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Pelf Matagraph	Posted - 2007.06.24 01:38:00 - [181] Originally by: SiJira did you know that wow is slowly dying ? You are right. The old servers from release which I started on are very much abandoned. Oh they got a little busy during the expansion, but then dropped off. The problem with the game is that damned 70 level cap. it's not sustainable for years and years as a game.
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.24 01:38:00 - [182] Originally by: tommit Originally by: E Vile "Depending on the severity it's grounds for instant termination of their contract/job. What boundaries do you expect? Execution?" YES! OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!! you didnt follow the incident i can hear... they havent fired the responsible people. Yes this is true... the penalty for being caught NOW is termination... this is true... but apparently, some convienient Icelandic law says you cannot be punished twice for something you have already been punished for in the past. "The environment plays a big part but EVE is a "PvP" game." Oveur (Its not a MMORPG after all - I sent Oveur a email to update the main page)
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.24 01:41:00 - [183] Originally by: SiJira did you know that wow is slowly dying ? Yeah... 8 million subsrciptions shows how badly they are hurting for players.... But yeah that game wasnt made for longevity imho... the whole game is basically gribnding to get to 70 then when you get there.... grind for rep grind for pvp set grind to get armor sets...... "The environment plays a big part but EVE is a "PvP" game." Oveur (Its not a MMORPG after all - I sent Oveur a email to update the main page)
DeODokktor Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium	Posted - 2007.06.24 01:44:00 - [184] Originally by: trikish actually he is right... they have lost a hell lot of players on that, both old and new comming. if they just said known ccp employees charecters will be removed and are not allowed to have ingame charecters since this is costing too much for eve... this would actually help eve... well nvm ccp don't care for any one BUT bob (themself) Having staff play the game is a great idea.. If you found out Microsoft staff only used Fedora and OpenOffice then how would that make them sell more? Do you think that annoying bugs get fixed faster, or slower, when someone who might deal with those issues actually see's it happen to them a few times a week. Balace issues arent all about raw numbers (if they were, then games wouldnt spend years trying to balance weapons and such), having a dev who plays the game can really make a difference with some of those balance issues. I support (and would activly encourge) devs of any software (or any product for that matter) to use their own stuff. If I found out that the American Airlines CEO only flys Delta then I wouldnt get on their planes ;)... Cheating happens in ALL games, I imagine that the KNOWN amount of PLAYER cheating, and PLAYER BOUGHT ISK (Goons have purchased a LOT of isk from my understanding) would dwarf any amount of ASSUMED Dev/Staff cheating.. Non-Paid ISD need to be removed from EVE however, as they generally take no penalty in doing bad deeds.. (I'd rather see paid ISD members than an EveTelevision show)...
Admiral Seafort DarkStar 1	Posted - 2007.06.24 01:48:00 - [185] Originally by: DeODokktor Originally by: trikish actually he is right... they have lost a hell lot of players on that, both old and new comming. if they just said known ccp employees charecters will be removed and are not allowed to have ingame charecters since this is costing too much for eve... this would actually help eve... well nvm ccp don't care for any one BUT bob (themself) Having staff play the game is a great idea.. If you found out Microsoft staff only used Fedora and OpenOffice then how would that make them sell more? Do you think that annoying bugs get fixed faster, or slower, when someone who might deal with those issues actually see's it happen to them a few times a week. Balace issues arent all about raw numbers (if they were, then games wouldnt spend years trying to balance weapons and such), having a dev who plays the game can really make a difference with some of those balance issues. I support (and would activly encourge) devs of any software (or any product for that matter) to use their own stuff. If I found out that the American Airlines CEO only flys Delta then I wouldnt get on their planes ;)... Cheating happens in ALL games, I imagine that the KNOWN amount of PLAYER cheating, and PLAYER BOUGHT ISK (Goons have purchased a LOT of isk from my understanding) would dwarf any amount of ASSUMED Dev/Staff cheating.. Non-Paid ISD need to be removed from EVE however, as they generally take no penalty in doing bad deeds.. (I'd rather see paid ISD members than an EveTelevision show)... Office applications and airlines are not competitive internet games. People do not compete within office applications, nor within airplane cabins. Please draw a more appropriate metaphor. ----- It is well that war is so terrible. We should grow too fond of it.
