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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:11:00 -
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span style= font-size:7pt i Edited by: Xicon on 18/06/2007 15:25:45 /i /span br Why is there a cost for EVE TV? The team here at MMM Publishing has been in the planning stages of the new EVE TV weekly show for more than eight months now. As Xyliana has stated in her a href= http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=478 target= _blank http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=478 /a Dev Blog, we are going pro!
We have been recruiting experts in many fields such as set designers, make-up artists, sound engineers, technicians, graphic animators, 3d artists, studio technicians and not to mention the pretty co-hosts and presenters.
We are also hiring a state-of-the-art ú11 million studio in which we will film every week. WeÆve already had Hellmar in there for an exclusive interview (coming up in the first show), and his reaction to what he saw was æawesomeÆ.
We will be bringing you an entertaining and informative show on a weekly basis. All about EVE, all about you. We will also be flying our roving presenters to player meets all round the world, in time.
We have tried to keep the cost to you, the player, to its absolute bare minimum while still delivering a quality in-depth show full of news, entertainment and variety. What we canÆt avoid though is the fact that all this time, effort and manpower costs money.
So, EVE TV, the new weekly show which is broadcast as from 11.00GMT every Saturday and available on demand thereafter, will cost to view. Not a lot, in reality, but it will cost. There are three viewing options, dependant on your bandwidth limitations or your desire for higher streaming quality. We have teamed up with Jalipo, who has done a stunning job working in consultation with Adobe to bring to life the best rich-media experience you can get on the web, using an embedded Flash 9 player in the EVE TV website (www.eve-online.tv). You register just the once, purchase J:Credits (you get 200 free to start you off), and youÆre away.
You can view EVE TV at 250k for just 4.25 J:Credits per minute, at 500k for 4.5 J:Credits per minute or at 1Mb for 5 J:Credits per minute. Your credits are stored in your account, and you only spend them when youÆre viewing. It is our intention that EVE TVÆs weekly show will be in the region of 45 minutes, which translates to a viewing cost of $1.91 for the low-bandwidth version to $2.25 for the 1Mb version.
Why no WMP version? For a venture such as this, it is important to select the method that is going to give the widest number of people the best experience. WMP is simply unsuitable for what we are doing here. We will be looking at different methods of distribution, but for the time being, our extensive tests have proved that the Flash Player really does provide the best experience. It is smooth and seamless.
But back to the show. Plan on kicking back come downtime this coming Saturday, and witness the birth of the latest in gaming media. The new EVE TV is going to be great.
Publisher, E-ON http://www.eve-online.com/eon/
Issue #007 Now Shipping
Back Issues Available (www.mmmpublishing.com for content list)
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:13:00 -
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Good luck, I think you will need it. Like Eve-Voice an unneeded service IMO.
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Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
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Jake Stevens
The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:13:00 -
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Oooh, sounds neat.
$ = dollars right? Yay for a sucky dollar 
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Xicon
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Jake Stevens
Oooh, sounds neat.
$ = dollars right? Yay for a sucky dollar
yep - correct (or the equivalent in pounds or euros dependant on where you live
Publisher, E-ON http://www.eve-online.com/eon/
Issue #007 Now Shipping
Back Issues Available (www.mmmpublishing.com for content list)
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EVETV Xyliana
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:17:00 -
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if you have any concerns you like to throw at me live you can do so On the Live Dev Blog Q
EVE TV Website
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:29:00 -
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Like the guy says - good luck. I have big doubts over its viabilty though - pay to watch someoen else play eve?
SKUNK
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CCP kieron
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:30:00 -
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We are experiencing some technical difficulties with the forums, not EVE TV. To view more information about EVE TV, please read Xyliana's Dev Blog, http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=478.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online, CCP Games
Email/Netfang
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Matthew Cooper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.18 15:50:00 -
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Edited by: Matthew Cooper on 18/06/2007 15:52:16
I was excited and quite willing to pay until I read the word "streaming".
But you won't see me paying for your show, no matter the quality (content and visually) until I can download a file that lives on my computer, and in a format that I can play on my Apple TV (or something I could transcode and import into iTunes for that purpose).
If only we could live in a magical universe where small producers like yourselves could sell your content on the iTunes store or something similar. 
-Irony-
[ 2007.06.13 23:37:00 ] Ginger Magician > THEY Wont ban me
[ 2007.06.13 23:37:03 ] Ginger Magician > i am too famous
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Gridcrash
Redline Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:04:00 -
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Get it into iTunes and I'll pay $2.50 a pop for it. I'm not signing up for another service, and I dislike streaming video. If you can't get it into iTunes, then I suggest a subscription based compilation DVD, or something delivered with EON.
-Grid
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Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:07:00 -
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I have too agree, Good luck because you will need it
Just another give us money for some small streaming
EVETV was great before you had to pay, now it not just about the people who play eve its about profit.
I for one will not be watching
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Cypherous
Minmatar
Liberty Rogues
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:10:00 -
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No offense but wasn't that the same company that made a complete mess of the EVETV alliance tourny event broadcast?
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Wardog 1
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:11:00 -
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As mentioned above, good luck, I'd be impressed if you got half the numbers you did last time, and thats taking into account the increased publicity of evetv this year.
Honestly, a low quality show for free is better than a show with fancy studios and extra specialists which will cost money.
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Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Wardog 1
As mentioned above, good luck, I'd be impressed if you got half the numbers you did last time, and thats taking into account the increased publicity of evetv this year.
Honestly, a low quality show for free is better than a show with fancy studios and extra specialists which will cost money.
but its about profit guys, this is all there after these days, how things have changed 
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Odinegras
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:13:00 -
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No offense but what a waste of time and money! Hope all goes well for you. 45minutes of Online TV when the server is usually down for only 30minutes on a saturday anyway. $2.25 a week that nearly totals a monthly subscription when added together. I might as well spend the money better on a third account.
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Sharessa
Humpin' Ho's of Hoboken
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:20:00 -
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However rudely some may phrase it, we all are genuinely happy that you are trying to provide us a better & wider ranging experience. We really do appreciate it.
But......I have to agree with the majority. I will not be paying for the service as I also see it as unneeded.
I do however, hope our opinions are wrong and you are extremely successful. Good luck!
Happy Humpin'!
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Ginger Tom
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:20:00 -
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pay for game, pay for voice now pay for tv, whats next!
I for one will not be using it, One of eves good points was its one price, no costly exspansions.
Seems to me you will be moving into this sector with all these "EXTRAS" and only the well paid will get all the benefits of eve.
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Nicho Void
Gallente
Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:26:00 -
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Respectfully adding my voice for those care: I will not be paying to watch.
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Nesa
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:27:00 -
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It's a stretch to pay for something like this, but to end up with it streaming and given my lifetime of bad experiences with streaming content... no thanks. I'll go buy a DVD of something else to watch while playing eve.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:40:00 -
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I will pay once and see if I think its worth the money.
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
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J Ripper
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:42:00 -
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chances are someone will pay and watch it, then it will be plastered all over yourtube (or alike) for everyone to see 
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HURRRRRRRRRRRR
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:48:00 -
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God damn it, Spiral is one sexy beast. I would easily pay double that amount just to see Spiral. That meagre price for EveTV is a bargain given that you will in fact be seeing the one and only SpiralJunkie. In fact, right now Spiral is my main reason for being alive.
Spiral, I love you.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:53:00 -
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I realize the cost is very low. I can't -really- complain about that, but can't you just cover it by running ads? I'm sure you can find a market.
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If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO
BOOO!! - Ductoris
Neat look what I found - Kreul
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SHC Derek
We Know Derek
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:56:00 -
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People will always complain about paying money for something. So long as you don't suck and the people that are curious like what they see, I'm sure the naysayers will eventually sign up so they don't miss out.
I here by declare this service to be Derek Approved!
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StevieSG
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:57:00 -
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Edited by: StevieSG on 18/06/2007 16:56:17
Originally by: HURRRRRRRRRRRR
God damn it, Spiral is one sexy beast. I would easily pay double that amount just to see Spiral. That meagre price for EveTV is a bargain given that you will in fact be seeing the one and only SpiralJunkie. In fact, right now Spiral is my main reason for being alive.
Spiral, I love you.
Yeah.. don't do drugs people... this is what happens.
A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation.
MOLI+RE, L'Etourdi
http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
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Fidder McBeefy
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Posted - 2007.06.18 16:58:00 -
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HAI GUIZ HAZ NE1 SEEN MI BRO?
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Cikster
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:01:00 -
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Seeing as you are still using Jalipo like you did for the last tournament (which could only watch a part off since it was always BUFFERING) and the fact that Jalipo themselfes even use the word Beta next to theyr products name I must say that i¦m not going to pay for this service (like i¦m not paying for Eve Voice).
Good luck with trying to make money on it but know this, if you are going to try and sell a product it¦s not a good idea to use something people have already been let down by. |
SHC Derek
We Know Derek
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:02:00 -
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Free trial. Theres a FREE TRIAL! I don't see why everyones making judgements without even trying the product 
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clone 1
Caldari
The Short Bus Squad
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:03:00 -
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Edited by: clone 1 on 18/06/2007 17:02:12
I like boobies!
But seriously, judging from the the eve-tv site it looks very slick and professonal. But even at that I think I will be giving this a pass.
The last time EVE-TV and money was mentioned, boobies also came into the conversation.
Linkage
Always Moaning About Race Retardations |
Leena Raphael
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:11:00 -
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I'm gobsmacked, I really am.
I can't believe the amount of whingeing that's going on here. For the first time (AFAIK) an MMO is getting it's own dedicated online TV show, and all you're doing is moaning?!
Jees people, get a grip.
Why shouldn't MMM charge for this AND make a profit? They're putting work into it, they deserve to get paid. At least watch the damn free trial before stamping your feet in a hissy fit.
Saying all that, a downloadable version would be a lot better than streamed, so we could watch it anywhere & keep it.
Personally, I'm looking forward to it & good luck to everyone at EVE TV. 
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Threv Echandari
Caldari
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:11:00 -
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What?!?!
Sorry Not paying for EveTV, and I am certainly not paying for Streaming Content..no matter how well produced it may be. Especially If I can't keep it on my Drive I'm not paying. EON Magazine... thats cool but Media on the internet? Come on...I know all gods chillens gots to make a buck (err Kroner) but this is just ****ing money away.
(Note when you Start Charging for EVE-Voice I will shut that off too... Nobody I know likes or uses it (Sorry free TeamSpeak is too compelling)
What marketing Guru showed you the Powerpoint charts that sold you this Idea? I would rather you spend the money on the game itself or making Eve-Voice permanently free (to entice more users). But as an enhanced revenue stream I think this one will not last long.
You'd have better luck selling it to G4 Tech TV...
Threv
That's life. Some people run X accounts. With a better PC. And a faster GFX card. And on a faster network connection. While their wife brings them beer. From the fridge on their yacht.
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Chronus26
Gallente
Team Laser Explosion
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:13:00 -
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Edited by: Chronus26 on 18/06/2007 17:11:45
I'm as reluctant to spend my money as the next person, but I think this is atleast worth watching once. Not as if $2.25 (ú1.10) is that much to splash out.
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Fidder McBeefy
Curtains.
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Fidder McBeefy on 18/06/2007 17:21:06
Originally by: StevieSG
Edited by: StevieSG on 18/06/2007 17:12:51
Edited by: StevieSG on 18/06/2007 17:08:08
*shifts uncomfortably to the corner*
No nudity... not from my side anyways.. *looks to spiral*
come here and fiddle me beef
EDIT: ISD ARE TRYING TO SHUT DOWN THE FIDDLER! HALP HALP!
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Vando
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: StevieSG
*shifts uncomfortably to the corner*
No nudity... not from my side anyways.. *looks to spiral*
If we pay, can you guarantee no nudity from spiral? This is of much concern to me in my uptake of this product!
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StevieSG
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:19:00 -
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Edited by: StevieSG on 18/06/2007 17:21:06
Originally by: Fidder McBeefy
Originally by: StevieSG
Edited by: StevieSG on 18/06/2007 17:12:51
Edited by: StevieSG on 18/06/2007 17:08:08
*shifts uncomfortably to the corner*
I would, but I'm a vegitarian.
A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation.
MOLI+RE, L'Etourdi
http://www.eve-online.tv/default.aspx
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clone 1
Caldari
The Short Bus Squad
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Vando
Originally by: StevieSG
*shifts uncomfortably to the corner*
No nudity... not from my side anyways.. *looks to spiral*
If we pay, can you guarantee no nudity from spiral? This is of much concern to me in my uptake of this product!
Spiral boobies
In a voice like Vincent Price :- 'Once you've watched it you cannot unwatch it.'
Have you ever searched the forums with the term 'boobies'. Comes up way more often that it should, especially for a space game. Oh wait.. I take that back
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EVETV Xyliana
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:22:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Blimey, this turned in to an emofest of epic proportions.
I knew you would squeeze the word emo in there somewhere.
Originally by: SHC Derek
Free trial. Theres a FREE TRIAL! I don't see why everyones making judgements without even trying the product
Yes indeed, enjoy the free launch and as everyone knows throw your options and suggestions at me.
EVE TV Website
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Surreptitious
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:28:00 -
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Make a file I can download, keep and view at my leisure and I will gladly pay $2 an episode.
And may as well make it all one price-point. Multiple tiers of service and a difference of only $.30 is really a moot point and only serves to complicate the issue. In my head, it costs 2 bucks no matter what I do. :)
Syrup
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CaptainSeafort
Gallente
Through the Looking Glass
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: EVETV Xyliana
Originally by: Avon
Blimey, this turned in to an emofest of epic proportions.
I knew you would squeeze the word emo in there somewhere.
Originally by: SHC Derek
Free trial. Theres a FREE TRIAL! I don't see why everyones making judgements without even trying the product
Yes indeed, enjoy the free launch and as everyone knows throw your options and suggestions at me.
the way i read it was that if i bought "jalipo credits", i would get some free time. did i misunderstand, and everyone gets the first episode free without signup as a taster?
and i agree: go ahead with the streaming whatsit, but also add a finished .wmv or .avi or whatever you want, just let people who hate streaming vid watch it seperately.
"Planets and moons no longer hitch rides on player ships. Their towel privileges have been revoked." HHGG Lives on in EVE! |
Vando
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:34:00 -
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Edited by: Vando on 18/06/2007 17:35:22
Originally by: CaptainSeafort
the way i read it was that if i bought "jalipo credits", i would get some free time. did i misunderstand, and everyone gets the first episode free without signup as a taster?
Everyone gets 200 free credits, which is pretty much an episode (I make no guarantees as I've not checked this because, well, :effort:)
Edit: 200 credits gets you 44.4 minutes of the 500k stream, so essentially one episode.
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Ray McCormack
BIG
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:35:00 -
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Will any of the proceeds be going to MMM Publishing or CCP?
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Thomas Maleficus
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:39:00 -
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Edited by: Thomas Maleficus on 18/06/2007 17:39:03
Question;
Are the EVE-TV staff (Xylinia/spiral etc) getting ANY profit from this? Or just their bare minimum expenses paid?
You started as volunteers, volunteers don't get paid.
You already got into the CCP 'social circle' so I hope you're now not making money.
This as I believe started as 'for the players, by the players'
Yes its about ú1 a show, however if I want to PAY to know about eve-online i'll buy E-ON least I can read E-ON 1000times for my money, I get to watch your stream once...
Also, everybody here will know the troubles with the technology your using last alliance tournament or maybe the one before you actually added a 'proper' stream instead of the flash one because of the HUGE outcry and the quality of service.
/rant over.
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Big Al
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:46:00 -
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Hopefully you didn't go and spend all that money with the anticipation of people actually paying.
I'll definately watch the first free episode but why pay for what you get for free on IRC (commentary) or eve-files (battles)?
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ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
Dark Nebula Galactic Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:50:00 -
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Sorry don't think i'll be paying for this either. Frankly given previous incarnations of eve-tv it just doesn't have the quality thats worth it, even if produced in a ú11million studio its either going to be clips of eve which are non interactive in short really pointless (something people will be ok with when its free) or people talking about eve for 10-15 minutes at a time most likely about news events which alot of people skim over anyway, why listen to someone go on about the game when you can play it.
CCP can't really offer new exclusive content in EVE-tv that would in anyway change the game cus it would just **** off the non eve-tv fan base.... which I think is gonna be the majority. It feels as if the marketing department has gone nuts recently. It feels like they based this off the fact of good EON subscriptions and the fact eve-tv previously has had insanely high viewing figures but putting please pay here sign over the top of that will make a dent in the viewing figures.
Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
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EVETV Xyliana
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:58:00 -
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All these questions your welcome to ask in the Live Dev blog and I will answer them. Most of them go into basics like.. the cost of production, possibility of players in studio, expenses to all the vols helping, feeding the hamsters, competitions and producing events like the alliance tourney/fanfest (for free) which will be discussed on the LDB on the 21st. I do understand all the concerns and this thread attempts to clear some of those.
EVE TV Website
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De Rail
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:08:00 -
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dont want a pro lookin show
i'd be happy with what eve telly has been so far
i barely watched when it was free doubt i ll ever watch it if it ll ask me enter my cc details
a question for the eve telly team: have you investigated the sponsoring/ad type approach to get your funding?
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Takahashi Arran
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:12:00 -
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I recently applied to help out with eve-tv for both the Allaince tournament and the main show. I feel i must regretfully withdraw that offer for any part of eve-tv that does not have a free or downloadable version; unless I can be convinced otherwise by CCP.
I applied to these posts in an effort to help out and grow a community we love and enjoy. While I'm highly in favor of the show having higher quality viewing options available for a cost and completely appreciate eve-tv needs to recoup its costs. I really feel eve-tv is a revolutionary service at the forefront of new media. However I cannot in good conscience provide volunteer services for something CCP will be exclusively providing a charged ôrentalö service.
I understand the economics of the situation well and I also understand CCPÆs desire to produce a ôprofessionalö production; indeed if CCP were to provide a low quality stream for free on the day or provide charged drm free downloads this would be perfectly acceptable to me. Shows could even include advertising like many successful shows of a similar nature ( the 1up show comes to mind) this would be perfectly fine by me. However CCP has instead elected a ôrentalö business model where we are charged for a 1 time view of the show. Which dramatically reduces its attractiveness to me and I suspect many others. I hope that once the viewing figures for paying: ôi.e not on free trialö customers come in ccp will reconsider.
Please understand that I am not opposed to paying for content. However to offer the community no way to ôownö these shows but instead present them as ôstreamsö appears unacceptable to me. Indeed seeing as this project leverages mainly the work of volunteers, and that as such one would presume it is not designed to make a profit. One might even question the rates of viewing especially given that a professional Tv show with a multi-million dollar budget costs the same amount for a downloadable copy with no viewing number restrictions one might even question the ultimate value of the service in its current state. CCP have subscribed to the default options provided by jalico rather than reaching out and innovating themselves. This is particularly sad because eve-tv when it was first launched was such an innovative and entrepreneurial idea - indeed it got me to start eve i was so impressed by it.
Furthermore to attempt to argue that a WMP version is "unsuitable" in reality just smacks of a desire to control the viewership of the show and prevent recording; when for every event thus far WMP has proven vastly superior.
I still hope to work for eve-tv on any part of any show which any free or downloadable archive version is available.
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:22:00 -
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OMG, EVE voice, now paying for EVE TV...
I don't know guys... I know stuff like this costs $$$ to do, but seriously...
I hope you find enough ppl to pay for it to make it worth your while... I know nobody wants to work for free, and any TV show costs money to produce...
Good luck!
