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Lexus Deus
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Posted - 2007.07.13 01:55:00 -
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Thanks for the advice guys, I dont really care about the guys making fun of it and saying I shouldnt logged. I worked very hard to get that ship and fittings and I lost it all by being friendly and helping someone. Well my lesson is learnt, Im just gonna start afresh.
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Garat Mant
Minmatar
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2007.07.13 02:03:00 -
[32]
What sort of ship and fittings did you lose?
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Lexus Deus
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Posted - 2007.07.13 02:04:00 -
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Lol you dont want to know
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Lexus Deus
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Posted - 2007.07.13 02:07:00 -
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Btw watch out for Trades'Man, Dakess Athan and Soljisk. Trade being the inviter.
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Matalino
Gallente
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.13 02:11:00 -
[35]
 Originally by: Jack *****K
Originally by: William Hamilton
You have a big box that tells you the risks of joining a warring gang, if you click yes you accept these risks.
I dont think you get that box if they invite you first then invite the waring members. You are kind of at their mercy. Lesson learned, which is a sad lesson, if someone is in need of help just ignore them unless you know them.
That box always appears. It is the box that askes you if you even want to join the gang in the first place. The text will change if their are no warring members, but it is quite clear that if anyone joins who is at war, you will be a valid target. As stated earlier, if you want to help, then you need to create the gang so that you control who gets invited.
To the OP - what's done is done, live and learn. Better luck next time.
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Jinmie
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Posted - 2007.07.13 02:20:00 -
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The tactic itself pretty much sums up the skill of those using it however.
Not really very good at internet spaceships if you have to resort to ganking single new mission runners in highsec this way are we now.
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HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.13 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Lexus Deus
Guys I dont know what to do, I was in dodixie and someone asked me to help them. He ganged warped us and two player bs were waiting for me. They webbed and scrammed me and asked for a billion which i dont have. I have logged off as i didnt know what to do. Any advice etc please as i didnt expect that at all.
I'm tempted to laugh at you and tell you to unplug your keyboard but I'll give you some advice instead;
1. STOP RUNNING MISSIONS!
2. Use whatever isk you have left over from NPCing 24/7 and outfit a ship of your choice for pvp
3. Goto low sec or 0.0 and start griefing people!!!
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SexxxSlave
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Posted - 2007.07.13 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: HostageTaker
Originally by: Lexus Deus
Guys I dont know what to do, I was in dodixie and someone asked me to help them. He ganged warped us and two player bs were waiting for me. They webbed and scrammed me and asked for a billion which i dont have. I have logged off as i didnt know what to do. Any advice etc please as i didnt expect that at all.
I'm tempted to laugh at you and tell you to unplug your keyboard but I'll give you some advice instead;
1. STOP RUNNING MISSIONS!
2. Use whatever isk you have left over from NPCing 24/7 and outfit a ship of your choice for pvp
3. Goto low sec or 0.0 and start griefing people!!!
Leave it to a BoB puppet to come up with a ******** answer like this. PvP isnt everyone's bag...tis one of the reasons why High sec is there. Although NO space is ever 100% secure, the carebears have a place to call relatively safe haven to do PVE. Just because you like devoting your entire life to a VIDEO game, corp, and alliance who demand NOTHING less than consistant 0.0 warfare, doesnt mean everyone else must conform to your elitist behavior.
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Santa Anna
Caldari
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.07.13 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gord Ackfordham
i would have to agree... just because the game mechanics allow something that is rather stupid doesn't mean that you should flame him for it. they should fix the gang system so that war targets can't gang together. plain and simple.
That's not how this works (or at the very least the war targets being in the same gang provides very little in the way of assistance).
Scammer controls 3 characters:
A NPC corp/bait/roper character
B Player alt Wardec corp character
C Player's main combat character
Victim controls 1 character (V)
B is in a concord-sanctioned war with C
Scam:
A invites V to a convo and asks for help with a mission. Depending on who is running the scam, A may have already passive scanned V's ship and set up a ship for C to use to counter it.
If V accepts, A invites V to gang and warps to a safespot where the "mission" is. C is waiting at the safespot.
