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Sir Dancealot	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:02:00 - [151] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 21/06/2007 13:57:33 Originally by: Kirell First this isn't a topic about "cheating" it's about CCP's own employees being too involved with player alliances and thus tarnishing the image of CCP's fair play within it's own game. Because clearly, a single BoB member joking about MSNing a dev and another single employee cheating while part of an alliance and getting disciplined for it is proof that CCP is getting way too involved with alliances. What next? The static complex removal in Revelations II was clearly an attack on RA: CCP MUST BE BOB ALTS! O GOD IT ALL MAKES SENSSE NOW [:SHOCK] Originally by: Incantare Thread does not deliver. I was expecting a story, funny, surprising or otherwise interesting. Instead I got to read Kehmor's smacking. Awesome.
Caztra Tor	Posted - 2007.06.22 12:48:00 - [152] In reply to the OP: You are correct that CCP has been damaged by their handling of the scandals. Indeed, I allowed my account to lapse on account of it. But, as you can see, I have returned. I have returned to see the outcome of this drama played out on the battlefields. I will accept only one result -- the displacement of bob from 0.0. Perhaps this is the result of tunnel vision, but, I equate all success against bob as a benefit to the game I love. It is that simple. bob must pay for their transgressions and, apparently, the player base is all there is to ensure that they do. The bob titan has fallen to RA/Goon ships. Come and join the anti-bob forces and get your pound of flesh today. Only we can save Eve -- UTKB!
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.22 14:03:00 - [153] Originally by: prsr Originally by: Hamfast I know real life is not supposed to be used in these threads, but I have a Real Life example... Your real life example is riddled with fallacies. Stop watching fox "news" is all i can say. It's like you are on Cheney and Rove's personal fax list ffs. And who do you get your information from, MoveOn.org or the DNC? Originally by: prsr Originally by: Hamfast Had Bob Come forward with the aforementioned BPO's (and any others the conspiracy types think exist) and said to CCP (Publicly) "These BPO's were provided to us under questionable circumstances", I would have less problems believing that nobody knew. Since when is a vet that leaves your corp and donates his bpo's to the people he has spend so much time with a questionable circumstance? When people recreated the "scandal" at the beginning of this year they demanded actions on the bpo's while Bob didn't get any official confirmation on the story that was put forth. Would you hand out your t2 bpo's just because some people are dramabombing the forum with accusations you can't verify? If that "Vet" is a Dev and you knew it (as I suspect some in Bob knew), he drops a bunch of T2 BPO's into the Corp Coffers, then you find out he may have spawned those BPO's outside the rules? You are darn right I ask. If those BPO's were gained via correct channels, CCP can say so, were they not, CCP can tell you that too. I may not be able to verify the authenticity of the BPO's, but CCP can. None of us is as dumb as all of us...
Agent Li	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:01:00 - [154] I'm a fairly new player who arrived just in time to see the fireworks. I can tell you that I'm still playing the game, and have no problems, no matter how many times someone tries to bring it up. ------------------ "Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all."
Solas	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:37:00 - [155] I think the average new player would care less about the whole Bob thing. They would not understand the impact on such a unique game such as Eve. To be honest, I still dont consider it a big deal as long as CPP takes steps in the future to ensure a level playing field in the future.