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:22:00 -
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I won't pay because I have no use for it, but I think far too many people are just complaining here because they'd rather not pay (naturally) but will eventually since they also pay for ISK etc. (just look at how many people still sell GTCs) ;-) Good luck.
this is a free post provided to you by a member of the EVE community.
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Beef Abuser
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:25:00 -
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I for one am glad that people who share my bizarre obsession are finally getting the recognition they deserve in mainsteam media.
(also, I'm not as cool as SpiralJunkie)
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Tractormech
Caldari
Axe Gang
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:36:00 -
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All EVETV is *essentially* is a marketing tool for CCP.
Your charging us to watch an advertisement.
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R3dSh1ft
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.06.18 19:04:00 -
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The proof is in the pudding. However,
I doubt there is any TV show on earth that will get a cash-stripped student such as myself to part with my ú just to see it once.
"We have been recruiting experts in many fields such as set designers, make-up artists, sound engineers, technicians, graphic animators, 3d artists, studio technicians and not to mention the pretty co-hosts and presenters."
WHY?
It seems totally unnecessary to me. You are putting the cart before the horse, as with Eve-Voice. Get the viewers in first, and the content, then the bells and whistles and moula comes later.
Disappointed.
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Camilo Cienfuegos
EP0CH
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Posted - 2007.06.18 19:10:00 -
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I hope and trust it will be more than a 45 minuite advertisement. CCP haven't shown any real tendencies towards overt marketing to their already captive audience - and why should they? We're not the ones they need to sell the game to!
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Get it into iTunes and I'll pay $2.50 a pop for it.
Bugger off! Putting it into iTunes means that it's for you horrible little iPod owners who consider your media player to by synonymous with the technology, and would mean that a slice of the pie would need to be paid to Apple.
Flash streams can be recorded anyway...
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Posted - 2007.06.18 19:13:00 -
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I'll give it a go for the free trial probably. Seems like the guys from EVE-TV put a lot of effort in and I for one am interested to find if the FortunaFive girl really is as hot on EVE-TV as she is in the pictures. That and some interesting stuff may get me to watch it again ...
So there you have it ...
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Miki Fin
Gallente
Independant Union of Rangers
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Posted - 2007.06.18 19:28:00 -
[54]
Originally by: EVETV Xyliana
All these questions your welcome to ask in the Live Dev blog and I will answer them. Most of them go into basics like.. the cost of production, possibility of players in studio, expenses to all the vols helping, feeding the hamsters, competitions and producing events like the alliance tourney/fanfest (for free) which will be discussed on the LDB on the 21st. I do understand all the concerns and this thread attempts to clear some of those.
Do we have to pay for that too?
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QwaarJet
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.18 19:37:00 -
[55]
I am looking forward to EVETV, but I have to pay for it, and now Jalipo! Embedded stuff never works well, and I image there will be a Backlash about this. WMP version ftw. No WMP version = no pay. Simple.
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.06.18 19:46:00 -
[56]
I don't/won't pay for EVE voice and won't pay for EVETV.
Jalipo's the same company that stepped in it during the last alliance tourney as well, ain't happening.
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Originally by: "Cyberus"
cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
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Baudolino
Gallente
Zer0 ToLeRaNcE
Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:02:00 -
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I`ve played the game for 4 years. I buy the magazine and i`ll hapilly pay 2 dollars for the show.
Not using the eve-voice cause my corp isn`t, but with the functionality it offers i`d actually prefer using it.
Not every magazine is great and not every show will be all that interesting, but i enjoy the fact that many people are working to develop the game into something unique and the low cost of these additions are worth it, to me.
After all, i spend 500$ on coffee every month. Why not a few dollars on EVE..:)
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:05:00 -
[58]
Great idea til someone said about the cost...
Meh its bound to be torrented somewhere at some stage, ill watch it there....
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:06:00 -
[59]
Edited by: Gone''Postal on 18/06/2007 20:23:11
Originally by: Xicon
We have been recruiting experts in many fields such as set designers, make-up artists, sound engineers, technicians, graphic animators, 3d artists, studio technicians and not to mention the pretty co-hosts and presenters.
We are also hiring a state-of-the-art ú11 million studio in which we will film every week. WeÆve already had Hellmar in there for an exclusive interview (coming up in the first show), and his reaction to what he saw was æawesomeÆ.
Why in hell...
You have smegloads of already paying players screaming at you to fix bugs, the server side lag and other ingame content.. so you guys come up with... Pay per view!..
Last time I bothered watching Eve TV there was a short fat kid doing smeg all, the stream was up and down more times then a hooker and there was more adverts then the content advertised.
I'll watch the "free" one of course however to see if you have improved things but pay for the rest.. fat chance.
Afford to pay it yes.. but your product has been going downhill for a while and while you appear to be dropping TQ support for a card game, a TV show and giving us the ability to "walk around". I'd rather pay for the upgrades to the software at this rate.
Originally by: EVETV Xyliana
All these questions your welcome to ask in the Live Dev blog
You missed the point where you have to PAY for that **** as well....
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Anyone comparing CCP to a glacier is really not being fair to the glacier.
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Marodi Julita
Sublime Captial Investments
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:18:00 -
[60]
I'll watch it on youtube. No way i'll pay for that.
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Minerva Vulcan
Caldari
The Nexus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:24:00 -
[61]
Personally I'll just wait for someone to throw them up on YouTube.
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Cikster
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:37:00 -
[62]
Since we have the price for how much the 1 Mb version of the weekly show is I decided to calculate how much it would cost to watch the next PVP Tournament and the numbers are ...
If we say that it¦s 6 hours per day * 3 days then watching it all would be 54 $
If we say that it¦s 8 hours per day * 3 days then watching it all would be 72 $
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Templer Relleg
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:44:00 -
[63]
I will watch it. The price is not THAT high. But still.
What the breaking point me for tho is that its only streaming. Im angry about that.
What about us who like to bring episodes of whatever to the gym on our mp3 players?
What if we just cant stand flash?
What about Silverlight client instead?
If no, at LEAST just let us be able to stream it in our favorite media player.
The Jalipo client RUINED the last pvp tournament. I dont wanna have that happen to evetv.
Also the "New player experience" part of the show seems rather stupid. Should i pay to watch that? 
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Tetsujin
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:56:00 -
[64]
so these new people, these "presenters" are actors?
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Cergorach
Amarr
The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:58:00 -
[65]
Good initiative, if i like it i'll tune in every week!
Good luck and have fun ;-)
ps. a 720p or 1080i h264 file would make me a very happy camper
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Anwylyd Al'Vos
Minmatar
United Anti-Enheduanni Front
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Posted - 2007.06.18 20:58:00 -
[66]
Heh... streaming for the suck... usually at work or sleeping during dt anyway, I'll just play the game (which I pay for 2 accounts on already) when I get home like I usually do...
If you do decide to make it download able as well, I will gladly purchase it... gl guys.
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Treelox
Amarr
Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:00:00 -
[67]
jalipo and only in a streaming format.....
really turns me off to the whole idea, tbh. Will still give the free trial a look, but i dont see me contining to subscribe to the stream after that.
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Tarkan Kador
Amarr
PanTarkan Kador Holdings
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:04:00 -
[68]
Nobody I know watched EVE TV when it was free. I'm thinking they might share my perspective that EVE TV's premise was rather dumb. We use our free time playing EVE, not watching interwebs broadcasts about EVE.
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AceOfSpace
Pineapple Blunder
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:13:00 -
[69]
If it's a weekly thing I don't see why it can't be a nice downloadable avi or something 
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:18:00 -
[70]
Originally by: Gone'Postal
Why in hell...
You have smegloads of already paying players screaming at you to fix bugs, the server side lag and other ingame content.. so you guys come up with... Pay per view!..
Do you even believe what you type? Do you honestly think MMM - an independant magazine publisher - has anything to do with the development of EVE online? This isn't being made by CCP.
Secondly, even if it was being made by CCP, do you think that the programmers (the guys who fix the bugs) would be taken off this and assigned to ******* broadcasting duty? What planet do you live on?
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Last time I bothered watching Eve TV there was a short fat kid doing smeg all, the stream was up and down more times then a hooker and there was more adverts then the content advertised.
I'll watch the "free" one of course however to see if you have improved things but pay for the rest.. fat chance.
Afford to pay it yes.. but your product has been going downhill for a while and while you appear to be dropping TQ support for a card game, a TV show and giving us the ability to "walk around". I'd rather pay for the upgrades to the software at this rate.
Again, CCP is NOT making this. Programmers do not make card games. Programmers to not make TV programs. Throwing cash at a problem doesn't simply make it vanish into thin air, otherwise the UK NHS would be the best health service in the world. Think before you type next time as you clearly have no idea how a company actually works. Departments? Skill sets?
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Originally by: EVETV Xyliana
All these questions your welcome to ask in the Live Dev blog
You missed the point where you have to PAY for that **** as well....
Except that EVE-Voice is STILL FREE. Have you actually made a single valid point in this thread yet?
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Extensive tests's WTF... did you even see last years... **** even winterblink made a comic for how stupid and **** poor it was.. it's also harder to save and make a torrent//utube the dam thing..
The tourney was a ****-up and I don't think anyone will disagree. The difference with this is that it isn't live, so there won't be such an omgwtf server strain. Also, the whole point of making it PPV is so you can't torrent/youtube it, otherwise they wouldn't make any money to cover the running costs so it would be shut down.
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Pathetic.
You summed up your post perfectly.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr
Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:23:00 -
[71]
Will we get a guarentee that it wont end up in a lag fest like the alliance tournament?
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Cergorach
Amarr
The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:28:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Tarkan Kador
Nobody I know watched EVE TV when it was free. I'm thinking they might share my perspective that EVE TV's premise was rather dumb. We use our free time playing EVE, not watching interwebs broadcasts about EVE.
Maybe for the 5% of folks who are actually engrossed in things EVE-TV worthy, it might be nice.
5% 0f 200.000 players is still 10.000 folks @2$ a person that's $20k a week, $1M+ a year... I think EveTV would be estatic if 5% of the player base tuned in every week.
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Level4
Minmatar
Red Frog Investments
Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:30:00 -
[73]
Hi,
Despite all the negative opinions in here, i will be watching.
EveTV has come a long way from where it started, they even gave
us the opportunity to show our video making skills in previous tournaments.
Despite the limitations of the technology, i think EveTv is a great concept.
As long as players can continue to contribute to it, i think its worth watching.
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Tar om
Minmatar
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:39:00 -
[74]
I hope they don't use the same bunch of muppets as last time. I've still got the full quota of pay as you credit with them! I tried the free trial, bought the subscription and boom!
You'll have to persuade me that this will be vastly different (including changing all the presenters)
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Nicho Void
Gallente
Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2007.06.18 21:49:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Minerva Vulcan
Personally I'll just wait for someone to throw them up on YouTube.
That's a surefire way of reminding CCP that they need to contact Google and ban the content from YouTube.
Smooth.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.06.18 22:07:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Hajink
Do you even believe what you type? Do you honestly think MMM - an independant magazine publisher - has anything to do with the development of EVE online? This isn't being made by CCP.
No just funded by them.
Originally by: Hajink
Secondly, even if it was being made by CCP, do you think that the programmers (the guys who fix the bugs) would be taken off this and assigned to ******* broadcasting duty? What planet do you live on?
Earth nice little planet..
No the programs are taken off there job to program a client used for EVETV or does a independant magazine publisher know that much about the client they can change it ?. 11Mill for a tv studio say that number out loud for a second.. then think next time you lose a ship from lag, a bug that 11 mill could not have been spent in a better way improving the game for the rest of us and not a few players.
Originally by: Hajink
Again, CCP is NOT making this. Programmers do not make card games. Programmers to not make TV programs. Throwing cash at a problem doesn't simply make it vanish into thin air, otherwise the UK NHS would be the best health service in the world. Think before you type next time as you clearly have no idea how a company actually works. Departments? Skill sets?
NHS is far from perfect, as is eve atm imo, however i'm well aware how skill sets and departments work, and i'm aware that issues don't just vanish by giving said deptment more money, staff have to know what there changing, programming ect so it's not a case of just finding more staff either, but this to me just says hey look we have 11 mill to blow.. lets do this.
Originally by: Hajink
Except that EVE-Voice is STILL FREE. Have you actually made a single valid point in this thread yet?
ok i'll bow down and say I've not used Eve Voice, nor will I it's an old fight over eve voice and TS or vent that has it's own threads on here so no need for more wasted fights, however taking from my account page....
"Start communicating at a new level and activate your FREE 30 DAY TRIAL of the fully integrated EVE Voice."
From that i'll say that 30 days free rest you pay for... if thats wrong then i'm wrong and i admit it.
Originally by: Hajink
The tourney was a ****-up and I don't think anyone will disagree. The difference with this is that it isn't live, so there won't be such an omgwtf server strain. Also, the whole point of making it PPV is so you can't torrent/youtube it, otherwise they wouldn't make any money to cover the running costs so it would be shut down.
You summed up your post perfectly.
Glad we agree on at least one point but meh, yes covering running costs is all well and good but spending that ammout of money on something that tbh won't effect Mr Jo player is imo insane, if CCP said we just spent 11Mill on new server hardware but we have to add $4 to the cost of the game i'd do it without thinking.
Oh and post with ya main.. Grow a pair will you.
these views are mine, disagree or agree with me thats fine, we are both allowed are own views, i'm not here to change yours and your not going to change mine.
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Anyone comparing CCP to a glacier is really not being fair to the glacier.
Tripping The Rift Since 2005 |
Tarkan Kador
Amarr
PanTarkan Kador Holdings
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Posted - 2007.06.18 22:22:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Tarkan Kador on 18/06/2007 22:23:59
Originally by: Cergorach
Originally by: Tarkan Kador
Nobody I know watched EVE TV when it was free. I'm thinking they might share my perspective that EVE TV's premise was rather dumb. We use our free time playing EVE, not watching interwebs broadcasts about EVE.
Maybe for the 5% of folks who are actually engrossed in things EVE-TV worthy, it might be nice.
5% 0f 200.000 players is still 10.000 folks @2$ a person that's $20k a week, $1M+ a year... I think EveTV would be estatic if 5% of the player base tuned in every week.
200,000 players? You mean 200,000 accounts (slightly less than that, if I recall).
Accounts aren't people. For all we know, those less than 200,000 accounts could be played by 10,000 players. 5% of 10,000 players is 500. at $2 a person, that's $1,000 a week, $52,000 a year. Seems like a lot of work for %52,000 a year.
I'm as casual as they come, and even I have two.
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Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.18 22:38:00 -
[78]
yeah there's no way im gonna pay any amount of money to watch a stream  but like many others i would pay for the episodes if i could have them on my comp
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R3dSh1ft
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.06.18 22:41:00 -
[79]
Just to clarify for some of you, the studio is worth 11 million, they are hiring it, they did not spend 11 million. (how could you think CCP has 11 million of anything except yen to spend on eve-tv :P)
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Darpz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:00:00 -
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as much as I love the idea of the show I prolly won't be watching since I'm not going to pay money to sit at my computer to watch something and if I want to rewatch pay more money.
give us a downloadable version for 2.5 and I would be more than happy. hell you would be better off and would make alot more money if you had it just a monthly membership for 5-10 bucks a month to join and you can view past episodes, stream the current show or download in the format of your choice. Personally I loved the WMP stream because I could just point my xbox with XBMP at the stream kick back and relax.
there is no point of having a stream for a pretaped internet show and its going to hurt you in the long run because its alot more tempting to have something you can dl and play on a media extender (they are becoming alot more prevelent than you think) than to dl and watch the show in some dinky flashplayer that I can't control the size of it and can't record to watch later.
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:07:00 -
[81]
Agree with most of the posters here, eve-tv is a waste of time. The quality last year was terrible with the streaming, and don't even get me started on the presenters. They were useless, making cheap jokes and generally having no clue about most ships or how to fit them.
Why would i pay to watch somebody talk about eve who has less knowledge about it than i or many others do ?
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Tractormech
Caldari
Axe Gang
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:19:00 -
[82]
Quote:
Do you even believe what you type? Do you honestly think MMM - an independant magazine publisher - has anything to do with the development of EVE online? This isn't being made by CCP.
Secondly, even if it was being made by CCP, do you think that the programmers (the guys who fix the bugs) would be taken off this and assigned to ******* broadcasting duty? What planet do you live on?
No, but it costs CCP money. Money which could have been used hire an extra dev to work on said bugs.
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Ket Halpak
Cold-Fury
Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:45:00 -
[83]
I'm a bit sceptical about the whole credits thing, but I'm gonna give it a go and see how I like it.
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Check out my blog at RantingsofaCarebear.blogspot.com
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Wrayeth
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:46:00 -
[84]
I'll jump in with the group that is very leery of the EVETV setup. With quality programming, a pay subscription might be within reason...but Jalipo? After my experience with the last alliance tournament, I have absolutely a.) no interest in anything produced by them, and b.) a burning hatred for their windowed player; I would much prefer a windows media player stream/download for ease of use, ease of resizing, option to fullscreen/window at will, and general user-friendliness.
I'll give EVE TV a try, but I expect the crappy Jalipo stream and annoying player will prevent me from doing so more than once. I find this extremely disappointing since I was really looking forward to EVE TV.
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n00b Extraordinaire
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Ishina Fel
Caldari
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:47:00 -
[85]
Originally by: The Gate
Why would i pay to watch somebody talk about eve who has less knowledge about it than i or many others do ?
Yeah, as long as you have yourself to listen to, you don't need to pay to hear other people talk
Seriously, all the moaners here deserve a big fat yawn. Ranting and raving as if you were forced to watch EVE-TV. Hint: it is optional. Don't watch it if you don't want to. Does it occur to you that all that posting in this thread really tells people is "aww man, I wanted to watch it so much, how dare they charge me for something I want"?
--This week's show doesn't have interesting topics? Don't tune in.
--The current show's topics turn out to be boring? Stop watching. Credits are counted by the minute, you don't pay for more than you actually stream.
--There's a topic that's the center of your interests? Tune in for the 10 minutes they talk about it, and why hello there - 50 cent well spent!
I'm going to hold it like the above. Thus I am getting interesting topics in high quality video for very reasonable amounts of the money that is mine to spend. 
 But one good point was made in this thread: a download option would be great. Some things (such as specific highly anticipated matches in the tournaments) are just too precious to lose to the depth of the internet. There was no DVD for the third alliance tournament, and there probably won't be one for future events... so how can we observe once more IAC's Imperial Apocalypse / Absolution duo hunting for Burn Eden's Celestis / Navy Caracal team? How can we rewatch the destruction of the most expensive ship lost in the tournament history, or witness again the grand final? EveFiles has neither of these, only the first few matches...
Please consider a download option for such important and valuable memories. It will end up costing Jalipo a lot less bandwidth if people don't stream it down for the umpteenth time just to show a friend... and that's even assuming that these videos won't be disappearing forever after three months like the footage from the third tourney did. Let me watch the stream, then let me decide if I want to download it. Even if it costs credits again, there will be instances where it's more than worth it!
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ghosttr
Amarr
ARK-CORP
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:48:00 -
[86]
It seems nice, but without being able to download & keep the broadcasts for further viewing I don't think ill be buying.
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Jose Quevo
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.06.18 23:51:00 -
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The 'pay-per-view' -idea is simply put a bad marketing decision. I would vouch for either a monthly subscribtion ( 5-10Ç max. ), or a 2Ç a pop direct-to-drive download. But spending money-per-minute to view a stream?
I am not going to try - not even out of curiosity - unless CCP gives us more options.
