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Krissada
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.01.09 23:21:00 -
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Before words ---- Yes, it's this thread again. No, it's not just empty words. This was posted many days ago, but I decided to take it down to have some chats with a few selected people before finalizing everything.
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We have come to the conclusion that even though blackbird suicide ganking is a profitable and very fun activity it only limits the Incursion Bear activities by some degree. If we are to end their reign once and for all which has lasted for almost a year it is time we do it now.
We would like to announce the creation of a wonderful and most generous channel named: "Grief the Bears" with the sole purpose of taking down all motherships in highsec as soon as they appear and end the incursion just like CCP intended.... We shall put an end to this inhuman farming and abuse of game mechanics. We have to put a gag to this ISK faucet and shake up those bears. If they wanna do incursions they can go to lowsec or nullsec. 
What do we require and why do we need you?
- 30-40 bodies to effectively fight off the site and finish it.
- Armor buffer fit battleships and a handful subbattleships.
- T2 logistic ships.
- Empty tear jars.
So join us at the channel ----> Grief the Bears and let us finally put an end to all this.
Once all the highsec incursions are down they will not respawn for another 24+ hours. When that one will spawn it will only take the bears 4-5 hours to make the mothership appear and then we shall sweep in yet again and finish it.
Can you imagine highsec where the bears only get to incursion 15-20 hours for a whole week? I can and it is filled with tears....
PS: Beware that extracting a sufficient amount of tears will result in merc wardecs hired by rich bears. I see this as a side bonus!
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Above is the simple plan. We cannot keep on waiting and whining to CCP. We are taking matters into our own hands with or without you. If you want to join, feel free to. If you rather not that is fine too. But if you want to whine and complain because we are stopping the ISK faucet then make sure you are crying into one of our jars.
Fly much reckless  |

Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
904
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Posted - 2012.01.09 23:23:00 -
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Heh (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) -áGÖÑ New Years Resolution ~ Cease thy Smacktalk GÖÑ |

Krissada
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
6
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Posted - 2012.01.09 23:24:00 -
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Did I just hear Lady Spank giggle? How amusing. |

Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
136
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Posted - 2012.01.09 23:27:00 -
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Kill them.
With fire. I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |

Lady Spank
GET OUT NASTY FACE
904
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Posted - 2012.01.09 23:35:00 -
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Krissada wrote:How amusing. I hope it will be.
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) -áGÖÑ New Years Resolution ~ Cease thy Smacktalk GÖÑ |

J Kunjeh
316
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Posted - 2012.01.09 23:37:00 -
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This...this is ******* epic. At least, you'd better make it so! I wish I could join, but I can't even fly BS's yet...lol. But I'll be there in spirit!
That said, I still plan to farm Incursions myself someday. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |

Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles
56
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Posted - 2012.01.09 23:48:00 -
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Events like these will make you a superstar if you succeed or just another loud mouth hasbeen if you fail. I wish you luck because you are essentially trying to form a pickup gang to accomplish this. CCP is going about the wrong way of Fixing FW; https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=608882#post608882 |

Jaa-Ko Arakal
Dogmatic Citizens NZAU Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.01.10 00:03:00 -
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Good Luck |

Andy Sharvas
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.10 00:16:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:Events like these will make you a superstar if you succeed or just another loud mouth hasbeen if you fail. I wish you luck because you are essentially trying to form a pickup gang to accomplish this.
We can run the site without outside help. This thread is just a "Show up if you want to be part of it" invite. |

Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
95
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Posted - 2012.01.10 00:17:00 -
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This is either going to generate some great fights.
I cannot express enough approval.
You have my geddon. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |
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Erwin Castle Jakuard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2012.01.10 00:18:00 -
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Good luck, i see many tears flowing from both sides, from carebears about their incursions, and from pirates and mercs that join your fleets just to awox your nice ships... (carebearing hatred at its best)
I cant wait to read the tears |

Oxandrolone
Bite me inc. Narwhals Ate My Duck
5
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Posted - 2012.01.10 00:20:00 -
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Hope you grief them well, too much isk for no risk in incursions |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
182
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Posted - 2012.01.10 00:28:00 -
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I wish I could like it more than once. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |

Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck
90
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Posted - 2012.01.10 01:54:00 -
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+1
this is a Lapse Of Sanity approved endeavor. |

Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
69
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Posted - 2012.01.10 02:17:00 -
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I keep clicking like, but the number only goes up and down by one. How do I give moar reps?
(Also, you have my axe.) |

jimmyjam
Sinner Among Saints Exquisite Malevolence
24
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Posted - 2012.01.10 02:22:00 -
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The only thing your doing is taking a gang on PVE romp good job on sticking it to the man bro |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
820
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Posted - 2012.01.10 02:26:00 -
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I shall see you in-game good sir |

Krissada
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
14
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Posted - 2012.01.10 02:28:00 -
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jimmyjam wrote:The only thing your doing is taking a gang on PVE romp good job on sticking it to the man bro 
Completely removing the possibility of running incursions in highsec is what sorry? I don't know this romp of yours. |

Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
116
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Posted - 2012.01.10 02:35:00 -
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Interesting... As someone who does incursions from time to time, this will possibly hurt my ability to make some isk that way. On the other hand, I have long been saying that once the mothership appears, there should be a limited window before it leaves and the incursion ends, even if it has not reached the withdrawing stage (it makes sense from an RP perspective)... Looks like the players are doing what CCP hasn't with the game mechanics...
Fix Faction Warfare CCP!!! |

Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company
42
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Posted - 2012.01.10 02:56:00 -
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lightspeed too slow? |
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Servitor 001
Rules of Acquisition Acquisition Of Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.01.10 03:23:00 -
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So to stop bears earning all the isk from incursions, your going to run all the empire incursions and earn the isk instead?
Maybe its just me, but I dont see that solving the isk faucet problem?
cheers |

Penirg Man
Penirgman Defence Force
0
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Posted - 2012.01.10 03:30:00 -
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Servitor 001 wrote:So to stop bears earning all the isk from incursions, your going to run all the empire incursions and earn the isk instead?
Maybe its just me, but I dont see that solving the isk faucet problem?
cheers
What da **** is wrong wit you! ARMOR HACS ARMOR HACS ARRRMOR HAAAAACS |

Chitsa Jason
High Intellion Exhale.
66
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Posted - 2012.01.10 04:06:00 -
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I approve this service :) |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
820
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Posted - 2012.01.10 04:19:00 -
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I don't know how to Incursion :(
Will an Abaddon be a good ship for this? How would you fit an Abaddon for an incursionamabob? |

Krissada
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
15
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Posted - 2012.01.10 04:46:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:I don't know how to Incursion :(
Will an Abaddon be a good ship for this? How would you fit an Abaddon for an incursionamabob?
Like pvp - dual plated, resists, heat sinks, some tracking and stuff in the meds. Oh and lots of gank.
Servitor let me put it out to you as plain as possible.
We spend 30 minutes in 1 incursion and completely remove it from the constellation. In just about 2-3 hours of (paid) work we can remove all high security incursions for say 30 hours if not more?
We will earn a tiny fraction of what would actually have come out of that incursion if it doesn't end. What do you say then will you be joining us?  |

Pierre LaFayette
Sin City Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2012.01.10 05:31:00 -
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So what is to stop the bears from gathering a few BB fleets and use them against your romps against the mom sites? Teras could flow both ways. |

Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
95
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Posted - 2012.01.10 05:40:00 -
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Pierre LaFayette wrote:So what is to stop the bears from gathering a few BB fleets and use them against your romps against the mom sites? Tears could flow both ways.
That just makes it even better. Who doesn't want free killrights on bears? Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |

Pierre LaFayette
Sin City Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2012.01.10 06:03:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:
That just makes it even better. Who doesn't want free killrights on bears?
I'd be willing to bet the fleets get griefed by a couple or three non carebears. I don't see this ending well for the event organizers.
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
491
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Posted - 2012.01.10 09:22:00 -
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Nerf High-sec Incursion rewards |

Senn Denroth
Offworld Miners and Fabricators Guild
2
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Posted - 2012.01.10 10:31:00 -
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Krissada, you have my full support, ever since fellow corpmates have lost their ships running incursions with BTL and NOT getting paid out for legit losses. It would seem that some of the top incursion FCs have even started lining their pockets MORE with donated money from players for the ship replacement fund.
CCP should have it that the mothership stays only for a day or so with incentive for players to destroy it and get a large bonus. Otherwise, why can't CCP give me unlimited sleeper sites in my wormhole? I have to wait days for more to spawn sometimes, what the heck man?!??
Lead farmers, you have our support.
Death to the carebears!!
I leave you with this....
Re: Re: FW: SIGH - Logi down we have a logi down From: Elle Lau Sent: 2012.01.03 06:42 To: Hxxxx
Wow, that's pretty harsh considering we only just got in to the site and I was primed, if you recall. Death is basically due to other logis not getting their cap chain up and repping me in time, how the hell is that my fault?
I run logistics for my WH corp all the time and I assure you that my hardeners were on and my fitting is fine as you can see.
Looks like I won't be flying with you anymore if I'm going to get shafted like this.
Re: Re: Re: FW: SIGH - Logi down we have a logi down From: Hxxxx Sent: 2012.01.03 07:10 To: Elle Lau,
Thats what Dani told me. if it was up to me I wouldnt care one bit how you lost it since theres more then 5-6 bil stashed in the fund
Re: Re: Re: Re: FW: SIGH - Logi down we have a logi down From: Elle Lau Sent: 2012.01.04 08:20 To: Hxxxx
I'm not sure if you intended to anger me by saying there's 5-6 bil in a fund somewhere and 150mil would easily make me happy.
It sounds like you're flying with ****holes from what you're saying.
Looks like I just wasted that last few weeks getting to know everyone.
Cya in wormhole space.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FW: SIGH - Logi down we have a logi down From: Hxxxx Sent: 2012.01.04 12:38 To: Elle Lau,
Well lets say I dont agre with the SRP fund distribution as only really few ppl decide where it goes and honestly I got a feeling someone is stashing his pocket
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Andy Sharvas
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.10 12:47:00 -
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Pierre LaFayette wrote:So what is to stop the bears from gathering a few BB fleets and use them against your romps against the mom sites? Tears could flow both ways.
Good luck. We always fly with lots of projected ECCM. Lots and lots and lots. I'd like to see you try though.
Anyone with a wardec or player agression timer won't be getting reps. Feel free to run the site without reps though.
@Senn: Logi will be covered by LFARM and possibly a few good friends. Guardians are welcome to show up, but I'm making sure that if some griefer guardians decide to bug out, it won't affect things too much. |

Buruk Utama
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.01.10 12:57:00 -
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Oh please fly mothership sites pvp fitted and record the outcome. |

Roxwar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.01.10 13:10:00 -
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I not somebody who knows much about incursions, but removing the mothership will at worst force the incursion runners to jump 5/10/15/20 systems to the next one right and farm that one until the mom appears again, rinse and repeat.
How is that going to anything other that slightly inconvenience the incursion runners? http://roxwar.blogspot.com/ |

Andy Sharvas
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.10 13:17:00 -
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Roxwar wrote:I not somebody who knows much about incursions, but removing the mothership will at worst force the incursion runners to jump 5/10/15/20 systems to the next one right and farm that one until the mom appears again, rinse and repeat.
How is that going to anything other that slightly inconvenience the incursion runners?
We're not just killing one. We're killing all of them. Consecutively. Then doing so again when they respawn in a day or so (giving the regular incursion runners a few hours to fill up the blue bar first) Then again. Repeat until bored. |

Soho Joe
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.10 13:24:00 -
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Roxwar wrote:I not somebody who knows much about incursions, but removing the mothership will at worst force the incursion runners to jump 5/10/15/20 systems to the next one right and farm that one until the mom appears again, rinse and repeat.
How is that going to anything other that slightly inconvenience the incursion runners?
But here is the deal, BTL has been trying to make incursions exclusive to their ELITE group for a long time and If you get out of line they act all huffy and important. And they will farm a site for days on end, then when mom appears they will war dec and ban you OMG! from BTL channels, if you form a mom fleet.
I approve of OP's plan hope you get massive amounts of BTL tears, and as far as the ship replacement fund...LMFAO!!! Its just another Bullshit scam to get the FC,s more isk. I say killem all (In Game that is) |

Lady Ayeipsia
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Cascade Imminent
18
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Posted - 2012.01.10 14:17:00 -
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I don't fully understand the incursion farming techniques. Still, couldn't the bears just not spawn the,mom and farm the sites prior to? |

Andy Sharvas
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.10 14:21:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:I don't fully understand the incursion farming techniques. Still, couldn't the bears just not spawn the,mom and farm the sites prior to?
The mothership spawns when enough non-mothership sites have been run. The only way not to spawn it would be to not farm the incursion sites. |

knobber Jobbler
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
21
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Posted - 2012.01.10 15:21:00 -
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So to stop those nasty carebears doing incursions, you're going to do them instead?
Doesn't that make you carebears doing incursions as well?
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Zixie Draco
Tactical Knightmare
33
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Posted - 2012.01.10 15:43:00 -
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...so many mad people, so many. Would you like a kitten? |

Typherian
Legio Invicta Many Reckless Corps
4
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Posted - 2012.01.10 16:03:00 -
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Do it and post the rage chat logs somewhere. Farm their tears the same way they farm incursions. |
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Krissada
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
19
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Posted - 2012.01.10 16:53:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:So to stop those nasty carebears doing incursions, you're going to do them instead?
Doesn't that make you carebears doing incursions as well?
Says the carebear from the "united highsec front" ... 
The short answer is no.
The longer answer is also no. |

Londor Rogers
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.01.10 17:06:00 -
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Great idea Im in I hope we can make this work. |

Lakshata Chawla
Imperial Guardians
11
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Posted - 2012.01.10 17:10:00 -
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Last time this happened there was rage and deaththreats on the guy that did it so have fun. I will be out of an isk faucet till you get bored, but most of BTL sucks anyways. |

Asurymen
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
6
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Posted - 2012.01.10 18:22:00 -
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Guardian pilot signing in, I'm all for making people rage. |

Sizeof Void
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2012.01.10 19:30:00 -
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Wouldn't you generate more tears by ganking the Orca's which the full-time Incursion runners use to haul their PVE ships from one site to another?
Also, I'm curious as to why you previously used blackbirds and ECM to jam logi ships, rather than a couple of Mitten's patented gank-fit Brutix's (or perhaps even a small gang of dessies) to pop them instead? Forcing a logi off the field isn't nearly as effective as blowing them up, esp. over the long term. The Incursion fleet would need to replace them before continuing farming - which is a bit more expensive and problematic than replacing BS shooters. |

Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
136
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Posted - 2012.01.10 19:43:00 -
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I approve of this product/service/endeavour.
Emergent game-play in action--dig it, baby! I A/F/K cloak in Jita. Does that count? |

Poloturion
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
3
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Posted - 2012.01.10 19:46:00 -
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Sizeof Void wrote:Wouldn't you generate more tears by ganking the Orca's which the full-time Incursion runners use to haul their PVE ships from one site to another?
Well that would require waiting for the bears to end the incursion. If only we had a way to know when the bears would be hauling their shinies ... 
Sizeof Void wrote:Also, I'm curious as to why you previously used blackbirds and ECM to jam logi ships, rather than a couple of Mitten's patented gank-fit Brutix's (or perhaps even a small gang of dessies) to pop them instead?
It takes less resources to jam a logi than gank it, and you can do it with concord on grid. You also take less sec status hit since all you are doing is aggressing them. |

Andy Sharvas
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
1
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Posted - 2012.01.10 19:53:00 -
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Sizeof Void wrote:Wouldn't you generate more tears by ganking the Orca's which the full-time Incursion runners use to haul their PVE ships from one site to another?
Not necessarily. Besides, there are people who already do that, and you don't get to see what's in the SMA or CHA or a dead orca.
Quote: Also, I'm curious as to why you previously used blackbirds and ECM to jam logi ships, rather than a couple of Mitten's patented gank-fit Brutix's (or perhaps even a small gang of dessies) to pop them instead? Forcing a logi off the field isn't nearly as effective as blowing them up, esp. over the long term. The Incursion fleet would need to replace them before continuing farming - which is a bit more expensive and problematic than replacing BS shooters.
Expense, reliability,, and fun. Logis in a site are very tough targets to take down. They move fast, have high resists and decent buffer. Its possible to suicide gank them, but it tends to be more work than its worth, and costs a lot more than a group of blackbirds.
Also, when we started, nobody really realized why there were suddenly 12 blackbirds in their OTA. A group of alpha tempests warping in would have been a fairly obvious suicide gank fleet. |

Sizeof Void
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2012.01.10 20:04:00 -
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Poloturion wrote:Sizeof Void wrote:Wouldn't you generate more tears by ganking the Orca's which the full-time Incursion runners use to haul their PVE ships from one site to another? Well that would require waiting for the bears to end the incursion. If only we had a way to know when the bears would be hauling their shinies ...  Good point. FYI, I had just read Jester's blog - "The caravan of the heavens" - which is what put the idea in my head.
Poloturion wrote:Sizeof Void wrote:Also, I'm curious as to why you previously used blackbirds and ECM to jam logi ships, rather than a couple of Mitten's patented gank-fit Brutix's (or perhaps even a small gang of dessies) to pop them instead? It takes less resources to jam a logi than gank it, and you can do it with concord on grid. You also take less sec status hit since all you are doing is aggressing them. Another good point. I sometimes forget about the sec status hit - it doesn't mean much when you are already below -5.
BTW - regarding Concord, you can always pull them off grid prior to your attack. The Goon pilots did this very effectively during their Gallente ice interdiction, simply by undocking in a noob frig, doing something bad to attract Concord away from the ice field, and then launching their suicide attack on the mining ship. |

Freundliches Feuer
The Deadman Project
0
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Posted - 2012.01.10 20:10:00 -
[50] - Quote
Best thread/idea ever! Im in, joining channel as we speak. |
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Tore Vest
Vikinghall
132
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Posted - 2012.01.10 20:13:00 -
[51] - Quote
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Sizeof Void
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2012.01.10 20:14:00 -
[52] - Quote
Andy Sharvas wrote:Also, when we started, nobody really realized why there were suddenly 12 blackbirds in their OTA. A group of alpha tempests warping in would have been a fairly obvious suicide gank fleet. lol... true enough!
Perhaps you should try the same thing with a bunch of Badger II's? :) |

Bernie Nator
Insidious Design Talocan United
55
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Posted - 2012.01.10 20:15:00 -
[53] - Quote
I say you just jam them all. With raspberry. :3 |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
746
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Posted - 2012.01.10 20:34:00 -
[54] - Quote
If I'm ever actually around when this is happening, I'll be there.
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Krissada
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
21
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Posted - 2012.01.10 20:40:00 -
[55] - Quote
snipe!
EDIT: Failed miserably.
Regardless we have just had the first few tear donations in our channel. It was beautiful. They compared us to goons and said we would fail miserably just like they did when they attempted the first thing. One of them literally said that we would die in a fire like they did. I think these arrogant incurbears have misunderstood something. We are the ones that kill it with fire - not the other way around 
"Me 1st" wrote: if u think ur gona waltz in and pop moms wiht a bunch of randoms i cant wait to watch u burn.
"Fellios Method " wrote: so the creation of this channel is a resulting of a bunch of butthurt monkeys that can't figure out how to make their own isk Fellios Method > goons tried this **** that you monkeys are trying to pull once and they died horribly in a fire
PS: To any moderator this is not posting chat logs. I am simply quoting the crybabies. |

TalonKarrde84
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.10 20:51:00 -
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This tired old song?
Didn't you guys learn when Goons lost all those tech moons trying to pop our moms?
I'm gonna level with you guys. As spacerich as incursions have made us, blitzing sites for hours on end does get a little dull (we organize pvp roams just to break up the monotony of all that isk pouring into our wallets). 
I thank you in advance for the entertainment, and look forward to seeing your comical wipes on Kundalini Manifest sites. 
That is, assuming that the 80% of people in this thread with incursion alts are actually willing to lose the income. 
Posting on my main, btw.  |

Callous Jade
Narcissistic Ventures
1
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Posted - 2012.01.10 20:56:00 -
[57] - Quote
TalonKarrde84 wrote:This tired old song? Didn't you guys learn when Goons lost all those tech moons trying to pop our moms? I'm gonna level with you guys. As spacerich as incursions have made us, blitzing sites for hours on end does get a little dull (we organize pvp roams just to break up the monotony of all that isk pouring into our wallets).  I thank you in advance for the entertainment, and look forward to seeing your comical wipes on Kundalini Manifest sites.  That is, assuming that the 80% of people in this thread with incursion alts are actually willing to lose the income.  Posting on my main, btw. 
Look out guys, he does peeveepee roams and has a whopping 2 kills to show for it... |

Freundliches Feuer
The Deadman Project
0
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Posted - 2012.01.10 21:00:00 -
[58] - Quote
ohnoes... |

TalonKarrde84
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.10 21:08:00 -
[59] - Quote
Callous Jade wrote:TalonKarrde84 wrote:This tired old song? Didn't you guys learn when Goons lost all those tech moons trying to pop our moms? I'm gonna level with you guys. As spacerich as incursions have made us, blitzing sites for hours on end does get a little dull (we organize pvp roams just to break up the monotony of all that isk pouring into our wallets).  I thank you in advance for the entertainment, and look forward to seeing your comical wipes on Kundalini Manifest sites.  That is, assuming that the 80% of people in this thread with incursion alts are actually willing to lose the income.  Posting on my main, btw.  Look out guys, he does peeveepee roams and has a whopping 2 kills to show for it...
Implying Falcons with no weapons fitted end up on tons of killmails  |

Alua Oresson
The Dominion of Light BLACK-MARK
56
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Posted - 2012.01.10 21:16:00 -
[60] - Quote
TalonKarrde84 wrote:Implying Falcons with no weapons fitted end up on tons of killmails 
If you are doing it right and using ECM modules on the Falcon, yes, you will end up on the killmails. Hell, I've whored onto killmails with ECM drones on a TCU kill. |
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Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
282
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Posted - 2012.01.10 21:20:00 -
[61] - Quote
TalonKarrde84 wrote:Implying Falcons with no weapons fitted end up on tons of killmails 
Wow, look how fucking retarded you are thinking ECM doesn't get you onto a killmail
EDIT:- Also, yeah, this is a pretty good idea and guaranteed to generate rage. You have my swordGuardian! |

TalonKarrde84
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.10 21:21:00 -
[62] - Quote
Alua Oresson wrote:TalonKarrde84 wrote:Implying Falcons with no weapons fitted end up on tons of killmails  If you are doing it right and using ECM modules on the Falcon, yes, you will end up on the killmails. Hell, I've whored onto killmails with ECM drones on a TCU kill.
Only if the ships I'm jamming actually happen to die. So far we're lacking in organization, but practice makes perfect. The hardest part is finding people who won't run from us or blob us. Oh well.  |

Smodab Ongalot
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
35
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Posted - 2012.01.10 21:49:00 -
[63] - Quote
Potamus Jenkins wrote:lightspeed too slow?
Yes, we're gonna have to go right to ludicrous speed.
can't believe you lot missed that one.....
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Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company
42
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Posted - 2012.01.10 22:00:00 -
[64] - Quote
Smodab Ongalot wrote:Potamus Jenkins wrote:lightspeed too slow? Yes, we're gonna have to go right to ludicrous speed. can't believe you lot missed that one.....
whats the matter colonel sanders? |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
820
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Posted - 2012.01.10 22:56:00 -
[65] - Quote
Potamus Jenkins wrote:Smodab Ongalot wrote:Potamus Jenkins wrote:lightspeed too slow? Yes, we're gonna have to go right to ludicrous speed. can't believe you lot missed that one..... whats the matter colonel sanders?
Chicken?? |

Tar Omrir
Cygnus Industries New Eden's Industrial Alliance
9
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Posted - 2012.01.10 23:00:00 -
[66] - Quote
You hate incursions cause theyre a great way to make money, but they might cut into your precious pvp time. Tar Omrir, Chairman, Cygnus Industries |

Grenouielle
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.10 23:05:00 -
[67] - Quote
Pos(t)ing in an ExtraAwesome superhero thread. |

Sizeof Void
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2012.01.10 23:40:00 -
[68] - Quote
Another idea to throw on the fire here....
Rather than use ECM - which is chance-based - how about using range-scripted damps to break the logi ships' locks? Damps always hit, unlike ECM.
You could use a single mid-slot heavy ship to disable several logi ships.
Disclaimer: I haven't run an Incursion site since they were first introduced, so my assumption that the logi ships are standing off and repping from a distance, rather than up close among the shooters, could be entirely wrong. |

Killstealing
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
339
|
Posted - 2012.01.10 23:46:00 -
[69] - Quote
^ incursion fleets are a ball of ships orbiting an anchor at like 10 km, you need jamming. |

Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium The Forsaken.
34
|
Posted - 2012.01.10 23:59:00 -
[70] - Quote
TalonKarrde84 wrote:Alua Oresson wrote:TalonKarrde84 wrote:Implying Falcons with no weapons fitted end up on tons of killmails  If you are doing it right and using ECM modules on the Falcon, yes, you will end up on the killmails. Hell, I've whored onto killmails with ECM drones on a TCU kill. Only if the ships I'm jamming actually happen to die. 
Holy ****! You have to actually kill the target to generate a kill mail?!?!?!?!?!??!
WHAT THE **** IS THIS **** CCP, FIX IT IMMEDIATELY. Those who cannot keep up will be left behind, to watch from a distance. And those who stand in our way will not watch at all. |
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Ana K
Viziam Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.01.11 00:17:00 -
[71] - Quote
I may be interested in this. This character is new and training for gankery, but your service seems appealing as well. Add me and contact me in game. I'm not on much yet, just updating skills, but once I'm gank-ready, I'll be on more often. |

Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
598
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Posted - 2012.01.11 00:21:00 -
[72] - Quote
Sizeof Void wrote: Disclaimer: I haven't run an Incursion site since they were first introduced, so my assumption that the logi ships are standing off and repping from a distance, rather than up close among the shooters, could be entirely wrong.
Usually they're in the thick of it, orbiting an anchor. You probably can't sensor damp them enough to break their lock range down below 5-10km. The main advantage of sensor damps would be, if you can break their lock, it would take them a lot longer to re-acquire their targets.
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Alexandra Kulikov
Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.11 00:22:00 -
[73] - Quote
I support this message and or product. |

Sizeof Void
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2012.01.11 02:29:00 -
[74] - Quote
Killstealing wrote:^ incursion fleets are a ball of ships orbiting an anchor at like 10 km, you need jamming. Ah, well... it was just a thought. Too bad you can't use bombs in high sec Incursion sites.... ;) |

Hidden Fremen
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
6
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Posted - 2012.01.11 09:36:00 -
[75] - Quote
Crap, my jar already filled with happy tears...
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Freundliches Feuer
The Deadman Project
0
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Posted - 2012.01.11 09:43:00 -
[76] - Quote
This thread is going places... :) |

Heo Hyungie
Chimaerazz
0
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Posted - 2012.01.11 10:06:00 -
[77] - Quote
Krissada = Ammzi alt ( tho it seems like it got sold to whoever , fishy huh ? ) Ammzi = one of BTL ( incursion shield fleet community ) council member
Now Krissada promoting a campaign against hi-sec incursion ...hmm strings being pulled give meat to hungry pvpers from null sec ( anything involving tears will get their attention , simple ) ship get blown ups , bears deprived from iskies , profit made here n there , nice =) /start calculating profit projection ...null sec pvpers + hi-sec players = profit , name made ..e-peen lvl +++
wow nice =) ..dam this too complex for me >.< ..i'm nub nub /cry ..brain explodes |

Krissada
Lead Farmers Academy Kill It With Fire
24
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Posted - 2012.01.11 11:44:00 -
[78] - Quote
CONFIRMING I am Ammzis alt  |

Joshke
Steel Dawn Inc.
17
|
Posted - 2012.01.11 12:47:00 -
[79] - Quote
Quote:Implying Falcons with no weapons fitted end up on tons of killmails 
lol
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Tallian Saotome
Casa Del Wombat
326
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Posted - 2012.01.11 12:50:00 -
[80] - Quote
I support this, and want to point out to those who don't think you can run a MS site in pvp ships that if your not trying to get any money from it, you can just pile as many people in the site as it takes. May not make any isk dropping the MS with 150-200 people, but it will still die, and not much is going to attack that fleet(short of a nullsec alliance) o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
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MrWhitei God
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
25
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Posted - 2012.01.11 13:45:00 -
[81] - Quote
FREE SANSHA MOTHERSHIPS!!! from the confines of High Security Space |

knobber Jobbler
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
21
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Posted - 2012.01.11 15:23:00 -
[82] - Quote
Krissada wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:So to stop those nasty carebears doing incursions, you're going to do them instead?
Doesn't that make you carebears doing incursions as well?
Says the carebear from the "united highsec front" ...  The short answer is no. The longer answer is also no.
We actually live in npc 0.0 and teach carebears how to live in null but that's besides the point. Still wanting to know what the deal is with this. |

Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
13
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Posted - 2012.01.11 17:54:00 -
[83] - Quote
AFAIK by taking out the MOM the whole incursion despawns and it is 24 hours before another spawns in its place. What the incurbears do is not kill the MOM and farm the sites that spawn while it's alive. By killing the MOM as soon as it appears the incurbears will have much less time to farm said sites, cutting their income. |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
192
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Posted - 2012.01.11 18:19:00 -
[84] - Quote
I wish my alliance wasn't wardecced 24/7, else I'd join you. Tears are great and you haven't even done anything yet.  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |

Khoda Khan
Tolerancia Nihilum
0
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Posted - 2012.01.11 19:39:00 -
[85] - Quote
I fully endorse this service. There's been a huge disparity in risk/reward in highsec since Exodus and the introduction of L4's. Incursions just made things much, much worse. I don't expect everyone to move out to low or 0.0 - itbs not for everyone - but neither do I believe that those who chose not to should expect to make the kind of ISK that Incursions offer without any real risk attached.
Another prime example - in a very long list of such examples - of poor decision making by the folks at CCP.
I'd offer a Guardian or DPS boat, but alas, my anti-social ways have locked me out of highsec entirely and it's been about a year since I last bothered to take the time to rat up my sec status. But I wish all who participate wel and the best of luck and succes. |

Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
431
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Posted - 2012.01.12 02:45:00 -
[86] - Quote
I am (largely) a carebear, and if you kill me while I am running an incursion I will cry. If you kill the incursion before my wallet is full, I will prolly whimper a little.
But I applaud you for at least making some effort, rather than all the anti-incursion bleating and moaning that seems to be going on in other forums. Dunno whether you got a fat ass or not, but good onya for getting off it and doing **something**.
I will retain some scepticism ... that this amounts to no more than hot air and "Go, bro, go!" backslapping bigtalk ... but all the while I will give you +1 for at least talking-the-talk. We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
29
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Posted - 2012.01.12 03:11:00 -
[87] - Quote
Sigh, looks like I'm gonna have to get ratting so my only decent armor toon can get into HS again.
WTB shield version of this channel  |

ShipToaster
91
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Posted - 2012.01.12 04:55:00 -
[88] - Quote
So who killed the Amarr mothership then? Is it true that those dastardly Goons stole your idea? The only contact I want to have with eve university is if I can have them all ****** to death by space robo donkeys.
Griefing CCP - Bounties for E-Uni Ganking: action continues. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=343354#post343354 |

Heo Hyungie
Chimaerazz
0
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Posted - 2012.01.12 05:24:00 -
[89] - Quote
LOL it is you ammzi ..nice idea, goons faster tho |

Admiral Acronym
NeoStar Research
0
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Posted - 2012.01.12 22:53:00 -
[90] - Quote
i know it has already been stated a couple times in this thread, but this has already been done.. er, i mean "tried", and it did NOT work out. HTIDRaver tried this, and it was successful for a few days, but in the end, it failed miserably. iirc, he was merced from several directions; his corp mates bailed on him; and his alliance was eventually dissolved. if that is a future you find pleasant, then i support this  |
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Soho Joe
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.12 23:07:00 -
[91] - Quote
Admiral Acronym wrote:i know it has already been stated a couple times in this thread, but this has already been done.. er, i mean "tried", and it did NOT work out. HTIDRaver tried this, and it was successful for a few days, but in the end, it failed miserably. iirc, he was merced from several directions; his corp mates bailed on him; and his alliance was eventually dissolved. if that is a future you find pleasant, then i support this 
Raver got buckets and buckets of tears over this, as I was reading BTL pub and in a chat channel with the crew that was killing the moms, BTL Overlords were handing out their version of their OMG bans from BTL channels, war dec's flew, people even assosiated with them got bans from BTL fleet FC's. It was epic, If OP has the stones, and can pull it off for more than a week or two it would be uber epic amount of tears.
Quite possible that would cause high sec to burn in a pire of awesome beautiful flames and rivers of salty tears... |

Pi-Ei One
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.12 23:16:00 -
[92] - Quote
Oh, it took only 6 months of whining over incursions over and over again to form up a thread like this?
What took you so long? :D
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Substantia Nigra
NFI industrial Revival Of The Talocan Empire
432
|
Posted - 2012.01.13 00:57:00 -
[93] - Quote
Pi-Ei One wrote:Oh, it took only 6 months of whining over incursions over and over again to form up a thread like this?
LOL, thread-forming is one thing ... actually doing it is another altogether.
Prediction? Either:
1. It's all too hard to actually do something, OP talks hot for a while longer and then quietly disappears; or
2. OP is a little more than just hot-air and actually gets something going ... and perhaps even scores a small victory. Then OP discovers the pyrrhic nature of that victory and spends a lot of time afterwards running and hiding ... and bleating at being victimised by the wrath-of-carebears.
Either way is gonna feed some chuckles for some and bleats and moans for others. 'tis just the nature of eve.
We can build and sell pretty much every ship. Check my bio for details. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1073
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Posted - 2012.01.13 05:33:00 -
[94] - Quote
OK here's the deal.
If you want to protest the ISK pump that Incursions are, and point out how dumb it is to diss the Sansha mom and grind sites, then most people will have to agree if they fancy themselves logical.
Even the most prolific suicide gankers used to say it was rather odd to get an insurance payout over a ship lost to a criminal act.
"you have to admit...." - always started with words like that.
It's hard to deny how dumb it is to let the mother ship sit there and just grind those sites and rack up the ISK. I was with, and knew a lot of, other players who were all about fighting Sansha because of the Live Event content that precluded Incursions (those live events were called "Incursions") and now most of them won't touch a beared up, canned and neatly packaged monetized incursion with a borrowed 10' pole. What became of those live events to evolve into what they are now was a huge letdown. It's like going to Pandora in the Movie Avatar and finding strip malls and condos everywhere.
But...
(always a but)
if you make it all about "the tears" and treat the matter as if it was a grief fest, essentially screaming "it's a sandbox" while making it your goal to take the pale and shovel, bonk the other kids over the head with them, and then point and laugh, then mommy (CCP) is going to treat you like a brat and take the pale and shovel away. There will be a mechanic change (already was to the aggro rules because of this very thing) or nerf/buff and there will be more threads like this with the main difference of an abundance of tears.
The simple truth is that the "rest of us" who are not out harvesting tears and hiding behind some cause or excuse (it's a game, blah blah) for doing it can easily see through those who do. Funny that those who do it cannot see how transparent they are, but as it is historically proven with sociopaths, they never really see themselves.
tl;dr: you are doing it wrong. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1073
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Posted - 2012.01.13 05:50:00 -
[95] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:So to stop those nasty carebears doing incursions, you're going to do them instead?
Doesn't that make you carebears doing incursions as well?
Admit it, you are trying to goth-serve the forums, aren't you? 
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
31
|
Posted - 2012.01.13 06:13:00 -
[96] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:It's like going to Pandora in the Movie Avatar and finding strip malls and condos everywhere. So essentially what you're saying is that incursions are, all in all, one hell of a lot more fun and involve considerably less dying than you expected? |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1073
|
Posted - 2012.01.13 06:48:00 -
[97] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:It's like going to Pandora in the Movie Avatar and finding strip malls and condos everywhere. So essentially what you're saying is that incursions are, all in all, one hell of a lot more fun and involve considerably less dying than you expected?
No.
The live events were epic.
What they lead up to was not epic.
As for fun? Yeah in the first day when wrecks littered the skies but as soon as people learned how to "game the system" - being a game after all - it got boring. I tried for a while to do noob pugs because the elitism crept in much faster than expected and the noobs were just trying to play the game for fun. Still have the dual RR phoon with logi drones and a cap that can't die to prove it.
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Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Narwhals Ate My Duck
93
|
Posted - 2012.01.13 07:00:00 -
[98] - Quote
Hahaha, I got black listed for posting in this thread. Cos yeah, I run incursions SOOOOO often!! Bunch of tools....  |

