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Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.07.03 13:44:00 - [91] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Kenneys Yep caldari is a waste of time for most cases if you pvp. The main problem is that shield tanking takes mid slots. Mid slots = all the nifty pvp modules. Then dont shieldtank. Is that so hard lol? o rly? i really would love if you come in your ARMOR tanked Drake vs. my REgularly fitted Myrmidon, armor tanked caracal vs. my REGULARLY fit Rupture and your Armor tanked Raven vs a regularly fitted Domi. thank you now shut up.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.07.03 13:48:00 - [92] Originally by: Danlex Edited by: Danlex on 03/07/2007 07:00:37 To the OP I'm minmatar. I have to invest millions of sp into gunnery, missiles, drones, shield tanking and armour tanking. Most of our ships have split weapon systems (or split bonus, although there are some very good solo gunnery boats). I've been playing this game for a while now and I just realised I have a whopping 800k in missiles. So now I'm working on that. The caldari have PvE on easy mode, are good gang ships and half decent ewar (minmatar have webbing and target painting, wooo). So stop whining. On your first point, yes you do need to train a lot and yes you can show for it afterwards. On your second point we ARE talking about PvP not PvE so you just get better at reading..
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.07.03 13:50:00 - [93] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Incantare In practice: the target is tackled, the raven fires its torpedoes from 100 km away. The target goes to a pub, has a couple pints, then goes for a walk only to come back, kill the tackler and warp off leaving the torpedoes harmlessly gliding in space. Missile Velocity Rigs. Cruise missiles going 12km/s I am glad you enjoy sitting at 100km's all the time and firing at targets you cannot see, while surrounded by 50 of your gangmates, when your DPS is really not relevant. What is your point? Torpedoes going ~ 5km/s (not sure on this one)
Mardenkainen	Posted - 2007.07.03 13:52:00 - [94] Originally by: wictro Edited by: wictro on 30/06/2007 14:25:15 Edited by: wictro on 30/06/2007 14:18:49 Okies, I have trained my missile skills for 3.95MIL SP, and I'm slowly beginning to realize that it was a bad idea. I hate all kind of PvE "action"(is there such), and im no fan of fleet/gang warfare. I've trained BattleCruisers up to LVL 5, and i can't find a ship class to train anymore. The raven adds little to nothing compared to drake. The Cerberus adds little to nothing compared to drake. Assault ships are even worse than Cerberus. Ceptors and Dictors, well, no drones < Ceptors and Dictors with drones. Command ships? What in earth would i use them for? Recons? Same thing. That leaves Carriers ( I have about 200.000SP in drones, woot :P), motherships, barges, industrial and some others, that ain't a viable option either. I have had the BattleCruiser skill since i dont know when, after that i trained cov-ops, and now im in a dead end. I feel like i have wasted 7 months to train completely useless skills, and now i would have to train about the same duration for Gunnery and drones. Plus Gallente/Amarr ships. Where to go from here? We need more ship classes. Making all the Caldari ships PvE is a bore, and should be mentioned when creating characters/log on ;D I guess i'll cross my fingers and wait for a new ship/class, even tough it propably will take a very long time. Stupid, useless, shield tanking, no ganking caldari. If your not a carebear, do not even look at caldari ships! over and out, -wictro only u choose what u do pve or pvp:) i saw drake with mwd+2xweb+scrambelr...who killed vagabond 1x1
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.07.03 13:53:00 - [95] Originally by: J Valkor Missile skills have several awesome things about them that only really become obvious once you start regularly pvping with them and those quirks start to get you free kills. I wuv my Nighthawk too much to train anything else. Even though I'm painfully close to being an awesome leader with my Vulture. Really? ooo command ships, I am glad you can use them.. solo? lol :P Thank you for the lesson that you can have some sense of good damage and tank while surrounded by your gang and you're in a command ship.. that is really how all people use Caldari ships or are caught in PvP Scenarios..