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp Vigilance Infinitas	Posted - 2007.06.22 15:50:00 - [156] Edited by: prsr on 22/06/2007 15:49:59 Originally by: Hamfast And who do you get your information from, MoveOn.org or the DNC? First; I'm not a US citizen. I don't have to deal with everything being either black or white, democratic or republican, nor do my news sources. Second; If a person or organisation says something thats obviously not true, i expect media to jump on it, not present it like it is a valid position to be held. I'm not saying it's all sucky in the US, just a lot worse than what i'm used to. Originally by: Hamfast If that "Vet" is a Dev and you knew it (as I suspect some in Bob knew), he drops a bunch of T2 BPO's into the Corp Coffers, then you find out he may have spawned those BPO's outside the rules? You are darn right I ask. If those BPO's were gained via correct channels, CCP can say so, were they not, CCP can tell you that too. I may not be able to verify the authenticity of the BPO's, but CCP can. So, what is your problem then? After the whole thing was confirmed publicly by CCP the bpo's got destroyed. To make your accusations convincing you really do have to show that Bob was not only aware of T20's cheating during last summer, but also aware of what he had done that was considered cheating. -- .sig apathy ftw
Cadela Fria Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:14:00 - [157] The T20 thing is beating a dead horse, leave it alone. Besides, all of you anti-CCP people, think about this for a second: CCP admits that some foul play happened: You all believe them, it must be true! it's CCP! THE COMPANY ITSELF! :o CCP then later, on a different issue says nothing is going on, on several incidents..even provides proof: LIARS!! LIARS I SAY!! ARGHH!! IT MUST NOT BE TRUE BECAUSE ITS THE COMPANY ITSE....oh wait....what were we just saying a few seconds ago?... ------- Incase you don't understand what I'm saying, heres a link that might shed some light on just the kind of people you're behaving like: The Witch Enjoy! Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Onchas Erivvia Black Eclipse Corp	Posted - 2007.06.22 16:34:00 - [158] Originally by: Hamfast T20 was in Bob, Some in Bob knew who T20 was, T20 cheated, T20 was outed, the person that outed T20 was banned, several months later some T2 BPO's were tied to that cheating and reclaimed... Who in BoB knew? You're stating it as a fact, so back it up. Who knew? The person who outted T20 was banned because of how they went about discovering the incident. The community did not become aware of the incident until something like six months after the case was investigated by CCP and resolved, upon hearing about the incident the BPO was RETURNED by BoB leadership, not RECLAIMED by CCP. Quote: You can believe all you want that nobody in Bob knew (before, during or after the fact) that T20 cheated and the BPO's he made available were not gained under the rules, but I find it hard to believe... Oh, so now it's a matter of belief. Got it. I know two Devs from my last alliance. Both have T2 BPOs. How do I know they acquired them through game mechanisms and not by spawning them? There was a spawning incident before the T20 one that was mentioned at the time this all came out. It's not the first time this has happened. Quote: Had Bob Come forward with the aforementioned BPO's (and any others the conspiracy types think exist) and said to CCP (Publicly) "These BPO's were provided to us under questionable circumstances", I would have less problems believing that nobody knew. As opposed to what did happen which was immediately upon finding out the circumstances upon which the BPO was acquired, it was returned. Your little moralization is built upon an assumption, one that you think is justified yet there's no evidence. Your belief is based totally on your desire for it to be true. But I think it's far more likely that someone doing something illegal like spawn a BPO would not tell a soul. Unfortunately there have been other incidents of improper Dev and GM behaviour (I wonder how many people have benefited from favourable GM decisions, including totally fabricated petitions), it will likely happen again. As a community, all we can do is to continue to demand of CCP to hold their staff accountable and to prioritize the tools they need to monitor their staff (both developers and community volunteers). These sorts of baseless accusations against people, however, doesn't help solve the problems that need to be solved. ------------------------------------------ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"' Teh Onchinator' Personal Assistant to MrsPitman
Johncrab Minmatar Typo Corp	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:11:00 - [159] Enough with this crap and lets play the ***** game. The player base has showned CCP how they fill, it's time to let it go and enjoy the game for ** sake.