Ahrieman
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
11
|
Posted - 2012.01.13 07:12:00 -
[99] - Quote
Tear Extraction? Griefing Wussbears?
Makes me almost wish I could go into high sec. ALMOST....... |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
31
|
Posted - 2012.01.13 07:22:00 -
[100] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:It's like going to Pandora in the Movie Avatar and finding strip malls and condos everywhere. So essentially what you're saying is that incursions are, all in all, one hell of a lot more fun and involve considerably less dying than you expected? No. The live events were epic. What they lead up to was not epic. As for fun? Yeah in the first day when wrecks littered the skies but as soon as people learned how to "game the system" - being a game after all - it got boring. I tried for a while to do noob pugs because the elitism crept in much faster than expected and the noobs were just trying to play the game for fun. Still have the dual RR phoon with logi drones and a cap that can't die to prove it. I was joking And insinuating that strip malls and condos are a lot more fun and involve considerably less dying than going to Pandora. Which may or may not be accurate dependent on how friendly those blue chicks are. |
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Tallian Saotome
Casa Del Wombat
328
|
Posted - 2012.01.13 07:49:00 -
[101] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:It's like going to Pandora in the Movie Avatar and finding strip malls and condos everywhere. So essentially what you're saying is that incursions are, all in all, one hell of a lot more fun and involve considerably less dying than you expected? No. The live events were epic. What they lead up to was not epic. As for fun? Yeah in the first day when wrecks littered the skies but as soon as people learned how to "game the system" - being a game after all - it got boring. I tried for a while to do noob pugs because the elitism crept in much faster than expected and the noobs were just trying to play the game for fun. Still have the dual RR phoon with logi drones and a cap that can't die to prove it. I was joking  And insinuating that strip malls and condos are a lot more fun and involve considerably less dying than going to Pandora. Which may or may not be accurate dependent on how friendly those blue chicks are.
If you recall those blue chicks were 3 times the size of a marine.
DEATH BY SNOO SNOO!!!! o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2012.01.13 08:18:00 -
[102] - Quote
Quote: New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners
- Krissada
- Aiwha
- Oxandrolone
- Jack Miton
- KrakizBad
- Chitsa Jason
- Senn Denroth
- Andy Sharvas
- Soho Joe
- Typherian
- Londor Rogers
- Asurymen
- Lyrrashae
- Poloturion
- Freundliches Feuer
- Jovan Geldon
- Ana K
- Alexandra Kulikov
- Hidden Fremen
- Tallian Saotome
- Khoda Khan
It is time. |

Tallian Saotome
Casa Del Wombat
328
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Posted - 2012.01.13 08:21:00 -
[103] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Quote: New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners
- Krissada
- Aiwha
- Oxandrolone
- Jack Miton
- KrakizBad
- Chitsa Jason
- Senn Denroth
- Andy Sharvas
- Soho Joe
- Typherian
- Londor Rogers
- Asurymen
- Lyrrashae
- Poloturion
- Freundliches Feuer
- Jovan Geldon
- Ana K
- Alexandra Kulikov
- Hidden Fremen
- Tallian Saotome
- Khoda Khan
It is time. WOOT! I'm banned from incursions     o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Tian Nu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.01.13 08:42:00 -
[104] - Quote
I never understand ppl that cry about ppl making ISK on way or another, you better cry to CCP about margin trading cos if you set 3 characters in trading hubs amarr, jita and galente you are making ISK even Chriba canGÇÖt handle. So what you gona doo blow up Jita 4-4 ? Like someone say GÇÿnatural selection babyGÇÖ. To help you out only need 3/6 pilots vaga + 100 MWD bump out of range logi and look the fleet die. But youre action means **** cos there are still hundred of boots making ISK 24/7.
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Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
32
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Posted - 2012.01.13 09:20:00 -
[105] - Quote
Tian Nu wrote:I never understand ppl that cry about ppl making ISK on way or another, you better cry to CCP about margin trading cos if you set 3 characters in trading hubs amarr, jita and galente you are making ISK even Chriba canGÇÖt handle. So what you gona doo blow up Jita 4-4 ? Like someone say GÇÿnatural selection babyGÇÖ. To help you out only need 3/6 pilots vaga + 100 MWD bump out of range logi and look the fleet die. But youre action means **** cos there are still hundred of boots making ISK 24/7.
Posting to confirm boots and other kinds of over-sized shoes are definitely making ISK 24/7. |

Freundliches Feuer
Exanimo Inc Noir. Mercenary Group
1
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Posted - 2012.01.13 12:05:00 -
[106] - Quote
Me too brah, Hi 5 :D |

Bienator II
madmen of the skies
503
|
Posted - 2012.01.13 13:13:00 -
[107] - Quote
banned from what? and who banned you? a new bounty system for eve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=359105
You fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail you fail to jump because you are cloaked |

fuer0n
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
63
|
Posted - 2012.01.13 18:03:00 -
[108] - Quote
jimmyjam wrote:The only thing your doing is taking a gang on PVE romp good job on sticking it to the man bro 
BTL PUB - save the mom gank fleet forming need ecm boats......................they can aford to do it too  |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
199
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Posted - 2012.01.13 18:22:00 -
[109] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Quote: New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners
- Krissada
- Aiwha
- Oxandrolone
- Jack Miton
- KrakizBad
- Chitsa Jason
- Senn Denroth
- Andy Sharvas
- Soho Joe
- Typherian
- Londor Rogers
- Asurymen
- Lyrrashae
- Poloturion
- Freundliches Feuer
- Jovan Geldon
- Ana K
- Alexandra Kulikov
- Hidden Fremen
- Tallian Saotome
- Khoda Khan
It is time.
I'm banned from something I never joined, never visited, probably never got within 30 jumps of, and never cared about. 
Holy crap they mad. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |

Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
34
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Posted - 2012.01.13 18:36:00 -
[110] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Krissada wrote:Quote: New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners
- Krissada
- Aiwha
- Oxandrolone
- Jack Miton
- KrakizBad
- Chitsa Jason
- Senn Denroth
- Andy Sharvas
- Soho Joe
- Typherian
- Londor Rogers
- Asurymen
- Lyrrashae
- Poloturion
- Freundliches Feuer
- Jovan Geldon
- Ana K
- Alexandra Kulikov
- Hidden Fremen
- Tallian Saotome
- Khoda Khan
It is time. I'm banned from something I never joined, never visited, probably never got within 30 jumps of, and never cared about.  Holy crap they mad. Why the hell am I not on this list? DAMN YOU BTL I WANT ON THE LIST WITH THE OTHER COOL KIDS! Don't make me come over there and ECM boat your ass. |
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
13
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Posted - 2012.01.13 18:45:00 -
[111] - Quote
Incurbears wrote: New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners
- Krissada
- Aiwha
- Oxandrolone
- Jack Miton
- KrakizBad
- Chitsa Jason
- Senn Denroth
- Andy Sharvas
- Soho Joe
- Typherian
- Londor Rogers
- Asurymen
- Lyrrashae
- Poloturion
- Freundliches Feuer
- Jovan Geldon
- Ana K
- Alexandra Kulikov
- Hidden Fremen
- Tallian Saotome
- Khoda Khan
UMADBRO?
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Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
70
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Posted - 2012.01.13 19:15:00 -
[112] - Quote
Substantia Nigra wrote:Pi-Ei One wrote:Oh, it took only 6 months of whining over incursions over and over again to form up a thread like this?
LOL, thread-forming is one thing ... actually doing it is another altogether. Prediction? Either: 1. It's all too hard to actually do something, OP talks hot for a while longer and then quietly disappears; or 2. OP is a little more than just hot-air and actually gets something going ... and perhaps even scores a small victory. Then OP discovers the pyrrhic nature of that victory and spends a lot of time afterwards running and hiding ... and bleating at being victimised by the wrath-of-carebears. Either way is gonna feed some chuckles for some and bleats and moans for others. 'tis just the nature of eve.
Yeah, pretty much. OP better know what he's doing otherwise he's gonna get owned and outplayed by the bears. Getting popcorn ready.
. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1074
|
Posted - 2012.01.13 22:42:00 -
[113] - Quote
Deen Wispa wrote:Substantia Nigra wrote:Pi-Ei One wrote:Oh, it took only 6 months of whining over incursions over and over again to form up a thread like this?
LOL, thread-forming is one thing ... actually doing it is another altogether. Prediction? Either: 1. It's all too hard to actually do something, OP talks hot for a while longer and then quietly disappears; or 2. OP is a little more than just hot-air and actually gets something going ... and perhaps even scores a small victory. Then OP discovers the pyrrhic nature of that victory and spends a lot of time afterwards running and hiding ... and bleating at being victimised by the wrath-of-carebears. Either way is gonna feed some chuckles for some and bleats and moans for others. 'tis just the nature of eve. Yeah, pretty much. OP better know what he's doing otherwise he's gonna get owned and outplayed by the bears. Getting popcorn ready.
So if a corporation existed for the purpose of taking down moms, for any reason - even an RP reason, we have incursion farmers who will hire mercs and dec them too, to stop them.
So the result would be the same, even without the OP, without all that "tears" crap, and without even any malice towards incursions.
Definitely a problem with the incursion mom mechanics. And once something turns into an ISK pump like tech moons, it's like a government welfare program: impossible to get rid of.
That thing needs to despawn and take every LP and bit of ISK with it when it gets away without being destroyed. And when that happens, we will see the farmers cry a river of tears.
I hope that I am not the only one who gets tired of all that entitlement mentality out there. Makes me think such people deserve to be scammed, blobbed, ganked, and have their corps robbed. Or maybe I been hanging around here too long. Who knows.
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orion scimatarii
Triton Research Illuminati.
0
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Posted - 2012.01.14 00:15:00 -
[114] - Quote
Incursion denial flet consists of up to 20 griffin ships and 5 blackbirds
ECM suicide the unsuspecting targets, the LOGI get ECM'd everytime theres confirmed reps going on. Suicide blackbird ECM ships target the main DPS. The rage tears in local as our wrecks fill their gun ports, Laugh at them. CCP the butterfly effect can explain this:
1) You create massive risk free isk farming method and you say you want to create an isk sink. 2) Boys and Girls of EVE are shocked that you would be sooooo hypocritical 3) The children of EVE work to your first objective to make it an isk sink
Also, in future: if you want to do this OP do it with gusto. Set a corp up with 100% tax rate, description should read: "Anti-Incursion highsec Pirates"
Let us play OUR game CCP, the way you intended it for. |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
504
|
Posted - 2012.01.14 00:16:00 -
[115] - Quote
I would join this in a heartbeat.
Except for two things, best i can fly well is a Harb, and I have never done an Incursion (though have done fleet missions with my corp... small scale but might be enough).
But I will join the channel next time I'm in game. At least I could help with planning. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1075
|
Posted - 2012.01.14 04:32:00 -
[116] - Quote
There seems to be some confusion here.
It's concluded that the best way to beat incursions, is to take down the mothership so it can't be just left there so people can farm sites.
All that "griefing" business is out the window. It's childish and CCP will end up treating it like brats misbehaving in the sandbox. Those who you would claim to be "greifing" can brag that they will replace their losses in a mere hour or two, and a good lot of them would be correct.
On the first day of incursions as they presently are, I did what thousands of others did and took a mission drake into a site and lost it in such a manner that had there been an audience, I would have had to nail the doors of the house shut and burn it down with everybody inside.
The field was littered with dead drakes, domis, fleet stabbers, you name it - with faction and deadspace mods too.
But even a salvage rifter with nanos and MWD could get one-shotted so much for scap-dogging.
But look at it now: people have this figured out. Losses are low. Yes there appears to be a balance around the logi - I've seen logis go down and before the group escapes two or three battleships are lost.
All the "griefers" have to do, if you really want to deny ISK, is finish off the mothership.
This means that all you need is a team big enough, and has it's act together enough, to go in, take down the mom, get out. Period. There's not even PVP involved... until those grinding the sites get peeved and dec the "mom killers" or send mercs at them, something they got the cash to do.
I don't know how many ships it takes to take on that site. I've taken rookie ships to the mom site to have a look and it's as close to an NPC gate camp as you can imagine. If CCP had NPC ships doing camps instead of leaving it to other players, and set them up like that mothership site, they could close off entire sections of space.
But enough people with the right combination of ships and skills, and all you need is a mom take-down team that gets the job done rapidly. Incursion over.
I say this because it's bothersomely bad mechanics to let that thing sit for days while grinding sites. It just plain feels like a bad mistake. Do we let one last ship in a level 4 mission or a sanctum stay alive and tank it until more show up and ship-farm those sites? Can a sleeper combat site be strung along like that? No. (though I have seen sleepers respawn in sits much to my shock and surprise).
Be an adult about this, think about it, get a good crew together, and it's doable. |

Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
106
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Posted - 2012.01.14 05:04:00 -
[117] - Quote
**** off enough highsec incursion bears and you probably will just get decced out of existence, a few hours incursioning will pay for decent mercs. |

ShipToaster
91
|
Posted - 2012.01.14 05:32:00 -
[118] - Quote
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:**** off enough highsec incursion bears and you probably will just get decced out of existence, a few hours incursioning will pay for decent mercs.
Doubtful as they could easily implement a 100 corp decshield to make wars against them cost five billion a week. 100 not enough, then maybe 200 will do it, or 500.
Or maybe they just want the fights.
Will mercs even do anything to help carebears now when carebears are whining the entire merc wardec system to death? The only contact I want to have with eve university is if I can have them all ****** to death by space robo donkeys.
Griefing CCP - Bounties for E-Uni Ganking: action continues. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=343354#post343354 |

Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
506
|
Posted - 2012.01.14 05:40:00 -
[119] - Quote
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:**** off enough highsec incursion bears and you probably will just get decced out of existence, a few hours incursioning will pay for decent mercs. I'll live with being in an NPC corp if it means CCP will look at the abuse of Incursions.
And Herzog, I agree fully with what you said. If we make this about "tears" and such, CCP will not consider this an issue and just look at us as another Hulkaggedon type thing.
Count me in (I think I said that already but oh well). A large enough fleet and that Mom will go down, even without great skill.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
828
|
Posted - 2012.01.14 07:08:00 -
[120] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Krissada wrote:Quote: New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners
- Krissada
- Aiwha
- Oxandrolone
- Jack Miton
- KrakizBad
- Chitsa Jason
- Senn Denroth
- Andy Sharvas
- Soho Joe
- Typherian
- Londor Rogers
- Asurymen
- Lyrrashae
- Poloturion
- Freundliches Feuer
- Jovan Geldon
- Ana K
- Alexandra Kulikov
- Hidden Fremen
- Tallian Saotome
- Khoda Khan
It is time. I'm banned from something I never joined, never visited, probably never got within 30 jumps of, and never cared about.  Holy crap they mad. Why the hell am I not on this list? DAMN YOU BTL I WANT ON THE LIST WITH THE OTHER COOL KIDS! Don't make me come over there and ECM boat your ass.
Why I no make list???
(Gò»-¦Gûí-¦n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ |
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Disdaine
197
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Posted - 2012.01.14 07:43:00 -
[121] - Quote
orion scimatarii wrote: 1) You create massive risk free isk farming method and you say you want to create an isk sink. 2) Boys and Girls of EVE are shocked that you would be sooooo hypocritical 3) The children of EVE work to your first objective to make it an isk sink
4) Thus proving it was never a risk free isk faucet.
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Pi-Ei One
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.14 11:28:00 -
[122] - Quote
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:**** off enough highsec incursion bears and you probably will just get decced out of existence, a few hours incursioning will pay for decent mercs.
Create/use alt, join noobcorp. Problem solved?
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Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2012.01.14 23:59:00 -
[123] - Quote
Oh my ... oh my my my. 2 hours, 2 incursions down.
The second one we even let them kill their own mom and I quote!
Quote:Teroh Vizjereij > They won now though .. since we kill the mom before withdraw
Quote:Igor Kutnutzov > WE turn off our own isk faucet
Quote:weasil421 > brick squad just knocked out the brand new incursion and they are on their way over to gallente to do that one and the other as well
Quote: Kranyoldlady > anyone that wants to standby for the next mom get to Lisudeh and show me your fit
^beautiful. They have their 70 man fleet waiting for us to come and kill the mom. They are "guarding" the site. LOL.
We'd like to do this again and with more people. We were lacking numbers on this round and it did make everything slower so we only managed to down 2 out of 3 incursions. But guess what - sunday is gonna be a ******* busy day to be an incursion runner ... anyone said ECM gank boats? 
PICS!!!!!!1111 http://i.imgur.com/I3JNz.jpg |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
37
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 00:03:00 -
[124] - Quote
Quote: get to lisudeh we're doing the kundalini Server IP: 87.252.5.160 Password: deltole. orders are to get there and stand by until more instructions - fly with hardeners on, move in groups, and drop shiny mods.
Lovely 80 man fleet motd is lovely. |

RiskyFrisky
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
12
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Posted - 2012.01.15 00:05:00 -
[125] - Quote
Brilliant run.
My Armor Drake survived guys!
ARMOR DRAKE FOR THE WIN! |

G0hme
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
2
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Posted - 2012.01.15 00:25:00 -
[126] - Quote
Head out with my Blackbird squad or kill MOMs.... Sooooo many choices.....!!!!
Who needs shinies when all you have to do gather 39 Brick Squad, Skunkworks and Kill it with Fire in T1 BS and Guardians, to turn of the isk faucets. Go back to mining ya bears!
Alpha Mike Foxtrot |

Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
71
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 00:33:00 -
[127] - Quote
Psychotic Monk for CSM. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
831
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 00:41:00 -
[128] - Quote
Psychotic Monk wrote:Psychotic Monk for CSM.
The mustache says "It's ok, I will hold you till it's safe" |

mirel yirrin
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
3
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 00:57:00 -
[129] - Quote
Some commentators are already calling this the Grief of the Century.
More news as it comes in. |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
37
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 01:00:00 -
[130] - Quote
LOL - Yeah CCP get to fixing.
Quote:DethDodge > CCP should hurry up and fix the incursion system so we don't have to go pussyfooting around MOM's like they're made of glass.
Kill it with fire - Skunks - Bricks
I heart you all!    |
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mirel yirrin
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
3
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 01:03:00 -
[131] - Quote
Krissada wrote:LOL - Yeah CCP get to fixing. Quote:DethDodge > CCP should hurry up and fix the incursion system so we don't have to go pussyfooting around MOM's like they're made of glass. Kill it with fire - Skunks - Bricks I heart you all!   
Yeah! Those things pop in like three seconds. Our entire fleet was just t1 frigates and interceptors! FIX THIS ASAP CCP OR I WILL UNSUB MY SIX ACCOUNTS AND PLAY WoT.
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mirel yirrin
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
3
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 01:06:00 -
[132] - Quote
Psychotic Monk wrote:Psychotic Monk for CSM.
That's a strange way to spell 'Darius for CSM'.
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
205
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 01:07:00 -
[133] - Quote
So I hear the ban I got from one of the incursion lists doesn't have any effect today.  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
37
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 01:08:00 -
[134] - Quote
Quote: Chira'Relael > it's a principle. they took down ONE mom and forced BTL a second so now KISANA is the only HISEC INCURSION up
Quote: Snowy Phoenix > so are they are just trying to grief us, and we're what...popping our own incursions before they can do it for us? Chira'Relael > yes GRIEFING Brahlen > but if we blow up the mom here arent we just doing their job for them Snowy Phoenix > thats exactly what i'm saying brahlen, doesn't make sense
Sense ... IT MAKES NONE!!! |

Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
8
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 01:16:00 -
[135] - Quote
Bah Ha I'm flying through null and low sec and I've heard at least 20 peeps crying that their alts can't farm incursion sites now. |

mirel yirrin
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
3
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 01:20:00 -
[136] - Quote
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:Bah Ha I'm flying through null and low sec and I've heard at least 20 peeps crying that their alts can't farm incursion sites now.
This grief brought to you by brick squad and friendsGäó
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Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
9
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 01:33:00 -
[137] - Quote
Never forget WE ARE GOD! As quoted by DaBouncer
[23:39:24] Sojet > that was one fast incursion [23:39:46] DaBouncer > its some stupid ashole who thinks he is god [23:40:00] DaBouncer > by killing the mom straight away |

Degarion Soth
Destructive Influence Northern Coalition.
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 01:36:00 -
[138] - Quote
Quote: This grief brought to you by brick squad and friendsGäó
How disappointing I was hoping someone relevant was behind this.
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Nirnias Stirrum
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
9
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 01:39:00 -
[139] - Quote
Yeh its not like a CSm was heading it at all.. that would just be silly. who mentioned a CSM anyways. YOUR ALL CRAZY! |

mirel yirrin
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
6
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 01:43:00 -
[140] - Quote
Degarion Soth wrote:Quote: This grief brought to you by brick squad and friendsGäó
How disappointing I was hoping someone relevant was behind this.
You sound very bitter, my friend. Is it because you haven't griefed anyone lately? Grief frustration can lead to all sorts of serious cardiovascular conditions later in life. It's important to maintain a healthy heart - try getting regular exercise. A good way to start is to pod bait some newfriends outside hub stations. That'll let you build up your stamina. Maybe one day you'll be able to grief as hard as us professionals! Who knows? Maybe one day you'll get somewhere in life and people will hate you as much as they hate us! Everyone should have a dream. Even you. |
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Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
465
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Posted - 2012.01.15 02:56:00 -
[141] - Quote
The following does not reflect my views, the views of Interstellar Exodus: or Brick Squad
[quote=mirel yirrin][quote=Degarion Soth]Quote: This grief brought to you by brick squad and friendsGäó
GUYS....Guys....guys Listen. This was NOT a "Brick Squad" Event. Stop saying that please. This was NOT a D3 event. This WAS a Krissada and CRAIM UND PONISMONT op. Special thanks to the unaffiliated people from this very forum who came, kicked butt an dlived to tell the tale. YOU are the reason I play eve. (not really but somewhat true) This was a JOINT VENTURE. Without any members of Kill It With Fire or any of the members of Skunkworks, or even the people from THIS POST or without Krissada this wouldn't have been possible. Everyone played their part and each part was mission critical. I myself and Brick Squad as a whole played only minor roles. The true superstar-as we all know- was the FC.
In the future, the fleets will be larger, more experienced and more coherent. GREAT JOB TO ALL WHO PARTICIPATED.
We are proving that you don't need CCP's involvement to help fix whats wrong with Eve-we can do it ourselves. C&P I adore you.
As far as wardeccing the participants-go ahead-a lot of us had current wars during the op. Please waste your ISK on useless merc corps. We even killed some Privateers while we formed up-good fight
A large portion of the reason Bricks came in is because we were (again) banned from incursion channels because one guy stole some ore from a NMC one time. So after our lone rogue pilot stole 50K worth of Lyavite-these elitist pompous douche faced morons banned my ENTIRE ALLIANCE from their channels which we didnt use much on our mains anyway. So we just cost them a metric F-Tonne of ISK, collectively.
Lets say five fleets of eleven guys each making 100M per hour per incursion: Thats 55 people in 5 fleets, making 100M isk each per hour + or - LP's or, 5.5 Bn PER HOUR and thats PER INCURSION Multiple by 20 hours effective per day for 3 incursions.Hope that banning Brick Squad turned out to be a good idea financially, especially regarding the theft of 50 K of Ore. Ban my whole alliance for one guys actions? I'll help the coalition shut down your entire way of life. Hope you guys enjoy having to contest each and every site. We are still in your channels, we had the buckets ready for your tears, and they are DEEEE-LICIOUSSSSSSSS
Now that it has been done once, it will be often repeated.
I urge the major organizers of incursion fleets to contact me in game. Perhaps we can talk. Or if you prefer, you can contact me after we close the next few down.
Bonus time: I have a GREAT WAY to grief the remaining incursions that is brand new and will generate Olympic Sized Pools of tears. If I dont hear from some of the major incursion FC's soon, I will publish the improved method tomorrow. Think I am bluffing?
How stupid is CCP? So stupid it took them SEVEN YEARS to make a "loot all' Button. |

Angel Lust
Vikinghall
30
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Posted - 2012.01.15 04:04:00 -
[142] - Quote
Remove the CSM now  |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 04:20:00 -
[143] - Quote
http://onebit.us/x/u/KiethPlanck/39ec4e98.jpg
Scout sites are that way Hardon   
Also Armor fleets are a joke L2 |

Soho Joe
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.01.15 05:19:00 -
[144] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Quote: New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners
- Krissada
- Aiwha
- Oxandrolone
- Jack Miton
- KrakizBad
- Chitsa Jason
- Senn Denroth
- Andy Sharvas
- Soho Joe
- Typherian
- Londor Rogers
- Asurymen
- Lyrrashae
- Poloturion
- Freundliches Feuer
- Jovan Geldon
- Ana K
- Alexandra Kulikov
- Hidden Fremen
- Tallian Saotome
- Khoda Khan
It is time. I got banned............... hahahahaha pompus doucher's My main will ban your in game mom...lol This is why I love what the incursion bashers are doin mad props to all who are sticking it to BTL overlords  |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 05:20:00 -
[145] - Quote
NO MUST RESIST THE URGE TO SPEND MORE THEN MINIMAL AMOUNT OF TIME ON THE FORUMS!!! |

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
466
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 05:27:00 -
[146] - Quote
Keith Planck wrote: *already did, well see if you respond*
Not really sure where to go with your mail+forum posting. The following message isn't directed to anyone in particular, but....
Drugs are bad.
How stupid is CCP? So stupid it took them SEVEN YEARS to make a "loot all' Button. |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 05:30:00 -
[147] - Quote
Darius III wrote:Keith Planck wrote: *already did, well see if you respond* Not really sure where to go with your mail+forum posting. The following message isn't directed to anyone in particular, but.... Drugs are bad.
in game please, i avoid the forums like the plague |

Soho Joe
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 05:35:00 -
[148] - Quote
Keith you edited you last post???? Why? Sooooooooo your seperated from BTL? now its the armor crew thats the ebil ones?.....Meh I still might war dec ya just for giggles. Im sure you got lot of alts to run youur incursions but oh well. |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 05:43:00 -
[149] - Quote
Soho Joe wrote:Keith you edited you last post???? Why? Sooooooooo your seperated from BTL? now its the armor crew thats the ebil ones?.....Meh I still might war dec ya just for giggles. Im sure you got lot of alts to run youur incursions but oh well.
im not apart of BTL although... http://onebit.us/x/u/KiethPlanck/4dc34cf5.jpg yeah speaks for itself
war decs in general are giggles |

mirel yirrin
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
7
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 08:11:00 -
[150] - Quote
Darius III wrote:The following does not reflect my views, the views of Interstellar Exodus: or Brick Squad [quote=mirel yirrin][quote=Degarion Soth] Quote: This grief brought to you by brick squad and friendsGäó
GUYS....Guys....guys Listen. This was NOT a "Brick Squad" Event. Stop saying that please.
Oops! Sorry man, I didn't mean to suggest that at all. Was very much a group effort!
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Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
38
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 17:06:00 -
[151] - Quote
The tear faucet is still running today 
Quote:*Crying victim* > ... i hate when people are dicks just to be dicks
*Crying victim* > they need to get over their inadequacies in their own life and realize that just because your behind a computer screen doesnt mean you have to abondon all your manners |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 17:30:00 -
[152] - Quote
if you ever feel like chatting again darious just hit me up i dont hold grudges :)
i must say, that went much better then expected though ^o^ |

Admiral Eli
Vae-Victus
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 18:03:00 -
[153] - Quote
I did not know about BTL banning Brick Squad from the channel/fleets. So I am all with you for some revenge incursion take downs, but there are other groups (including 0.0 alts) trying to make the ISK up here. Probably a little harsh trying to prevent everyone altogether from making the ISKies to fund their pvp or plex and play the game as they want to? As for CCP, sure they are a tad slow but they will fix whats broken... eventually :) |

CeneUJiti
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.01.15 18:08:00 -
[154] - Quote
Admiral Eli wrote:I did not know about BTL banning Brick Squad from the channel/fleets. So I am all with you for some revenge incursion take downs, but there are other groups (including 0.0 alts) trying to make the ISK up here. Probably a little harsh trying to prevent everyone altogether from making the ISKies to fund their pvp or plex and play the game as they want to? As for CCP, sure they are a tad slow but they will fix whats broken... eventually :)
This.
I'll be honest. Making your ISK with little risk and then going to warzones to become or create KM is a bit cheating the system. But incursion money is/was finally allowing me to engage in fights and not be all "oh ill just lose, better wait for better chance." Why the hell do I need all fancy T2 ships trained if I can't fly them in glorious battle. |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 18:19:00 -
[155] - Quote
CeneUJiti wrote:Admiral Eli wrote:I did not know about BTL banning Brick Squad from the channel/fleets. So I am all with you for some revenge incursion take downs, but there are other groups (including 0.0 alts) trying to make the ISK up here. Probably a little harsh trying to prevent everyone altogether from making the ISKies to fund their pvp or plex and play the game as they want to? As for CCP, sure they are a tad slow but they will fix whats broken... eventually :) This. I'll be honest. Making your ISK with little risk and then going to warzones to become or create KM is a bit cheating the system. But incursion money is/was finally allowing me to engage in fights and not be all "oh ill just lose, better wait for better chance." Why the hell do I need all fancy T2 ships trained if I can't fly them in glorious battle.
most awesome killmails are funded by tecmoons and incursions
the more you know
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sacrificiallamb Sasen
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.15 18:35:00 -
[156] - Quote
Quote: [18:25:12] Darius lll > **********************FORMING UP TO KILL MS******************Need few more DPS. We doing armor fleet*********************HAVE BTL AND TDF FC'S CONVO ME TO POSSIBLY PREVENT THIS
looks like you lot into black mail now how sad |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 18:46:00 -
[157] - Quote
sacrificiallamb Sasen wrote:Quote: [18:25:12] Darius lll > **********************FORMING UP TO KILL MS******************Need few more DPS. We doing armor fleet*********************HAVE BTL AND TDF FC'S CONVO ME TO POSSIBLY PREVENT THIS looks like you lot into black mail now how sad
its not blackmail if you dont make any demands :)7 |

NeoShocker
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
94
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Posted - 2012.01.15 18:46:00 -
[158] - Quote
Admiral Eli wrote:I did not know about BTL banning Brick Squad from the channel/fleets. So I am all with you for some revenge incursion take downs, but there are other groups (including 0.0 alts) trying to make the ISK up here. Probably a little harsh trying to prevent everyone altogether from making the ISKies to fund their pvp or plex and play the game as they want to? As for CCP, sure they are a tad slow but they will fix whats broken... eventually :)
Must correct you. BTL did banned ie-ex AND Darius III, but not the alliance, shortly after darius made a post on incursion awhile back. I talkto him and tried to discourage him. I got ie-ex and apparently, Darius III as well, off BTL ban list for channels. Good folks. Can't say the same for TDF tho. I hate armor so I didnt talk to them to unban, until about 3 weeks ago. Ie ex been on banlist on tdf for like, over half a year.
Now ie-ex and i assume, also brick on banlist for BTL, but I cant blame them. But it was apalling that Captain River called us third party fleet "illegal fleet". I heard the "higher up" people view the same in BTL. I expected better.
I talked to TDF to unban ie ex because idiots at incursion relying tdf ban list is also BTL, which isnt true. They had 3 weeks, they told me they would discuss, and I did not get any word or results of the outcome. Though I did not tell Darius this, even now. I help Darius III with his campaign, mainly to take back at TDF. Not really want to stop isk flowing for shields peeps, but something had to be done. If I wasn't there, it may not succeed or maybe the outcome may be different, I dont know. But I follow Darius III to support him :-) It might be the last time I support Darius III on incursions, unless he personally ask me.
I can say Darius III was super happy with the result, and he was very wary of the joint campaign and expecting heavy losses.
It is still surprising BTL to add people, corp, and alliances to be banned on their channels for just doing mom sites. Just because we are stopping isk flow. I know TDF are idiots, but I guess BTL is as well. :-( |

mirel yirrin
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
8
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Posted - 2012.01.15 18:53:00 -
[159] - Quote
Phew, I'm so glad I'm not banned from doing incursions in high-sec. That would be so awful, wow. |

Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
27
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Posted - 2012.01.15 18:56:00 -
[160] - Quote
LOL pubbies calling the mom fleets "illegal". Christ CCP needs to nerf incursions 6 ways back to sunday and declare the current farming a exploit as this is ridiculous. |
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sacrificiallamb Sasen
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.15 19:19:00 -
[161] - Quote
Keith Planck wrote:sacrificiallamb Sasen wrote:Quote: [18:25:12] Darius lll > **********************FORMING UP TO KILL MS******************Need few more DPS. We doing armor fleet*********************HAVE BTL AND TDF FC'S CONVO ME TO POSSIBLY PREVENT THIS looks like you lot into black mail now how sad its not blackmail if you dont make any demands :)7
Quote:[19:06:12] Darius lll > 500 M *IS* nothing but it is enough for me not to form up
you was saying lmao what a joke of a forum thread
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Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.15 19:20:00 -
[162] - Quote
Jack Tronic wrote:LOL pubbies calling the mom fleets "illegal". Christ CCP needs to nerf incursions 6 ways back to sunday and declare the current farming a exploit as this is ridiculous.
http://mylittlefacewhen.com/search/?tags=mad |

Tian Nu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2012.01.15 19:38:00 -
[163] - Quote
i got no clue what you ppl are up to 
but you seem to enjoy youre selft that what eve is all about it  |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:21:00 -
[164] - Quote
Tian Nu wrote:i got no clue what you ppl are up to  but you seem to enjoy youre self that what eve is all about  PS. did you guys make any fraps ?
The good bits are all in Teamspeak   |

Khoda Khan
Tolerancia Nihilum
0
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Posted - 2012.01.15 21:00:00 -
[165] - Quote
Krissada wrote: New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners
- Khoda Khan
So someone banned me from something for some reason.
Always wanted my name in the spotlights. I'll have to settle for this. |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.15 21:16:00 -
[166] - Quote
Khoda Khan wrote:Krissada wrote: New Mass Bans - Reason: griefer thread targeting incursion runners
- Khoda Khan
So someone banned me from something for some reason. Always wanted my name in the spotlights. I'll have to settle for this.
its not that hard, i usually get banned for cybering with my alts in BTL PUB http://onebit.us/x/u/KiethPlanck/4fe4a037.jpg |

Khoda Khan
Tolerancia Nihilum
0
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Posted - 2012.01.15 22:29:00 -
[167] - Quote
I haven't logged in to play in over a year and I still manage some kind of ban by someone or some group I couldn't care the least about. I find such things entertaining.
Perhaps I'm merely easily entertained. |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.16 00:08:00 -
[168] - Quote
Khoda Khan wrote:I haven't logged in to play in over a year and I still manage some kind of ban by someone or some group I couldn't care the least about. I find such things entertaining. Perhaps I'm merely easily entertained.
makes you feel loved <3 http://mlfw.info/f/2149/ |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2012.01.16 00:36:00 -
[169] - Quote
B-E-A-U-TIFUL
1. Kill two incursions on saturday. 2. Throw all the incursion bears into one constellation reaching over 600 incursion runners. 3. Start up grief fleets. 4. ??? 5. Killing 7-8 nightmares, 5-6 machariels, basilisk, t1 battleships with caldari navy invuls... 6. Place tear buckets under griefed pilots in eve voice.
I LOVE YOU ALL |

