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Zeko Rena
Caldari Tangent Technologies
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Posted - 2007.06.21 05:59:00 -
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Well lol... --------------------------
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MehTheTrader
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.06.21 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon wait... WHAT???
We have the loest dps in the game!!!
plus we relod after 10 shots!
nerf this nerf that
cut the lowest dps race in the game by 30%... bah
take into account reload time you nut job yes I have done the math on this me and my friend wanted to see what had more dps, and hybirds came out WAY on top damn him
yes we do more alpha dmg if you dont' know what that is no more whining for you
shakes head
No duh blasters have more dps, I geuss because they are short range. But they are slow, but minimatar is fast and has GREAT dps comapred to caldari and minimatar. You are quite the noob to be flying minimatar and not know the importance to exp ammo.
Minimatar needs to lose its dps, Gallente needs to lose some speed, Ammar and caldari need some major boosting to put them no par.
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Reven Darklight
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.21 06:23:00 -
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Its funny when people come to the forum thinking that everybody will agree with them and that CCP will fall over themselves to follow though on what people want.
I think there are very few ships in the game that can be on their own, with no pilot and no modules overpowered, because the pilot skills and the modules on a ship will make all the difference.
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Dario Wall
Caldari Setenta Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.21 06:30:00 -
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Actually, they probably will get nerfed. Why? Well, because I've been training for them. Everything I train for ends up getting nerfed when I can finally use it, or just before...
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Riho
Gallente Magnificent Beavers Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.06.21 07:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gallente McNuggets Nuff said.
No other HAC (or other ship) comes even close to the Vagabond in over-poweredness. It has speed, DPS and tank.
Just look at 99% of the alliances killboards and see how many peeps are flying it to see that every noob and his iWin button are flying one.
This is a side-effect of the Nano nerf. Now peeps all fly the only remaining nano ships - Vaga and to a lesser extent, Nanophoon.
Time to plug the hole. Let the noobs learn how to fly ships that actually, you know, involve a bit of risk and brain power.
please go back to your hole....
Vagabond is ok atm. it does what it was meant to do... be a REALLY fast cruiser.. and that it is. and you can go really fast if u spend billions on implants + faction gear. and u cant call it a tank :P if u dont use webs.. yeah it will speed tank... but web it and now it has no tank :P
and for dps... its ok.. not i insta kill stuff.
and beore you say something stupid.... i fly gallente allso and only fly gallente blaster ships. so i know all about do or die.
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.21 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: MehTheTrader minimatar is fast and has GREAT dps comapred to caldari and minimatar.
Wait what?
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Bizz Lizz
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Posted - 2007.06.21 07:18:00 -
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Edited by: Bizz Lizz on 21/06/2007 07:20:50 Vagabond has always been the speed hac. Speed is minmatars racial bonus. Read the discription of the vagabond, there the speed is mentioned.
And since stabs got nerfed there shouldn't be any stabbed vagabonds anymore. So web it, nos it, scramble it up to 24km with a cheap warp-diruptor-2 noadays... Damage output of a vagabond that's fitted for speed isn't that great anyway, because it has to operate in fall-off range and autocannons are damage-wise not like blasters or a swarm of tech-2 drones.
The vagabond is less win now in my eyes, because people don't use stabs and some recons will own the vagabond anytime. The thing with the vagabond is that it's still fun to fly and has a role, while the other damage/tank hacs got somehow replaced by tier-2 battlecruisers, recons and commandships. So most people either fly vagabonds or the other newer stuff.
( Btw the first vagabond fight that I've seen in my life was one attacking our corp mining op in 0.0 almost 2 years ago. My CEO warped to pos, jumped into his Deimos and killed the vaga in a 1-on-1. Ok, different times ;) )
P.S.: I fly huggin, my alt can fly curse, training for a sleipnir is on my list, but vaga is rotting in my hangar currently, because I don't want to spend hundred millions isk for faction mods and/or implants.
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Antigen Po
legion of qui Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 07:24:00 -
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Vaga getting pwned by a hauler gang
Just goes to show nothing in Eve is automatic IWin(tm)
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Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 07:34:00 -
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Originally by: Ryas Nia overload web == dead vaga kinetic missles == dead vaga or vaga that runs away huginn/rapier == dead vaga sensor damps == dead vaga or one that runs away ..... ..... .....
Its not our fault you suck.
