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Zanarkand Gallente Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.21 10:33:00 - [61] Edited by: Zanarkand on 21/06/2007 10:34:34 Originally by: Chavu Minmatars only do one thing better than the other races: speed. That's it. The Vagabond/Stabber is the only ship that gets a speed bonus. How many Gallente ships get a drone bonus? How many Caldari ships get a missile bonus? How many Amarr ships get a laser cap usage bonus? We get one ship, okay, ONE SHIP. No speed bonuses on other ships and there are what, like 3 TECH 2 ships that get a falloff bonus? Please. People fly the Vagabond because it is by far the pinnacle of a hit and run raiding ship. Invention reduced the prices so a lot of people can fly them but guess what, vagabonds die all the time. Heavy NOS > Vaga Heavy Neuts > Vaga Webs > Vaga Jamming > Vaga Jamming drones > Vaga RSD > Vaga If you want to keep nerfing minmatar's speed then give us an actual role. Going fast, having no tank and doing small amounts of damage is not really overpowering. Compare it to a Zealot(the supreme Amarr hac!), or deimos, or... ishtar, Cerberus. The Vagabond is just too strong compared to other hacs. It is nearing the point where HACs are made into two groups: Vagabond and Others. Either nerf Vagabond or buff other hacs... All of those nice things you mentioned have a devastating effect on other hacs as well, except that vagabond can just mwd away and warp off... majority of the Vaga losses are due to a piloting mistake by the vagabond... Good Vagabond pilots rarely lose their ships... that and they fly Curse/Huginn nowdays...
Trind2222 Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.06.21 10:52:00 - [62] How some hints to take down a vaga Tracking disruptor this will hurt the dps Jammers will help alot Heavy nos if he is not carefull pilot A fast ships probely more ways to take a vaga
Steve Holt coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.21 10:55:00 - [63] i was flying around 0.0 i found 4 seperate Vags. None could kill me i couldn't kill them? why, cause i couldn't get in range of a web but they couldnt web me so i just mwded to gate jumped out. A vaga is very useless at gate fighting, also before u say "noobie vaga pilots didnt bump u" if any of them came into my webrange to bump me they would be dead now. so a vaga is only usefullf or killing ratters and fighting someone who wants to fight you.
Milton Keynes	Posted - 2007.06.21 10:56:00 - [64] Edited by: Milton Keynes on 21/06/2007 10:55:32 Originally by: Steve Holt so a vaga is only usefullf or killing ratters and fighting someone who wants to fight you. Remind you of any other ship which was recently nerfed?
Trishan Green Men Incorporated The Threshold	Posted - 2007.06.21 10:58:00 - [65] This discussion is pointless. The vaga, along other speedy minnie ships, has already been nerfed as posted in other threads. Please stop rubbing salt in the wound :P
Milton Keynes	Posted - 2007.06.21 11:03:00 - [66] Edited by: Milton Keynes on 21/06/2007 11:03:10 Originally by: Trind2222 How some hints to take down a vaga Originally by: Trind2222 Tracking disruptor this will hurt the dps It gets a tracking bonus... Originally by: Trind2222 Jammers will help alot They won't help you "take it down" AT ALL Originally by: Trind2222 Heavy nos if he is not carefull pilot Never assume the pilot is stupid. Otherwise you could kill him in an ibis which proves nothing Originally by: Trind2222 A fast ships Like what? Originally by: Trind2222 probely more ways to take a vaga Nope. Huginn or Rapier. Or a stupid Vaga pilot ofc And NO, I don't agree that the Vaga needs nerfing. Why? Vaga is a HAC which are supposed to be super specialised ships which ARE overpowered at ONE thing. For the Vaga this is SPEED. You might aswell also nerf the missiles on a Cerberus or the drones on an Ishtar or the lasers on a Zealot... Nerf <> Balance
Tony Benn	Posted - 2007.06.21 11:08:00 - [67] The Vagabond is a great, great ship. It is not however overpowered, and surely the OP is taking the mickey with this thread. If anything was to change on the vagabond though, I'd say it should be a redistribution of resistances. They're VERY good...
Willo Vasquez Gallente Raptus Regaliter Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.06.21 11:22:00 - [68] I lost my domi pre RmR, while I was mining in lowsec to a pair of roving vaga's. First thought that went through my head was 'Christ, they're fast' swiftly followed by 'how'd they get into my hull so quick?!'. To the op - every ship has it's stengths and weaknesses, and I don't think the Vaga's speed tank counts it as being overpowered. Hit them hard enough, they'll pop, just like any other ship. I make and distribute care, but I'm out of stock at the moment.
