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Janu Hull Caldari Order of Z Industries	Posted - 2007.06.11 19:55:00 - [31] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Originally by: Fink Angel Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 11/06/2007 18:19:44 Pirates prey on the weak. OMG, is that Ron Jeremy dressed as Mario in your sig? You scare me! (Plus I've now got that Mario "Itsa me, Mario" phrase from the N64 game going around and around in my head. Aaaargh!) Sweet, my job is done! Always liked MC sigs.
NightmareX Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.11 19:59:00 - [32] Originally by: Slayton Ford Originally by: NightmareX Tbh, INFOD is big enough to be able to fight against whatever alliance in EVE. Nothing scares us I really wonder how true this is as I see INFOD harrasing Smash/RK in the north rather then BoB in the south. This holds true to many pirate corps/alliances. How many pirate corps/alliances raid Delve/Querious/Fountain rather then Geminate/Scalding Pass/Catch? Hehe, i can't say now if we will go down to Delve or the area around there, but if we do, then you better be ready for a fight, and i mean ready for a very good fight. We are changing regions sometimes, so we might end up in a region looong long way from where we are now. Infinitus Odium - We Are The Bringers Of Hatred
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:03:00 - [33] Edited by: Aindrias on 11/06/2007 20:03:24 Originally by: Selene Fenestre Edited by: Selene Fenestre on 11/06/2007 19:00:48 Edited by: Selene Fenestre on 11/06/2007 19:00:01 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Pirates are not being punished for being -10 flying around empire space, even if said empire space is on the outer fringes. I suspect its actually a lot harder than you realise being -10 in Empire. Edit: Having comma issues today :-/ So is this guy Linkage Anyways... My issues with pirates are that they have little to lose except ships/isk.. which is so abundant it's not even funny. "OOoooOOooo.. I'm a Piwat in low sec! Pew Pew!.. OHmUhGoD a Big Force! I can't fight that! I need to warp to the nearest Starbase and I'll be safe!" Eh.. no answers, just an observation See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:11:00 - [34] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Major Stormer Edited by: Major Stormer on 11/06/2007 17:29:57 You are just a horrible little troll. You said yourself you never go to low sec, how about you shut your ***** little gob and keep your trap out of chat about places where you never visit! Had a bad day? yes....sorry for my above post, but indeed I have had a **TY day in RL heh. --------- Its just a game. Get over yourselfs. www.eve-tribune.com Dont get too excited now.
Sereifex Daku	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:20:00 - [35] I find the OP's question kind of weird as I believe that piracy can not exist in 0.0 as 0.0 is lawless. Whenever I see a player break the rules of a 0.0 alliance, I simply regard that as guerilla warfare.
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:21:00 - [36] Quote: My issues with pirates are that they have little to lose except ships/isk.. which is so abundant it's not even funny. "OOoooOOooo.. I'm a Piwat in low sec! Pew Pew!.. OHmUhGoD a Big Force! I can't fight that! I need to warp to the nearest Starbase and I'll be safe!" Eh.. no answers, just an observation I personally am nowhere near being rich. May I ask you, would you stick around when being ganked pointlessly? Commen sense dude, use it. --------- Its just a game. Get over yourselfs. www.eve-tribune.com Dont get too excited now.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:22:00 - [37] Originally by: Sereifex Daku I find the OP's question kind of weird as I believe that piracy can not exist in 0.0 as 0.0 is lawless. Whenever I see a player break the rules of a 0.0 alliance, I simply regard that as guerilla warfare. Thats why pirates should be in 0.0, its lawless; real pirates hid beyond the reach of the local Empire. They didn't hide on the island next door and shout "yarr" at the ships that passed too close.
Malcore Trisus Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:25:00 - [38] Originally by: Slayton Ford Originally by: NightmareX Tbh, INFOD is big enough to be able to fight against whatever alliance in EVE. Nothing scares us I really wonder how true this is as I see INFOD harrasing Smash/RK in the north rather then BoB in the south. This holds true to many pirate corps/alliances. How many pirate corps/alliances raid Delve/Querious/Fountain rather then Geminate/Scalding Pass/Catch? After the fall of LV, S******dly (Pandemic Legion) operated in Delve for other a month before campaigning in Fountain for two months.