The Blinded	Posted - 2007.06.24 01:49:00 - [186] Edited by: The Blinded on 24/06/2007 01:50:48 This game is never going to make much more of itself for two simple reasons that I have stated else where and will state here again: Originally by: The Blinded the players of this game dont want more ppl playing it and the company couldnt give a **** wether or not you stay. Noobs come into the game and if the elitist forum farriors run them away, CCP's cavalier attiude of "if you dont like the way we run things, heres the door." will. Its kinda funny when both the ingrained players of the game AND the arrogant company BOTH tell New players "if you dont like it go play WoW". THIS is going to kill this game. >> No you cant have my stuff, when I leave Im taking it with me cause im greedy like that >>
Feilamya Minmatar Against all Rules SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.06.24 02:02:00 - [187] Originally by: Kirell We had read on the internet that the people who run EVE were cheating in thier own game" Now, I was surprised to hear this from them since they have never played EVE, and I have never talked to them about the game. But the Incidents concerning the developers helping alliances in game (namely BoB) have reached far more than just the EVE community. ... and that's how lots of players (such as me) became aware of EVE. I can't speak for others, but for me, what I've read about the game itself (you can't write a news story about BoB and CCP outside the EVE community without writing about EVE) was much more interesting than the details about CCP helping BoB. I got curious, tried to find other EVE players on forums to ask them questions about the game, read the intro and player guide on eve-online.com and after a while I was convinced that EVE was an alternative, and probably the only one, to the mmo I had played for four years then. And after some time I decided to switch to EVE. The story about BoB didn't scare me off. On the contrary, it is good advertising for the game to show that the devs like to play their own creation. If I'm not the only one who discovered EVE that way, then those incidents of developer misconduct might have been best publicity CCP could have wished for. But I see FNORDs on the scanner now, so I better stop before the conspiracy theorists warp in.
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.24 02:04:00 - [188] Originally by: Feilamya Originally by: Kirell We had read on the internet that the people who run EVE were cheating in thier own game" Now, I was surprised to hear this from them since they have never played EVE, and I have never talked to them about the game. But the Incidents concerning the developers helping alliances in game (namely BoB) have reached far more than just the EVE community. ... and that's how lots of players (such as me) became aware of EVE. I can't speak for others, but for me, what I've read about the game itself (you can't write a news story about BoB and CCP outside the EVE community without writing about EVE) was much more interesting than the details about CCP helping BoB. I got curious, tried to find other EVE players on forums to ask them questions about the game, read the intro and player guide on eve-online.com and after a while I was convinced that EVE was an alternative, and probably the only one, to the mmo I had played for four years then. And after some time I decided to switch to EVE. The story about BoB didn't scare me off. On the contrary, it is good advertising for the game to show that the devs like to play their own creation. If I'm not the only one who discovered EVE that way, then those incidents of developer misconduct might have been best publicity CCP could have wished for. But I see FNORDs on the scanner now, so I better stop before the conspiracy theorists warp in. Confirmation that Bad Publicity = free pubilicity and any publicity = good lol "The environment plays a big part but EVE is a "PvP" game." Oveur (Its not a MMORPG after all - I sent Oveur a email to update the main page)
Picolo	Posted - 2007.06.24 02:27:00 - [189] me puts on t2 tinfoil hat
Picolo	Posted - 2007.06.24 02:27:00 - [190] me puts on t2 tinfoil hat

Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.24 03:02:00 - [191] You know, I thought about this, driving to a friend's house today. EVE like will never actually die so long as EVE can wring money from it. I realized that even IF CCP were to decide that it wasnt worth it anymore and were to change the game so horribly that most ppl left certain ppl would STILL play the game cause everything CCP does is gold to them. The ONLY way these ppl will ever stop playing this game is if CCP turns the game off perminantly and as I stated before.... "The environment plays a big part but EVE is a "PvP" game." Oveur (Its not a MMORPG after all - I sent Oveur a email to update the main page)
Darth Moo	Posted - 2007.06.24 03:47:00 - [192] <<Insert boulevard of broken dreams here>> moo! If its not an exploit then its fair game
RabidCoyote	Posted - 2007.06.24 04:10:00 - [193] Interesting thread. I heard about this problem of CCP employees before I started the trial. And, to be honest, I'ts been in the back of my mind for the entire trial. I'm not too concerned about it becuase I'm starting to find the game to be alittle too slow and boring. But, If I do decide to take the jump and subscribe and stick with the game, it would really suick to have to deal with this kind of stuff.