While in warp, A invites B to the gang. B may be in a shuttle somewhere -- it doesn't matter. This makes V a valid target for C.
If V does not leave the gang before he is aggressed by C, he must fight C until C dies or otherwise loses scram.
There are many variations of this scam, no doubt. Two war-decced parties in a 3-man gang could attack the third party, C could be multiple people, etc. The basic theme is the same, though -- being out of dock/jump range in a gang of people you don't know and/or trust is a bad idea, and anyone trying to get you into that situation is likely trying to kill you.
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Santa Anna
Caldari
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.07.13 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: SexxxSlave
Leave it to a BoB puppet to come up with a ******** answer like this. PvP isnt everyone's bag...tis one of the reasons why High sec is there. Although NO space is ever 100% secure, the carebears have a place to call relatively safe haven to do PVE. Just because you like devoting your entire life to a VIDEO game, corp, and alliance who demand NOTHING less than consistant 0.0 warfare, doesnt mean everyone else must conform to your elitist behavior.
Silence, SexxxSlave.
(sorry, just wanted to say that)
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HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.13 03:40:00 -
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Originally by: SexxxSlave
Originally by: HostageTaker
Originally by: Lexus Deus
Guys I dont know what to do, I was in dodixie and someone asked me to help them. He ganged warped us and two player bs were waiting for me. They webbed and scrammed me and asked for a billion which i dont have. I have logged off as i didnt know what to do. Any advice etc please as i didnt expect that at all.
I'm tempted to laugh at you and tell you to unplug your keyboard but I'll give you some advice instead;
1. STOP RUNNING MISSIONS!
2. Use whatever isk you have left over from NPCing 24/7 and outfit a ship of your choice for pvp
3. Goto low sec or 0.0 and start griefing people!!!
Leave it to a BoB puppet to come up with a ******** answer like this. PvP isnt everyone's bag...tis one of the reasons why High sec is there. Although NO space is ever 100% secure, the carebears have a place to call relatively safe haven to do PVE. Just because you like devoting your entire life to a VIDEO game, corp, and alliance who demand NOTHING less than consistant 0.0 warfare, doesnt mean everyone else must conform to your elitist behavior.
Bow down before my elitist presence!! The BoB Gods demand this!!!
LMAO, gotta love cowardly alts! 
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FarScape III
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Posted - 2007.07.13 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: HostageTaker
Originally by: SexxxSlave
Originally by: HostageTaker
Originally by: Lexus Deus
Guys I dont know what to do, I was in dodixie and someone asked me to help them. He ganged warped us and two player bs were waiting for me. They webbed and scrammed me and asked for a billion which i dont have. I have logged off as i didnt know what to do. Any advice etc please as i didnt expect that at all.
I'm tempted to laugh at you and tell you to unplug your keyboard but I'll give you some advice instead;
1. STOP RUNNING MISSIONS!
2. Use whatever isk you have left over from NPCing 24/7 and outfit a ship of your choice for pvp
3. Goto low sec or 0.0 and start griefing people!!!
Leave it to a BoB puppet to come up with a ******** answer like this. PvP isnt everyone's bag...tis one of the reasons why High sec is there. Although NO space is ever 100% secure, the carebears have a place to call relatively safe haven to do PVE. Just because you like devoting your entire life to a VIDEO game, corp, and alliance who demand NOTHING less than consistant 0.0 warfare, doesnt mean everyone else must conform to your elitist behavior.
Bow down before my elitist presence!! The BoB Gods demand this!!!
LMAO, gotta love cowardly alts!
This is a GREAT game as a whole, and if any one just thinks it is to JUST PvP then they do not know the full potential of EVE.
PvP along with everything else is just a part of EVE.
EVE is the ability to make goals like no other game.
The guy logged because he did not want to give them the satisfaction of them being able to push him around with game mechanics so he gave up on it.
Why argue, why give them what they want? They already had his ship, he lost his ship.
Next time if it were me, I would just tell them "Hmmm ok go ahead blow my ship up, just make sure you pod me right away cuz I need a clone jump ride back to my HQ".
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gfldex
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.07.13 04:31:00 -
[43]
You could have prevented what happend to you by reading.
