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CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.07.05 12:34:00 - [1] We're considering to create a video tutorial for new players and we'd like to know what you think would be good to include in it. What we're aiming for is a video tutorial to complement a text and images tutorial/player guide, and we'd like to put things in there that can not be explained as well with just text and images. Meaning, what can we put in a video tutorial that cannot be explained just as well in a text and image tutorial/player guide? We'd like to hear opinions from people in different stages of their EVE existance, both new and veteran players. Please post approximately how long you've played EVE together with your opinion of what we should have in the video tutorial. Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 12:36:00 - [2] Edited by: midge Mo''yb on 05/07/2007 12:37:23 YOU CANT ATTACK OTHER PLAYERS IN HIGH SEC!! i died within 10 seconds of loading in the first time! :P i think it would be a good idea though whe ni did the tutorial a year or so ago i was still clueless on how to play.. didnt resub and 3 months later got bored of swg and gave it another go - never looked back since :)

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2007.07.05 12:39:00 - [3] Originally by: midge Mo'yb Edited by: midge Mo''yb on 05/07/2007 12:37:23 YOU CANT ATTACK OTHER PLAYERS IN HIGH SEC!! i died within 10 seconds of loading in the first time! :P i think it would be a good idea though whe ni did the tutorial a year or so ago i was still clueless on how to play.. didnt resub and 3 months later got bored of swg and gave it another go - never looked back since :) That's a perfect example of something that can easily be explained in a simple image and text guide though. We're looking for things that's hard to explain that way, things that only a video tutorial could explain well enough. Wrangler Community Manager EVE Online Contact Support - Contact Moderators - Report Bug - Submit News Leads - Knowledge Base Player Guide - Policies - Join ISD - Fan Submissions - DevFinder LiteÖ

Maceross	Posted - 2007.07.05 12:40:00 - [4] Ok Ive been playing on and off since launch, im my most recent incarnation Ive been playing for a couple of months. In my most honest opinion it would be very valuable to help new players know "what to do next" you get through the tutorials, you do some missions and get left there thinking, ok so what now? just give people some hints on what they can do or where to go, or what kind of corp to look for to give them that little helping hand out the door. This game has massive scope and its very very daunting to the new face when they get left on their own after the tutorial (hell I was when I came back after a couple of year break! and i knew roughly what to expect!).
midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 12:43:00 - [5] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: midge Mo'yb Edited by: midge Mo''yb on 05/07/2007 12:37:23 YOU CANT ATTACK OTHER PLAYERS IN HIGH SEC!! i died within 10 seconds of loading in the first time! :P i think it would be a good idea though whe ni did the tutorial a year or so ago i was still clueless on how to play.. didnt resub and 3 months later got bored of swg and gave it another go - never looked back since :) That's a perfect example of something that can easily be explained in a simple image and text guide though. We're looking for things that's hard to explain that way, things that only a video tutorial could explain well enough. true but would show the new peoples what happens :p the map is a dificult one to show in pictures it has so many buttons.. took me months to figure that thing out :)
midge Mo'yb Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 12:45:00 - [6] Originally by: Maceross Ok Ive been playing on and off since launch, im my most recent incarnation Ive been playing for a couple of months. In my most honest opinion it would be very valuable to help new players know "what to do next" you get through the tutorials, you do some missions and get left there thinking, ok so what now? just give people some hints on what they can do or where to go, or what kind of corp to look for to give them that little helping hand out the door. This game has massive scope and its very very daunting to the new face when they get left on their own after the tutorial (hell I was when I came back after a couple of year break! and i knew roughly what to expect!). yeah i had that too... finished the storyline missions i was instructed to do in the tutorial and didnt know what to do next
Barbaro55a Caldari Os Lobos Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.07.05 12:59:00 - [7] How to allign to a SG, stuff that's important for 0.0 / low sec corp / alliance warfare. Help to make the transition easier for the new players. oh, and how to change your overview to show only neut/ hostiles, and save the settings. And how to mine veld, it's far to hard! .......................................... We come in peace - My sig and your sig would make cute baby sigs.
