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wictro	Posted - 2007.06.30 14:16:00 - [1] Edited by: wictro on 30/06/2007 14:25:15 Edited by: wictro on 30/06/2007 14:18:49 Okies, I have trained my missile skills for 3.95MIL SP, and I'm slowly beginning to realize that it was a bad idea. I hate all kind of PvE "action"(is there such), and im no fan of fleet/gang warfare. I've trained BattleCruisers up to LVL 5, and i can't find a ship class to train anymore. The raven adds little to nothing compared to drake. The Cerberus adds little to nothing compared to drake. Assault ships are even worse than Cerberus. Ceptors and Dictors, well, no drones < Ceptors and Dictors with drones. Command ships? What in earth would i use them for? Recons? Same thing. That leaves Carriers ( I have about 200.000SP in drones, woot :P), motherships, barges, industrial and some others, that ain't a viable option either. I have had the BattleCruiser skill since i dont know when, after that i trained cov-ops, and now im in a dead end. I feel like i have wasted 7 months to train completely useless skills, and now i would have to train about the same duration for Gunnery and drones. Plus Gallente/Amarr ships. Where to go from here? We need more ship classes. Making all the Caldari ships PvE is a bore, and should be mentioned when creating characters/log on ;D I guess i'll cross my fingers and wait for a new ship/class, even tough it propably will take a very long time. Stupid, useless, shield tanking, no ganking caldari. If your not a carebear, do not even look at caldari ships! over and out, -wictro
xHalcyonx Amarr EmpiresMod Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.06.30 14:21:00 - [2] Caldari are gang ships for PvP, as are most shield tankers. Get used to the idea.
LMAAAOOOO	Posted - 2007.06.30 14:21:00 - [3] Join the club, I switched to Gallente, and never looked back. ______________________________________________ some guy telling a noob that pirates doesnt check their age before attacking "ooh! an age quip! very clever,I'm probably older than you darling! xx
Serric Caldari The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.30 14:21:00 - [4] Being Caldari in a PvP situation is NOT the end of the world, as long as you are not flying solo. In a gang or fleet, caldari ships can serve very well in many different capacities. Dedicated EW boats, arguably the best interceptor available, nasty tanks (if done right, check the forums), and one of the best sniping battleships in the game. If you want to be a solo PvP specialist then yes you need to fly Gal or Min.. but if you are part of a gang or fleet you will definitely contribute and carry your own weight if you understand your role and do it well. Take a look around at some of the elite corporation's kill boards. You will see many pilots having a successful PvP career as missile spammers.
LMAAAOOOO	Posted - 2007.06.30 14:23:00 - [5] Originally by: xHalcyonx Caldari are gang ships for PvP, as are most shield tankers. Get used to the idea.[/quote TBH I'd say Gallente are better gang wise aswell, in some cases atleast, only advantage I see is that caldari gets more mid slots for Eward, I'd rather see a 950 dps Myrm in my gang rather than a 250 dps Drake. Or a 1.6k dps Hyperion rather than a 600 dps Raven. ______________________________________________ some guy telling a noob that pirates doesnt check their age before attacking "ooh! an age quip! very clever,I'm probably older than you darling! xx
wictro	Posted - 2007.06.30 14:28:00 - [6] Edited by: wictro on 30/06/2007 14:29:26 Edited by: wictro on 30/06/2007 14:29:09 Edited by: wictro on 30/06/2007 14:28:40 yep, blackbird has been nerfed to point of being useless, and its the EW ship of caldari, ok, its not the _only_ EW ship, but... and whats with them drones? You get the same(or more) DPS, armor tank that leaves mid slots for gank. AND you get drones on top of that. fair game :)
Frecator Dementa Caldari	Posted - 2007.06.30 14:54:00 - [7] heck, a blackbird can still keep a BC jammed 80% of the time, I'd say it works fine ----------------------- forum ate my post again
Slick Flick	Posted - 2007.06.30 14:59:00 - [8] Yup same deal with me.... going on 6mil in missiles in a few days... I would pay 5billion isk to switch missiles to gunnery lol
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.30 15:10:00 - [9] Blackbird is pretty valuble, you just have to sacrifice all tank to be able to jam with it. using tech II jammers and the lowslot jamming enhancers you get about 80% of the prenerf jamming streangh.
