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Charly Quickfire
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:13:00 -
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If your first line is: Originally by: Gallente McNuggets
Nuff said.
Why do you have to explain your point of view in more detail? |
Mortuus
Minmatar
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:26:00 -
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Vaga is overpowered? Tell that to my Hurricane. With AC's it tears them apart, with 650's it tears them apart a bit slower... I can only imagine a good Myrm pilot or a well fit Drake...wait, both of those are more than capable of fighting off a Vaga.
AS to a counter, try a Stilleto with a scram, a web, and a tracking disrupter. Then just have your buddies warp to you.
ex-Occassus Republica <3 |
Fredonan
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.06.22 19:42:00 -
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Seriously dude, Vagabonds are only a threat to the unprepared.
Heck... Even Amarr ships can toast a Vagabond, all it requires is a little ingenuity.
Armageddon, 6 Mega Pulses 2 Heavy Energy Neutralizer, 1 Faction Scram, Cap injector, Gank low setup.
Vaga warps in, target, poof no cap, scrambled, and in less than a minute it will be a speck of space dust or he'll be warping away never to bother you again.
Seriously, think before you cry for the Nerf Bat.
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Kaylana Syi
The Nest
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Posted - 2007.06.22 21:12:00 -
[94]
Nerf the Myrmidon tbh.
Team Minmatar
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Lord Zoran
Caldari
House of Tempers
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Posted - 2007.06.22 21:13:00 -
[95]
i can see your point, cant stand ppl who pvp in fast ships so they can run away.....
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Dark Flare
Caldari
Corpus PCG
The State
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Posted - 2007.06.22 23:07:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Nerf the Myrmidon tbh.
This.
Dark Flare - Corpus PCG |
n0thing
omen.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.22 23:32:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Dark Flare
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Nerf the crazy nosfs setups tbh.
This.
fixed it for you.
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.06.22 23:32:00 -
[98]
OP shows his lack of knowledge by saying the vaga has DPS. Fighting at your falloff (which the vaga has to do to not get webbed and die)doesn't tend to give good DPS.
CFW (Certified Forum Warrior)
I kill people ingame too.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
I prefer dew over pepsi. I prefer beer over most things. Damn now I want beer.
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Emerald666
Amarr
Initech Corporation
Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2007.06.23 00:46:00 -
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Vagabond can only EVER reach a maximum of 23,819m/s... Crusader can hit 25,100m/s 
Some adjustment could be used but not much they were INTENDED to be fast. 
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Sodium Phosphate
Gallente
Ganja Labs
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.23 01:54:00 -
[100]
Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
Don't nerf anything. Buff everything so that it is ALL powerful 
Actually I agree. Wouldnt that be balanced then?
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MehTheTrader
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.06.23 03:05:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Papa Ina
Originally by: MehTheTrader
minimatar is fast and has GREAT dps comapred to caldari and ammar.
Wait what?
Fixed it for you. 
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MehTheTrader
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.06.23 03:06:00 -
[102]
Edited by: MehTheTrader on 23/06/2007 03:06:20
If your flying a vagabond, you are not committing to battle, aka stabbed aka PUSSSSSSSY.  I dont mind vagabond and its speed.. but don't give it dps on par of lets say caldari/ammar.. whose hacs suck.
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alexreborn
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Posted - 2007.06.23 04:00:00 -
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Edited by: alexreborn on 23/06/2007 03:59:00
All nano ships are bull****. thats why you should never fight one, just run away.
Oh wait you cant because they are super good tacklers too.
talk about bullocks.
im gettinga vagabond.
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Danari
Amarr
Exanimo Inc
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.23 04:18:00 -
[104]
Okay you bloody einsteins, proof or stfu. Who's actually solo'd a vaga? Rarest kill in eve imo. I did it in August of two thousand and ******* FIVE.
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Mortuus
Minmatar
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.23 05:06:00 -
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I did one earlier this year, about 3 months ago while I was in Priv. It closed on my Hurricane, I had Barrage, a gank setup, and missles. He died really fast...something about a 9.x damage mod on my ACs.
It should be on the Privateer killboard.
ex-Occassus Republica <3 |
PWNERIZE
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Posted - 2007.06.23 06:22:00 -
[106]
Originally by: n0thing
Originally by: Dark Flare
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Buff the other BCs.
