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Paradox Eve	Posted - 2007.06.20 05:41:00 - [1] Faction ammo is far, far too easy to obtain now IMO. It is easy to attain and quite cheap from agents now, and the benefits it provides are absolutely huge. It gives a 15% to 25% boost to damage over regular, t1 ammo. No skill or implant even compares to such a huge boost. Unless something changes, I predict that no one other than complete noobs will be using normal ammo by the end of the month. t2 ammo also becomes much less worthwhile, in many variants. The cost or the LP requirements should be higher, I think. Anyone else feel the same? Was it really intended to give a near universal 20ish% boost to all ship damage (other than drone ships)? Who would be silly enough to continue using t1 ammo?
Jeff Anderson Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.06.20 05:46:00 - [2] did you get shot at? Sig: Miners supply the ore that the Industrialists use to build the ships you PVP/E with so please think of them as your ship blows up from the enhanced PVP/E in EVE. We know CCP hasn't.
Paradox Eve	Posted - 2007.06.20 05:49:00 - [3] Nope. I just dont think faction ammo should be so readily available, given such a big benefit. shrug
Jita Alt	Posted - 2007.06.20 06:01:00 - [4] If it's that easy everyone can get it which makes it balanced
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.06.20 06:05:00 - [5] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 20/06/2007 06:09:05 I had a look at my agent... 3000 lp and 3 mill isk for 5000 caldari navy assault missiles is a bit low. And only 5500 lp and 5,5 mill for for the torps. We are probably going to see tons of caldari navy stuff on ships. I for one dont think its so bad. I like it. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
eve warrior Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.06.20 06:06:00 - [6] Originally by: Jita Alt If it's that easy everyone can get it which makes it balanced Exactly. Why dont you go and buy some Faction ammo and use it too? I think its a little to early to be shouting Nurf this, Nurf that... pft eve warrior
Paradox Eve	Posted - 2007.06.20 06:09:00 - [7] And for the drone ships? And the main balance issue is with tank vs gank, not damage of ship A vs ship B.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.06.20 06:11:00 - [8] I frigging HATE that I have to go to work today. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.20 06:12:00 - [9] Well, as an Amarr, you should be happy that the navy ammo is a bit "easier" to obtain. Using those crystals burns 'em up faster then x-mas lights on a dodge challenger So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Captain Batou Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.20 06:40:00 - [10] AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!! This is SOOOOO funny to me. I'm a noob (in case you couldn't tell) and I love watching all you older players scramble about. I have lost 15 cruisers in 21 days to guys with HUGE advantages (and will, in all likelihood, continue to do so). I love that the playing field has been leveled A LITTLE. I'll probably still get blown out of the sky on a regular basis for the next year but the fact that you'll be attacking me with a little more reservation makes me smile. Thank you CCP for frustrating all the people who have been frustrating me. I hope your Tech2-Super Beefy-Uber Titan-Star Killer goes down wheezing like the last dying fart of an old, dirty bum. May your impending death come with the cheers of a thousand angry noobs.
Tsanse Kinske WeMeanYouKnowHarm	Posted - 2007.06.20 06:48:00 - [11] Originally by: Captain Batou AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!! This is SOOOOO funny to me. I'm a noob (in case you couldn't tell) and I love watching all you older players scramble about. I have lost 15 cruisers in 21 days to guys with HUGE advantages (and will, in all likelihood, continue to do so). I love that the playing field has been leveled A LITTLE. I'll probably still get blown out of the sky on a regular basis for the next year but the fact that you'll be attacking me with a little more reservation makes me smile. Thank you CCP for frustrating all the people who have been frustrating me. I hope your Tech2-Super Beefy-Uber Titan-Star Killer goes down wheezing like the last dying fart of an old, dirty bum. May your impending death come with the cheers of a thousand angry noobs. That's the spirit. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2007.06.20 06:51:00 - [12] Well all the crybabies whining about their ships being too hard to fit because they absolutely have to use a full rack of T2 weapons on every single ship can now replace one of their guns with T1+faction ammo for only an acceptable very small loss of damage rather than the unacceptable small loss of damage like before... Thank you SkyFlyer! There is no 'n' in tur
KISOGOKU	Posted - 2007.06.20 06:58:00 - [13] thanks for numbers jim, 3000Lp +3m isk for 5000 assault missiles =6m for 5k missiles = 1.200 isk per unit, and torpedos =2.200 isk per unit looks expensive to me, actually more expensive than t2 for per unit.