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There are countless games in the world. There are at least as many ppl that dont like one or more rules of said games. That never stopped smart game designers from creating good games.
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Santa Anna
Caldari
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.07.13 04:41:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Santa Anna on 13/07/2007 04:42:11
Originally by: FarScape III
This is a GREAT game as a whole, and if any one just thinks it is to JUST PvP then they do not know the full potential of EVE.
PvP along with everything else is just a part of EVE.
Everything you do in this game that involves isk is PVP. Just because you aren't shooting another player's ship doesn't mean you aren't altering the game environment in a manner that benefits you at the expense of others.
edit - clarity
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Mir Net
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Posted - 2007.07.13 05:20:00 -
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Sad realy.
Do what just about everybody else does these days in highsec, say and do nothing.
You know half of the 200 crowd in dodixie are alt/2nd accounts or isk farmers anyway, but 95% of the rest will ignore anyone asking or offering help in the local channel.
The odd one that doesn't know (if your account is a true, not a seed or a troll) gets caught out.
Ofcourse then you fit in with eve's wonderfull welcoming social crowd just perfectly, you'll sit there in silence ignoring everybody
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Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
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Posted - 2007.07.13 05:36:00 -
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If you're going to help a stranger out on a mission, wouldn't just agreeing to leave the gang right after warp is initiated take care of the problem? Taking gang leader position would work too, but it just pushes the burden of trust onto the other person.
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zibelthurdos
Archron Dusyfe Industries
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Posted - 2007.07.13 05:43:00 -
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eve is trying to put together video tutorials,
when they first said that one thing popped into my head.
a middle school health video that starts out
"This is lofty29, you may see him hanging around your station and may think, hey he's a fella i could get to like, but ole' lofty has a secret side"
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2007.07.13 05:48:00 -
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Lexus Deus,
It's always a tough crowd here in the forum's......
I'm a ship dealer, come and see me, I'll get you sorted out.
You learned your lesson, just like you I have helped people out before, just got to be careful who you help out.
IF that happens to you again, leave the gang asap and let concord do the rest. 
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sheila donsfox
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Posted - 2007.07.13 05:54:00 -
[49]
this is the by far the game mechanic in eve i hate the most
i do not see any reasoning for it at all
all it does is discourage grouping period
this is the first MMO i have played that actively discourages grouping with other people(not in your corp)
i really think its sad that after playing a mmo for 2 years besides corpmates i have never been in a group with anyone and i have only talked to 3 people
in mmo's with normal rules grouping with other people during pve and maybe even pvp is how u get to know people before u invite them to your guild or get invited to their guild
when i finally decide to throw in the towel and cancel my accounts this will be by far the biggest reason
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.13 06:22:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Plaetean
Originally by: Fedaykinn
Originally by: Plaetean
Originally by: Lexus Deus
I have logged off as i didnt know what to do. Any advice etc please as i didnt expect that at all.
Uninstall eve.
STFU?
Sorry, no sympathy for someone who logs in combat.
From the sound of if he didn't even know if he can fire back, and calling "ganking in high sec" combat is like calling throwing a hook in a breeeding pond for trouts "fishing".
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Cassius Rex
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Posted - 2007.07.13 06:23:00 -
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Edited by: Cassius Rex on 13/07/2007 06:23:32
This happened tonight Lex? Wow, it must have been after I left (we're in the same noob corp).
I helped a player who had a Frigate out in a level 1 mission with my Thorax a few days ago, I didn't know anything about this scam either, and nothing happened to me, but when i ganged with the guy and he warped us I thought to myself "self (that's what I call me when me is talking to me.....), this could be the beginnings of a VERY bad scam".
Seems like I dodged a bullet.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.13 06:33:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Cassius Rex
Edited by: Cassius Rex on 13/07/2007 06:23:57
Edited by: Cassius Rex on 13/07/2007 06:23:42
This happened tonight Lex? Wow, it must have been after I left (we're in the same noob corp).
I helped a player who had a Frigate out in a level 1 mission with my Thorax a few days ago, I didn't know anything about this scam either, and nothing happened to me, but when i ganged with the guy and he warped us I thought to myself "self (that's what I call me when me is talking to me.....), this could be the beginnings of a VERY bad scam".
