4 years old, you are 6 months and you ***** more than anyone I have seen. Grow some nads and learn to fight or join a corp with low sec connections that will protect your lame self. Now listen to the all mighty tough guy who just killed that scary Badger II!
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.14 18:19:00 - [132] Edited by: SiJira on 14/07/2007 18:19:12 seriously though taking sec hits for killing a pirate just cause he isnt fully outlawed is a joke ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.14 18:24:00 - [133] Originally by: Hotice Originally by: The Hooch Originally by: Derovius Vaden Pirates are constantly posting with ideas on how to get the majority of the EVE player population out of high-sec and into low-sec. As one of these "normal" players, its time we fight back with ideas on how to get pirates out of low-sec and into 0.0 where the alliances can destroy them with the rest of the riff-raff. Suggestions? Cheese and bread to go along with your constant whining? What, that little hole you have down there in the southeast of the map have too many pirates and bad guys for you? (yes, I am keeping tack you, so when I have a dull moment I will hunt you) This game is nearly 4 years old, you are 6 months and you *** more than anyone I have seen. Grow some nads and learn to fight or join a corp with low sec connections that will protect your lame self. Now listen to the all mighty tough guy who just killed that scary Badger II! Why yes I did, and made about 15 million** from it too. It's how I make a living, by shooting war targets in empire. But I am not above belt raiding either in low sec or 0.0 .
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.15 18:55:00 - [134] Originally by: The Hooch Originally by: Hotice Originally by: The Hooch Originally by: Derovius Vaden Pirates are constantly posting with ideas on how to get the majority of the EVE player population out of high-sec and into low-sec. As one of these "normal" players, its time we fight back with ideas on how to get pirates out of low-sec and into 0.0 where the alliances can destroy them with the rest of the riff-raff. Suggestions? Cheese and bread to go along with your constant whining? What, that little hole you have down there in the southeast of the map have too many pirates and bad guys for you? (yes, I am keeping tack you, so when I have a dull moment I will hunt you) This game is nearly 4 years old, you are 6 months and you *** more than anyone I have seen. Grow some nads and learn to fight or join a corp with low sec connections that will protect your lame self. Now listen to the all mighty tough guy who just killed that scary Badger II! Why yes I did, and made about 15 million** from it too. It's how I make a living, by shooting war targets in empire. But I am not above belt raiding either in low sec or 0.0 . privateers still exist? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.15 19:02:00 - [135] every 1 in 0.0 is a pirate.....duh
Kharadran Sullath Caldari IntoXication Inc	Posted - 2007.07.15 19:06:00 - [136] Let's make necroing a punishable offense. ------ --Don't get saucy with me Bernaise!--
Feng Schui Minmatar The Ninja Coalition New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.07.15 19:34:00 - [137] I kind of liked the idea of at least allowing "outlaws" being able to enter high sec space. At least, let them enter high sec, but have to pay a "toll fee" to use the stargates and to dock at stations. And they can be shot on sight ofc. My opinion is my own, not of my corp or my alliance. If you have problems, we can have a "who can do L4 missions faster" duel >:)
Moridin920 Gallente Dust Echoes FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.16 07:29:00 - [138] Edited by: Moridin920 on 16/07/2007 07:32:09 Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2 I would agree it seems to me that there are loads of pirates begging CCP to push empire players into low sec for them to have easy targets all day long, I think the real answer is pushing pirates out to 0.0 atleast in some way. 1( make sec hits count and mean something. No high sec or low sec station should let you dock once you are below -4 status, and you should get bigger sec hits for blowing up ships. This way priates would atleast need to travel to 0.0 to find a station, and low sec will be more dangerous for them as thay can no longer insta dock. 2) remove penalty of taking sec hit when killing pirates. Anyone with -2 or worse = no sec hit when killed in low sec. I think the real answer is just what CCP is doing; ignoring the requests of the pirates. Just like they are ignoring all the carebears who tell CCP they should nerf pirates. Lately it seems like a lot of people have gone from defending their own style of play to aggressively attacking the styles of others. Yeah, I'm a pirate. Yeah, I want more people in low sec so I have more targets. Doesn't mean I want CCP to nerf high sec in some way. Besides we already can't instadock. 30 seconds, remember? Might not seem like a lot to you but when the guy has a friends with recon ships in the system it's a long time to wait. Not letting us dock except for in 0.0 is a little dumb because then we would all be in the small amount of 0.0 that is NPC controlled. We can't just dock in random stations that we don't have docking rights in, and we can't pirate in our own alliance space (if our alliance even has outposts). As for #2, just wait until you are attacked first. If you are actively seeking out the guy with a -3 security rating and kill him, then to me you are deserving of a sec hit; you engaged in an act of piracy yourself, regardless of how much you claim to be an anti-pirate. Really it's not that hard, the first thing he will do is turn the warp scramble on, and then you click your weapons. He isn't going to normally have a full volley of fire on you right off the bat, so don't worry too much about losing that advantage (first thing we do is warp scramble and web if applicable). If he is just starting to fire on you before warp scrambling you, chances are you are going to be dead before you can warp, fight back, or do anything else (instapopping ftw), so don't even worry about killing them, period. =D ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience our piracy may have caused you, but, we are pirates and, sadly, this is our way."