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.07.03 13:56:00 - [96] Originally by: Dimmizer If you can dude keep training your missiles skills and get them up they will keep doing damage.. use webbers and jams so they cant run and if u can use senor dampener drones as they work ALOT better then ECM drones and yeah they dont lock the target down but they reduce his maximum target range by alot so if hes 40km out and you don't want him attacking you use senor damps and trust me he will be ****ed casue then he has to come closer to you. I use Drake's for PVP here is my setup depending upon what your fighting and yes i do this solo too. ~~Heavy~~ 7x Heavy Launchers 1x Medium NOS or 1x Medium maby a large smartbomb ~~Medium~~ 1x t2 shield recharger 3x t2 shield exstenders 1x t2 invulnerability field ~~Small~~ 4x t2 shield power relays 1x t2 bcs (Ballistics Control System) ~~Drones~~ 4x Medium Senor Dampener Drones (use t2 if you can) or ~~Heavy~~ 7x Heavy Launchers 1x Medium NOS or 1x Medium maby a Large smart bomb ~~Medium~~ 3x t2 shield exstenders 1x Warp Disruptor (Jamming Range 20km) 1x Fleet Webber (90% decrease in maximum speed) ~~Small~~ 5x t2 shield power relays ~~Drones~~ 4x Medium Senor Dampener Drones (use t2 if you can) These setup arnt the best and could use a bit more perfecting but I am still working with them. The setup mainly works well agisnt 1v1 battles with other battleships/cruisers but can also be used to fight multiple cruisers even maby 2 battle cruisers if done correctly. Dimmizer, apparently you have never seen a person melt those 40km you quoted in about 15sec. where you can hope you can align for warp in your brick of a caldari ship.. cause once they're in range.. that's it for you..
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:00:00 - [97] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Complain too much. Caldari have great recons, that can disable most enemies as easily as an arazu can. Caldari have a good sniper, and a great EWAR battleship. in amy group of more than 2 players there is no better BS to be there. Crow... nothing else to speak about it. Caracal and relatives. Put assault Missile alunchers and you have an incredble frig powning ship. Ceptors without snakes cry when they find one of those. Ravens.. ask Burn eden... if you are too stcuk inside teh box to think how to use this wonderfull ship.... You can start by 2 Sensor boosters and 3 dampeners... teh rest you realize yourself. get a clue.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:02:00 - [98] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: d026 If you want to be able to fit a full rack of TII Sieges + a aceptable TII tank you need at least 2 x Co-Processor II (or probably a faction). This is with WU V. If you want to fit something useful in your 2 remaining higslots you even need a ancy router on top of this (AWU V). Originally by: Incantare Three rigs costs the 6 Seige II raven 60 CPU in increased fitting reqs. I can't tell you my setup unfortunatly but i can assure you it isn't really standard, and that it has plenty CPU without fitting mods. I bet it is NOT standard, I also bet you rely HEAVILY on a sizeable gang to stay alive.. thank you for your advice.
SFShootme The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:04:00 - [99] Edited by: SFShootme on 03/07/2007 14:03:08 Originally by: Black Scorpio Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: d026 If you want to be able to fit a full rack of TII Sieges + a aceptable TII tank you need at least 2 x Co-Processor II (or probably a faction). This is with WU V. If you want to fit something useful in your 2 remaining higslots you even need a ancy router on top of this (AWU V). Originally by: Incantare Three rigs costs the 6 Seige II raven 60 CPU in increased fitting reqs. I can't tell you my setup unfortunatly but i can assure you it isn't really standard, and that it has plenty CPU without fitting mods. I bet it is NOT standard, I also bet you rely HEAVILY on a sizeable gang to stay alive.. thank you for your advice. do you realize that u just posted 4 times without anybody saying a word? I think there is a edit button for a reason. - Tho shall give Life, for Life.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:05:00 - [100] Originally by: Incantare Black Scorpio: take a deep breath, relax and ... train Gallente. Because to quote Welsh Wizard, acceptance is easier than argument, and you will always run into people claiming that Caldari are perfectly fine. Incantare, I have actually just for fun, JUUUUST for fun outfitted a thorax or two, and guess what with my SUCK skills took a few BC, a few other cruisers and a few AFs.. hey ho.. that is with SUCK read relevant skills to 3-4 or missing skills. Can't imagine what is with all maxed out.. now i can't also imagine what is with a Deimos.. now i can't imagine.. .oh wait i woke up and I'm in a mission fitted Caldari ship again.. oh yeah.. here i come Zazzmatazz..