Rylet VanDorn Pastafarians Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.06.24 04:22:00 - [194] Edited by: Rylet VanDorn on 24/06/2007 04:21:48 I 100% agree with the guy, and I have absolutely no political affiliation pro or anti BoB. Playing EvE Online is like playing on a private server for any other MMO. Tons of bugs, new stuff is implemented while huge imbalances exist, and the people who run the game are not impartial to political machinations. Hell, even being able to purchase Time Cards and turn those straight into ISK is almost like the "Donation" system most private servers have. You can try to shove these types of arguements under the rug as "Political Rhetoric" all you want, but that doesn't get rid of the fact that the developers of any game should not have god access to the same servers they themselves have characters on, unless the realm is designated for testing purposes only.
GPerson Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.06.24 05:10:00 - [195] Originally by: The Blinded Edited by: The Blinded on 24/06/2007 01:50:48 This game is never going to make much more of itself for two simple reasons that I have stated else where and will state here again: Originally by: The Blinded the players of this game dont want more ppl playing it and the company couldnt give a **** wether or not you stay. Noobs come into the game and if the elitist forum farriors run them away, CCP's cavalier attiude of "if you dont like the way we run things, heres the door." will. Its kinda funny when both the ingrained players of the game AND the arrogant company BOTH tell New players "if you dont like it go play WoW". THIS is going to kill this game. Nope. Quite the opposite in my mind. Our attitude keeps people who simply don't have the mentality required for this game out. They don't wind up playing a game they don't like, and we don't have to deal with them whining about core features of the game. ~~~Sig Stuffs Here~~~ I highly recommend drunken posting. This sig has been unhighjacked since 2005.
Darth Moo	Posted - 2007.06.24 05:16:00 - [196] Originally by: GPerson Originally by: The Blinded Edited by: The Blinded on 24/06/2007 01:50:48 This game is never going to make much more of itself for two simple reasons that I have stated else where and will state here again: Originally by: The Blinded the players of this game dont want more ppl playing it and the company couldnt give a **** wether or not you stay. Noobs come into the game and if the elitist forum farriors run them away, CCP's cavalier attiude of "if you dont like the way we run things, heres the door." will. Its kinda funny when both the ingrained players of the game AND the arrogant company BOTH tell New players "if you dont like it go play WoW". THIS is going to kill this game. Nope. Quite the opposite in my mind. Our attitude keeps people who simply don't have the mentality required for this game out. They don't wind up playing a game they don't like, and we don't have to deal with them whining about core features of the game. Riiiiiiight EVE doesnt NEED new ppl coming into the game.... moo! If its not an exploit then its fair game
Jaikar Isillia The Vinlanders Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.24 06:09:00 - [197] Originally by: Darth Moo Originally by: GPerson Originally by: The Blinded Edited by: The Blinded on 24/06/2007 01:50:48 This game is never going to make much more of itself for two simple reasons that I have stated else where and will state here again: Originally by: The Blinded the players of this game dont want more ppl playing it and the company couldnt give a **** wether or not you stay. Noobs come into the game and if the elitist forum farriors run them away, CCP's cavalier attiude of "if you dont like the way we run things, heres the door." will. Its kinda funny when both the ingrained players of the game AND the arrogant company BOTH tell New players "if you dont like it go play WoW". THIS is going to kill this game. Nope. Quite the opposite in my mind. Our attitude keeps people who simply don't have the mentality required for this game out. They don't wind up playing a game they don't like, and we don't have to deal with them whining about core features of the game. Riiiiiiight EVE doesnt NEED new ppl coming into the game.... No you misunderstand, EVE wants new people but not whining noobs who don't have the mental capacity or tolerance to play EVE. So players provide the service linking them to worldofwarcraft.com. Can I make it any more clear?
