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Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.18 14:46:00 - [91] Originally by: Gorthauran Bring 0.0 up to 0.5...goodbye low sec o/ We have a winner
Lisento Slaven Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.06.18 14:53:00 - [92] Pirates are already in 0.0, they go there a lot to fix their security status. In fact most of the pirates I know are already in 0.0 alliances! Who would have thought =P --- Put in space whales!
THEGREAT LOBO Infestation.	Posted - 2007.06.18 15:19:00 - [93] why do pirates need to go to 0.0 ? i have done the 0.0 thing and find the whole allinace blob wars boring. i like low sec. i can have smaller gang fights and 1v1s. i can roam and find many ways out of systems if i get blobed. i don't haave to worry about bubbles and such. if there is anything low sec needs its more targets.And maybe some better rats and mins in the belts Pirates are a part of eve ? don't like it ? leave, or come get us your self
Tekeran The Hull Miners Union	Posted - 2007.06.18 15:41:00 - [94] What is this 0.0 you speak of?
Opium Minmatar Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.06.18 15:52:00 - [95] this game isnt for nice ppl. everyhting is bent to grieve steal and or take to be the victor. as far as piwates to o.0 or more ppl to low sec, this will never ever happen. there are the same number of gates into low sec space as there were when only 800 of us played in beta. actually there are more smuggler gates, etc , meant for o.0 conquering than from empire to l;ow sec. about 9 chokeholds over all of eve for ppl to get into low sec, there will never be ppl in low security to poulate those said areas,so pirates will never go to o.0 why? just camp one of the 8 to 10 ways into low sec in eve and ur a perfect piwate. same thing with ur space game, u7 wanna win and grieve all day with a billion bandwagon boys running to ur slave whip join bob. u wanna be a han solo a luke skywalker, be against bob and pets, no hate involved thats the way it is tho. or pick a gate and start piwating
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.09 14:58:00 - [96] Originally by: Tekeran What is this 0.0 you speak of? its where everyone holds hands and there are these big ships that fly that can have entire fleets dock inside them or wipe out entire fleets with 1 big flash ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
milinkoee Bastage Incorporated	Posted - 2007.07.09 16:15:00 - [97] Originally by: Aindrias My issues with pirates are that they have little to lose except ships/isk.. which is so abundant it's not even funny. "OOoooOOooo.. I'm a Piwat in low sec! Pew Pew!.. OHmUhGoD a Big Force! I can't fight that! I need to warp to the nearest Starbase and I'll be safe!" These observations apply just as well to carebears. The problem is their attitude about losing the ships/isk, even though it is "so abundant it's not even funny". But then again, that is what makes them "care"bears. Bastage, Inc. Worst Pirates Ever!!!
milinkoee Bastage Incorporated	Posted - 2007.07.09 16:23:00 - [98] Originally by: Pilok **fly Remove local and pirating in 0.0 could be fun. Now it's just a waste of time, you enter a system, peeps see you and safespot. Best answer yet. If local were removed from at least all 0.0 systems, you would find a resurgence of belt piracy and interest many pirates in 0.0. Bastage, Inc. Worst Pirates Ever!!!