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.06.30 15:11:00 - [10] Edited by: Atius Tirawa on 30/06/2007 15:11:29 Well, you are playing the game wrong then - because if a caldari played his/her strong points they have devastating ships. Missles have certain advantages over guns, but if you are talking about solo (such a thing still exists in this game?) the yes, caldari are awful, so are Amarr. If you follow your gang in a WT0 engadgment, then yes you are not using the best missles have to offer. There are a few other things I could mention. Basically: If you are trying to fly a Caldari ship like a Gallente one, warping in and being a close range ganker - then you should train Gallente, if you are trying to break 6k/s on your Caldari ship, then you should fly Minmatar - but if you want to kill fast ships with ease, and like to play fleet support both in terms of killing tactical targets (interceptors, Recons and such) then the Cerb will do it for you like no other ship. And EW was nurfed - but the falcon is still powerful and can turn the tide of a battle with some smart play. So think range, think tactically and be a good caldari pilot - or - train Minmatar like a lot of FOTM people, or Gallente which may be more your style of play. . .But is this a flaw with Caldari? No. Think about this in terms of the Drake to the Cerb - sure the drake is a brilliant ship - but the cerb can out range it. . .infact, the cerb ccan reach out very far and touch targets. . .yes there is missle lag - but its actually not that bad once the skills are there.
Lucas Goran	Posted - 2007.06.30 15:15:00 - [11] Seriously, there is too many of these threads. missiles suck for pvp! and the like. Yes they make solo work much less viable (generally cos of the shield tank that comes with missile boats, not the missiles..) But i have trained solely into missiles and very rarely pve. I certainly find that my investment has paid off. Do what caldari do best and get urself a tackler! After all we are playing a multiplayer game... oh, and everyone loves to jump a caldari ratting ship, no shortage of targets ps. on a final note, missiles work just as well at extreme ranges as they do up close, so a decent(if at all) tank is not so important, freeing up mids for ewar assisting gang
Gabriel Karade Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.30 15:23:00 - [12] Originally by: LMAAAOOOO Originally by: xHalcyonx Caldari are gang ships for PvP, as are most shield tankers. Get used to the idea. TBH I'd say Gallente are better gang wise aswell, in some cases atleast, only advantage I see is that caldari gets more mid slots for Eward, I'd rather see a 950 dps Myrm in my gang rather than a 250 dps Drake. Or a 1.6k dps Hyperion rather than a 600 dps Raven. There exists no such thing... ...plus that Raven hits out to 80km for full damage, the Hyperion with Ion II's for example, has a 5.6km optimal. ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
wictro	Posted - 2007.06.30 15:37:00 - [13] the 5.6 km optimal is no problem, as you need to scram/web those buggers anyway. As i said, im no fan of gang warfare(mostly because it takes ages to get the group together, just to notice the first ones are leaving allready. without a tackler, caldari is still utterly useless in piratin. And yes, i do know, "train gallente". That basically means all, and allmost all of my 10mil sp are kinda worthless, excluding basic ones, as learning and fitting skills. hurrah. a year(well 10 months atleast) down the drain.
wictro	Posted - 2007.06.30 15:40:00 - [14] and i still have no idea what to train next, if i'd stay caldari. Battlecruisers are allmost as good as battleships, and plenty cheaper. 80-90% of the "after BS" ships are fleet/gang warfare vessels. damn. give soloers some crumbs :D
Camilo Cienfuegos EP0CH	Posted - 2007.06.30 15:51:00 - [15] You've trained up battlecruisers 5, so your only real choice is to either a) move toward command ships or b) train other races. Given that you're so heavily focuesed (skill-wise) on missiles, I'd say move toward command ships. However your post intimates you're looking for something new and refreshing, in which case I'd recommend training Minmatar - unlike Gallente and Amarr, your missile skills are still useful for many of their ships. -- Don't take the carebears out of empire - take the empire out of carebears!
wictro	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:36:00 - [16] Edited by: wictro on 30/06/2007 16:39:57 ill check the minnies, thanks for the tip! EDIT: I looked trough them, and they were all 1/2 missile 1/2 gunnery. So no dice there. with max 3-4 launchers theres no chance to use missiles only. The search continues ^_^ as training a second race to BC-skills is no problem, and i would do it sooner or later, but add drone and gunnery skills and im back to zero.
Aegis Osiris Gallente Demonic Retribution Pure.	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:42:00 - [17] If you really just want to solo, about the only viable missle option would be a nanoCerb. Fast, good damage, decent tank, and speedfreak fun :) No, its not a vaga, but it'll do. Oh, and if you really think the Drake is pretty much the same as a Raven, then you've never fought BE :P ________________________________________________ This thread does not exist Sig in process....
wictro	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:49:00 - [18] hmm, i've seem to have missed the command ships, they seem as a viable option! Neato! whats a "BE" ? ("...never fought a BE")
Tony Benn Dawn of War	Posted - 2007.06.30 16:51:00 - [19] Burn Eden. They're about the only corporation in Eve who've put Ravens to an effective us for PVP. Notable for fitting RSD to the midslots and armour tanking.
