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Nish'a
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:54:00 -
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I left the game over 1 year ago and came back to see all that new stuff which I overall seem to like.
However: warp to zero  
who in their right mind introduced that?
I could bet that Oveur swore that this would never happen?
Why has he changed his mind?
Im lost, for me this is a gamebreaker.
God I cant belive that ... 
Sorry I normally dont whine, but this "warp to zeor issue" really bothers me ...
what is the communities take on this? is it overall appreciated ? and again who changed so drastically oveurs mind?
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petergriffen
Amarr
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:55:00 -
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Actually it was a pretty sweet change. All of those BM's O_o
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:57:00 -
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... it's like many millions of bookmarks screamed all together in terror and then suddendly vanished 
Besides, it's not "warp to zero", it's more of a "warp to somewhere randomly between where you wanted and 3km away".
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Loki Life
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:58:00 -
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How could you not like warp to zero. It cuts down on hours of travel time for those BS's. Put on alot of I-stabs and nanofibers and be across the galaxy in no time. The one thing I don't like about warp to zero is there isn't a warp-to-zero autopilot.
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Elmicker
The Phoenix Rising
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:58:00 -
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Its given roaming gangs the ability to dodge bubbles just about anywhere (short of large/dictor), and given roaming gangs the ability to cross huge swathes of space without being restricted by their ships' speeds or their sets of bookmarks. The only place its killed is lowsec, which no one used anyway.
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Talkie Toaster
Amarr
Incoherent Inc
Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:58:00 -
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it was brought in in an attempt to reduce server load. since most people would make a ****load of bookkmarks it just caused lots of extra computing that is now not needed.
all it now means that if you are ganking you have to do it when they are aligning to warp instead of running from warp in to the gate. oh, and there is less strain on the pooters.
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Larg Kellein
Caldari
GTE Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:58:00 -
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Your stuff... can it warp to my hangar?
 Originally by: Roy Batty68
My software has wronged me!!! And it's immediately "sorry". Well, ok then. I suppose I'm not so upset at my software if it appologizes.
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Galactic Overlord
CAOD Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:58:00 -
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Jonny29
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:59:00 -
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Personally I don't like it, but it is necessary to get rid of all the lag-creating bookmarks. If it were up to me I would have made it impossible to make a BM within ~50km of stations and gates. Now, you can go across the whole universe without ever traveling at sub-warp speeds. That was a pretty hard hit for piracy, that's what made me stop.
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Red Gabba
JuBa Corp
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nish'a
I left the game over 1 year ago and came back to see all that new stuff which I overall seem to like.
However: warp to zero
who in their right mind introduced that?
I could bet that Oveur swore that this would never happen?
Why has he changed his mind?
Im lost, for me this is a gamebreaker.
God I cant belive that ...
Sorry I normally dont whine, but this "warp to zeor issue" really bothers me ...
what is the communities take on this? is it overall appreciated ? and again who changed so drastically oveurs mind?
It was eather warp to 0 or remove bookmarks from the game, i dont like warp to 0 however i can understand why it was introduced
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Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.06.20 23:59:00 -
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i cant really complain bowt it. Less kills on the imbound side of the gate, hasnt affected the outbound. N given how many gate bms it got rid of, it was a good move imo. Give it a try, youll probably find its changed less then it sounds like it has.
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Nish'a
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:00:00 -
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the issue was bookmarks ???
bms being removed is fine... but what exactly has that to do with warp to zero, for EVERY system, station gate .... this is ******** imo
so why did they introduce warp to zero if oveur was so against it, or do I remember something wrong here?
Nish'a
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petergriffen
Amarr
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:01:00 -
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Originally by: Larg Kellein
Your stuff... can it warp to my hangar?
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Bein Glorious
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:01:00 -
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instas sucked and you better believe it |
Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nish'a
the issue was bookmarks ???
bms being removed is fine... but what exactly has that to do with warp to zero, for EVERY system, station gate .... this is ******** imo
so why did they introduce warp to zero if oveur was so against it, or do I remember something wrong here?
Nish'a
Everyone already *had* warp-to-zero.
It was called 30,000 instaBMs 
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Nish'a
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:03:00 -
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Originally by: Larg Kellein
Your stuff... can it warp to my hangar?
sure I escrowed it in jita for 480 000 isk
it includes 1 trit and a basic damage control
uh just realised we have contracts now .... 