Seems like I dodged a bullet.
Thtat the worst part, a good percentage of the people asking for help can be honest people in truble, but the number of scammer is high enout that trusting someone could cost you a lot.
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Moriden
Caldari
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.07.13 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: sheila donsfox
this is the by far the game mechanic in eve i hate the most
i do not see any reasoning for it at all
all it does is discourage grouping period
this is the first MMO i have played that actively discourages grouping with other people(not in your corp)
i really think its sad that after playing a mmo for 2 years besides corpmates i have never been in a group with anyone and i have only talked to 3 people
in mmo's with normal rules grouping with other people during pve and maybe even pvp is how u get to know people before u invite them to your guild or get invited to their guild
when i finally decide to throw in the towel and cancel my accounts this will be by far the biggest reason
Just wanted to say that it happens a surprising amount out in 0.0 Been in gangs that joined with another neutral gang to go after common foe :)
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Dakess Athan
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Posted - 2007.07.13 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Garat Mant
What sort of ship and fittings did you lose?
Oh nothing great...*cough Navythron *cough* 5 month old char *cough* Core X type Reps
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Fenren
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Posted - 2007.07.13 06:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dakess Athan
Originally by: Garat Mant
What sort of ship and fittings did you lose?
Oh nothing great...*cough Navythron *cough* 5 month old char *cough* Core X type Reps
at least he now knows to gang with less expencive ships....
Originally by: GM Nova
Hello everyone, senior GM Nova here.
[...]A month ago we removed 380 billion ISK from the economy. This is not a typo, 380 BILLION ISK[...] We banned well over 100 accounts.
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Merdaneth
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.07.13 07:46:00 -
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Just make it so that you can't have two people who are at war in the same gang, since that seems to be the core of the tactic. War targets in the same gang is somewhat counter-intuitive besides.
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Tyson Gallane
Caldari
Political Warfare Executive
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Posted - 2007.07.13 08:21:00 -
[57]
Not everyone is a scammer. I've helped people out in my neck of the woods on more than one occasion. The potential for skullduggery makes for some interesting relationships, but I've not yet come to grief.
TG.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.07.13 08:24:00 -
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See this is what makes the single shard so great. One day I'm reading that lofty has returned to Dodixie and is back to his old tricks, the next day this...
Well, it's always nice to see the money get redistributed away from those who have more of it than sense.
And always nice to see the usual complaints...
Originally by: Gord Ackfordham
how this "issue" works is that the person who asked you to gang, and the other player in the gang are war targets... by adding you to the gang, it allows them both to gank you.
[...]
edit: in my opinion, war targets should never be allowed to gang each other.
It actually works by ganging an alt who is at war with the attacking ships, they are never in the gang.
Originally by: Astro Teller
griefing is part of any online game and i support it- but the way this happens is beyond griefing- it is abusive
First of all, in EVE it's never greifing, this sort of thing is part of the game.
Second, there is nothing exceptionally abusive about this tactic, it is a fact of the gang mechanics that if wardecced people are gang people get all sorts of rights, so you need to trust the gang leader.
Originally by: Jinmie
The tactic itself pretty much sums up the skill of those using it however.
Not really very good at internet spaceships if you have to resort to ganking single new mission runners in highsec this way are we now.
Social engineering someone into a position where they can be attacked in highsec and making millions if not billions of ISK with relatively little effort? Yeah, they're crap at the game. 
Originally by: sheila donsfox
this is the first MMO i have played that actively discourages ignorance and stupidity
I fixed this
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DarkElf
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.07.13 08:27:00 -
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I still don't understand ppl trusting ppl in eve that they don't know at all. It's been going on for years. Don't gang with someone unless you trust the person.
And as others have said you get a message when someone offers a gang and last time i checked it tells you that if someone in gang is in a war then u become a valid war target
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.07.13 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: DarkElf
And as others have said you get a message when someone offers a gang and last time i checked it tells you that if someone in gang is in a war then u become a valid war target
You do not get a warning if the people who are at war are invited after you, which is the whole idea of this "exploit". So your argument just illustrates how obscure this stuff is and why it must be fixed.
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