Don't forget the trap ravens that pack cruise + 1/2 heavy nos. ---
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Setana Manoro
Gallente Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.21 07:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dario Wall Actually, they probably will get nerfed. Why? Well, because I've been training for them. Everything I train for ends up getting nerfed when I can finally use it, or just before...
STOP TRAINING NOW ! ---
Adopt a goon today, goons need lub and support too. Do you want him out in the cold, starving ? |
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Zanarkand
Gallente Enterprise Estonia Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.21 07:40:00 -
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Vagabond IS OVERPOWERED.
Sure, you can say "omg it cant beat X 1v1"
But HALLO, No other hac can either.
Please, don't compare it versus other BCs/Recons/BSes/EW/Nosf, compare it to other HACs.
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Fable Hike
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.21 07:41:00 -
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lol
lets nerf one of the few good ships minmatards have
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Pesadel0
Ordem dos Templarios Te-Ka
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Posted - 2007.06.21 07:48:00 -
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,joke thread?
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari Lords Of Amber
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Posted - 2007.06.21 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Gallente McNuggets I will use the above abusive responses as proof that I hit the nail on the head.
Or use it as a proof that you don't know what you're talking about?
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Lilian Long
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Posted - 2007.06.21 08:05:00 -
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Edited by: Lilian Long on 21/06/2007 08:05:54
Originally by: Zanarkand Vagabond IS OVERPOWERED.
Sure, you can say "omg it cant beat X 1v1"
But HALLO, No other hac can either.
Please, don't compare it versus other BCs/Recons/BSes/EW/Nosf, compare it to other HACs.
Yes, other hacs got more and more obsolete, don't think that it's a good reason to stop the vagabond being, what it always was, the interceptor hac. The vagabond was always this way, it's just that the other hacs have lost their status in my eyes, because of game changes and new stuff. Sorry, that almost noone wants to fly deimos anymore doesn't mean, that the vagabond needs to be patched that noone wants to fly it either.
Vagabond was always hit&run and able to chase ceptors around. Think people should just accept it. If the deimos isn't one of the most desired hacs anymore like some years ago, then the reason are game changes that made it less viable, but not the vagabond, that is what it always was.
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2007.06.21 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: MehTheTrader But they are slow, but minimatar is fast and has GREAT dps comapred to caldari and minimatar.
Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
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Happster
Polaris Project
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Posted - 2007.06.21 08:34:00 -
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Originally by: MehTheTrader Minimatar needs to lose 30 percent of its damage, because of how much of speed bonus it gets. Then it will be on par with other races.
I couldnt agree more!
I swear, i once saw a Minmatar undock, and ships started going poff around it. My first thought was just like yours. This has to be one overpowered race.
Also, Minmatars being able to run faster then anyone else, tank better. And if thats not enough they even kill faster and better then any other race.
I couldnt agree more! NERF!!! 30% dps nerf seems to me as its too litle. More drastic things needs to be done. Maybe remove all of their drone bays too? On second thought. Lets remove their high slots! Yeah, that will fix the Minmatars!
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Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.21 08:53:00 -
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I've got a bad feeling about this, I finished training for t2 med projectiles the day of revelations when all ships got a HP increase, I finished training for t2 EANM's 2 days ago just when they got nerfed for higher CPU use, 24 days i can fly a vaga :/
If its nerfed by the time i can fly it i'm gonna cry lol
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Angor
The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 09:17:00 -
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I'm thinking you just got wtfpawned by a vaga and you want to vent your frustration out on the forums.
Lets get this straight, minmitar generally have been screwed from day one... so for once we have a major ugly ship that is semi useful and you want it nerfed... figures. Minmitar ships are generally fast, made of paper with bits of tape and look like they came out of jabba the hutt's rectum... give us a break. _______________________________ Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo |
Ashaz
Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.06.21 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon wait... WHAT???
We have the loest dps in the game!!!
plus we relod after 10 shots!
nerf this nerf that
cut the lowest dps race in the game by 30%... bah
take into account reload time you nut job yes I have done the math on this me and my friend wanted to see what had more dps, and hybirds came out WAY on top damn him
yes we do more alpha dmg if you dont' know what that is no more whining for you
shakes head
QFT.
I experimented with a cane a while back. have you SEEN the bonuses on that thing? Despite the onuses, I got way higher dps with hybrids then I ever could with projectiles.
oh and STOP the damn nerfcrying won't you! You people make me sick! iDrone |
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Ashaz
Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.06.21 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: MehTheTrader Minimatar needs to lose its dps, Gallente needs to lose some speed, Ammar and caldari need some major boosting to put them no par.