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:07:00 - [101] Originally by: Incantare Edited by: Incantare on 03/07/2007 13:43:37 Read the top line, ships flown. That's in PvP, stats from a killboard. ahahah, PVP yeah? lol, ok maaann, get your Uber Ferox (listed second) I'll just get an average Myrmidon or minnie BC and make fun of you while you're on structure and I'm still at 80% Armor..
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:07:00 - [102] Originally by: Incantare Edited by: Incantare on 03/07/2007 13:43:37 Read the top line, ships flown. That's in PvP, stats from a killboard. oh wait, i actually think there's mistake, that shouldn't be ships flown i think it's ships killed..
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:08:00 - [103] Originally by: Mardenkainen Originally by: wictro Edited by: wictro on 30/06/2007 14:25:15 Edited by: wictro on 30/06/2007 14:18:49 Okies, I have trained my missile skills for 3.95MIL SP, and I'm slowly beginning to realize that it was a bad idea. I hate all kind of PvE "action"(is there such), and im no fan of fleet/gang warfare. I've trained BattleCruisers up to LVL 5, and i can't find a ship class to train anymore. The raven adds little to nothing compared to drake. The Cerberus adds little to nothing compared to drake. Assault ships are even worse than Cerberus. Ceptors and Dictors, well, no drones < Ceptors and Dictors with drones. Command ships? What in earth would i use them for? Recons? Same thing. That leaves Carriers ( I have about 200.000SP in drones, woot :P), motherships, barges, industrial and some others, that ain't a viable option either. I have had the BattleCruiser skill since i dont know when, after that i trained cov-ops, and now im in a dead end. I feel like i have wasted 7 months to train completely useless skills, and now i would have to train about the same duration for Gunnery and drones. Plus Gallente/Amarr ships. Where to go from here? We need more ship classes. Making all the Caldari ships PvE is a bore, and should be mentioned when creating characters/log on ;D I guess i'll cross my fingers and wait for a new ship/class, even tough it propably will take a very long time. Stupid, useless, shield tanking, no ganking caldari. If your not a carebear, do not even look at caldari ships! over and out, -wictro only u choose what u do pve or pvp:) i saw drake with mwd+2xweb+scrambelr...who killed vagabond 1x1 specific fit to counter another ship is such a limited scenario that i get a headache..
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:09:00 - [104] Originally by: SFShootme Edited by: SFShootme on 03/07/2007 14:03:08 Originally by: Black Scorpio Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: d026 If you want to be able to fit a full rack of TII Sieges + a aceptable TII tank you need at least 2 x Co-Processor II (or probably a faction). This is with WU V. If you want to fit something useful in your 2 remaining higslots you even need a ancy router on top of this (AWU V). Originally by: Incantare Three rigs costs the 6 Seige II raven 60 CPU in increased fitting reqs. I can't tell you my setup unfortunatly but i can assure you it isn't really standard, and that it has plenty CPU without fitting mods. I bet it is NOT standard, I also bet you rely HEAVILY on a sizeable gang to stay alive.. thank you for your advice. do you realize that u just posted 4 times without anybody saying a word? I think there is a edit button for a reason. - Do you realize that i am replying to posts as i read through the pages?
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:16:00 - [105] Black Scorpio, if you met a properly fitted Drake/Raven/Rokh, the chances are that you'd never even lock it. Jump into a Burn Eden camp to learn more.
