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Santa Anna Caldari Blackguard Brigade Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 20:55:00 - [61] Originally by: Korizan Ignore the forum trolls (makes sure not to look in the mirror) they are only looking for controversy and forum wars Wait, forum wars? I came here looking for forum *****s. I was all dressed up and everything. I feel misled. _____ Heat Warfare
Corben Ei	Posted - 2007.07.05 20:57:00 - [62] Originally by: Santa Anna Wait, forum wars? I came here looking for forum *****s. I was all dressed up and everything. I feel misled. I am truly sorry sir. Cant say that I know of any wars. You must have taken a wrong turn somewhere!? I just see a lot of ppl missing a point. I guess thats it then for me!
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.07.05 20:57:00 - [63] I really think that trial accounts should get some limitations. It is quite obvious to me that those players who attacked to op were in no way people unfamiliar with Eve but quite the contrary. They used the special mechanics of trial accounts to grief and get profit. I agree that this is not good for Eve. Though I wonder how the op managed to fly around with 800m in a Cheeta getting killed by a few reapers and a destroyer. In any case, trial accounts should be only there for people unfamiliar with Eve who want to have a look around. They should in no way give special protection to people who use those accounts as a work-around of normal game mechanics (30 day killrights etc.) To the op: petition those people. Any transactions to other characters can be traced and if they lead significant traces to some other eve chars then that char might get in trouble also.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:03:00 - [64] Edited by: Crumplecorn on 05/07/2007 21:02:57 Originally by: Gnulpie They used the special mechanics of trial accounts to grief and get profit. PROTIP: Killing people to gain massive profits is not griefing. (Also, it's never griefing) - Sig restored due to awesomeness. For details respond to my e-mails >:(
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:13:00 - [65] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Gnulpie They used the special mechanics of trial accounts to grief and get profit. PROTIP: Killing people to gain massive profits is not griefing. (Also, it's never griefing) Ah, is that so? One can always learn. The op stated, and we all have to believe him otherwise the whole discussion is useless, that a very large part of the cargo got destroyed. And obviously it is not MASSIVE profit. At best it is small profit. But that is not the point. The point is that trial accounts must not be used to avoid the game mechanics who apply to everyone else, for example the 30 day killrights. Someone else mentioned a security hit. With trial accounts all this doesn't matter any more. You throw away that account and open up a new one... What does the 'pro' say about this?
Corben Ei	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:17:00 - [66] Edited by: Corben Ei on 05/07/2007 21:17:42 Originally by: Gnulpie To the op: petition those people. Any transactions to other characters can be traced and if they lead significant traces to some other eve chars then that char might get in trouble also. Oooh but I did, and received the obvious response. That is what was to be expected. As already noticed. I am definately naive, but not stupid! I am sorry to you all, but I am afraid that I will not be leaving my standing on finding this use of trial accounts an exploit!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:17:00 - [67] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Gnulpie They used the special mechanics of trial accounts to grief and get profit. PROTIP: Killing people to gain massive profits is not griefing. (Also, it's never griefing) Ah, is that so? One can always learn. The op stated, and we all have to believe him otherwise the whole discussion is useless, that a very large part of the cargo got destroyed. And obviously it is not MASSIVE profit. At best it is small profit. But that is not the point. The point is that trial accounts must not be used to avoid the game mechanics who apply to everyone else, for example the 30 day killrights. Someone else mentioned a security hit. With trial accounts all this doesn't matter any more. You throw away that account and open up a new one... What does the 'pro' say about this? The 'pro' (since you fail at memes) says there's a difference between an exploit and griefing. In fact the two are completely unrelated. I mean, seriously, WTF are you smoking? - Sig restored due to awesomeness. For details respond to my e-mails >:(
Warrio Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:26:00 - [68] Subject A walks into the street. Subject A presses gun to head of subject B. Subject A fires. Subject B drops. Subject A is shot shortly after by police forces. Does this help subject B? Nope. Art immitates life s0n. lrn2play or L2P would be the way the cool kids say it I believe. Sig removed due to being too freaking awsome. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Deckard Cain