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Daenethx
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
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Posted - 2007.06.19 00:12:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Tractormech
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Do you even believe what you type? Do you honestly think MMM - an independant magazine publisher - has anything to do with the development of EVE online? This isn't being made by CCP.
Secondly, even if it was being made by CCP, do you think that the programmers (the guys who fix the bugs) would be taken off this and assigned to ******* broadcasting duty? What planet do you live on?
No, but it costs CCP money. Money which could have been used hire an extra dev to work on said bugs.
you amaze me yet again
What does it cost CCP? I don't see that any money will come from CCP to the independant publisher =\
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Tonkin
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 00:29:00 -
[89]
bleh i aint going to pay that, damn if there naked women of course i would.
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Punished
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Posted - 2007.06.19 00:45:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Tonkin
bleh i aint going to pay that, damn if there naked women of course i would.
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Tetsujin
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.19 01:24:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Tetsujin on 19/06/2007 01:23:27
Originally by: Tonkin
bleh i aint going to pay that, damn if there naked women of course i would.
Tonkin this is not the way to go about impressing a lady in the real world or on the internet. Here let me show you how its done.
XYLIANA I ADORE YOU YOU ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL CREATURE I HAVE EVER LAID EYES UPON YOUR HAIR IS BEAUTIFUL YOUR EYES ARE BEAUTIFUL YOUR SOFT BEAUTIFUL LIPS ARE BEAUTIFUL I HAVE WATCHED YOU FROM A DISTANCE FOR A WHILE NOW DROPPING SUBTLE HINTS SUCH AS THOSE BURGER KING WRAPPERS OUTSIDE YOUR BEDROOM WINDOW AND I CANNOT CONTAIN MY EMOTIONS ANY LONGER I LOVE YOU AND I THINK WE WOULD BE A WONDERFUL COUPLE PLEASE WILL YOU GO OUT WITH ME PLEASE
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Cor'len
Inquest
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Posted - 2007.06.19 01:30:00 -
[92]
I concur - I will not be paying to watch streaming content.
No, give it to me nicely wrapped in a Matroska container, with h264 and AAC toppings, and I'll <3 you (for an ep or two, anyhow). Until then, no business from meh.
Quicktime and WMV sucks. :P
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Rayim Tarith
NCN Corp
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 01:42:00 -
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CCP wasting its time and our money on things other than improving the game. CCP to get more newscasters that write up our in-game stories, IMO.
GG, EVETV team. I'd start lining up a new gig.
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frivolous
Middle Finger Technology
Ghosts Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.19 01:56:00 -
[94]
Is this all going to be live or are we going to have an option to watch Archived shows ?
As the way EVE TV went to the net last time, everyone in the Asia / Pacific region (Aus/NZ) had to stay up to a ridiculously late hour to watch any of it, but what i did see I liked.
I would be keen to check it out, but only if I had the option to watch it when it suited me, not at 3-4am in the morning..
Good luck with it anyhow CCP..
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insidion
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Posted - 2007.06.19 02:05:00 -
[95]
Every time I think that there's no way that CCP could possibly shock or upset me even more...
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Nicoli Voldkif
Caelli-Merced INC.
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2007.06.19 02:09:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Tetsujin
Edited by: Tetsujin on 19/06/2007 01:23:27
Originally by: Tonkin
bleh i aint going to pay that, damn if there naked women of course i would.
Tonkin this is not the way to go about impressing a lady in the real world or on the internet. Here let me show you how its done.
XYLIANA I ADORE YOU YOU ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL CREATURE I HAVE EVER LAID EYES UPON YOUR HAIR IS BEAUTIFUL YOUR EYES ARE BEAUTIFUL YOUR SOFT BEAUTIFUL LIPS ARE BEAUTIFUL I HAVE WATCHED YOU FROM A DISTANCE FOR A WHILE NOW DROPPING SUBTLE HINTS SUCH AS THOSE BURGER KING WRAPPERS OUTSIDE YOUR BEDROOM WINDOW AND I CANNOT CONTAIN MY EMOTIONS ANY LONGER I LOVE YOU AND I THINK WE WOULD BE A WONDERFUL COUPLE PLEASE WILL YOU GO OUT WITH ME PLEASE
/me grabs rifle. When you come back to Central PA Xyliana I got your back
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Treenara Mazouk
Gallente
TAKAGI Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.19 02:38:00 -
[97]
Looking forward to this Saturday show!!!
Long live EVE TV, long live Queen Xyliana!
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.19 03:38:00 -
[98]
I am really really looking forward to this, however I echo most of the sentiments expressed above about streaming content and downloadable files.
I realize that downloadable files increase the risk of piracy, but personally, even though I know very well how to operate a bittorrent client, would pay to download a show like this, like I pay for good movies, albums or games.
How about just releasing the downloadable shows a week or a month later?
We trust you. We just don't trust the third party technology you're using.
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Lord XSiV
Amarr
Digital Research - Omega Protocol
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Posted - 2007.06.19 03:54:00 -
[99]
Oh what a tangled web we weave....
Ok, well kudos for CCP trying something. They have online tv over in Korea and it is completely nuts. No reason we can't have it either. Afterall, which other game (ok, 2nd life) can boast a single shard environment?
Now it comes to the sucky part, having to pay for it. Depending on the quality it might be worth it. Then again from the company they are using for the streaming, well, there isn't too much hope based on previous experiences. But, I am willing to at least give it a try to see if it is any good and then make my decision after that.
CCP undoubtably is going to ocmpare the numbers from the free trial offer to that of paid access, so if you want to voice your opinion economically, just use the free trial and then stop. If it is too expensive and not worth the value then they will know right away. It isn't like CCP to waste money on keeping a dead duck afloat.
I actually hope it does work out as I think it benefits our game. Things like this make our community unique. I haven't watched anything except the tournies so I can't make a comment about the trial shows but if they are like the tournies, then that is good enough for me.
They should splurg some of the budget to get Stavros some new pants though.
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FarScape III
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Posted - 2007.06.19 04:42:00 -
[100]
What?
EVE TV translates into more people wanting to play EVE,
That is why you do it in the 1st place,
That is why you should not sell it, that is like paying for an advertisement.
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Minmatar
Water and Power
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Posted - 2007.06.19 04:59:00 -
[101]
Streaming, FTL!
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El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar
FSK23
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Posted - 2007.06.19 05:47:00 -
[102]
Ahh, flash.
Commercial grade, selected-few platforms technology making sure the audience that can view the content is as low as possible.
I'll have to pass.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 06:10:00 -
[103]
The way I see it, we wouldn't be paying for the actual show content... but instead we'd be paying for the fancy studio, the make-up artists, www.eve-online.tv, the sound engineers and to fly people around the world...
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2007.06.19 06:24:00 -
[104]
what are they payment options ?
consider at least paypal support please.
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Tonkin
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 06:33:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Tetsujin
Edited by: Tetsujin on 19/06/2007 01:23:27
Originally by: Tonkin
bleh i aint going to pay that, damn if there naked women of course i would.
Tonkin this is not the way to go about impressing a lady in the real world or on the internet. Here let me show you how its done.
XYLIANA I ADORE YOU YOU ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL CREATURE I HAVE EVER LAID EYES UPON YOUR HAIR IS BEAUTIFUL YOUR EYES ARE BEAUTIFUL YOUR SOFT BEAUTIFUL LIPS ARE BEAUTIFUL I HAVE WATCHED YOU FROM A DISTANCE FOR A WHILE NOW DROPPING SUBTLE HINTS SUCH AS THOSE BURGER KING WRAPPERS OUTSIDE YOUR BEDROOM WINDOW AND I CANNOT CONTAIN MY EMOTIONS ANY LONGER I LOVE YOU AND I THINK WE WOULD BE A WONDERFUL COUPLE PLEASE WILL YOU GO OUT WITH ME PLEASE
dude just use alchol, saves the trouble of thinking of summet to say
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Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 06:42:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Erotic Irony on 19/06/2007 06:42:37
Originally by: Nuxim
The way I see it, we wouldn't be paying for the actual show content... but instead we'd be paying for the fancy studio, the make-up artists, www.eve-online.tv, the sound engineers and to fly people around the world...
Why doesn't CCP get it? Eve is an austere game about ship performance and subjective attachment to said ships--the graphics and sound are outdated, the GUI is terrible and it has a dozen ways to lose and still no clear victory conditions, nonetheless watching eve is so far removed from playing it that begs the question: why bother? Instead of documentation, professional bug-reporting and gameplay fixes, we have Eon, Eve voice, a card game, massive amounts of RP non-content and pay per minute advertising? Priorities indeed. The only winner here will be Xyliana's resume I suppose.
Clearly CCP has learned some lessons, less stavros, less "rapeage," and instead a new slick url and more women, but underneath the veneer of professionalism we'll most likely still hear from devs who don't know what remote energy transfer looks like, and if we're exceptionally fortunate we'll hear Magnus trash Goonfleet again. Time will tell.
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Minmatar
EFFI Reanchoring
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Posted - 2007.06.19 07:11:00 -
[107]
Edited by: CaptianBlack on 19/06/2007 07:12:22
listen to the people... cheap and tacky for free \o/ ... or expensive looking & pay per view.. BOO!!
last years pvp tourney was fun to watch (for me, as i couldn't see the first 2, only hear them, green screen 4TL)
lets hope this years event has some real changes, and we get to see some real pvp, not just NOS & drones (yawn) but if i have to pay for it, might only watch the finals.. i don't care who presents it, don't care if they flew to the moon once, or took on all of BOB single handed...
should have increased the subscribtion by 5cents per month or give people the chance to spread the payments over 3-12 months depending on their subscription type...
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Phoebus Athenian
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 07:12:00 -
[108]
I don't want to pay for anything else other than my accounts to be honest. Can't you just release the stream to the players to re-broadcast?
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Posted - 2007.06.19 07:41:00 -
[109]
OK CCP this really sucks big time!!! First you waste effing time on crap that no1 wants such as EVE voice and Heat. then you turn around and ask for EXTRA money for your crappy voice service (besides the already very expensive monthly fees) as if you wanted to make sure no1 will ever use it. if you ever thought about it for more then 30 seconds then you might have noticed that all players already use voice-chats which are free so why in gods name should anyone pay you extra for the same crap?
then you turn around and hype your TV program (another huge amount of resources you would rather have spent on making the game less damn laggy!) and then as if this wern't ****ty enough you actually turn around and want more money for this stupid program...
slowly i really wonder if CCP only cares about making money. i mean blizzard and the likes suck pretty bad but at least they don't try and leech even more money of their players with every new feature. why don't you start implementing pay-by-jump traveling - if you're willing to wait 30 minutes in traffic control tghen it costs 2$ a jump, if you only wanna wait 10 minutes in traffic control then it costs 15$ a jump.
Imho this sucks really really bad guys... first debug the damn game so you can fly through jita or open the market without lagging up! then when all the thecnical problems are solved and the game is running PERFECTLY then you can start talking about wasting your time on features like heat. and then when you have 3 million players and a stable infrastructure (so the game actually is playable) then you can think about trying to leech extra money from the hardcore fans with services such as eveTV.
i won't be watching eveTV under these curcumstances.
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LoxyRider
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:07:00 -
[110]
Just going to make an attempt at clearing up some basic misunderstood points.
CCP is not making Eve TV, MMM publishing is (the guys who make the E:On mag), 0 programmers were transferred from making Eve to making a tv show.
The show is not live. It is released every Saturday dt but you can watch it any time you like.
While I don't want to tempt fate you will not have the same issues with Jalipo as you did with the last tournament. They have worked a lot on their service and have been in close contact with MMM over Eve TV. The biggest point to remember is that unlike the tournament the show is not live, its highly unlikely that you will be watching it at the same time as 10 thousand other viewers which caused the problems last time.
The alliance tournament will still be broadcasted live and free.
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CaptianBlack
Minmatar
EFFI Reanchoring
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:18:00 -
[111]
Originally by: LoxyRider
The alliance tournament will still be broadcasted live and free.
thank god for that.. as for the rest of eve-politics,and the great e-peen race ( /me points to Gallente outpost as e-peen reference) i'm pretty much like real life.. don't really give a s***
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:19:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Silance on 19/06/2007 09:19:33
I'm going to give it a try.
FFS people it's like $10 a month, if you watch every week. I'm currently living in Africa where wages are so very f****d up and LOW, and i can afford to watch it.
So pls stop whining, you're ether going to pay and watched it or you aren't. It's your choice on what you're going to spend your hard earned(sp) cash on.
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Jose Quevo
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:36:00 -
[113]
I changed my mind - I *will* watch the Free Trial period, and then decide what to do with my money. The site looks pretty fancy, though.
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eldaro
Gallente
East Khanid Trading
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:40:00 -
[114]
Edited by: eldaro on 19/06/2007 09:39:17
I feel like i should chip in with my 2 penneth's worth. I was really looking forward to Eve-TV on a Saturday until i found out you had to pay (which IMO was kept a bit quiet). The last Eve-TV broadcast wasn't that bad it was quite funny. What i think is they should have a way of making credits to watch the show. i.e. visit differant sites or something and gain surfing credits or the like. I can't pay for Eve-TV as i struggle to pay for my internet access and this makes me sad as i would've loved to have seen it, good luck anyways and hi to someone on the team at Eve-TV you know how you are JA :)
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:28:00 -
[115]
Edited by: Karik Niukam on 19/06/2007 10:35:21
EVEtv Pro is a bad idea, EVEtv Lite was fine during the alliance tournament and was free. Players dont care much for flashing lights and plush studios. As much as you want to expand the merchandise of Eve, if you go too far away from the core (eve game itself) into ventures that revolve around money and commercialism then the players will not support you.
I'd rather you used the money to upgrade the servers to better our gamesplaying experience. Once EVE is running fast and bug free then we can start thinking of putting bells and glitter on it.
just my 2 isk
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torswin
Caldari
Capital Productions Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:32:00 -
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I thought I was going to see how this site works, but I was dissapointd. Tried to see the FF06 footage, but guess what.... NON OPERA COMPETABLE!
What the <insert cute word> is this? I'm not going to pay for something that is in Microsoft's hand forcing me to use Windows and Internet Explorer...
Is there any way to make it work in opera or am I stuck to Microsoft's wrath to mankind?
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Sean Dillon
Caldari
Naughty 40
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:44:00 -
[117]
Like I am going to pay, hah!
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R3dSh1ft
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:44:00 -
[118]
I would also add about the 'not much' price, If you visit Jalepo's site the majority of streams are charged at 1.25 credits a minute, with the "one-off" type things being charged at 2.25.
What makes you guys think 4.25 is reasonable? (For a Stream, LOL). For some ideas on an alternative method, how about this site: Sanctuary.
They supply MOV or WMV files for your dosh. Show a preview on your own site, then ppl can decide if it's worth buying the episode, cutting out Jalipoo altogether.
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The Snowman
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:54:00 -
[119]
"We are also hiring a state-of-the-art ú11 million studio in which we will film every week. "
Ok, so he is the burning question..
Why not spend ú11m on the game itself? like some more hardware or devs?
I understand the need to charge for EveTV but I dont understand the need for EveTV :S
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Skarsnik
Caldari
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:06:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Skarsnik on 19/06/2007 11:05:36
Originally by: The Snowman
"We are also hiring a state-of-the-art ú11 million studio in which we will film every week. "
Ok, so he is the burning question..
Why not spend ú11m on the game itself? like some more hardware or devs?
I understand the need to charge for EveTV but I dont understand the need for EveTV :S
Do you understand what 'Hiring' means. Te studio may have cost ú11million to build and setup ut the hire costs for it will be significantly less It means that MMM are 'renting' the studio from another 3rd party company.
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Galaxy Punks
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:08:00 -
[121]
Edited by: Kappas. on 19/06/2007 11:10:47
Originally by: Vando
Edited by: Vando on 18/06/2007 17:35:22
Originally by: CaptainSeafort
the way i read it was that if i bought "jalipo credits", i would get some free time. did i misunderstand, and everyone gets the first episode free without signup as a taster?
Everyone gets 200 free credits, which is pretty much an episode (I make no guarantees as I've not checked this because, well, :effort:)
Edit: 200 credits gets you 44.4 minutes of the 500k stream, so essentially one episode.
So we can just continuously sign up for a free Jalipo trial and miss nothing?
Originally by: Hajink
Also, the whole point of making it PPV is so you can't torrent/youtube it, otherwise they wouldn't make any money to cover the running costs so it would be shut down.
Thats a moot point right there; if you can see it, it can be copied. Even right down to someone holding a video camera over their monitor, or more advanced tools like the ones that rip the Flash content off youtube and make it into an avi.
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Daenethx
Gallente
Fallen Angel's
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:37:00 -
[122]
Originally by: LoxyRider
Just going to make an attempt at clearing up some basic misunderstood points.
CCP is not making Eve TV, MMM publishing is (the guys who make the E:On mag), 0 programmers were transferred from making Eve to making a tv show.
I just wish telling them this would work, some people seem intent on believing that CCP resources are going into this :| even after multiple people saying multiple times that this is funded and produced by an entirely independent company.
But sometimes people will only believe what they want.
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Rye
East Khanid Trading
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:56:00 -
[123]
I have no doubt that the EVE TV show will be decent quality and worth spending the time watching, but whether it's going to be worth spending the money watching is something I think a lot of people are going to have trouble justifying. If you consider there are 52 weeks a year, for the high bandwidth version that's $117 a year, or approximately $10 a month on average. If you're already struggling with the $15 / ú10 a month subscription for EVE, I suspect this will be an issue.
I'm in two minds about whether I'll watch the shows. I'll definitely watch the first one and then probably make up my mind after that, but unfortunately I think EVE-TV is going to run into trouble. I suspect that the number of regular viewers is going to be a lot lower than they are initially hoping - and if that's the case, it might throw out their budgets and income forecasts and be forced to scale-down or even shut-down.
From the perspective of the producers (MMM Publishing) I can understand that they're paying people for the work they do on the show, and need to recoup their costs somehow. However, I personally think that this is the wrong approach. Personally I'd rather see adverts in the broadcast than see the whole venture fail miserably by alienating the playerbase. They could potentially offer advert slots to corps / alliances, but even RL retailers could advertise on there surely? Some decent marketing approaching some of the game and hardware manufacturers, or even getting a "show sponsor" or three would be preferable imho. I honestly wouldn't care about having 2 ad breaks lasting 3 or 4 minutes every 12 or 15 minutes of show broadcast. It would give me a chance to make a cup of coffee, have a pee, or whatever, and if the advertising is suitably focussed on us gamer types, they might even be interesting. Approaching potential advertisers saying... "Hey - we've got a potential average of maybe 20000 live viewers a week watching the show, and they're all dedicated gamers who'd be interested in your (other games / graphics cards / hardware upgrades / headphones / other gaming peripherals or services / etc), are you interested in advertising to this niche market?"... I'm sure you'd get some interest. You could even sweeten the deal by having the episodes available for download after the fact (no subscriptions using this model remember?) and letting the advertisers know that they'd be getting additional coverage with future viewings too.
I just have to wonder if this sort of avenue has actually been explored in depth? As much as it would be great for there to only be EVE related advertising (as in the EON mag), personally I would have thought making this compromise to make this exciting concept and service available to the majority of the player base would have taken precedence over the current approach which is likely to alienate and exclude a number of fans (if not the majority).
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Heroldyn
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:09:00 -
[124]
i just checked the jalippo site and off course they do only accept
credit card payment.
since credit cards are not that common in my country and i am definitly
not going to get one just to view this, ill dismiss this new "feature".
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Qual
Gallente
Cornexant Research
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:44:00 -
[125]
Ok, i was trying out the stream of the fan-fest, and I must say I suppriced how bad the quality of the stream was.