bobil costruttore	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:00:00 - [8] Yep, the correct way to blat macro miners would be good, and that its never a good idea to petition it, just steal it at will. And trust everyone, everyone's honest
Lucy Light	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:07:00 - [9] Edited by: Lucy Light on 05/07/2007 13:07:31 you can't just have one video, but possibly a few divided by category? maybe also by difficulty? also it depends how far you want to go. do you want to a number of short one-action tutorials, or a slightly longer one that teaches also a few general tactics in different scenarios? I dont think it should be in game either, bu possibly on the eve site, maybe under eve downloads. i think a few alliances or people did already some of these and they are available on youtube or eve files here's a few ideas here and there ship > identyfing ship strenghts > switching ships > requiremets for fitting > what to fit where > what to fit where and why to a basic degree (ie armor repairer on a ship with armor repairer bonus) flying around > warping vs free flight > jumping, map, autopilot fight > how to to chose fittings > targeting and shooting > using drones launching, attack, return > tanking explained (speed, armor, shield) > electronic warfare (jamming, dampening, etc) mining > finding roids and types > mining fittings > mining vs hauling market > looking for things in the market > searching for things in the market > checking prices > selling things on the market skills > skill trees > training skills > buying skills scanning / exploring > scanning for ships vs exploring > fittings > using the right probes address book > managing friends > sending email > opening and dealing with convos > creating mailing, chat there are so many videos that could be made: from explaing the different functionalities of the left menu, to station facilities and how to use them Lucy, under the street Light - Everytime you shoot me, CCP kills a carebear. - Could somebody please think of the carebears?
tbyt Grumpy Old Men	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:09:00 - [10] I play Eve since 2004. New players should see in a tutorial the following things. And force it upon players. You can't start playing without watching it :-) and no skipping... Channels and Mail list - show where you can find them, what it is and what's it for - show how to create, add, remove channels Wallet - show where to find it - show how to use/configure Corporation - show where to find, what's in it and why use it Asset - show where, what, how and of course the search functionality Fit - Show how to fit a ship - show how to use the info on modules - show how to use the compare tool Missions - how and where players should accept mission - show where to look for quality, standings, etc.. .towards agents, npc corporations, factions - show them where LP store is. Mining - show what mods you need - show where to find asteroids Stealing - show them what it is and how it's done Concord - show how to get vaporized by Concord Market - explain the market - show to place buy/sell orders Building stuff - show what a BPO is and the differences T1 and T2 - show how to obtain (mention that Faction/Officer BPO are not seeded) - show how to research it ME and PE - show where to do this research - show how to copy and where Exploration - show them on the map how to find a site - show them how to enter one, analyze, codebreak, salvage, etc.. Contracts - show how make a contract - show how to see which ones are assigned to you Heat - show what and how POS - show how to anker a POS - show how to moon harvest - show how to build in space Invention - show what is needed to start inventing (materials, data cores, data interfaces, decryptors) - show what is needed, skills - show the result Just a few things Tbyt
Bhlur	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:10:00 - [11] I think for the complete beginner customising the overview is vital to doing almost anything (travelling, targetting, etc). I used to spend ages spinning around trying to locate the stargates in space because I didn't know they could be added to the overview. Plus there are a few ways to add something to the overview and some of the extra columns you can add are invaluable for combat. I know it can be explained with text and images but seeing it done makes a huge difference. The goonfleet tutorials on youtube made it all clear to me. Playing properly for about 2 months now
Rafiz	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:19:00 - [12] Definitely need to include how to use overview, I only started playing yesterday, on a friends recommendation, and I am clueless about how to use overview.