Santa Anna Caldari Blackguard Brigade Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:30:00 - [69] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Gnulpie They used the special mechanics of trial accounts to grief and get profit. PROTIP: Killing people to gain massive profits is not griefing. (Also, it's never griefing) Ah, is that so? One can always learn. The op stated, and we all have to believe him otherwise the whole discussion is useless, that a very large part of the cargo got destroyed. And obviously it is not MASSIVE profit. At best it is small profit. But that is not the point. The point is that trial accounts must not be used to avoid the game mechanics who apply to everyone else, for example the 30 day killrights. Someone else mentioned a security hit. With trial accounts all this doesn't matter any more. You throw away that account and open up a new one... What does the 'pro' say about this? We don't have the killmail, but he said it was a thrasher. An arty thrasher's alpha could pop a cheetah easily, especially if untanked. You don't need an army of trial accounts to pop an afk untanked frig in empire. He may have used a trial account or alt to loot, but he wouldn't be avoiding the security hit by doing that. _____ Heat Warfare
Corben Ei	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:31:00 - [70] Edited by: Corben Ei on 05/07/2007 21:30:41 Edited by: Corben Ei on 05/07/2007 21:30:29 Originally by: Warrio Subject A walks into the street. Subject A presses gun to head of subject B. Subject A fires. Subject B drops. Subject A is shot shortly after by police forces. Does this help subject B? Nope. Art immitates life s0n. lrn2play or L2P would be the way the cool kids say it I believe. Nobody pressed a gun to my head and fired! They burned my CAR and took my STEREO dude!!!

Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:33:00 - [71] Originally by: Corben Ei Edited by: Corben Ei on 05/07/2007 21:30:41 Edited by: Corben Ei on 05/07/2007 21:30:29 Originally by: Warrio Subject A walks into the street. Subject A presses gun to head of subject B. Subject A fires. Subject B drops. Subject A is shot shortly after by police forces. Does this help subject B? Nope. Art immitates life s0n. lrn2play or L2P would be the way the cool kids say it I believe. Nobody pressed a gun to my head and fired! They burned my CAR and took my STEREO dude!!! This guy has a 99.9% Understanding resist. - Sig restored due to awesomeness. For details respond to my e-mails >:(
Corben Ei	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:35:00 - [72] Originally by: Crumplecorn This guy has a 99.9% Understanding resist. I know! The world is flat, and if you sail long enough, you will fall off the edge!
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:37:00 - [73] Originally by: Corben Ei Originally by: Crumplecorn This guy has a 99.9% Understanding resist. I know! The world is flat, and if you sail long enough, you will fall off the edge! So... have you come to the realisation that EvE is dark, nasty, unfair, brutal and treacherous yet? Does it make you want to keep on playing? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Corben Ei	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:40:00 - [74] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Corben Ei Originally by: Crumplecorn This guy has a 99.9% Understanding resist. I know! The world is flat, and if you sail long enough, you will fall off the edge! So... have you come to the realisation that EvE is dark, nasty, unfair, brutal and treacherous yet? Does it make you want to keep on playing? If I had 40 million skill points and a load of T2 motherships in the garage, I would definately have it your way!
Corben Ei	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:48:00 - [75] You have a tag line saying "CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that." Can you state to me what "consequences" you are reffering to?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:48:00 - [76] Originally by: Corben Ei You have a tag line saying "CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that." Can you state to me what "consequences" you are reffering to? What game have you been playing? - Sig restored due to awesomeness. For details respond to my e-mails >:(
Corben Ei	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:53:00 - [77] Edited by: Corben Ei on 05/07/2007 21:53:37 Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Corben Ei You have a tag line saying "CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that." Can you state to me what "consequences" you are reffering to? What game have you been playing? I am trying to make a point here, and you are making an effort out of not answering a perfectly clever question! What consequences did Concorde provide in my case?