Darth Moo	Posted - 2007.06.24 08:33:00 - [198] right and that elitist attitude is gonna draw noobs to us like flies to.... Youve already judged and weighed everyone looking to get into this game and if they dont live up to your ideals then they arent worthy... You arent one of those BoB alts I keep hearing about are you? As Ive heard that they espouse such "better breeding better gene" thinking that you seem to be having. moo! If its not an exploit then its fair game
Ja'kar kleptomaniacs	Posted - 2007.06.24 11:16:00 - [199] I see the argument you're making but you're forgetting "Internal Affairs" now exists, I can only guess that they either made this in a last ditch attempt to make players happy or that cheating really was / is that rampant. yah thats gonna work
Mr Smartypants Amarr Dragon Mining And Fighters Inc	Posted - 2007.06.24 16:51:00 - [200] Originally by: Lady Trade - this sucks because i'll take 2 years to be able to fly ship X or build Y and i'll never be able to catch up Its true though isnt it? If you werent part Eve from day one there will always be someone who is higher in the foodchain and theres nothing, absolutely zilch you can do which will make you suddenly on a balanced ground. Originally by: Lady Trade - this is a game for saddistic lunatics that like damaging others Of course it seems like that when you discover how the Skill system of Eve works and how PvP is based on the use of those skills, there isnt anything you can do after picking up the game so far after launch to not become a default victim from the saddistic lunatics so why not tell it how it is? Originally by: Lady Trade - there is little to no guidance for new players, you have to make your own life and don't get it served to you on a gold platter. Thats was what I found fun about Eve until I discovered the above two issues, long story short I knew id always be the noob in the game because I didnt start skilling on its launch date. Going nowhere, slowly seems like an adiquate phrase to use. Originally by: Lady Trade - it's to complicated to be fun and requires to much micro management Quote: while i personally disagree with all the above points (to some extent at least) they are all more or less valid arguments to stop playing. (but people that have these problems are way better of with hello kitty online or WoW) And some people are better off in a game that by default makes players more "skilled" because they had an account running for a longer duration than the....noob ever did. Seriously are you telling me and other newcomers that we should make 'lemonade' for the rest of our natural lives in Eve by default design and 'enjoy' that? The real reason why Eve isnt as popular as your strawman examples (Hello Kitty/WoW) is because as soon a new subscription on those games is made, that account is not indefinatly stuck in Newb land. Originally by: Lady Trade on the other hand not ONE of the new players that quit again was whining about cheating devs so frankly i don't agree with your assumption that "eve is doomed". I would say the above issue is the final nail in the coffin, I didnt hear about the scandel until I browsed here for a while. Thankfully when my 14 day trial is over ill thin your subscription base by 1 and also bring your PvP standards up by 1. (Did you see what I did there?)

Sharra Savente Shai'tan's Elite	Posted - 2007.06.24 17:00:00 - [201] glances at the player count Breaking 32,000 right now.... Yup, Eve is dead:P English doesn't borrow from other languages; it follows other languages down dark alleys, coshes them, then rummages in their pockets for loose grammar.