Now I dont mind paying. Not even when its a once off view. I can live with that.
But poor picture quality and out of sync sound is BAD, ok?
You really should look into alternative methods of distribution.
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Marodi Julita
Sublime Captial Investments
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:51:00 -
[126]
I'd prefer a basement show with phrases such as "shwing" with decent content and free, than a show with fancy studio and costing money. I might as well chip in another 5 bucks and get another account and get more enjoyment than eve tv.
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William Hart
QUANT Corp.
Southern Connection
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:01:00 -
[127]
I love all the ways CCP have been finding to make money nowadays.
a) EVE card game (Seriously, WTF.)
b) EON Magazine (I'm jealous I can't squeeze it into my budget :P)
c) EVE-Voice (Did you guys include this just to say you included it? You know, to enhance marketing?)
d) Encourage people to buy second characters by offering temporary discounts and later making solo pvp without a scout nearly suicidal..
e) Set up EVE-TV, as a promotional thing, then figure out it has a lot of traffic. So start charging for it.
f) CCP generally make EVE more friendly for those who aren't interested in a hardcore cut-throat game. I guess the cost of one or two hardcore fans is nothing if you can attract 50 people from WoW.
What next CCP? Will it cost me money to use the forums soon? Will it cost me money to read the EVE Chronicles? Will these forums soon require an extra $5/month? Hell, how long will the EVE-API remain free before it costs a few extra? Why haven't you vaporised EVE-Radio, think of the ad space you could sell!
How about instead of all this marketing crap, you get down and dirty with a decent partner (I am not talking about TransGaming and Crossover) and work to great native Macintosh & Linux binaries that you keep teasing us with vague "we've got plans" remarks.
Hey CCP, don't worry, my sub doesn't run out for a long time.
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Sapphrine
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:08:00 -
[128]
Just a quick word to say thank you to the eve-tv team for all the work they've put in, you've come a long way!
I will pay to watch something I'm then able to download and watch again, but for something that is weekly episodes i'm far less inclined to fork out cash if i'm honest. Jalipo is also an issue given how appauling their service was last time. The low res quality feed wasn't really worth watching game footage in as you got too much artifacting and text was very awkward to read and they simply didn't have the bandwidth to keep either feed rolling. Now I appreciate that they'll be unlikely to have the load issues of the Alliance tournament but Jalipo is going to be a sticking point for many i suspect.
In reverse to a lot of the people whining in this thread, I hope that the quality is as good as you're saying. I'm happy to pay for a decent quality service which is actually done properly when the alternative is a free low quality show that isn't really up to scratch. Its amusing for the alliance tournaments when we see the panel getting plastered during the show but its not something i'd tune into weekly!
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Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:56:00 -
[129]
Originally by: FarScape III
What?
EVE TV translates into more people wanting to play EVE,
That is why you do it in the 1st place,
That is why you should not sell it, that is like paying for an advertisement.
I tend to agree. It's a great brand extension and something that could really promote Eve in a unique fashion. CCP should pay the expenses, not the end users. That way you'd probably get some non-Eve playing people watching it as well. Apparently, the concept is different (which is a shame).
Of course it could be that CCP doesn't really need marketing assistance at the moment because the servers couldn't handle too many new players anyway.
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Galk
Gallente
Autumn Tactics
All the things she said
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Posted - 2007.06.19 14:20:00 -
[130]
I have no interest in this personaly...
On the subject of gamer/gaming tv shows though, i realy can't think of a single one thats looked anything other than either niche/geek, or unprofessional
..... it's the nature of it in my opinion, i don't ever see that changing.... there allways seems to be a belief that you need some kind of quirk to make them work...... comedy humour one spin.... the fair looking women one of the others.... or worse.. a couple of complete geeks babbling for 10 or 15 minutes.....
Gamer tv on bravo's about the best of the bunch.... the old one on .tv wasn't bad either.
And don't get nostalgic in beliving that gamesmaster was actualy anygood, challenge had it on a couple years ago.... painfull viewing
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.19 15:47:00 -
[131]
Originally by: The Snowman
I understand the need to charge for EveTV but I dont understand the need for EveTV :S
Perhaps watching it might help you out with that.
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Wardog 1
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.19 16:00:00 -
[132]
Originally by: LoxyRider
The alliance tournament will still be broadcasted live and free.
Well that makes it all better then.
No, really.
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Hellcontrol
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.19 16:20:00 -
[133]
after reading through the pages, i really get teh impression that this episode of a tryout is going to end like most of the good series produced lately. They stopped after just one season, made up a rediculous finishing episode and simple put teh hole work in the shredder.
HF you all with your Company idea, and may you not fail like most of "<those>" do.
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Mr Li
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Posted - 2007.06.19 16:26:00 -
[134]
I think I'd rather see a low quality podcast than something so fancy. While I appreciate the effort, thought and creativity is going into this for my entertainment; and while i'm sure a lot of market research has been executed; I want something on a smaller scale that isn't streaming.
as one person said before, put it on iTunes.
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StevieSG
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Posted - 2007.06.19 16:34:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Galk
I have no interest in this personaly...
On the subject of gamer/gaming tv shows though, i realy can't think of a single one thats looked anything other than either niche/geek, or unprofessional
..... it's the nature of it in my opinion, i don't ever see that changing.... there allways seems to be a belief that you need some kind of quirk to make them work...... comedy humour one spin.... the fair looking women one of the others.... or worse.. a couple of complete geeks babbling for 10 or 15 minutes.....
Gamer tv on bravo's about the best of the bunch.... the old one on .tv wasn't bad either.
And don't get nostalgic in beliving that gamesmaster was actualy anygood, challenge had it on a couple years ago.... painfull viewing
I kinda liked Patrick Moore.... he plays the xylaphone....
A little inaccuracy sometimes saves a ton of explanation.
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Trovarion
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Rough Necks
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Posted - 2007.06.19 17:02:00 -
[136]
pay even more? mmm....guess not.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 17:04:00 -
[137]
Originally by: StevieSG
Originally by: Galk
I kinda liked Patrick Moore.... he plays the xylaphone....
You make a ***** about my name and a xylaphone and I will cry
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Amantus
Gallente
Murientor Tribe
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.06.19 17:11:00 -
[138]
Edited by: Amantus on 19/06/2007 17:12:27
I'm looking forward to EVE TV and I'll probably watch but I have to say that I'm sceptical about the choice to use the company that completely messed up the last Alliance Tournament streaming.
Good luck and I hope it goes well.
The hippy inside me is concerned about charging but obviously something like this costs money to make.
Will these shows be available to download later on? I really hope so. Making it into a podcast is definitely a good idea as well.
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Izo Azlion
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.19 17:20:00 -
[139]
You stole the Award Ceremoney from us, and then charge us to watch the reason why it was cancelled.
You can shove EVE TV right up yer jacksie.
Thanks.
Izo Azlion.
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Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.19 17:23:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Izo Azlion
You stole the Award Ceremoney from us, and then charge us to watch the reason why it was cancelled.
You can shove EVE TV right up yer jacksie.
Thanks.
Pretty much my feeling to be honest.
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The Snowman
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.06.19 17:33:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: The Snowman
I understand the need to charge for EveTV but I dont understand the need for EveTV :S
Perhaps watching it might help you out with that.
hmmm, nope, not convinced. I will watch a free episode, but I dont think that will explain why I need to pay $2 every week.
thats the equivelent of half the cost of another eve subscription.
hmm, second account, or tv program.. second account or tv program...
ya see, Im still struggling.
Hey here's a thought, can we pay for the TV program using ISK?..
an ISK sink.. now THAT I could understand.
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Na'Kunni
Amarr
Null Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.19 17:40:00 -
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the ladies are pretty hot
WTF thought people, what the hell is $2.25, that's nothing. And that's coming from someone who doesn't even have a job either.
I've not really been interested in EVE TV, but considering it's on during downtime, maybe give me something to do.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.19 17:46:00 -
[143]
Originally by: The Snowman
I will watch a free episode
That's all I was shooting at.
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ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
Dark Nebula Galactic Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.19 17:48:00 -
[144]
Another thing eve's Saturdays down time tends to be the shortest usually under the 45 minute mark, so either ccp's gonna fix down time to run longer than eve tv or people are just gonna go get some lunch and come back for the end of early down time.
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LoxyRider
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.19 17:50:00 -
[145]
Originally by: ToxicFire
Another thing eve's Saturdays down time tends to be the shortest usually under the 45 minute mark, so either ccp's gonna fix down time to run longer than eve tv or people are just gonna go get some lunch and come back for the end of early down time.
Its not live, you can watch it any time you like.
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Ozstar
Naughty 40
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 18:14:00 -
[146]
I will pay and support this move by MMM - i will decide after the first few shows whether the service offers quality content or is just a moneymaking exercise.
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
It¦s still very ackward reading threads about 'how to ride eris'
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Jake Pott
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Posted - 2007.06.19 18:22:00 -
[147]
That's hilarious. $10 a month for 3 hours of programming, streaming? I pay like $30 a month for cable tv that has thousands of hours on dozens of channels, any one of which I am free to record and watch/rewatch at my leisure on any device I choose.
Good luck fellas, I hope you can recoup your studio time at least.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 18:27:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Le Skunk
Like the guy says - good luck. I have big doubts over its viabilty though - pay to watch someoen else play eve?
SKUNK
I was thinking the same.. what fools would pay for this ha.
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Aerick Dawn
Gallente
The Arrow Project
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.19 18:28:00 -
[149]
you are losing a major marketing vehicle by making EveTV go pay. I think you are losing quite an ingenious advertisement venue by doing this.
You need to understand your market better.
Anyhow, I don't need an 11million $ studio, or high production value. Sweaty nerds telling me about my space game is pretty much what I expect.
I figured you would learn some lessons from Eve-voice, but oh well.
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DaOpa
Amarr
Static Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.19 18:29:00 -
[150]
EVE TV sounds interesting!
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Loki Life
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Posted - 2007.06.19 18:32:00 -
[151]
You know you play eve too much when you're paying for eve TV. Most fights are FRAPS so you can usally go to the alliance web site and watch.
lol, great idea for the rich and jobless.
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Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.19 18:37:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Na'Kunni
the ladies are pretty hot
WTF thought people, what the hell is $2.25, that's nothing. And that's coming from someone who doesn't even have a job either.
I've not really been interested in EVE TV, but considering it's on during downtime, maybe give me something to do.
So your unemployed, for whatever reason is not my business & you can aford the extra $10 a month + game subscription ?
I`m in a working household and for sure cannot afford to pay out any more for just a game & game related material. It`s just another halfwit money making brain wave from CCP! (like voice )
I`m curious as to how CCP is going to stop the material being uploaded to torrents & Yourtube, hell microsoft can`t even stop this!
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Princess Morenta
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.06.19 18:44:00 -
[153]
Wont be much chance of lag guessing by the response of the thread because so little ppl will be watching.
Lol
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prathe
Minmatar
Omega Enterprises
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.06.19 18:48:00 -
[154]
Edited by: prathe on 19/06/2007 18:47:40
well once again ground breaking
the first show to "jump the shark" before it went on the air
kudos
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.19 18:50:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Princess Morenta
Wont be much chance of lag guessing by the response of the thread because so little ppl will be watching.
Vocal minority.
I for one think the concept is great. I can't wait for the first episode.
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Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:05:00 -
[156]
Edited by: Garia666 on 19/06/2007 19:07:28
Why cant i just watch vids with out subscribing..
such bullocks..
WOT ! you even need to pay.. right!
2 many people trying to get RL isk out of the good old eve community..
eve voice eve it self eve TV whats next?
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zykerx
Pegasus Mining and Securities
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:09:00 -
[157]
Edited by: zykerx on 19/06/2007 19:09:06
i wont pay for it either, and sofar havent seen somone i know who will pay forit
cost is not high, but i dont see the big + point watching it, fraps enough on eve-o
good luck getting a profit fromit, how many people ya need to earn the stuff back ?
evevoice looks cool but ts doesnt go offline when node crash o.0
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:13:00 -
[158]
I am not against paying for eve tv but Jalipo really makes me reconsider it. It's not the server problems they have last tournament but the really sub par image quality. Their 1mb stream had much worse quality than the 400k wmv stream we later got.
What's the point of watching eve battles if you can't even make out what is happening on the screen?
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:20:00 -
[159]
Good luck with the project, hope it goes well.
And for all those that seem to think $2 a week is steep, good luck getting out of mums basement and into the real world.
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Erim Solfara
Amarr
House of Solfara
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:28:00 -
[160]
You gained a fair chunk of respect from me when you started evetv. It was another thing I loved CCP for providing the players with, and the best bit was it was free, amateurish, but free.
An example of a content community feeling like they're had something nice given to them.
Now, you want me to pay?
Get lost.
Separate subs for Eve Voice and now EveTV, I'm rapidly getting the impression that you aren't content with profit from the 200k subscriptions you have, and are simply after our money.
I do NOT want to see this game go to hell and back to pad your wallets. We already have adverts in CS 1.6, I was insulted enough at that, don't make me throw away a year old character now.
charging for evetv, FTL.
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Minmatar
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:33:00 -
[161]
Well, I thought the concept would be interesting but I wont be paying for it.
See I run Gentoo AMD 64 about 75% of time in front of a computer. Flash has yet to come out with a stable client for 64bit linux browsers, so its pointless to spend my money on something that will just crash over and over again.
On my platform things like youtube and Googlevideo work for a while (sometimes 3,4,10 videos in a row), and then crash out. It sok for them to crash out liek that because its free. Sometimes they crash out even more then that (multiple times per video). Im not paying for a service that will crash multiple times per feed because of platform used to deliver it.
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Zirator
Times of Ancar
THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:45:00 -
[162]
Well I'm not paying for it. I found the developments around EVE tv interesting in the beginning but now that I know that it requires payment it's a no no for me. I fully understand that costs made need to be covered but I think it's enough that I pay for two accounts at the moment.
For me this is just extra "content" that requires extra money just like EVE-voice.
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Ralara
Caldari
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:48:00 -
[163]
I hope it goes well. :)
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:56:00 -
[164]
There is little I know of business, but one thing I *do* know. You make money from doing something you're good at. EVE is an example of what a bunch of extremely talented people can produce in terms of gameplay and technology.
EVE-TV unfortunately was more of a high-school show made for free by the chums who did some video-editing on their dad's VCR and then had the opportunity to air it over school from the principle.
Don't get me wrong, I think EVE-TV was mildly amusing. The same way I find YOUTUBE mildly amusing. But I would never pay for watching the high-school production, YOUTUBE, or EVE-TV. Find some other way to finance it. Because it will not come out of my wallet.
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Miki Fin
Gallente
Independant Union of Rangers
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:58:00 -
[165]
Tbh, I'd rather donate the equivelant subscription to eve-files and/or eve-search. That is something the community both wants and needs, and Chribba does it all for free.
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:59:00 -
[166]
Edited by: Tobias Sjodin on 19/06/2007 19:58:28
Originally by: Miki Fin
Tbh, I'd rather donate the equivelant subscription to eve-files and/or eve-search. That is something the community both wants and needs, and Chribba does it all for free.
Instead of typing it here, donate.
EVE-FILES DONATION FUND
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Kornel
Minmatar
Alfa Corporation
Rough Necks
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:11:00 -
[167]
11M studio? Interesting, what they have there for this money. Golden toilets?
Camera wich was used to shoot latest StarWars 3 costs about 118k... disk arrays 88k... one of latest editing system 500 - 700k, movie optics - 350 - 500k, lights 50 - 100k, kk some other stuff like BETAs, IMX, BlueRays... not more than 500k, including cranes, wireless 3 dimensional heads for cams... SHooting place - 1M ofises, rooms, all brend new.
What we have here? 2,5M ..3,5 with house and ability to shoot on HiEnd movie level. I forgot to mention - all this goodies, all this quality do not be seen, because we all will see 250kbit or 500 kbit translation.
So all talks about high expenses - is just excuse to rip off audience.
To do show you need 2 - 3 cameras - TV level, few graphic stations for editing - TV level, few additional equpment - such as microphones, camera lightings... bla bla bla.. What I want to say it all can be set in 500k budget. And it is can be considerably cut w/o loosing significant quality. Do not forget about ugly delivery of result. To see all this good things CCP should send signal at least in medium DVD quality, wich means mpeg-2 5Mbit! not kbit!
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Brolly
Caldari
Morphic field
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:15:00 -
[168]
Wow, the eve community is so whingey and cynical , I remember a brief time where the player base would have loved such a thing and now everyone is getting there knickers in a twist because others are trying to expand the community.
Nice
If I had the spare cash, I would probably tune in. I am with others though and would like downloadable content instead of streaming, mainly because I can then watch it anywhere, plus I have streaming probs.
Good luck to the project.
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:24:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Kornel
What we have here? 2,5M ..3,5 with house and ability to shoot on HiEnd movie level. I forgot to mention - all this goodies, all this quality do not be seen, because we all will see 250kbit or 500 kbit translation.
Or, you hire the 11M pound studio, like they said. Not build it, like they never said.
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QwaarJet
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.19 20:54:00 -
[170]
Edited by: QwaarJet on 19/06/2007 20:58:58
Originally by: LoxyRider
Just going to make an attempt at clearing up some basic misunderstood points.
CCP is not making Eve TV, MMM publishing is (the guys who make the E:On mag), 0 programmers were transferred from making Eve to making a tv show.
The show is not live. It is released every Saturday dt but you can watch it any time you like.
While I don't want to tempt fate you will not have the same issues with Jalipo as you did with the last tournament. They have worked a lot on their service and have been in close contact with MMM over Eve TV. The biggest point to remember is that unlike the tournament the show is not live, its highly unlikely that you will be watching it at the same time as 10 thousand other viewers which caused the problems last time.
The alliance tournament will still be broadcasted live and free.
It's not even quality issues that people are moaning about, or even that it's not free. Another issue is that it's Flash, integrated into your browser. That's pretty shifty, and most people don't like being forced into something like that.
Simply giving people a choice of stream will solve many of these problems.
And OMG at the negative response here. I knew it would be bad, but not this bad.
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Vocal minority.
I for one think the concept is great. I can't wait for the first episode.
I seriously doubt it's a minority. As many of stated here, I know fno one who has said they will pay for it, or evne watch it for free if it's not on a WMP stream.
Also, people aren't moaning about the concept, they are moaning about the way it is being implemented. Generally, EVETV rocks. But the system to broadcast it sucks.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 21:10:00 -
[171]
did you use to have pink hair and play a Cleric a few years ago Xyliana ?
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.19 21:23:00 -
[172]
Originally by: QwaarJet
I seriously doubt it's a minority. As many of stated here, I know fno one who has said they will pay for it, or evne watch it for free if it's not on a WMP stream.
Also, people aren't moaning about the concept, they are moaning about the way it is being implemented. Generally, EVETV rocks. But the system to broadcast it sucks.
It's not a minority? 172 replies here right now, out of how many total players? That's making the flawed assumption that all 172 replies are one each for a different person. And lets not even get into how many of those are people who didn't actually read anything about EVE TV, and are just bandwagoning.
I'm not saying they're not entitled to their opinion of course. Everyone is. I'm just suggesting that people either wait until after they've watched the first episode, or limit their comments to the information that's been given.
Again, apparently that's too much to ask. *shrugs*
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R3dSh1ft
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.06.19 21:33:00 -
[173]
Well this announcement seems to have lost its sticky
Hopefully there will be a re-launch with a download option in a couple of days, because frankly thats all I see as saving the project.