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:53:00 - [78] Originally by: Corben Ei Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Corben Ei Originally by: Crumplecorn This guy has a 99.9% Understanding resist. I know! The world is flat, and if you sail long enough, you will fall off the edge! So... have you come to the realisation that EvE is dark, nasty, unfair, brutal and treacherous yet? Does it make you want to keep on playing? If I had 40 million skill points and a load of T2 motherships in the garage, I would definately have it your way! It's been my way since I had about 400k SP. I bought a shiney new Kestrel - I was so proud! - and accidentally wandered into lo-sec on my way to collect some launchers. Got popped. Realised (with the help of a good-natured convo from the guy who popped me) that it was my fault. Realised that EvE was enormously more involved and worthwhile than I had appreciated, and fell in love with the game. I'll be the first to admit that I'm not very good at shooting people. But I am quite good at travelling without being shot (when I'm not getting beer, that is). That's my main PvP and I enjoy it enormously. I also run a small 0.0 corp with some friends I've made in the game, and that's opened up a whole new dimension of the game for me. There are still wide areas about which I know almost nothing, and I LOVE that. I LOVE that I'll still be finding out new stuff in a year; making mistakes, making friends, making enemies. Learning. Looking forward to my 13,000,000th skillpoint in a week or so... CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:56:00 - [79] Originally by: Corben Ei Edited by: Corben Ei on 05/07/2007 21:53:37 Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Corben Ei You have a tag line saying "CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that." Can you state to me what "consequences" you are reffering to? What game have you been playing? I am trying to make a point here, and you are making an effort out of not answering a perfectly clever question! What consequences did Concorde provide in my case? I would imagine they blew your attackers up. It's what they do. - Sig restored due to awesomeness. For details respond to my e-mails >:(
Corben Ei	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:57:00 - [80] Originally by: Malcanis It's been my way since I had about 400k SP. I bought a shiney new Kestrel - I was so proud! - and accidentally wandered into lo-sec on my way to collect some launchers. Got popped. Realised (with the help of a good-natured convo from the guy who popped me) that it was my fault. Realised that EvE was enormously more involved and worthwhile than I had appreciated, and fell in love with the game. I'll be the first to admit that I'm not very good at shooting people. But I am quite good at travelling without being shot (when I'm not getting beer, that is). That's my main PvP and I enjoy it enormously. I also run a small 0.0 corp with some friends I've made in the game, and that's opened up a whole new dimension of the game for me. There are still wide areas about which I know almost nothing, and I LOVE that. I LOVE that I'll still be finding out new stuff in a year; making mistakes, making friends, making enemies. Learning. Looking forward to my 13,000,000th skillpoint in a week or so... I am really happy for you! And I totally get you dude! But you are still missing the point, and you are still not answering my question! What IS an exploit to you then?

Corben Ei	Posted - 2007.07.05 21:59:00 - [81] Originally by: Crumplecorn I would imagine they blew your attackers up. It's what they do. And what exactly feels like "consequence" to these guys in that?
Antithysis Gallente Athanasius Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:00:00 - [82] Sweet jesus Crumple, why even bother anymore. It's like slamming your head against a brick wall to try and get through it. It doesn't work, and just has you ending up with a splitting headache. Corben, sorry about your loss, but just take it in stride. Losing this stuff now, means that you know for the future, and won't let yourself be put into the same position again. Being ganked in high sec is just part of the game, and it is stupidly easy to avoid if you pay attention and use a scouting alt. Are there a bunch of BS sitting at the gate for no reason that seem to be AFK? That should be sign one. The second sign should be that there are so many concord around the gate, that you'd think someone had just **ed in their cheerios. Final lesson: Scout ahead first**, use t2 transport ships if you can (helps defend against the less powerful camps), and generally just use your brain! -Anti- --------
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:00:00 - [83] Originally by: Corben Ei Originally by: Crumplecorn I would imagine they blew your attackers up. It's what they do. And what exactly feels like "consequence" to these guys in that? Who here said significant consequences? - Sig restored due to awesomeness. For details respond to my e-mails >:(
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:02:00 - [84] Originally by: Antithysis Sweet jesus Crumple, why even bother anymore. It's like slamming your head against a brick wall to try and get through it. It doesn't work, and just has you ending up with a splitting headache. It amuses me. I actually decided on page 1 that this guy is a troll anyway, but entertainment is entertainment. - Sig restored due to awesomeness. For details respond to my e-mails >:(