Arbalt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.16 00:41:00 -
[170] - Quote
It was an honour to listen to Darius laugh like an idiot, on eve voice, before the fleet has even started to die. |
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Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.16 00:54:00 -
[171] - Quote
Krissada wrote:B-E-A-U-TIFUL
1. Kill two incursions on saturday. 2. Throw all the incursion bears into one constellation reaching over 600 incursion runners. 3. Start up grief fleets. 4. ??? 5. Killing 7-8 nightmares, 5-6 machariels, basilisk, t1 battleships with caldari navy invuls... 6. Place tear buckets under griefed pilots in eve voice.
I LOVE YOU ALL
1.technically you only killed one, BTL got the other 2. for those who win contests, this is a blessing <3 3. easy 4. there is no 4? 5. it was actualy 1 nightmare, 1 hypersion, 1 basi, 1 scimitar, i think a tengu? and a vigil :) 6. the tears were pretty nice
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Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
1
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Posted - 2012.01.16 00:56:00 -
[172] - Quote
You seem to have missed the other suicide fleets we did.. |

G0hme
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
2
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Posted - 2012.01.16 00:56:00 -
[173] - Quote
Keith Planck wrote:Krissada wrote:B-E-A-U-TIFUL
1. Kill two incursions on saturday. 2. Throw all the incursion bears into one constellation reaching over 600 incursion runners. 3. Start up grief fleets. 4. ??? 5. Killing 7-8 nightmares, 5-6 machariels, basilisk, t1 battleships with caldari navy invuls... 6. Place tear buckets under griefed pilots in eve voice.
I LOVE YOU ALL 1.technically you only killed one, BTL got the other 2. for those who win contests, this is a blessing <3 3. easy 4. there is no 4? 5. it was actualy 1 nightmare, 1 hypersion, 1 basi, 1 scimitar, i think a tengu? and a vigil :) 6. the tears were pretty nice
Oh but you forget the 2 fleets before that one..... scrub |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
40
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Posted - 2012.01.16 01:05:00 -
[174] - Quote
get outta here you dumb numb carebear KEITH PLANCK |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.16 01:12:00 -
[175] - Quote
Arbalt wrote:It was an honour to listen to Darius laugh like an idiot, on eve voice, before the fleet has even started to die.
+1 also was the best part |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.16 01:13:00 -
[176] - Quote
Hoxothul wrote:You seem to have missed the other suicide fleets we did..
you are correct i was not there for those, my mistake  |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.16 01:15:00 -
[177] - Quote
Krissada wrote:get outta here you dumb numb carebear KEITH PLANCK
http://mlfw.info/f/2171/ |

NeoShocker
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
95
|
Posted - 2012.01.16 01:27:00 -
[178] - Quote
Keith Planck wrote:Krissada wrote:B-E-A-U-TIFUL
1. Kill two incursions on saturday. 2. Throw all the incursion bears into one constellation reaching over 600 incursion runners. 3. Start up grief fleets. 4. ??? 5. Killing 7-8 nightmares, 5-6 machariels, basilisk, t1 battleships with caldari navy invuls... 6. Place tear buckets under griefed pilots in eve voice.
I LOVE YOU ALL 1.technically you only killed one, BTL got the other 2. for those who win contests, this is a blessing <3 3. easy 4. there is no 4? 5. it was actualy 1 nightmare, 1 hypersion, 1 basi, 1 scimitar, i think a tengu? and a vigil :) 6. the tears were pretty nice
#1 is correct, but must point out that the plan was to force the other fleet to finish the site. It succeeded. |

Mimeo
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.16 02:05:00 -
[179] - Quote
Keith Planck wrote:Hoxothul wrote:You seem to have missed the other suicide fleets we did.. you are correct i was not there for those, my mistake 
Prolly be a good idea to have your facts in order before you go spouting off at the mouth. |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.16 02:11:00 -
[180] - Quote
Mimeo wrote:Keith Planck wrote:Hoxothul wrote:You seem to have missed the other suicide fleets we did.. you are correct i was not there for those, my mistake  Prolly be a good idea to have your facts in order before you go spouting off at the mouth.
too much effort http://mlfw.info/f/104/ |
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Alex Veritae
Seven Trumpets Support Co. Raining Doom
0
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Posted - 2012.01.16 04:58:00 -
[181] - Quote
I must admit I'm looking forward to all the entertaining replies I can only assume that post will get thanks for entertaining me Gents. |

Alex Veritae
Seven Trumpets Support Co. Raining Doom
0
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Posted - 2012.01.16 04:59:00 -
[182] - Quote
I find this hilarious. You do realize that if these alts are really from mains that are in 0.0 and they are pvpers it is entirely possible that they decide they've had enough and come ecm YOUR logis in mom fleets right? You're just putting all your griefers in one basket and begging to get attacked. Personally I have enough ISK to pvp for a while without needing a place to make isk and I'd much prefer to be fighting live people than some computer AI, but here's my thoughts.
#1 ok I'll grant you it is a little odd not to kill the target or a assault when it's available #2 Yes you may make some carebare tears and maybe get some revenge. #3 the problem here is that while carebares care about their ISK YOU care about your KB #4 if the carebares are smart they turn the tables on you take a page from your playbook and gank YOU #5 You have a few jars of tears carebares get bucket fulls of yours when your KB shows up with 10-20 ships killed by rats.
Will they do it? who knows. If what pvpers everywhere say about carebares is true then they probably wont figure it out, but even if they don't interest in this will wane and at most you'll have forced a few carebares to learn to pvp enough to move out and plex. It isn't exactly like those who form mega alliances and rent out aren't doing exactly the same thing. They don't need to be "able" to fight and hold their space they just throw all the isk they earned from renters into massive cap and subcap fleets and blob until their opponent cant afford to field a fleet. In the end everyone in eve is a greedy a***** we all want enough isk to fly the ships we dream of at night and we all to an extent know not to fly what we cant afford to lose. Thus we all search for that golden opportunity to make quick isk. You may look down on these incubares, but by the same token you aren't much different. You are out for kills, and not enough people are coming out to null for plexs or techmoons so you seek to force your prey out of highsec. The problem to all of this is if you grief the people who supply the markets enough and they skyrocket the prices we will ALL be in pain. The Industry titans will ALWAYS have the rest of us by the B**ls and thats true in life as well as in the game. Don't like it? Get your own Captain of industry but wait.... then you're just the same as the people you despise. If they don't like it they could get PVP characters and go toe to toe with you! Wait.... They hate us pvpers as much as we hate carebares. Here's the bottom line without these isk hungry carebares the market prices would kill people's ability to pvp at the current level, and without us gun happy jerks who get itchy trigger fingers when we see pods in highsec and people autopiloting around few ships would be lost and there would be no demand. The truth is they need us and we need them it's a cycle people. You want to TRULLY get rid of carebares. you have to be one yourself. Unless everyone makes his or her own stuff and only uses what they can make themselves there will always be this dichotomy. |

Alex Veritae
Seven Trumpets Support Co. Raining Doom
0
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Posted - 2012.01.16 04:59:00 -
[183] - Quote
lol and my second post hit before my first for some reason wow :) Fail forum post |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.16 05:27:00 -
[184] - Quote
Alex Veritae wrote:I find this hilarious. You do realize that if these alts are really from mains that are in 0.0 and they are pvpers it is entirely possible that they decide they've had enough and come ecm YOUR logis in mom fleets right? You're just putting all your griefers in one basket and begging to get attacked. Personally I have enough ISK to pvp for a while without needing a place to make isk and I'd much prefer to be fighting live people than some computer AI, but here's my thoughts.
#1 ok I'll grant you it is a little odd not to kill the target or a assault when it's available #2 Yes you may make some carebare tears and maybe get some revenge. #3 the problem here is that while carebares care about their ISK YOU care about your KB #4 if the carebares are smart they turn the tables on you take a page from your playbook and gank YOU #5 You have a few jars of tears carebares get bucket fulls of yours when your KB shows up with 10-20 ships killed by rats.
Will they do it? who knows. If what pvpers everywhere say about carebares is true then they probably wont figure it out, but even if they don't interest in this will wane and at most you'll have forced a few carebares to learn to pvp enough to move out and plex. It isn't exactly like those who form mega alliances and rent out aren't doing exactly the same thing. They don't need to be "able" to fight and hold their space they just throw all the isk they earned from renters into massive cap and subcap fleets and blob until their opponent cant afford to field a fleet. In the end everyone in eve is a greedy a***** we all want enough isk to fly the ships we dream of at night and we all to an extent know not to fly what we cant afford to lose. Thus we all search for that golden opportunity to make quick isk. You may look down on these incubares, but by the same token you aren't much different. You are out for kills, and not enough people are coming out to null for plexs or techmoons so you seek to force your prey out of highsec. The problem to all of this is if you grief the people who supply the markets enough and they skyrocket the prices we will ALL be in pain. The Industry titans will ALWAYS have the rest of us by the B**ls and thats true in life as well as in the game. Don't like it? Get your own Captain of industry but wait.... then you're just the same as the people you despise. If they don't like it they could get PVP characters and go toe to toe with you! Wait.... They hate us pvpers as much as we hate carebares. Here's the bottom line without these isk hungry carebares the market prices would kill people's ability to pvp at the current level, and without us gun happy jerks who get itchy trigger fingers when we see pods in highsec and people autopiloting around few ships would be lost and there would be no demand. The truth is they need us and we need them it's a cycle people. You want to TRULLY get rid of carebares. you have to be one yourself. Unless everyone makes his or her own stuff and only uses what they can make themselves there will always be this dichotomy.
http://mlfw.info/f/893/
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G0hme
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
2
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Posted - 2012.01.16 05:42:00 -
[185] - Quote
Keith Planck wrote:Mimeo wrote:Keith Planck wrote:Hoxothul wrote:You seem to have missed the other suicide fleets we did.. you are correct i was not there for those, my mistake  Prolly be a good idea to have your facts in order before you go spouting off at the mouth. too much effort http://mlfw.info/f/104/
*ptzzzzz* i dont think anyone actually clicks your links |

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
476
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Posted - 2012.01.16 05:51:00 -
[186] - Quote
Keith. Dude seriously. Stop posting. Drugs ARE BAD. You are spinning out of control. Put your router in dishwasher and run the thing for a cycle. How stupid is CCP? So stupid it took them SEVEN YEARS to make a "loot all' Button. |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.16 05:57:00 -
[187] - Quote
Darius III wrote:Keith. Dude seriously. Stop posting. Drugs ARE BAD. You are spinning out of control. Put your router in dishwasher and run the thing for a cycle.
I can't help it I I I I JUST... http://mlfw.info/f/2225/ |

Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
73
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Posted - 2012.01.16 07:46:00 -
[188] - Quote
Alex Veritae wrote:Holy **** a huge amount of words with no paragraph breaks. **** you so much for doing these terrible things to our glorious language.
Having pawed my way through the entrails of this post looking for its meaning, I have found a couple of points that I'd like to address.
1) What if these dudes get their mains and do mean things to us? Good! Excellent. This really is a situation in which I think the best response actually is come at me, bro. I mean, most people can't do **** to us, but if I somehow mystically found myself staring down the barrel of Rooks and Kings (I'm such an R&K fanboy), it would probably be the most exciting thing that's happened to me in some time and well worth my monthly fifteen bucks.
What if I got something suicide ganked out from under me? Bummer. Not the end of the world. Just means I need to be more careful. I lost a boosting Tengu to a suicide gank about two weeks ago and it set me back something like 350m. It's part of the game.
2) We're driving the captains of industry that we rely on out of the game? Not terribly. Here I'll point to the often overlooked distinction between industrialists and carebears. For instance, I'm reasonably tight with one of the major industrialists for the CFC, who does a lot of their cap production and t2 production. He has never, to my knowledge, fit a weapon system to a ship. However, he runs his spreadsheets like a ninja, well aware of the realities of the game. Realities that say that his shipment of materials he's already paid for could get blown up. Or he could get market-****** by people who are obtensibly on his side. He just takes that into account when making his plans.
And that is exactly the sort of player that's doing the heavy lifting on the industry-side in this game. As far as actual ships and mods moved to market, he's easily worth a dozen carebear hulk pilots using two industrial slots.
Besides, nearly everyone has an indy toon and occationally tinkers around building things. Hell, even the Skunkworks invents and makes t3s. I don't think we will fall into major economic collapse due to some pubbie fucks having a hissy fit and switching to the new Star Wars MMO.
3) You have a butt for a head and your head smells like poo. And you, incursion runners, should not have decced Skunkworks because one of our dudes got a cute gank way back in the day. It's caused you so much pain and misery. |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
1
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Posted - 2012.01.16 15:04:00 -
[189] - Quote
Psychotic Monk wrote:[quote=Alex Veritae]3) You have a butt for a head and your head smells like poo. And you, incursion runners, should not have decced Skunkworks because one of our dudes got a cute gank way back in the day. It's caused you so much pain and misery.
i lol'd http://mlfw.info/f/1925/
Psy do you have the killboard that has all the incursion kills you guys got on it? I've been trying to find the one that was over 100billion but didn't you guys corp hop out of skunkworks for it? |

Argus Eritaramis
Fearless Bandits Sk33t Fl33t
0
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Posted - 2012.01.16 16:49:00 -
[190] - Quote
You do realize you have just managed to prove that CCP does not need to change incursions, right?
More so than tech moons, they are giving people something to fight about - and thats exactly what eve is all about.
So the more you prove you can police the incursions through your own actions, the more you in fact insure that everything will just keep on as it is.
I just love the irony. |
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Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
43
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Posted - 2012.01.16 16:50:00 -
[191] - Quote
Argus Eritaramis wrote:You do realize you have just managed to prove that CCP does not need to change incursions, right?
More so than tech moons, they are giving people something to fight about - and thats exactly what eve is all about.
So the more you prove you can police the incursions through your own actions, the more you in fact insure that everything will just keep on as it is.
I just love the irony.
No worries mate. I love an endless well of carebear tears too. |

Dzajic
1
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Posted - 2012.01.16 17:38:00 -
[192] - Quote
Argus Eritaramis wrote:You do realize you have just managed to prove that CCP does not need to change incursions, right?
More so than tech moons, they are giving people something to fight about - and thats exactly what eve is all about.
So the more you prove you can police the incursions through your own actions, the more you in fact insure that everything will just keep on as it is.
I just love the irony.
You are wrong. You can't "Fight over and incursion" when one side wants to keep them open ; and other side wants to close them all but one, cram everyone in there and flood channels with griefing "fleets". "Fighting over an incrusions " is your bog standard site contesting that has been going on from forever.
Attacking side has an enormous advantage. Imagine if Tech moons were destroyable. Though not completely same as in that case all Tc moons in EVE would be gone in couple of months. |

OldMan Gana
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
10
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Posted - 2012.01.16 17:42:00 -
[193] - Quote
They should move incursions to npc null or at the very least- 0.2 system.
Those of us who live in NPC null run the odd angel mission here and there, have one eye on the mission and a bigger eye on local, and there's folks in hi sec running isk farming machines risk free from any hassle? Don't think so. " I spent most of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best-á |

G0hme
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
3
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Posted - 2012.01.16 18:05:00 -
[194] - Quote
OldMan Gana wrote:They should move incursions to npc null or at the very least- 0.2 system.
Those of us who live in NPC null run the odd angel mission here and there, have one eye on the mission and a bigger eye on local, and there's folks in hi sec running isk farming machines risk free from any hassle? Don't think so.
Not anymore dude  |

Psychotic Monk
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
75
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Posted - 2012.01.16 18:15:00 -
[195] - Quote
Keith Planck wrote: Psy do you have the killboard that has all the incursion kills you guys got on it? I've been trying to find the one that was over 100billion but didn't you guys corp hop out of skunkworks for it?
http://www.forscience.co/KB/?a=cc_detail&ctr_id=8&view=kills |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
1
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Posted - 2012.01.16 21:28:00 -
[196] - Quote
tyvm bookmarked that ****
you guys might get a kick out of this http://i.imgur.com/FtezX.jpg not ponies this time i promise <3 |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
208
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Posted - 2012.01.16 21:42:00 -
[197] - Quote
So I see the bears have already ground up the new incursions to where the motherships have popped...Who's leading the next fleet? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |

drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.01.16 22:53:00 -
[198] - Quote
Curious to know why anyone would fleet with you lot.. clearly you in it for the tears, so I join your mom gang.. you leave me out to dry.. cool concept.. why go looking for the kill if you can scam them into coming to you... |

Tian Nu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.01.16 23:06:00 -
[199] - Quote
OldMan Gana wrote:They should move incursions to npc null or at the very least- 0.2 system.
Those of us who live in NPC null run the odd angel mission here and there, have one eye on the mission and a bigger eye on local, and there's folks in hi sec running isk farming machines risk free from any hassle? Don't think so.
this made me lol if you dont make huge isk in null quit now. |

drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
19
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Posted - 2012.01.16 23:21:00 -
[200] - Quote
Tian Nu wrote:OldMan Gana wrote:They should move incursions to npc null or at the very least- 0.2 system.
Those of us who live in NPC null run the odd angel mission here and there, have one eye on the mission and a bigger eye on local, and there's folks in hi sec running isk farming machines risk free from any hassle? Don't think so. this made me lol if you dont make huge isk in null quit now.
There are incursion in lower sec areas.. no one runs them cause you wouldn't be able to trust your own fleet as you all in it for the easy KM..     and that's why you messing with the carebears cause finally they have a way to make easy isk like all the null corps... your just jealous... 
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Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
1
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Posted - 2012.01.16 23:45:00 -
[201] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:So I see the bears have already ground up the new incursions to where the motherships have popped...Who's leading the next fleet?
the last mothership fleet ended in Darious III suiciding the fleet into an assault site so... griefers griefing griefers? |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
44
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Posted - 2012.01.16 23:48:00 -
[202] - Quote
Keith Planck wrote:KrakizBad wrote:So I see the bears have already ground up the new incursions to where the motherships have popped...Who's leading the next fleet? the last mothership fleet ended in Darious III suiciding the fleet into an assault site so... griefers griefing griefers?
The amount of stupidity and bullshit in the above quote is mind blowing.  But don't worry. We are soon to be publishing some lovely recordings that our excellent cameraman captured.
http://recluse.me/uploaded_images/mr-burns-wallpaper-790221.gif |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1114
|
Posted - 2012.01.16 23:50:00 -
[203] - Quote
Keith Planck wrote:KrakizBad wrote:So I see the bears have already ground up the new incursions to where the motherships have popped...Who's leading the next fleet? the last mothership fleet ended in Darious III suiciding the fleet into an assault site so... griefers griefing griefers?
Awww. I was looking forward to the next mom takedown fleet. Now I feel..... grief....... 
|

Tian Nu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
12
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 00:30:00 -
[204] - Quote
Keith Planck wrote:KrakizBad wrote:So I see the bears have already ground up the new incursions to where the motherships have popped...Who's leading the next fleet? the last mothership fleet ended in Darious III suiciding the fleet into an assault site so... griefers griefing griefers?
that actualy awsome suicide you own fleet will be so cool. Darious some times you surprise me in good way. |

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
493
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 01:26:00 -
[205] - Quote
Some clarifications:
We never suicided a MS fleet. We suicided 3 separate fleets that we lured people into for the express purpose of not repping them in the sites. Was Hysterical I mean truly funny locking up the guy that was primaried, DEMANDING people rep they guys as I sit in scimitar and never activate my reps was 
We never had the "Second mom fleet" I advertised for a MS fleet for a few reasons. To make the real incursion organizers make a counterfleet and waste their time: and to gauge the responses we got from the pubbie channels. How many people would still join our fleet (a lot!) how many people were willing to risk blacklisting for participation.
Sorry to the guys who we DIDN'T kill that we didnt get fourth fleet suicide, but laughing that much really takes the energy out of you.
Note to people who have volunteered to help: Do not EVER take an invite from anywhere if there isnt a post in Crime and Punishment saying we killing it. If you advertise in any incursion channel and we invite you to fleet-it is because we are going to get you killed. And we dont want to kill C+P peoples, greifers, scoundrels, douchebags, pirates, killers,annihilators, assassins, blood letters, bloodshed makers, butchers, , crimmers, destructors, dispatchers, felons, foul players, hitters, homiciders , knifers, liquidation spqcialists, lynchers, manslaughterers, massacreres, offenders, one-way ticketmen, rub outers, shooters, slayers, or those of us dedicated to giving people the business.
Shiptypes for the next op: T1 BS with 90K EHP+ and 71.68% resists or better. We will be logi heavy fleet and may or may not "win" the mothership payout if the bears contest the site, but thats fine it will die 2 X faster and we can knock out all three MS in 3-4 hours with travel time included.
If you are interested as an individual please mail me and we will try to get you in. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN BRINGING YOUR CORP IN PLEASE MAIL ME WE WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH GRIEFERS AND PvPers OF MOST TYPES. HISEC WARDEC CORPS WITH LOTS OF OFF CORP LOGIS VERY WELCOME. The last payout was 63 M per guy but don't think we have a guaranteed payout.
How stupid is CCP? So stupid it took them SEVEN YEARS to make a "loot all' Button. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1116
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 01:40:00 -
[206] - Quote
Darius III wrote: Some clarifications:
Note to people who have volunteered to help: Do not EVER take an invite from anywhere if there isnt a post in Crime and Punishment saying we killing it. If you advertise in any incursion channel and we invite you to fleet-it is because we are going to get you killed. And we dont want to kill C+P peoples, greifers, scoundrels, douchebags, pirates, killers,annihilators, assassins, blood letters, bloodshed makers, butchers, , crimmers, destructors, dispatchers, felons, foul players, hitters, homiciders , knifers, liquidation spqcialists, lynchers, manslaughterers, massacreres, offenders, one-way ticketmen, rub outers, shooters, slayers, or those of us dedicated to giving people the business.
You forgot scofflaws and anarcho-capitalists.
(ok I just felt left out) |

Tian Nu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
12
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 03:05:00 -
[207] - Quote
Darius III wrote: Some clarifications: We never suicided a MS fleet. We suicided 3 separate fleets that we lured people into for the express purpose of not repping them in the sites. Was Hysterical I mean truly funny locking up the guy that was primaried, DEMANDING people rep they guys as I sit in scimitar and never activate my reps was  We never had the "Second mom fleet" I advertised for a MS fleet for a few reasons. To make the real incursion organizers make a counterfleet and waste their time: and to gauge the responses we got from the pubbie channels. How many people would still join our fleet (a lot!) how many people were willing to risk blacklisting for participation. Sorry to the guys who we DIDN'T kill that we didnt get fourth fleet suicide, but laughing that much really takes the energy out of you. Note to people who have volunteered to help: Do not EVER take an invite from anywhere if there isnt a post in Crime and Punishment saying we killing it. If you advertise in any incursion channel and we invite you to fleet-it is because we are going to get you killed. And we dont want to kill C+P peoples, greifers, scoundrels, douchebags, pirates, killers,annihilators, assassins, blood letters, bloodshed makers, butchers, , crimmers, destructors, dispatchers, felons, foul players, hitters, homiciders , knifers, liquidation spqcialists, lynchers, manslaughterers, massacreres, offenders, one-way ticketmen, rub outers, shooters, slayers, or those of us dedicated to giving people the business. Shiptypes for the next op: T1 BS with 90K EHP+ and 71.68% resists or better. We will be logi heavy fleet and may or may not "win" the mothership payout if the bears contest the site, but thats fine it will die 2 X faster and we can knock out all three MS in 3-4 hours with travel time included. If you are interested as an individual please mail me and we will try to get you in. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN BRINGING YOUR CORP IN PLEASE MAIL ME WE WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH GRIEFERS AND PvPers OF MOST TYPES. HISEC WARDEC CORPS WITH LOTS OF OFF CORP LOGIS VERY WELCOME. The last payout was 63 M per guy but don't think we have a guaranteed payout.
suicide the MS fleet and frap it that will stay in history all the rest is just wind, be creative do something out of ordinary.
i dont join MS fleets if i cant get 100 mill/h wtf i need to keep up my bear status  |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
1
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 03:09:00 -
[208] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Keith Planck wrote:KrakizBad wrote:So I see the bears have already ground up the new incursions to where the motherships have popped...Who's leading the next fleet? the last mothership fleet ended in Darious III suiciding the fleet into an assault site so... griefers griefing griefers? The amount of stupidity and bullshit in the above quote is mind blowing.  But don't worry. We are soon to be publishing some lovely recordings that our excellent cameraman captured. http://recluse.me/uploaded_images/mr-burns-wallpaper-790221.gif
already have them, weve had a carebear in our channel whining endlessly and spamming screenshots about his hyperion -.- i dont even know how he got in there! we dont accept hyperions!
http://mlfw.info/f/72/
MFW I GOT A LIKE :O MUST GO FIND IT!!! confirmed, it was for my "me being banned from BTL post" ^o^ |

Clyde ElectraGlide
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 03:21:00 -
[209] - Quote
I don't know much about what's going on about Incursions, but BTL sounds like a bunch of elitist pricks. Therefore, I wish D3 and you guys well in your venture (with a spacelike too!) |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
549
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 05:51:00 -
[210] - Quote
You know. I have kind of changed my mind. Speaking to the fools in BTL that continue to spam their fits (Anyone actually enforce the 5 minute rule anymore?) Few actually give a damn as long as THEIR shiny fleet continues to rake in the cash.
They could care less that it is the nonshiny fleet types that are suffering the most from these interdiction and extortion. They wont be able to complete many sites being without being contested by shiny fleet after shiny fleet. Then again that is pure joy for some of those fools.
I hope you have the logs turned on for your alts in that channel. I will enjoy watching them say "WHAT THE FUUUU WHI DIDDNt BTL STOP THEM?! WAHHH" And suddenly "discover" that nullsec has declared war on their activity. This may be good to get them out of their "I dont care *click drag fit* make monay instead" routine. |
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Killa Von Murderer
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 13:29:00 -
[211] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:You know. I have kind of changed my mind. Speaking to the fools in BTL that continue to spam their fits (Anyone actually enforce the 5 minute rule anymore?) Few actually give a damn as long as THEIR shiny fleet continues to rake in the cash.
They could care less that it is the nonshiny fleet types that are suffering the most from these interdiction and extortion. They wont be able to complete many sites being without being contested by shiny fleet after shiny fleet. Then again that is pure joy for some of those fools.
Yep, this has been my experience. Our fleet is mostly newer players in T1s with some Basilisks and a Loki thrown in. Yesterday we managed to do only three sites uncontested. The rest of the time we got out DPSed by shiny fleets who got the ISK and moved on.
Oh well, back to wormholes I go. Let me know when you guys get bored of taking down the mother ships. By then I might have the skills to allow me to carebear more competitively.  |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
48
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 13:57:00 -
[212] - Quote
Killa Von Murderer wrote:Oh well, back to wormholes I go. Let me know when you guys get bored of taking down the mother ships. 
This pleases me. Farewell pilot o7 |

Tauren Tom
Order of the Silver Dragons Silver Dragonz
38
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 14:01:00 -
[213] - Quote
I just read this thread... You owe me 20 minutes of my life back for a thread with so little laugh content...
Can't believe I wasted my time reading a thread with maybe 3 decently funny posts :\ Naga stole my bike!
Talos, the official Pizza Wedge of the Gallente Federation. |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
48
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 14:06:00 -
[214] - Quote
Tauren Tom wrote:I just read this thread... You owe me 20 minutes of my life back for a thread with so little laugh content...
Can't believe I wasted my time reading a thread with maybe 3 decently funny posts :\
I am sorry. Try these instead:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=58208&find=unread
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=58216&find=unread |

OldMan Gana
The Flaming Sideburn's Art of War Alliance
15
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 17:35:00 -
[215] - Quote
Darius III wrote: Some clarifications: We never suicided a MS fleet. We suicided 3 separate fleets that we lured people into for the express purpose of not repping them in the sites. Was Hysterical I mean truly funny locking up the guy that was primaried, DEMANDING people rep they guys as I sit in scimitar and never activate my reps was  We never had the "Second mom fleet" I advertised for a MS fleet for a few reasons. To make the real incursion organizers make a counterfleet and waste their time: and to gauge the responses we got from the pubbie channels. How many people would still join our fleet (a lot!) how many people were willing to risk blacklisting for participation. Sorry to the guys who we DIDN'T kill that we didnt get fourth fleet suicide, but laughing that much really takes the energy out of you. Note to people who have volunteered to help: Do not EVER take an invite from anywhere if there isnt a post in Crime and Punishment saying we killing it. If you advertise in any incursion channel and we invite you to fleet-it is because we are going to get you killed. And we dont want to kill C+P peoples, greifers, scoundrels, douchebags, pirates, killers,annihilators, assassins, blood letters, bloodshed makers, butchers, , crimmers, destructors, dispatchers, felons, foul players, hitters, homiciders , knifers, liquidation spqcialists, lynchers, manslaughterers, massacreres, offenders, one-way ticketmen, rub outers, shooters, slayers, or those of us dedicated to giving people the business. Shiptypes for the next op: T1 BS with 90K EHP+ and 71.68% resists or better. We will be logi heavy fleet and may or may not "win" the mothership payout if the bears contest the site, but thats fine it will die 2 X faster and we can knock out all three MS in 3-4 hours with travel time included. If you are interested as an individual please mail me and we will try to get you in. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN BRINGING YOUR CORP IN PLEASE MAIL ME WE WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH GRIEFERS AND PvPers OF MOST TYPES. HISEC WARDEC CORPS WITH LOTS OF OFF CORP LOGIS VERY WELCOME. The last payout was 63 M per guy but don't think we have a guaranteed payout.
I like the cut of your jib sir. If ever there was a CSM dude worthy of a vote, it's this guy. At last, someone from the CSM who knows what EVE is all about- blowing s##t up and having a laugh doing it. " I spent most of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered." -George Best-á |

drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 18:33:00 -
[216] - Quote
Killa Von Murderer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:You know. I have kind of changed my mind. Speaking to the fools in BTL that continue to spam their fits (Anyone actually enforce the 5 minute rule anymore?) Few actually give a damn as long as THEIR shiny fleet continues to rake in the cash.
They could care less that it is the nonshiny fleet types that are suffering the most from these interdiction and extortion. They wont be able to complete many sites being without being contested by shiny fleet after shiny fleet. Then again that is pure joy for some of those fools.
Yep, this has been my experience. Our fleet is mostly newer players in T1s with some Basilisks and a Loki thrown in. Yesterday we managed to do only three sites uncontested. The rest of the time we got out DPSed by shiny fleets who got the ISK and moved on. Oh well, back to wormholes I go. Let me know when you guys get bored of taking down the mother ships. 
I joined a toon to a null corp. I fly a drake while most fly T2's. We got hotdropped by PL in capitals.. I can't fly one. That's not fair, let me whine on the forums how i am going back to HS. Nothing wrong with T1 ships in incursions if they fitted properly and the fleet is FC'd well. maelstrom's, abbadon's and hyperions can put out decent dps. Its knowing the mechanics that wins the contest, not always the shiny ship.
|

NeoShocker
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
96
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 19:16:00 -
[217] - Quote
OldMan Gana wrote:Darius III wrote: Some clarifications: We never suicided a MS fleet. We suicided 3 separate fleets that we lured people into for the express purpose of not repping them in the sites. Was Hysterical I mean truly funny locking up the guy that was primaried, DEMANDING people rep they guys as I sit in scimitar and never activate my reps was  We never had the "Second mom fleet" I advertised for a MS fleet for a few reasons. To make the real incursion organizers make a counterfleet and waste their time: and to gauge the responses we got from the pubbie channels. How many people would still join our fleet (a lot!) how many people were willing to risk blacklisting for participation. Sorry to the guys who we DIDN'T kill that we didnt get fourth fleet suicide, but laughing that much really takes the energy out of you. Note to people who have volunteered to help: Do not EVER take an invite from anywhere if there isnt a post in Crime and Punishment saying we killing it. If you advertise in any incursion channel and we invite you to fleet-it is because we are going to get you killed. And we dont want to kill C+P peoples, greifers, scoundrels, douchebags, pirates, killers,annihilators, assassins, blood letters, bloodshed makers, butchers, , crimmers, destructors, dispatchers, felons, foul players, hitters, homiciders , knifers, liquidation spqcialists, lynchers, manslaughterers, massacreres, offenders, one-way ticketmen, rub outers, shooters, slayers, or those of us dedicated to giving people the business. Shiptypes for the next op: T1 BS with 90K EHP+ and 71.68% resists or better. We will be logi heavy fleet and may or may not "win" the mothership payout if the bears contest the site, but thats fine it will die 2 X faster and we can knock out all three MS in 3-4 hours with travel time included. If you are interested as an individual please mail me and we will try to get you in. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN BRINGING YOUR CORP IN PLEASE MAIL ME WE WOULD LOVE TO WORK WITH GRIEFERS AND PvPers OF MOST TYPES. HISEC WARDEC CORPS WITH LOTS OF OFF CORP LOGIS VERY WELCOME. The last payout was 63 M per guy but don't think we have a guaranteed payout. I like the cut of your jib sir. If ever there was a CSM dude worthy of a vote, it's this guy. At last, someone from the CSM who knows what EVE is all about- blowing s##t up and having a laugh doing it.
Dont forget. darius III only a ALT CSM. Imagine him when he is actually a full CSM. It gets even better if he is CSM president. I trust Darius willmake eve glorious. |

Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
335
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 19:23:00 -
[218] - Quote
NeoShocker wrote:OldMan Gana wrote: I like the cut of your jib sir. If ever there was a CSM dude worthy of a vote, it's this guy. At last, someone from the CSM who knows what EVE is all about- blowing s##t up and having a laugh doing it.
Dont forget. darius III only a ALT CSM. Imagine him when he is actually a full CSM. It gets even better if he is CSM president. I trust Darius willmake eve glorious. He might even earn some votes this time around instead of mass scamming noobs in jita out of them 
o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Killa Von Murderer
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 19:26:00 -
[219] - Quote
drdxie wrote:Killa Von Murderer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:You know. I have kind of changed my mind. Speaking to the fools in BTL that continue to spam their fits (Anyone actually enforce the 5 minute rule anymore?) Few actually give a damn as long as THEIR shiny fleet continues to rake in the cash.
They could care less that it is the nonshiny fleet types that are suffering the most from these interdiction and extortion. They wont be able to complete many sites being without being contested by shiny fleet after shiny fleet. Then again that is pure joy for some of those fools.
Yep, this has been my experience. Our fleet is mostly newer players in T1s with some Basilisks and a Loki thrown in. Yesterday we managed to do only three sites uncontested. The rest of the time we got out DPSed by shiny fleets who got the ISK and moved on. Oh well, back to wormholes I go. Let me know when you guys get bored of taking down the mother ships.  I joined a toon to a null corp. I fly a drake while most fly T2's. We got hotdropped by PL in capitals.. I can't fly one. That's not fair, let me whine on the forums how i am going back to HS. Nothing wrong with T1 ships in incursions if they fitted properly and the fleet is FC'd well. maelstrom's, abbadon's and hyperions can put out decent dps. Its knowing the mechanics that wins the contest, not always the shiny ship.
Not sure what your point is? I was agreeing with the previous poster that now the number of available incursion sites has been cut, mostly T1 fleets can't out-DPS the shiny fleets. Before this we were doing totally OK without the shiny. Not raking in some of the ISK that's been reported on the forum but we weren't losing ships and it was better ISK than missioning. Plus it was good to have 10+ players doing something together as a team. Yesterday on the other hand we only got about three sites where we didn't have another fleet warp in and grab the ISK because they killed more Sansha than we could. The incursion interdiction is largely going unnoticed by the shiny fleets right now.
For me as a mostly carebear player the best option is to go back to doing wormholes. That's not whining, it's a factual statement. |