Rafiz	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:21:00 - [13] Perhaps also include advanced tutorials, such as building in space, later in the game
Rafiz	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:23:00 - [14] When a player has reached the stage that he/she would start to need something, include it in a tutorial that plays automatically, not play it at the start of the game, where he/she may forget by the stage it is neccessary
Soia Malani	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:32:00 - [15] I know its not exactly newbie material, but corporation manangement would be good. I have yet to actually understand corporation management and Im the one doing most of the research on it for our ceo.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:34:00 - [16] show them how to buy BPO's and manufacturer goods show them how to copy BPO's show them how to invented T2 BPO's ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Sinfull 1	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:35:00 - [17] Yes that would have been a grate thing to have when i started but thanks to my understanding son who helped me a Lot ( thanx mate ) i got along just . made a few mistakes . but some players helped me out and showed me the way . But most could not give a ****e and when i partyed with them thay killed me lol . Live and lern. -.- Payback was fun though another thing u should do is have Free killing alowed on Macro miners Grrrrr Kill them all i say . but a vid will rock Good 1 ccp
VinceNoir Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:38:00 - [18] Using the scanner, how not to get iced in low sec/0.0. Originally by: "Shanda Captison" Vince, you can't even spell ECM m8
Kharadran Sullath Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:45:00 - [19] Aye, a scanner vid would be good. It takes a long time for players to explain how it works and it can be rather difficult as well. ------ --Don't get saucy with me Bernaise!--
Toran Mordor	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:50:00 - [20] I would like to see the whole tutorial broken up into special agent missions that are narriated because listneing to Ora for over an hour makes on want to abandon the tutorial. I have had 3 people I wanted to get playing eve quit in thier trial because they couldnt stand the boring tutorial and didnt know how to play the game otherwise.... I saved one by being the alternate tutorial guide, but I cant keep that.
Lester Dean Gallente Vanguard Frontiers INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.05 13:50:00 - [21] Edited by: Lester Dean on 05/07/2007 13:50:35 Sorry ccp goons beat yah too it, and these vids will be hard to beat as they are very good already :p Goonfleet 101 http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=goonfleet+101&search= These arent things that can be said in a image intro, they are stuff like aligning, tackling 101, and many other useful action that need to be taught in such a way if not by a friend.
Fetischka	Posted - 2007.07.05 14:04:00 - [22] I've been in EVE now a better part of 2 weeks. Fascinating from start to present. I still find that some of the most entertaining parts of the world are continuing to learn and figure out the subtleties. I thought the players guide and video tutorial were fantastic. However, I've found most people dont have the tenacity I have to browse a manual quite so long before diving in. Different people learn different ways I suppose. To directly answer this aspect however... Quote: Meaning, what can we put in a video tutorial that cannot be explained just as well in a text and image tutorial/player guide? I would suggest concentrating on the more complex aspects (and stuff I still dont know after a few weeks). For example: - Fleets/Battles/PvP. What to expect, what they look like, how to set them up, different ship strategies. If you're a group of 10 noobs that are new to EVE the only way to currently learn this is within somebody elses established corp. - Manufacturing/Blueprints/Invention/MaterialResearch. This seems to be a common topic in rookie chat. I still lack the understanding of many concepts here. Thankfully others in my noob group have figure it out quite well and shared the knowledge. - Rigs. Not necessarily a needed video topic, but yet another common question in rookie chat. Its not immediately obvious what the upgrade hardpoints are for. - Trade. How can one be an effective trader? It's nearly an esoteric mystery. It takes several hours sitting down with the skillsets and forum reading to get just a beginners grip on how to use the trade skills effectively for this career route. - Building and Maintaining structures. Oh good grief it'll be months before I get to this point, but its such a delicious thing to look forward to. However, it'll be a bit daunting spending millions of ISK in a trial by fire way to make sure I've bought the right tools for my intentions. - Scanning. What DOES that button really do? Yes, I read the tutorial, but the jury is still out on its usefulness. I'm sure if I knew how to really use it, it would enrich my playing experience. In closing I would recommend that the current Tutorial is just fine. However an expanded video tutorial would be helpful for career paths (Combat, Mining, Mfr, Trade, Corp Mgmt) and career paths specifically within small group play (aka you and your 5 noob friends you convinced to sign up to EVE). Basically weeks 1-2 the tutorial handles well. Something for week 2-4 players would be great too. Thats my 0.02 ISK. Enjoy. --Fetischka
Morgaine Viviane Caldari Ordem dos Templarios Pax Atlantis	Posted - 2007.07.05 14:10:00 - [23] The Unwritten Rules of EVE: 1) Never undock a ship that you can't afford to lose (fittings and cargo, included) 2) No space is safe space 3) ALWAYS get FULL insurance on any ship you fly. 4) Never haul more than 20 million worth of goods into Jita in a T1 hauler 5) Always keep local open in low sec space 6) Always check the map for activity when traveling through low sec 7) Always use warp-to-0km when traveling in low sec, especially in 0.0 8) Never go AFK in a low sec system while undocked 9) Never mine solo in a barge/exhumer in low sec 10) Always make safespots in low sec systems that you visit frequently How to find an Agent is also good info
Aanau	Posted - 2007.07.05 14:20:00 - [24] I've been ingame now for 6 months and have ran into plenty of people with no clue on thier overview. Would be nice to show a vid on right clicking in empty space to show roids, gates, stations and how to go to. Also how to add to overview and setting up your overview. I belive a video would let them SEE what it looks like, better than a picture and text.