Amantus Gallente Murientor Tribe Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.20 07:00:00 - [14] Originally by: Captain Batou AHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!! This is SOOOOO funny to me. I'm a noob (in case you couldn't tell) and I love watching all you older players scramble about. I have lost 15 cruisers in 21 days to guys with HUGE advantages (and will, in all likelihood, continue to do so). I love that the playing field has been leveled A LITTLE. I'll probably still get blown out of the sky on a regular basis for the next year but the fact that you'll be attacking me with a little more reservation makes me smile. Thank you CCP for frustrating all the people who have been frustrating me. I hope your Tech2-Super Beefy-Uber Titan-Star Killer goes down wheezing like the last dying fart of an old, dirty bum. May your impending death come with the cheers of a thousand angry noobs. Fantastic attitude. Welcome to EVE ------------
tarin adur Gallente Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.06.20 07:10:00 - [15] Wow,patch has been out for 4 hours and already there's nerf this threads...shame
Captain Batou Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.20 07:27:00 - [16] Originally by: tarin adur Wow,patch has been out for 4 hours and already there's nerf this threads...shame I know, right? I think a lot of the players have forgotten that this game's main premise is the adaptation of man to hostile and foreign environments. If it was all the same, all the time, it would get boring. Even if you had a Titan and 50 trillion isk. Especially so.... Roll with the punches, adapt to a new environment, have fun, for God's sake. It's a *GAME*. It's meant to challenge you, to stimulate your mind, to evoke emotions. If you wanna whine about how it's not fair that your 4 year old character lost money and now has to compete with new ones with better weapons, then quit. It's not much different in the real world, right? Setbacks, obstacles, and challenges....It's what makes it fun and interesting to be human. So let this game be fun and intersting. Quit trying to strangle the the challenge out of it.
Zaqar	Posted - 2007.06.20 07:40:00 - [17] Originally by: Jim McGregor I frigging HATE that I have to go to work today. This
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.20 07:43:00 - [18] Originally by: tarin adur Wow,patch has been out for 4 hours and already there's nerf this threads...shame "guns are fine. nerf players!" --- truth about EVE: Originally by: Cpt Branko "Guns are fine, boost players"
Izo Azlion Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.20 07:50:00 - [19] Originally by: Paradox Eve Faction ammo is far, far too easy to obtain now IMO. It is easy to attain and quite cheap from agents now, and the benefits it provides are absolutely huge. It gives a 15% to 25% boost to damage over regular, t1 ammo. No skill or implant even compares to such a huge boost. Unless something changes, I predict that no one other than complete noobs will be using normal ammo by the end of the month. t2 ammo also becomes much less worthwhile, in many variants. The cost or the LP requirements should be higher, I think. Anyone else feel the same? Was it really intended to give a near universal 20ish% boost to all ship damage (other than drone ships)? Who would be silly enough to continue using t1 ammo? SHHHHHH Give us time to aquire some eh? Your whining at what everyone needs. Bullets. Izo Azlion. --- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Hango ([email protected]) Thanks to Stubnitz for the Sig.
Fenren	Posted - 2007.06.20 07:54:00 - [20] Originally by: Captain Batou Originally by: tarin adur Wow,patch has been out for 4 hours and already there's nerf this threads...shame I know, right? I think a lot of the players have forgotten that this game's main premise is the adaptation of man to hostile and foreign environments. If it was all the same, all the time, it would get boring. Even if you had a Titan and 50 trillion isk. Especially so.... Roll with the punches, adapt to a new environment, have fun, for God's sake. It's a *GAME. It's meant to challenge you, to stimulate your mind, to evoke emotions. If you wanna whine about how it's not fair that your 4 year old character lost money and now has to compete with new ones with better weapons, then quit. It's not much different in the real world, right? Setbacks, obstacles, and challenges....It's what makes it fun and interesting to be human. So let this game be fun and intersting. Quit trying to strangle the the challenge out of it. God, I love your attitude! Originally by:* CCP Greyscale Deadlines are when TomB says "get this done by such-and-such a date or I'll set you on fire".
Nian Banks Minmatar Berserkers of Aesir	Posted - 2007.06.20 07:55:00 - [21] Originally by: Paradox Eve Faction ammo is far, far too easy to obtain now IMO. It is easy to attain and quite cheap from agents now, and the benefits it provides are absolutely huge. It gives a 15% to 25% boost to damage over regular, t1 ammo. No skill or implant even compares to such a huge boost. Unless something changes, I predict that no one other than complete noobs will be using normal ammo by the end of the month. t2 ammo also becomes much less worthwhile, in many variants. The cost or the LP requirements should be higher, I think. Anyone else feel the same? Was it really intended to give a near universal 20ish% boost to all ship damage (other than drone ships)? Who would be silly enough to continue using t1 ammo? I have to thank you Good Sir for bringing to my attention the availability of faction ammunition in the newly added lp store. I have now promptly spend my spare 16000 lp and a bit of isk to buy myself a good chunk of ammunition and will gladly use them till my hearts content, in fact the price is so low. Maybe people will use it in missions. Now thats a thought...