Good Luck.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 21:50:00 -
[174]
I'm sry
I don't pay for a stream
I pay for DVDs
I pay for downloads
I pay for models of ship ships :P
but 2$ to watch and never get to watch again.
no thanks
your pulling our leg.. right?
also I don't you need a 11 million set
why to try to get a spot on g4tv?
not g4 the station mind you, but g4 the site
they stream x-play which is more like double the cost of EvE tv for free with ads
I wouldn't mind 10 mins of advertizments for stuff.
like
"and now the ask.com Q&A"
this is like thinking people would pay for Ask a ninja
why not pull what they did?
and advertise
oh well I was exsited about EvE TV but now I guess I won't be watching
unless I can download it via torrent for a buck
that would rock
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MotherMoon
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Posted - 2007.06.19 21:53:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Garia666
Edited by: Garia666 on 19/06/2007 19:07:28
Why cant i just watch vids with out subscribing..
such bullocks..
WOT ! you even need to pay.. right!
2 many people trying to get RL isk out of the good old eve community..
eve voice eve it self eve TV whats next?
well next we'll have to pay to listen to the live devblog :)
CCP are you getting straped for cash?
if you are then why not find a way to make more money by.. I don't know
something
advertisment in-game would make players kill you
but not in a TV setting
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Phelaen
Under the Wings of Fury
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Posted - 2007.06.19 22:02:00 -
[176]
this is all a joke, right??? seriously its a joke, right ????
please someone tell me this is just a bad joke....
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Raydn James
CAD Inc.
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.06.19 22:05:00 -
[177]
I'm hoping the 11mil includes classes for the hosts.
After watching the coverage of one of the competitions, my eyes were bleading and I had actually cut my ears off.
Good premise, just needs better execution.
Speaking of which, if you ever need a US Consultant....
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d'Mortaigne
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 22:09:00 -
[178]
I would pay for EVE-TV episodes if I could download them. There is just way too many things that is bad with streaming, especially if you pay for it.
Who came up with this ridiculous idea anyway? Pfft...
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Taloic
Caldari
Black Watch Regiment
Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.19 22:20:00 -
[179]
Originally by: LoxyRider
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The alliance tournament will still be broadcasted live and free.
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Well that makes it all better then.
No, really.
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I tend to agree the alliance tournament was all I am concerned about.
I would hate to think id miss it because it bacame pay per view.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 22:28:00 -
[180]
Marketing. You don't sell fridges to Eskimos, unless you fill them electric ice boxes with fish...right?
Personally, eve should be on PS3 NINTENDONE and in every single household globally, then I won't sleep at the helm so much, if only CCP had the same vision and all humans had access to intelligent PC's instead of the backwater Vista rubbish.
Perhaps EveTV would be more accepted by players if professional marketers would sell slots of EveTV on places like MTV or any other kiddie sublim show. Pity. 30,000 players is the eve limit? Why wait for the rivals eve?
Sell this baby sweet//
No point advertising this gameTV to a generation or two of sci-fi/fantasy loving eyeballs, better advertise it to existing players...Hence the response...
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Posted - 2007.06.19 22:31:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Leena Raphael
I'm gobsmacked, I really am.
I can't believe the amount of whingeing that's going on here. For the first time (AFAIK) an MMO is getting it's own dedicated online TV show, and all you're doing is moaning?!
Jees people, get a grip.
Why shouldn't MMM charge for this AND make a profit? They're putting work into it, they deserve to get paid. At least watch the damn free trial before stamping your feet in a hissy fit.
Saying all that, a downloadable version would be a lot better than streamed, so we could watch it anywhere & keep it.
Personally, I'm looking forward to it & good luck to everyone at EVE TV.
Let people have their own opinion, god know's they are right :P
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Kornel
Minmatar
Alfa Corporation
Rough Necks
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Posted - 2007.06.19 22:39:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Kornel
What we have here? 2,5M ..3,5 with house and ability to shoot on HiEnd movie level. I forgot to mention - all this goodies, all this quality do not be seen, because we all will see 250kbit or 500 kbit translation.
Or, you hire the 11M pound studio, like they said. Not build it, like they never said.
I mean, that hiring 11M studio is much more expensive, that hiring 0,5 M studio - and this is not good explanation of big expenses to be covered. Its good explanation of bad management, or fact, that someone will make gooood money on this. Maybe EVE-TV hire studio from friend? If they CAN explain, WHAT they use and WHY they need so expensive set, I will eat my hat w/o salt.(notify - "O, we need it for awesome quality!" is not good enougth) Or... they hire little corner in this facility, for small money.... but why they tell us about 11m set and big expenses in this case? I do not like such attitude... it smells...
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Tykari
Gallente
Imperium Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.19 22:43:00 -
[183]
I liked EvE TV alot during the past Alliance Tournaments and I have been looking forward to the weekly show. Of course having to pay for it does complicate matters.
Now I can say that for me that the first free show will be the deciding factor. If it's a fantastic show and there aren't any streaming issues, I'll likely end up watching it. I just wish there were more payment options then only credit cards because that is what causes the complications for me. And seeing that's an issue with Jalipo I don't see that changing anytime soon.
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Vendetta Underground
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Posted - 2007.06.19 22:51:00 -
[184]
$8 a month ontop of what I pay for eve is too much for the game. I would rather put that money into something else...
But thats just me
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Atreus Minmatarius
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.06.19 22:56:00 -
[185]
Edited by: Atreus Minmatarius on 19/06/2007 22:59:33
oh great, another thing that nobody asked for and that most of EvE players will never use. Just like the voice thingy. You are a game company, stick to that till the product is the best that it can be. Instead spend those money for hirings of more staff, devs and technicians and better hardware.
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Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 23:13:00 -
[186]
EveTV was a fun EVE related distraction when it first covered the Tourny. Since then, the fun of it has slowly dripped away, the technology of it has gradually gotten worse (WTF was with that awful client during the 2006 Tourny?), and now there's a price tag.
If it wasn't streaming, I'd consider paying for it, but I certainly would never pay for streamed video. Ridiculous.
And I honestly don't see why you need an ú11 million studio for a program like this- the production values were fine when you were recording it in the CCP facilities...it doesn't have to be HDTV ready, FFS (specially if it's gonna be streamed). Keep the price low-to-non-existent by keeping the costs down. for a product that most wouldn't dream of paying for, it's pretty vital.
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Kornel
Minmatar
Alfa Corporation
Rough Necks
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Posted - 2007.06.19 23:31:00 -
[187]
Yea, why CCP do not want to establish their own small studio, even HDV based to recieve better picture when downsampling to inet formats, hire 3-5 men to do job, and do same for nothing? Mention - it will be great advertising to whole project and bring more subscribers.. and keep old one. So CCP will be paid for such project.. just not so directly.
Imagine, how pride players will be, when they will tell friends, that they play mmorg with their own, constant TV show!
Now its look like someone want to make money using good brand and fans base.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 23:37:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Xicon
We have teamed up with Jalipo, who has done a stunning job working in consultation with Adobe to bring to life the best rich-media experience you can get on the web, using an embedded Flash 9 player in the EVE TV website (www.eve-online.tv).
Didn't CCP learn from last yr mess up with the championships not to bother with Jalipo and embedded flash player?
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Posted - 2007.06.19 23:38:00 -
[189]
For $1 I can download and own a copy of an episode of what Time called last years Best Drama and certainly my favorite show Battlestar Galactica from itunes which has a sound record.
For $1.91 I can stream 1 time and 1 time only an episode of what sounds like a flashy version of Podded from a source that I remember screwing up the last alliance tournament broadcast.
Even if I were getting a permanent copy from a reliable source it still costs twice what Battlestar Galactica does and I doubt it will have twice the quality of the award winning BSG.
Why can't you guys just get four or five Dev's to do a weekly Podded style podcast and charge a quarter to cover the overtime? We aren't expecting the equivalent of the evening news for the EVE world with all the flashy graphics and expensive sets. We just want a few words about 0.0 politics, a quick summary of the dev blogs and an interesting interview or two. I was happy with Podded.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 23:48:00 -
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Kornel has the right idea. I have no idea what eve tv is, but will probably check it out (if I can download the eps especially). I like to know whats going on and reading dusty old blogs is boring as hell. But seriously, 11 million dollar studio? Pro makeup artists? Considering what normal people do on sites like youtube with im sure much less budget, could it not have been offered for free without the studio?
Is eve tv about content, or fluff? Hire some hot 19 year old to read the news, throw in some captured video of popular events and get some important players on webcams to debate tactics or whatever. Now once again, I have no idea what your going for here with eve tv but if its just gonna be another revenue stream - well thats a poor motivation for anything creative.
ps you have to pay for ingame vent? per minute?!?!
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Cadien Cybernetics
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Posted - 2007.06.19 23:59:00 -
[191]
Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 20/06/2007 00:35:05
Well, I was very excited to hear about weekly EVETV and really looked forward to it.
However.. streaming and Jalipo pretty much rules this out for me.
Maybe the free trial will change my mind, but I doubt it.
Spending so much money on production for what's basically a kind of video fanzine seems a bit disproportionate to me.
Why not start out smallish and increase your investment over time?
Actually players weren't asked what they'd prefer, and I think that's the main problem.
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Originally by: zykerx
i wont pay for it either, and sofar havent seen somone i know who will pay forit
well s**t, MMM could have saved themselves alot of time and money if they had just asked you whether the idea would succeed.
Originally by: CCP Eris Discordia
It¦s still very ackward reading threads about 'how to ride eris'
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Atlas Alliance
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
For $1 I can download and own a copy of an episode of what Time called last years Best Drama and certainly my favorite show Battlestar Galactica from itunes which has a sound record.
For $1.91 I can stream 1 time and 1 time only an episode of what sounds like a flashy version of Podded from a source that I remember screwing up the last alliance tournament broadcast.
Even if I were getting a permanent copy from a reliable source it still costs twice what Battlestar Galactica does and I doubt it will have twice the quality of the award winning BSG.
Why can't you guys just get four or five Dev's to do a weekly Podded style podcast and charge a quarter to cover the overtime? We aren't expecting the equivalent of the evening news for the EVE world with all the flashy graphics and expensive sets. We just want a few words about 0.0 politics, a quick summary of the dev blogs and an interesting interview or two. I was happy with Podded.
Very good comparison. Makes me cry sad emo tears, though
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Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Edited by: Ayari on 20/06/2007 00:13:19
Edited by: Ayari on 20/06/2007 00:12:56
I don't mind paying as long as I get to watch the show whenever I want. In the age of TiVo, I should not have to be in front of my PC on a certain day and time to catch the show, especially when it would be so easy to keep it as a pay download.
I was really looking forward to this, but the implementation means that I'd have to schedule a time to watch it. If you offered it as a pay download, you could keep it in rotation for a week, which means the server load would be less, because that 45 minutes of streaming per user would be spread across the week.
I have no problems paying, but you really need to make it accessible to everyone, no matter what their timezone or personal schedule.
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HIVE
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.06.20 00:52:00 -
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After the last showing of eve tv its fantastic how fast CCP have driven forward with this. In no other game does TV feel more appropriate or relevant than one where politics reins the dominant consideration.
Politics aside, simply communicating the depth of gameplay has been notoriously hard and not easily accessible, eve-tv should change that.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Hermia
After the last showing of eve tv its fantastic how fast CCP have driven forward with this. In no other game does TV feel more appropriate or relevant than one where politics reins the dominant consideration.
Politics aside, simply communicating the depth of gameplay has been notoriously hard and not easily accessible, eve-tv should change that.
other than than the fact that no one will watch it
and the fact that pay per minate untill your computer crashing and pay all over again
or the connection dies
pr minate?
sounds like a cell phone text service
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Marodi Julita
Sublime Captial Investments
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Posted - 2007.06.20 03:00:00 -
[197]
CCP, since you like to endorse things. Make a Quafe drink. I would buy it.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari
AUS Corporation
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 03:12:00 -
[198]
Originally by: Marodi Julita
CCP, since you like to endorse things. Make a Quafe drink. I would buy it.
They did so back in 2004. Wikipedia has a picture. Apparently it tastes like 7-up.
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Minmatar
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.06.20 03:12:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Marodi Julita
CCP, since you like to endorse things. Make a Quafe drink. I would buy it.
They used to sell Quafe at the eve store -)
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keiichi chan
Caldari
BORG Kollektiv
BORG Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.20 06:46:00 -
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I just say two words to all here... Look here!
That's the best Solution....
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Posted - 2007.06.20 07:40:00 -
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Edited by: Z3r0n on 20/06/2007 07:41:45
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Imagine, how pride players will be, when they will tell friends, that they play mmorg with their own, constant TV show!
Now its look like someone want to make money using good brand and fans base.
OMG i so agree!!
I just can't understand how it can be that i can watch thousands and thousands of hours of streaming videos on youtube or even whole tv-shows on TV-links for free but with CCP where i already pay 30 dollars a month for my accounts i am asked to pay an extra 2$ per view - but actually it's even worse... i have to pay BY EFFING MINUTE!
If i at least could like "buy" the episode so i could download or re-stream it as often as i liked then i might think about it... thou even then i doubt i'd pay... i mean guys for 2$ i can rent a movie for 24h and watch it 10 times or for 15$ a month i can get thousands of TV programs that i can i can record AND have a far better quality then the rubish from jalipo.
i'd really like to hear a response from Xicon or Xyliana about the 7 pages of people saying they are unwilling to pay for this and that we actually don't give a rats ass about "going pro" and we won't pay you for it.
anything? are you even reading the reactions of the ppl you are trying to leech money off?
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David Bonesaw
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Event-Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.20 08:13:00 -
[202]
I'm willing to pay for the show but the ability to pay only with a credit card excludes me as a customer. Get some Direct debit service as its implemented in subscription extension and i will pay
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Posted - 2007.06.20 08:15:00 -
[203]
Originally by: Skakkee
did you use to have pink hair and play a Cleric a few years ago Xyliana ?
yes. Prydwen.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 08:15:00 -
[204]
Originally by: EVETV Xyliana
Originally by: Skakkee
did you use to have pink hair and play a Cleric a few years ago Xyliana ?
yes. Prydwen.
I also had pink hair. It was a way to get free itams in UO
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Posted - 2007.06.20 08:23:00 -
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YouTube ftw.
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Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 08:27:00 -
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So.. MMM Publishing. Being silent isn't exactly gonna help this case.
How about speaking to us? Seems like just about everybody agrees on one thing: STREAMING IS BAD!! Mkay?
Streaming should be free. Downloadable should cost. Simple as that.
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The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.06.20 08:37:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Z3r0n
I just can't understand how it can be that i can watch thousands and thousands of hours of streaming videos on youtube or even whole tv-shows on TV-links for free
If you can't understand the difference between an advertising-supported service and a subscription service then there really isn't any point talking to you.
I suspect, though, that you're being deliberately obtuse.
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but with CCP
Not CCP. It being a separate charge is precisely for the reasons people have complained unjustifiably earlier in the thread. If the production cost of EVETV came out of monthly game time subscriptions it would eat into game development, server upgrade, and other support budgets. It being separate means that those willing to pay can pay and those unwilling suffer no ill effect.
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i'd really like to hear a response from Xicon or Xyliana about the 7 pages of people saying they are unwilling to pay for this and that we actually don't give a rats ass about "going pro" and we won't pay you for it.
There will be a Dev blog/Q&A in which, knowing Xyl, she will address as many concerns of the community as she can. She has even said so in this thread if you'd care to read it.
A lot of the issues raised have already been discussed with the playerbase through ad hoc skype conversations, and believe me Xyliana is aware of the concerns with the method s of viewing/payment available. I won't go into to much detail because I don't want to misinform.
There are valid concerns with the Jalipo system concerning payment, but not quite what you are all bleating on about.
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Artificial Horizons
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.06.20 08:42:00 -
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Im also not interested in this service.
Mutch like eve voice.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 08:45:00 -
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Just to stress that EVE TV has not invested ú11m in building a studio. EVE TV is hiring a studio that has had ú11m spent on it. A lot of time was spent looking for a suitable studio, and the one we chose was nearby, fully-equipped, reasonably priced and the guy in charge is a gamer... not an EVE fan, sadly, but we're working on that.
We haven't gone out and hired people just to justify charging a high price. We've hired people who are necessary to making a quality broadcast. Many people are working on a volunteer basis, some aren't - but the point is that regardless of how much is spent, EVE TV, like EVE itself, is a commercial entity, whose existence can only be justified by an ability to make some kind of profit in the long term. (Much as that pains me to say all this, being a pinko lefty socialist hippy an' all).
EVE TV will cost money to watch. To begin with it will be pay-per-view. That may well change in the future. There could be a subscription model. There could be payable downloads. It could be about having 'premium' content and reduced fee content.... Whatever develops, unless EVE TV can secure enough advertising to subsidise fees (which might be possible, we'll see), EVE TV will not be free to watch, except for the live PvP Tournament coverage.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 09:07:00 -
[210]
Originally by: Z3r0n
Edited by: Z3r0n on 20/06/2007 07:45:14
Edited by: Z3r0n on 20/06/2007 07:41:45
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i'd really like to hear a response from Xicon or Xyliana about the 7 pages of people saying they are unwilling to pay for this and that we actually don't give a rats ass about "going pro" and we won't pay you for it.
anything? are you even reading the reactions of the ppl you are trying to leech money off?
As the thread has said from the beginning that we are launching and that we will be looking into alternatives. Watch for free on Saturday and ANY player can come to me with suggestions and feedback on the production side of the show because ultimately the style and look of the show I am aiming to please the community on that front. You can tune in and ask questions on the dev live blog and on our open discussion radio show on split infinity radio this saturday.
As for streaming and things of that nature there are many directions this can go and there are honest intentions once we get things out there. The reason for coming right out and saying (at the start of this thread) was to get it out there and if people need to unload some steam before than actually see the show then okay but I do hope you tune in, get your free 200 credits and hit up the EVETV forums.
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Caldari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.20 09:58:00 -
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I venture a guess here.
Nearly an hour of the same stuff I can mostly read about in Eve-Tribune and the forums, for tournament coverage that doesn't really interrest me, for "this alliance took that system from those loosers" reports that I couldn't care less about since like most people (think this needs emphasis) I'm not yet a member of BoB or their adversaries ... one time watching for $2 and billed by the minute?
Good luck with that. Even if you somehow manage boost the dev interviews beyond the stuttering, unprepared thingies that have been the first live dev blogs.
The only sales point of this ultimately is Xyliana 
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Caldari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Leena Raphael
I'm gobsmacked, I really am.
I can't believe the amount of whingeing that's going on here. For the first time (AFAIK) an MMO is getting it's own dedicated online TV show, and all you're doing is moaning?!
Frankly, and in my humble opinion, an MMO needs no TV shows. MMOs are played for the interactivity. If its free, sure its a nice bonus but people IMHO won't pay for it by the masses. And for the live of it I have no idea how you're reasonably get enough material even for a weekly show only about Eve, i.e. material thats actually INTERRESTING to a large number of people.
Flame me if you will but I much more like the way Guild Wars approaches "coverage" - allows you to watch tournaments and stuff right in the client and now has the introduction of automated tournaments.
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Caldari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:18:00 -
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Originally by: SHC Derek
Free trial. Theres a FREE TRIAL! I don't see why everyones making judgements without even trying the product
Because the last time I signed up for a free trial (to see how a second account/client would work) CCP costs me 15 minutes of my time by letting me sign up and confirm all the way and THEN telling me I am not allowed to login because I already have a paying account on the same box.
Even free trials can be a waste of time, thank you very much.
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Caldari
Citizens of E.A.R.T.H.