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:28:00 - [39] Actually, there are more LAW in 0.0 than in empire... Its just players enforcing it, not Concordooken It's great being Amarr isn't it.
Aindrias Amarr Fomus-Amarr Industrial Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.06.11 20:38:00 - [40] Originally by: Major Stormer Quote: My issues with pirates are that they have little to lose except ships/isk.. which is so abundant it's not even funny. "OOoooOOooo.. I'm a Piwat in low sec! Pew Pew!.. OHmUhGoD a Big Force! I can't fight that! I need to warp to the nearest Starbase and I'll be safe!" Eh.. no answers, just an observation I personally am nowhere near being rich. May I ask you, would you stick around when being ganked pointlessly? Commen sense dude, use it. I don't stick around either, but you miss the point, I should have been more clear... Pirate in low sec warps to station to avoid big force.. the getting away isn't the issue. It's the "Station" part that's the issue. We can't get you there. If I'm in my home system and I run back to my POS because I'm getting attacked by a superior force (broad hypothetical situation).. it's different bcause my POS can be destroyed and that's that. Maybe you don't like POS war or don't have the capability to do it, but that's not the games fault, it's the pirate not wanting to go that far. Pirates generally have no base of operations that we can destroy or hunt down and losing a ship means nothing. Oh and on being rich... I've heard of too many using a mining alts to just make oodles of money and give it to their main pirate character. Also, with insurance the way it is, you rarely have expend much money to get your ship back to order and with hauler ganking (no the empire suicide, also I have no problem with ganking in general in low/no sec) you should/would make a tidy sum. See what you can do with Paintbrush?
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.11 21:16:00 - [41] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Sereifex Daku I find the OP's question kind of weird as I believe that piracy can not exist in 0.0 as 0.0 is lawless. Whenever I see a player break the rules of a 0.0 alliance, I simply regard that as guerilla warfare. Thats why pirates should be in 0.0, its lawless; real pirates hid beyond the reach of the local Empire. They didn't hide on the island next door and shout "yarr" at the ships that passed too close. How can you be a criminal in a place with no laws? Not that I'm saying that pirates shouldn't be in 0.0 or anything. All I'm saying is that RL historic pirates operated well in to nationally claimed waters, because thats where the money was. The Caribbean for example was pretty much all claimed by someone or other, and pirates pottered around there at their leisure. Its like trying to claim you don't get muggers in big cities where law is enforced, only out in Antarctica where there is no law. --------
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.11 21:20:00 - [42] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Sereifex Daku I find the OP's question kind of weird as I believe that piracy can not exist in 0.0 as 0.0 is lawless. Whenever I see a player break the rules of a 0.0 alliance, I simply regard that as guerilla warfare. Thats why pirates should be in 0.0, its lawless; real pirates hid beyond the reach of the local Empire. They didn't hide on the island next door and shout "yarr" at the ships that passed too close. How can you be a criminal in a place with no laws? Not that I'm saying that pirates shouldn't be in 0.0 or anything. All I'm saying is that RL historic pirates operated well in to nationally claimed waters, because thats where the money was. The Caribbean for example was pretty much all claimed by someone or other, and pirates pottered around there at their leisure. Its like trying to claim you don't get muggers in big cities where law is enforced, only out in Antarctica where there is no law. The exact same way that a Spanish court can find US CIA agents guilty for crimes, even while they still live in the US. Technically speaking, I'm sure that Americans could be considered traitors to the Crown if they entered the UK. Though, it would not bode well for international relations if the Britons tried to enforce this.
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.11 21:23:00 - [43] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Sereifex Daku I find the OP's question kind of weird as I believe that piracy can not exist in 0.0 as 0.0 is lawless. Whenever I see a player break the rules of a 0.0 alliance, I simply regard that as guerilla warfare. Thats why pirates should be in 0.0, its lawless; real pirates hid beyond the reach of the local Empire. They didn't hide on the island next door and shout "yarr" at the ships that passed too close. How can you be a criminal in a place with no laws? Not that I'm saying that pirates shouldn't be in 0.0 or anything. All I'm saying is that RL historic pirates operated well in to nationally claimed waters, because thats where the money was. The Caribbean for example was pretty much all claimed by someone or other, and pirates pottered around there at their leisure. Its like trying to claim you don't get muggers in big cities where law is enforced, only out in Antarctica where there is no law. The exact same way that a Spanish court can find US CIA agents guilty for crimes, even while they still live in the US. Technically speaking, I'm sure that Americans could be considered traitors to the Crown if they entered the UK. Though, it would not bode well for international relations if the Britons tried to enforce this. ok, I can put up with a lot of what you say....but...how did you work that out? --------- Its just a game. Get over yourselfs. www.eve-tribune.com Dont get too excited now.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.11 21:27:00 - [44] Originally by: Major Stormer ok, I can put up with a lot of what you say....but...how did you work that out? I don't remember the Crown ever pardoning the Americas for treason, do you?