Aegis Osiris Gallente Demonic Retribution Pure.	Posted - 2007.06.30 17:06:00 - [20] What Tony said :) I've mucked around with such fittings, and they can be a complete damned nuisance. Couple with T2 torps or cruise, and they can do decent damage and be a total PITA. ________________________________________________ This thread does not exist Sig in process....
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.30 17:23:00 - [21] What Tony said. Use those Caldari midslots for something useful. I.e., not shield tanking. I've been very impressed with my solo Drake setup lately.
5T1G	Posted - 2007.06.30 17:55:00 - [22] yawn Caldari missle boats have the most versatile weapons system which is why you lose raw dps. There is no law that says all those mids have to be filled with shield tanking mods, try ewar. Solo in this game is a joke anyway, you will either be ganking noobs or getting blobbed. Spending most of your time flying around aimlessly looking for someone else with a slight amount of skill that is solo. Caldari ships are just as good at this as gallente ships.
wictro	Posted - 2007.06.30 18:20:00 - [23] I've used armor reppers in kessies, with cap injector and web+scram in mids with some success. It has been victorious against cruisers and ceptors. It seems that eve is focusing more and more in fleet/alliance/POS warfare, and for me, thats bad news. I'll stick to missiles, and maybe, just maybe, someday it pays off :)
Dangerously Cheesey Anqara Expeditions The OSS	Posted - 2007.06.30 19:54:00 - [24] Edited by: Dangerously Cheesey on 30/06/2007 19:58:34 Train up your EW skills and use a rook with ECM optimal rigs to jam people from hilariously long ranges :) Im not sure what you mean by "Ceptors and Dictors, well, no drones < Ceptors and Dictors with drones." The only dictor with a drone bay is the eris and it has a tiny 5m3 bay. The only ceptor with a drone bay is the Taranis's 10m3 bay - the Crow is a fine interceptor and arguably one of the best (if not the best). As other people have mentioned, you have access to probably the best all around interceptor and the second best interdictor (the only one besides the sabre that isn't total crap - the flycatcher tears up frigs, has a solid slot layout/bonuses and is pretty cheap). Dont let the lack of a drone bay worry you. Rokhs a great sniper and there are several ECM boats that are still viable. Caldari pvp options are limited to a degree, but its not like theres nothing to fly.
DrElJefeMD Caldari Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2007.06.30 20:09:00 - [25] Google burn eden's killboard. Been on that receiving end. No - caldari ships are not worthless. Regards
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.06.30 20:17:00 - [26] Yeah, keep reminding yourselves that, caldari ships suck, caldari ships suck, caldari ships suck, eventually u will believe it (yes i am beeing sarcastic, LOL) CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Santa Anna Caldari Blackguard Brigade Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.30 21:42:00 - [27] Originally by: wictro Edited by: wictro on 30/06/2007 16:39:57 ill check the minnies, thanks for the tip! EDIT: I looked trough them, and they were all 1/2 missile 1/2 gunnery. So no dice there. with max 3-4 launchers theres no chance to use missiles only. The search continues ^_^ as training a second race to BC-skills is no problem, and i would do it sooner or later, but add drone and gunnery skills and im back to zero. You can still do pretty well in a typhoon using missiles and drones for damage if you fit it right. The problem with your query is your requirement to use only missiles. Few ships using only missiles are good solo because you have to be within scram range to solo, and as you get shorter and shorter range your opponent is better able to out-damage you. _____ Heat Warfare
Nimitz Alexander Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.30 21:59:00 - [28] ravens can own in heavy BS / cap fights, Had half a billion worth of kills this week in a ratting setup that got dragged into a fleet battle with a couple carriers killed. Straight PVE setups with a tank and nothing special got me in the top 5 on three carrier kills in a 80 man fleet...
Incantare Caldari Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.30 22:08:00 - [29] Originally by: DrElJefeMD Google burn eden's killboard. Been on that receiving end. No - caldari ships are not worthless. Regards I don't think anyone is saying Caldari ships are worthless but rather that they fall short when you look at the competition. BE's ability to make good use of the Raven in a particular situation isn't a good argument to the balance of the race as a whole. Look up multiple killboards and look at the number of kills by other races and then look at Caldari, that gives a better perspective.
zayanka	Posted - 2007.06.30 22:10:00 - [30] i dont agree with u.... try this ship : cerberus 5 hams or heavys 1 large dg shield booster, 1 em, 1 med injector, 1 em, 1 dg warp disruptor 2 bcu, 1 rcu t2, 1 pdu t2 (or t2 rcu for hams) 2 em rigs with this ship u can fly solo and get some kills, also nice for small gangs

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