E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.20 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 20/06/2007 10:38:40
Originally by: Xicon
Why no WMP version? For a venture such as this, it is important to select the method that is going to give the widest number of people the best experience. WMP is simply unsuitable for what we are doing here. We will be looking at different methods of distribution, but for the time being, our extensive tests have proved that the Flash Player really does provide the best experience. It is smooth and seamless.
No - the smoothest and most seemless way is using some open and royality-free video format (such as Theora or many others) and allow people to download the file. THATS going to give the widest number of people the best experience no matter if they're on Windows, Linux, a Mac, a video-capable PDA or on a dial-up modem.
Its not like the world only consists of Windows-only WMV on one side, and Flash-Streaming on the other so using that as a Pro-Flash-streaming justification, I am sorry to say, is a total and utter moot point.
I'm sorry, I know it hurts when reality bites.
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Gallente
Shadows of the Dead
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.20 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos
I hope and trust it will be more than a 45 minuite advertisement. CCP haven't shown any real tendencies towards overt marketing to their already captive audience - and why should they? We're not the ones they need to sell the game to!
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Get it into iTunes and I'll pay $2.50 a pop for it.
Bugger off! Putting it into iTunes means that it's for you horrible little iPod owners who consider your media player to by synonymous with the technology, and would mean that a slice of the pie would need to be paid to Apple.
Flash streams can be recorded anyway...
Indeed, IF IT IS BEING STREAMED, IT MEANS IT IS COMING TO YOUR COMPUTER... WHICH MEANS YOU CAN STORE IT ON YOUR COMPUTER SOMEHOW... find the program that can do so, fix the problem... Stop whining
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Posted - 2007.06.20 11:50:00 -
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u want me to pay real life money to get a streaming ( streaming so people cant save it to give their mates ) that is being hosted by a person , spiraljunkie , who has shown to be heavily biased to a certain alliance to such an extent that he posted information from an enemies hacked private forum on eve-online . not a chance in hell sorry
getting people to pay for propoganda , priceless .
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Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.20 11:52:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Ferrosa
Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos
I hope and trust it will be more than a 45 minuite advertisement. CCP haven't shown any real tendencies towards overt marketing to their already captive audience - and why should they? We're not the ones they need to sell the game to!
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Get it into iTunes and I'll pay $2.50 a pop for it.
Bugger off! Putting it into iTunes means that it's for you horrible little iPod owners who consider your media player to by synonymous with the technology, and would mean that a slice of the pie would need to be paid to Apple.
Flash streams can be recorded anyway...
Indeed, IF IT IS BEING STREAMED, IT MEANS IT IS COMING TO YOUR COMPUTER... WHICH MEANS YOU CAN STORE IT ON YOUR COMPUTER SOMEHOW... find the program that can do so, fix the problem... Stop whining
Video Lan Client or even Fraps FTW then. Can't see this working though, when they had the fanfest last year it was a plain old HTTP stream, great for my setup (XBMC + TV), then some tournaments went into embedded on webpage flash nonsense. Tried watching it but got board, I have a TV and a nice comfy couch for that.
Now its $$$ for EVE TV, only way thats ever going to get a big amount of viewers is if it hits P2P betworks.
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Caldari
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2007.06.20 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ferrosa
Indeed, IF IT IS BEING STREAMED, IT MEANS IT IS COMING TO YOUR COMPUTER... WHICH MEANS YOU CAN STORE IT ON YOUR COMPUTER SOMEHOW... find the program that can do so, fix the problem... Stop whining
You take a big loss on quality when doing that... You could also find that it's illegal in your country to record a live stream..
I dont get the argument about streaming, as long as ccp has the bandwith then they could easily send out a high-def stream to a lot of people.. I think a lot of you are either unhappy with your isp (and blame streaming technology) or unhappy with ur pc (and blame streaming technology)....
It's just another revinue path for ccp, so either sign up to it and give it a try, or pass it up. CCP has no type of buisness or ethical reasons to provide you any "extra" services for free..
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Originally by: Ferrosa
Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos
I hope and trust it will be more than a 45 minuite advertisement. CCP haven't shown any real tendencies towards overt marketing to their already captive audience - and why should they? We're not the ones they need to sell the game to!
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Get it into iTunes and I'll pay $2.50 a pop for it.
Bugger off! Putting it into iTunes means that it's for you horrible little iPod owners who consider your media player to by synonymous with the technology, and would mean that a slice of the pie would need to be paid to Apple.
Flash streams can be recorded anyway..
Indeed, IF IT IS BEING STREAMED, IT MEANS IT IS COMING TO YOUR COMPUTER... WHICH MEANS YOU CAN STORE IT ON YOUR COMPUTER SOMEHOW... find the program that can do so, fix the problem... Stop whining
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Posted - 2007.06.20 12:07:00 -
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Personally I'm in favour of the Eve-TV initiative yet again CCP deliver.
I have to admit to some reservations tho.
That is, I'm a little concerned about it being a Pay-per-minute.
Don't get me wrong I don't mind paying for the service, it's just that I foresee an instance where my 'J-Credits' balance may be drained by the dreaded lag monster. For instance paying my $2 for 30 minutes and maybe getting 10 minutes of viewing as a worst case scenario.
Often when watching online streaming media I will let it buffer for a while before I start watching.
So I suppose my real question is; Will I be paying for every minute I am using the service or will I be only paying for the stated duration of the broadcast?
Some clarification on this would be appreciated if possible.
Other than that I will be tuning in and trying it out before I start screaming 
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Minmatar
Alfa Corporation
Rough Necks
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Posted - 2007.06.20 12:32:00 -
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Generaly, thats all - is a good idea, but looks like with wrong realisation. Majority people here do not want pay for this, and not because they cant. And aproach - "they will pay anyway" will not work here.
I am shure, that some guys will capture that streams and upload it for free. So majority of audience will be satisfied, and EVE TV will goes broke due low money income. Maybe you should try to translate VERY low bandwich for free? And if person want QUALITY - he pay and download mpeg2 or something. But it can be another problem - people do not need quality, they want content. So.. why spend money on unneeded things?
Will try to say strait - give people what they want, and they will pay somehow. ATM you try to give people very questionable content and unneeded superquality, and allready want money. For what?
Lets see Saturday... it can be first and last show in that way. To cover expenses for weekly show with europe production costs you need about 10k-20k at least, which means 5k audience just to cover expenses. Notice, that many subscribers in EVE have multiple accs, so from great 170k i cut half - 85 k of potential auditory. Looks like brilliant future! 85 k x 2 usd= 170k weekly! More than half million per month! I even cant imagine how COOL it MUST be! With all this potential money! It must be cooler than MANY free TV shows! If you can do it, i will pay for that!
Saturday... MTV humble-mumble? Few cool jingles and graphics? Interview with lead GM's? Ingame cover of alliances wars? All this do not have a value of 2 bucks for vewing... 2x4,5= 9 per month x 12=108 per year.
IT SHOULD BE FREE, you should find a way to earn money on that. Cut expenses, do advertising. Be competetive! At least, do year subscription for 15 bucks! You will earn steady sum and growing audience... become the part of EVE, not just good business project on game fans!
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Edited by: Z3r0n on 20/06/2007 12:42:04
firstly thx for the response Xyliana even thou my post was a little less then friendly.  i would just like to say that it really isn't the idea of eve-tv that i find bad - i actually found/find eve-tv really cool since i've seen it first but when i went into the forum and the first thread i see is "eve tv will cost money" then i sorta lost it a little bit...
i think a main reason why i got so ****ed off (at least for me) was also the enitre eve-voice rubish... first we hear about a voice service and think "wow sweet" then we find out that it costs money so noone will use it (besides the other disadvantages compared with TS). then we get to watch eve-tv and BAMM! a little while later that also costs money. this kinda gets under my skin... i mean i pay for eve every month but now if i wanna fully "take part" in the game then i have to turn around and pay even more extra...
the reason why i named youtube and/or tv-links is exactly because they use a few banners or other ads and seem to be able to finance their bandwith and infrastructure no problem. so somehow i don't understand how a pay-by-minute system could possibly be prefferable to a free service with a few ads.
i mean i most likley wouldn't even have whined as much if it were a pay-once deal... at least i could then simply pay and watch and not have to worry about crashing in the middle of the stream or other such stuff.
also i think if you simply gave us a file to download for 1$ a go then i doubt as many people would be so unhappy.
oh well... i'll follow your recommendation and watch the free EVE-TV show... then i'll think about whether it's worth 100$ a year to me.
btw.
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If you can't understand the difference between an advertising-supported service and a subscription service then there really isn't any point talking to you.
i do see the difference i just don't understand the choice that was made. the same goes for the method of distribution.
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I suspect, though, that you're being deliberately obtuse.
yeah well you are right i was simply a little angry because i really hate this "pay for everyrhing" stuff... i'd simply rather see a few geeks blathering about eve then some big-shot tv-show that i have to pay for...
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Not CCP.
granted however someone at CCP must also have had their hands in there to some extent - and i'm sure they could also have influenced the method of distribution and price to some extent. but i essence you are right - i shouldn't have said CCP.
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It being separate means that those willing to pay can pay and those unwilling suffer no ill effect.
well it depends on what "ill effect" means... i would say that if you really wanna take part in the game then the more information and background the better - that means anyone with a credit card has this info and anyone else does not. so on some level it is an ill effect (even if i have to say that the disadvantage is minor).
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Gallente
Veto Corp
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Forgive me if I seem arrogant when you read this, it really isn't intentional.
I've spoke to a LOT of people ingame about this, and the majority of them share my concerns.
I'd like to lay this out in a simple, easy to read format that's straight to the point so hopefully we can see some of these concerns laid to rest :
The initial concern is the cost, and why.
I'm willing to bet that had the streams remained free, and CCP has said "Hey guys, we're hosting Eve-TV from Reykjavik again, we're open for donations for anyone who wants to pitch in, we kind of need the cash to run it." more would have been made than basically demanding that if people want to watch it, they have to pay and can only watch it once for that price.
While we appreciate the fact that Eve-TV has gone "Pro", in the same token most people I've spoken to enjoyed it when it was in it's original form :
Spiral, chavr0s jamesw, ifni and a few other people sat on a couch in a decent enough set, in Iceland, talking about Eve with other long term veteran players working on the commentary and crew and a hell of a lot of knowledge and experience of the game to throw around between them and debate.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm sure the new team are a a great bunch and I mean this with full respect to them, but I'm not sure that this whole "going pro" thing is a good move. The people who've been chosen are rookies to the game, with little to no experience and not a lot of background experience of the game and politics from what can be seen on the Eve-TV website.
A degree in media whatevergubbins really doesn't mean a lot other than they know how to react on camera. There's no substitute for having people who know the game inside out comment on what's happening, especially people who've been around since Eve began.
Just about everyone I've spoke to agrees that while it's nice to have "hawt chix" presenting a TV show, we'd all rather see Spiral and the good old crew looking half cut, talking crap with devs and having a laugh while bringing us the REAL Eve-TV experience.
Eve is about community, and it's about celebrating how close the playerbase is together, and how well the developers relate to that. That's what the old studio, and the old crew were. It was thrown together, it was rough round the edges and unscripted, but it was awesome to watch. We don't want some fancy multimillion pound studio, huge ass effects and massive GFX videos. We want real Eve spirit. MINMATAR style spirit.
We like EVE, we like the COMMUNITY. We like a glass coffee table and two sofas stolen from Hilmar's office. We like people drinking year out of date quafe, and fits of giggles. We like unscripted hilarity and Devs on hand to be put on the spot to answer questions. We like to see devs interviewed in their offices, not pre-scripted in a studio somewhere. We like black drapes hung over someone's hijacked office walls for a backdrop. We like trailing cables, posters falling off the walls, and pure nubcakes who don't know how to use IRC properly.
The fact that Eve-TV has been so sucessful is because it's been broadcast by the players, for the players, direct from the HEART of CCP in Reykjavik. It's been full of laughs, it's been wall to wall with great moments and it's produced some of the funniest stuff I've seen in the Eve Community in all my time playing.
It's a kick ass gesture, it's a great concept and a lot of time, work and planning has gone into "The New Eve-TV".
The problem is that it's just simply too expensive for the majority of the playerbase to justify paying for if they can only see it once for that price.
It's too manufactured, it's not off the cuff enough, and from where it stands now it looks like it doesn't have the wholesome community feel that the REAL Eve-TV had.
Sadly, I won't be paying for it. From everyone in my corp I've heard speak, they won't be paying for it, likewise for our allies, and most of our neutral friends.
Bring back the REAL Eve-TV.
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Omerta Syndicate
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.20 19:22:00 -
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I agree with Verone. While the new "pro" setup is nice and all, I bet quite a few would have volunteered their services (like me) to throw in their share of their amazing talents to help you all bring EVETV to life for the enjoyment of ALL EVE addicted players.
For players, by players. Duct tape ftw.
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Caldari
Trinity Nova
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.20 19:49:00 -
[225]
I had been waiting to say something until after I have seen the first broadcast, but I think that verone has hit the nail on the head, spot on mate.
I think personally what would make the whole thing a lot more palatable if I am paying for the service at the very least would be none of this streaming rubbish, give me DRM infected WMV to download and I will grumble but probably a hell of a lot less. You can limit the machines it works on, I can still put it on my portable devices, I can still stream it to my TV and most importantly I can pick it up or put it down as I desire.
I really don't think the idea of an overproduced EveTV losing what it was that I loved about it, being charged for the privilige of watching it and I guess if I do pay I have to watch the stream all in one sitting I cannot pick it up or put it down as I desire or it will take more credits.
I am interested and excited by the potential you guys have going with this service... but its going to be unwatchable by many because too many comprimises have to be made and it a certian extent we feel it may have lost its heart and soul.
Theres a reason theres been no really sucessful computer game based TV shows on conventional TV... not because there isn't a potential audience but because the publishers and developers don't understand their audience or the product they are dealing with.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 19:50:00 -
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I can imagine CCP does not have any fortunetellers among they staff, so it certainly is kinda hard to know what people really want and expect, but guessing that it is not paying for a more professional eve-tv wouln't have been too hard i suppose.
maybe ccp's plans will be working out and everybody complaining now will sit in front of they computers with they creditcards at hand once the new eve-tv is launched, i for one can't imagine this.
i suppose that ASKING people what they would like to see and if/how much they would be willing to pay for that wouldn't have been a bad idea, but hell what do i know.
i can only wish you guys good luck, hope wou wont be loosing to much money with that new venture, and i'll certainly will be checking the forums to hear some opinins about the show once its out!
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Posted - 2007.06.20 19:54:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 20/06/2007 19:53:12
I will pay 50 cents to watch
1 will pay 3$ to watch if it's only once a month
I will pay 1$ to download an episode
there is no way this cost more than a show like battlestar
I'm sure we'll be able to pirateEvE tV... but I don't want to!...
on second account... I will pirate your shows CCP
and I'll donate 1$ each time I watch it
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Mirana Niranne
The Ninja Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.20 20:12:00 -
[228]
You know, I'm with Verone on this one. I think it's wonderful you guys are putting so much into making EVETV professional and stuff, but 2 couches, a black drape, and Minerdave's dinosaur getting shoved in Stavros's pants while a hung-over looking spiralJunkie sits by is more Eve to me than some fancy pants multi-million dollar studio. I personally liked the "unprofessional" look the show had.
I, like most people I think, will give the free show a look and see what you guys have done, but to put value in perspective, I pay roughly $600 a year for 150+ channels of programming on cable TV with lots of quality shows on at most hours of the day. I have serious doubts that a 45 minute show once a week, that I have to sit at my computer to watch while I could be doing other stuff (like playing eve), is going to amount to 1/6 of that value. For less than twice what EveTV will cost I can get a premium movie channel package added to my cable TV... Do you see where I'm going here?
My advice: Get some sponsors, and kill the cash requirement. Going by the general responses in this thread, I think EveTV, as you are putting it forward now, will not get far off the ground.
(And yes, in the event someone pops in here realizing whose main this is, I am speaking for myself, not anyone else.)
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Nyack
GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2007.06.20 20:24:00 -
[229]
can someone plz point me in the direction where i can solve my audio issue with flashbased streaming media. my sound works in everything else besides things like eve-tv and youtube.. plz help me solve it so i can view it on saturday
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.20 20:27:00 -
[230]
Sounds great, let me know when I can pay in ISK.
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Nyack
GREY COUNCIL
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Posted - 2007.06.20 20:28:00 -
[231]
i guess they are gonna make the same f.up as last tournament and air this year in crapy flasstreaming crap
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Dragon Eddie
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Posted - 2007.06.20 20:40:00 -
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Edited by: Dragon Eddie on 20/06/2007 20:41:48
Edited by: Dragon Eddie on 20/06/2007 20:39:24
Originally by: EVETV Sapateiro
Just to stress that EVE TV has not invested ú11m in building a studio. EVE TV is hiring a studio that has had ú11m spent on it. A lot of time was spent looking for a suitable studio, and the one we chose was nearby, fully-equipped, reasonably priced and the guy in charge is a gamer... not an EVE fan, sadly, but we're working on that.
We haven't gone out and hired people just to justify charging a high price. We've hired people who are necessary to making a quality broadcast. Many people are working on a volunteer basis, some aren't - but the point is that regardless of how much is spent, EVE TV, like EVE itself, is a commercial entity, whose existence can only be justified by an ability to make some kind of profit in the long term. (Much as that pains me to say all this, being a pinko lefty socialist hippy an' all).
EVE TV will cost money to watch. To begin with it will be pay-per-view. That may well change in the future. There could be a subscription model. There could be payable downloads. It could be about having 'premium' content and reduced fee content.... Whatever develops, unless EVE TV can secure enough advertising to subsidise fees (which might be possible, we'll see), EVE TV will not be free to watch, except for the live PvP Tournament coverage.
Thanks
You mean you don't know yet?
Who exactly are the target audience?
The more knowledge you share, the more we pride. EvEtv is probably going to ber sold off anyway. Whenever it gets public beyong jump gate ears.
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CEO Pyrex
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.20 20:44:00 -
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Who on earth is doing CCPs market analysis? This doesnt sound like a top 3 market need for eve.
Eve-tv is probably below "eve fridge magnets" on the wish list for me
This sounds like what I call in the business a "Pet Project" as in a group of people sit around drinking and think, "how can I be sent somewhere nice and warm for 3 months and do easy work?"
The business answer is to fool the boss into funding a project that really doesnt require doing but if you can get him to sign on the dotted line, you get a buttload of cash and flight vouchers to run your 'project'
But hey, I dont want to be negative, good luck with the venture guys - sounds like a big business risk to me.
If CCP is looking to hand out Franchises I would like to get one to build "eve action figures" Sir Molle with a kung-fu pet grip or perhaps Ramedial with a side of ham police baton.
I predict sales of 10000 units per annum with ROI of 35%
Send the cheque made out to 'C A S H' care of DS1 HQ
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MotherMoon
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Posted - 2007.06.20 20:46:00 -
[234]
hehe because we have to stream it
this has become another time sink
lol
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justcheckingthemarket
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Posted - 2007.06.20 20:53:00 -
[235]
Originally by: CEO Pyrex
Who on earth is doing CCPs market analysis? This doesnt sound like a top 3 market need for eve.
Eve-tv is probably below "eve fridge magnets" on the wish list for me
This sounds like what I call in the business a "Pet Project" as in a group of people sit around drinking and think, "how can I be sent somewhere nice and warm for 3 months and do easy work?"
The business answer is to fool the boss into funding a project that really doesnt require doing but if you can get him to sign on the dotted line, you get a buttload of cash and flight vouchers to run your 'project'
But hey, I dont want to be negative, good luck with the venture guys - sounds like a big business risk to me.