Krysta Gemme	Posted - 2007.06.21 11:26:00 - [69] It seems here some folk have a problem with the Vag. The Vag is a mysterious thing. Many lust for the Vag. Some fear the Vag. However what all have in common is that we know the Vag is a powerful thing, and can destroy a man if he doesn't know what to do with it. Approach the Vag carefully, and be careful to be aware of yourself at all times. Do not panic, and pace yourself and soon the Vag will be conquered. However beware, the Vag can be dangerous. You could hurt yourself, or others if you don't take the proper precautions. Make sure to fit yourself right before every mission, and you will have no problem. Increase your skills and you will be taking down Vag's left and right. Good luck, hope I helped. :)
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.21 11:27:00 - [70] ...minnies...complaining about being worst damage dealers...? I mean...come on! So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Souvera Corvus Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.06.21 11:29:00 - [71] I've died more to this damn ship than any other and when it happens it's usually quick. That said, the guys who have flown them have been bloody good pilots (Yucali and Japana to name two), so I prefer to think along the lines that the Vaga is just deadly in the right hands and as vulnerable as the rest of us in any other. You need plenty of webs and a decent tactical approach to take it down and that takes a bit of brain power I guess
Shi Mun Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2007.06.21 11:31:00 - [72] Refering all the way bk to the OP, there isnt anything wrong with the vagabond and its definitely NOT overpowered. It has speed and it can cause dmg, thats EXATCLY what its SUPPOSED to do. --------------------------- HAHA! your jammers suck now! Oh wait whats happening to my scorpion...
Khadur Minmatar Spontaneous Defenestration	Posted - 2007.06.21 11:39:00 - [73] lol
Mangold Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.06.21 11:40:00 - [74] Vaga has speed and a decent DPS and no tank. The strength of a Vaga is it's ability to bail out if things goes wrongs. That's about it and there is the reason you find so many roaming in 0.0 and lowsec. It's easy to run if you run into trouble. They are not that hard to kill if you know what you're doing. A nossed and webbed Vaga dies very fast. I've killed several myself without to much trouble. You just need to know what you're doing.
Silpher Symphony of Destruction Ltd.	Posted - 2007.06.21 11:46:00 - [75] 'The Drake tanks too much!' NERF 'The myrmidon shouldn't shield tank so well!' NERF 'I can't see the AFK cloaker!' (soon to be) NERF! 'War decing so many corps is mean!' NERF Jesus christ, you people need to stop pushing the momentum of that nerf bat. It's getting old. Everything is counterable, and every day I come on these forums, and some new child is kicking and screaming for a nerf, acting like he know's what the hell he's talking about. I love how the gallente pilot is calling for a nerf on a decent 1v1 PvP ship. Newflash, Gallente are overpowered on the wuantity of PvP ships they posess!! What do I get? The Raven? Torps are slow! The Drake? NERFED! The rook? Hardly among the best. The Manticore? Not anymore! So plz, STOP WHINING!!! --- snip Your signature is inappropriate for these forums, email [email protected] with a link to your signature if you have questions -Rauth Kivaro ([email protected])
Pinpisa Jormao	Posted - 2007.06.21 11:46:00 - [76] To add to the list of what can be used to kill vaga, Cerberus should be there. In my experience if you want to hit with Vaga you have to go really slow and there's no way to outrun the heavy missiles if you want to kill something at the same time. The primary reason Vaga is popular is the ability to run away and through camps without proper tackling.
Irob Urore	Posted - 2007.06.21 11:48:00 - [77] You gotta give the solo pvpers a ship and i think this is one of those ships, its a real bugger to catch :)
Dark Flare Caldari Corpus PCG The State	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:33:00 - [78] Originally by: MehTheTrader Originally by: MotherMoon wait... WHAT??? We have the loest dps in the game!!! plus we relod after 10 shots! nerf this nerf that cut the lowest dps race in the game by 30%... bah take into account reload time you nut job yes I have done the math on this me and my friend wanted to see what had more dps, and hybirds came out WAY on top damn him yes we do more alpha dmg if you dont' know what that is no more whining for you shakes head No duh blasters have more dps, I geuss because they are short range. But they are slow, but minimatar is fast and has GREAT dps comapred to caldari and minimatar. You are quite the noob to be flying minimatar and not know the importance to exp ammo. Minimatar needs to lose its dps, Gallente needs to lose some speed, Ammar and caldari need some major boosting to put them no par. lolololololol Blasters are short range.. yes. Autocannons are too, you absolue nutter. EXP ammo on a Vagabond? Well he'll be at 3km then, web and kill. Barrage is the only ammo to be used in a Vagabond. Which puts you out at 15km. Doing hardly any DPS. I like the way you try to be demeaning, and patronising, whilst stating things like "Minmatar has great dps compared to minmatar" and "blasters are close range" (implying that autocannons aren't) and the absolutely brilliant "omg EXP ammo", to which the natural response is "omg.. webifier". But please, continue to make up facts about races you've never flown, it's certainly entertaining me at work. Dark Flare - Corpus PCG
Snake Jankins Minmatar Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:37:00 - [79] Originally by: Krysta Gemme It seems here some folk have a problem with the Vag. The Vag is a mysterious thing. Many lust for the Vag. Some fear the Vag. However what all have in common is that we know the Vag is a powerful thing, and can destroy a man if he doesn't know what to do with it. Approach the Vag carefully, and be careful to be aware of yourself at all times. Do not panic, and pace yourself and soon the Vag will be conquered. However beware, the Vag can be dangerous. You could hurt yourself, or others if you don't take the proper precautions. Make sure to fit yourself right before every mission, and you will have no problem. Increase your skills and you will be taking down Vag's left and right. Good luck, hope I helped. :) ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.06.22 11:44:00 - [80] Win Or Run builds are nothing new. I just wish the runners didn't have to type "dats wat makes me a pvper and u a carebear" in local as they hit the Mwd+Warp = I don't lose button. Is it a prerequisite for boarding a Win Or Run ship?