Simi Kusoni
The Synergy Cascade Imminent
54
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 19:31:00 -
[220] - Quote
Killa Von Murderer wrote:For me as a mostly carebear player the best option is to go back to doing wormholes. Being forced to move to marginally more dangerous areas of space in order to make more ISK?
Yee gods, what has Eve come to. |
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drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
23
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 19:42:00 -
[221] - Quote
Killa Von Murderer wrote:drdxie wrote:Killa Von Murderer wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:You know. I have kind of changed my mind. Speaking to the fools in BTL that continue to spam their fits (Anyone actually enforce the 5 minute rule anymore?) Few actually give a damn as long as THEIR shiny fleet continues to rake in the cash.
They could care less that it is the nonshiny fleet types that are suffering the most from these interdiction and extortion. They wont be able to complete many sites being without being contested by shiny fleet after shiny fleet. Then again that is pure joy for some of those fools.
Yep, this has been my experience. Our fleet is mostly newer players in T1s with some Basilisks and a Loki thrown in. Yesterday we managed to do only three sites uncontested. The rest of the time we got out DPSed by shiny fleets who got the ISK and moved on. Oh well, back to wormholes I go. Let me know when you guys get bored of taking down the mother ships.  I joined a toon to a null corp. I fly a drake while most fly T2's. We got hotdropped by PL in capitals.. I can't fly one. That's not fair, let me whine on the forums how i am going back to HS. Nothing wrong with T1 ships in incursions if they fitted properly and the fleet is FC'd well. maelstrom's, abbadon's and hyperions can put out decent dps. Its knowing the mechanics that wins the contest, not always the shiny ship. Not sure what your point is? I was agreeing with the previous poster that now the number of available incursion sites has been cut, mostly T1 fleets can't out-DPS the shiny fleets. Before this we were doing totally OK without the shiny. Not raking in some of the ISK that's been reported on the forum but we weren't losing ships and it was better ISK than missioning. Plus it was good to have 10+ players doing something together as a team. Yesterday on the other hand we only got about three sites where we didn't have another fleet warp in and grab the ISK because they killed more Sansha than we could. The incursion interdiction is largely going unnoticed by the shiny fleets right now. For me as a mostly carebear player the best option is to go back to doing wormholes. That's not whining, it's a factual statement.
My point is that you were out classed.. so you give up.. Make no mistake, I am a carebear too :)
|

knobber Jobbler
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
23
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 20:03:00 -
[222] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:So to stop those nasty carebears doing incursions, you're going to do them instead?
Doesn't that make you carebears doing incursions as well?
Admit it, you are trying to goth-serve the forums, aren't you? 
Never. But you've reminded me how much fun it was back in the 90's to laugh at men in eye liner do that funny wavy dance to sisters of mercy at the local alternative club. |

Barakkus
1492
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 20:13:00 -
[223] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Keith Planck wrote:KrakizBad wrote:So I see the bears have already ground up the new incursions to where the motherships have popped...Who's leading the next fleet? the last mothership fleet ended in Darious III suiciding the fleet into an assault site so... griefers griefing griefers? The amount of stupidity and bullshit in the above quote is mind blowing.  But don't worry. We are soon to be publishing some lovely recordings that our excellent cameraman captured. http://recluse.me/uploaded_images/mr-burns-wallpaper-790221.gif
He's an alt of Joe Phoenix. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1121
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 21:02:00 -
[224] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:So to stop those nasty carebears doing incursions, you're going to do them instead?
Doesn't that make you carebears doing incursions as well?
Admit it, you are trying to goth-serve the forums, aren't you?  Never. But you've reminded me how much fun it was back in the 90's to laugh at men in eye liner do that funny wavy dance to sisters of mercy at the local alternative club.
Jokes on them. Even Andrew Eldritch hated that goth label and at a HOB in Orlando back in '99 he wore a Starfleet sweatshirt as a way of telling everybody what a bunch of dorks they were.
I bet he would join our mom-takedown fleet if he played Eve.
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Barakkus
1497
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 21:27:00 -
[225] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:So to stop those nasty carebears doing incursions, you're going to do them instead?
Doesn't that make you carebears doing incursions as well?
Admit it, you are trying to goth-serve the forums, aren't you?  Never. But you've reminded me how much fun it was back in the 90's to laugh at men in eye liner do that funny wavy dance to sisters of mercy at the local alternative club. Jokes on them. Even Andrew Eldritch hated that goth label and at a HOB in Orlando back in '99 he wore a Starfleet sweatshirt as a way of telling everybody what a bunch of dorks they were. I bet he would join our mom-takedown fleet if he played Eve.
I think he would be an emo miner actually. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1121
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 21:44:00 -
[226] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:So to stop those nasty carebears doing incursions, you're going to do them instead?
Doesn't that make you carebears doing incursions as well?
Admit it, you are trying to goth-serve the forums, aren't you?  Never. But you've reminded me how much fun it was back in the 90's to laugh at men in eye liner do that funny wavy dance to sisters of mercy at the local alternative club. Jokes on them. Even Andrew Eldritch hated that goth label and at a HOB in Orlando back in '99 he wore a Starfleet sweatshirt as a way of telling everybody what a bunch of dorks they were. I bet he would join our mom-takedown fleet if he played Eve. I think he would be an emo miner actually.
And emo miners should join the fleets too if they fit a T1 BS the way they are asked to. Just don't let them talk in fleet channel lest we get a barrage of "nobody cares" and "what difference does it make" and other such stuff that will make me want to SD. As long as there are no neglected rose garden sites in the incursion system they won't be stopping to write bad poetry about it and hold up the op.
Speaking of BS fits, any ideas floating about yet for a good "mom takedown fleet fit"? Maybe another thread....
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Barakkus
1497
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Posted - 2012.01.17 21:55:00 -
[227] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Speaking of BS fits, any ideas floating about yet for a good "mom takedown fleet fit"? Maybe another thread....
Bunch of buffer armor/omni tanked typhoons? http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1121
|
Posted - 2012.01.17 21:59:00 -
[228] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Speaking of BS fits, any ideas floating about yet for a good "mom takedown fleet fit"? Maybe another thread....
Bunch of buffer armor/omni tanked typhoons?
I started a thread in Ships & Modules - well "group source" this with the EFT hounds.
I happen to use a armorphoon with logi drones... better facking drone boat than Gallente (IMO). Phoons: ugly and cheap. Ugly and cheap is good in everything except cars and women. |

Barakkus
1497
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Posted - 2012.01.17 22:02:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Barakkus wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Speaking of BS fits, any ideas floating about yet for a good "mom takedown fleet fit"? Maybe another thread....
Bunch of buffer armor/omni tanked typhoons? I started a thread in Ships & Modules - well "group source" this with the EFT hounds. I happen to use a armorphoon with logi drones... better facking drone boat than Gallente (IMO). Phoons: ugly and cheap. Ugly and cheap is good in everything except cars and women.
Depends on if you want to be ridin' dirty. http://youtu.be/yytbDZrw1jc |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
4
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Posted - 2012.01.17 23:09:00 -
[230] - Quote
Barakkus wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Speaking of BS fits, any ideas floating about yet for a good "mom takedown fleet fit"? Maybe another thread....
Bunch of buffer armor/omni tanked typhoons?
dear god i wanted to fly a typhoon in incursions so badly just because they were the worst ships ever i ready to fit officer mods on it, but it still barely got more dps then a maelstrom (not taking into account missle explosion radious or velocity) http://onebit.us/x/u/Jason_Marshall/4f5f983f.jpg |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1121
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Posted - 2012.01.17 23:30:00 -
[231] - Quote
Keith Planck wrote:Barakkus wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Speaking of BS fits, any ideas floating about yet for a good "mom takedown fleet fit"? Maybe another thread....
Bunch of buffer armor/omni tanked typhoons? dear god i wanted to fly a typhoonFI in incursions so badly just because they were the worst ships ever i was ready to fit officer mods on it, but it still barely got more dps then a maelstrom (not taking into account missle explosion radious or velocity) http://onebit.us/x/u/Jason_Marshall/4f5f983f.jpg
The phoon was my first BS and I have a hangar full of faction and dedspace armor modules from exploration in serpy land. Had some good resists.
You get used to the ugliness and eventually stop calling it "the trashcan" after a year. Been trying to get mine destroyed for a year but it's tough. |

gunnery
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 00:52:00 -
[232] - Quote
SHAT... YOU ALL ARE SHAT!!! |

LTC Vuvovich
Grave Digger's Mining
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 02:07:00 -
[233] - Quote
High-Sec Incursions... take too long, ISK's being farmed, CCP too slow... this is all thats being reported, being brought to our attention, or having a dime being dropped on it ??? Oooh, there's a flash.
Try reminding all us miners, waiting any insufferable number of days & weeks for an end to an Incursion event., so that we can get back to what we do. Haven't I long suspected that Incursion activities were being 'milked' to no end... like duh. And by the way... does it or does it not seem... there is a disproportionate number of Incursion activities in Amarian controlled space?
But let's be honest...nobody likes a whistle-blower...even if you are right. There an old saying... if you can beat 'em... join 'em.  |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
4
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Posted - 2012.01.18 02:15:00 -
[234] - Quote
LTC Vuvovich wrote:High-Sec Incursions... take too long, ISK's being farmed, CCP too slow... this is all thats being reported, being brought to our attention, or having a dime being dropped on it ??? Oooh, there's a flash. Try reminding all us miners, waiting any insufferable number of days & weeks for an end to an Incursion event., so that we can get back to what we do. Haven't I long suspected that Incursion activities were being 'milked' to no end... like duh. And by the way... does it or does it not seem... there is a disproportionate number of Incursion activities in Amarian controlled space? But let's be honest...nobody likes a whistle-blower...even if you are right. There an old saying... if you can beat 'em... join 'em. 
EVEN CAREBEARS ARE MAD AT INCURSION RUNNERS :O |

Denidil
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
254
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Posted - 2012.01.18 02:31:00 -
[235] - Quote
get a life Bored in 0.0?-á reset all standings.
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LTC Vuvovich
Grave Digger's Mining
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 02:46:00 -
[236] - Quote
Keith Planck wrote:LTC Vuvovich wrote:High-Sec Incursions... take too long, ISK's being farmed, CCP too slow... this is all thats being reported, being brought to our attention, or having a dime being dropped on it ??? Oooh, there's a flash. Try reminding all us miners, waiting any insufferable number of days & weeks for an end to an Incursion event., so that we can get back to what we do. Haven't I long suspected that Incursion activities were being 'milked' to no end... like duh. And by the way... does it or does it not seem... there is a disproportionate number of Incursion activities in Amarian controlled space? But let's be honest...nobody likes a whistle-blower...even if you are right. There an old saying... if you can beat 'em... join 'em.  EVEN CAREBEARS ARE MAD AT INCURSION RUNNERS :O
I am quite certain that you are mistaken about the point I was trying to make., when in all actuality... Incursion events are an overall blessing in disguise. How dare I say that...? Let me put to you this way... it's more like Incursions vs Hulkageddon. I'll let you be the judge...  |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
4
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Posted - 2012.01.18 03:48:00 -
[237] - Quote
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4860&tid=7 HEY GUYS WERE FAMOUS
on a side not:
Congratz Darious, you may just pull the votes that you need for the next election with this little stunt :) |

Lord Salty
Catalyst ops Situation: Normal
4
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Posted - 2012.01.18 03:54:00 -
[238] - Quote
I wanted to say, Good Luck.
I personally agree the goals of this thread and shall join in battle against sansha motherships......once i regain enough sec status 
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Recoil Happens
Debatable Results
10
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Posted - 2012.01.18 04:15:00 -
[239] - Quote
You go ahead and out care those carebears!
And then you can go after the SOVs who are milking the incursions on their turf!
And then you can break up the moongoo monopolies out there!
Oh wait, moongoo won't be in such demand if hisec players don't have a need for all that t2 stuff anymore...
Hell - Just get your pet CSM to outlaw hisec! That will "urge" those carebears into .... into..... well, actually, it will most likely"urge" them into dropping their subs..... Hell, thats ok, too! lessee.... how many accounts does that mean..... Might be some numbers around here about last summer that could be applied here..... |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
8
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Posted - 2012.01.18 04:28:00 -
[240] - Quote
Recoil Happens wrote:You go ahead and out care those carebears!
And then you can go after the SOVs who are milking the incursions on their turf!
And then you can break up the moongoo monopolies out there!
Oh wait, moongoo won't be in such demand if hisec players don't have a need for all that t2 stuff anymore...
Hell - Just get your pet CSM to outlaw hisec! That will "urge" those carebears into .... into..... well, actually, it will most likely"urge" them into dropping their subs..... Hell, thats ok, too! lessee.... how many accounts does that mean..... Might be some numbers around here about last summer that could be applied here.....
I gotta say, eve is a sandbox, a lot of people are angry because not everyone is playing in there corner of the sandbox... It begs a few questions about nullsec and the people who live there...
OH and... Vote Darious III SCM http://mlfw.info/f/510/ |
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Recoil Happens
Debatable Results
10
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Posted - 2012.01.18 05:10:00 -
[241] - Quote
There I go again...
My former losec alliance friends who, like me, are using an alt (not this one silly) the alliance does not know about to run incursions in Hisec. We have to make some ISK somehow! The alliances are the only ones making ISK off the moongoo monopolies - quite unlike the Hisec incursion runners who eschew incursion based corps because they would be huge war dec magnets - so the incursions cash in hisec go into player accounts instead of alliance accounts.
Bet that won't be on Darius' re-election platform. Oh, if you only knew how close you were to being deposed... but don't give up hope! Not everyone is going to quit your alliance.... |

Osmodeus
The Bohica Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 05:12:00 -
[242] - Quote
wow, my jars are full of null bear tears! Mad because you cant control all of the isk in eve? or is it because you dont get paid for pvp? please, make them despawn quicker. That way i can just wait for them to come to my side of new eden instead of traveling 30+ jumps. So thanks for doing me a favor by stopping amarrs monopoly on the incursion sites! |

Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
79
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Posted - 2012.01.18 05:29:00 -
[243] - Quote
Osmodeus wrote:wow, my jars are full of null bear tears! Mad because you cant control all of the isk in eve? or is it because you dont get paid for pvp? please, make them despawn quicker. That way i can just wait for them to come to my side of new eden instead of traveling 30+ jumps. So thanks for doing me a favor by stopping amarrs monopoly on the incursion sites!
Didn't want those incursions anyways. |

Sin Istersly
Royal Navy Security Services The-Nation
1
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Posted - 2012.01.18 05:32:00 -
[244] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Before words ---- Yes, it's this thread again. No, it's not just empty words. This was posted many days ago, but I decided to take it down to have some chats with a few selected people before finalizing everything. _____________________ We have come to the conclusion that even though blackbird suicide ganking is a profitable and very fun activity it only limits the Incursion Bear activities by some degree. If we are to end their reign once and for all which has lasted for almost a year it is time we do it now. We would like to announce the creation of a wonderful and most generous channel named: "Grief the Bears" with the sole purpose of taking down all motherships in highsec as soon as they appear and end the incursion just like CCP intended.... We shall put an end to this inhuman farming and abuse of game mechanics. We have to put a gag to this ISK faucet and shake up those bears. If they wanna do incursions they can go to lowsec or nullsec.  What do we require and why do we need you?
- 30-40 bodies to effectively fight off the site and finish it.
- Armor buffer fit battleships and a handful subbattleships.
- T2 logistic ships.
- Empty tear jars.
So join us at the channel ----> Grief the Bears and let us finally put an end to all this. Once all the highsec incursions are down they will not respawn for another 24+ hours. When that one will spawn it will only take the bears 4-5 hours to make the mothership appear and then we shall sweep in yet again and finish it. Can you imagine highsec where the bears only get to incursion 15-20 hours for a whole week? I can and it is filled with tears.... PS: Beware that extracting a sufficient amount of tears will result in merc wardecs hired by rich bears. I see this as a side bonus! _______________ Above is the simple plan. We cannot keep on waiting and whining to CCP. We are taking matters into our own hands with or without you. If you want to join, feel free to. If you rather not that is fine too. But if you want to whine and complain because we are stopping the ISK faucet then make sure you are crying into one of our jars. Fly much reckless 
Sounds like another case of someone way too full of themselves bitching about the way others play the game. Last I checked Eve was so much fun for people because you could play it any way you like, several ways in fact, where as in WoW, Everquest, or many other MMORPG's, you really only have the option of playing the mainline game the way it was intended. So now, someone with power, trips all over it, demanding and forcing others to comply with their wishes of how the game must be played. Get over yourself. How stuck up do you have to be to whine like a little baby about others making money? The term carebears is bad enough to apply it to anyone who plays the game in any way other then killing weaker oponents, now your goingto become a "crybear" cus people found a way to make money without putting themselves in front of your overpowered guns? Wow. I'm truly amazed at the level of arrogance a simple game can give small minded, over focused people like you. |

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
506
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Posted - 2012.01.18 05:38:00 -
[245] - Quote
Recoil Happens wrote: Bet that won't be on Darius' re-election platform. Oh, if you only knew how close you were to being deposed... but don't give up hope! Not everyone is going to quit your alliance....
I want EVERYONE to enjoy Eve online. This includes hisec. Everyone must make money. I only want the ISK vs Work/Risk equation to be more balanced.
How stupid is CCP? So stupid it took them SEVEN YEARS to make a "loot all' Button. |

Cannibal Kane
Count With Teddy Mercenaries
191
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Posted - 2012.01.18 05:42:00 -
[246] - Quote
Darius III wrote:Recoil Happens wrote: Bet that won't be on Darius' re-election platform. Oh, if you only knew how close you were to being deposed... but don't give up hope! Not everyone is going to quit your alliance....
I want EVERYONE to enjoy Eve online. This includes hisec. Everyone must make money. I only want the ISK vs Work/Risk equation to be more balanced.
Can't Argue with that, but people in here seem to jump on the bandwagon with to much guille. People seem to take your words to the extreme Darius, when all you want is moderation to accomplish what you want. "Demoralize the Enemy from within by Surprise, Terror, Sabotage, Assassination. This method of Guarilla Warfare is the only Method of Warfare for me"
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Sin Istersly
Royal Navy Security Services The-Nation
1
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Posted - 2012.01.18 05:45:00 -
[247] - Quote
Darius III wrote:Recoil Happens wrote: Bet that won't be on Darius' re-election platform. Oh, if you only knew how close you were to being deposed... but don't give up hope! Not everyone is going to quit your alliance....
I want EVERYONE to enjoy Eve online. This includes hisec. Everyone must make money. I only want the ISK vs Work/Risk equation to be more balanced.
I dont think that's an unfair request, but is being a pirate and attacking defenseless transports and helpless miners really that risky? I dont think it is. I havnt once been killed by a griefer that I posed any conceivable threat too. In fact, every time I've ever lost a ship it's been to someone far more skilled, equipped, and powerful then myself. What risk?!?!?!?! |

Cannibal Kane
Count With Teddy Mercenaries
192
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Posted - 2012.01.18 05:52:00 -
[248] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:Darius III wrote:Recoil Happens wrote: Bet that won't be on Darius' re-election platform. Oh, if you only knew how close you were to being deposed... but don't give up hope! Not everyone is going to quit your alliance....
I want EVERYONE to enjoy Eve online. This includes hisec. Everyone must make money. I only want the ISK vs Work/Risk equation to be more balanced. I dont think that's an unfair request, but is being a pirate and attacking defenseless transports and helpless miners really that risky? I dont think it is. I havnt once been killed by a griefer that I posed any conceivable threat too. In fact, every time I've ever lost a ship it's been to someone far more skilled, equipped, and powerful then myself. What risk?!?!?!?!
I have had my fair share of losses and my fair share of kills aaist people that are far better equiped/skilled(SP wise)/ and more powerfull than I am. I don't look at it as risk, every engagement I see as a learining experience. That is my reward, even if I loose.
Our outlooks differ on how to percieve what happening or how we play the game. But I also agree with you, what risk is there to the guys engaging somebody that never PVP's?
On the other hand, it means Merc service are required even more so, and those we have engaged thus far loose a few ships before they leave corp.
That what's makes this game so awesome. PVE guys getted bugged by fruitcakes, PVE guys hire Mercs, Mercs bugg Fruitcakes, fruitcakes leave corp and the cycle continues. Sounds like a living universe to me. "Demoralize the Enemy from within by Surprise, Terror, Sabotage, Assassination. This method of Guarilla Warfare is the only Method of Warfare for me"
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Swiftsoul Tian
Hardcore Smoochies
2
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Posted - 2012.01.18 05:56:00 -
[249] - Quote
Darius III wrote:I want EVERYONE to enjoy Eve online. This includes hisec. Everyone must make money. I only want the ISK vs Work/Risk equation to be more balanced.
LMAO! Risk vs. Reward - what about those gate gankers killing 20-30 mission runners in a row and looting their T2 ships - muhaaaaa - very risky.
If you want balance do something about that. Everyone can farm Incursions - so where is the balancing issue?
Instead of talking about balancing - name it what you want: Force other players to play the way YOU want - that's it. |

Sin Istersly
Royal Navy Security Services The-Nation
2
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Posted - 2012.01.18 06:09:00 -
[250] - Quote
Swiftsoul Tian wrote:Darius III wrote:I want EVERYONE to enjoy Eve online. This includes hisec. Everyone must make money. I only want the ISK vs Work/Risk equation to be more balanced.
LMAO! Risk vs. Reward - what about those gate gankers killing 20-30 mission runners in a row and looting their T2 ships - muhaaaaa - very risky. If you want balance do something about that. Everyone can farm Incursions - so where is the balancing issue? Instead of talking about balancing - name it what you want: Force other players to play the way YOU want - that's it.
My point exactly. Thank you Swift. Although I think part of their cryparty is about having to have the security status to get into high sec. Most pirates cant do incursions because of that. Sounds like a "you" problem to me though.
Cannibal Kane wrote: I have had my fair share of losses and my fair share of kills aaist people that are far better equiped/skilled(SP wise)/ and more powerfull than I am. I don't look at it as risk, every engagement I see as a learining experience. That is my reward, even if I loose.
Our outlooks differ on how to percieve what happening or how we play the game. But I also agree with you, what risk is there to the guys engaging somebody that never PVP's?
On the other hand, it means Merc service are required even more so, and those we have engaged thus far loose a few ships before they leave corp.
That what's makes this game so awesome. PVE guys getted bugged by fruitcakes, PVE guys hire Mercs, Mercs bugg Fruitcakes, fruitcakes leave corp and the cycle continues. Sounds like a living universe to me.
I'd be really surprised if you've ever been taken out by someone that doesnt PVP at all. Learning experience or not. someone who's focused on mining, manufacturing, and research, even in with full skills on a ship, and the best gear, is NOT, I repeat, NOT, EVER, going to beat an experienced PVP player with full resist and weapons skills, and the knowledge of strategies to back that up. I've never seen a miner handle a griefer, it just doesnt happen. So I ask again, what risk? Their is risk if your going against other PVP'ers, but not carebears.
Stop trying to blurr the line. Bottom line is, Skilled PVP vs Highsec Carebear = Dead carebear. |
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Tyralyn
Stardust Academy
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 06:19:00 -
[251] - Quote
smells like a gonns thing posted with a high sec alt  Do you have problems with loosing willing slaves ? |

Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
86
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Posted - 2012.01.18 06:20:00 -
[252] - Quote
In lowsec you don't get to choose who engages you if you're incompetent. An incompetent PVPer will get ganked by people better equipped than him just as an incompetent bear will. A competent PVPer will not get ganked by people better equipped than him, and nor will a competent bear. |

Sin Istersly
Royal Navy Security Services The-Nation
2
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Posted - 2012.01.18 06:25:00 -
[253] - Quote
Tyralyn wrote:smells like a gonns thing posted with a high sec alt  Do you have problems with loosing willing slaves ?
I'm a highsec miner, this is my only character. I'm not cowardly enough to use an alt to voice my opinions, sorry. I stand by what I say instead of hiding from it.
Kahega Amielden wrote:In lowsec you don't get to choose who engages you if you're incompetent. An incompetent PVPer will get ganked by people better equipped than him just as an incompetent bear will. A competent PVPer will not get ganked by people better equipped than him, and nor will a competent bear.
You just proved my point, a PVP vs a PVP. You will NEVER, EVER, EVER see an incompetant PVP'er getting ganked by a Miner or Trader though. That is the point I'm making. Yet, you PVP'ers, think it's your responsibitlity somehow to mess with us miners and traders. Again, risk to isk ratio, way off. I have a chance to make more, but I also have a chance to lose my enormous teir 2 cargo ship. Thier is however no chance my cargo ship is going to take out your Navy Issue Raven. I'll be lucky if I can get away with my pod from that thing.
So again I ask, what risk? |

Sin Istersly
Royal Navy Security Services The-Nation
2
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Posted - 2012.01.18 06:27:00 -
[254] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:Tyralyn wrote:smells like a gonns thing posted with a high sec alt  Do you have problems with loosing willing slaves ? I'm a highsec miner, this is my only character. I'm not cowardly enough to use an alt to voice my opinions, sorry. I stand by what I say instead of hiding from it. Kahega Amielden wrote:In lowsec you don't get to choose who engages you if you're incompetent. An incompetent PVPer will get ganked by people better equipped than him just as an incompetent bear will. A competent PVPer will not get ganked by people better equipped than him, and nor will a competent bear. You just proved my point, a PVP vs a PVP. You will NEVER, EVER, EVER see an incompetant PVP'er getting ganked by a Miner or Trader though. That is the point I'm making. Yet, you PVP'ers, think it's your responsibitlity somehow to mess with us miners and traders. Again, risk to isk ratio, way off. I have a chance to make more, but I also have a chance to lose my enormous teir 2 cargo ship. Thier is however no chance my cargo ship is going to take out your Navy Issue Raven. I'll be lucky if I can get away with my pod from that thing. Their is one point I argue, yes, a competant bear can EASILY get ganked by a better equipped and skilled, yet incompetant PVP'er, simply for lack of ability to defend themselves. That doesnt seem to stop griefers from griefing though. In fact, they seem to get some sort of rush out of killing someone weaker then they. I personally cant imagine what kind of horrible, corrupted, deeply troubled person enjoys torturing helpless, weaker critters that we're no threat to them. But then, I've never had a desire to hurt others. I guess that might just be me and the other carebears though. So again I ask, what risk?
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
101
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Posted - 2012.01.18 07:02:00 -
[255] - Quote
Great idea. The lack of incentive to defeat the mothership as soon as possible is a mechanic, risk vs reward, and immersion breaking hole in the Incursion feature. Looking forward to how this plays out vs the Incursion Cartel. www.noirmercs.com Now Recruiting |

Killa Von Murderer
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 07:23:00 -
[256] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:Darius III wrote:Recoil Happens wrote: Bet that won't be on Darius' re-election platform. Oh, if you only knew how close you were to being deposed... but don't give up hope! Not everyone is going to quit your alliance....
I want EVERYONE to enjoy Eve online. This includes hisec. Everyone must make money. I only want the ISK vs Work/Risk equation to be more balanced. I dont think that's an unfair request, but is being a pirate and attacking defenseless transports and helpless miners really that risky? I dont think it is. I havnt once been killed by a griefer that I posed any conceivable threat too. In fact, every time I've ever lost a ship it's been to someone far more skilled, equipped, and powerful then myself. What risk?!?!?!?!
I guess something like this could always happen. |

Sin Istersly
Royal Navy Security Services The-Nation
2
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Posted - 2012.01.18 07:30:00 -
[257] - Quote
Killa Von Murderer wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:Darius III wrote:Recoil Happens wrote: Bet that won't be on Darius' re-election platform. Oh, if you only knew how close you were to being deposed... but don't give up hope! Not everyone is going to quit your alliance....
I want EVERYONE to enjoy Eve online. This includes hisec. Everyone must make money. I only want the ISK vs Work/Risk equation to be more balanced. I dont think that's an unfair request, but is being a pirate and attacking defenseless transports and helpless miners really that risky? I dont think it is. I havnt once been killed by a griefer that I posed any conceivable threat too. In fact, every time I've ever lost a ship it's been to someone far more skilled, equipped, and powerful then myself. What risk?!?!?!?! I guess something like this could always happen. While it's true that this could happen . . (That was an epic trap setup btw, love it lol) most PVP'er's pick only on miners and traders, knowing that it's likely their ship, even with a full set of skills, is NO match for them. That's what I'm referring too. Although thank you much Von, you've totally given me a new goal to train for to have fun with in high sec.
I dont suppose theirs a corp of greifer griefers out their, is there? lol |

Swiftsoul Tian
Hardcore Smoochies
2
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Posted - 2012.01.18 07:34:00 -
[258] - Quote
Killa Von Murderer wrote:I guess something like this could always happen.
what happened 2 mins later....
The can flipper came back with his can-flipping friends and puffed the hulk - muhhaaaa - risk risk!
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Sin Istersly
Royal Navy Security Services The-Nation
2
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Posted - 2012.01.18 07:38:00 -
[259] - Quote
Swiftsoul Tian wrote:Killa Von Murderer wrote:I guess something like this could always happen. what happened 2 mins later.... The can flipper came back with his can-flipping friends and puffed the hulk - muhhaaaa - risk risk!
Perhaps, but this was still a fight between two PVP'ers. Not a PVP and a carebear. Just because a PVP'er poses as a carebear, doesnt make him one. Were he actually a carebear, he would have lost his hulk during the first encounter if the hulk pilot we're foolish enough to flag himself to the griefer. Am I wrong? |

Iskies now
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 07:40:00 -
[260] - Quote
Quote: Lets say five fleets of eleven guys each making 100M per hour per incursion: Thats 55 people in 5 fleets, making 100M isk each per hour + or - LP's or, 5.5 Bn PER HOUR and thats PER INCURSION Multiple by 20 hours effective per day for 3 incursions.Hope that banning Brick Squad turned out to be a good idea financially, especially regarding the theft of 50 K of Ore. Ban my whole alliance for one guys actions? I'll help the coalition shut down your entire way of life. Hope you guys enjoy having to contest each and every site. We are still in your channels, we had the buckets ready for your tears, and they are DEEEE-LICIOUSSSSSSSS
My my my, now what do we have here? I think I saw the word my used a bit too much there, mister Darius. Even from an alliance leader, using 'my' in reference to the alliance you lead is poor form. Even if the alliance is 'materially' yours, you are not what makes the alliance. The alliance is made up of the people within it. No members = no alliance. It makes you look the part of the dictator.... rather selfish, don't you think?
Then there's that vigilante attitude.... tsk tsk mister CSM... not looking pretty I don't think. You, who were so graciously permitted the luxury of being the player's voice to CCP concerning EvE matters, don't need CCP? It's like a mayor of a town saying he doesn't need the government....What does he plan on doing?...Tsk tsk....
Though I suppose I should move onto my point, yes? Your math, Dear Mister CSM, is atrocious. Five fleets won't be making 100 mill an hour in one incursion. It just won't happen. Why? Well that is rather simple. Each incursion constellation has only three vanguard incursion systems, with the rare exception of a few which have four. Some actually have two. Yes I have seen them. Now, while each system does have six to seven sites (optimally, when not being farmed) in them, there still won't be enough for five fleets to make one hundred million isk an hour each, especially when competing. In order to manage that, each fleet would have to be set up to fill a certain role to kill a specific site. And while BTL does excel at doing OTAs, and TDF completes NCOs at blinding speeds, this still would not be enough. When you have five fleets bouncing around, it is inevitable that there will be contesting. To put it in simple terms for you people who don't understand: One fleet will not get paid for each site contested. So while your theories work out nice on pen and paper mister CSM, I'm afraid I am going to have to inform you of your fatal flaw. This is reality, not the land of perfect. There's no denying incursions generate a lot of isk, however, if you're going to spout numbers, spout realistic ones.
This thread has generated quite a few chuckles from me on both ends. But I feel I must echo the sentiments of a few others here. I find this entire drive for tears to be entirely bemusing. Interestingly enough, the largest source of them are not from the would be grieved incursioners, but rather the gankers themselves, specifically one of their biggest supporters. Thank you mister Darius. You have made a bigger fool out of yourself then I could have done. In your own words, you have undeniably admitted your own butthurt over being banned by COMMUNITY driven incursion channels. You're doing this, by your own words, because they banned 'your' alliance for the actions of one of it's members. Do you know what that sounds like to me? Complaining. Threatening their 'way of life'? Might want to get your jar ready Mister Darius, looks like your own tears might fill them up.
And on another point, aren't you yourself proving your own words incorrect? The entire sentiment of this thread was that there was way too much isk being made by abusing a mechanic with no risk involved. Well, the fact that you CAN gank them proves you wrong. And more to the point, you can cost them large amounts of isk doing it. The fact of the matter is they farm isk by bringing ships. The shinier the ship, the easier they can do it right? That goes both ways. The shinier the ship, the more it costs them when it gets destroyed. So do the math. Destroy their shiny ships and cost them isk. Do it enough, and set them back into t1 battleships. Keep doing it, and drive them off.
"But that's impossible" .... Incorrect. It IS possible. However, the problem lies in the mentality of you and your fellow cohorts. You lack the drive to see your desires reach fruition. So you pick the easiest method possible and create some elaborate excuse for it. If you want to stop these incursions, it's going to take an extended campaign. You should well know Darius that the Delve wars did not last a week. The Siege of PR lasted a whole month ITSELF! and that was hardly the entire war! If you want something done, you have to work for it!
Finally, I'll have to echo a few more sentiments from the sane people of this thread. Either do it, or don't. The theatrics aren't fooling anyone. You'll either succeed in reducing the income generated by incursions in high sec, or you'll go down in history as someone who tried. However, keeping with these theatrics will have you written as the crybaby who fell on his face. Or, if for some reason you're successful with your little charade, You'll be viewed as the one who whined until he got his way.
Is that really how you want yourself to be viewed?
So enough with the Tears crap, and either get on with the show, or get off your little soap box, because if all you're going to do about it is whine, you'll get a little flair of attention for a few weeks, but then you'll be forgotten about. Actually pulling it off will get you remembered for years.
This message has been brought to you by ISKIES NOW!
P.S. CCP your new forums suck. They eat messages. |
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Sin Istersly
Royal Navy Security Services The-Nation
2
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Posted - 2012.01.18 07:52:00 -
[261] - Quote
Wow Iskies, I could not have said that better myself. I think we should all get together and coin a new term in honor of Darius.
Low and behold, the almighty "Crybear" Fear them for they will drown the world in their tears until they get their way. LOL!
Anyone else NOT voting for Darius next election? |

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
510
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Posted - 2012.01.18 08:03:00 -
[262] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:
Anyone else NOT voting for Darius next election?
Prolly the same amount that didn't vote for me before I'd guess. Who even said I was running for CSM anyway? What if I have had my fill of politics and it doesnt suit me? What if I am leaving to go play Harry Potter online? I kind like the idea of Quiddich racing.....
How stupid is CCP? So stupid it took them SEVEN YEARS to make a "loot all' Button. |

Swiftsoul Tian
Hardcore Smoochies
2
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Posted - 2012.01.18 08:03:00 -
[263] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:Swiftsoul Tian wrote:Killa Von Murderer wrote:I guess something like this could always happen. what happened 2 mins later.... The can flipper came back with his can-flipping friends and puffed the hulk - muhhaaaa - risk risk! Perhaps, but this was still a fight between two PVP'ers. Not a PVP and a carebear. Just because a PVP'er poses as a carebear, doesnt make him one. Were he actually a carebear, he would have lost his hulk during the first encounter if the hulk pilot we're foolish enough to flag himself to the griefer. Am I wrong?
I'm still an EVE noob with almost 3mil SP now. I would like to do some PvP but all I've seen so far was just gate ganking: wrap in, scramble, web, dot = puff - nothing to do for me.
Where are the promotional clips with that? Groups of gate gankers gank noob 24/7 - exciting PvP. And to my surprise I see the same gankers crying here. Where is the risk vs reward with that?
Just LMAO! |

