Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.

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Originally by: Krexus

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maybe i should not do this but what the hell.

to all the whiners, flamer, trollers and the lost souls not knowing what they are talking about.

I challenge you all to make a game that is as great as Eve Online is. Then and only then ,when you have achieved that, can one make a valid opinion of this whole icident.

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Originally by: fightnkill

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Edited by: fightnkill on 25/06/2007 07:17:00
One of my worries when playing Eve is that the creators; Some members of CCP are
still Biased towards one group of Players (BOB).

Yeah, I know that there are few unbiased Devs that''s trying their best and
honestly not trying to smear their Company's reputation. Cheers to them

Even thou CCP is trying to assure us that there arn't any biased mods in their
company, It is impossible for them to determine what goes in the minds of their
employees. So there is a high probability that there are some biased mods still.

The events following the death of "Darwin's Contraption" may be an evidence
since whenever BoB kills a Titan, Many members of CCP tries to glorify BoB's
achievement. However on the other hand, when the enemies of BoB makes any sort of major achievement, they don't do anything.

On the otherhand, Some of the update from Tuesday indicates that there are Fair
mods in the play as well. For example, the Nerfing of DD. They make Eve a better
place for everyone, while Biased mods ruin the game for huge portion of Eve
while favoring the tiny portion.


So my point is, even thou there are some bad fruits in CCP, there are good fruits as well. We shouldn't really generalize Entire CCP (INCLUDING THE HONEST DEVS) from the actions of few Biased devs. We should SUPPORT the unbiased devs, and fight against corruption!

DOWN WITH CORRUPT DEVS!


Edit: The Good Part of CCP added the news of the death of BoB's titan

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Originally by: Kirell

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As many people know Asherons Call was a great game, first of it's kind with a new feel and a new way of doing nearly everything. It had a strong community, and a good subscribership at it's peak having to open a new server every few months to deal with the load. Alas after so much tim ein the Sun, Asherons Call perished (I'm sure AC2 bombing helped it as well) Except for a few loyal followers AC fell into the past.

EVE online and AC have alot in common. Small subscriber base of loyal fans, sort of a niche in the market holding the interest of a certain group and of course constantly trying to attract more.

Now the reason why I say it is doomed....

Today I tried (as many days before) to convince a few friends to try EVE online, to give it a shot with the free 14 day trial. Figured why not show others what a great game this is. Their response to this query of mine, " EVE online has been corrupted by it's own developers, We had read on the internet that the people who run EVE were cheating in thier own game"

Now, I was surprised to hear this from them since they have never played EVE, and I have never talked to them about the game. But the Incidents concerning the developers helping alliances in game (namely BoB) have reached far more than just the EVE community.

Now no matter what BoB accomplishes, even if they eventually control all of 0.0 space, or 90% of it or whatever they will have this hang over thier heads, and never truly be able to have thier accomplishment respected by players in game ( at least those that oppose BoB) But this whole issue has damaged CCP's role in EVE to the point where they have cost themselves possibly a large number of new subscribers.

I also take into account that not so long ago, peak periods of EVE had reached well over 30,000 and now, these last couple of weeks I check peak times and I see it dropping at steady rate. I also see alot of forums where people are quitting eve due to "Lack of trust in CCP"

And while EVE still remains a great game, with alot of great things to come, I believe that in the not so distant future it will be joining Asherons Call on that lonely road, I am sure there will be the regular followers, the fanboi's of CCP trying to keep it alive, but with MMO's multiplying faster than rabbits people will move elsewhere quickly.

Maybe you don't feel that way, which is good in some ways, or maybe you don't care.... it's no matter this is just my thoughts on EVE onlines future sustainability as a competetive MMO in the future to come.

And no.... this isn't a BoB thread... Just my thoughts on why EVE is doomed, purely the fault of CCP due to lack of proper boundries for thier own employees involvement in the game.

CCP should have taken greater measures to prevent thier employees from being too heavily involved in the player alliances. Most people in a position of power like that in a competative environment will be vastly tempted to tip the scale in thier favor.

Discuss, please avoid flaming. all VALID opinions welcome.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.

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Originally by: Cornucopian

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Originally by: Dark Shikari

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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 21/06/2007 13:58:09
Hi goon!
See, its like mad libs, it makes just as much sense! Tomorrow, we can use "Sparta Alliance" or "Kleptomaniacs"!

(P.S. Subscription numbers are rising faster than ever, last I heard)

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omfg, I can't believe I'm gonna reply to a dark shikari post!!!! He is teh Pwnzor!?

Ahem....

Dark, if this is true, then why did CCP drop the server load graph they used to have on the site? When I started eve (a week before the 'scandal') numbers were always in the 30k+ range after I got back from work.

These days they average out at less than 30K: this is a noticable drop in userbase.

I don't believe EVE will fade like asheron, since EVE is a unique game in many rights, but the 'scandal' has hurt CCPs rep and the trust it's clients have in the game as a valid entertainment product.

I also firmly believe that the independant committee is nothing more than a pacifier.

Eve, however, wont die soon!!! NEVER!

p.s. DS -> your sigs rule. I laugh at em every time.

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Originally by: CCP kieron

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If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.

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Originally by: Richard Aiel

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Originally by: Krexus

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maybe i should not do this but what the hell.

to all the whiners, flamer, trollers and the lost souls not knowing what they are talking about.

I challenge you all to make a game that is as great as Eve Online is. Then and only then ,when you have achieved that, can one make a valid opinion of this whole icident.

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So you've made such a game? Whats the address? Otherwise, you are a hypocrite (and dont have a valid opinion)

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.

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Originally by: Washell Olivaw

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Originally by: Kirell

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Just my thoughts on why EVE is doomed, purely the fault of CCP due to lack of proper boundries for thier own employees involvement in the game.

CCP should have taken greater measures to prevent thier employees from being too heavily involved in the player alliances. Most people in a position of power like that in a competative environment will be vastly tempted to tip the scale in thier favor.

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Depending on the severity it's grounds for instant termination of their contract/job. What boundaries do you expect? Execution?

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Originally by: Krexus

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Hypocrite.... ok let's see. correct me if i'm wrong tho here goes ( EXAMPLE )*stuff I said * Then and only then ,when you have achieved that, can one make a valid opinion of this whole icident. However ccp should never have done this and bla bla bla bla ( /EXAMPLE )

Now afaik, that is hypocritism ..... I did not see a flame, troll or whine in my previous post about what has happend.

kthnxbye

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Originally by: EnglishBob

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I have opposed BoB in the past and no doubt will again in the future and I fully respect BoB for both their achievements and skill in game. I'm also man enough to take defeat without whining about cheating and victory without hitting the forums like billy big-*******s. Many others in this game play the same way.

More people should try it, Bitterness rarely helps.

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Originally by: Crumplecorn

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Anyone so lacking in grey matter that they base their opinions of, well, anything soley on what other people say about one particular aspect of said thing would not survive Eve anyway.

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Originally by: Kirell

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EVE online and AC have alot in common. Small subscriber base of loyal fans, sort of a niche in the market holding the interest of a certain group and of course constantly trying to attract more.

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Originally by: Kirell

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But the Incidents concerning the developers helping alliances in game (namely BoB) have reached far more than just the EVE community...this whole issue has damaged CCP's role in EVE to the point where they have cost themselves possibly a large number of new subscribers.

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Originally by: Kirell

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I also take into account that not so long ago, peak periods of EVE had reached well over 30,000 and now, these last couple of weeks I check peak times and I see it dropping at steady rate.

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