Incantare Caldari Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:17:00 - [106] Originally by: Black Scorpio ahahah, PVP yeah? lol, ok maaann, get your Uber Ferox (listed second) I'll just get an average Myrmidon or minnie BC and make fun of you while you're on structure and I'm still at 80% Armor.. Nah you misunderstood, that was SFShootme's stats, the ships he flies. Nothing to do with me or the general eve population.
SFShootme The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:18:00 - [107] Edited by: SFShootme on 03/07/2007 14:17:19 Originally by: Black Scorpio Originally by: Incantare Edited by: Incantare on 03/07/2007 13:43:37 Read the top line, ships flown. That's in PvP, stats from a killboard. ahahah, PVP yeah? lol, ok maaann, get your Uber Ferox (listed second) I'll just get an average Myrmidon or minnie BC and make fun of you while you're on structure and I'm still at 80% Armor.. convo me ingame please. Oh wait... ur an alt - Tho shall give Life, for Life.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:19:00 - [108] Originally by: Incantare Originally by: Black Scorpio ahahah, PVP yeah? lol, ok maaann, get your Uber Ferox (listed second) I'll just get an average Myrmidon or minnie BC and make fun of you while you're on structure and I'm still at 80% Armor.. Nah you misunderstood, that was SFShootme's stats, the ships he flies. Nothing to do with me or the general eve population. What do I or anyone else cares what a single pilot flies and how does that relate to PvP in any case? I'm glad i misunderstood, it actually made his post more relevant than what it is if what you're saying is true.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:21:00 - [109] Originally by: SFShootme Edited by: SFShootme on 03/07/2007 14:17:19 Originally by: Black Scorpio Originally by: Incantare Edited by: Incantare on 03/07/2007 13:43:37 Read the top line, ships flown. That's in PvP, stats from a killboard. ahahah, PVP yeah? lol, ok maaann, get your Uber Ferox (listed second) I'll just get an average Myrmidon or minnie BC and make fun of you while you're on structure and I'm still at 80% Armor.. convo me ingame please. Oh wait... ur an alt - oh wait if you bother to check my info in game you'd see that i post with my main.. oh wait you just like to spit memorized cliche responses.. you convo me in game if you have something relevant to say...
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:21:00 - [110] Originally by: Black Scorpio I bet it is NOT standard, I also bet you rely HEAVILY on a sizeable gang to stay alive.. thank you for your advice. Whats your definition of 'sizable' ?
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:24:00 - [111] Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Black Scorpio I bet it is NOT standard, I also bet you rely HEAVILY on a sizeable gang to stay alive.. thank you for your advice. Whats your definition of 'sizable' ? enough to keep you alive while you experiment with non-standard fittings..
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.03 14:25:00 - [112] Edited by: Sokratesz on 03/07/2007 14:25:43 Originally by: Black Scorpio Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Black Scorpio I bet it is NOT standard, I also bet you rely HEAVILY on a sizeable gang to stay alive.. thank you for your advice. Whats your definition of 'sizable' ? enough to keep you alive while you experiment with non-standard fittings.. Start making sense or stfu, please. This whole 'ill try to look smart by not defining any numbers that can be used against me' is silly. How about a 7 man gang? That 'sizable' when it takes on a force of 10 and kills them? It's not really 'experimenting' either, i know many a player who can tell you how and why its good.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.07.03 15:20:00 - [113] Originally by: Sokratesz Edited by: Sokratesz on 03/07/2007 14:25:43 Originally by: Black Scorpio Originally by: Sokratesz Originally by: Black Scorpio I bet it is NOT standard, I also bet you rely HEAVILY on a sizeable gang to stay alive.. thank you for your advice. Whats your definition of 'sizable' ? enough to keep you alive while you experiment with non-standard fittings.. Start making sense or stfu, please. This whole 'ill try to look smart by not defining any numbers that can be used against me' is silly. How about a 7 man gang? That 'sizable' when it takes on a force of 10 and kills them? It's not really 'experimenting' either, i know many a player who can tell you how and why its good. The bottom line is Sokratez that let alone your gang, regardless of their numbers 2-3-7-15, you would die if you are missing your support. That is what the main topic of this post is. The fact that your non-standard fitting on a caldari ship finds application in your gang scenario doesn't mean that the thousand encounters of regularly fitted caldari ships meet their end at similar class other races craft. By the same token a non-standard Gallente or Minnie ship can also find the same application your caldari ship finds in your gang. The problem is they can also find application in their regular, standard and intended if you will fitting that mathches their ship bonuses and can stand their own without the need to be deemed PvE or support ships as Caldari ships do. I though you were a smarter person that did not need the above clarification. I hope though that it was enogh to make my point and strenghten that of the op. Forgive me but the ROF/Tracking/Damage bonus on a Deimos + 50 drone space = 5xT2 med drones seems far more viable than the x2 10% range and 5%dmg bonus with NO drone space on an Eagle.. any way you mold it... i'd choose the Deimos any day.. just another example.. i can list a few other ones if you really require it.
