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Balogh
Gallente Real-time EVE Stock Exchange
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Posted - 2007.12.15 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: Balogh on 15/12/2007 16:49:38
Originally by: Blue Wraith 12-hr time format now used
The 12 hour time format is a horrible format, in my opinion.
Could you please make this a configurable option? Or at the very least, use the system setting?
Originally by: Blue Wraith Next on the features roster is actual skill finish notification, via an audible message and/or email.
It might save you a lot of work if you use Growl for that. You provide events to Growl and the user configures the kind of notification he likes. Take a look at the Delivery Status widget for a working implementation of that. ________________ Real-time EVE Stock Exchange, Blog Feature request: Share transfer log |
Blue Wraith
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Posted - 2007.12.15 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Balogh The 12 hour time format is a horrible format, in my opinion.
Could you please make this a configurable option? Or at the very least, use the system setting?
Eh, yeah I suppose I could do one of those. I'll add it to the TODO list.
I think I'll make it where you can click on the skill finish time to change formats, so no option on the back for it, since it's a minor feature. Unless the system setting is easier to get, and then I'll use that.
Originally by: Balogh
Originally by: Blue Wraith Next on the features roster is actual skill finish notification, via an audible message and/or email.
It might save you a lot of work if you use Growl for that. You provide events to Growl and the user configures the kind of notification he likes. Take a look at the Delivery Status widget for a working implementation of that.
I'm impressed that you made it all the way down to the end of that post.
Notifications will not take a lot of coding the way I finally decided to implement them (with help from a fellow Eve pilot). I'll basically put the widget timer in silent mode when you close Dashboard. It will fire as infrequently as possible and not update any UI components. The sound will be played simply by inserting an embed object. The email will be sent out simply by using the command-line mail command. (I still need to test this to be sure... but I use the mail command in *nix system admin for this same thing.)
I have considered Growl and at some point may provide support for it. The main problem with I have with Growl being the only notification system is that some users may not already use it (I don't currently, though some of the apps I use support it). If they don't already use it, then I'm putting them in the situation where they will have to download a full app to take advantage of a feature in a widget. That seems backwards to me.
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Davan Sarn
Gallente Sarn Smuggling Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.17 18:00:00 -
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Blue Wraith already knows this, but I'm currently working on three theme sets for the EVE Skill Monitor:
Aura This design is based around the actual EVE in-game interface, available in eight colors, similar to the default Glass theme. Black Blue Red Purple Orange Green Gold Brown
Empires This design is based around the 5 major empires in EVE, it will include images representing each Empire, as well as their logos. Amarr Minmatar Gallente Caldari Jove
Trinity This design is based around the new graphics content, and will feature screenshots of the new ship models and the new logo, 5 color schemes in all. Arbitrator Tempest Megathron Merlin Black (generic)
If anyone has any ideas for other themes that they'd like to see, let me know.
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Blue Wraith
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Posted - 2007.12.20 00:05:00 -
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Just put up 2.2.0.
Additions Audible and Visual notification: Within 1 minute of your skill completing, Dashboard opens (in case you aren't around to hear the sound), and the "Skill Training Completed" Eve sound plays.
Fixes Fixed a bug that showed the wrong background when changing themes a certain way. Fixed a logic error in the update process that would cause it to hang in rare circumstances.
Theme Design Changes Moved the info button CSS definition into the theme CSS file so you can position it wherever you like. See Glass.css for an example.
Notes Davan's themes are almost ready. Expect them in the next release or the one after (if I'm quick). Will be working on optional email notification. As always, let me know if there's a bug I didn't catch.
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BondJamesBond
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Posted - 2007.12.20 19:24:00 -
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Wow, great app. Thanks for this!! |
Blue Wraith
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Posted - 2007.12.20 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: BondJamesBond Wow, great app. Thanks for this!!
You're welcome. Glad you like it. :)
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Ryushe
M. Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.12.20 22:39:00 -
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Edited by: Ryushe on 20/12/2007 22:40:39 I did a skin for a pre-API version of an OSX widget based skill checker, which was posted on the forums somwhere in the beginning of 2006 afaik. Here's a screenie. If you like it, let me know and I'll send you the whole package for you to look at (includes the code + base files used for it in Illustrator and PS). It featured a front and back skin actually, but I suppose you can strip the back part out :)
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Blue Wraith
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Posted - 2007.12.20 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ryushe Edited by: Ryushe on 20/12/2007 22:40:39 I did a skin for a pre-API version of an OSX widget based skill checker, which was posted on the forums somwhere in the beginning of 2006 afaik. Here's a screenie. If you like it, let me know and I'll send you the whole package for you to look at (includes the code + base files used for it in Illustrator and PS). It featured a front and back skin actually, but I suppose you can strip the back part out :)
Oh cool. Had I known there was another skill monitoring widget, I may have never created ESM. I started ESM because I needed a skill monitor. It was just before the API came out, and I later rewrote it for the API.