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.07.09 16:31:00 - [99] Originally by: Derovius Vaden its time we fight back with ideas on how to get pirates out of low-sec and into 0.0 Like Syndicate? Originally by: Derovius Vaden where the alliances can destroy them with the rest of the riff-raff. Yeah, any year now. Logoffs
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.09 23:47:00 - [100] Originally by: Opium this game isnt for nice ppl. everyhting is bent to grieve steal and or take to be the victor. as far as piwates to o.0 or more ppl to low sec, this will never ever happen. there are the same number of gates into low sec space as there were when only 800 of us played in beta. actually there are more smuggler gates, etc , meant for o.0 conquering than from empire to l;ow sec. about 9 chokeholds over all of eve for ppl to get into low sec, there will never be ppl in low security to poulate those said areas,so pirates will never go to o.0 why? just camp one of the 8 to 10 ways into low sec in eve and ur a perfect piwate. same thing with ur space game, u7 wanna win and grieve all day with a billion bandwagon boys running to ur slave whip join bob. u wanna be a han solo a luke skywalker, be against bob and pets, no hate involved thats the way it is tho. or pick a gate and start piwating so you are suggesting that 0.0 and low sec both get opened up ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.07.10 00:17:00 - [101] Make the undocking walz impossible with a serious ejection from the station in a somewhat random direction. This alone will be incentive for much of the low sec gankers to wise up and go where there's more to be had from their wicked ways. Also Known As
Felysta Sandorn Caldari System-Lords	Posted - 2007.07.10 00:23:00 - [102] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 11/06/2007 18:19:44 Pirates prey on the weak. No, blobs prey on the weak... Blobs that come from your area of space, generally... Pirates... True pirates of EVE... The few remaining good pirates that I've had the privilege to fly with only search for one thing... The perfect fight... Granted, I prey on the weak as well... If I'm in an Absolution and I scan a cormorant at a belt, I'm not going to pass up the opportunity to kill it. But what I search for, and the reason I lose the ships I lose is because I prefer good fights. A few examples could be taking on a BRUCE blob, starting with odds 3:1 and gaining a few reinforcemts during the fight, making the final tally 2:1 (44 BRUCE, 21 of us, 35 BRUCE killed, 8 of us killed). Taking on a HUZZAH blob today that outnumbered us 4:1, due to communications problems, only leading to one loss I believe and a general retreat. Attacking an Interdictor in my Interceptor, knowing the odds were against me, especially after he called in half a dozen friends... Pirates aren't the bad guys... The bad guys are people like BRUCE, BoB, MC, IAC, GOON, RA... All the big alliances that have no brains and just sit on gates waiting for cheap kills when their screen loads but the other people's don't. Being a pirate generally involves running away from these blobs 90% of the time, and using guerilla tactics to pick off stragglers. Pirates are completely different to all other PvPers in this game because they have brains. Maybe these are just my experiences, but every pirate I've ever flown with (mainly SYLO, CRWS, ENIGMA, 187, members and other related bodies) have had enough know-how within them to be able to lead a fleet when it comes to the crunch. If the FC dies in a gang that I'm in, someone else will take over with ease and know exactly what they're doing. That's what seperates Pirates from other PvPers... Flame away! Latest Video, Click Here!
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.12 23:11:00 - [103] Originally by: Felysta Sandorn Pirates aren't the bad guys... The bad guys are people like BRUCE, BoB, MC, IAC, GOON, RA... All the big alliances that have no brains and just sit on gates waiting for cheap kills when their screen loads but the other people's don't. Being a pirate generally involves running away from these blobs 90% of the time, and using guerilla tactics to pick off stragglers. Pirates are completely different to all other PvPers in this game because they have brains. Maybe these are just my experiences, but every pirate I've ever flown with (mainly SYLO, CRWS, ENIGMA, 187, members and other related bodies) have had enough know-how within them to be able to lead a fleet when it comes to the crunch. If the FC dies in a gang that I'm in, someone else will take over with ease and know exactly what they're doing. That's what seperates Pirates from other PvPers... Flame away! oh so you are suggesting we entice pirates to go after the alliances! i love this idea ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Fault24x Minmatar Twilight Void	Posted - 2007.07.13 00:05:00 - [104] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 11/06/2007 18:19:44 Pirates prey on the weak. There you have it.
Thor Xian EarthForce E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.07.13 00:23:00 - [105] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Pirates are constantly posting with ideas on how to get the majority of the EVE player population out of high-sec and into low-sec. As one of these "normal" players, its time we fight back with ideas on how to get pirates out of low-sec and into 0.0 where the alliances can destroy them with the rest of the riff-raff. Suggestions? Mr Derovius Vaden version 15.98a Hi sec is safety net space. Low sec is pirate space. 0.0 is alliance space. It's a progressive scale of implied risk vs intended reward. PS: Read it left to right. ____________________________________________ ~Admiral Thor Xian, Strategic Operations Commander Meet the Overlord
Chelone	Posted - 2007.07.13 00:57:00 - [106] Here's an idea. Make it 100% legal to attack anyone with even the smallest negative concord standing, anywhere in 0.1-0.4. You pirates want us to come to lowsec? Great, take away the security hit we'd take for aggroing you, so we can spank your ass good.