Orange Aideron
Black Company Merc's The Aurora Shadow
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 08:04:00 -
[264] - Quote
Down with the mom's. CCP need to fix Incursions. Shinny fleets are boring. And what's up with the frig'n PLEX prices again - fanfest PLEX purchases?
Sigh ...
OJ |

Swiftsoul Tian
Hardcore Smoochies
2
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Posted - 2012.01.18 08:04:00 -
[265] - Quote
Swiftsoul Tian wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:Swiftsoul Tian wrote:[quote=Killa Von Murderer] I guess something like this could always happen. what happened 2 mins later.... The can flipper came back with his can-flipping friends and puffed the hulk - muhhaaaa - risk risk! Perhaps, but this was still a fight between two PVP'ers. Not a PVP and a carebear. Just because a PVP'er poses as a carebear, doesnt make him one. Were he actually a carebear, he would have lost his hulk during the first encounter if the hulk pilot we're foolish enough to flag himself to the griefer. Am I wrong?
I'm still an EVE noob with almost 3mil SP now. I would like to do some PvP but all I've seen so far was just gate ganking: wrap in, scramble, web, dot = puff - nothing to do for me.
Where are the promotional clips with that? Groups of gate gankers gank noobs 24/7 - exciting PvP. And to my surprise I see the same gankers crying here. Where is the risk vs reward with that?
Just LMAO! |

Iskies now
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 08:04:00 -
[266] - Quote
Hate mail may be directed to Iskies Now. I will enjoy reading every one of them . For those who liked it (I know how unlikely that is!) You may also send any words you feel need to be said to my box. Though please make sure to separate them from the haters xD. |

Odium47
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 08:08:00 -
[267] - Quote
So, let me get this straight... You are a pirate ...and you want to disrrupt the activity of carebears in Empire (why? are you to incompetent to do it in low sec, null sec or wh? Is it too tough in there?!) ...moreover, it seems like even for Empire you are crying for help. On top of these, you are making money from ratting just like incursion carebears in the first phase and then there is the extorsion part which seems to be a lot quicker and profitable !!! Not to mention that your randsom extorsion cannot be disrupted by other pirates like it would in a regular low sec. Also, you can agro carebears without points, semi-AFK and with faction/complex modules fitted.
So, dear sir or ma'am, would please refrain from expressing your desires 'cause it make me and others giggle!
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Clyde ElectraGlide
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.01.18 08:15:00 -
[268] - Quote
If I were to participate in these, it wouldn't be for 'hurrdurp bear tears' rather than to make a statement that incursions need looking at balance wise. When the people running incursions see it as more profitable to farm vanguard sites rather than complete the incursions, there's a problem. Maybe it's just me, but it kind of makes sense to, I dunno, complete the incursion? If there isn't incentive enough to do that, then there should be.
What I think could work would be that (keep in mind this is from the perspective of someone that's never done an incursion before) when the mom spawns, all the other sites despawn, or at least stop spawning rats. That would make killing the mom a priority, so that other incursions could pop up and the process could be done again. |

Sin Istersly
Royal Navy Security Services The-Nation
2
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Posted - 2012.01.18 08:28:00 -
[269] - Quote
Clyde ElectraGlide wrote:If I were to participate in these, it wouldn't be for 'hurrdurp bear tears' rather than to make a statement that incursions need looking at balance wise. When the people running incursions see it as more profitable to farm vanguard sites rather than complete the incursions, there's a problem. Maybe it's just me, but it kind of makes sense to, I dunno, complete the incursion? If there isn't incentive enough to do that, then there should be.
What I think could work would be that (keep in mind this is from the perspective of someone that's never done an incursion before) when the mom spawns, all the other sites despawn, or at least stop spawning rats. That would make killing the mom a priority, so that other incursions could pop up and the process could be done again.
I do have to agree on this point. Shouldnt getting to the mothership and taking it out be the ultimate goal of doing an incursion? I'm a newb, and from what I've seen in BTL Pub channel, I'm months at the very least from having the skills to even particiapte in an incursion. However, I still feel that finishing an incursion, and thus, reaping the ultimate rewards of completing it, should be the top goal of an incursion, and the ISK from sites and the lead up to the mothership should be no more then a bonus along the way. |

Tyralyn
Stardust Academy
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 08:29:00 -
[270] - Quote
Darius III wrote:Recoil Happens wrote: Bet that won't be on Darius' re-election platform. Oh, if you only knew how close you were to being deposed... but don't give up hope! Not everyone is going to quit your alliance....
I want EVERYONE to enjoy Eve online. This includes hisec. Everyone must make money. I only want the ISK vs Work/Risk equation to be more balanced.
-The point is 1.5% of the Eve players control 90% of the Money in eve and to control the money they need people -Now we have the sitiation that people can make money without being under control of this 1.5%
I think incursions should be nerved a little bit but not to bad because they have 2 good points, the first point is incursions are the only social pve in eve and the second point is if the 0.0 leaders slave the grunts to hard they have the opionion to make money without be under ctontrol what guarantees a fair play in 00 Btw the second point explaines me the big campaign against the Incursions from the side of some 00 alliance leaders they fear to loos a little bit of the control they have  |
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Cardval Simalia
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.01.18 08:38:00 -
[271] - Quote
Tyralyn wrote:-The point is 1.5% of the Eve players control 90% of the Money in eve and to control the money they need people -Now we have the sitiation that people can make money without being under control of this 1.5% 
Incursion runners are the most elitist pricks in EVE what are you on about, they are the 1% and they are the biggest douches about it in game.
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Tyralyn
Stardust Academy
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 08:45:00 -
[272] - Quote
Cardval Simalia wrote:Tyralyn wrote:-The point is 1.5% of the Eve players control 90% of the Money in eve and to control the money they need people -Now we have the sitiation that people can make money without being under control of this 1.5%  Incursion runners are the most elitist pricks in EVE what are you on about, they are the 1% and they are the biggest douches about it in game.
i fly incursions too atm because i make a 0.0 holiday but i can say you one thing the income of the tec moons we had before was 1000% higher than everey corp can make by running 24/7 Incrusions so dont cry about incursions start think about moon monopoles and napped powerblocks |

Iskies now
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 08:49:00 -
[273] - Quote
Cardval Simalia wrote:Tyralyn wrote:-The point is 1.5% of the Eve players control 90% of the Money in eve and to control the money they need people -Now we have the sitiation that people can make money without being under control of this 1.5%  Incursion runners are the most elitist pricks in EVE what are you on about, they are the 1% and they are the biggest douches about it in game.
And there we have the 'profile bear'. That person who was likely scalded by one or more incursion runner for not having the 'right fit.' Thus they began to think that ALL incursioners must be like them. That's almost like saying every null sec player's like Halada or Kartoon. But yes. EVERYONE who incursions MUST be a ****. Just like everyone in Low sec must be a pirate. There cannot be any exception to that right? You lot will do anything to try and make incursions look bad won't you? My question is why are you so bothered by it? |

LacLongQuan
Deep Space Expedition.
13
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Posted - 2012.01.18 08:54:00 -
[274] - Quote
Tyralyn wrote:Cardval Simalia wrote:Tyralyn wrote:-The point is 1.5% of the Eve players control 90% of the Money in eve and to control the money they need people -Now we have the sitiation that people can make money without being under control of this 1.5%  Incursion runners are the most elitist pricks in EVE what are you on about, they are the 1% and they are the biggest douches about it in game. i fly incursions too atm because i make a 0.0 holiday but i can say you one thing the income of the tec moons we had before was 1000% higher than everey corp can make by running 24/7 Incrusions so dont cry about incursions start think about moon monopoles and napped powerblocks after many posts pointed out the hassle of living in null/wh, how ****** bounty in null is, how low pay wh is. you bears still hang on the tech moon excuse??
find something else |

Iskies now
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 09:01:00 -
[275] - Quote
LacLongQuan wrote:Tyralyn wrote:Cardval Simalia wrote:Tyralyn wrote:-The point is 1.5% of the Eve players control 90% of the Money in eve and to control the money they need people -Now we have the sitiation that people can make money without being under control of this 1.5%  Incursion runners are the most elitist pricks in EVE what are you on about, they are the 1% and they are the biggest douches about it in game. i fly incursions too atm because i make a 0.0 holiday but i can say you one thing the income of the tec moons we had before was 1000% higher than everey corp can make by running 24/7 Incrusions so dont cry about incursions start think about moon monopoles and napped powerblocks after many posts pointed out the hassle of living in null/wh, how ****** bounty in null is, how low pay wh is. you bears still hang on the tech moon excuse?? find something else
Someone didn't read what was said. |

Bootsy 79
S.O.S Magellan Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 09:08:00 -
[276] - Quote
Finaly someone who is fighting this F*** Incursion Farmers. 6 Days Incursion is to much for a miner, missionrunner and producer. I would like to help but i can only use shieldtanked ships cause i am caldari. I am skilling for amortanks but this will need a few months to make it effective. By the way...i`ll join your channel to see what happens. Thank u so much... |

Bernie Nator
Insidious Design Talocan United
60
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Posted - 2012.01.18 09:08:00 -
[277] - Quote
LacLongQuan wrote:Tyralyn wrote:Cardval Simalia wrote:Tyralyn wrote:-The point is 1.5% of the Eve players control 90% of the Money in eve and to control the money they need people -Now we have the sitiation that people can make money without being under control of this 1.5%  Incursion runners are the most elitist pricks in EVE what are you on about, they are the 1% and they are the biggest douches about it in game. i fly incursions too atm because i make a 0.0 holiday but i can say you one thing the income of the tec moons we had before was 1000% higher than everey corp can make by running 24/7 Incrusions so dont cry about incursions start think about moon monopoles and napped powerblocks after many posts pointed out the hassle of living in null/wh, how ****** bounty in null is, how low pay wh is. you bears still hang on the tech moon excuse?? find something else
Whoa, hey pal, you sure you're playing this game right? Last i checked my hole was doing pretty well for itself. |

Tyralyn
Stardust Academy
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 09:09:00 -
[278] - Quote
LacLongQuan wrote:Tyralyn wrote:Cardval Simalia wrote:Tyralyn wrote:-The point is 1.5% of the Eve players control 90% of the Money in eve and to control the money they need people -Now we have the sitiation that people can make money without being under control of this 1.5%  Incursion runners are the most elitist pricks in EVE what are you on about, they are the 1% and they are the biggest douches about it in game. i fly incursions too atm because i make a 0.0 holiday but i can say you one thing the income of the tec moons we had before was 1000% higher than everey corp can make by running 24/7 Incrusions so dont cry about incursions start think about moon monopoles and napped powerblocks after many posts pointed out the hassle of living in null/wh, how ****** bounty in null is, how low pay wh is. you bears still hang on the tech moon excuse?? find something else
olny the anger about the control fanatics in this game i lived realy well in 0.0 too but now i have a periode with much rl and i can-¦t fly 9 h cta-¦s + ratting to buy clone upgrades and new caps. That is the reason why i was happy about the incurison to make a little holiday in high sec and get a solid money backup to get back in 0.0 The only thing i miss is the pvp but you should know no money no pvp :-P |

Alxea
DARKNESS RISING. IMPERIAL LEGI0N
55
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Posted - 2012.01.18 10:47:00 -
[279] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Before words ---- Yes, it's this thread again. No, it's not just empty words. This was posted many days ago, but I decided to take it down to have some chats with a few selected people before finalizing everything. _____________________ We have come to the conclusion that even though blackbird suicide ganking is a profitable and very fun activity it only limits the Incursion Bear activities by some degree. If we are to end their reign once and for all which has lasted for almost a year it is time we do it now. We would like to announce the creation of a wonderful and most generous channel named: "Grief the Bears" with the sole purpose of taking down all motherships in highsec as soon as they appear and end the incursion just like CCP intended.... We shall put an end to this inhuman farming and abuse of game mechanics. We have to put a gag to this ISK faucet and shake up those bears. If they wanna do incursions they can go to lowsec or nullsec.  What do we require and why do we need you?
- 30-40 bodies to effectively fight off the site and finish it.
- Armor buffer fit battleships and a handful subbattleships.
- T2 logistic ships.
- Empty tear jars.
So join us at the channel ----> Grief the Bears and let us finally put an end to all this. Once all the highsec incursions are down they will not respawn for another 24+ hours. When that one will spawn it will only take the bears 4-5 hours to make the mothership appear and then we shall sweep in yet again and finish it. Can you imagine highsec where the bears only get to incursion 15-20 hours for a whole week? I can and it is filled with tears.... PS: Beware that extracting a sufficient amount of tears will result in merc wardecs hired by rich bears. I see this as a side bonus! _______________ Above is the simple plan. We cannot keep on waiting and whining to CCP. We are taking matters into our own hands with or without you. If you want to join, feel free to. If you rather not that is fine too. But if you want to whine and complain because we are stopping the ISK faucet then make sure you are crying into one of our jars. Fly much reckless 
Heres a better solution, CCP should make incursion space all 0.0 no matter where it is, even in highsec. Sec status should not matter. That will raise the risk greatly and allow us to kill the bears. 
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tu at
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 10:56:00 -
[280] - Quote
good job Ammzi , good job :) |
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tu at
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 10:57:00 -
[281] - Quote
tu at wrote:good job Ammzi , good job :) .... I ment Krissada :)))) nvm , same person
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janzzen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 11:35:00 -
[282] - Quote
Mr Darius
Start booting all bots out of your own alliance if you want to make Eve a fair place to play instead of harassing people who are in no way breaking the eula.
In my opinion it quite hypocritical what you are doing. Better the world, start with yourself. |

Jita Joe2 Jones
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 11:58:00 -
[283] - Quote
People are making too much money and having too much fun and we need to fix it LOL too funny! |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
53
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Posted - 2012.01.18 12:21:00 -
[284] - Quote
Hahaha. Do you think I am a simple griefer? A simple ganker? One without visions, plans or any objectives at all? If so you have truely underestimated me.
As tu at is saying. I am Ammzi! Who else would I be? BTL leader and ultimate incursionbear.  |

Orvy
Triton Research Illuminati.
2
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Posted - 2012.01.18 12:54:00 -
[285] - Quote
I think if you can do this it'd be great.
i used to run incursions in a mach with a group called SSN, i made 1.2b in a day by running vanguards, and over 500m/day on the other incursion days (i just wasnt on as much) and at the end of it i didnt make the top 9 on the 'constellation liberated' notification. which goes to show how much the other all made.. i remember one notification all 9 were people from the SSN group.. they have done it repeatedly too.
IMO as soon as the mom spawns all sites should be terminated and only the mom plex left or whatever it is (i never killed a mom in incursions, i was just farming like you say)
or atleast all sites should be terminated once its spawned and the penalties are 0%.. |

Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
248
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Posted - 2012.01.18 13:27:00 -
[286] - Quote
Looking forward to see you fail. |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
565
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Posted - 2012.01.18 13:36:00 -
[287] - Quote
Darius III wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:
Anyone else NOT voting for Darius next election?
Prolly the same amount that didn't vote for me before I'd guess. Who even said I was running for CSM anyway? What if I have had my fill of politics and it doesnt suit me? What if I am leaving to go play Harry Potter online? I kind like the idea of Quiddich racing.....
Who said?
You did in the other topic.
And it will be far worse than not vote for you this time. You will face a serious political effort to remove you from the CSM. Your actions ought to net you a recall vote at once but ill settle for the incursion groups running a candidate who is actually serious about keeping OP nullsec politics out of hisec.
Maybe this time we can focus on stripping nullsec of its hold on the CSM. The Drake nerf alone and the CSMs support of it should galvanize hisec support against you. |

Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
6
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Posted - 2012.01.18 13:47:00 -
[288] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet, seriously, please lay down your freaking tinfoil hat, it's doing you no good besides making you look like a raving lunatic. There is no 0.0 politic involved in this.
This whole "event" have been organized and put together by highsec and wormhole players, 0.0 have had absolutely nothing to do with it. Darius himself came in on it in the last second, which I believe he's already stated a few times? |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
566
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Posted - 2012.01.18 13:53:00 -
[289] - Quote
Hoxothul wrote:Endeavour Starfleet, seriously, please lay down your freaking tinfoil hat, it's doing you no good besides making you look like a raving lunatic. There is no 0.0 politic involved in this.
This whole "event" have been organized and put together by highsec and wormhole players, 0.0 have had absolutely nothing to do with it. Darius himself came in on it in the last second, which I believe he's already stated a few times?
Said a few times? As in saying he will rep your ship type times? 
0.0 Has everything to do with this. |

Graeme Rowney
Revenge of the Noobs Mortal Destruction
4
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Posted - 2012.01.18 14:22:00 -
[290] - Quote
This is excellent. -,- Eve is hard enough as it is to get into without removing the one decent source of income out there for new players. Ever think that the 'bears' might be using this new found isk to fund other accounts and start to pvp. I sure as hell know that me and all my friends are. Why dont you just kill mission runners they can make just as much isk as incursions but incursions are the peek of pve. Instead of grinding alone you grind with friends and even make new ones. Thats what this game is about not the super powers running each and every aspect of the game just because they have been playing it longer.
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Christina Trild
SkyNet Experiments
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 14:50:00 -
[291] - Quote
IM up for it 100% lets make them gain isk the hard way |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
569
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Posted - 2012.01.18 14:56:00 -
[292] - Quote
Christina Trild wrote:IM up for it 100% lets make them gain isk the hard way
Wow burned your character from ever getting in a decent incursion fleet in a single forum post. Congrats! |

G0hme
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
3
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:06:00 -
[293] - Quote
Iskies now wrote:....... bla bla bla...... 100m/h not possible...... bla bla bla
So if we can, while running Incursion back when gathering for POCOs. Then why can't you? Sounds like a learn to play issue.
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:..... bla bla bla conspiracy theories..... bla bla bla
I bet you had a woody after 9/11, didn't you? |

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
514
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:08:00 -
[294] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:
And it will be far worse than not vote for you this time. You will face a serious political effort to remove you from the CSM. Your actions ought to net you a recall vote at once but ill settle for the incursion groups running a candidate who is actually serious about keeping OP nullsec politics out of hisec.
Maybe this time we can focus on stripping nullsec of its hold on the CSM. The Drake nerf alone and the CSMs support of it should galvanize hisec support against you.[/quote
HAHAHAH you are truly a moron or are a master troller the likes of which the world has never before seen. Usually I don't stoop to name calling because it tarnishes my otherwise pristine image. But for you I will. You are one of the dumbest people I have encountered in Eve, and your beliefs about what is going on are so far from the truth that I don't see any point in trying to open your eyes to the realities of the situation.
This scum pubbie obviously has RL works confused with Eve Online. There is no "Recall vote" and if you had read any of whats been written, you'd know that I got in at last minute and this has jack to do with 0.0. FFS Brick lives in Lowsec at the moment anyway. Your moronic drivel makes me want to form a fleet RIGHT NOW and kill the remaining incursions so I can do more :smugface:. Hows about YOU ORGANIZE MY RECALL VOTE and get me kicked from CSM? Sounds like something you believe in and with all this enegry you have, should be good creative outlet. Let me know how it works out, kthxbai.
All I can suggest to you Endeavour Starfleet (what kind of moron name is that anyway?) is to run along and let the adults do our thing. This conversation is for grown ups and children with their incomplete worldview, are encouraged NOT to participate.
[quote=janzzen]Mr Darius
Start booting all bots out of your own alliance if you want to make Eve a fair place to play instead of harassing people who are in no way breaking the eula.
In my opinion it quite hypocritical what you are doing. Better the world, start with yourself.
We don't have bots in Brick Squad to the best of my knowwledge. Not owning any 'real' Sov, there would be nowhere for our guys to use them if they wanted too. I am very much anti-botting and I hate what bots have done to eve. They degrade the experience for the rest of us. Too bad CCP is so inept at catching them. I think they really dont care because if they kicked the botters at this point, it would make Eve look like a dying game.
How stupid is CCP? So stupid it took them SEVEN YEARS to make a "loot all' Button. |

Brother Galladrinal
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
3
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:22:00 -
[295] - Quote
Confirming we have pvp bots running 23/7....some of us need a little tweaking though.  |

Shukuzen Kiraa
0uter Ring Excavations Outer Ring Excavations Syndicate
33
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:30:00 -
[296] - Quote
Darius III wrote:
HAHAHAH you are truly a moron or are a master troller the likes of which the world has never before seen. Usually I don't stoop to name calling because it tarnishes my otherwise pristine image. But for you I will. You are one of the dumbest people I have encountered in Eve, and your beliefs about what is going on are so far from the truth that I don't see any point in trying to open your eyes to the realities of the situation.
This scum pubbie obviously has RL works confused with Eve Online. There is no "Recall vote" and if you had read any of whats been written, you'd know that I got in at last minute and this has jack to do with 0.0. FFS Brick lives in Lowsec at the moment anyway. Your moronic drivel makes me want to form a fleet RIGHT NOW and kill the remaining incursions so I can do more :smugface:. Hows about YOU ORGANIZE MY RECALL VOTE and get me kicked from CSM? Sounds like something you believe in and with all this enegry you have, should be good creative outlet. Let me know how it works out, kthxbai.
All I can suggest to you Endeavour Starfleet (what kind of moron name is that anyway?) is to run along and let the adults do our thing. This conversation is for grown ups and children with their incomplete worldview, are encouraged NOT to participate.
So glad you're a CSM. I especially like the parts where you name call and act like a 4yr old. I like the fact that you insult the guy and act like you're simply better than he is. The thing I like most is how you and your buddies are crying over high sec players making lots of isk. And your response to stop it is just to grief people and act like immature children while doing it, totally unique idea..nobody have ever thought of griefing high sec players before  |

Dzajic
30
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:32:00 -
[297] - Quote
Orvy wrote:I think if you can do this it'd be great.
i used to run incursions in a mach with a group called SSN, i made 1.2b in a day by running vanguards, and over 500m/day on the other incursion days (i just wasnt on as much) and at the end of it i didnt make the top 9 on the 'constellation liberated' notification. which goes to show how much the other all made.. i remember one notification all 9 were people from the SSN group.. they have done it repeatedly too.
IMO as soon as the mom spawns all sites should be terminated and only the mom plex left or whatever it is (i never killed a mom in incursions, i was just farming like you say)
or atleast all sites should be terminated once its spawned and the penalties are 0%..
Wow... you were playing EVE 10 hours a day? Not healthy for you man. |

Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
6
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:37:00 -
[298] - Quote
Shukuzen Kiraa wrote:So glad you're a CSM. I especially like the parts where you name call and act like a 4yr old. I like the fact that you insult the guy and act like you're simply better than he is. The thing I like most is how you and your buddies are crying over high sec players making lots of isk. And your response to stop it is just to grief people and act like immature children while doing it, totally unique idea..nobody have ever thought of griefing high sec players before 
Our responds is to play the game as was designed to be played, kill the mothership, not leave it alone and abuse a horrible game mechanic to farm isk. |

G0hme
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
3
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:37:00 -
[299] - Quote
Shukuzen Kiraa wrote:Darius III wrote:
HAHAHAH you are truly a moron or are a master troller the likes of which the world has never before seen. Usually I don't stoop to name calling because it tarnishes my otherwise pristine image. But for you I will. You are one of the dumbest people I have encountered in Eve, and your beliefs about what is going on are so far from the truth that I don't see any point in trying to open your eyes to the realities of the situation.
This scum pubbie obviously has RL works confused with Eve Online. There is no "Recall vote" and if you had read any of whats been written, you'd know that I got in at last minute and this has jack to do with 0.0. FFS Brick lives in Lowsec at the moment anyway. Your moronic drivel makes me want to form a fleet RIGHT NOW and kill the remaining incursions so I can do more :smugface:. Hows about YOU ORGANIZE MY RECALL VOTE and get me kicked from CSM? Sounds like something you believe in and with all this enegry you have, should be good creative outlet. Let me know how it works out, kthxbai.
All I can suggest to you Endeavour Starfleet (what kind of moron name is that anyway?) is to run along and let the adults do our thing. This conversation is for grown ups and children with their incomplete worldview, are encouraged NOT to participate.
So glad you're a CSM. I especially like the parts where you name call and act like a 4yr old. I like the fact that you insult the guy and act like you're simply better than he is. The thing I like most is how you and your buddies are crying over high sec players making lots of isk. And your response to stop it is just to grief people and act like immature children while doing it, totally unique idea..nobody have ever thought of griefing high sec players before 
So all of a sudden CSMs have to be saints? The only obligation CSM has is to listen to the opinion of the player base and relay that to CCP. And right now...... He is doing exactly that.
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Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
569
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Posted - 2012.01.18 15:46:00 -
[300] - Quote
Darius if my posting encourages you to go blast the mom sites then that is your choice. Get more people blacklisted Then once BTL rages at me they can get off their lazy butt and form ECM fleets to stop you and then work for your voting out of the CSM.
Seriously I look forward you saying "This Incursion stoppage brought to you by the postings of Endeavour Starfleet" So from this point on your further interdiction will be just helping me. |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1123
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:03:00 -
[301] - Quote
Hoxothul wrote:Shukuzen Kiraa wrote:So glad you're a CSM. I especially like the parts where you name call and act like a 4yr old. I like the fact that you insult the guy and act like you're simply better than he is. The thing I like most is how you and your buddies are crying over high sec players making lots of isk. And your response to stop it is just to grief people and act like immature children while doing it, totally unique idea..nobody have ever thought of griefing high sec players before  Our responds is to play the game as was designed to be played, kill the mothership, not leave it alone and abuse a horrible game mechanic to farm isk.
Once more: the mothership is a perfectly legitimate PVE target. Just because some people agreed on leaving it alone, outside of any consideration of other players and game mechanics, does not make it "illegal" to destroy it when it appears.
Then seeking to ban from any incursions channels those who run against the "doctrine" is adding to the "shineys only" mentality that shuts out newer players.
Who is really griefing who?
Finally, all of those players who could not get involved in incursions before can now put together a T1 BSwith 70% + resists in armor, 90K+ EHP, and join in (you will need good DPS too don't overlook that) .
The farming has turned the whole incursion thing into a huge letdown after those epic live events, so therefore, live events are coming back to incursions. When that mom appears, let players swarm it, like we used to to do Citizen Astur and other known Sansha cronies.
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Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
570
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:08:00 -
[302] - Quote
Oh you may swarm the mom site. Tho you may be surprised at what awaits you this time. Might be quite fun indeed. And for those who do try to bust the sites. Do enjoy your blacklisting. |

Shukuzen Kiraa
0uter Ring Excavations Outer Ring Excavations Syndicate
33
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:11:00 -
[303] - Quote
G0hme wrote:
So all of a sudden CSMs have to be saints? The only obligation CSM has is to listen to the opinion of the player base and relay that to CCP. And right now...... He is doing exactly that.
No, they don't have to be saints... but they dont need to act like an angry 9yr old who is whining because they didn't get their way. I have no issues with what they want to do to incursions in the least. |

Asurymen
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
6
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:17:00 -
[304] - Quote
I felt a disturbance in my Eve, as if a million desperate carebears cried out at once...... |

Stringar
Warsmiths Warsmiths.
5
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:33:00 -
[305] - Quote
Unfortunely most corps are forced to do incursions to keep their low to null sec corps running, taking away high sec incursion just means less people will play , also make them less willing to go into low sec
eve will probably see a loss of about 10,000 players undoubtly and great drop in sales stuff as plex buying
but atleast it will kill Jita spammers to a point  |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
570
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:35:00 -
[306] - Quote
BTW if you are serious about busting the mom sites because of my posts I hope you don't accept any kind of bribes. I would hate for BTL to not luv me more because they had to only pay an extra 500M today to spam their fits. |

gellente tntimy
the dragon lives the dragons of eve
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:37:00 -
[307] - Quote
Tears are already flowing i like it i will probably join you guys in this when i can. your tear bottles may be overflowing by the time this starts because of this post/threat |

Sin Istersly
Royal Navy Security Services The-Nation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:40:00 -
[308] - Quote
Darius III wrote:
HAHAHAH you are truly a moron or are a master troller the likes of which the world has never before seen. Usually I don't stoop to name calling because it tarnishes my otherwise pristine image. But for you I will. You are one of the dumbest people I have encountered in Eve, and your beliefs about what is going on are so far from the truth that I don't see any point in trying to open your eyes to the realities of the situation.
This scum pubbie obviously has RL works confused with Eve Online. There is no "Recall vote" and if you had read any of whats been written, you'd know that I got in at last minute and this has jack to do with 0.0. FFS Brick lives in Lowsec at the moment anyway. Your moronic drivel makes me want to form a fleet RIGHT NOW and kill the remaining incursions so I can do more :smugface:. Hows about YOU ORGANIZE MY RECALL VOTE and get me kicked from CSM? Sounds like something you believe in and with all this enegry you have, should be good creative outlet. Let me know how it works out, kthxbai.
All I can suggest to you Endeavour Starfleet (what kind of moron name is that anyway?) is to run along and let the adults do our thing. This conversation is for grown ups and children with their incomplete worldview, are encouraged NOT to participate.
Honestly, Darius, you sound just as bad as any politician I've ever heard get busted and try to talk his way out of his burning paper bag full of dogshit. Instead of making any remote attempt to defend your position you instead try to discredit and insult your opponents position. Being American I'm VERY familiar with political corruption, power tripping control freaks, and whining crybabies when their power starts to faulter.
I dont think you have the slightest clue how transparent you really are, or how shortsighted and ignorant you seem. If people are making tons of ISK, then that means that production, trading, couriers, and miners, are simply going to get more for their hard earned work. True hard earned work. Not the hard earned work of sitting on a gate camp for hours on end. Not the hard earned work of figuring a new way to get someone to flag themselves too you. This entire line of tear driving is nothing more then a "People arnt flying in my nullsec routes anymore" temper tantrum.
On a further note, your almost violent reaction probably means that Endeavour hit a nerve. I dont think I've seen a response in this thread yet with so much force and energy. I've seen people react like this, when they want to deny the truth and turn the focus off of themselves.
Shukuzen Kiraa wrote:G0hme wrote:
So all of a sudden CSMs have to be saints? The only obligation CSM has is to listen to the opinion of the player base and relay that to CCP. And right now...... He is doing exactly that.
No, they don't have to be saints... but they dont need to act like an angry 9yr old who is whining because they didn't get their way. I have no issues with what they want to do to incursions in the least.
I would hope that at the very least the so called "Leadership" upholds a certain level of maturity, and ethics, as it were, in the demonstration of there assigned responsibilities. No, they dont have to be saints, but they should be nothing less then the highest example of an honorable, honest, and fair player. While their are some honorable pirates, for the most part, pirates are sickly, low, selfish, greedy, arrogant jerks, who's favorite thing in game is a completely unfair, one sided slaughter fest.
The incursion farming makes people money without venturing into nullsec, so the pirates are crying cus there not making money off ganking defenseless transport ships and young players that can barely fly the small ship they are in. Wah.
Just on a personal note however, I have to agree that the elitism with incursions is rather daunting and overwhelming. Most of what gets posted in BTL Pub, I barely understand the shortened terms and notations, let alone will I ever get a chance to participate in them most likely. Do you hear my crying every day about how my game experience is destroyed by the pirates or the elitists? No. I still find ways to enjoy the game. The difference is, I can enjoy the game without ruining it for others, it seems to me that the pirates encouraging this type of behavior, cannot.
Am I the only one who finds it horrible pathetic, whiney, selfish, and arrogant to cry like a newborn child when your ability to destroy other peoples game experience is diminished? I cant gank stupid newbs cus they wont come into my nullsec hunting zone! WAH! WAH! WAH!
Honestly, I wouldnt be even remotely surprised if half of the pirates currently working to raise their security status to go grief the Incursioners wind up joining them and making better money then they did picking on helpless targets in nullsec. It's indicative of the type of people who gain joy from other peoples displeasure.
Good people help others and work together. Jerks only care about themselves, they dont care if they harm others. Evil people actually care and enjoy hurting others. Simple psychological truth. Whine and cry and pose behind almighty pseudo reasoning all you want, but it's a fact of life. Some people are just evil.
EDIT: Oh, and before I leave the door open for someone to yell at me about "Confusing a game with real life" I'm not. While Eve is just a game, the people who play it, and their underlying (and transparent) psychology is very real. |

Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
6
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:46:00 -
[309] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote: Good people help others and work together. Jerks only care about themselves, they dont care if they harm others. Evil people actually care and enjoy hurting others. Simple psychological truth. Whine and cry and pose behind almighty pseudo reasoning all you want, but it's a fact of life. Some people are just evil.
Fact of life, every human are selfish beings. Those out there helping other people? Selfish as hell, cause the only reason they are doing it, is because it makes them self feel good on the inside. |

Christina Trild
SkyNet Experiments
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 16:53:00 -
[310] - Quote
http://pastebin.com/5gnS9ExW
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=12141549
all of that can be achieved by Removing 1 energy transfer :)
total loss 1 mach+1 nightmare +1 mael (mael was mine and insurance covered it i had no mods on it except invuls shield ext etc i lost 20m but gained a nice amount of isk from their wrecks
also what you can do to kill all logi's 6 tornado's, 2 on each Logistics pilot 6x60(hull+fitting)=320m gank the logi's and then, you can shoot other people if concord hasn't arrived yet if they have you can sit in your pods to watch the other Pilots die. Rinse and repeat if you have a orca
note for this to effectively work you need to be able to get atleast 2 shots. note having a alt scoop up wrecks works nice also
if they have 3 logi you use 2 on each if they have 3 you use 3 on each simple :)
Dont forget to overload because 1x2 shots wont pop a well fitted logi |
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Sin Istersly
Royal Navy Security Services The-Nation
4
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:00:00 -
[311] - Quote
Hoxothul wrote:Sin Istersly wrote: Good people help others and work together. Jerks only care about themselves, they dont care if they harm others. Evil people actually care and enjoy hurting others. Simple psychological truth. Whine and cry and pose behind almighty pseudo reasoning all you want, but it's a fact of life. Some people are just evil.
Fact of life, every human are selfish beings. Those out there helping other people? Selfish as hell, cause the only reason they are doing it, is because it makes them self feel good on the inside. I would argue that a very small amount of people are not selfish. But, humans are also variable. Even the kindest, most generous person caught at the wrong moment can come across as a selfish arrogant ass. Trust me I know, I've been on both sides of the coin. What you have to remember though also, is generous, kind people, are often taken advantage of by cruel selfish people. So I dont think it's true they dont exist, I think they simply hide to a certain extent, like me.
I've met some very generous and kind people on Eve. Heck, an alliance friend of mine essentially bought me a Drake. She requested nothing in return, and we havnt really played together much since for no reason other then bad timing. Now, what selfish reasoning propelled her into donating me 35 million ISK, I dont know. Perhaps I'm wrong, but from my perspective, this was an entirely unselfish, generous, and kind act, with no thought or regard to return compensation.
Also, if people enjoy helping others, how's that a selfish act? Helping encourages others to help as well, it also promotes the social interaction which is the basic underlying purpose of any MMORPG not entirely geared towards making money. It's a social game. That's like saying a Pro Poker player who sits down and plays with a few buddies just to relax and enjoy, and doesnt whoop all their butts when he easily could, is being selfish by generously not controlling the game. Maybe he wants to play with his friends? And since when is doing what someone wants selfish and not allowed? Everyone does what they want, even criminals, even hard workers. Just because you hate your job and dont want to go to it, doesnt mean your not going to, but the fact is, if you didnt want to go to work badly enough, you wouldnt.
You have to remember, especially with psychology, every single purpose, thought, emotion, and action is dictated by any number of other thoughts, emotions, or intents, which are then also influenced by other thoughts and emotions and intents. Nobody wants to work a dead end job, but they also dont want to be homeless and starving. So you work a dead end job, to pay the bills, to get by, so you can do what you want and enjoy it. |