"So one day I was speeding around in my domi at a whooping 118 m/s, when suddenly I felt a chill run down my spine."
what have you been smoking? iDrone |
Yossar
Minmatar Dragon's Rage
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Posted - 2007.06.21 09:31:00 -
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The ability to overheat webbers was a Vagabond nerf. They really don't need to be nerfed further.
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Angor
The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 09:38:00 -
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Projectile, well at least Large Projectiles in my oppinion put out more damage than any other race per shot but with only 10 ammo in each gun that seriously messes with the dps. _______________________________ Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo |
LadyShu
Federation of Synthetic Persons YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.06.21 09:42:00 -
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i got killed nerf ship XY oh my god! ... Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected]) |
Drykor
Minmatar Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.21 09:42:00 -
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"omg, a ship other than Gallente is worth something in pvp. NERF!"
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High Sierra
Minmatar The Nest
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Posted - 2007.06.21 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Gallente McNuggets Nuff said.
No other HAC (or other ship) comes even close to the Vagabond in over-poweredness. It has speed, DPS and tank.
Just look at 99% of the alliances killboards and see how many peeps are flying it to see that every noob and his iWin button are flying one.
This is a side-effect of the Nano nerf. Now peeps all fly the only remaining nano ships - Vaga and to a lesser extent, Nanophoon.
Time to plug the hole. Let the noobs learn how to fly ships that actually, you know, involve a bit of risk and brain power.
Or you could just.... you know...... work out a way to counter a vagabond with the skillpoints that you have.
thats the funny thing about EvE, sometimes you are required to THINK about things rather than just push the right sequence of buttons.
if you cant cope with this concept, there really is nothing anyone can do for you. If you cant come up with a way to counter the threat of a vagabond WITHOUT crying about it and demanding that the Devs provide you with a solution then this is not the game for you.
*snip* please keep sigs EVE-related. Contact [email protected] if you have any further questions - Karass Sayfo I don't know Derek. Really I don't.
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Isyel
Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.21 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ashaz
Originally by: MehTheTrader Minimatar needs to lose its dps, Gallente needs to lose some speed, Ammar and caldari need some major boosting to put them no par.
"So one day I was speeding around in my domi at a whooping 118 m/s, when suddenly I felt a chill run down my spine."
what have you been smoking?
This has to be a joke thread. Seriously.
People can't possibly be this ********.
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Chavu
The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 10:10:00 -
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Minmatars only do one thing better than the other races: speed. That's it.
The Vagabond/Stabber is the only ship that gets a speed bonus.
How many Gallente ships get a drone bonus?
How many Caldari ships get a missile bonus?
How many Amarr ships get a laser cap usage bonus?
We get one ship, okay, ONE SHIP. No speed bonuses on other ships and there are what, like 3 TECH 2 ships that get a falloff bonus? Please.
People fly the Vagabond because it is by far the pinnacle of a hit and run raiding ship. Invention reduced the prices so a lot of people can fly them but guess what, vagabonds die all the time.
Heavy NOS > Vaga Heavy Neuts > Vaga Webs > Vaga Jamming > Vaga Jamming drones > Vaga RSD > Vaga
If you want to keep nerfing minmatar's speed then give us an actual role. Going fast, having no tank and doing small amounts of damage is not really overpowering.
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Zanarkand
Gallente Enterprise Estonia Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.21 10:26:00 -
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Don't go around waving the "MINMATAR ONLY HAS 1 GOOD SHIP(VAGABOND)" flag... Minmatar is NOT the worst race at the moment!
Overheating Webs makes them 13km, don't be stupid and say that this change will change vagabond in any possible way...
Vagabond does NOT lack dps, at 15-20km it does a good 250dps without too many problems. At the therotical 0km it's dps is similar to a zealot. Sure, the 5 neutron2 + 3 MFS2 deimos has a far higher dps on charts, but realistically it has faar too many problems to be competive compared to the Vaga.
Vagabond is very capable in 1v1s...
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MajinReturns
Amarr Spliffs Rough Necks
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Posted - 2007.06.21 10:28:00 -
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TO talk about risk, consider the Vega just like a thron in the side. However it can be destroied, I've seen it done several times on a consistant basis. Granted its difficult but a decently skilled piolet can take a Vega down, almost damn near solo if not solo. We seek truth we seek answers, I'm willing to die for what I believe in...are you? |
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