Devinator	Posted - 2007.07.13 01:01:00 - [107] Train combat skills and go kill them
Martin Mckenna D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.13 01:30:00 - [108] Originally by: NightmareX Originally by: Baccala Tbh, INFOD is big enough to be able to fight against whatever alliance in EVE. Nothing scares us I think that a bit of an overstatement. The alliances in Geminate are a total diffrent ball game to the big southern alliances.
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.07.13 01:52:00 - [109] Originally by: Chelone Here's an idea. Make it 100% legal to attack anyone with even the smallest negative concord standing, anywhere in 0.1-0.4. You pirates want us to come to lowsec? Great, take away the security hit we'd take for aggroing you, so we can spank your ass good. The idea has been proposed a lot, and I like it well enough for what it is. But I don't believe the fear of security hits is the main thing holding back hordes of people from invading LoSec and...spanking pirate asses, or whatever it is you're fantasizing about. It'd be an improvement though. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
SiJira	Posted - 2007.07.13 13:01:00 - [110] Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Originally by: Chelone Here's an idea. Make it 100% legal to attack anyone with even the smallest negative concord standing, anywhere in 0.1-0.4. You pirates want us to come to lowsec? Great, take away the security hit we'd take for aggroing you, so we can spank your ass good. The idea has been proposed a lot, and I like it well enough for what it is. But I don't believe the fear of security hits is the main thing holding back hordes of people from invading LoSec and...spanking pirate asses, or whatever it is you're fantasizing about. It'd be an improvement though. you would be surprised - some people cherish their + standings ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
Bloodangle Minmatar Bastage Incorporated	Posted - 2007.07.13 13:34:00 - [111] Edited by: Bloodangle on 13/07/2007 13:34:09 Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Originally by: Chelone Here's an idea. Make it 100% legal to attack anyone with even the smallest negative concord standing, anywhere in 0.1-0.4. You pirates want us to come to lowsec? Great, take away the security hit we'd take for aggroing you, so we can spank your ass good. The idea has been proposed a lot, and I like it well enough for what it is. But I don't believe the fear of security hits is the main thing holding back hordes of people from invading LoSec and...spanking pirate asses, or whatever it is you're fantasizing about. It'd be an improvement though. you would be surprised - some people cherish their + standings Total BS. 90% of the "pirates" out there are below -5. It takes like two nights of podding folks to get to this level, within the week you are at -10. So there is no real issue with pirate hunting and sec hits.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.13 14:07:00 - [112] Well I posted this once.. Will try again. To balance low sec, everyone agrees it need more rewards, but they need to be different form 0.0. Or people would simply go to 0.0 where is safer. I say.. remove the current bounty system, and add an automatic legitimate bounty system. Players killing in Ammar low sec, receive bounties paid by Ammar agents. make that with a sizeable value to attract bounty hunters. Also you cannot get this rewards if you have negative security or have killed any non outlaw inlast X days. Mostly important. You stay in outlaw status for 24 hours after killing a non outlaw!. Sentries stop firing you after the 15 minutes. But any other player can kill you without loosing sec status. The results would be, possibility of organization being formed in low sec, with defense groups and bounty hunters capable of hunting pirates without the problem of loosing security. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
acompton Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.07.13 14:30:00 - [113] The thing about pirates is, well, they DON'T go where you want them to or act like you want them to... So good luck on this.
EscapeArtist Caldari Deviance Inc Karnal Knowledge	Posted - 2007.07.13 15:02:00 - [114] What constantly surprises me is people think they need to fix pirating and low sector. The game mechanics are designed to make pirating a career path and low sec enables this. What I donÆt get it how so many care bears think pirates are somehow corrupting the game. To be honest, I havenÆt had this much fun while playing EvE since coming to low sector and getting some pew pew. Deviance Inc. û Making your life in low sec very short!