Adamus Gerrard
7th Regiment
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:00:00 -
[312] - Quote
Honestly? You're only pissed cuz you're an elitist. Well, "Tom Cruise", I don't really care about your fears, cuz who the hell boasts crying to CCP? If younger players get the opportunity to earn real ISK instead of grinding level fours for years, and this is a problem, maybe you should address more pressing concerns, for example, your tears resulting from feeling you've been wronged. Grow up, quit, or an hero. And shut up. Can't forget that last one! |

Adamus Gerrard
7th Regiment
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:01:00 -
[313] - Quote
And that's addressed to the cake eater who started this thread |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
59
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:04:00 -
[314] - Quote
Adamus Gerrard wrote: Honestly? You're only pissed cuz you're an elitist. Well, "Tom Cruise", I don't really care about your fears, cuz who the hell boasts crying to CCP? If younger players get the opportunity to earn real ISK instead of grinding level fours for years, and this is a problem, maybe you should address more pressing concerns, for example, your tears resulting from feeling you've been wronged. Grow up, quit, or an hero. And shut up. Can't forget that last one!
Me being elitist? Mate take a look at all your incursion bear buddies. They are all saying that incursions currently are really tough for the lesser-PUG fleets to get into. All the elitism and competition in incursions are kicking them out.
Oh ****. Did I just ruin all your arguments using carebear arguments!? |

Buruk Utama
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
75
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Posted - 2012.01.18 17:32:00 -
[315] - Quote
The fighting here simply remind me of : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBeAjISBb2U in particular 2:22 is how I now picture certain pilots here when they explode their delight all over in trying to ruin someone's game.
//not an incursion runner ///will sell you a nice incursion pilot if you need it (3 in stock!) |

G0hme
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.18 18:15:00 -
[316] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote: I would argue that a very small amount of people are not selfish. But, humans are also variable. Even the kindest, most generous person caught at the wrong moment can come across as a selfish arrogant ass. Trust me I know, I've been on both sides of the coin. What you have to remember though also, is generous, kind people, are often taken advantage of by cruel selfish people. So I dont think it's true they dont exist, I think they simply hide to a certain extent, like me.
I've met some very generous and kind people on Eve. Heck, an alliance friend of mine essentially bought me a Drake. She requested nothing in return, and we havnt really played together much since for no reason other then bad timing. Now, what selfish reasoning propelled her into donating me 35 million ISK, I dont know. Perhaps I'm wrong, but from my perspective, this was an entirely unselfish, generous, and kind act, with no thought or regard to return compensation.
Also, if people enjoy helping others, how's that a selfish act? Helping encourages others to help as well, it also promotes the social interaction which is the basic underlying purpose of any MMORPG not entirely geared towards making money. It's a social game. That's like saying a Pro Poker player who sits down and plays with a few buddies just to relax and enjoy, and doesnt whoop all their butts when he easily could, is being selfish by generously not controlling the game. Maybe he wants to play with his friends? And since when is doing what someone wants selfish and not allowed? Everyone does what they want, even criminals, even hard workers. Just because you hate your job and dont want to go to it, doesnt mean your not going to, but the fact is, if you didnt want to go to work badly enough, you wouldnt.
You have to remember, especially with psychology, every single purpose, thought, emotion, and action is dictated by any number of other thoughts, emotions, or intents, which are then also influenced by other thoughts and emotions and intents. Nobody wants to work a dead end job, but they also dont want to be homeless and starving. So you work a dead end job, to pay the bills, to get by, so you can do what you want and enjoy it.
Its a game, CSM was elected by virtual players. And still they do not have to answer to F*** all if they do not want to. Its not they were elected President of the US and have to answer to your desires.
Initially i was gonna write a wall about assumed personalities, but then i realised, you're prolly too full of yourself to acknowledge it anyway. Its nice that you prolly just finished studying psychology, and now crusade to lecture the EVE community. This is not the real world, but from your words it seem like you haven't realised it yet. People can act how ever they bloody want, CCP are the ones who decides to allow it or not. Not some self-righteous prick like you.
And I am sorry to laugh in your direction, but you seem to think that its the production and industrial players that benefits from Incursions. It is sure as hell not the Supply and Demand that dictates the pricings these days. When CCP decided to let the ATMs spit out a continues stream of never ending Isk, they messed up the economy for all except the Incursion runners, since they are the ones camping the ATMs like a Snickers at Fat Camp. I dont want to see Incursions gone, but the Isk output needs to go down. Anyone trying to argue that earning more in a near-risk free environment vs high risk environments are bonkers and just greedy bastards in my eyes. How can that possibly be fair?
I'll answer that, its not. Ever heard of "the bigger the risk, the greater the reward"? Well it gone from EVE Online right now. Production and Industrialist doesn't need Incursion runners. They were doing fine even before that. What they can't live without are the NS/LS/WH-space inhabitants, who are the ones that actually buys all of their T1s and mods, because they actually loose them. Maybe you have spendt to much time in Incursions that you actually didnt realised that.
What my personal goal is here with making Incursion runners die, and killing MOMs, is to actually put some work and effort back into a lost event. People like BTL will screw over the newbies even if we are not there. Because how can a T1 fleet compete with the BTL Fleet of Scrubs. Hopefully but limiting the availability of Incursions, CCP will realised that something is wrong here.
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Recoil Happens
Debatable Results
11
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Posted - 2012.01.18 18:18:00 -
[317] - Quote
ahh, Darius.... The pressure builds and as usual, you spend too much time in your CQ looking at your " pristine image" in your mirror and when not doing that, you are sprawled on the floor kicking, pounding your fists, whining that anyone who can't see your greatness is an idiot. Go ahead, hold your breath till you turn blue instead of just threatening to do so, again.
It is obvious that you want "EVERYONE to enjoy Eve". Well, the guy you just spent a few paragraphs attempting to destroy in your childish way is ONE of the EVERYONE - Just as are the employees of Eve, whom your sig decries as idiots.
I am enjoying this unraveling process, because I get to see it from both sides, the public you and the you only seen by your alliance scrubs - many of whom would get a broken nose if you made a sharp turn while walking.
Soon, you will find out who, among the few who are left, are really deluded enough to continue to follow you into the bowels of failure and who will be dancing on your game world grave. Enjoy Harry Potter. Came "in at the last minute", cough, cough, some warned you that would never fly.
Krissy..... Krissy...... "simple ganker" Certainly not, YOU are a ganker with issues!
Visions, sure... You have been spending too much time standing in your CQ looking out at the hangar bay and mumbling, "Mine.... ALL MINE.... and then looking thru those rose colored glasses at your image in the mirror to admire your blossoming megalomania.... you are not simple ganker, you are a simple ganker with a grandiose view of yourself. Try holding your breath instead of inhaling deeply while you pour on the hairspray and that cheap "Yulai, so Soume" brand of perfume.
get over yourselves, kids |

Agonis
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 18:42:00 -
[318] - Quote
I love how this topic has spiraled into little more than childish rants between both sides.
A CSM that acts out and demonstrates a complete lack of maturity. The OP who is crying over nothing. And tons of people trying to act as if they're fighting the good fight here.
As if these same mechanics don't apply to people in low sec and null sec that also farm incursions and make tons of ISK doing so.
Please stop acting like this issue is relegated to high sec players alone. |

Jita Joe2 Jones
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.18 18:42:00 -
[319] - Quote
G0hme wrote:Shukuzen Kiraa wrote:Darius III wrote:
HAHAHAH you are truly a moron or are a master troller the likes of which the world has never before seen. Usually I don't stoop to name calling because it tarnishes my otherwise pristine image. But for you I will. You are one of the dumbest people I have encountered in Eve, and your beliefs about what is going on are so far from the truth that I don't see any point in trying to open your eyes to the realities of the situation.
This scum pubbie obviously has RL works confused with Eve Online. There is no "Recall vote" and if you had read any of whats been written, you'd know that I got in at last minute and this has jack to do with 0.0. FFS Brick lives in Lowsec at the moment anyway. Your moronic drivel makes me want to form a fleet RIGHT NOW and kill the remaining incursions so I can do more :smugface:. Hows about YOU ORGANIZE MY RECALL VOTE and get me kicked from CSM? Sounds like something you believe in and with all this enegry you have, should be good creative outlet. Let me know how it works out, kthxbai.
All I can suggest to you Endeavour Starfleet (what kind of moron name is that anyway?) is to run along and let the adults do our thing. This conversation is for grown ups and children with their incomplete worldview, are encouraged NOT to participate.
So glad you're a CSM. I especially like the parts where you name call and act like a 4yr old. I like the fact that you insult the guy and act like you're simply better than he is. The thing I like most is how you and your buddies are crying over high sec players making lots of isk. And your response to stop it is just to grief people and act like immature children while doing it, totally unique idea..nobody have ever thought of griefing high sec players before  So all of a sudden CSMs have to be saints? The only obligation CSM has is to listen to the opinion of the player base and relay that to CCP. And right now...... He is doing exactly that. is there a CSM member with an opposing view?
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O Maybelline
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 19:59:00 -
[320] - Quote
Of course no CSM disagree, CSM job to represent ALL player, but only represent ALL player in their chair. "
Oh look, only one in each chair - and we all from nullsec! 4q carebear! |
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Messoroz
AQUILA INC 0ccupational Hazzard
142
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Posted - 2012.01.18 20:12:00 -
[321] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Oh you may swarm the mom site. Tho you may be surprised at what awaits you this time. Might be quite fun indeed. And for those who do try to bust the sites. Do enjoy your blacklisting.
Blacklisting people running mom sites like CCP intended? Just beautiful! Amazing!
I really love the elitism. |

M1k3y Koontz
Taxes Suck Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 20:30:00 -
[322] - Quote
Incursions are definitely paying out wayyyy too much isk for highsec, personally i think they should have rewards nerfed or moved to lowsec or have the incurson end after a set amount of time after the mom appears as was mentioned earlier...
I endorse this anti-incursionbear service 
If anyone makes a Hulkageddon spinoff where you jam out the logi and let the fleet die in flames, I will come  |

Recoil Happens
Debatable Results
19
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Posted - 2012.01.18 21:02:00 -
[323] - Quote
M1k3y Koontz wrote:Incursions are definitely paying out wayyyy too much isk for highsec, personally i think they should have rewards nerfed or moved to lowsec or have the incurson end after a set amount of time after the mom appears as was mentioned earlier... I endorse this anti-incursionbear service  If anyone makes a Hulkageddon spinoff where you jam out the logi and let the fleet die in flames, I will come 
M1k3y Koontz wrote:Incursions are definitely paying out wayyyy too much isk for highsec, personally i think they should have rewards nerfed or moved to lowsec or have the incurson end after a set amount of time after the mom appears as was mentioned earlier... I endorse this anti-incursionbear service  If anyone makes a Hulkageddon spinoff where you jam out the logi and let the fleet die in flames, I will come 
Well, you are ready to go against it but you just don't understand it. Aww what the hell.... What's to know, it screws with hisec, that is all yaI need to know.
OK - the mom comes out during a set window of time after the incursion begins, whether the incursion has been worked or not.
The mom begins to withdraw within a set window of time after appearing and by either death of the mom or successful withdrawal of the mom, the incursion ends.
How would moving them all out of hisec change anything except who gets to milk the cow?
And oh yeah, another thing... about half of the hisec incursion runners I know are really alts of nullsec alliance mains.
The real issue here is null alliances getting butthurt because their "faithful" are not showing up as often as before.
Alliances are the ones who make ISK from the moongoo monopolies and from corps make it from taxes off lo/null sec incursions. The players who have formed their own small corps of one or two are the ones who make the ISK from hisec incursions.
At least that is how it has gone in the brick. So many have just quit to pursue more fun or more ISK (probably both) and Datius the tird - (oh sorry, left the "h" out by accident) And Darius the third is unhappy about losing control - but of course, we all know that no one can lose what they never had in the first place.
null sec alliances rely on extortion as one form of income and they practice it at home first with their own members.
Now, I'm going to get busy making a lot of ISK - not this 'toon, silly.... Just like Darrius the whatever, I go incursioning in an alt. |

Iskies now
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.01.18 21:06:00 -
[324] - Quote
G0hme wrote:Iskies now wrote:....... bla bla bla...... 100m/h not possible...... bla bla bla So if we can, while running Incursion back when gathering for POCOs. Then why can't you? Sounds like a learn to play issue. Endeavour Starfleet wrote:..... bla bla bla conspiracy theories..... bla bla bla I bet you had a woody after 9/11, didn't you?
Lol, I can take 5 paragraphs, and snip out a bunch of words and make it not what someone else said too. Learn to read my dear friend. I nowhere claimed making 100 mill isk an hour is not possible. In fact, if you actually, I don't know... bothered to actually read all but one line from every other paragraph, you'd have realized I said it WAS possible -if they're not competing-. The most I've ever seen made in an hour is 210m actually.
What I said was you cannot make 5.5B (According to Darius) x3 or 16.5b All at once. It's simply not possible. Guess what? They're not THAT organized. They don't have designated sites they will stick to. Sure if you're organized YOU can make 100 mill an hour, but guess what? You're likely depriving another fleet of that isk, which means? *Gasp* Not all 5 fleets are making 100 mill an hour. Which was my point. Though I'm sure the more intelligent people o-- The rare few there are ^^ -- already understood my point. I'll at least give you a cookie for your effort. Hope it didn't hurt your brain too much :P |

Osmodeus
The Bohica Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 21:40:00 -
[325] - Quote
All of this is null crybears moaning and groaning that they cant control all of the isk in eve. how dare carebears get something to actually make isk with. The incursions in low and null sec have the same mechanics. Dont give me that line of more risk in null because its 0.0. Your alliances control large chunks of space with blue patrols and the works. anything comming in that isnt blue gets popped. Low and null sec incursions pay out more anyways. I dont know why you crybears insist on trying to make everyone in eve play the way you want them, which is being your slave! |

Solinuas
Beyond Evil and Good
52
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Posted - 2012.01.18 21:48:00 -
[326] - Quote
Osmodeus wrote:All of this is null crybears moaning and groaning that they cant control all of the isk in eve. how dare carebears get something to actually make isk with. The incursions in low and null sec have the same mechanics. Dont give me that line of more risk in null because its 0.0. Your alliances control large chunks of space with blue patrols and the works. anything comming in that isnt blue gets popped. Low and null sec incursions pay out more anyways. I dont know why you crybears insist on trying to make everyone in eve play the way you want them, which is being your slave!
Funniest part about this statement? very few nullsec entities are posing here i see WH and lowsec aplenty, but null is a minority |

Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
6
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Posted - 2012.01.18 22:02:00 -
[327] - Quote
Solinuas wrote:Osmodeus wrote:All of this is null crybears moaning and groaning that they cant control all of the isk in eve. how dare carebears get something to actually make isk with. The incursions in low and null sec have the same mechanics. Dont give me that line of more risk in null because its 0.0. Your alliances control large chunks of space with blue patrols and the works. anything comming in that isnt blue gets popped. Low and null sec incursions pay out more anyways. I dont know why you crybears insist on trying to make everyone in eve play the way you want them, which is being your slave! Funniest part about this statement? very few nullsec entities are posing here i see WH and lowsec aplenty, but null is a minority
I'm surprised that they keep spinning that old broken record honestly.. |

G0hme
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.18 22:30:00 -
[328] - Quote
Iskies now wrote:G0hme wrote:Iskies now wrote:....... bla bla bla...... 100m/h not possible...... bla bla bla So if we can, while running Incursion back when gathering for POCOs. Then why can't you? Sounds like a learn to play issue. Endeavour Starfleet wrote:..... bla bla bla conspiracy theories..... bla bla bla I bet you had a woody after 9/11, didn't you? Lol, I can take 5 paragraphs, and snip out a bunch of words and make it not what someone else said too. Learn to read my dear friend. I nowhere claimed making 100 mill isk an hour is not possible. In fact, if you actually, I don't know... bothered to actually read all but one line from every other paragraph, you'd have realized I said it WAS possible -if they're not competing-. The most I've ever seen made in an hour is 210m actually. What I said was you cannot make 5.5B (According to Darius) x3 or 16.5b All at once. It's simply not possible. Guess what? They're not THAT organized. They don't have designated sites they will stick to. Sure if you're organized YOU can make 100 mill an hour, but guess what? You're likely depriving another fleet of that isk, which means? *Gasp* Not all 5 fleets are making 100 mill an hour. Which was my point. Though I'm sure the more intelligent people o-- The rare few there are ^^ -- already understood my point. I'll at least give you a cookie for your effort. Hope it didn't hurt your brain too much :P
Didn't really need more to sort out the bullshit. But I can elaborate so you have a chance to comprehend what just happend.
I got exactly what you meant. And appearently you are not the one reading my post. Tried to keep it as short as possible for the thickheaded ones. But can that write a longer post if you want more words that are not too difficult to comprehend. No where did I state it was only one fleet. but as a reply to your post it was ofcource the amount of fleets that you were refering to. I can see how it can be hard to grasp the idea of people actually replying to your bullshit, guess you're used to just going on and on by yourself like any other WT. But again, you're point failed as it has already been done. Where do you think the numbers are generated from? I know it can be hard to took a look outside when you force yourself into living in a tiny bell, not looking outside to smell the roses. But if we could do it, it sure is possible to do it again.
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Kronic Offender
Holchek Mining
0
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Posted - 2012.01.18 22:31:00 -
[329] - Quote
******* figures, I finally decide to try to get into incursions as a change of pace and some faggots are running their mouths about how it needs to be nerfed. Why don't ya'll go play another damn game and let those of us that actually like Eve play it? |

Callous Jade
Narcissistic Ventures
11
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Posted - 2012.01.18 22:46:00 -
[330] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:Some Sigmund Freud ****
Im not entirely sure what your point is but Id just like to say that I am sure glad you are here. It makes me feel alot better to know that there are genuinely decent people such as yourself who have never and would never do anything that could harm another fellow human being, even in a video game.
It gives me hope to think that some people like you are still out there. People whos space pixels I can ruthlessly destroy without the slightest bit of mercy whilst scamming the very funds they require to replace their loss all while knowing they absolutely did nothing to deserve it. Ever. You are perfect. The perfect outlet for my true evil inner self, possibly the only thing that keeps me from torturing household pets and breaking the hips of the elderly on a daily basis. Ive never felt like anyone undestands me the way you do and it has helped me to better understand myself.
I thank you. |
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Psychotic Monk
Zervas Aeronautics
79
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Posted - 2012.01.18 22:55:00 -
[331] - Quote
Callous, for someone who's main I'm pretty sure I don't like, you speak excellent truth.
That was a masterfully crafted post. Have a +1. |

Unit562
Best Path Inc. A Point In Space
1
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Posted - 2012.01.18 23:41:00 -
[332] - Quote
Whine whine whine... nerf nerf nerf. All the community and CCP does. at least now, even to my disapproval, someone is shutting their mouths and opening fire on a topic rather than bitching about it. I respect this.
Now for the whole ISK making argument, CCP, please for the love of god pull your heads out the noob's asses and give us back our agent quality. im already tired of these lvl 4 missions you can tank in a maller. |

Clyde ElectraGlide
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.01.18 23:54:00 -
[333] - Quote
Stringar wrote:Unfortunely most corps are forced to do incursions to keep their low to null sec corps running
They have managed before incursions came out, so I don't see how they couldn't if incursions were properly balanced.
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Umega
Solis Mensa
40
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Posted - 2012.01.19 00:13:00 -
[334] - Quote
Kronic Offender wrote:******* figures, I finally decide to try to get into incursions as a change of pace and some faggots are running their mouths about how it needs to be nerfed. Why don't ya'll go play another damn game and let those of us that actually like Eve play it?
Stop talking.
The thing is.. they ARE playing EVE. Instead of simply crying on the forums about a desire to have highsec Incursion reward nerfed.. they are going to take matters in their own hands. Because guess what.. kicking over someone elses sand castle is a part of EVE. I don't care if you don't like it.. don't change what the game actually is, you're dellusional and irrelevent.
'I pay to play my way, leave me alone' doesn't work here. Because others 'I pay to play my way, give me your stuff' is just as justified in this game as the former. They force their ideals/desires onto you ingame.. get off your ass and force your point upon them ingame to leave what you want alone. What goes around comes around..
Or be a lil whiney ***** when someone punches you in the face and cry it about to mommabear. Some people act like pimps.. because they can when it is so easy to slap around some of you and get you to submit under their heel.
Welcome to EVE.. where there are no pve or pvp players.. simply EVE players that decide to be pimps or hoes.
Quit being a hoe.
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Sin Istersly
Royal Navy Security Services The-Nation
5
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Posted - 2012.01.19 00:18:00 -
[335] - Quote
G0hme wrote: Its a game, CSM was elected by virtual players. And still they do not have to answer to F*** all if they do not want to. Its not they were elected President of the US and have to answer to your desires.
Initially i was gonna write a wall about assumed personalities, but then i realised, you're prolly too full of yourself to acknowledge it anyway. Its nice that you prolly just finished studying psychology, and now crusade to lecture the EVE community. This is not the real world, but from your words it seem like you haven't realised it yet. People can act how ever they bloody want, CCP are the ones who decides to allow it or not. Not some self-righteous prick like you.
And I am sorry to laugh in your direction, but you seem to think that its the production and industrial players that benefits from Incursions. It is sure as hell not the Supply and Demand that dictates the pricings these days. When CCP decided to let the ATMs spit out a continues stream of never ending Isk, they messed up the economy for all except the Incursion runners, since they are the ones camping the ATMs like a Snickers at Fat Camp. I dont want to see Incursions gone, but the Isk output needs to go down. Anyone trying to argue that earning more in a near-risk free environment vs high risk environments are bonkers and just greedy bastards in my eyes. How can that possibly be fair?
I'll answer that, its not. Ever heard of "the bigger the risk, the greater the reward"? Well it gone from EVE Online right now. Production and Industrialist doesn't need Incursion runners. They were doing fine even before that. What they can't live without are the NS/LS/WH-space inhabitants, who are the ones that actually buys all of their T1s and mods, because they actually loose them. Maybe you have spendt to much time in Incursions that you actually didnt realised that.
What my personal goal is here with making Incursion runners die, and killing MOMs, is to actually put some work and effort back into a lost event. People like BTL will screw over the newbies even if we are not there. Because how can a T1 fleet compete with the BTL Fleet of Scrubs. Hopefully but limiting the availability of Incursions, CCP will realised that something is wrong here.
Wow, if that isnt a list of hipocritical assumptions if I've ever seen one. First of all, no, I've never studied Psychology, I just know people well enough to know how they operate. Secondly, I havnt run a single incursion yet, if you had read one of my earli posts you might have heard me mentioning that I was months away from the skills to get past the elitist blockade? Nah, you've clearly done your research. Third, I didnt assume any personality traits, I observed and extrapolated from the way people we're acting, and what they we're saying, the type of person they are. For example, your clearly a self righteous, arrogant, assumption driven over reactor who attempts to elevate himself by putting others down.
Callous Jade wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:Some Sigmund Freud **** Im not entirely sure what your point is but Id just like to say that I am sure glad you are here. It makes me feel alot better to know that there are genuinely decent people such as yourself who have never and would never do anything that could harm another fellow human being, even in a video game. It gives me hope to think that some people like you are still out there. People whos space pixels I can ruthlessly destroy without the slightest bit of mercy whilst scamming the very funds they require to replace their loss all while knowing they absolutely did nothing to deserve it. Ever. You are perfect. The perfect outlet for my true evil inner self, possibly the only thing that keeps me from torturing household pets and breaking the hips of the elderly on a daily basis. Ive never felt like anyone undestands me the way you do and it has helped me to better understand myself. I thank you.
I thank you for proving my point. It's a shame you cant avoid torturing small animals and abusing the elderly simply because it's wrong though. You might want to see a doctor about those impulses before you wind up on the evening news, if your not already going to.
Ultimately, somehow, my point got loss in this whole mess, I apologize for that to everyone. I did ramble a bit about pirate psychology so please allow me to short hand my point here. My point was, their are many ways to play the game that dont involve directly destroying others gaming experience, yet clearly, people like you can find no enjoyment in anything that isnt harmful to others. Sorry for the long winded post earlier, I suppose you think I was attempting to speak over your head. I was simply trying to make a clear point, but I wandered, my bad. |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
8
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Posted - 2012.01.19 00:54:00 -
[336] - Quote
THANKS YOU EVERYONE
Just a fun little note, when a mothership gets taken down the 9 top people with the highest LP get a 15% cumulative bonus. At lower levels that may not seem like much HOWEVER...
Thanks to herding all of the pilots into Kisana (forcing contests that increase the isk/hr ratio of strong fleets) and then failing to pop the mothership, this particular incursions (due to chance) has now had the longest time alive of any other incursion :O LP ratings are already stacking above 500,000!!!
I know it was mostly due to chance but I find it ironic that during this... event... that ISN, SSN, and PL have seen their highest per incursion profits in months :)
http://mlfw.info/f/654/ |

tu at
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.01.19 01:30:00 -
[337] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Adamus Gerrard wrote: Honestly? You're only pissed cuz you're an elitist. Well, "Tom Cruise", I don't really care about your fears, cuz who the hell boasts crying to CCP? If younger players get the opportunity to earn real ISK instead of grinding level fours for years, and this is a problem, maybe you should address more pressing concerns, for example, your tears resulting from feeling you've been wronged. Grow up, quit, or an hero. And shut up. Can't forget that last one! Me being elitist? Mate take a look at all your incursion bear buddies. They are all saying that incursions currently are really tough for the lesser-PUG fleets to get into. All the elitism and competition in incursions are kicking them out. Oh ****. Did I just ruin all your arguments using carebear arguments!?
yeah I agree with Adamus Gerrard, no need to comment this one |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
11
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Posted - 2012.01.19 01:40:00 -
[338] - Quote
Asurymen wrote:I felt a disturbance in my Eve, as if a million desperate carebears cried out at once......
lol I hear a thousand Null bear's whines... waaaaaaa I wanna make more in my part of the Sandbox no fairs :'( "NERF NERF NERF WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
I love collecting greifer & Null tears about me being a rich Carebear lulzzzzzzzzz |

Umega
Solis Mensa
41
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Posted - 2012.01.19 01:54:00 -
[339] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:Asurymen wrote:I felt a disturbance in my Eve, as if a million desperate carebears cried out at once...... lol I hear a thousand Null bear's whines... waaaaaaa I wanna make more in my part of the Sandbox no fairs :'( "NERF NERF NERF WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" I love collecting greifer & Null tears about me being a rich Carebear lulzzzzzzzzz
Assuming null pilots gets a signficant piece of the moon pie is a bit hilarious. Assuming null pilots don't have highsec mains to get safe, easy iskies for their combat main's ships. Assuming quite a good chunk of the organized groups doing Incursions regulary prior to this aren't doing so to the fund their null activities. Assume none of that is true, and null groups aren't being invaded/attacked/gorrilla hit by ships bought by the Incursion running alts of.. wait for it, actual null players.
Okey dokes. Assume what ya want. Do take everything at face value, there is nothing more to it than jealousy. Mmhmm.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
11
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Posted - 2012.01.19 01:57:00 -
[340] - Quote
Swiftsoul Tian wrote:Darius III wrote:I want EVERYONE to enjoy Eve online. This includes hisec. Everyone must make money. I only want the ISK vs Work/Risk equation to be more balanced.
LMAO! Risk vs. Reward - what about those gate gankers killing 20-30 mission runners in a row and looting their T2 ships - muhaaaaa - very risky. If you want balance do something about that. Everyone can farm Incursions - so where is the balancing issue? Instead of talking about balancing - name it what you want: Force other players to play the way YOU want - that's it.
Risk/Reward balance fallacy again... I guess 0% risk applied to those people you & yours (Krissada) tricked into running Assaults & ran away from like the cowards you are leaving many stranded and dead? You cowards are taking no risks lol and whining about others just shows how less of a person you are & whine if you actually had to take risks yourselves. Learn to do math & show me hard statistics not lies then start talking about quantifiable risk. Until then you are pulling crud outta your arses. Lieing liars who lie... lol |
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Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
8
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Posted - 2012.01.19 02:01:00 -
[341] - Quote
Incursions have no risk because very few people have decided to EXPLOIT the process. Kissandra got 3-4 ASSULT fleet dead before people started catching onto her (and that was after she was banned a few months ago)
Skunkworks got over 100billion isk in incursion kills due to an "exploit" (i use this term lightly) that is fixed by simply having your basi test cap near a station, incursion runners were so focused on MAX ISK/HRS that they refused to take the time to do it. (note they was on the blacklist after the first gank)
If anything, it's the griefers faults, for not taking advantage of a warp gate that insta kills the first 3 ships inside if a proper fleet isn't in place |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
11
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Posted - 2012.01.19 02:19:00 -
[342] - Quote
Umega wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Asurymen wrote:I felt a disturbance in my Eve, as if a million desperate carebears cried out at once...... lol I hear a thousand Null bear's whines... waaaaaaa I wanna make more in my part of the Sandbox no fairs :'( "NERF NERF NERF WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" I love collecting greifer & Null tears about me being a rich Carebear lulzzzzzzzzz Assuming null pilots gets a signficant piece of the moon pie is a bit hilarious.
I agree... instead of having a static passive moon goo monopoly I'dlike to see Drones start pooping moo goo in addition to minerals that way more of NULL Sec would be worth going to also & spread out instead of being the desert it is... but that's something for another thread except in that NULL does crow about thier Wealth yet whenever a ISK fountain ( that nowhere near amounts to the MoonGOO ISKies ) the NULL crybear tears fountain because thier part of the Sandboxout of view to the teacher is empty |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
578
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Posted - 2012.01.19 04:50:00 -
[343] - Quote
Darius III wrote: Your moronic drivel makes me want to form a fleet RIGHT NOW and kill the remaining incursions so I can do more :smugface:.
What's the matter? Having issues finding a fleet willing to do nullsec dirtywork for free dis time? Still 3 incursions in hisec or maybe you are afraid of what is waiting for you once you face the mothership?
I thought this was about the luiz. Maybe someone in BTL gave you a bigger bribe this time? Or maybe you indeed have to wait for scheduled op times because nobody wants to go on your and Kill it with fire's crap anymore?
This is almost funny if it weren't about protecting hisec content from nullsec politics and crap. |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
8
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Posted - 2012.01.19 05:36:00 -
[344] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Darius III wrote: Your moronic drivel makes me want to form a fleet RIGHT NOW and kill the remaining incursions so I can do more :smugface:.
What's the matter? Having issues finding a fleet willing to do nullsec dirtywork for free dis time? Still 3 incursions in hisec or maybe you are afraid of what is waiting for you once you face the mothership? I thought this was about the luiz. Maybe someone in BTL gave you a bigger bribe this time? Or maybe you indeed have to wait for scheduled op times because nobody wants to go on your and Kill it with fire's crap anymore? This is almost funny if it weren't about protecting hisec content from nullsec politics and crap.
i tried to warn you that you needed my halps >.< |