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petergriffen
Amarr
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:04:00 -
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Edited by: petergriffen on 21/06/2007 00:03:39
Originally by: Nish'a
the issue was bookmarks ???
bms being removed is fine... but what exactly has that to do with warp to zero, for EVERY system, station gate .... this is ******** imo
so why did they introduce warp to zero if oveur was so against it, or do I remember something wrong here?
Nish'a
Bookmarks weren't removed, they're too useful to take out of the game completely. I can only imagine the backlash if they were taken out...
But if I had to guess, I'd say 99% of bookmarks were approximately 15km from any given jump gate. After playing this game for 3 years I had literally thousands of gate-to-gate bookmarks. I was glad to get rid of them.
The sheer number of bookmarks being created and copied were putting a heavy strain on the server. Warp to 0km was a great addition. I could swear I heard a huge sigh of relief across the cluster the day it was implemented.
It was the only real solution, tbh...
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Mari Onette
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:04:00 -
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meh. the only change since warp to zero is that gate camps are now on the other side of the gate.
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Nish'a
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:04:00 -
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well instas were never intended that way were they???
anyway we could just have removed instas, and made warp in random
or make it module based but plain simple warp to zero really stinks in my book
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Haffrage
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nish'a
well instas were never intended that way were they???
anyway we could just have removed instas, and made warp in random
or make it module based but plain simple warp to zero really stinks in my book
So instas are okay with you, but the exact same thing in a less lag-inducing form isn't? Explain plz.
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Nish'a
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:07:00 -
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so has oveur been fired? or why did he change his mind???
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TheDevilsJury
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Nish'a
the issue was bookmarks ???
bms being removed is fine... but what exactly has that to do with warp to zero, for EVERY system, station gate .... this is ******** imo
so why did they introduce warp to zero if oveur was so against it, or do I remember something wrong here?
Nish'a
The thing is I had an insta bookmark for between EVERY system, station, gate .... and everyone else wanted one too so I would copy all 40000 of them and end up lagging out an entire region. Bookmark copying was nerfed just before warp to zero was introduced (you could only copy 5 at a time) and since everyone tried to get the copies done before the patch the lag was so bad it basically shut down the major areas of empire.
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Nish'a
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Haffrage
Originally by: Nish'a
well instas were never intended that way were they???
anyway we could just have removed instas, and made warp in random
or make it module based but plain simple warp to zero really stinks in my book
So instas are okay with you, but the exact same thing in a less lag-inducing form isn't? Explain plz.
I should have said bm's were never intended to be instas right?!
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Nish'a
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:09:00 -
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well it's not only warp to zero to gates but stations as well AND from any direction ....
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petergriffen
Amarr
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Nish'a
Originally by: Haffrage
Originally by: Nish'a
well instas were never intended that way were they???
anyway we could just have removed instas, and made warp in random
or make it module based but plain simple warp to zero really stinks in my book
So instas are okay with you, but the exact same thing in a less lag-inducing form isn't? Explain plz.
I should have said bm's were never intended to be instas right?!
And jetcans were never intended to be mined into.
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Nish'a
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: petergriffen
Originally by: Nish'a
Originally by: Haffrage
Originally by: Nish'a
well instas were never intended that way were they???
anyway we could just have removed instas, and made warp in random
or make it module based but plain simple warp to zero really stinks in my book
So instas are okay with you, but the exact same thing in a less lag-inducing form isn't? Explain plz.
I should have said bm's were never intended to be instas right?!
And jetcans were never intended to be mined into.
so change it? not like we dont change everything else ...
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Nish'a
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:12:00 -
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Am I the only person who doesnt like this change?
So far it seems like everyone is against my opinion.
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E Vile
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: E Vile on 21/06/2007 00:15:53
"lag-creating bookmarks"
Prob the biggest reason by far. Not to mention most people used those bookmarks and warped to 0 already.
I believe the devs had a descision to make, get rid of bookmarks entirely, or warp to zero considering that bookmark problem was from all the people using bookmarks to ALREADY warp to 0.
I think they chose wisely on this one.
As another said. If your just mad about your ability to camp gate, do it now on the other side and catch them as they try to warp away. Takes more skill, not as brainless as watching poor suckers fly up to your target range.
"The key to immortality is to first live a life worth remembering."
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Nish'a
Am I the only person who doesnt like this change?
So far it seems like everyone is against my opinion.
You're 18 months late.
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Nish'a
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.21 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: E Vile
"lag-creating bookmarks"
Prob the biggest reason by far. Not to mention most people used those bookmarks and warped to 0 already.
actually I dont belive that, but meh ...
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