Major Stormer Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.11 21:32:00 - [45] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Major Stormer ok, I can put up with a lot of what you say....but...how did you work that out? I don't remember the Crown ever pardoning the Americas for treason, do you? For starters, real life politics= nono here. For second, the USA is now a seperate country, the "treason" was ended with the end of the war, which resulted in the founding of the USA, which as I mentioned is a serperate country, and one that cannot commit treason against the UK as they are not the same country under the same ruler. Now, on topic, will you please stop posting? I cant decide if your a alt just trolling or if you have a real cruside against pirates, but if you wish to be taking seriously, enough with the forums and take your "war against pirate" ingame. --------- Its just a game. Get over yourselfs. www.eve-tribune.com Dont get too excited now.
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.06.11 21:35:00 - [46] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Pirates are constantly posting with ideas on how to get the majority of the EVE player population out of high-sec and into low-sec. As one of these "normal" players, its time we fight back with ideas on how to get pirates out of low-sec and into 0.0 where the alliances can destroy them with the rest of the riff-raff. Suggestions? ** your alliances. Originally by:** Splagada SEED ME DADDY Down with alts! One character per account per IP!
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.11 21:41:00 - [47] Originally by: Major Stormer Now, on topic, will you please stop posting? I cant decide if your a alt just trolling or if you have a real cruside against pirates, but if you wish to be taking seriously, enough with the forums and take your "war against pirate" ingame. But we aren't talking politics, Stormer my friend, we are talking history. And no, I won't stop posting; pirates are a serious problem for EVE, and the game will not get better until their method of enjoyment is properly put in its place; out in 0.0. Back on topic, any country can find you guilty of crimes, regardless of your citizenship. Security status is just that, how likely the local alliance will find you guilty of piracy and treat you accordingly. Just because you're not standing in their house, but rather on the lawn, doesn't mean you're being an outlaw. For such a title, you should be out of their reach in 0.0, or face harsh punishment for your deviancy.
Zhett Haukes kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.11 21:47:00 - [48] Edited by: Zhett Haukes on 11/06/2007 21:45:39 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Major Stormer pirates are EVE, Fixed for you. Seriously, without piracy, what is the point of a lot of the game? Victims and pirates alike.
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.11 21:48:00 - [49] Originally by: Zhett Haukes Edited by: Zhett Haukes on 11/06/2007 21:45:39 Originally by: Major Stormer pirates are EVE, Fixed for you. Seriously, without piracy, what is the point of a lot of the game? Victims and pirates alike. To make more and more money until you get bored, and leave. Like all other games out there.
Pilok Shitfly Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.11 22:00:00 - [50] Originally by: Derovius Vaden And no, I won't stop posting; pirates are a serious problem for EVE, and the game will not get better until their method of enjoyment is properly put in its place; out in 0.0. You are trolling and there's no place for trolls in eve, go back to wow
Derovius Vaden	Posted - 2007.06.11 22:01:00 - [51] Originally by: Pilok **fly Originally by: Derovius Vaden And no, I won't stop posting; pirates are a serious problem for EVE, and the game will not get better until their method of enjoyment is properly put in its place; out in 0.0. You are trolling and there's no place for trolls in eve, go back to wow If you don't like what I have to say, get out to 0.0. I promise I won't follow.
Zhett Haukes kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.11 22:02:00 - [52] Edited by: Zhett Haukes on 11/06/2007 22:01:27 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Zhett Haukes Edited by: Zhett Haukes on 11/06/2007 21:45:39 Originally by: Major Stormer pirates are EVE, Fixed for you. Seriously, without piracy, what is the point of a lot of the game? Victims and pirates alike. To make more and more money until you get bored, and leave. Like all other games out there. I feel for you if that is all you get out of the game, maybe it isn't for you.