If CCP is looking to hand out Franchises I would like to get one to build "eve action figures" Sir Molle with a kung-fu pet grip or perhaps Ramedial with a side of ham police baton.
I predict sales of 10000 units per annum with ROI of 35%
Send the cheque made out to 'C A S H' care of DS1 HQ
eve fridge magnets... sonds great, i'll take a bunch =)
oh and don't forget to send some of those action figures!
honestly i would rather pay for some crap like that, at least i would spend my money on something i can use all over again, whenever i want to and not get carged eeverytime i get my eve action figure (tm :D) out to do some mischief ^^
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Berand
Shadow Of The Light
R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.20 20:57:00 -
[236]
Quote:
We like EVE, we like the COMMUNITY. We like a glass coffee table and two sofas stolen from Hilmar's office.
I have to sign what Verone said too. I dug EveTV for the alliance tournaments. If I had to choose between the free old volunteer-run edition complete with Spiral, the green plastic dinosaur and his pals on the couch, or paying for the pro edition, I'd pick volunteer every time. Although Jalipo was hideous for the alliance tournament, and I'm disappointed they were chosen to work with on this.
As it is, I don't see enough value in paying to get professional EveTV, even if I assume the very best show I can imagine. I mean, if I'm looking for something to do I'll more then likely actually PLAY Eve... after all, I'm already paying for that. I might turn on EveTV while sitting at a POS or a station camp or something, but I don't want to feel guilty that I'm not watching it and getting my money's worth out.
I might like the idea of "bundling" it up with some other stuff, then charging another $2 or so on my monthly subscription. Maybe you get the premium package, and it comes with EveTV, entrance in to a monthly lottery for a rare ship, an annual lottery for free tickets to Fanfest, and breakfast in bed on your birthday served by the Dev team. Or something like that.
As it stands now, I'll watch the free episode and that's it. Then I'll just try to keep my ears open and see if changes come about.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 20:58:00 -
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Edited by: theteck on 20/06/2007 20:59:00
its weird i start eve tv ... and check the welcome video and i choose 1 meg view
i dont know that cost money...
and after 10 minutes i think ... the video cut and say need credit ? ... wtf
hahaha i read the complet section ... and
i never pay for this ....
hey guy in studio ? you have the super connection for making bandwith for the server ...
why dont make your free tv ... just a good home cam and bandwith and somes good speaking people and its very not expensive and fun ? you have a viewer in game ... put this on tv in sector with high activity....
but never ask money for a a service offer to promote the game and maybe i want to show this to somes peoples ... to attract to play with me in this game ....
that not good
make eve tv live from the the servers rooms ... and make it available in game like a video viewer
its my opinion ...
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FarScape III
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Posted - 2007.06.20 21:00:00 -
[238]
Ok I give in I'll pay, you guys are just too cool not to watch, I just hope we can rewatch them anytime we want and things like that :)
How do we sign up to watch EVE TV? I'll pay just don't know how.
I went to this website http://www.eve-online.tv but do not see were to sign in or put in a my credit card.
A Minmater City... Cool!
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Erim Solfara
Amarr
House of Solfara
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Posted - 2007.06.20 21:04:00 -
[239]
Verone hit the nail on the head so hard it's skull caved into it's stomach.
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Laah T'Sin
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Posted - 2007.06.20 21:15:00 -
[240]
Edited by: Laah T''Sin on 20/06/2007 21:15:05
Edited by: Laah T''Sin on 20/06/2007 21:14:36 - forgot the quote
Quote:
I went to this website http://www.eve-online.tv but do not see were to sign in or put in a my credit card.
it would appear that jalipo is having some "minor technical difficulties". a day or so ago i wanted to watch a fanfest2006 movie and the flash player loaded and gave me a login/register window. seems now they can't even provide a registration site without screwing up i just clicked the same fanfest movie and only get a black box where the player should be... very strange.
SCNR
btw. i agree with verone. /signed and all... give us real eve TV... with people that actually play the game... i'm really sorry to be so blunt but i simply doubt that a noob that just finished a few lvl1 missions or veld mining is going to be very interesting to listen to / watch. i mean i've been playing for quite a while now and i still know **** about alot of the things that happend. if there were some more vets on the air then i might be able to fill a few of those gaps.. but veld mining and lvl1s... pass. |
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Lysit Kaune
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.20 21:30:00 -
[241]
Originally by: Verone
Just about everyone I've spoke to agrees that while it's nice to have "hawt chix" presenting a TV show
<Joke>
How many female eve players does it take to present a EVE TV show?
Apparently all three of them.
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Karash Amerius
Amarr
O.E.C
Legionnaire Services Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 21:44:00 -
[242]
I will be downloading the transcripts, thanks
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Kruel
Save our Souls
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Posted - 2007.06.20 22:15:00 -
[243]
Originally by: Wardog 1
Honestly, a low quality show for free is better than a show with fancy studios and extra specialists which will cost money.
My thoughts exactly.
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Karash Amerius
Amarr
O.E.C
Legionnaire Services Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.06.20 22:47:00 -
[244]
Maybe you guys should just do a program on G4 and pump it out to the masses.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2007.06.21 06:20:00 -
[245]
Originally by: theteck
make it available in game like a video viewer
Given that the forums are not IGB compatible three years later, your suggestion may be a bit ambitious.
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Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Garia666 on 21/06/2007 15:36:42
The more i read this the more respect i get for guy`s like cribba..
Doing it all for free. how this community should be!
if you are a person who is actualy thinking to pay for this service..
spend your rl cash on donations first to eve-files or eve-search eveinfo..
Those ae the people who deserve the money.
EVE-TV just want to get your money out of your wallet..
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QwaarJet
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.21 15:54:00 -
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Verone, that post was brilliant. Almost brought a tear to my eye. The community feel of the first tournament was brilliant. The set was fine, and it felt a lot closer when it was a sofa. I can't really add anything to it, you've said basically what i've been feeling.
Quote:
Nearly an hour of the same stuff I can mostly read about in Eve-Tribune and the forums, for tournament coverage that doesn't really interrest me, for "this alliance took that system from those loosers" reports that I couldn't care less about since like most people (think this needs emphasis) I'm not yet a member of BoB or their adversaries ... one time watching for $2 and billed by the minute?
You make a good point, as someone in a major alliance, anything that I got told on EVETV, I'll already have known before they did. And even if I didn't know about it, I can read it on websites for free, in much more detail, by more qualified people. Visual coverage is nice, but not important enough to put up with crappy flash, and then shell out for it after that.
I appreciate the idea. EVETV has personally done so much for me, being featured on a production like EVETV 2(soon to be 3) times is an honour.
Just try not stray from the original ideals behind EVETV. This all seems too manufactured, and maybe getting back to the basics wouldn't be a bad idea.
Good luck guys.
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The Gate
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:00:00 -
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Noticed that all but one of the presenters are new players, no offence but why should i or anybody really care what these new players think of the tutorials, or what their experience of mining veld in the noob systems was like ?
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente
Phoenix Wing
Acheron Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:03:00 -
[249]
Verone 1 - EVEtv 0
Sorry, best of luck to you, I have a feeling you'll need it
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Duke Grail
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:41:00 -
[250]
There's no way i'm going to pay to watch this unless i can download it, save it on my computer, and watch it again and again.
Eve is now pandering to the people who play eve who have nothing better to spend their money on than a straming video broadcast?
Here's a small clue... much of eve's player base are college students or high school students. We don't have a lot of cash to just throw it away on something that's not tangible. I'm sure if there's any good content on it, someone will figure out how to make it downloadable, and it will be available via "less than honest" means. (It turns out that the same college students who don't have extra money are also fairly resourceful and technologicly capable.)
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:44:00 -
[251]
Originally by: Duke Grail
... much of eve's player base are college students or high school students....
Got a link to the source of those statistics?
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Raem Civrie
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:00:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Duke Grail
... much of eve's player base are college students or high school students....
Got a link to the source of those statistics?
He didn't mean anything by it Winterblink. It's ok. He did not mean to imply that you people are all horribly old, relics of a distant past, decaying bags of fervent nostalgia and mortgages, products of the timewarp 80's (and sometimes 70's) that have no role amongst todays sputnik generations of upstanding, forward-thinking youngsters poised to take over the world.
....
I am subtlety incarnate, with a dash of serious cat.
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:04:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Duke Grail
... much of eve's player base are college students or high school students....
Got a link to the source of those statistics?
Find a "post your pic" thread on OOPE
Most are of drunk students and crazed people with the chainsaws photoshopped out
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:05:00 -
[254]
Originally by: Raem Civrie
He didn't mean anything by it Winterblink. It's ok. He did not mean to imply that you people are all horribly old, relics of a distant past, decaying bags of fervent nostalgia and mortgages, products of the timewarp 80's (and sometimes 70's) that have no role amongst todays sputnik generations of upstanding, forward-thinking youngsters poised to take over the world.
hahahahaha
I was merely curious as to whether there was actually a breakdown of stats like that anywhere about EVE. :) Would be an interesting read.
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Duke Grail
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:05:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Duke Grail
... much of eve's player base are college students or high school students....
Got a link to the source of those statistics?
How about the expierence of my 2 years in eve... at least half of the people in corps that i've been in have been in college or high school. I've been in a hand full of corps, so i'd say... I can't be that far from the truth.
Notice how i didn't say "ALL OF EVE's PLAYER BASE" ... there are some old people... there just seem to be a lot more young guys.
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:29:00 -
[256]
Verone summed it up perfectly.
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Ling Xiao
Prism Project Technologies
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:34:00 -
[257]
Originally by: Death Kill
Verone summed it up perfectly.
Yup, 100% agreed.
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prathe
Minmatar
Omega Enterprises
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:40:00 -
[258]
EVE TV has been brought to you by .... Nvidia , DELL and the sci-fi channel
problem solved
love prathey
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:47:00 -
[259]
Edited by: Akita T on 21/06/2007 19:47:05
Sadly, Verone is completely right.
Regardless of how "pro" you go, you won't get any significant number of views, and you won't even cover costs.
Sorry guys, you're just not HBO.
The only way to keep EVE-TV going is if the lowest-quality version is free, and the costs are kept to a minimum, even if it means NOT "going pro", or "going pro" the old fashioned TV way.
Commercials.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:50:00 -
[260]
All joking aside, the price of EVE TV is going to be less then a McDonald's bacon egg sandwich and coffee that morning (for my hang over while I watch the first episode to see what its all about).
"Duct tape ftw", "stay grass-roots"???
Look, I'm an 'alternative' guy too and all but bring the 11 million isk studio on baby! I don't mind paying a buck for it.
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Kiyano
Caldari
Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:55:00 -
[261]
I can safely say that a lot of people do have the cash to part with for this, as lets face it... not all that much, of course to most people it seems to be the principle that is in conflict at the moment. Personally I previously enjoyed Eve tv quite a bit, now if they say its worth paying for... well one can only conclude that it is indeed much better then before... they wouldn't ask for money if it was worse lol.
So, i'm going to check it out and if i think its worth it, and I'll give it some time to decide. I'll definitely pay for it.
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Soren
PAK
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:05:00 -
[262]
Originally by: Ling Xiao
Originally by: Death Kill
Verone summed it up perfectly.
Yup, 100% agreed.
its true =\
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Iva Soreass
FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:06:00 -
[263]
Verone and Garia666 hit it on the nail for me.
Wont be paying but good luck with it.
I was violated by BackDoor Bandit :*(
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Isyel
Minmatar
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:09:00 -
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Bunch of whiners. hmph.
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Originally by: Wrangler
We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want *both* anti-social *and* social players to grief each other!
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:26:00 -
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Edited by: Elmicker on 21/06/2007 20:25:52
/signed on verone.
They expect people to pay approximately 4 times the amount of every other show on the service, to watch a flash stream once.
Not only this, but they expect us to watch 3 people undergoing a "new player experience." See: Pulling 3 random, albeit good-looking, students off the street and paying them to play eve.
As much as i'm sure i'd enjoy that, i'll keep my ú1 a week, thanks. Maybe i'll give it to Chribba, you know, someone providing a useful and community-based service.
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Psyk
Amarr
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:44:00 -
[266]
I couldn't agree with Verone more. The whole point on Eve TV is its made by the community for the community, once that stops your missing the point and you've lost the whole focus of the thing.
For me it's all about the substance of the programmes and not about having great sound, editing and presenters. Thats not why I'm watching. Sorry but I to won't be paying for it.
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Kodiak31415
An Eye For An Eye
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:48:00 -
[267]
Verone got it dead on.
Give me a bunch of eve nerds, a $20 crap studio, and a bunch of half drunk devs.
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Aeco Feife
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Posted - 2007.06.21 21:00:00 -
[268]
Having listened to (most of) the Live Dev Blog about EVETV and EON...
Could I get a copyright on the "things of that nature" drinking game whenever the girl that talks on the blog is on the TV?
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Allan Robertson
Gallente
Azure Horizon
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.06.21 21:04:00 -
[269]
Humm a pay-per-view EVE TV just for people to tell us how big and amazing BoB is, I kinda liked EVE TV before all this it's lost it's magic when money and corporate intrests get invloved. I *might* signup for the first episode but I can't see me coming back for anymore. And
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.22 01:45:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 22/06/2007 01:45:46
Hmm, using the overpriced and unpleasant Jalipo software? I generally dislike streamingin all its forms, but Jalipo is one of the worst of the lot.
Just do a google search for Jalipo and note how many negative results you get...
Pay per view = poor. Pay per view streaming = absolute fail.
EDIT: Also, extremely uninformative dev blog. Didn't address a single question that I've seen about the service. TBH, I'm struggling to work up the energy to watch the free trial at this rate...
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Posted - 2007.06.22 02:03:00 -
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Just do a google search for Jalipo and note how many negative results you get...
Pay per view = poor. Pay per view streaming = absolute fail.
Wow that's exactly what it's like posting to this website about poor game play. hehe
They could care less just keep paying them and they will continue to FU
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Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.06.22 02:34:00 -
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Edited by: Nyphur on 22/06/2007 02:33:47
Converting cash into points or tokens is something that casinos do to make people mentally separate the two. It's easier to make someone part with a token worth ú200 than it is to make them part with the actual cash. I'd rather be able to straight up pay for the service with paypal but I know you guys are having to keep costs down and are working with another company.
Good luck on this. I'll probably tune in to watch the first one if it is indeed free. However, at 5 "credits" per minute, the free 200 won't last for the entire 45 minutes, we'll miss the last five minutes and that will probably ruin the experience. I'm unlikely to pay for the show and would encourage you to find alternative sources of funding but that's up to you guys.
One thing I will suggest is running low-budget shows. Use a lot of people talking, videos of in-game footage and have people call in with skype to participate ratehr than flying them out somewhere just to chat to them. A good example would be an interview program. Low-budget but high quality programming is hard to pull off but not impossible. The original EveTV alliance tournament coverage was relatively inexpensive, I assume.
EDIT: Oh, you need to download special software for it? Yeah, can't be bothered with that.
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Posted - 2007.06.22 03:11:00 -
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Quote:
We are also hiring a state-of-the-art ú11 million studio in which we will film every week.
sry this was your first blemish. maybe it's a bit harsh...
but most ppl are not willing to pay for hm whatever eve tv will be.
first, if you would take a NON state-of-the-art hyperbillion film studio, but rather a smaller newcomer company wich you would help with a larger project you could save your cash and probably OUR too.
you can pay a LOT of $ for name... and it seems you've done that twice now.
whats your next step ? taking $ for myeve ? making screenshots ? ingame mail ?
if you need xtra$ just take $ for your HARD work.. i talk about upgrades like revelation...
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Posted - 2007.06.22 03:13:00 -
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im not paying.
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the blender
the Gentleman Loser
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Posted - 2007.06.22 03:18:00 -
[275]
I forsee spilt quafe and tears.
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Algorithm 5
Caldari
Hakata Group
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Posted - 2007.06.22 03:47:00 -
[276]
Originally by: SHC Derek
Free trial. Theres a FREE TRIAL! I don't see why everyones making judgements without even trying the product
We tried it for the Caldari Tournement. It completely died, and my trial credits died with it.
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Minmatar
Alfa Corporation
Rough Necks
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Posted - 2007.06.22 09:00:00 -
[277]
I think - CCP must build up their own small studio - it will cost around 150k one time investment, hire 2-3 people to work there. And they will giva us REAL eveTV for free. We already pay for game, and there is MANY of us. 150k for video hardware/software - its a 10k players monthly fee. CCP have 170k+. CCP, consider this money like investment in players - old and new.
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QwaarJet
Gallente
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.22 09:43:00 -
[278]
I'll bet you guys wish EVETV was live tomorrow, since now you won't be able to cover the Titan death...
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Caldari
K-lash-nek-off
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Posted - 2007.06.25 09:37:00 -
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Eve TV as an idea is superb, i thoroughly enjoyed the previous tournament and other video posts however, i agree with the majority that paying to stream is a little weak
i think it would be far easier and fairer to literally take a small sum from a yearly budget and make your own studio, get a few cameras link it all up, use all the usual hosts and the few extra people like make up etc as you were saying and run it as a free service with episodes being donwloadable from the website.
you could run a scheme where you could catch the last weeks episode up until the airing of the new episode, and if you were unable to catch it there is a service in which you pay and can download, this will allow for a aprt of your running costs as people are more willing to pay a small sum for a downloadable show
also advertise? why can you not advertise on this program to reduce costs ??
well thts my opinions :D
and as it stands i will not be paying for EVE-tv
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Posted - 2007.06.25 10:42:00 -
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Paying for Eve-TV? Bah, humbug. No way.
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Kornel
Minmatar
Alfa Corporation
Rough Necks
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Posted - 2007.06.25 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Kornel on 25/06/2007 12:17:36
Well it happened... I see first free show. Payable or not, its not the question anymore for me now.
I am make shows, news, programs. Its my real life job. If I will do SO MANY ERRORS in almost all layers of production I will be fired in same day. Its not PRO, its not even amateur... This kind of quality.... give me one time budget of around 150k-250k, and you recieve BETTER , MUCH better results with only personnel salary weekly cost. And your own set...which can be used for many other things, like producing something for EON...
Sound, sound levels, material editing ,lighting, studio set... all is BAD! I was LOL, when see 4 people light set... expecialy on the right... its 11M studio? LOL LOL LOL!
This reading from paper... person who talk to the edge of screen... Its a show about how you do not do that. Its fall under my LOWEST expectations.
People who maked it and approoved it to show to public call themselthes PRO... LOL LOL LOL!
Guys in EVETV, you should pay us for that! Anyway, thank you for good comedy! Expecialy makeup for goth looking girl. I do not believe that second attempt will be better.
P.S. Pro hardware do not mean PRO quality. Find right PRO people.
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TheHolyKamikaze
Odessa Operations
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.25 12:50:00 -
[282]
I have to agree with most people here.
Paying for EveTV is not a good idea, and probably keep me from watching it.
Though keep in mind, just like most media on the internet, I'm sure someone will end up recording it and providing it free on the internet.
Just a prediction.
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Singularity.
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Posted - 2007.06.25 13:05:00 -
[283]
Pay to watch someone else play and talk about eve ?
no thanks.
Another pointless service when time effort and cash could have been spent on other things, MAn i really love this game but CCP are an absolute joke.
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Rusty PwnStar
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.06.25 14:14:00 -
[284]
Will it be the same 'top quality' as before, when watching the fights.
If so I'll pay.
Oh wait.....