Storm78 Caldari Sarmizegetusa	Posted - 2007.07.05 14:25:00 - [25] The guys above pointed the main aspects so I don't need to say more. BUT. I think it will be better to make a tutorial for every aspect. Ex: mining video tutorial, navigation video tutorial, finding agents... etc. This way the file will be smaller to download and you don't have to rewind :). Anyway you do it it's a very good ideea because images say more than a thousand words. Good luck.
SghnDubh	Posted - 2007.07.05 14:25:00 - [26] I'm not sure that a CCP-produced video set is really necessary. There are quite a few sites, BattleClinic included, that offer new player interactive resources that people often find superior to a video. If you're thinking of producing one video, we've found that people get "information overload" especially in a game as complex as EVE. Our experience is that people prefer information chunked and searchable. If you produce video topics, that's great--but it's already been done, as the Goonies have pointed out. And aren't you undercutting EVE-TV a bit? (Yes, I know it's pay-to-see, but they are a CCP partner...) Alternatively, e-learning modules such as what we've produced at BattleClinic, coupled with video extracts, might be received better. Link to Module Example. We've found this format very well received and we'd be willing to share our expertise with CCP here. Finally, it's established that learning-by-doing is the best teacher of all. Maybe CCP could continue to refine and extend the tutorial experience in new and interesting ways. Sincerely, SghnDubh, who in real life owns a corporate training and learning company . Fight Smart: http://www.BattleClinic.com
Swift Voyager	Posted - 2007.07.05 14:57:00 - [27] I've been playing about 6 months but I'm helping teach a brand new player right now. Basic navigation and warp techniques like aligning on your exit point durring a fight. Secondly, a demo of mission combat would be cool on video. Thirdly, a demo of what happens when you make Concord angry may be neat.
James Hoagland	Posted - 2007.07.05 14:58:00 - [28] I recently made an Amarr(sp?) character and was going through the tut missions for that race when I came across one mish that required me to invent a Villard Wheel. I went through the tut explanation and reread the mission details about 10 times and still couldn't figure it out. I asked for help in the Rookie channel in-game and no one could offer advise on it there. I still have yet to complete that mish. I would elect to add the invention / production process and procedure to the video.
Level4 Minmatar Red Frog Investments Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.05 14:58:00 - [29] How about a video tutorial on how to use EveMon ? since everyone and their dogs are using it, might as well introduce them to it since the start ?
Blade3D	Posted - 2007.07.05 14:59:00 - [30] I agree with the requests for manufacturing procedures. How to manufacture from BPO/BPC. How to copy BPO to make a BPC. How to research. Each showing where to click and what do. (yes this could be done with images and text, but the message is usually always better put across in a video). The same goes for security. What happens when you steal cargo, including flashing red and getting attacked. Identifying a gate camp in low security. A brief video clip showing module overloading.

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