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.22 19:29:00 - [160] So much funà LetÆs see prsr, you said (using this quote) that my example is full of fallacies and that I should stop watching Fox Newsà Originally by: prsr Originally by: Hamfast I know real life is not supposed to be used in these threads, but I have a Real Life example... Your real life example is riddled with fallacies. Stop watching fox "news" is all i can say. It's like you are on Cheney and Rove's personal fax list ffs. This was my whole real life exampleà Originally by: Hamfast I know real life is not supposed to be used in these threads, but I have a Real Life example... al-Qa'ida was not in Iraq... al-Qa'ida was in the US, Europe, Asia, Africa... but not in Iraq... You can believe that al-Qa'ida was not in Iraq all you want... but I really find it hard to believe. When I asked where you got your news from, you repliedà Originally by: prsr Edited by: prsr on 22/06/2007 15:49:59 Originally by: Hamfast And who do you get your information from, MoveOn.org or the DNC? First; I'm not a US citizen. I don't have to deal with everything being either black or white, democratic or republican, nor do my news sources. Second; If a person or organisation says something thats obviously not true, i expect media to jump on it, not present it like it is a valid position to be held. I'm not saying it's all sucky in the US, just a lot worse than what i'm used to. So your news services have shown you thatà al-QaÆida was not in Iraqà al-QaÆida may have been in the US, Europe, Asia, Africaà but they were not in Iraqà And you believe themà Then you ask: Originally by: prsr So, what is your problem then? After the whole thing was confirmed publicly by CCP the bpo's got destroyed. Look at the post that DBPreacher made upon the loss of their titanà Read some of his other postsà I have read several on multiple sitesà He is a very articulate, reasonable sounding person. Lost a Titan, did not make excuses, just posted the loss and congratulated the folks that did it inà I have no doubt that had this reasonable sounding, articulate person had posted during that 6 month span between when T20 and his misconduct were revealed and CCP finally admitted to it (they knew of the misconduct early on, punished T20, but not to the level that the Company Rules said he should have been because those that should have made that call were on vacation) that: ôIn light of the possible misconduct items that had been donated by the character that turned out to be T20 had been made available to CCP, checked, and those determined to have been gained via illicit means had been removed from playà ô But it has not been exposed until today that in truth, Originally by: Onchas Erivvia ôupon hearing about the incident the BPO was RETURNED by BoB leadership, not RECLAIMED by CCP.ö Why did it take Onchas Erivvia to reveal this information, when 6 months ago, DBPreacher could have? If he did, feel free to point out the post, I would be interested in reading it. None of us is as dumb as all of us...
solbright altaltalt	Posted - 2007.06.23 02:25:00 - [161] New players don't give a **** about the politics. They do, however, care when the game is unplayable, ie: The experience is jerky, locks up all the time, doesn't show them what is happening or why they died, or even fails to run at all. First thoughts are wonder if this game will be made into a commercial quality one. This is Eve's biggest barrier imho. The fact that anyone pays for Eve is testament to the tremendous functional design of the game.
Dred'Pirate Jesus Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.06.23 03:13:00 - [162] Originally by: Kirell Political metagaming bullshiat.. Originally by: David Hackworth ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.23 04:25:00 - [163] If the bad publicity doesnt kill it... If the appearance of a griefer's paradise doesnt kill it... If the forums seeming to be a troll haven doesnt kill it... If the politics doesnt kill it.... If CCP doesnt kill it... "The environment plays a big part but EVE is a "PvP" game." Oveur (Its not a MMORPG after all - I sent Oveur a email to update the main page)
Malarki Cheddar	Posted - 2007.06.23 04:44:00 - [164] Doomsaying alt. If only the rest of us could look into our magic balls.
Kern Hotha	Posted - 2007.06.23 04:51:00 - [165] It is not doomed, but the company needs to react better to real or unreal allegations of corruption. The fact that t20 is still employed by CCP is astounding all these months later. The ridiculous ***fest that the Something Awful moron brigade caused recently was handled pretty poorly too. --- Be true to your work, your word, and your friend.* Henry David Thoreau
Broska coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.23 04:58:00 - [166] I think the majority of the EVE community's possition on this is: If you don't like EVE. **** OFF! oh and can I have your stuff? ------------------------------ Originally by:* Tovarishch flying a Scorp into a fleet battle is like parking a pink moped in front of a biker bar - you will die... quickly.
BhallSpawn	Posted - 2007.06.23 06:56:00 - [167] "CCP didn't tarnish it's reputations. Several customers did. And yeah it's bad for business. But EVE isn't even close to going the AC way. So I wouldn't worry about it." Going a month without a word from the company your paying about stuff that should have been front page the first day. Yea.. I'm pretty sure CCP had something to do with its reputation going to hell.
Jenny Spitfire Caldari Requiem of Hades	Posted - 2007.06.23 08:05:00 - [168] Blasphemia! Other MMOs all die because they have too many shards. When business is good, they have more shards. When business is bad, they have less shards. Less shards make community feels empty and the community dies when they downsize their shards. eVe will never die because there is no sharding. The community is always there. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Kali is for KArebearLIng. I 100% agree with Avon. Female EVE gamers? Mail Zajo or visit WGOE.Public in-game.