I'd like to get your skin into ESM. The backgrounds from your skin would probably need to be resized to make it easier to integrate into ESM. If you feel like packaging that up into an ESM theme, I'll be happy to add it to the theme list.
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Tyranis Bolke
Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.21 08:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tyranis Bolke on 21/12/2007 08:29:18 Really like the new audible warning. One thing though, if I'm playing, will the Dashboard still open? There's nothing worse then being in a mission/pvp fight and suddenly getting pulled out of the game. _______________________________________ Comfortably Numb |
SuperSarge
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.12.21 10:19:00 -
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maybe I don't get it, but Do I have to keep firefox up to use this? If not please tell me :/
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Blue Wraith
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Posted - 2007.12.21 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Tyranis Bolke Edited by: Tyranis Bolke on 21/12/2007 08:29:18 Really like the new audible warning. One thing though, if I'm playing, will the Dashboard still open? There's nothing worse then being in a mission/pvp fight and suddenly getting pulled out of the game.
After I released the new version, I got to thinking about that. I don't know how Dashboard will react. Let me know (preferably w/o yelling and screaming if possible) if something adverse happens to you.
If it's an issue, I can implement some command line stuff to check if Eve is running before opening Dashboard. I'll go ahead and add that to my TODO list.
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Blue Wraith
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Posted - 2007.12.21 17:08:00 -
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Originally by: SuperSarge maybe I don't get it, but Do I have to keep firefox up to use this? If not please tell me :/
No, you don't need Firefox at all. Just download it with your favorite browser (mine is Safari), double-click to unzip it, and double click on Eve Skill Monitor.wdgt to install it into the Mac OS X Dashboard.
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Blue Wraith
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Posted - 2007.12.28 20:20:00 -
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I did some limited testing, and it appears that ESM opening Dashboard will not cause you to exit Eve. Let me know if your experience is different.
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Arcon Telf
Gallente Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.12.28 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Wraith I did some limited testing, and it appears that ESM opening Dashboard will not cause you to exit Eve. Let me know if your experience is different.
Works like a charm for me. Thanks for your great work.
Although...it would be cool if the widget could check to see if Eve is running. If a skill completes while Eve is running, then there's no need for an audible notice from the Widget (because it happens in the client). If Eve is not currently running, then the "Skill Training Complete" sound is quite useful. Your thoughts?
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D Jed
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.12.28 23:27:00 -
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awesome thanks!!
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Kashmar Akichu
Caldari The Vorlon Empire Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2007.12.28 23:59:00 -
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Edited by: Kashmar Akichu on 29/12/2007 00:00:20 Is there a way to reset the stored data (UID and API key)? Lately I keep getting spammed with "Cached API key error" (that's another thing you should work on. ONE warning is ok, 50+ in a row after dismissing Dashboard for a few hours is REALLY annoying).
It all seems to have started after I regenerated my API-key, and now I can't get ESM to work. ------------------------------------- Bill Gates: What's that?!? Steve Jobs: It's an iHouse! Bill Gates: But there's no windows... Steve Jobs: EXACTLY! HAHAHAHA! |
Lasha Minanka
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Posted - 2007.12.30 17:53:00 -
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Hey there... im a mac user , very happy with your app. howver... it would be interesiting to konw how far youŠve gotten with plans in making the widget as close to EveMon as possible... i tried to download both this one and cocoa , but couldnt see the resemblance... ( i MIGHT very well be doing something wrong.. nt the BESt of user here... ) ..
What can we expect in near future regarding your apps?
( really waiting for something like evemon for Mac)
Lasha Minanka
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Blue Wraith
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Posted - 2007.12.31 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Arcon Telf Works like a charm for me. Thanks for your great work.
Although...it would be cool if the widget could check to see if Eve is running. If a skill completes while Eve is running, then there's no need for an audible notice from the Widget (because it happens in the client). If Eve is not currently running, then the "Skill Training Complete" sound is quite useful. Your thoughts?
I thought about this, but there is also the circumstance where you have one character training a skill, but you are using a different character on that account when the first character's skill finishes. I don't currently know of a way to tell which character you are logged into.
Perhaps that is too rare of a circumstance, but worst case is an extra skill finish alert, and it avoids me having to add code. :)
If most of you do not want the extra alert, I can change it.
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Blue Wraith
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Posted - 2007.12.31 17:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kashmar Akichu Is there a way to reset the stored data (UID and API key)? Lately I keep getting spammed with "Cached API key error" (that's another thing you should work on. ONE warning is ok, 50+ in a row after dismissing Dashboard for a few hours is REALLY annoying).
It all seems to have started after I regenerated my API-key, and now I can't get ESM to work.
After resetting your API Key, all you should have to do is put in the new information (new User Id and new API Key) on the back of the widget. If doing this does not work, then let me know so I can fix it.
If you really want to, you can nuke the preference file by deleting:
~/Library/Preferences/widget-com.cornerspeed.kasey.Eve Skill Monitor.plist
where '~' is your home directory. This will reset information on all ESM widgets.