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.03 15:23:00 - [114] I never claimed it was a solo ship. It's also an MMORPG. Look up what the second 'M' stands for.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.07.03 15:26:00 - [115] Originally by: Sokratesz I never claimed it was a solo ship. It's also an MMORPG. Look up what the second 'M' stands for. Now who's trying to look smart by quoting me the meaning of MMORPG. I know the meaning of it. You are trying to escape the topic of this post and namely they suckiness of Caldari ships at PvP when they are not suport or in numbers. MMORPG is for all races, however i don't hink Gallente pilots or minmatar can complain of lack of solo encounters option if they opt to, Caldari pilots do however complain and imo with a reason. In a gang battle your Long ranged Caldari craft (or non-standard setup) is no more valuable than the damage dealing tackler. The problem is that this tackler is also very viable in 1v1 while your ship is not.
wictro	Posted - 2007.07.03 15:32:00 - [116] I'm pleased to see this much conversation about the subject. Training to minmatar would be an option for me, maybe. But what about the whole caldari race? Are the all doomed being sidekicks and carebears trough their whole life? :D I allready put railguns on train list. Hybrids have still to learn two weapon systems to master what they shoot with, and that takes twice the time, and hardly brings twice the joy? I hope im not coming out as "nerf/boost this and that", i only find it depressing that a whole race's destiny is set, and theres only that much ships to fly currently. If someone want's to do some roaming in amamake area, give me a holla ingame, and ill check if your online when i feel bloodthirsty. I can tackle, ram, do some DPS, or "cov-ops their "bummy"", but for gods sake, i need a kill :DD
PWNERIZE	Posted - 2007.07.03 15:46:00 - [117] Edited by: PWNERIZE on 03/07/2007 15:46:37 There is nothing wrong with Caldari. Learn to play noobs. You have the second best e-war in the game, and the only e-war battleship. You think Caldari is at a disadvantage but look at Amarr and STFU. Sure you can't solo but put Caldari ships in a gang and they are some of the best ships out there. PUKES Post contains a heavy dose of sarcasm.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.07.03 15:48:00 - [118] Originally by: PWNERIZE There is nothing wrong with Caldari. Learn to play noobs. You have the second best e-war in the game, and the only e-war battleship. You think Caldari is at a disadvantage but look at Amarr and STFU. Sure you can't solo but put Caldari ships in a gang and they are some of the best ships out there. PUKES Another kid with ADD.
PWNERIZE	Posted - 2007.07.03 15:49:00 - [119] Yeah, sure... And I even edited my post before you posted. Read again.
Black Scorpio	Posted - 2007.07.03 15:52:00 - [120] Originally by: PWNERIZE Yeah, sure... And I even edited my post before you posted. Read again. I didn't need your edit to see through your post, it still looks like written by a kid with an ADD. Unless you don't want to be taken as one, don't post your blurp in the matter that you did. + I take you don't even fly Caldari ships by the "you have... " in your post. don't see why you post when you have no experience with certain race's ships...

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