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.13 15:06:00 - [115] By fixing low sec most people mean increase population. That is good for pirates! Low sec ia n pain in the rear bottom exactly because is semi desertic. It needs reason for people to go there. It need a constant comerce /industry to spupply pirates with targets and bounty hunters to keep pirates under a balanced control. The perfect low sec would feel a bit like old west form movies. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.07.13 15:21:00 - [116] Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Originally by: Chelone Here's an idea. Make it 100% legal to attack anyone with even the smallest negative concord standing, anywhere in 0.1-0.4. You pirates want us to come to lowsec? Great, take away the security hit we'd take for aggroing you, so we can spank your ass good. The idea has been proposed a lot, and I like it well enough for what it is. But I don't believe the fear of security hits is the main thing holding back hordes of people from invading LoSec and...spanking pirate asses, or whatever it is you're fantasizing about. It'd be an improvement though. you would be surprised - some people cherish their + standings Yes. But I think they tend to cherish their time, ships, and iskies even more. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.07.13 15:24:00 - [117] Originally by: Bloodangle Edited by: Bloodangle on 13/07/2007 13:34:09 Originally by: SiJira Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Originally by: Chelone Here's an idea. Make it 100% legal to attack anyone with even the smallest negative concord standing, anywhere in 0.1-0.4. You pirates want us to come to lowsec? Great, take away the security hit we'd take for aggroing you, so we can spank your ass good. The idea has been proposed a lot, and I like it well enough for what it is. But I don't believe the fear of security hits is the main thing holding back hordes of people from invading LoSec and...spanking pirate asses, or whatever it is you're fantasizing about. It'd be an improvement though. you would be surprised - some people cherish their + standings Total BS. 90% of the "pirates" out there are below -5. It takes like two nights of podding folks to get to this level, within the week you are at -10. So there is no real issue with pirate hunting and sec hits. Shouldn't be a problem to implement then, should it? But seriously, the idea that almost every pirate is a permanent blinky is laughable. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Bloodangle Minmatar Bastage Incorporated 1 Shot 1 Kill	Posted - 2007.07.13 15:37:00 - [118] Edited by: Bloodangle on 13/07/2007 15:38:43 Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Shouldn't be a problem to implement then, should it? But seriously, the idea that almost every pirate is a permanent blinky is laughable. How so? Anyone that actually pirates is -5 in no time. If they would need to spend 10-20x as much time ratting their sec rating up as pirating to keep it above -5. I have never seen such pirates. The "yellows" (-4.9 to -0.1) that I see in low sec are new to pirating and quickly become -5 and below or are anti-pi's or alliance gangs bored and roaming, but not "pirates". The sec hit excuse is just that, a lame excuse used by those affraid to risk their ships and put their isk'ies where their mouths are. Someone in another thread on the subject just made the point (with tips) on how easy it is to actually live in low sec. I was a hauler/trader running the low sec ganks supplying t2 goodies on the fringes of 0.0 the first few months in the game. I got ganked a total of 2 times in the first year, and in three years haven't lost another ship and was never podded on my hauler alt (used to consider that char my main). I the difference is that I learned from both ganks what I did wrong and adapted. It is laughably simple to fly safe in low sec if you take the time to learn the tricks. I must admit, having a pirate character and learning how the pirates operate made my life as a trader in low sec a lot easier. BTW, I have no issue allowing anyone with any -.0.1 or lower being fair game in low sec. Would make it a lot easier on pirates when the anti-pies or noob pirates try to move into your system.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.13 16:23:00 - [119] If you don't kill pods your sec don't go so fast down. And I really see no gain in killing the Pods (out of alliance warfare wehre attritioning teh enemy is the final goal). If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.07.13 19:25:00 - [120] Originally by: Audri Fisher Originally by: Gorthauran Bring 0.0 up to 0.5...goodbye low sec o/ We have a winner Could be fun to basically make all of low-sec similar to Syndicate. ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos

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