Sin Istersly
Royal Navy Security Services The-Nation
14
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:07:00 -
[345] - Quote
DarthNefarius wrote:
I agree... instead of having a static passive moon goo monopoly I'dlike to see Drones start pooping moo goo in addition to minerals that way more of NULL Sec would be worth going to also & spread out instead of being the desert it is... but that's something for another thread except in that NULL does crow about thier Wealth yet whenever a ISK fountain ( that nowhere near amounts to the MoonGOO ISKies ) the NULL crybear tears fountain because thier part of the Sandboxout of view to the teacher is empty
So damn true. All these greifers are really whining about is a way to make isk that DOESNT involve putting more pilots and targets in their nullsec hunting zones. |

mirel yirrin
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
10
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:11:00 -
[346] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Darius III wrote: Your moronic drivel makes me want to form a fleet RIGHT NOW and kill the remaining incursions so I can do more :smugface:.
What's the matter? Having issues finding a fleet willing to do nullsec dirtywork for free dis time? Still 3 incursions in hisec or maybe you are afraid of what is waiting for you once you face the mothership? I thought this was about the luiz. Maybe someone in BTL gave you a bigger bribe this time? Or maybe you indeed have to wait for scheduled op times because nobody wants to go on your and Kill it with fire's crap anymore? This is almost funny if it weren't about protecting hisec content from nullsec politics and crap.
Well talking of bribes, we were all paid (each person in the fleet) 500mil to leave. It worked out at about 20bn isk in total for BTL, but they said it was absolutely worth it and we left, as agreed. The contract stipulated that we could return within three days, but had to give them that leeway. Just read the news article, it confirms everything. As for gang sizes? We can have a hundred fighting men and women in any area of space within two hours at any time, in any configuration of ship. You are a lunatic if you think otherwise.
Darius III for CSM! Or your money back! |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
1
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:20:00 -
[347] - Quote
I was curious so I read almost the whole threadGǪ
Lord itGÇÖs like watchin through the window at a really badly run daycare for tards.
What I find completely unbelievable about these Tear filled threadnaughts against carebears is that all you gankers. "hard core" PvPers, Pirates and Lowsec/Nullsec dwellers all get sooo TEARED up about how GÇÿothersGÇÖ in EVEGǪ (who donGÇÖt play the way YOU do) (which is obviously a heinous crime in your watery eyes, and should be punishable by banning) GǪhow they make "too much fake money" without taking the risks YOU feel they should be.... oh effin waa...
This WHOLE thread is one long sophomoric tear fest about how "They make TOO much ISkies... without ANY riskies..." GÇ£ItGÇÖs ALL so UNFAIR!GÇ¥ you cryGǪ as if it MATTERED in the least. ITGÇÖS A GAME... and yer cryin up moar tears of rage and juvenile indignation than I have ever heard in ANY carebear thread.
My playstyle is in W-space. And I donGÇÖt give a fat rats ASS how you or anyone else plays or makes ISK or how MUCH you make. Come in my homehome, IGÇÖll kill you if I canGǪ If yer in a connecting hole to ours, weGÇÖll kill you if we canGǪ
When I take my Mammoth, loaded to bursting with Arkonor, Bistot and Crokite AND Sleeper Melted Nanoiskies, out to JitaGǪ and you try to gank me and take what I gotGǪ KK. ThatGÇÖs how YOU play an IGÇÖm cool with it. We each got our own way to goGǪ cross paths and IGÇÖll react as the situation requiresGǪ other than that I care not one effin bit what you or anyone else in EVE doesGǪ
We killed 4 ships, captured 2 and podded one guy a few nights ago in a WH raidGǪ this weekend we are going to run C4 sites with em in their homeholeGǪ help em out, teach em a trick or 2GǪ and later IGÇÖm prolly gonna mine up a buncha gas and A.B, CGǪ My kill record is fer ****, I have died moar than killedGǪ But I have killed, and podded so am I a carebear? A Pirate? A site runner? A ganker?
I am a CapsuleerGǪ a POD PilotGǪ a citizen of New EdenGǪ and IGÇÖll play as I please, Eff You Very Much.
I guess itGÇÖs what I get for playing a really well thought out, intelligent, deep, challenging gameGǪ with children... buncha effin babies. Thank GOD most arenGÇÖt like you.
So off you go little ones... go run the Incursions and kill the Moms and mebbe you'll get some tearless sleep believing you have done something other than just throw a quite pubic tantrum.... but you aint.
Fly safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

mirel yirrin
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
11
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:34:00 -
[348] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
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Ad Hominem attack, your input is invalid. Please try again. Darius III for CSM! Or your money back! |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
11
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:39:00 -
[349] - Quote
mirel yirrin wrote:
Well talking of bribes, we were all paid (each person in the fleet) 500mil to leave. It worked out at about 20bn isk in total for BTL, but they said it was absolutely worth it and we left, as agreed. The contract stipulated that we could return within three days, but had to give them that leeway. Just read the news article, it confirms everything. As for gang sizes? We can have a hundred fighting men and women in any area of space within two hours at any time, in any configuration of ship. You are a lunatic if you think otherwise.
This is a completely lie, not only did darious only ask 500mil in total (not per pilot), but BTL didnt send any money because they LOVE mothership contests. Also, the news article only speculates and eve news is notorious for not researching deeply and using vague or non-confirming terms.
And as for gang size, i believe the size of the last 3rd party mothership fleet was 28 members xD including my alt in a vigil :3
your just trying to spread panic and troll, so you already knew all that, i just felt like posting the truth for all the retards out there reading this xD |

mirel yirrin
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
11
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:42:00 -
[350] - Quote
Keith Planck wrote:mirel yirrin wrote:
Well talking of bribes, we were all paid (each person in the fleet) 500mil to leave. It worked out at about 20bn isk in total for BTL, but they said it was absolutely worth it and we left, as agreed. The contract stipulated that we could return within three days, but had to give them that leeway. Just read the news article, it confirms everything. As for gang sizes? We can have a hundred fighting men and women in any area of space within two hours at any time, in any configuration of ship. You are a lunatic if you think otherwise.
This is a completely lie, not only did darious only ask 500mil in total (not per pilot), but BTL didnt send any money because they LOVE mothership contests. Also, the new article only speculates and eve news is notorious for not researching deeply and using vague or non-confirming terms. And as for gang size, i believe the size of the last 3rd party mothership fleet was 28 members xD
I can assure you Sir, that we were all paid. You say yourself that Eve News doesn't do its research - but you rely on their comments to reinforce your point. The fleet that I was in, the one that killed a mothership and caused the death of another, was roughly 40 strong and every single person was paid the full amount. Whilst I cannot provide API details or screenshots for security reasons, my word on the matter will need to be enough. It's not like you were there - you can but speculate. Darius III for CSM! Or your money back! |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
981
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:44:00 -
[351] - Quote
Agonis wrote:I love how this topic has spiraled into little more than childish rants between both sides.
A CSM that acts out and demonstrates a complete lack of maturity. The OP who is crying over nothing. And tons of people trying to act as if they're fighting the good fight here.
As if these same mechanics don't apply to people in low sec and null sec that also farm incursions and make tons of ISK doing so.
Please stop acting like this issue is relegated to high sec players alone.
Quoted for truth.
+1 like for simplicity.
Followed a link to this thread and while reading it thought I was in General Discussion. |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
12
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:48:00 -
[352] - Quote
mirel yirrin wrote:Keith Planck wrote:mirel yirrin wrote:
Well talking of bribes, we were all paid (each person in the fleet) 500mil to leave. It worked out at about 20bn isk in total for BTL, but they said it was absolutely worth it and we left, as agreed. The contract stipulated that we could return within three days, but had to give them that leeway. Just read the news article, it confirms everything. As for gang sizes? We can have a hundred fighting men and women in any area of space within two hours at any time, in any configuration of ship. You are a lunatic if you think otherwise.
This is a completely lie, not only did darious only ask 500mil in total (not per pilot), but BTL didnt send any money because they LOVE mothership contests. Also, the new article only speculates and eve news is notorious for not researching deeply and using vague or non-confirming terms. And as for gang size, i believe the size of the last 3rd party mothership fleet was 28 members xD I can assure you Sir, that we were all paid. You say yourself that Eve News doesn't do its research - but you rely on their comments to reinforce your point. The fleet that I was in, the one that killed a mothership and caused the death of another, was roughly 40 strong and every single person was paid the full amount. Whilst I cannot provide API details or screenshots for security reasons, my word on the matter will need to be enough. It's not like you were there - you can but speculate.
there were 3, 3rd mother ship fleets 1. successfully killed the mom, each pilots got paid 40-60mil (depending on actual inside numbers) + a % of whatever dropped if it was shared (which i doubt it was) 2. BTL stole the site and scooped the loot leaving the 3rd party mom fleet with only the reward of having the incursion end early (which actually worked out quite well cause it re-synced the incursions something ive been begging BTL to do FOREVER) 3. got a max of 28 people (including my vigil) before the FC decided to tell the fleet to hit an assult gate leading to the death of many pilots (i got a fed navy web and a caldari navy invul out of it, not that the invul is going to be worth anything after the patch)
no bribes or ransoms are/were/or every will be paid to incursion "terrorists" :P
P.S. your portrait is http://mlfw.info/f/1758/ derp |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
12
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Posted - 2012.01.19 07:51:00 -
[353] - Quote
DeMichael Crimson wrote:Agonis wrote:I love how this topic has spiraled into little more than childish rants between both sides.
A CSM that acts out and demonstrates a complete lack of maturity. The OP who is crying over nothing. And tons of people trying to act as if they're fighting the good fight here.
As if these same mechanics don't apply to people in low sec and null sec that also farm incursions and make tons of ISK doing so.
Please stop acting like this issue is relegated to high sec players alone. Quoted for truth. +1 like for simplicity. Followed a link to this thread and while reading it thought I was in General Discussion.
A sharp increase in the number of nullsec incursions is needed, right now most alliance just ignore them because they happen so infrequently, but if more were spawned it would be worth it for even small alliances to ask their members to at the very least have T1 battleships ready to farm them. |

Sin Istersly
Royal Navy Security Services The-Nation
15
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Posted - 2012.01.19 08:04:00 -
[354] - Quote
Keith Planck wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Agonis wrote:I love how this topic has spiraled into little more than childish rants between both sides.
A CSM that acts out and demonstrates a complete lack of maturity. The OP who is crying over nothing. And tons of people trying to act as if they're fighting the good fight here.
As if these same mechanics don't apply to people in low sec and null sec that also farm incursions and make tons of ISK doing so.
Please stop acting like this issue is relegated to high sec players alone. Quoted for truth. +1 like for simplicity. Followed a link to this thread and while reading it thought I was in General Discussion. A sharp increase in the number of nullsec incursions is needed, right now most alliance just ignore them because they happen so infrequently, but if more were spawned it would be worth it for even small alliances to ask their members to at the very least have T1 battleships ready to farm them. Agreed |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
3
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Posted - 2012.01.19 08:08:00 -
[355] - Quote
mirel yirrin wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
words
Ad Hominem attack, your input is invalid. Please try again.
LOL.... see, Tard Daycare. If ya can't respond intelligetly, denigrate. I wasn't joinin in the debate, such as tis, I was making a personal comment on the thread in toto. Back to bed... you have school in the morning.
Si non potes comminues, derident eos ... TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2012.01.19 08:24:00 -
[356] - Quote
Keith Planck wrote: 3. got a max of 28 people (including my vigil) before the FC decided to tell the fleet to hit an assult gate leading to the death of many pilots (i got a fed navy web and a caldari navy invul out of it, not that the invul is going to be worth anything after the patch)
The incursion bear stole from other incursion bears that we killed. Congratulations Keith, you are finally growing up! Maybe one day you can join us. Also if you could stop double posting like the annoying **** face you are and maybe use your feeble mind to hit the edit button so that wrecking bumb face of yours doesn't ruin my eyes every time I scroll past our lovely threadnought.
To the rest of these pathetic people talking above me. You can keep talking all you want, keep whining, keep moaning and crying, keep discussing with all the best of your peasant minds - but one thing remains as certain as ****.
All the motherships are going down this friday. And what are you going to do about it? |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
594
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Posted - 2012.01.19 08:50:00 -
[357] - Quote
This Friday? I thought Darius had the means of forming fleets out of thin air to shut up forum posters?
Darius III wrote: Your moronic drivel makes me want to form a fleet RIGHT NOW and kill the remaining incursions so I can do more :smugface:.
Apparently not. Trying to get moar bribes first? What about the lulz? |

Siva Surya Kshatriya
Buccaneers of New Eden The Forsaken.
34
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:27:00 -
[358] - Quote
In order to fight the bear, you must think like the bear. I like it. You must be strong though warriors, lest you give into the siren's call and become the very thing you seek to destroy.
Also I think we can all agree it would be quite amusing if BTL forms up a Blackbird fleet. Somehow tears are sweeter when they're bottled by carebears |

Sin Istersly
Royal Navy Security Services The-Nation
15
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Posted - 2012.01.19 10:04:00 -
[359] - Quote
Krissada wrote: All the motherships are going down this friday. And what are you going to do about it?
Personally I'm going to laugh my ass of at your blatant big talk when/if they dont go down Friday. Plus, last I checked, you guys started this thread to do your own crying. This makes you a hipocrit at the very least, and a crybear as well.
Go ahead and argue, but if you guys really wanted to kill off the incursions, why would you warn people and not just do it?
The answer is one of two, either you cant, and your just blowing smoke out your @$$, or your crying and trying to get attention drawn to the unfair, cruel, unethical, game destroying mechanics (exaggerating) that you deem a threat to your style of play.
I've counted at least a dozen people calling you on this transparent BS, and yet you still go on like a stuck up immature teen.
It's ok Krissada, I'm sure someone out their thinks your pretty, you can relax now.
(I can click the bold and underline buttons too! )
Siva Surya Kshatriya wrote:In order to fight the bear, you must think like the bear. I like it. You must be strong though warriors, lest you give into the siren's call and become the very thing you seek to destroy.
Also I think we can all agree it would be quite amusing if BTL forms up a Blackbird fleet. Somehow tears are sweeter when they're bottled by carebears
Agreed! And also, oh so much sweeter indeed Siva. I think it's because their spiced with karma! Lols |

Aine Ni
Some Really Meaningless Name
10
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Posted - 2012.01.19 10:20:00 -
[360] - Quote
mirel yirrin wrote:We can have a hundred fighting men and women in any area of space within two hours at any time, in any configuration of ship. You are a lunatic if you think otherwise.
This just proves how delussional, you envious people are  |
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Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.01.19 10:21:00 -
[361] - Quote
Well this is exactly why. We want them all to know we are coming and they can't do nothing about it. Even if they try to do something it would just be so much more sweet when carebears have actually done a criminal act and lowered their security status.
For haven't we fulfilled one of the most epic goals in EVE? Turning carebears into aggressive and dangerous PVP'ers? One way or another some would argue that suicide blackbird jamming is not real PvP. If we make carebears go against us it is one step closer to their salvation and them shedding their title as carebears. Only then can I see myself as being victorious. This is why we are calling out public. We want you to fight us with everything you got, we want you to come out of your caves and roar at us. We want you to DO SOMETHING AND STOP CRYING. |

Frank Pannon
Fearless Bandits Sk33t Fl33t
1
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Posted - 2012.01.19 11:52:00 -
[362] - Quote
Here is my simple logic.
Running incursions helps me to buy PvP ships and participate in lowsec, nullsec and WH fleets with friends. There we kill and get killed. We meet new people and interact, experience new things and have fun.
More ISK -> more PvP -> more fun.
This is how I play this game called EVE. It is an MMO, and you can of course influence my gaming experience.
But it does not make you a hero.
Your 15 minutes of fame are ticking. |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.01.19 11:59:00 -
[363] - Quote
Frank Pannon wrote:Here is my simple logic.
Running incursions helps me to buy PvP ships and participate in lowsec, nullsec and WH fleets with friends. There we kill and get killed. We meet new people and interact, experience new things and have fun.
More ISK -> more PvP -> more fun.
This is how I play this game called EVE. It is an MMO, and you can of course influence my gaming experience.
But it does not make you a hero.
Your 15 minutes of fame are ticking.
And you really think this is working as intended? Should PVP'ers go back to highsec "safe space" to earn "PvP time" (let's be honest that's what ISK really is) before they venture out again?
Is highsec incursion not just a pit-stop for PvP'ers? "I am going to highsec to earn some ISK before I can come back and lose more ships or whatever in dangerous space".
Is this really something you approve of? You don't think the most rewarding features should be in less safe space? Where's your logic now?
Over my dead body.
Your lovely incursions are going down mate. YOUR isk making time is ticking off. |

janzzen
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.01.19 12:12:00 -
[364] - Quote
Over your dead body?
Yes plz,
Cancel your sub, delete your characters and move away from this game that in your opinion sucks.
Find something more fun to do, if Eve is this bad to you, you realy realy need to do something else. |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.01.19 12:38:00 -
[365] - Quote
janzzen wrote:Over your dead body?
Yes plz,
Cancel your sub, delete your characters and move away from this game that in your opinion sucks.
Find something more fun to do, if Eve is this bad to you, you realy realy need to do something else.
Make me quit, hunt me down, make me suffer and plead and beg and cry. Come on I dare you. I never said the game sucks. Don't put words into my mouth.  |

Frank Pannon
Fearless Bandits Sk33t Fl33t
1
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Posted - 2012.01.19 12:55:00 -
[366] - Quote
Krissada wrote:
Over my dead body.
Your lovely incursions are going down mate. YOUR isk making time is ticking off.
OK but why am I not raging about it but you?
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Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.01.19 13:42:00 -
[367] - Quote
Frank Pannon wrote: OK but why am I not raging about it but you?
I think you've misunderstood something about the term/definition of "rage". I am amused and extremely satisfied with the results of this so far and we haven't even begun properly killing the incursions.
Please mate - if anything I am one of the most pleased about this. |

Dzajic
54
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Posted - 2012.01.19 15:23:00 -
[368] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Frank Pannon wrote:Here is my simple logic.
Running incursions helps me to buy PvP ships and participate in lowsec, nullsec and WH fleets with friends. There we kill and get killed. We meet new people and interact, experience new things and have fun.
More ISK -> more PvP -> more fun.
This is how I play this game called EVE. It is an MMO, and you can of course influence my gaming experience.
But it does not make you a hero.
Your 15 minutes of fame are ticking. And you really think this is working as intended? Should PVP'ers go back to highsec "safe space" to earn "PvP time" (let's be honest that's what ISK really is) before they venture out again? Is highsec incursion not just a pit-stop for PvP'ers? "I am going to highsec to earn some ISK before I can come back and lose more ships or whatever in dangerous space". Is this really something you approve of? You don't think the most rewarding features should be in less safe space? Where's your logic now? Over my dead body.Your lovely incursions are going down mate. YOUR isk making time is ticking off.
Rofl. That is how EVE has worked since people started using jump clones and alts. Poor suckers without any of those; stuck being rank and file troops in 00 are ones without isk to afford fun. Everyone who appreciated their time has had highsec money making alts; trade, invention, L4s... whatever. That is simply how EVE works for anyone with brains.
You can kill Incursions (I'd like to see your mom killing fleet attendance during weekdays in a month or two) but you will not change that. If you somehow manage to convince CCP to finally remove highsec L4s (that act alone would lose so many subs its not even funny to consider) people would go for exploration or trade or invention. |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.01.19 15:37:00 -
[369] - Quote
Dzajic wrote:If you somehow manage to convince CCP to finally remove highsec L4s (that act alone would lose so many subs its not even funny to consider) people would go for exploration or trade or invention.
Oh you ******* imbecile. How did this suddenly become a discussion about lvl 4 missions? Are you really that simple minded? Find me a quote where I (me, myself and Krissada) state that I want lvl 4's moved to lowsec.
If I was a carebear, I'd be ashamed to be even in the same room as you. |

Cannibal Kane
Count With Teddy Mercenaries
200
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Posted - 2012.01.19 15:44:00 -
[370] - Quote
Anybody interested in buying the Corpse of all Incursion Runners fav Skunkworks Pilot?
Convo me ingame for Psychotic Monks Corpse.. "Demoralize the Enemy from within by Surprise, Terror, Sabotage, Assassination. This method of Guarilla Warfare is the only Method of Warfare for me"
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1130
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Posted - 2012.01.19 15:45:00 -
[371] - Quote
Frank Pannon wrote:Here is my simple logic.
Running incursions helps me to buy PvP ships and participate in lowsec, nullsec and WH fleets with friends. There we kill and get killed. We meet new people and interact, experience new things and have fun.
More ISK -> more PvP -> more fun.
This is how I play this game called EVE. It is an MMO, and you can of course influence my gaming experience.
But it does not make you a hero.
Your 15 minutes of fame are ticking.
If you are losing ships so much that you have to milk a incursion, you might be better off reviewing the blob and get blobbed tactics that, for the most part, comprise a ship grinder.
I see it all of the time, people needing to rack up the ISK to "go PVP", and those few who do, because many will have only time to rack up the ISK, will pimp up ships and then lose them. Then they have to come back.
That type also thinks they need at least 50 million SP before they an qualify for the end all be all leet PVP world.
You are doing it wrong.
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Dzajic
55
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Posted - 2012.01.19 15:50:00 -
[372] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Dzajic wrote:If you somehow manage to convince CCP to finally remove highsec L4s (that act alone would lose so many subs its not even funny to consider) people would go for exploration or trade or invention. Oh you ******* imbecile. How did this suddenly become a discussion about lvl 4 missions? Are you really that simple minded? Find me a quote where I (me, myself and Krissada) state that I want lvl 4's moved to lowsec. If I was a carebear, I'd be ashamed to be even in the same room as you.
I really do enjoy these futile discussions cause you will accomplish nothing of them. Continue talking mate, I wanna see if you can find arguments that are more useless that the ones you've already used. "This is how it's always been so it should stay this way" <--- brilliant argument.
Can you talk without using insults and profanities?
You said that you will not allow anyone to casually fund their playtime and PVP by doing highsec incursions nor anything similar; as you don't want EVE to be that way. After highsec Incrusiosn are gone L4s are next step; there have been infinite number of "CCP nurf them" threads over the years; once Incursiosn are no longer interesting people will returning to whining about L4s. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1130
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Posted - 2012.01.19 15:51:00 -
[373] - Quote
Dzajic wrote:Krissada wrote:Frank Pannon wrote:Here is my simple logic.
Running incursions helps me to buy PvP ships and participate in lowsec, nullsec and WH fleets with friends. There we kill and get killed. We meet new people and interact, experience new things and have fun.
More ISK -> more PvP -> more fun.
This is how I play this game called EVE. It is an MMO, and you can of course influence my gaming experience.
But it does not make you a hero.
Your 15 minutes of fame are ticking. And you really think this is working as intended? Should PVP'ers go back to highsec "safe space" to earn "PvP time" (let's be honest that's what ISK really is) before they venture out again? Is highsec incursion not just a pit-stop for PvP'ers? "I am going to highsec to earn some ISK before I can come back and lose more ships or whatever in dangerous space". Is this really something you approve of? You don't think the most rewarding features should be in less safe space? Where's your logic now? Over my dead body.Your lovely incursions are going down mate. YOUR isk making time is ticking off. Rofl. That is how EVE has worked since people started using jump clones and alts. Poor suckers without any of those; stuck being rank and file troops in 00 are ones without isk to afford fun. Everyone who appreciated their time has had highsec money making alts; trade, invention, L4s... whatever. That is simply how EVE works for anyone with brains. You can kill Incursions (I'd like to see your mom killing fleet attendance during weekdays in a month or two) but you will not change that. If you somehow manage to convince CCP to finally remove highsec L4s (that act alone would lose so many subs its not even funny to consider) people would go for exploration or trade or invention.
The issue of where the ISK is made and why is a whole other topic, like those L4 missions. As addressed before, if you need a lot of ISK to PVP, you are following along an incorrect concept that PVP is like a hole in space in which you throw enormous amounts of ISK. But the difference in high and low/0.0 is an older issue that is constantly addressed in other threads. The high need for ISK is a result of "cannon fodder tactics" whereby you blob or get blobbed usually for poor reasons. I suspect that if people had to be stingy with ISK PVP would become more interesting instead of rock, bigger rock, more rocks, even bigger rock, need more ISK.
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TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
3
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Posted - 2012.01.19 15:55:00 -
[374] - Quote
Aine Ni wrote:mirel yirrin wrote:We can have a hundred fighting men and women in any area of space within two hours at any time, in any configuration of ship. You are a lunatic if you think otherwise.
This just proves how delussional, you envious people are 
+1 and as proof...
I am sitting in J104321 right now... you have 2 hours... hek, I'll give ya till down time... =]
Ahh.. "Pride goeth before another forum post" TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.01.19 15:56:00 -
[375] - Quote
Dzajic wrote: You said that you will not allow anyone to casually fund their playtime and PVP by doing highsec incursions nor anything similar; as you don't want EVE to be that way. After highsec Incrusiosn are gone L4s are next step; there have been infinite number of "CCP nurf them" threads over the years; once Incursiosn are no longer interesting people will returning to whining about L4s.
Quote: Straw Man Argument: A subtype of the red herring, this fallacy includes any lame attempt to "prove" an argument by overstating, exaggerating, or over-simplifying the arguments of the opposing side. Such an approach is building a straw man argument. The name comes from the idea of a boxer or fighter who meticulously fashions a false opponent out of straw, like a scarecrow, and then easily knocks it over in the ring before his admiring audience. His "victory" is a hollow mockery, of course, because the straw-stuffed opponent is incapable of fighting back. When a writer makes a cartoon-like caricature of the opposing argument, ignoring the real or subtle points of contention, and then proceeds to knock down each "fake" point one-by-one, he has created a straw man argument.
I am talking about incursions. Nothing else. |

Dzajic
55
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Posted - 2012.01.19 16:09:00 -
[376] - Quote
So what level of income should Incursions be nerfed to for you to stop doing this? Just asking... What would according to you be ok payout per hour for highsec Incursions? |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1130
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Posted - 2012.01.19 16:48:00 -
[377] - Quote
Dzajic wrote:So what level of income should Incursions be nerfed to for you to stop doing this? Just asking... What would according to you be ok payout per hour for highsec Incursions?
Edit.
Since you constantly keep challenging people to "do something about it" and "stop you".
And just how do you imagine anyone to do that? Wardec BRICK? Even if some groups are rather willing, what would that possibly accomplish? You can't harm a lowsec living alliance. It'd be endless station games and avoiding BRICK hotdrops. And you can shoot us freely in high-sec so we can't do the isk making activity we are supposed to be "fighting for to protect". And most importantly; you can still use neutral fleets to kill moms. Suicide gank your mom fleets? Yeey you've got kill-rights on me for a month; that surely helps me a lot.
The payout of the incursion is artificial. It's strung along because of a coalition agreement not to engage a legitimate PVE target (the Kundalini Manifest).
That target can be engaged by any crew looking to do so, but it comes up against a sense of entitlement by people who have zero control over the game mechanics.
Now if someone was levitating 20' off the ground and being smug about defying gravity, "look at me, gravity don't apply to me. I'm so leet!", would you not have some enjoyment in saying "hey, you can't do that. Laws of physics" - then watch their eyes bug out as they hit the ground.
So you have a target that can be engaged by anybody, people raking in big ISK saying "hey, you can't do that!" and why?
Because they say so?
There is a huge conflict in this world. It's a conflict between people who deal with reality and adapt to it versus masses of zombies who think that things are the way they are because they want to believe they are. Like little kids who think they can alter reality with their desires.
So when they come up with a sweet spot in a game mechanic and milk it for all they can get, and it comprises a huge bubble that ANYBODY can pop, what do you think will happen? And when said owners of bubble act like little spoiled brats about it, what else do you think will happen?
My beef with the incursion mechanic is that no other PVE content allows you to string it along for more ISK at will, and at the same time, give you a path of lesser resistance (easier sites with pimp ships). The elitism that perpetuates through the incursion community is also bothersome. |

Dzajic
56
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Posted - 2012.01.19 16:51:00 -
[378] - Quote
I will kindly point you to CSM minutes where CCP and CSM agreed that sites actually already last too short (yeah, only a week) and that moms get vulnerable too soon. Take form that what you wish. |

Shukuzen Kiraa
0uter Ring Excavations Outer Ring Excavations Syndicate
40
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Posted - 2012.01.19 16:57:00 -
[379] - Quote
Lots of talk, still see no dent being made in Incursions. But that is to be expected from attention starved greifers. |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
4
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Posted - 2012.01.19 16:57:00 -
[380] - Quote
Krissada wrote:
...And you really think this is working as intended?
GǪ"PvP time" (let's be honest that's what ISK really is) before they venture out again?
...Is this really something you approve of?
...You don't think the most rewarding features should be in less safe space?
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
...f you need a lot of ISK to PVP, you are following along an incorrect concept that PVP is like a hole in space in which you throw enormous amounts of ISK.
Need ISK to PvP is an "incorrect concept"? PvP IS a smoke filled HOLE in space where SOMEONES ship just was... and, unless they ragequit, needs now to be REPLACED... and that takes ISK.
UnlessGǪ. You have an invulnerable Hulk and Orca and you manufacture ALL your ships and mods yourself? Or are you sooooo uber you NEVER lose? Or are you just uber enough to lose only what you can replace through lewt and salvage? Or.... do you buy your ships, RMT?
IGÇÖve looked up a lot of peopleGÇÖs fight records... havenGÇÖt seen one yet good enough at PvP to not need ISK... most, even the good ones, lose ships and to replace em, they need ISK. It is the basis of the market.
ISK is the fuel that powers the PVP-E/Market/Industry/Mining/etc./etc. GǪ engine that is EVE.... moar fuel = moar people who can 'afford' PvP and all the other things we do here. Hell even Krissada understand this, ISK = GǣPvP timeGǥ his/er words.
Yes, Krissada, I approve of the game mechanics "as they are' in EVEGǪ You make ISK to be able to do the things you want to do ingame. PvP, explore, PvE, W-space, own a POS, null, or just sit in Jita and fatten yer wallet and never ever undockGǪ
But here is the REAL issue, your real agenda stated clearly for all to seeGǪ
GÇ£You don't think the most rewarding features should be in less safe space?GÇ¥
Hell no. I do not think anyplayer has the right to dictate to anyone else where/how the most rewarding feature in EVE should be.
How would you like it if the GÇ£Opt out of PvPGÇ¥ button people get their way? Or better, if they were able to force you to not have PvP as an option? If you got CONCORDED every time you attacked a ship NO MATTER where you are in EVE and you are left with just mining or L4GÇÖs or somesuch? What if they could force you to play their way?
KrissadaGǪ the issue here is you donGÇÖt like others doing something you donGÇÖt like. It has nothing to do with balancing, or fairnessGǪ it is about your dislike that there is anyone here who you canGÇÖt attack as you please. You and your ilk want null rules to be THE rules. Well, then make some MONEY, start a company, hire some devs and create and market your own MMO.
I guess it must be irritating for you thoughGǪ sittin out there in lo and nullGǪ big ol deserts with very few players per square star systemGǪ and just over the horizonGǪ the glow of the city lights of Empire just FILLED with people going about their businessGǪ and you canGÇÖt kill them as you please.
I am sure the real pirates back in the dayGǪ felt exactly the same when they looked towards England and FranceGǪ from their lonely desert islands far, far away. They hated then, as you hate now. And for the same reasons.
GOD I love this gameGǪ =]
TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |
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Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:01:00 -
[381] - Quote
Dzajic wrote:I will kindly point you to CSM minutes where CCP and CSM agreed that sites actually already last too short (yeah, only a week) and that moms get vulnerable too soon. Take form that what you wish.
Again I will go for an ad hominem. This case because you have no idea what you are talking about. You sir are dumb. Doing what we are doing requires insider knowledge about how incursions work and everything about this mechanic and this has taught us that:
What CCP and CSM is referring to in the minutes is that incursions last too short in terms of "when they can be killed" if it wasn't for the carebear NAP you have all setup. In terms of the influence and penalties being removed in less than a day from the incursion and then it is a pure safe heaven for everyone to come and earn isk.
That is what they are talking about. Not the "incursions should last more than 7 days". Yet another argument of yours taken down to the ground. Oh please do keep going. |

Mr Morita
Gunpoint Diplomacy
2
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:25:00 -
[382] - Quote
What's an incursion? |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1130
|
Posted - 2012.01.19 17:30:00 -
[383] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:UnlessGǪ. You have an invulnerable Hulk and Orca and you manufacture ALL your ships and mods yourself? Or are you sooooo uber you NEVER lose? Or are you just uber enough to lose only what you can replace through lewt and salvage? Or.... do you buy your ships, RMT?
Exploration is my poison and I have en exploration Cyclone that's been crisscrossing from high, through WHs and 0.0 since 2009 and it even has a large grav cap rig to prove its age.
Intel and strategy keeps it alive. I've been hunted, chased, and bubbled a few times (didn't think a BC could go so fast, did they). Every goal I had, I achieved, without being discovered most of the time, which was the point. Many times I returned with a cargo hold full of sleeper and 0.0 exploration loot without so much as a scratch.
I don't treat the game like modern warfare where my hangar is more like a respawn point. I never had more than 500 million ISK in my wallet, give or take a few, and only run SOE L4s for the LPs (to get probes) and cred for jump clones.
Don't know what game you are playing. This is not "attrition online". Play smarter. |

Dzajic
56
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:31:00 -
[384] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Dzajic wrote:I will kindly point you to CSM minutes where CCP and CSM agreed that sites actually already last too short (yeah, only a week) and that moms get vulnerable too soon. Take form that what you wish. Again I will go for an ad hominem. This case because you have no idea what you are talking about. You sir are dumb. Doing what we are doing requires insider knowledge about how incursions work and everything about this mechanic and this has taught us that: What CCP and CSM is referring to in the minutes is that incursions last too short in terms of "when they can be killed" if it wasn't for the carebear NAP you have all setup. In terms of the influence and penalties being removed in less than a day from the incursion and then it is a pure safe heaven for everyone to come and earn isk. That is what they are talking about. Not the "incursions should last more than 7 days". Yet another argument of yours taken down to the ground. Oh please do keep going.
Ok, other than calling my dumb for 5th time; could you please answer any of my questions?
How much should high sec incursions pay? What is it that you keep mentioning that we should do to stop you?
Btw the "carebear NAP" is only reasonable thing anyone would have done in the same position. I've asked dozen times in this and M&E thread, why in the name of God would anyone intentionally chose to decrease their potential for isk making? |

Ricand Michelliaos
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
8
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:35:00 -
[385] - Quote
Well this is a clever thing.
SIgn me up. I Can fly any T1 Subcap you want flown for this, Including Pirate faction and navy faction ships. |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
69
|
Posted - 2012.01.19 17:45:00 -
[386] - Quote
Dzajic wrote:
Ok, other than calling my dumb for 5th time; could you please answer any of my questions?
How much should high sec incursions pay?
I am not a game designer and thus that is not up to me to decide the exact amount, but when I earn the equivalent in a C5 with faction, t3 and capital ships running sites as I can running sites in highsec with no risk of being hotdropped by rooks and kings with 5 guardians, 3 bhaalgorns and a ton of t3's then why would I ever want to actually do sites in w-space? I could just live there just for the PvP and excitement, not for the site and have alts bringing in the isk in highsec. Yep sounds like a damn nice game change to me. Might as well remove all the sleepers from wormhole.
Oh while we talk about inflation. Did you notice that nanoribbons (they come from w-space) have gone up to over 8 million isk now? I am sure it's not because people aren't running sites anymore in w-space.
Dzajic wrote: What is it that you keep mentioning that we should do to stop you?
Btw the "carebear NAP" is only reasonable thing anyone would have done in the same position. I've asked dozen times in this and M&E thread, why in the name of God would anyone intentionally chose to decrease their potential for isk making?
I don't know if you haven't noticed. You should as it seems like you enjoy/do incursions. There is a highsec island incursion currently available and we are going to kill incursions tomorrow.
Hang on let me cut this out for you so even a monkey can understand it.
Highsec island Incursion + lowsec systems + two hostile forces.
Lowsec + two hostile forces.
Lowsec + hostility = PvP.
Now spell it with me.
P V P |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
69
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:48:00 -
[387] - Quote
Ricand Michelliaos wrote:Well this is a clever thing.
SIgn me up. I Can fly any T1 Subcap you want flown for this, Including Pirate faction and navy faction ships.
Well join us tomorrow. Bring an armor buffered BS with pew-pew guns. Medium range engagement expected. |

Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
9
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:56:00 -
[388] - Quote
Frank Pannon wrote:Here is my simple logic.
Running incursions helps me to buy PvP ships and participate in lowsec, nullsec and WH fleets with friends .
You run incursions to replace 6 T1 frigs? |

J Kunjeh
333
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:56:00 -
[389] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Ricand Michelliaos wrote:Well this is a clever thing.
SIgn me up. I Can fly any T1 Subcap you want flown for this, Including Pirate faction and navy faction ships. Well join us tomorrow. Bring an armor buffered BS with pew-pew guns. Medium range engagement expected.
Any use for peeps who can't fly BS and above? I can fly a BC (almost into HAC's, a few more days...). "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |

R34PER
Morin Psychotech
2
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Posted - 2012.01.19 17:57:00 -
[390] - Quote
I am in for this. Megathron and Machariel at my disposal, and if necessary a Loki  |
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Ricand Michelliaos
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
8
|
Posted - 2012.01.19 17:57:00 -
[391] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Ricand Michelliaos wrote:Well this is a clever thing.
SIgn me up. I Can fly any T1 Subcap you want flown for this, Including Pirate faction and navy faction ships. Well join us tomorrow. Bring an armor buffered BS with pew-pew guns. Medium range engagement expected.
Just name the Time and Place, I'll be there. |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
71
|
Posted - 2012.01.19 18:00:00 -
[392] - Quote
J Kunjeh wrote: Any use for peeps who can't fly BS and above? I can fly a BC (almost into HAC's, a few more days...).
A 1600 plated battlecruiser with afterburner (no mwd!) wouldn't be way off either.  Friday at 21.00 EVE time in Austraka solar system gentlemen.
Join "Grief the Bears" before you head off tomorrow though. There might be a change in plans if another incursion appears. We shall see  |