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.23 08:07:00 - [169] Originally by: Kern Hotha It is not doomed, but the company needs to react better to real or unreal allegations of corruption. The fact that t20 is still employed by CCP is astounding all these months later. The ridiculous ****fest that the Something Awful moron brigade caused recently was handled pretty poorly too. IIRC, the issue with t20 is that he'd already been disciplined when the scandal broke, and Icelandic law prevented any further action being taken against him. CCP admitted that this was due to poor prodecure on their part.
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.23 09:51:00 - [170] Sadly this is a doomsaying main kthx "The environment plays a big part but EVE is a "PvP" game." Oveur (Its not a MMORPG after all - I sent Oveur a email to update the main page)
Onchas Erivvia Black Eclipse Corp	Posted - 2007.06.23 10:51:00 - [171] Originally by: Hamfast Why did it take Onchas Erivvia to reveal this information, when 6 months ago, DBPreacher could have? If he did, feel free to point out the post, I would be interested in reading it. Ah, yes, because my entire post was just one line, right? How about you handle the criticisms of your post that I actually made. That one line was a side-issue to a broader criticism of your fabrication and construction of a story using unsubstantiated claims and baseless assumptions. Yet, suddenly it's my responsibility to dig back through and pull out quotes? Dude, you've done absolutely nothing to substantiate any of the dozens of dubious claims you've made, and suddenly everyone else is responsible for proving their counter-arguments? You're either a troll or stupid, neither should be dignified with a response. If you take the time to provide the evidence you need to support your claim, I'll go pull the posts for you. ------------------------------------------ "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead!"' Teh Onchinator' Personal Assistant to MrsPitman
Rashmika Clavain Gallente Revelation Space	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:37:00 - [172] Originally by: Kirell Today I tried (as many days before) to convince a few friends to try EVE online, to give it a shot with the free 14 day trial. Figured why not show others what a great game this is. Their response to this query of mine, " EVE online has been corrupted by it's own developers, We had read on the internet that the people who run EVE were cheating in thier own game" Hmmm well I find that odd... I very much doubt any of my friends would launch into "I'm not playing EVE online or even going to try it because the Dev's are corrupt". Unless I had taken my tin foil hat off... that's when they get you
R3dSh1ft Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.23 11:48:00 - [173] all publicity is good publicity _________________________________________________________ DKOD - an awesome synchronised killing machine
Fwaatcha Caldari Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.06.23 13:31:00 - [174] OMG Asherons call!!!! I had a screenshot of killing "Blood" on DT with my level 72 battlemage ....Years ago but still a top notch memory.
SiJira	Posted - 2007.06.23 21:41:00 - [175] did you know that wow is slowly dying ? ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some
trikish	Posted - 2007.06.23 22:22:00 - [176] actually he is right... they have lost a hell lot of players on that, both old and new comming. if they just said known ccp employees charecters will be removed and are not allowed to have ingame charecters since this is costing too much for eve... this would actually help eve... well nvm ccp don't care for any one BUT bob (themself)
tommit	Posted - 2007.06.23 22:24:00 - [177] Originally by: E Vile "Depending on the severity it's grounds for instant termination of their contract/job. What boundaries do you expect? Execution?" YES! OFF WITH THEIR HEADS!! you didnt follow the incident i can hear... they havent fired the responsible people.
maccrat	Posted - 2007.06.23 22:37:00 - [178] never played asherons call but eve has a very long life span yet i wouldent worry
Tetsujin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.24 00:28:00 - [179] Originally by: Dark Shikari Hi goon! Dark Shikari I am sorry to tell you but goons don't type very well-constructed sentences let alone paragraphs let alone multiple paragraphs in the same post!
Admiral Seafort DarkStar 1	Posted - 2007.06.24 01:30:00 - [180] Kirell your point (or lack thereof) kind of sucks. Circumstantial evidence and conjecture are not very compelling. ----- It is well that war is so terrible. We should grow too fond of it.

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