This.
fixed it for you.
Fixed it for all of you.
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Coutaux
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Posted - 2007.06.23 06:26:00 -
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I've been on the recieving end of vagabonds many times now. I am not afraid of them...
A typical strategy of small gangs with vagabonds is to sit off at 200km+ baiting tacklers of the rival gang to come out and get them. Invariably some do go out and they die.
The best thing to do is stay near your gang. If a vagabond gets close to your gang, they are hosed. If you don't fly off by yourself, they can't kill you.
An idea I haven't tried yet, but can't wait to: Scythe with tracking links + Rokh (or Tempest). With 3 tracking links, and reasonable tracking on the rokh, you should be able to shoot out 200km with T1 (non tracking nerfed) ammo. Even if the vagabond is traversing at 3600m/s, you should still be able to hit them out there most of the time.
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True Ace
Gallente
Blood Moon Masques
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Posted - 2007.06.23 06:34:00 -
[108]
anyway for a deimos to catch a vaga without using 13km webs +heat.
IM YOUR KING'S KING. |
P'Tang
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Posted - 2007.06.23 06:44:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Krysta Gemme
The Vag is a mysterious thing. Many lust for the Vag.
I know I do.  
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Maeltstome
Minmatar
Caldari Navy Raiders
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.06.24 01:53:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Gallente McNuggets
No other HAC (or other ship) comes even close to the Vagabond in over-poweredness. It has speed, DPS and tank.
It is fast, but speed is its tank. Btw if you think the DPS on a vaga is sick, you havent came across an ishtar have you? Max your drone skills and you can melt a BS in seconds, literally - less than a minute and you can over-run there armour repairers
Originally by: Gallente McNuggets
Just look at 99% of the alliances killboards and see how many peeps are flying it to see that every noob and his iWin button are flying one.
Or maybe its a good solo-ship, and alot of people fly it solo? In a fleet a vaga is a terrible ship - it dies fast and contributes little that a stabber cant do just aswell. Solo is its shining glory, somtimes 2-3 man gangs it does ok, but not much bigger.
Originally by: Gallente McNuggets
This is a side-effect of the Nano nerf. Now peeps all fly the only remaining nano ships - Vaga and to a lesser extent, Nanophoon.
You quite clearly have no idea what your talking about. The machariel (a BS if you didn't notice) can stil hit 8k/s with snakes and a rack of speedy lows. The phoon will be lucky to get half of that.
Originally by: Gallente McNuggets
Time to plug the hole. Let the noobs learn how to fly ships that actually, you know, involve a bit of risk and brain power.
You mean we should all jump in passive drakes and blaster-throns? Last time i check Speed tanking *GUN* boats where the hardest ships to fly. Considering your MWD lights you up perfectly for everything to kill you, but your tracking remains the same (given they don't mwd).
Tell you what, skill for a stabber and some T2 auto's and go and see how long you last. I dare say you'd be surprised at how fast you die if you dont know what your doing.
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liberal thug
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Posted - 2007.06.24 02:37:00 -
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The Vaga sucks until you spend 1b on implants and 4b on the ship.
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hellwarrior
Caldari
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.24 02:42:00 -
[112]
otherway around
3.5 on implants
1 on the ship
9-10k/sec ez
575 dps with hail
450ish with barage
solo
still has many weaknesses.
and soloing one isn't that hard, i had one get away from me this morning, lucky he made the gate, was under 1/4 shield in 5 seconds :/
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Maeltstome
Minmatar
Caldari Navy Raiders
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.06.24 02:44:00 -
[113]
Originally by: hellwarrior
and soloing one isn't that hard, i had one get away from me this morning, lucky he made the gate, was under 1/4 shield in 5 seconds :/
You hit the nail on the ehad, it cant take damage. Its like a webbed curse/pilgrim with no plates.
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ViperVenom
Labteck Corporation LTD.
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Posted - 2007.06.24 03:21:00 -
[114]
Well lets see here where to start. The Vaga was unstoppable b4 the WCS nerf. Now its kinda good and thats about it.