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.20 08:16:00 - [22] Originally by: Paradox Eve Anyone else feel the same? Banana looks at her faction ammo equipped ships and says, no I like it the way it is. I have already got the faction ships and the good faction stuff. So I like it that I have something that I can spend my LPs on that I just don't sell on to inflate my already overinflated wallet. Keep it this way.
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.20 08:22:00 - [23] Originally by: Leandro Salazar Well all the crybabies whining about their ships being too hard to fit because they absolutely have to use a full rack of T2 weapons on every single ship can now replace one of their guns with T1+faction ammo for only an acceptable very small loss of damage rather than the unacceptable small loss of damage like before... Uh, no. Now the minimum requirement has been stepped up to full T2 rack of guns and all faction ammo, all the time. Which is why I have 90K rounds of Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L. BUYING ZAINOU 'DEADEYE' ZGL1000 IMPLANTS, PAYING TOP DOLLAR, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
murder one Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.20 08:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Paradox Eve Faction ammo is far, far too easy to obtain now IMO. It is easy to attain and quite cheap from agents now, and the benefits it provides are absolutely huge. It gives a 15% to 25% boost to damage over regular, t1 ammo. No skill or implant even compares to such a huge boost. Unless something changes, I predict that no one other than complete noobs will be using normal ammo by the end of the month. t2 ammo also becomes much less worthwhile, in many variants. The cost or the LP requirements should be higher, I think. Anyone else feel the same? Was it really intended to give a near universal 20ish% boost to all ship damage (other than drone ships)? Who would be silly enough to continue using t1 ammo? I made a post about this about two months ago in the game development forum. Go look it up. You're a little late to the party. BUYING ZAINOU 'DEADEYE' ZGL1000 IMPLANTS, PAYING TOP DOLLAR, CONVO/MAIL IN-GAME
Ulii	Posted - 2007.06.20 08:32:00 - [25] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Paradox Eve Faction ammo is far, far too easy to obtain now IMO. It is easy to attain and quite cheap from agents now, and the benefits it provides are absolutely huge. It gives a 15% to 25% boost to damage over regular, t1 ammo. No skill or implant even compares to such a huge boost. Unless something changes, I predict that no one other than complete noobs will be using normal ammo by the end of the month. t2 ammo also becomes much less worthwhile, in many variants. The cost or the LP requirements should be higher, I think. Anyone else feel the same? Was it really intended to give a near universal 20ish% boost to all ship damage (other than drone ships)? Who would be silly enough to continue using t1 ammo? I made a post about this about two months ago in the game development forum. Go look it up. You're a little late to the party. you might want to change the text under your sig... dollars and eve stuff dont match... think devs will get angry
Actanna Levh Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.06.20 08:33:00 - [26] Huzzah ! I love faction ammo but can hardly ever find it. What I do find is usually poorly matched to what I need it for. Such as carbonised leadà and shooting most things. The only apparent problem is that I thought my agent wh**ing days were behind me. Perhaps no longer
Luke Pubcrawler	Posted - 2007.06.20 08:55:00 - [27] Originally by: murder one Uh, no. Now the minimum requirement has been stepped up to full T2 rack of guns and all faction ammo, all the time. Which is why I have 90K rounds of Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L. Why ? A full rack of best named and faction ammo gives very close to the same DPS as the T2 and faction you give as a minimum - skill spec differences only I think. In return for this you get cpu and pg to spend on other things - like tanking. In addition newer players get to be moderately competitive earlier.
Alrich	Posted - 2007.06.20 08:56:00 - [28] skill only is 10%... that IS quite a lot... but i like the change
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.20 09:11:00 - [29] Maybe interesting to check what range/damage a Rokh can do with T1 guns, Caldari BS 5 and the best faction ammo. Could be pretty decent if it could be fitted without RCUs in the lows. ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
Cyclops43	Posted - 2007.06.20 09:12:00 - [30] Originally by: Pink Teletubby Well, its a pitty for those that used to produce t1 ammo... well such is life To get 5000 faction ammo, you need to pay ISK + LP + 5000 T1 ammo. No need to cry for T1 producers

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