Malcanis High4Life Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:03:00 - [85] Originally by: Corben Ei Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Corben Ei You have a tag line saying "CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that." Can you state to me what "consequences" you are reffering to? What game have you been playing? I am trying to make a point here, and you are making an effort out of not answering a perfectly clever question! What consequences did Concorde provide in m case? They shot the crap out of the guys that popped your ship. As per the rules. It's hardly Concord's fault that you were using the wrong ship for the job. What do you want 'em to do? Shoot everyone else in hi-sec because you've undocked and want to feel safe? In hi-sec you have unrealistically instant and severe immediate consequences (Concordokken), and unrealistically lenient long-term consequences (a sec hit that gives scope for several such crimes after the 15 mins have elapsed). I'd be all in favour of doing away with the immersion-breaking instantaneously appearing magic pwnmobiles in return for a slowly escalating faction response; law breakers being attacked by a steadily increasing blob of police craft, so that they are eventually forced to leave that faction's space (Much Caldari cops would care about crimes committed in Gallante space). Real long-term consequences for breaking the law, varying with the crime committed. (Being kicked out of a system for a day for stealing from a jet can, up to permanent outlaw status for pod-killing) Keep concord-style effects to the 4 starter systems (or simply disable PvP in those 4 systems), and put a nice big non-ignorable warning on the exit gates of those places. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Corben Ei	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:04:00 - [86] Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Corben Ei Originally by: Crumplecorn I would imagine they blew your attackers up. It's what they do. And what exactly feels like "consequence" to these guys in that? Who here said significant consequences? If you expect something to happen, and you do not loose anything from it, we are not talking "consequences" AT ALL! There are absoutely NO CONSEQUENCES for these ppl. There is no risk involved at all. AKA It is an EXPLOIT!
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:05:00 - [87] Originally by: Corben Ei Originally by: Crumplecorn Originally by: Corben Ei Originally by: Crumplecorn I would imagine they blew your attackers up. It's what they do. And what exactly feels like "consequence" to these guys in that? Who here said significant consequences? If you expect something to happen, and you do not loose anything from it, we are not talking "consequences" AT ALL! There are absoutely NO CONSEQUENCES for these ppl. There is no risk involved at all. AKA It is an EXPLOIT! That is not the definition of an exploit. - Sig restored due to awesomeness. For details respond to my e-mails >:(
Corben Ei	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:07:00 - [88] Originally by: Malcanis They shot the crap out of the guys that popped your ship. As per the rules. It's hardly Concord's fault that you were using the wrong ship for the job. What do you want 'em to do? Shoot everyone else in hi-sec because you've undocked and want to feel safe? In hi-sec you have unrealistically instant and severe immediate consequences (Concordokken), and unrealistically lenient long-term consequences (a sec hit that gives scope for several such crimes after the 15 mins have elapsed). I'd be all in favour of doing away with the immersion-breaking instantaneously appearing magic pwnmobiles in return for a slowly escalating faction response; law breakers being attacked by a steadily increasing blob of police craft, so that they are eventually forced to leave that faction's space (Much Caldari cops would care about crimes committed in Gallante space). Real long-term consequences for breaking the law, varying with the crime committed. (Being kicked out of a system for a day for stealing from a jet can, up to permanent outlaw status for pod-killing) Keep concord-style effects to the 4 starter systems (or simply disable PvP in those 4 systems), and put a nice big non-ignorable warning on the exit gates of those places. You too are missing the point. There are ab****ely NO CONSEQUENCES for these guys. They were on TRIAL ACCOUNTS!
Corben Ei	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:08:00 - [89] Originally by: Crumplecorn That is not the definition of an exploit. Then pls tell me what is!?
Crumplecorn Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations	Posted - 2007.07.05 22:09:00 - [90] Originally by: Corben Ei You too are missing the point. There are ab****ely NO CONSEQUENCES for these guys. They were on TRIAL ACCOUNTS! Trial accounts are utterly inconsequential in and of themselves anyway, so... - Sig restored due to awesomeness. For details respond to my e-mails >:(



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