Unfortunely most corps are forced to do incursions to keep their low to null sec corps running

******* figures, I finally decide to try to get into incursions as a change of pace and some faggots are running their mouths about how it needs to be nerfed. Why don't ya'll go play another damn game and let those of us that actually like Eve play it?

Its a game, CSM was elected by virtual players. And still they do not have to answer to F*** all if they do not want to.
Its not they were elected President of the US and have to answer to your desires.

Initially i was gonna write a wall about assumed personalities, but then i realised, you're prolly too full of yourself to acknowledge it anyway. Its nice that you prolly just finished studying psychology, and now crusade to lecture the EVE community. This is not the real world, but from your words it seem like you haven't realised it yet. People can act how ever they bloody want, CCP are the ones who decides to allow it or not. Not some self-righteous prick like you.

And I am sorry to laugh in your direction, but you seem to think that its the production and industrial players that benefits from Incursions. It is sure as hell not the Supply and Demand that dictates the pricings these days. When CCP decided to let the ATMs spit out a continues stream of never ending Isk, they messed up the economy for all except the Incursion runners, since they are the ones camping the ATMs like a Snickers at Fat Camp. I dont want to see Incursions gone, but the Isk output needs to go down. Anyone trying to argue that earning more in a near-risk free environment vs high risk environments are bonkers and just greedy bastards in my eyes. How can that possibly be fair?

I'll answer that, its not. Ever heard of "the bigger the risk, the greater the reward"? Well it gone from EVE Online right now. Production and Industrialist doesn't need Incursion runners. They were doing fine even before that. What they can't live without are the NS/LS/WH-space inhabitants, who are the ones that actually buys all of their T1s and mods, because they actually loose them. Maybe you have spendt to much time in Incursions that you actually didnt realised that.

What my personal goal is here with making Incursion runners die, and killing MOMs, is to actually put some work and effort back into a lost event. People like BTL will screw over the newbies even if we are not there. Because how can a T1 fleet compete with the BTL Fleet of Scrubs. Hopefully but limiting the availability of Incursions, CCP will realised that something is wrong here.

Im not entirely sure what your point is but Id just like to say that I am sure glad you are here. It makes me feel alot better to know that there are genuinely decent people such as yourself who have never and would never do anything that could harm another fellow human being, even in a video game.

It gives me hope to think that some people like you are still out there. People whos space pixels I can ruthlessly destroy without the slightest bit of mercy whilst scamming the very funds they require to replace their loss all while knowing they absolutely did nothing to deserve it. Ever. You are perfect. The perfect outlet for my true evil inner self, possibly the only thing that keeps me from torturing household pets and breaking the hips of the elderly on a daily basis. Ive never felt like anyone undestands me the way you do and it has helped me to better understand myself.

I thank you.

Me being elitist? Mate take a look at all your incursion bear buddies. They are all saying that incursions currently are really tough for the lesser-PUG fleets to get into. All the elitism and competition in incursions are kicking them out.

Oh ****. Did I just ruin all your arguments using carebear arguments!?

I felt a disturbance in my Eve, as if a million desperate carebears cried out at once......

lol I hear a thousand Null bear's whines... waaaaaaa I wanna make more in my part of the Sandbox no fairs :'(
"NERF NERF NERF WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"

I love collecting greifer & Null tears about me being a rich Carebear lulzzzzzzzzz

LMAO! Risk vs. Reward - what about those gate gankers killing 20-30 mission runners in a row and looting their T2 ships - muhaaaaa - very risky.

If you want balance do something about that. Everyone can farm Incursions - so where is the balancing issue?

Instead of talking about balancing - name it what you want: Force other players to play the way YOU want - that's it.

Assuming null pilots gets a signficant piece of the moon pie is a bit hilarious.

Your moronic drivel makes me want to form a fleet RIGHT NOW and kill the remaining incursions so I can do more :smugface:.