Darth Moo	Posted - 2007.06.24 21:10:00 - [202] Well, according to the dude at top of the page, EVE is wormfood if WoW is dying with 8 MILLION accounts or so... moo! If its not an exploit then its fair game
Scientistae	Posted - 2007.06.24 21:25:00 - [203] I agree fully with the thoughts of the first post in this thread. EVE has gotten a bad rep due to the allegations on misbehaviour of its own devs. NO MATTER WHAT/HOW/WHERE/WHY and IF something really happened or who it supposedly involved. People just don't want to join a game with a tarnished reputation. I can see Bob's getting ****** off with the accusations/pointed finger, but the main problem of a small playerbase remains and involves us all. Lesser players will, eventually, mean raised subscription costs for all of us, and that is a real problem. I for one, would really like to see some serious advertisment from CCP's side so that this game grows..heck, I invest all my spare time in their product. As a customer of their service I demand constant improvement on all fronts, and a larger playerbase is just one of the things on my wish-list.
Darth Moo	Posted - 2007.06.25 01:14:00 - [204] Originally by: Mr Smartypants Originally by: Lady Trade - this sucks because i'll take 2 years to be able to fly ship X or build Y and i'll never be able to catch up Its true though isnt it? If you werent part Eve from day one there will always be someone who is higher in the foodchain and theres nothing, absolutely zilch you can do which will make you suddenly on a balanced ground. Originally by: Lady Trade - this is a game for saddistic lunatics that like damaging others Of course it seems like that when you discover how the Skill system of Eve works and how PvP is based on the use of those skills, there isnt anything you can do after picking up the game so far after launch to not become a default victim from the saddistic lunatics so why not tell it how it is? Originally by: Lady Trade - there is little to no guidance for new players, you have to make your own life and don't get it served to you on a gold platter. Thats was what I found fun about Eve until I discovered the above two issues, long story short I knew id always be the noob in the game because I didnt start skilling on its launch date. Going nowhere, slowly seems like an adiquate phrase to use. Originally by: Lady Trade - it's to complicated to be fun and requires to much micro management Quote: while i personally disagree with all the above points (to some extent at least) they are all more or less valid arguments to stop playing. (but people that have these problems are way better of with hello kitty online or WoW) And some people are better off in a game that by default makes players more "skilled" because they had an account running for a longer duration than the....noob ever did. Seriously are you telling me and other newcomers that we should make 'lemonade' for the rest of our natural lives in Eve by default design and 'enjoy' that? The real reason why Eve isnt as popular as your strawman examples (Hello Kitty/WoW) is because as soon a new subscription on those games is made, that account is not indefinatly stuck in Newb land. Originally by: Lady Trade on the other hand not ONE of the new players that quit again was whining about cheating devs so frankly i don't agree with your assumption that "eve is doomed". I would say the above issue is the final nail in the coffin, I didnt hear about the scandel until I browsed here for a while. Thankfully when my 14 day trial is over ill thin your subscription base by 1 and also bring your PvP standards up by 1. (Did you see what I did there?) QFT moo! If its not an exploit then its fair game
Gladia Horusthu Gallente Ordo Pondera	Posted - 2007.06.25 06:14:00 - [205] Originally by: Mr Smartypants Originally by: Lady Trade - this sucks because i'll take 2 years to be able to fly ship X or build Y and i'll never be able to catch up Its true though isnt it? If you werent part Eve from day one there will always be someone who is higher in the foodchain and theres nothing, absolutely zilch you can do which will make you suddenly on a balanced ground. Originally by: Lady Trade - this is a game for saddistic lunatics that like damaging others Of course it seems like that when you discover how the Skill system of Eve works and how PvP is based on the use of those skills, there isnt anything you can do after picking up the game so far after launch to not become a default victim from the saddistic lunatics so why not tell it how it is? Originally by: Lady Trade - there is little to no guidance for new players, you have to make your own life and don't get it served to you on a gold platter. Thats was what I found fun about Eve until I discovered the above two issues, long story short I knew id always be the noob in the game because I didnt start skilling on its launch date. Going nowhere, slowly seems like an adiquate phrase to use. Originally by: Lady