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.18 13:52:00 - [139] Originally by: Feng Schui I kind of liked the idea of at least allowing "outlaws" being able to enter high sec space. At least, let them enter high sec, but have to pay a "toll fee" to use the stargates and to dock at stations. And they can be shot on sight ofc. toll fee that doesnt make sense you dont let criminals walk around just cause they pay up ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Jacques Danton Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.18 16:33:00 - [140] Edited by: Jacques Danton on 18/07/2007 16:39:45 Originally by: Chelone Here's an idea. Make it 100% legal to attack anyone with even the smallest negative concord standing, anywhere in 0.1-0.4. You pirates want us to come to lowsec? Great, take away the security hit we'd take for aggroing you, so we can spank your ass good. Exactly! What sort of non-sense is it to see a pirate that you know will hunt you down but have to wait for him to make the first move (thus engage you when the cirumstances are best for HIM) or suffer a sec hit. What sort of moronity is that? If a pirate sees a Caldari railgun-fitted ship the Caldari is screwed unless he takes the first shot to make use of his range bonuses for example or he can chose to wait to get shot first at a range hardly beneficial for him, as a small example. Additionally - pirates with negative sec rating should NOT be allowed to dock in low-sec stations, why are known criminals allowed to dock in safely to save their sorry ass, definitely not in corporate stations of any sort they shoudn't... The way I see it pirates have it pretty easy - with a bit of rat hunting they dictate rules of engagement or the stupid system penalises you (the carebear) otherwise (i.e. the sec system in low sec space seems to favor the pirates of all people) and they can safely dock and use stations as if nothing happened... total non-sense. I'm all for making a pirate's life "balanced" as in attach a real cost to it - make pirates unable to dock in low-sec stations unless they are non-corporate brothels of sorts, make pirates unable to issue insurance for their ships in corporate stations (which legit corporation would openly deal with known criminals, eh?), make pirates unable to use clone facilities in such stations for the same reason too. Why not having the corporation rating count in as well - if someone is a member of a known pirate organization why should it matter that his security rating is -1.0 for example? If the corporate rating is negative - let people fry the bastards on the spot! If not account-attached penalties make the char-related penalties for choosin the way of the criminal stack up as a price to pay. And to avoid using alts to bypass the whole penalty if every implemented - why not have Concord reduce the sec rating of alts dealing with criminals? A person caught collaborating with proven criminals with a record and otherwise shot on the spot should get their rating reduced as a minimum - make alts usage not that easy! And why is Concord paying criminals for ratting? Would the police pat on the shoulder and pay someone they would gladly blow to pieces if they met personally under different circumstances? Low-sec is ridiculous in many of the ways it's set and I see very little reason to go there unless I have to and usually I don't. Oh, and the local CHAT channel "magic" recon-tool that tells everyone that I've entered the system and exactly who I am, how old my char is and who I work for or that I'm still in the station they saw me enter is a "great" stimulus for me to go to low-sec too... And why hunting somebody with a nice bounty on his head that is not -5.0 should penalize me in ANY way too - bounty hunters are the good guys usually... Criminals in this game are hardly EVER treated as such! Frankly I prefer 0.0 than low-sec as I think that low-sec actually favors the pirates more than the "carebears".
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.18 17:41:00 - [141] relax the idea is that even if you are an antipirate once you start fighting losec the only place to go is 0.0 ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some

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