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Arclan Cirel
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Posted - 2007.06.25 15:35:00 -
[285]
With the greatest of respect charging for EVE-TV is a failure of business development, the primary role of these services is to encourage new users to join EVE, anyone who is naive enough to believe that these services can be revenue generators is delusional. Both EVE-TV and EON should be publicity vehicles, nothing more. The fee will ultimately do more harm than good, cynically, they could always get folk hooked and then start charging, anyone ever heard of 'Bait and Hook?', i suspect however that the target audience is not large enough for profit.
If i want to see a fat english guy spouting drivel i need only look in the mirror, that's free...
If CCP really want to expand the business they need to get serious about the back story and produce some video shorts (with actors!). Also, take the item descriptions seriously, e.g. "250mm railgun - for blowing S@#$ up" - please, we take the game seriously so should you.
If i were in charge of CCP you'd have a million subscribers by year end, there, i said it....
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ZeeWolf
Asguard Security Service
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.26 18:54:00 -
[286]
Any cost is too high for some poor half-assed production.
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Guilliman R
Gallente
PRO Space Hunters
Federation Of united Corps
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Posted - 2007.06.26 19:23:00 -
[287]
11mil that could have been spend on state of the are servers :(
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Lost Vagus
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Posted - 2007.06.26 21:41:00 -
[288]
ITUNES you idiots, nuf said,
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Lysit Kaune
Minmatar
Phoenix Division
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:06:00 -
[289]
Originally by: Kornel
Edited by: Kornel on 25/06/2007 12:17:36
Well it happened... I see first free show. Payable or not, its not the question anymore for me now.
I am make shows, news, programs. Its my real life job. If I will do SO MANY ERRORS in almost all layers of production I will be fired in same day. Its not PRO, its not even amateur... This kind of quality.... give me one time budget of around 150k-250k, and you recieve BETTER , MUCH better results with only personnel salary weekly cost. And your own set...which can be used for many other things, like producing something for EON...
Sound, sound levels, material editing ,lighting, studio set... all is BAD! I was LOL, when see 4 people light set... expecialy on the right... its 11M studio? LOL LOL LOL!
This reading from paper... person who talk to the edge of screen... Its a show about how you do not do that. Its fall under my LOWEST expectations.
People who maked it and approoved it to show to public call themselthes PRO... LOL LOL LOL!
Guys in EVETV, you should pay us for that! Anyway, thank you for good comedy! Expecialy makeup for goth looking girl. I do not believe that second attempt will be better.
P.S. Pro hardware do not mean PRO quality. Find right PRO people.
Am I the only one to get that to flow is I imagine its Borat saying it.
"I am make shows, news, programs. Its my real life job. If I will do SO MANY ERRORS in almost all layers of production I will be fired in same day."
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:16:00 -
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I'd be willing to pay some money for watching EVE-TV, because it does cost money sorting it all out. However, from what I've seen so far of EVE-TV, I'm not spending a single dime on it.
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Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:21:00 -
[291]
Download button are where?
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Phoebus Athenian
Gallente
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:22:00 -
[292]
Just an idea since I'm never going to pay for streaming...
How about you let out a free bittorrent stream of the actual file in high quality...
Stick it on Rapidshare.com and similar places?
That'd be awesome and will get you exposure.
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ZeeWolf
Asguard Security Service
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.26 22:47:00 -
[293]
We could however all pitch in 1 pence each, then someone can purchase the stream, fraps it, then host it on YouTube :D
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Posted - 2007.06.27 03:18:00 -
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Posted - 2007.06.27 03:24:00 -
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How about spending this Eve-tv budget on something that the players want Like MORE SERVERS to help with the fackin lag, or buy more dev's to iron out the de-sync bug (and more) etc etc etc!!!.
whats the point of advertising this game when the server's are buckling under already heavy load, we suppost to tell our new starters that fleet 0.0 battle's are catch 22 and you may or may not lose your ship to a server blip or de-sync (any number of load related issues).. but there certainly wont be reimbursment for your loss, sure that would keep those subs coming.
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Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.27 10:48:00 -
[296]
Originally by: KenDoll
How about spending this Eve-tv budget on something that the players want Like MORE SERVERS to help with the fackin lag, or buy more dev's to iron out the de-sync bug (and more) etc etc etc!!!.
whats the point of advertising this game when the server's are buckling under already heavy load, we suppost to tell our new starters that fleet 0.0 battle's are catch 22 and you may or may not lose your ship to a server blip or de-sync (any number of load related issues).. but there certainly wont be reimbursment for your loss, sure that would keep those subs coming.
Your argument would be valid if CCP were actually involved in teh production of Eve-TV.
They don't pay for it, or produce it, MMM publishing who print E-ON do. The only affiliation with CCP is that they advertise it on the Eve-Online site, and have devs go on the show to talk.
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Caldari
OcUK
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Posted - 2007.06.27 10:54:00 -
[297]
GET AN AUTOCUE!!
It looks so unprofessional to keep looking down at notes, it looks as though your eyes are closed most of the time. Surely an autocue could have been included in the budget.
I can't see myself paying for this, there were things mentioned in the "coming up in this show" bit that didn't appear and the audio balancing was rubbish, some segments were really quiet and almost inaudible.
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Irob Urore
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Posted - 2007.06.27 11:02:00 -
[298]
the tournaments are free arnt they? thats all i really want to see.
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CaptianBlack
Minmatar
EFFI Reanchoring
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Posted - 2007.06.27 11:08:00 -
[299]
from what i've heard so far it's gonna be free to watch,
the tourney better be free.. and not PPV, gonna start losing alot of viewers if they do..
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Caldari
The SAS
The Kano Organisation
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Posted - 2007.07.03 12:32:00 -
[300]
I don't mind paying for it. I have the bandwith/comp to chew up streaming media.
That and I want to see the segment about the Rokh in episode 2 :)
*breaks out the CC*
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Gallente
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.03 12:39:00 -
[301]
Ok im going to be as honest as possible.
Genuinely i would prefer a less "proffional" EVETV and to not have to pay to connect with the community in such a mannor.
You dont need make up artists and the likes, we're gamers, we dont perticulary care if your cast have pimples.
We dont need graphic artists, etc etc etc. A TV Crew, a tech guy and the cast would ultimately be all you need for a good _FREE_ TV show.
Also i dont believe the first episode had enough content or enthusiasm for me to want to warrent to pay for watching future episodes.
Im sorry if this is seen as a flame but its my genuine honest opinion.
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Callisto Ares
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.07.03 19:39:00 -
[302]
Whats done is done, I don't expect Eve-TV to go free or ad supported anytime soon.
I simply think this was the wrong way to go about it. As others pointed out a value added content offering along with Eve should be included with your monthly subscription, just as other MMO's have done with comics.
I think some of the resentment over this has to do with a small and loyal fanbase that's already supporting the game (with one or more accounts each) feeling nickle and dimed when they see more and more added content or services requiring additional fees.
Voice support in the game could have been free built in with an API as other MMO's have done. Either way it doesn't fit MMO's as a separate subscription, Voice support is a group activity and Ventrilo/Teamspeak fill that role perfectly.
E-ON Magazine could have been free with the game as a PDF. The printed versions cost such a high premium over anything comparable they're definately not an impulse newstand type purchase, and the content as with many magazines isn't really exclusive.
Eve TV could have been free with less "pro" and more Diggnation style. The content is all community supplied short of exclusive CCP videos and info that could be support to Eve community sites, podcasts, and video podcasts (all of which any community manager should be doing).
If I had one question to ask here it'd be why has the short term goal of small profits taken precedence over the long term goal of a MMO developer to strengthen your community, keep them engaged in and out of the game, give them more value for their dollar than any other entertainment media available, and keep them coming back and telling their friends.
How much value can you place on free press and advertising? I for one don't think charging $2/play for streaming video makes up for potentially the value to the existing playerbase and potential new customers getting excited about the game and giving the trial a try because they watched Eve-TV and saw all the great things going on in the world.
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Posted - 2007.07.03 21:16:00 -
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I like the idea... I watched what I could with my free credits, and it was very interesting. But personally, I hope you do not put all your important info on here. I probably will never pay unless you accept ISK. I do enjoy the dev voice blogs, as I burn them to CD and listen to the chat on my way to work.
Eve TV is not for me. Not because I'm cheap, but because I don't want yet another place to pour my cash into, even if it is a few buck per episode. Of course, MAYBE, just maybe I'd pay if you got Morgan Web to host it.... or that Karen Holt babe. I'm no geek. Well, maybe I should pay so you can afford to get the hotties, but then I've been here way to long and know there'd be a nerf of her.
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principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.05 00:28:00 -
[304]
ok I've bought credits to watch eve tv its not alot I admit and will buy credits in future but I'd prefer it if I could buy episodes I guess cause I am not gonan rewatch an episode unless its really good as it would start rakcing up the costs.
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Posted - 2007.07.05 01:25:00 -
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Is there going to be a space soap opera show? That would be neat. Hire some actors, put up a cool set representing some 0.0 station. Maybe even have a set for Jita, along the lines of Sanford and Son.
Now I would pay to watch that!
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Posted - 2007.07.08 01:21:00 -
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I must consider this TV setup a missed opportunity. Of course it should be FREE of charge. Indeed: it is not very expensive- so why charge at all? Nickles and dimes work both ways.
It could have been a major boost to the community, and not only in respect to the potential player outthere.
Take it from a Dutchman- to ask for small extra fees for community services will cost you deerly in the end. Commercially spoken it would have been so much wiser to slightly raise membership fees to provide for an extra community platform(although even this would be a bad idea at this crucial stage imo).
I wish Eve all the best- it is a promising concept. I sincerely hope all the pending (game)ideas will be realized one by one. I sincerely hope the community will grow into what you hope it to be.
But as said: for the latter this TV setup is a missed opportunity.
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Jaikar Isillia
The Vinlanders
Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.07.08 03:37:00 -
[307]
Originally by: Ifness Investigations
I must consider this TV setup a missed opportunity. Of course it should be FREE of charge. Indeed: it is not very expensive- so why charge at all? Nickles and dimes work both ways.
It could have been a major boost to the community, and not only in respect to the potential player outthere.
Take it from a Dutchman- to ask for small extra fees for community services will cost you deerly in the end. Commercially spoken it would have been so much wiser to slightly raise membership fees to provide for an extra community platform(although even this would be a bad idea at this crucial stage imo).
I wish Eve all the best- it is a promising concept. I sincerely hope all the pending (game)ideas will be realized one by one. I sincerely hope the community will grow into what you hope it to be.
But as said: for the latter this TV setup is a missed opportunity.
Ifness
Did someone say all their equipment cost 11 million dollars?
GFTO. I can see a million dollars max in a small time production such as this.
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Posted - 2007.07.08 03:46:00 -
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I signed up it gave me 200 credits, then I watched for about 5 minutes and it told me I was out of credits.
Then it took me to a screen where I could buy 500 credits for 5$ US.
So that means in order to watch a single 40 minute show, I'd have to spend about $15.
That's kinda steep.
It also doesn't allude to the fact that you have to pay for it until you actually try to watch it.
I was interested in the content, but not enough to pay for it.
I'll pay for the game, that's enough for me.
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Posted - 2007.07.08 15:17:00 -
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i think it is a great idea for those who want to live eve even at downtimes and this will probably bring in more players!
good job CCP
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Posted - 2007.07.08 15:38:00 -
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I watched both episodes last night (after my posting here) if only to make a fair (be it personal) judgement.
... err... what can I say. It is a friendly incrowd show, and I enjoyed watching it. Reminds me of my local (volunteer run) TV station (with a neglectible budget). I will not purchase more credits so I'm afraid I will miss out on the episodes to come.
Make it a free platform asap CCP. Or find other partners in these ventures. Because someone is having a laugh at the expense of the Eve community (quite literally may I add). I find it hard to take CCP management seriously at this moment. Sorry.
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Gallente
Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.08 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jaikar Isillia
Did someone say all their equipment cost 11 million dollars?
GFTO. I can see a million dollars max in a small time production such as this.
Not at all, they are renting time in a studio that cost 11 million pounds. They haven't bought any equipment.
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Kylania
Gallente
Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.08 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ifness Investigations
Make it a free platform asap CCP. Or find other partners in these ventures. Because someone is having a laugh at the expense of the Eve community (quite literally may I add). I find it hard to take CCP management seriously at this moment. Sorry.
It's actually quite expensive to run something like that, even with volunteers and low budget sets. Bandwidth alone is probably thousands of dollars. While your local access TV station can get it's signal out to everyone using existing cable lines and a single time transmission, streaming internet video, even a downloadable version, is not at all the same type of media delivery.
Do keep in mind that EVE TV isn't being made by CCP anymore, it's being produced by MMM, the guys that do the lovely E-ON magazine.
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Newbie Skills Roadmap | How to Build from a BPO |
Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Endica Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.07.08 17:04:00 -
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A short story about what happened to me yesterday:
A good friend of mine payed me a visit and we sat there, talking, watching some vids on the net and stuff.
He had played EVE for some months but stopped because he lacked the time necessary.
Well, anyway he knows and pretty much likes the game, but at the same he's got kind of an outside point of view. So I thought why not show him EVE TV.
His reaction:"It costs money? WTF? It's basically advertisement. That's like paying for movie trailers.."
I thought I'd share that impression with the devs.
Sure, all people react differently, but this is one of the possible and I might add not so unlikely reactions.
EVE TV is probably a nice feature and service for people who already enthusiastically play EVE.
But IMHO it fails at being a sales promotion.
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Posted - 2007.07.08 18:43:00 -
[314]
they have to have some quick returns for it, you dont expect 11 million dollars to pay off in advertising within a month do you?
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Algorithm 5
Caldari
Hakata Group
Blade.
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Posted - 2007.07.08 20:05:00 -
[315]
Some feedback.
Watched the show on free credits. The content didn't suck, not bad. But the connection dropped a little, this was just after the release of episode 2.
Start watching episode 2 on a few leftover credits... dropped, dropped, dropped, dropped... all the time the stream is broken the credits keep ticking down and down.
Summary:
Thanks but no thanks.
I'd been ready to pay for EVE TV until it appeared that streams get choked up on release with too much demand, and I'd have to keep paying for it even while it's broken, and can only watch it between once and not at all.
Multiple stream restarts, multiple browser restarts, multiple browers, 2 operating systems, all choked up, all while ticking down the credits.
Sorry guys, it appears Jalipo hasn't improved much since the Caldari Tournement debacle, except it broke 15 seconds into the introduction animation instead of at 0%...
As an aside, if it's the bandwidth that's the killer, have you considered bit torrenting it? I see there's a pirate torret of episode 1 out there already...
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Posted - 2007.07.08 20:28:00 -
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You know, I tuned in and watched and thought "Hmm, this is pretty neat." Then this little message popped up that I was running low on credits and I thought "Hmm, no way Im paying to buy 'credits.'"
Really, Id rather just have a boatload of ads rather than have to pay for it, I mean come on, YouTube is free, Stage 6 is free, and so are innumerable other random sites.
Anyone who hasnt seen the divx site go look at it by the way, amazing quality for streaming content. Using the divx codec, why dont you guys just use that and blast me with intel ads, instead of asking me to shell out to watch.
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Natalia Fachiri
Minmatar
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.07.08 20:46:00 -
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You know, I was willing to try this out...untill I saw on the page where you buy the credits that I need a credit card.
What about people without a credit card? Many many people dont have one where I am from (Germany). I wont be getting a credit card to watch EvE TV, thats too much hassle.
Provide an alternative that doesnt require a credit card and I will give EvE TV a try. If you can do it for acconut payments youshould be able to do it for other things too, right?
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Vort X
EON Order
Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.07.08 20:51:00 -
[318]
The staff in EvE TV are trying their best to make a great show and by doing so, advertising EvE, respect for that.
Advice:
CCP should pay them, not us. Put a linky on the main page, maybe an integrated DivX player and watch your subscribers boost. It would make the difference. Ask a professional marketing team to do the research for you, if it doesn't make sense.
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.07.08 20:51:00 -
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I tried it and I liked it but after running out of credits I decided not to buy more. Should it be free I would watch it.
Oh, and streaming sucks. I have a 5s pause after each 30s of video. Downloads FTW!
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.07.08 23:05:00 -
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Edited by: Terminus adacai on 08/07/2007 23:10:56
Paying for a streaming video? No thanks. Love the game and would have been interested in the content presented. Hell, it may have encouraged Trials to go paying, or lured others to play.... The fact you are charging for it sucks.
Wanted to add that I already pay for 3 accounts. This was a move in the wrong direction, just like Charging for EON and in game voice. Maybe CCP should hire a marketing director?
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Matthew Cooper
Minmatar
Who What When Where Why and How
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Posted - 2007.07.08 23:47:00 -
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Edited by: Matthew Cooper on 08/07/2007 23:47:02
Originally by: Terminus adacai
This was a move in the wrong direction, just like Charging for EON and in game voice.
Paying for a magazine? That's totally unprecedented!
Really though, it's a high quality publication.
Can't say the same about EVE-TV though, since I still refuse to watch it until there's an option other than streaming.
Originally by: Tarminic
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Kairi Loveless
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Posted - 2007.07.27 04:42:00 -
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Wow. This sucked. I'm glad I didn't have to pay to see what it was like. Apparently pausing the video counts as viewing it, in which your credits are getting eaten up, so... instead of getting to watch the whole episode, I got like only 5 min when I was interrupted by a phone call. So... exercise caution with the pause button... :p
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Dau Katari
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Posted - 2007.08.27 00:43:00 -
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It's a shame how much talent going into EVE TV is being wasted. The minute or so of footage was worth paying a *reasonable* amount to watch, but they shouldn't keep the meter running while the video buffers. I've never wanted an internet start-up to crash and burn until I discovered Jalipo, as I believe the business model they practice and promote borders on fraud. Besides: what could possibly be more distracting from the video itself than being reminded to "top up" for the video you thought you had already paid for before your connection faltered?
I hope you consider broadcasting via Stage 6, and covering costs with (preferably relevant) ads. I can't believe I'm saying this, but advertisements really aren't that much of a hassle.
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Sikozu Prioris
Cirrius Technologies
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.08.27 01:22:00 -
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If we paid a one time fee to watch an episode, then I would watch. Doesnt have to be a download, can still be streamed but I dont want to pay to have to watch a bit again. Once you pay for that episode at the quality you want you should be able to watch it as many times as you want. Doesnt make that much difference to profits since how many ppl are actually gunna pay to see the same thing twice?
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Tobias Lee
DMC Inc.
Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.10 20:15:00 -
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cant you do a deal with ccp and just charge isk instead and get it converted to real money much like selling game cards i'm sure this would generate alot more interest from us skint or unwilling to pay even more money to watch what is gonna b a really expensive programme?
i would pay isk to watch some but not real money. as for 12 million on a studio my old college i used to work at didnt cost more than 1 million pounds to build and that was for the entire building. you wont need a studio that big for that.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.10.10 20:19:00 -
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EVE TV IS NOW FREE
The mods need to go ahead and lock this, as it's no longer accurate.
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ForceM
Gallente
POS Builder Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.10 20:19:00 -
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for the love of the jovians ... stop necroing dude.
btw .. its free already
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Vasili vonHolst
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Posted - 2007.10.10 21:03:00 -
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LuL, this is about as usefull as eve playing cards.
Anyone wanna come over and play eve with cards?
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Nicho Void
Gallente
Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2007.10.10 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Koba Kyogen
Originally by: Xicon
Why is there a cost for EVE TV?
there shouldn't be a cost for EVE TV, the blondie isn't even remotely hot - and the coverage is weak.
she could audition for planet of the apes
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Necro or not, you are soulless. If you want ****, watch it, you sad, pathetic boy.
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