Trade - it's to complicated to be fun and requires to much micro management Quote: while i personally disagree with all the above points (to some extent at least) they are all more or less valid arguments to stop playing. (but people that have these problems are way better of with hello kitty online or WoW) And some people are better off in a game that by default makes players more "skilled" because they had an account running for a longer duration than the....noob ever did. Seriously are you telling me and other newcomers that we should make 'lemonade' for the rest of our natural lives in Eve by default design and 'enjoy' that? The real reason why Eve isnt as popular as your strawman examples (Hello Kitty/WoW) is because as soon a new subscription on those games is made, that account is not indefinatly stuck in Newb land. Originally by: Lady Trade on the other hand not ONE of the new players that quit again was whining about cheating devs so frankly i don't agree with your assumption that "eve is doomed". I would say the above issue is the final nail in the coffin, I didnt hear about the scandel until I browsed here for a while. Thankfully when my 14 day trial is over ill thin your subscription base by 1 and also bring your PvP standards up by 1. (Did you see what I did there?) OK, here's a common misperception. There are only 5 levels to any one skill. You train Gallente Frigate 5, you are as good as any 4 year vet in that. You train Small Hybrids to 5, you just tied any 4 year vet in that. You train Small Blaster or Railgun Specialization, and you will be using T2 just like any vet in a Gallente frigate. And I have seen plenty of small roaming gangs in both lowsec and 0.0 featuring setups such as that, particularly if you add a point onto it. If it's the time thing, yeah, you will have to train for years to catch up to the vets in capital ships-- just like they did. And then you'll be as good in them as they are, too. And if you're not into investing a couple years into Eve, you'll NEVER be that good. Because that is what it takes. They worked for it, you have to as well. I'm a vet, and I started over, and have encountered no problems so far in progressing. In fact, I am able to progress faster than the first time. Things are a LOT easier to achieve than when the vets were noobs. You can compete, if you have the same will and staying power as those in power today.
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.25 07:02:00 - [206] Originally by: Gladia Horusthu Originally by: Mr Smartypants Originally by: Lady Trade - this sucks because i'll take 2 years to be able to fly ship X or build Y and i'll never be able to catch up Its true though isnt it? If you werent part Eve from day one there will always be someone who is higher in the foodchain and theres nothing, absolutely zilch you can do which will make you suddenly on a balanced ground. Originally by: Lady Trade - this is a game for saddistic lunatics that like damaging others Of course it seems like that when you discover how the Skill system of Eve works and how PvP is based on the use of those skills, there isnt anything you can do after picking up the game so far after launch to not become a default victim from the saddistic lunatics so why not tell it how it is? Originally by: Lady Trade - there is little to no guidance for new players, you have to make your own life and don't get it served to you on a gold platter. Thats was what I found fun about Eve until I discovered the above two issues, long story short I knew id always be the noob in the game because I didnt start skilling on its launch date. Going nowhere, slowly seems like an adiquate phrase to use. Originally by: Lady Trade - it's to complicated to be fun and requires to much micro management Quote: while i personally disagree with all the above points (to some extent at least) they are all more or less valid arguments to stop playing. (but people that have these problems are way better of with hello kitty online or WoW) And some people are better off in a game that by default makes players more "skilled" because they had an account running for a longer duration than the....noob ever did. Seriously are you telling me and other newcomers that we should make 'lemonade' for the rest of our natural lives in Eve by default design and 'enjoy' that? The real reason why Eve isnt as popular as your strawman examples (Hello Kitty/WoW) is because as soon a new subscription on those games is made, that account is not indefinatly stuck in Newb land. Originally by: Lady Trade on the other hand not ONE of the new players that quit again was whining about cheating devs so frankly i don't agree with your assumption that "eve is doomed". I would say the above issue is the final nail in the coffin, I didnt hear about the scandel until I browsed here for a while. Thankfully when my 14 day trial is over ill thin your subscription base by 1 and also bring your PvP standards up