Pilok Shitfly Minmatar	Posted - 2007.06.11 22:04:00 - [53] Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Pilok **fly Originally by: Derovius Vaden And no, I won't stop posting; pirates are a serious problem for EVE, and the game will not get better until their method of enjoyment is properly put in its place; out in 0.0. You are trolling and there's no place for trolls in eve, go back to wow If you don't like what I have to say, get out to 0.0. I promise I won't follow. I believe you. You would wait for me with your blob
Sen Goku Es and Whizz Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2007.06.11 22:20:00 - [54] I don't understand all these whines about lowsec piracy. There are no bubbles, no dictors..what the hell are people moaning about?
Sgt Blade Save Yourself Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.11 22:34:00 - [55] firstly you get alot of cookies and leave a trail of them from low sec leading into deep 0.0... once the trail; ends they should be all full and tired taht they will not be bothered to fly back Hypnotic Pelvic Thrusting Level 5
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.11 22:40:00 - [56] I can't decide if the OP is trolling, or is just that stupid. Because I said so...
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.11 22:47:00 - [57] Edited by: Patch86 on 11/06/2007 22:45:41 Originally by: Derovius Vaden Originally by: Major Stormer Now, on topic, will you please stop posting? I cant decide if your a alt just trolling or if you have a real cruside against pirates, but if you wish to be taking seriously, enough with the forums and take your "war against pirate" ingame. But we aren't talking politics, Stormer my friend, we are talking history. And no, I won't stop posting; pirates are a serious problem for EVE, and the game will not get better until their method of enjoyment is properly put in its place; out in 0.0. Back on topic, any country can find you guilty of crimes, regardless of your citizenship. Security status is just that, how likely the local alliance will find you guilty of piracy and treat you accordingly. Just because you're not standing in their house, but rather on the lawn, doesn't mean you're being an outlaw. For such a title, you should be out of their reach in 0.0, or face harsh punishment for your deviancy. I appreciate what you're saying, but outlaw is probably not a terribly suitable synonym for "pirate". An outlaw is not a criminal, by definition. In old English common law, an outlaw was someone a judge has declared "outside of the law" for their crimes- literally meaning that they were not afforded legal protection. In other words, you could kill an outlaw without being charged with murder. You could steal from an outlaw without being charged with theft. In EVE, an outlaw is literally someone with a security rating low enough that CONCORD won't protect them in high-sec any more (I forget exactly what that level is, but all -10's are it, obviously). Piracy, on the other hand, is simply the act of destroying someone's ship for profit (dictionary definition is literally "one who robs or plunders at or from sea, without the permission of a sovereign"). You can commit an act of piracy anywhere; indeed, it'd be much easier to commit an act of piracy in the busy backwaters of someone's national territory, than out in the middle of unclaimed nowhere. There's no logical reason a pirate (or an outlaw, for that matter) should be out in lawless space any more than they should be in lawful space. --------
Vladimir Ilych Gradient	Posted - 2007.06.11 22:53:00 - [58] To OP : Pirates belong in low sec. That is their home / hunting ground. I am anti-pirate but they are a cruical part of Eve. Don't like it? Don't go there.
Cailais Amarr VITOC	Posted - 2007.06.11 23:11:00 - [59] The irony of this is, if low sec status pilots were'nt banned from high sec you'd see a lot less piwates in low sec. "EH"? - Simple really, at any given time a given % of piwates would be just mulling around high sec shopping, doing missions and well...stuff: the concentration of piwates in low sec is mainly because they've got no where else to go. Piwates are just small corps who like pvp but don't want the blob warfare and the tedium of refueling POSes thing. C. - sig designer - eve mail
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Academy Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.12 00:16:00 - [60] Originally by: Baccala Pirates can't beat alliances, they don't have space or resources to stay in 0.0, so they sit on the edge and dec wars, gank those going into 0.0... always having that safe jump back to low sec. It's the law of the pirate... the safest and laziest tactics to grief your opponent. Low sec is full of scraps... it stinks there, it reaks of rat droppings that aren't worth your time and effort. Low sec rewards suck for nearly being at the same risk of 0.0. Let the pirates own it... cuz no one else wants it. Ahhhh.....hahahahahaha No...wait... Hahahahahahaha Thread winner "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA

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