Moonwarrior School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.06.22 13:00:00 - [81] Oh my, lets just nerf all ships and .... oh wait , lets just nerf EVE, then we can all hold hands and sing lalalala
Dopple Minmatar Black Claw Exploratory	Posted - 2007.06.22 13:47:00 - [82] The Vigil also gets a speed bonus, with a target painter bonus. I mean come on all the Target painters are acronyms for PWNT, PWN or some such. What will happen when someone starts using these 2 in conjunction? Gods save us all. Guerilla warfare won the American Revolution think what it will do to us as Eve players. Next time the bad Vaga pilot's come towards you just shout(caps lock of course) " Hey slow down there buddy, or Budette, speed kills." Alright I have made pointless ramblings now, not along the lines of Minmatar do better DPS than Minmatar though. Meh.
Haxa Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis	Posted - 2007.06.22 13:51:00 - [83] Nerf the Fourms!!!! Put some filter on that if any forum post mentions BoB, Jita, or Nerf, that gets a insta ban
HoKu Ziare Middle Finger Technology Ghosts Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.22 13:57:00 - [84] Originally by: Fable Hike lets nerf one of the few good ships minmatards have Come on what can you say to that?
Ariel Dawn Beets and Gravy Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:59:00 - [85] Originally by: MehTheTrader Minimatar needs to lose 30 percent of its damage, because of how much of speed bonus it gets. Then it will be on par with other races. They just implemented overheating webs did almost exactly that due to having to orbit/keep at range 3km further now. Minmatar has been nerfed, so no more need for whining.
Ybbor Notlimah	Posted - 2007.06.22 17:57:00 - [86] The Vagabond is a great HAC but just because it's the bect HAC doesnt mean it should be nerfed. I think it fits perfectly into the Minnie play style and tactic. Hits hard and is hard to catch, but when you catch him he's gonna die :) NERF JESUS!
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:28:00 - [87] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 22/06/2007 18:27:58 Originally by: Ybbor Notlimah The Vagabond is a great HAC but just because it's the bect HAC doesnt mean it should be nerfed. I think it fits perfectly into the Minnie play style and tactic. Hits hard and is hard to catch, but when you catch him he's gonna die :) NERF JESUS! No. Gallente should win up close and at range, otherwise its simply not balanced. Minnie ships should win when the gallente pilot have less than 500k skillpoints and is flying a shuttle. --- Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
n0thing omen. D-L	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:29:00 - [88] Edited by: n0thing on 22/06/2007 18:30:38 Vagabond is fine as it is. Its just a one big expensive tackler. It has approx 400-420 dps with drone skills + t2 guns + 2x dmg mods. Once its webbed it wont sustain any damage at all from direct fire pointed at it. It cant shoot with its MWD on either. At this point, you can even bite it down with medium drones. Since major part of vagabonds dont have webber, it will be long time before your drones will start popping. A huggin is a nightmare for vagabond so as arazu and their non-cloaking twins. Any ship that can catch up with it even nano-ishtar can pretty much rip it apart with superior DPS. Even Raven with precision cruise will bbq Vagabond without MWD on orbit. As for Matari bonuses, they got also another bonus that is prevalent on major part of ships - RoF bonus. It can be compared to drone/missle/laser bonuses on other races. As for the close-range. Gallente are kings in <12km range. So, if Vagabond ever have a Deimos landing 5km off it and have time to web it....Vagabond will get popped within seconds since its weakest resist being kinetic, thus with Void it will be toast inside 10km like it should be. Only complaint I have about Vagabonds in general, is the completly silly falloff and range. Medium short guns shouldnt have range of medium long range ones. Hence 2x falloff rigs + Barrage = 30km falloff....thats just wrong. 20km fine, so as maybe somewhere 22-24.....but 30?! ---
Ciuci FinFleet	Posted - 2007.06.22 18:52:00 - [89] Edited by: Ciuci on 22/06/2007 18:50:59 if it really needs a nerf, the why the heck does every single one runs away from my Cerberus ?
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:01:00 - [90] Originally by: Gallente McNuggets Nuff said. No other HAC (or other ship) comes even close to the Vagabond in over-poweredness. It has speed, DPS and tank. Just look at 99% of the alliances killboards and see how many peeps are flying it to see that every noob and his iWin button are flying one. This is a side-effect of the Nano nerf. Now peeps all fly the only remaining nano ships - Vaga and to a lesser extent, Nanophoon. Time to plug the hole. Let the noobs learn how to fly ships that actually, you know, involve a bit of risk and brain power. Moved from Eve General Discussion to Ships and Modules -Eldo Did you just get run over by TRI or what? Cool guys, btw :) Vagabond is nice and it costs 150-200 mil in fitting to make it run to 6-7kms/s with no gang and snakes. It is a good ship and does its role perfectly. Don't like it, adapt!

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