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Blue Wraith
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Posted - 2007.12.31 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lasha Minanka Hey there... im a mac user , very happy with your app. howver... it would be interesiting to konw how far youŠve gotten with plans in making the widget as close to EveMon as possible... i tried to download both this one and cocoa , but couldnt see the resemblance... ( i MIGHT very well be doing something wrong.. nt the BESt of user here... ) ..
Glad you've liked the widget so far.
Skill Monitor Cocoa (SMC) is not my app. I link to it at the head of this thread because it is interesting and looked to be the closest thing to EveMon for a Mac currently available. I did submit a feature request for skill planning in SMC, and last I heard (months ago), Cel Halcyon was working on it. It is listed in Trac as follows:
Name: Skill Planning Functionality Priority: major Description: Get along to reproducing EVEMon's planning functionality somehow, someday.
Quote: What can we expect in near future regarding your apps?
( really waiting for something like evemon for Mac)
I currently have no plans to add EveMon functionality (skill planning, ore calcs, and a partridge in a pare tree) to the ESM widget. I believe that to be outside the scope of what a widget encompasses. In order to do that, a full-fledged application would probably need to be made. I am hopeful that SMC will be the application that accomplishes this.
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Ikeja Lightforge
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Posted - 2008.01.02 20:37:00 -
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Blue Wraith,
Do you have any contact with Cel Halcyon? Is it known whether SMC has been abandoned or not? From the website, it looks like the code hasn't been touched in 4 months or so.
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Blue Wraith
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Posted - 2008.01.03 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ikeja Lightforge Blue Wraith,
Do you have any contact with Cel Halcyon? Is it known whether SMC has been abandoned or not? From the website, it looks like the code hasn't been touched in 4 months or so.
No, I do not know Cel. I tested SMC and posted some bug reports, but that's about it. I don't know any more than you do about it.
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Kashmar Akichu
Caldari The Vorlon Empire Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.01.03 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: Blue Wraith After resetting your API Key, all you should have to do is put in the new information (new User Id and new API Key) on the back of the widget. If doing this does not work, then let me know so I can fix it.
If you really want to, you can nuke the preference file by deleting:
~/Library/Preferences/widget-com.cornerspeed.kasey.Eve Skill Monitor.plist
where '~' is your home directory. This will reset information on all ESM widgets.
That fixed it, thanks. :) Seems a few people have had this issue now (just read all the pages of this thread). I guess I should have opened the file first to see what info was in there.. Seems like the file was kinda locked because if I updated the API-key in ESM, pressed DONE and rebooted, my old info would be back in the fields. ------------------------------------- Bill Gates: What's that?!? Steve Jobs: It's an iHouse! Bill Gates: But there's no windows... Steve Jobs: EXACTLY! HAHAHAHA! |
Blue Wraith
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Posted - 2008.01.07 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Kashmar Akichu Seems like the file was kinda locked because if I updated the API-key in ESM, pressed DONE and rebooted, my old info would be back in the fields.
It should be saving the new API Key. Next time I'm in the code, I'll check this out.
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Micovoy Lavoye
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Posted - 2008.01.08 03:39:00 -
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That so great! I find it today after reading the MacWorld article. Best thing since sliced bread!
Thank you Blue Wraith
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SoleDeo Gloria
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Posted - 2008.01.08 17:26:00 -
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I think this is a wonderful widget as well. I am having one issue - my pic does not display - just the large !
is there something I need to configure on my end?
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Blue Wraith
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Posted - 2008.01.08 19:15:00 -
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Wow, that's cool that the widget got linked from MacWorld. :)
As far as the picture issue, that only means your picture has not yet been copied to the external Eve Image Server. It will take some time (hopefully less than a week) for it to get there and then you will be able to see it.
Glad you like the widget. :)
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Zojoten
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Posted - 2008.01.08 20:45:00 -
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you rock. thanks.
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mgdmp5
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Posted - 2008.01.08 21:12:00 -
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thank you i love this widget but how long is does it take to update to a new skill if u change your skill before it finishes? |
Blue Wraith
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Posted - 2008.01.08 22:27:00 -
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Edited by: Blue Wraith on 08/01/2008 22:28:02
Originally by: mgdmp5 thank you i love this widget but how long is does it take to update to a new skill if u change your skill before it finishes?
The simple answer to this question is: as soon as the data becomes available. It should be 15 mins to an hour at most.
Here's the whole answer:
As near as I can tell, there is a separate (external) game data server that the Eve website and API use that is only a copy of the actual game data. To avoid dragging down the gameplay from the database constantly copying itself to the external one, they only copy the data over to the external data server periodically; e.g. every 15 minutes or every hour or whatever.
This makes sense from a security perspective, although it's not as convenient as having up to the minute data.
Each time ESM fetches data from the Eve API, the API tells it when new data should be available. ESM waits until then to get data again. If it tried any more frequently, it would get the same cached data as before, regardless of what happened in game, so there's no use in updating more often.
Hope that answers your question. :)
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