What's the matter? Having issues finding a fleet willing to do nullsec dirtywork for free dis time? Still 3 incursions in hisec or maybe you are afraid of what is waiting for you once you face the mothership?

I thought this was about the luiz. Maybe someone in BTL gave you a bigger bribe this time? Or maybe you indeed have to wait for scheduled op times because nobody wants to go on your and Kill it with fire's crap anymore?

This is almost funny if it weren't about protecting hisec content from nullsec politics and crap.

I agree... instead of having a static passive moon goo monopoly I'dlike to see Drones start pooping moo goo in addition to minerals that way more of NULL Sec would be worth going to also & spread out instead of being the desert it is... but that's something for another thread except in that NULL does crow about thier Wealth yet whenever a ISK fountain ( that nowhere near amounts to the MoonGOO ISKies ) the NULL crybear tears fountain because thier part of the Sandboxout of view to the teacher is empty

What's the matter? Having issues finding a fleet willing to do nullsec dirtywork for free dis time? Still 3 incursions in hisec or maybe you are afraid of what is waiting for you once you face the mothership?

I thought this was about the luiz. Maybe someone in BTL gave you a bigger bribe this time? Or maybe you indeed have to wait for scheduled op times because nobody wants to go on your and Kill it with fire's crap anymore?

This is almost funny if it weren't about protecting hisec content from nullsec politics and crap.

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Well talking of bribes, we were all paid (each person in the fleet) 500mil to leave. It worked out at about 20bn isk in total for BTL, but they said it was absolutely worth it and we left, as agreed. The contract stipulated that we could return within three days, but had to give them that leeway. Just read the news article, it confirms everything. As for gang sizes? We can have a hundred fighting men and women in any area of space within two hours at any time, in any configuration of ship. You are a lunatic if you think otherwise.

This is a completely lie, not only did darious only ask 500mil in total (not per pilot), but BTL didnt send any money because they LOVE mothership contests. Also, the new article only speculates and eve news is notorious for not researching deeply and using vague or non-confirming terms.

And as for gang size, i believe the size of the last 3rd party mothership fleet was 28 members xD

I love how this topic has spiraled into little more than childish rants between both sides.

A CSM that acts out and demonstrates a complete lack of maturity. The OP who is crying over nothing. And tons of people trying to act as if they're fighting the good fight here.

As if these same mechanics don't apply to people in low sec and null sec that also farm incursions and make tons of ISK doing so.

Please stop acting like this issue is relegated to high sec players alone.

I can assure you Sir, that we were all paid. You say yourself that Eve News doesn't do its research - but you rely on their comments to reinforce your point. The fleet that I was in, the one that killed a mothership and caused the death of another, was roughly 40 strong and every single person was paid the full amount. Whilst I cannot provide API details or screenshots for security reasons, my word on the matter will need to be enough. It's not like you were there - you can but speculate.

Quoted for truth.

+1 like for simplicity.

Followed a link to this thread and while reading it thought I was in General Discussion.

A sharp increase in the number of nullsec incursions is needed, right now most alliance just ignore them because they happen so infrequently, but if more were spawned it would be worth it for even small alliances to ask their members to at the very least have T1 battleships ready to farm them.

Ad Hominem attack, your input is invalid. Please try again.

3. got a max of 28 people (including my vigil) before the FC decided to tell the fleet to hit an assult gate leading to the death of many pilots (i got a fed navy web and a caldari navy invul out of it, not that the invul is going to be worth anything after the patch)

Your moronic drivel makes me want to form a fleet RIGHT NOW and kill the remaining incursions so I can do more :smugface:.

In order to fight the bear, you must think like the bear. I like it. You must be strong though warriors, lest you give into the siren's call and become the very thing you seek to destroy.

Also I think we can all agree it would be quite amusing if BTL forms up a Blackbird fleet. Somehow tears are sweeter when they're bottled by carebears

We can have a hundred fighting men and women in any area of space within two hours at any time, in any configuration of ship. You are a lunatic if you think otherwise.