by 1. (Did you see what I did there?) OK, here's a common misperception. There are only 5 levels to any one skill. You train Gallente Frigate 5, you are as good as any 4 year vet in that. You train Small Hybrids to 5, you just tied any 4 year vet in that. You train Small Blaster or Railgun Specialization, and you will be using T2 just like any vet in a Gallente frigate. And I have seen plenty of small roaming gangs in both lowsec and 0.0 featuring setups such as that, particularly if you add a point onto it. If it's the time thing, yeah, you will have to train for years to catch up to the vets in capital ships-- just like they did. And then you'll be as good in them as they are, too. And if you're not into investing a couple years into Eve, you'll NEVER be that good. Because that is what it takes. They worked for it, you have to as well. I'm a vet, and I started over, and have encountered no problems so far in progressing. In fact, I am able to progress faster than the first time. Things are a LOT easier to achieve than when the vets were noobs. You can compete, if you have the same LACK OF AN IRL LIFE AND/OR JOB as those in power today. Fixed yer typo ======================================== "The environment plays a big part but EVE is a "PvP" game." Oveur (Its not a MMORPG after all - I sent Oveur a email to update the main page)
fightnkill Dark Blade Incorporated	Posted - 2007.06.25 07:12:00 - [207] One of my worries when playing Eve is that the creators; Some members of CCP are still Biased towards one group of Players (BOB). Yeah, I know that there are few unbiased Devs that''s trying their best and honestly not trying to smear their Company's reputation. Cheers to them Even thou CCP is trying to assure us that there arn't any biased mods in their company, It is impossible for them to determine what goes in the minds of their employees. So there is a high probability that there are some biased mods still. The events following the death of "Darwin's Contraption" may be an evidence since whenever BoB kills a Titan, Many members of CCP tries to glorify BoB's achievement. However on the other hand, when the enemies of BoB makes any sort of major achievement, they don't do anything. On the otherhand, Some of the update from Tuesday indicates that there are Fair mods in the play as well. For example, the Nerfing of DD. They make Eve a better place for everyone, while Biased mods ruin the game for huge portion of Eve while favoring the tiny portion. So my point is, even thou there are some bad fruits in CCP, there are good fruits as well. We shouldn't really generalize Entire CCP (INCLUDING THE HONEST DEVS) from the actions of few Biased devs. We should SUPPORT the unbiased devs, and fight against corruption! DOWN WITH CORRUPT DEVS!
Milena Rage The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.06.25 07:47:00 - [208] Originally by: fightnkill Edited by: fightnkill on 25/06/2007 07:17:00 One of my worries when playing Eve is that the creators; Some members of CCP are still Biased towards one group of Players (BOB). Yeah, I know that there are few unbiased Devs that''s trying their best and honestly not trying to smear their Company's reputation. Cheers to them Even thou CCP is trying to assure us that there arn't any biased mods in their company, It is impossible for them to determine what goes in the minds of their employees. So there is a high probability that there are some biased mods still. The events following the death of "Darwin's Contraption" may be an evidence since whenever BoB kills a Titan, Many members of CCP tries to glorify BoB's achievement. However on the other hand, when the enemies of BoB makes any sort of major achievement, they don't do anything. On the otherhand, Some of the update from Tuesday indicates that there are Fair mods in the play as well. For example, the Nerfing of DD. They make Eve a better place for everyone, while Biased mods ruin the game for huge portion of Eve while favoring the tiny portion. So my point is, even thou there are some bad fruits in CCP, there are good fruits as well. We shouldn't really generalize Entire CCP (INCLUDING THE HONEST DEVS) from the actions of few Biased devs. We should SUPPORT the unbiased devs, and fight against corruption! DOWN WITH CORRUPT DEVS! Edit: The Good Part of CCP added the news of the death of BoB's titan idiot.
Dionisius Gallente Vindictive Behavior THE H0RDE	Posted - 2007.06.25 08:06:00 - [209] Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire. thats a different image :p Man i¦m going to use this bit of your post as my sig. _______________________ Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire. thats a
trada ash	Posted - 2007.06.25 09:16:00 - [210] Originally by: Sharupak They probably got their info from mmorpg.com which is full of misinfo about games from people that play the trial and then whine. that is a great summary hehe.



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