Vaga/Huginn/Curse/Pilgram/Rapier..... Are All ship that can Nano and be hard Hard to stop. None of then ships are unstoppable. they are just hard to stop solo. Also you need around a good 10-15 mil SP to fly and fly a good all around ship. the Huginn takes more SP than any of the 5 ships i named due to the split gun/missle lay out.
And to me seeing a speed tanked Huginn is way way worse than a speed tank vaga.Due to the Huginn webbing you at 30km damping you,and scramming you
if CCP should nerf any thing they should nerf fourm bit@#ing. Learn how to play and try again.
If this alliance fails im going back to ganking.
I think im heading for -10. |
Rudy Metallo
Crimson Squall
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.24 04:21:00 -
[115]
A ship is nothing without its pilot.
Say what? |
Rylet VanDorn
Pastafarians
Novus Ordos Seclorum
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Posted - 2007.06.24 04:30:00 -
[116]
Anything Vagas can't kill, they can run away from. There is 0 risk flying one as long as you're paying attention, and anyone who says they're "risky" to fly is deluded.
The OP is right. Take a look around. All you ever see nowadays are command ships (which, imho, SHOULD be powerful, since they're relatively slow) and Vagas, especially among pirates.
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ViperVenom
Labteck Corporation LTD.
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Posted - 2007.06.24 04:52:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Silpher
'The Drake tanks too much!' NERF
'The myrmidon shouldn't shield tank so well!' NERF
'I can't see the AFK cloaker!' (soon to be) NERF!
'War decing so many corps is mean!' NERF
Jesus christ, you people need to stop pushing the momentum of that nerf bat. It's getting old. Everything is counterable, and every day I come on these forums, and some new child is kicking and screaming for a nerf, acting like he know's what the hell he's talking about. I love how the gallente pilot is calling for a nerf on a decent 1v1 PvP ship. Newflash, Gallente are overpowered on the wuantity of PvP ships they posess!! What do I get? The Raven? Torps are slow! The Drake? NERFED! The rook? Hardly among the best. The Manticore? Not anymore! So plz, STOP WHINING!!!
I agree next time im going to post nerf Nuginns and rapiers. There webs are too strong.
Or Nerf the Curse its NOS kills my cap too fast.
Nerf the rook it shoot too far (0 dps)
Nerf the Domi is a way too powerful tier one BS
Nerf the Gank temp it has too much DPS
Nerf the Blastron cuz its DUH
Nerf the NXY its fighters/Drones hut too much
Nerf EVE i cant play and i need help
Nerf my computer so i can log on and play.
How does that sound?
If this alliance fails im going back to ganking.
I think im heading for -10. |
LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.24 09:13:00 -
[118]
Edited by: LUKEC on 24/06/2007 09:18:48
Edited by: LUKEC on 24/06/2007 09:12:54
Originally by: Danari
Okay you bloody einsteins, proof or stfu. Who's actually solo'd a vaga? Rarest kill in eve imo. I did it in August of two thousand and ******* FIVE.
I did. Vaga pilot was Flashzed(rat. n00b  , not).
But it was because he made a mistake, gist talisman domi + 3 points > 2 wcs vaga. It was funny because he had killright on me and I noticed him in agil on local and pretended to be afk on gate. He came and left in pod :D
About vagas, it's like 7 hacs and 1 hai (heavy ass interceptor). Is it overpowered... not rly, you just need to bait it right. It was silly with wcs though. Does it need to be brought a bit more near other hacs, yes it should. Increasing pg on extenders should do the trick. The more imba minmatar ship atm is sabre.
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I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.24 09:17:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Rylet VanDorn
Anything Vagas can't kill, they can run away from. There is 0 risk flying one as long as you're paying attention, and anyone who says they're "risky" to fly is deluded.
The OP is right. Take a look around. All you ever see nowadays are command ships (which, imho, SHOULD be powerful, since they're relatively slow) and Vagas, especially among pirates.
Pretty much sums it up. As little risk as possible and as much reward as possible.
Imo, dampspeed curse is more annoying, but ... sensor booster, overload domi web, pwn. If it fails, back to gate and jump.
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I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.24 10:49:00 -
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The risk/reward for speedships in general is a bit broken. It's difficult to balance, though, because anything what will limit their superior ability to run away if things go south is also killing their tank. Don't think they can be balanced from that angle.
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