J Kunjeh
333
|
Posted - 2012.01.19 18:00:00 -
[393] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: My beef with the incursion mechanic is that no other PVE content allows you to string it along for more ISK at will, and at the same time, give you a path of lesser resistance (easier sites with pimp ships). The elitism that perpetuates through the incursion community is also bothersome.
That's actually not true. You can do the same to missions...just don't turn them in and wait for them to respawn at DT. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
5
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:38:00 -
[394] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:UnlessGǪ. You have an invulnerable Hulk and Orca and you manufacture ALL your ships and mods yourself? Or are you sooooo uber you NEVER lose? Or are you just uber enough to lose only what you can replace through lewt and salvage? Or.... do you buy your ships, RMT? Exploration is my poison and I have en exploration Cyclone that's been crisscrossing from high, through WHs and 0.0 since 2009 and it even has a large grav cap rig to prove its age. Intel and strategy keeps it alive. I've been hunted, chased, and bubbled a few times (didn't think a BC could go so fast, did they). Every goal I had, I achieved, without being discovered most of the time, which was the point. Many times I returned with a cargo hold full of sleeper and 0.0 exploration loot without so much as a scratch. I don't treat the game like modern warfare where my hangar is more like a respawn point. I never had more than 500 million ISK in my wallet, give or take a few, and only run SOE L4s for the LPs (to get probes) and cred for jump clones. Don't know what game you are playing. This is not "attrition online". Play smarter.
Playing EVE, same as you... just inna different way is all. Man, we are on the same side here. I am not playing Attrition Online either... my thing is GÇ£livingGÇ¥ in W-space, while you explore all of EVE... but I have lost ships. (moar than you though)GǪ LOL an GÇÖ06 char with a BC record of 6 and 3?GǪ just 3 losses in 5 to 6 years?
Great record for a bear (not a slam as obviously PvP is not your primary focus.) and Kudos to you for playing your way and being so successful at it. But still, you had to, at some point, make enough ISK to buy the books, ships, mods you do have (though in your case just not GǣIncursion ISKGǥ as twere)GǪ
I, and my corp, consider ourselves GÇ£carebadgersGÇ¥GǪ we do PvE, mining, run Sleepers and we do PvP when needed (homehole defense) and desired (other hole raids, losec roams) and in self defense, Empire ganks, Wars et alGǪ I just consider PvP a GÇÿpartGÇÖ of my game, not the be all and end all like Krissada and her ilk doGǪ
EVE is SOOOOOO much moar than JUST people in pixilated spasships asploding other people in pixilated spasships GǪ it is one aspect, an important aspect, but just one part of the tapestry and panorama that is EVEGǪ
IGÇÖve said it afore, IGÇÖll say it againGǪ. I love this game. TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
27
|
Posted - 2012.01.19 18:50:00 -
[395] - Quote
Krissada wrote:[
I am not a game designer and thus that is not up to me to decide the exact amount, but when I earn the equivalent in a C5 with faction, t3 and capital ships running sites as I can running sites in highsec with no risk of being hotdropped by rooks and kings with 5 guardians, 3 bhaalgorns and a ton of t3's then why would I ever want to actually do sites in w-space? I could just live there just for the PvP and excitement, not for the site and have alts bringing in the isk in highsec. Yep sounds like a damn nice game change to me. Might as well remove all the sleepers from wormhole.
Oh while we talk about inflation. Did you notice that nanoribbons (they come from w-space) have gone up to over 8 million isk now? I am sure it's not because people aren't running sites anymore in w-space.
Clearly you doing it wrong I make more isk in a C3 or C4 than i would in incursions with less effort. Try some mining, PI or indy to help you out. i think the reason the nano's have gone up is that everyone in a wh is now making T3's so demand for the HS industrialist is higher. If you so upset about your wh yields.. move out and go run incursions.... I am guessing you have done them before but you're upset cause like your wh'ing.. someone else does it better 
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Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
71
|
Posted - 2012.01.19 19:13:00 -
[396] - Quote
drdxie wrote:Clearly you doing it wrong I make more isk in a C3 or C4 than i would in incursions with less effort. Try some mining, PI or indy to help you out. i think the reason the nano's have gone up is that everyone in a wh is now making T3's so demand for the HS industrialist is higher. If you so upset about your wh yields.. move out and go run incursions.... I am guessing you have done them before but you're upset cause like your wh'ing.. someone else does it better 
Come on then chap. Give me your numbers and please do substract POS upkeep scanning/closing wormholes and similar time consuming tasks. How much isk can you earn on a single client doing c3 or c4? All incursion runners have to do is travel to the constellation and wait for a fleet. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1131
|
Posted - 2012.01.19 19:16:00 -
[397] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:UnlessGǪ. You have an invulnerable Hulk and Orca and you manufacture ALL your ships and mods yourself? Or are you sooooo uber you NEVER lose? Or are you just uber enough to lose only what you can replace through lewt and salvage? Or.... do you buy your ships, RMT? Exploration is my poison and I have en exploration Cyclone that's been crisscrossing from high, through WHs and 0.0 since 2009 and it even has a large grav cap rig to prove its age. Intel and strategy keeps it alive. I've been hunted, chased, and bubbled a few times (didn't think a BC could go so fast, did they). Every goal I had, I achieved, without being discovered most of the time, which was the point. Many times I returned with a cargo hold full of sleeper and 0.0 exploration loot without so much as a scratch. I don't treat the game like modern warfare where my hangar is more like a respawn point. I never had more than 500 million ISK in my wallet, give or take a few, and only run SOE L4s for the LPs (to get probes) and cred for jump clones. Don't know what game you are playing. This is not "attrition online". Play smarter. Playing EVE, same as you... just inna different way is all. Man, we are on the same side here. I am not playing Attrition Online either... my thing is GÇ£livingGÇ¥ in W-space, while you explore all of EVE... but I have lost ships. (moar than you though)GǪ LOL an GÇÖ06 char with a BC record of 6 and 3?GǪ just 3 losses in 5 to 6 years? Great record for a bear (not a slam as obviously PvP is not your primary focus.) and Kudos to you for playing your way and being so successful at it. But still, you had to, at some point, make enough ISK to buy the books, ships, mods you do have (though in your case just not GÇ£Incursion ISKGÇ¥ as twere)GǪ I, and my corp, consider ourselves GÇ£carebadgersGÇ¥GǪ we do PvE, mining, run Sleepers and we do PvP when needed (homehole defense) and desired (other hole raids, losec roams) and in self defense, Empire ganks, Wars et alGǪ I just consider PvP a GÇÿpartGÇÖ of my game, not the be all and end all like Krissada and her ilk doGǪ EVE is SOOOOOO much moar than JUST people in pixilated spasships asploding other people in pixilated spasships GǪ it is one aspect, an important aspect, but just one part of the tapestry and panorama that is EVEGǪ IGÇÖve said it afore, IGÇÖll say it againGǪ. I love this game.
Well then, why don't you join the mom takedown fleet and have a good time? It's an aspect of the panorama you should consider and you might get lucky and loot the mom (be fast getting out of there if you do ) |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
6
|
Posted - 2012.01.19 19:37:00 -
[398] - Quote
Krissada wrote:[quote=Dzajic]
GǪthen why would I ever want to actually do sites in w-space? I could just live there just for the PvP and excitement, not for the site and have alts bringing in the isk in highsec.
GǪDid you notice that nanoribbons (they come from w-space) have gone up to over 8 million isk now?
Evidently you havenGÇÖt spent a lot of time in W-spaceGǪ it is downright boring most of the timeGǪ prolly a lot like living in some desert system out deep in null. Oh, we do get a few visitors every now and again (and it can be fun when we do) but Sleepers dunt GÇÿroamGÇÖGǪ and the rest of the time itGÇÖs just usGǪ hangin out, bangin on each otherGǪ very rural life actually, suits me well.
And thanxGǪ reminds me I needa go ta Jita ASAP. Gotta a load of Melted Nanomoney just waitin to be turned into a ThanatosGǪ LOL
(Oh! Sorry dint mean to offend you with my ISK for ships talkGǪ)
Herzog GÇô GÇ£Well then, why don't you join the mom takedown fleet and have a good time? It's an aspect of the panorama you should consider...)
NawGǪ but one of my Allies is considerin the fun to be had gankin the gankersGǪ LOL
GÇ£It should be against The Law to kill anyoneGÇÖs MotherGǪ GÇ£ =]
=====================================================
And now I take my leave (to go scan down the losec hole outta here) and share with you theGǪ
Pater Nulla The EVEning Prayer
CCP, which art in The Land of Ice, (DonGÇÖt let this go to your headsGǪ)
To Thy New Eden we come, Thy DPS to be done, in Hek, As it is in Jita.
Give us this day our daily Adrenaline Rush, And forgive them their piratical ways, As we cloak and warp once more from harms ganking grasp.
Lead us not into Gate Camps, But help us as we camp gates, against them.
And deliver our cargos from evil, For thine is the Server, the Sandbox, The DPS and the Tank,
For ever and everGǪ (or at least until the wife gets home...)
This We beseech thee in Chribba's name, Allow not the tears and whines of the small and the weak, the griefer and the bear, to change the Rules Of The 'Verse, in which we live, and die, our Virtual Lives.
AhhhhhMenGǪ
TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
27
|
Posted - 2012.01.19 19:41:00 -
[399] - Quote
Krissada wrote:drdxie wrote:Clearly you doing it wrong I make more isk in a C3 or C4 than i would in incursions with less effort. Try some mining, PI or indy to help you out. i think the reason the nano's have gone up is that everyone in a wh is now making T3's so demand for the HS industrialist is higher. If you so upset about your wh yields.. move out and go run incursions.... I am guessing you have done them before but you're upset cause like your wh'ing.. someone else does it better  Come on then chap.  Give me your numbers and please do substract POS upkeep scanning/closing wormholes and similar time consuming tasks. How much isk can you earn on a single client doing c3 or c4? All incursion runners have to do is travel to the constellation and wait for a fleet.
To be honest.. I haven't kept record.. but I started with 2 accounts in a C3. Just me dual boxing I managed to plex 3 accounts, each have a tengu, I have a chimera, phoenix, orca, fenrir, hulks and a faction fitted NM( got this just for incursions , mostlyu cause I am bored of playing with myself ) and a host of other ships. i have lost 2 Tengu's and numerous other ships in the C3.. its difficult to win any battles when you jumped and its just you dual boxing against an organized wh PVP fleet.. bhalg hurt a PVE tengu, but you know this... I have recently moved to a C4 with a friend so 4 accounts(2 people) in the C4.. built the carrier and phoenix in there. I run a large tower.. sadly don't have all the planets needed for PI for fuel so have to bring it in. I constantly loose ships traveling in the wh... I recently started a 4th account.. so all 4 are plexed, this one for null PVP, I suck at it so need to learn. My wallet between my accounts is round 1.6 bil. Just started incursion's so have maybe made 500mil from that. I play for 3-4 hrs 7 days a week.... My first account is only round 1 and a half years old. I hate lazy ass gankers like I hate RL criminals.. yea I am a care bear.. but put effort in to get the rewards, don't need some slacker ganker who can't do anything else by himself come and ruin my day. There .. now you know my life story. If you consider these care bear tears.. enjoy.. but I really couldn't be arsed if I get ganked.. will just replace. When I do my Jita run next... my wallet will be back up to round 3 bil.. so gank way.. slackers.. Yea I am not stinking rich by many eve player standards.. but I enjoy the game.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1132
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:52:00 -
[400] - Quote
One of the funny paradigms of this topic is that while many claim this is motivated by people trying to foist their game play style or goals on others, a lot of the politics and non-agression of the motherships is the result of people foisting their goals and play style on others.
Mothership's still a legitimate PVE target, no matter who says what and no matter how anybody feels about it.
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TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
6
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:54:00 -
[401] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:One of the funny paradigms of this topic is that while many claim this is motivated by people trying to foist their game play style or goals on others, a lot of the politics and non-agression of the motherships is the result of people foisting their goals and play style on others.
Mothership's still a legitimate PVE target, no matter who says what and no matter how anybody feels about it.
+1 quoted for truth TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Ubiquitous Forum Alt
3
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:55:00 -
[402] - Quote
Krissada wrote: Oh while we talk about inflation. Did you notice that nanoribbons (they come from w-space) have gone up to over 8 million isk now? I am sure it's not because people aren't running sites anymore in w-space.
.....You claim to live in a WH.....and you are COMPLAINING about the price of nanoribbons going up   
Thats like complaining that people are giving you too much free isk.....
If it means that much to you, I'd be happy to take them all off your hands for 1 mil each.....If you have enough of them I might even be persuaded to offer less per nano-ribbon if you ask nicely......Shoot me an eve-mail  I don't log in - I don't need to. My very existence griefs people. They see my name, and they instinctively fill with rage and indignation. Deny it all you want - but if you didn't care, you wouldn't have posted, would you? |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:56:00 -
[403] - Quote
drdxie wrote:To be honest.. I haven't kept record.. but I started with 2 accounts in a C3. Just me dual boxing I managed to plex 3 accounts, each have a tengu, I have a chimera, phoenix, orca, fenrir, hulks and a faction fitted NM( got this just for incursions  , mostlyu cause I am bored of playing with myself ) and a host of other ships.
That's the thing that truly saddens me being a wormholer dweller. Your ship collection is not really hard to get with dual boxing incursions. Earning over 200 m an hour.
Let me break it in numbers for you. For one incursion lasting 6 days there has been people earning over 700.000 LP (sometimes up to 1m sp - I have seen the incursion killmail/freedom mails myself). How much is that? That's over 5 b isk for just one incursion and that's not even dualboxing. If you were that would be double up.
So a serious dualboxing incursion runner can buy your whole ship collection in a weeks time. He could also PLEX all his accounts in a couple of days (based on your own activity drdxie).
This is what is ridiculous. This discussion should not even be going on. I should not be able to state these arguments that w-space actually earns less than what a highsec 10-man group can earn.
Ubiquitous Forum Alt wrote:.....You claim to live in a WH.....and you are COMPLAINING about the price of nanoribbons going up    
No, while earning more is always pleasant, seeing evidence of a migration from w-space is sad. Don't read what I write, understand what I write instead (or less people doing the actual sites). |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
776
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Posted - 2012.01.19 20:16:00 -
[404] - Quote
While I find it sad to see any segment of the game lose players, I do rather like all the empty wormholes I've been finding. And rising MNR prices make my shiny ship habit much easier to sustain. |

drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.01.19 20:25:00 -
[405] - Quote
Krissada wrote:drdxie wrote:To be honest.. I haven't kept record.. but I started with 2 accounts in a C3. Just me dual boxing I managed to plex 3 accounts, each have a tengu, I have a chimera, phoenix, orca, fenrir, hulks and a faction fitted NM( got this just for incursions  , mostlyu cause I am bored of playing with myself ) and a host of other ships. That's the thing that truly saddens me being a wormholer dweller. Your ship collection is not really hard to get with dual boxing incursions. Earning over 200 m an hour. Let me break it in numbers for you. For one incursion lasting 6 days there has been people earning over 700.000 LP (sometimes up to 1m sp - I have seen the incursion killmail/freedom mails myself). How much is that? That's over 5 b isk for just one incursion and that's not even dualboxing. If you were that would be double up. So a serious dualboxing incursion runner can buy your whole ship collection in a weeks time. He could also PLEX all his accounts in a couple of days (based on your own activity drdxie). This is what is ridiculous. This discussion should not even be going on. I should not be able to state these arguments that w-space actually earns less than what a highsec 10-man group can earn.
Ubiquitous Forum Alt wrote:.....You claim to live in a WH.....and you are COMPLAINING about the price of nanoribbons going up     No, while earning more is always pleasant, seeing evidence of a migration from w-space is sad. Don't read what I write, understand what I write instead (or less people doing the actual sites).
To be honest.. I don't care too much about how others make their isk, except maybe learning from them... otherwise I would sit complaining that its not fair that moongoo can only be found in null and I don't have access and there are no ice fields in my wh... etc... so let me get a bunch of people together and go beat them up.... actually.. why not go to null and do just that.. those alliances make way more than any incursion runner can hope to make.. BTW I have no problem taking down the MOM early or contesting sites.. I do have an issue with suicide ganking the pilots in their ships, shiny or otherwise.. lets face it... no matter how, they worked to get them... If you not happy with how others make their isk.. go join them. That's the beauty of eve.. |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
6
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Posted - 2012.01.19 20:27:00 -
[406] - Quote
Krissada wrote:No, while earning more is always pleasant, seeing evidence of a migration from w-space is sad. Don't read what I write, understand what I write instead (or less people doing the actual sites).
LOL...
"...earning more is always pleasant..."
According to you, ONLY if it is you... others are not allowed to make so much moar than you...
"...evidence of a migration from w-space..."
Huh? LOL... yea, we're all flocking to Hisec! Watchout! LOL
"Don't read what I write, understand what I write instead..." Uh, can't unnerstand that what I dunt read... LOL
ZOMG! How about you WRITE what you MEAN instead... LOL
Everyone, listen UP, Krissada wants us all to NOT READ WHAT SHE WRITES... uh, ok by me. =]
(I swear I have lol'ed so hard at this I actually have a real for god salt water tear in the right hand corner of my left hand eye.... whoooo... =] silliest crap I have read in a long time... and I'm OLD)
Best Post in the whole thread... TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.01.19 20:33:00 -
[407] - Quote
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:While I find it sad to see any segment of the game lose players, I do rather like all the empty wormholes I've been finding. And rising MNR prices make my shiny ship habit much easier to sustain.
Maybe people are leaving wh's as the price of ice is going up??? and if you have many people in one hole its not that profitable if you don't make use of all the available resources. There's a good cause.. gank the ice miner gankers... Also many holes are empty with dead towers as the residents have been podded and haven't thought to have a low skill scanning alt in it... but as Floppie said.. who cares.. more nano's for me :) I have found many c2's lately with dozens of anoms that need tending... |

Ubiquitous Forum Alt
3
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Posted - 2012.01.19 20:33:00 -
[408] - Quote
drdxie wrote: actually.. why not go to null and do just that..
Let me know how that works out for you. I hear PL is a real pushover, you should start with them.
 I don't log in - I don't need to. My very existence griefs people. They see my name, and they instinctively fill with rage and indignation. Deny it all you want - but if you didn't care, you wouldn't have posted, would you? |

drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2012.01.19 20:43:00 -
[409] - Quote
Ubiquitous Forum Alt wrote:drdxie wrote: actually.. why not go to null and do just that.. Let me know how that works out for you. I hear PL is a real pushover, you should start with them. 
Was just being silly trying to prove a point.. that being the people ganking incursion runners are not doing it for the greater good of the eve community.. its all self interest and hs carebears are easy targets as you are safe till you actually hit the trigger, all rather cowardly IMHO
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Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.01.19 20:49:00 -
[410] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
(I swear I have lol'ed so hard at this I actually have a real for god salt water tear in the right hand corner of my left hand eye.... whoooo... =] silliest crap I have read in a long time... and I'm OLD)
Best Post in the whole thread...
I am glad you were amused. That parenthesis was in the wrong sentence ... derp anyway lol. You're a lost case and blinded by your own ideas.
People are more than welcome to earn more isk than me. Stop putting words in my mouth. You are unbelievable lol. That's what I wrote what up there. People keep interpreting what I say incorrectly. What can you do .... mad people can't think logically can they now? |
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Sin Istersly
Royal Navy Security Services The-Nation
16
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:00:00 -
[411] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Dzajic wrote:If you somehow manage to convince CCP to finally remove highsec L4s (that act alone would lose so many subs its not even funny to consider) people would go for exploration or trade or invention. Oh you ******* imbecile. How did this suddenly become a discussion about lvl 4 missions? Are you really that simple minded? Find me a quote where I (me, myself and Krissada) state that I want lvl 4's moved to lowsec. If I was a carebear, I'd be ashamed to be even in the same room as you.
I really do enjoy these futile discussions cause you will accomplish nothing of them. Continue talking mate, I wanna see if you can find arguments that are more useless that the ones you've already used. "This is how it's always been so it should stay this way" <--- brilliant argument.
If you enjoy it so much why am I still mopping your tears off my linoleum every time I check this thread? LOL |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1132
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:03:00 -
[412] - Quote
drdxie wrote:Krissada wrote:drdxie wrote:To be honest.. I haven't kept record.. but I started with 2 accounts in a C3. Just me dual boxing I managed to plex 3 accounts, each have a tengu, I have a chimera, phoenix, orca, fenrir, hulks and a faction fitted NM( got this just for incursions  , mostlyu cause I am bored of playing with myself ) and a host of other ships. That's the thing that truly saddens me being a wormholer dweller. Your ship collection is not really hard to get with dual boxing incursions. Earning over 200 m an hour. Let me break it in numbers for you. For one incursion lasting 6 days there has been people earning over 700.000 LP (sometimes up to 1m sp - I have seen the incursion killmail/freedom mails myself). How much is that? That's over 5 b isk for just one incursion and that's not even dualboxing. If you were that would be double up. So a serious dualboxing incursion runner can buy your whole ship collection in a weeks time. He could also PLEX all his accounts in a couple of days (based on your own activity drdxie). This is what is ridiculous. This discussion should not even be going on. I should not be able to state these arguments that w-space actually earns less than what a highsec 10-man group can earn.
Ubiquitous Forum Alt wrote:.....You claim to live in a WH.....and you are COMPLAINING about the price of nanoribbons going up     No, while earning more is always pleasant, seeing evidence of a migration from w-space is sad. Don't read what I write, understand what I write instead (or less people doing the actual sites). To be honest.. I don't care too much about how others make their isk, except maybe learning from them... otherwise I would sit complaining that its not fair that moongoo can only be found in null and I don't have access and there are no ice fields in my wh... etc... so let me get a bunch of people together and go beat them up.... actually.. why not go to null and do just that.. those alliances make way more than any incursion runner can hope to make.. BTW I have no problem taking down the MOM early or contesting sites.. I do have an issue with suicide ganking the pilots in their ships, shiny or otherwise.. lets face it... no matter how, they worked to get them...  If you not happy with how others make their isk.. go join them. That's the beauty of eve..
I have always been supportive of the idea of "raid-able moon mining arrays" and perhaps even mobile moon mining systems that can fit in a WH. Unfortunately there is the pervasive idea that all PVP is shooting at each other, something that the marketers and indies have proven to be false. It would be nice to go into 0.0 and steal their goo. It's possible to get past their gank pipelines and "Great Wall of Carebear".
A good time would be had by all.
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Sin Istersly
Royal Navy Security Services The-Nation
16
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:06:00 -
[413] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Dzajic wrote: You said that you will not allow anyone to casually fund their playtime and PVP by doing highsec incursions nor anything similar; as you don't want EVE to be that way. After highsec Incrusiosn are gone L4s are next step; there have been infinite number of "CCP nurf them" threads over the years; once Incursiosn are no longer interesting people will returning to whining about L4s.
Quote: Straw Man Argument: A subtype of the red herring, this fallacy includes any lame attempt to "prove" an argument by overstating, exaggerating, or over-simplifying the arguments of the opposing side. Such an approach is building a straw man argument. The name comes from the idea of a boxer or fighter who meticulously fashions a false opponent out of straw, like a scarecrow, and then easily knocks it over in the ring before his admiring audience. His "victory" is a hollow mockery, of course, because the straw-stuffed opponent is incapable of fighting back. When a writer makes a cartoon-like caricature of the opposing argument, ignoring the real or subtle points of contention, and then proceeds to knock down each "fake" point one-by-one, he has created a straw man argument.
I am talking about incursions. Nothing else.
You guilty of your own arguement. I'm not sure on the specific numbers, but I wouldnt be surprised if a large, LARGE number of PVP deaths, are between a skilled and equipped gunship taking out a helpless cargo ship or underskilled nullsec curious adventurer. Yet you people rant and rave about your mad skillz and soak in the communities attention. How ignorant do you have to be to accuse someone else of your favorite PVP time tactic?
In personal experience, the only times I've ever lost a ship, it was a cargo hauler to a much more powerful gunship. Talk about a challenge! |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:08:00 -
[414] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote: You guilty of your own arguement. I'm not sure on the specific numbers, but I wouldnt be surprised if a large, LARGE number of PVP deaths, are between a skilled and equipped gunship taking out a helpless cargo ship or underskilled nullsec curious adventurer. Yet you people rant and rave about your mad skillz and soak in the communities attention. How ignorant do you have to be to accuse someone else of your favorite PVP time tactic?
In personal experience, the only times I've ever lost a ship, it was a cargo hauler to a much more powerful gunship. Talk about a challenge!
So suddenly I am made the leader and representative of all griefers and gankers? Wow ... I am honored.
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Sin Istersly
Royal Navy Security Services The-Nation
16
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:13:00 -
[415] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Krissada wrote:
...And you really think this is working as intended?
GǪ"PvP time" (let's be honest that's what ISK really is) before they venture out again?
...Is this really something you approve of?
...You don't think the most rewarding features should be in less safe space?
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
...f you need a lot of ISK to PVP, you are following along an incorrect concept that PVP is like a hole in space in which you throw enormous amounts of ISK.
Need ISK to PvP is an "incorrect concept"? PvP IS a smoke filled HOLE in space where SOMEONES ship just was... and, unless they ragequit, needs now to be REPLACED... and that takes ISK. UnlessGǪ. You have an invulnerable Hulk and Orca and you manufacture ALL your ships and mods yourself? Or are you sooooo uber you NEVER lose? Or are you just uber enough to lose only what you can replace through lewt and salvage? Or.... do you buy your ships, RMT? IGÇÖve looked up a lot of peopleGÇÖs fight records... havenGÇÖt seen one yet good enough at PvP to not need ISK... most, even the good ones, lose ships and to replace em, they need ISK. It is the basis of the market. ISK is the fuel that powers the PVP-E/Market/Industry/Mining/etc./etc. GǪ engine that is EVE.... moar fuel = moar people who can 'afford' PvP and all the other things we do here. Hell even Krissada understand this, ISK = GÇ£PvP timeGÇ¥ his/er words. Yes, Krissada, I approve of the game mechanics "as they are' in EVEGǪ You make ISK to be able to do the things you want to do ingame. PvP, explore, PvE, W-space, own a POS, null, or just sit in Jita and fatten yer wallet and never ever undockGǪ But here is the REAL issue, your real agenda stated clearly for all to seeGǪ GÇ£You don't think the most rewarding features should be in less safe space?GÇ¥Hell no. I do not think anyplayer has the right to dictate to anyone else where/how the most rewarding feature in EVE should be. How would you like it if the GÇ£Opt out of PvPGÇ¥ button people get their way? Or better, if they were able to force you to not have PvP as an option? If you got CONCORDED every time you attacked a ship NO MATTER where you are in EVE and you are left with just mining or L4GÇÖs or somesuch? What if they could force you to play their way? KrissadaGǪ the issue here is you donGÇÖt like others doing something you donGÇÖt like. It has nothing to do with balancing, or fairnessGǪ it is about your dislike that there is anyone here who you canGÇÖt attack as you please. You and your ilk want null rules to be THE rules. Well, then make some MONEY, start a company, hire some devs and create and market your own MMO. I guess it must be irritating for you thoughGǪ sittin out there in lo and nullGǪ big ol deserts with very few players per square star systemGǪ and just over the horizonGǪ the glow of the city lights of Empire just FILLED with people going about their businessGǪ and you canGÇÖt kill them as you please. I am sure the real pirates back in the dayGǪ felt exactly the same when they looked towards England and FranceGǪ from their lonely desert islands far, far away. They hated then, as you hate now. And for the same reasons. GOD I love this gameGǪ =]
BRAVO! BRAVO! M*$%#^F**KING ENCORE!
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Tian Nu
Evil Ppl
15
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:18:00 -
[416] - Quote
yeah am making way to much ISK in incursion, payd for this account untill january 2013 i guss is not good for CCP to get ppl play EvE for long period ahaid someone must stop this madness now ! |

Sin Istersly
Royal Navy Security Services The-Nation
17
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:25:00 -
[417] - Quote
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:While I find it sad to see any segment of the game lose players, I do rather like all the empty wormholes I've been finding. And rising MNR prices make my shiny ship habit much easier to sustain.
Agreed. Normally I wouldnt dare take my non expendable retriever into a WH for some mining, however lately, the entire areas have been so empty, it's easy to hop in, farm a few million in Arkonor, and leave quietly, nobody ever even knowing I was there.
(There was one case where someone found me, we talked, he scared me to teach me a lesson, and left me to my happy mining) |

Sin Istersly
Royal Navy Security Services The-Nation
17
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:28:00 -
[418] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Sin Istersly wrote: You guilty of your own arguement. I'm not sure on the specific numbers, but I wouldnt be surprised if a large, LARGE number of PVP deaths, are between a skilled and equipped gunship taking out a helpless cargo ship or underskilled nullsec curious adventurer. Yet you people rant and rave about your mad skillz and soak in the communities attention. How ignorant do you have to be to accuse someone else of your favorite PVP time tactic?
In personal experience, the only times I've ever lost a ship, it was a cargo hauler to a much more powerful gunship. Talk about a challenge!
So suddenly I am made the leader and representative of all griefers and gankers? Wow ... I am honored.
No, just the loudest and most visible hipocrit amoung them, at the moment. |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
7
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:28:00 -
[419] - Quote
Krissada wrote: (unintelligible GÇÿwordsGÇÖ)(keep getting GÇÿFunction Not AllowedGÇÖ)
I was amusedGǪ and hence the trolling was deserved and appropo. =]
And youngun I been a lost cause longer than you been alive betchaGǪ and lovin it! LOL
Not my words dearieGǪ YOURS.
GǣWe have to put a gag to this ISK faucetGǪGǥ GǣGǪstopping the ISK faucet..Gǥ
Just the 1st 2 I foundGǪ so, whos ISK Faucet you so worried/upset/whiney about??
Not yours as we can see, you dunt run IncursionsGǪ ohGǪ wait, you are GOING to run Incursions (kill the Moms)GǪ to mess with the people who make too much ISK from running Incursions in a way you dunt approve ofGǪ I see, yes, it has nothing to do with anyone making moar ISK than youGǪ just making moar ISK than they should be allowed toGǪ by you.
I prostrate myself and beg your forgivenessGǪ LOL
And I am sorry Krissada, but I believe in ME!!! =]
Krissada- GÇ£People keep interpreting what I say incorrectly.GÇ¥
If it is a long term, continuing pattern of misinterpretationGǪ IE GǣtheyGǥ GǣkeepGǥ doing itGǪ One cannot but help to wonder if it is because you are, quite simply, full of itGǪ and the interpretations are actually, correctGǪ hmmm.
TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
517
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:57:00 -
[420] - Quote
/Thread How stupid is CCP? So stupid it took them SEVEN YEARS to make a "loot all' Button. |
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mirel yirrin
Ore Mongers BricK sQuAD.
14
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Posted - 2012.01.19 22:03:00 -
[421] - Quote
Everyone above this line has been trolled Darius III for CSM! Or your money back! |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
17
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Posted - 2012.01.19 22:05:00 -
[422] - Quote
Oh crap! The carebears figured out our transparent play! Quickly! Delete the thread less the masses hear of this breaking news! |

Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
19
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Posted - 2012.01.19 22:33:00 -
[423] - Quote
Just so people know, someone complaning about incurbears making to much isk for no risk, and then killing MOMs to stop it isn't hypocrisy, It's doing something to try and stop it (and to produce EPIC amounts of tears as a side effect) or to put it another way, killing the MOM can simply be thought of as a mean to an end.
Now if they then proceeded to farm vanguard sites with the same ruthless efficiency that the bears do, then, and only then, would they be hypocrites.
Edit: I realise that I have probably ignored my own sig by posting this... Damn Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.01.19 22:49:00 -
[424] - Quote
mirel yirrin wrote:Everyone above this line has been trolled
shhh, don't tell them that xD |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1132
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Posted - 2012.01.19 23:06:00 -
[425] - Quote
I don't get the tears thing. The Sansha mothership is a PVE target. What I can't go ratting too? Who is shedding tears over it, people who have tears to shed about something? In a game no less.
OK I have to admit that crushing someone's sense of entitlement can be good for the rest of us. But that's the good thing about crushing a sense of entitlement: it's nobody else's fault when somebody else feels entitled to something.
I am sure the Vanguard blitzers will clamor for some kind of point system whereby only people who run a given number of sites can go to the mom site, and the "top 40" scorers are only allowed in. Expect them to beg for that - but still be allowed to let the mom sit there for a week.
That's the rub - I expect it too - if they get the mom site to be spawned as a special mission room for them only because of this, but CCP puts a spawn timer on the mom and the incursion ends, even if the timer is generous, they will still cry about it.
And seeing people cry an whine about losing something that they never really had, as if it was theirs by fiat just because, makes me want to whizz in their Cheerios.
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Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
12
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Posted - 2012.01.19 23:44:00 -
[426] - Quote
this thread is out of control! http://mlfw.info/f/933/ |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
143
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Posted - 2012.01.19 23:53:00 -
[427] - Quote
drdxie wrote: Maybe people are leaving wh's as the price of ice is going up??? and if you have many people in one hole its not that profitable if you don't make use of all the available resources. There's a good cause.. gank the ice miner gankers...
No, ice prices were similar to today in other past years as well. Only real rise were the ones affected by Goons operation. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1593
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Posted - 2012.01.19 23:54:00 -
[428] - Quote
death to all motherships |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
7
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Posted - 2012.01.19 23:56:00 -
[429] - Quote
Grey Azorria wrote:Just so people know, someone complaning about incurbears making to much isk for no risk, and then killing MOMs to stop it isn't hypocrisy, It's doing something to try and stop it (and to produce EPIC amounts of tears as a side effect) or to put it another way, killing the MOM can simply be thought of as a mean to an end.
Now if they then proceeded to farm vanguard sites with the same ruthless efficiency that the bears do, then, and only then, would they be hypocrites.
Edit: I realise that I have probably ignored my own sig by posting this... Damn
Point by point...
"...complaining..." whining, crying, raging, hating.... all sweet sweet griferbear tears
"...too much isk for no risk...." says who? 1. there is risk, many a logi ship has popped in 'cusion sites. 2. this is an OIPINON. Not a factual statement. CCP sets the standards, not (thank god) any of you.
"...killing MOMs to stop it isn't hypocrisy..." uh, nope, its GRIEFING. An act in an of itself with no value whatsoever except to create the emo of joy in griferbears. It won't stop anything. (and I personally doubt CCP will be swayed to stop the 'cursions just to stop you from running them... logically that dog dont hunt)
"...It's doing something to try and stop it..." and you see CCP gettin all upset and responding to your Running Incursions, and killing the MOM, as compared to running the Incursions and then farming them, as a way to get them to stop people from running Incursions in any style they choose? uh... again dog still sittin under porch.
I bet the Devs who have looked up this thread are LOL'ing as hard as I was earlier...
Yer OK... you dint have to go anywhere to argue on that level... I know, I was watching from up here. =] TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1593
|
Posted - 2012.01.19 23:59:00 -
[430] - Quote
the mothership is shootable
they kill it
i don't see how that's griefing ;p |
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Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:00:00 -
[431] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
"...killing MOMs to stop it isn't hypocrisy..." uh, nope, its GRIEFING. An act in an of itself with no value whatsoever except to create the emo of joy in griferbears. It won't stop anything. (and I personally doubt CCP will be swayed to stop the 'cursions just to stop you from running them... logically that dog dont hunt)
!!!!!!!!!!!!! Breaking News !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Killing NPC's is now considered griefing. And back to you Andski!
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Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
12
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:04:00 -
[432] - Quote
Andski wrote:the mothership is shootable
they kill it
i don't see how that's griefing ;p
This is just a rumor but I'm pretty sure Motherships are full of candy and rainbows... |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
7
|
Posted - 2012.01.20 00:07:00 -
[433] - Quote
Andski wrote:the mothership is shootable
they kill it
i don't see how that's griefing ;p
Krissada wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
"...killing MOMs to stop it isn't hypocrisy..." uh, nope, its GRIEFING. An act in an of itself with no value whatsoever except to create the emo of joy in griferbears. It won't stop anything. (and I personally doubt CCP will be swayed to stop the 'cursions just to stop you from running them... logically that dog dont hunt)
!!!!!!!!!!!!! Breaking News !!!!!!!!!!!!! Killing NPC's is now considered griefing. And back to you Andski!
really? that slow huh? Still watchin through the window at a badly run tard daycare...
OK, lets bring it down to your level... They kill the MOMS you see, to Grief (that means to upset) the Incursionbears... they been saying that over and over since post #1...
If you dont get it now, you never will... but its OK... dont be sad, they have special schools for you... with crayons! and cake...
Arguing with tards is fun... if a tad tiresome.... =] TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1593
|
Posted - 2012.01.20 00:10:00 -
[434] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Andski wrote:the mothership is shootable
they kill it
i don't see how that's griefing ;p Krissada wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:
"...killing MOMs to stop it isn't hypocrisy..." uh, nope, its GRIEFING. An act in an of itself with no value whatsoever except to create the emo of joy in griferbears. It won't stop anything. (and I personally doubt CCP will be swayed to stop the 'cursions just to stop you from running them... logically that dog dont hunt)
!!!!!!!!!!!!! Breaking News !!!!!!!!!!!!! Killing NPC's is now considered griefing. And back to you Andski! really? that slow huh? Still watchin through the window at a badly run tard daycare... OK, lets bring it down to your level... They kill the MOMS you see, to Grief (that means to upset) the Incursionbears... they been saying that over and over since post #1... If you dont get it now, you never will... but its OK... dont be sad, they have special schools for you... with crayons! and cake... Arguing with tards is fun... if a tad tiresome.... =]
so, tell me, why do you believe you are entitled to run incursions? |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
12
|
Posted - 2012.01.20 00:10:00 -
[435] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote: and cake...
http://mlfw.info/f/1927/ :O |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
7
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:15:00 -
[436] - Quote
Andski wrote:so, tell me, why do you believe you are entitled to run incursions?
uh.... really? still? OK, how about $15 US a month is why.
Jezuz H. Christ onna crutch.... make a man worry for the future of the world.
TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
11
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:20:00 -
[437] - Quote
Incursions have created conflict in game between players, news items and spawned multiple threads on the forums .All of it driven by the players. This is Eve.
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1593
|
Posted - 2012.01.20 00:22:00 -
[438] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Andski wrote:so, tell me, why do you believe you are entitled to run incursions? uh.... really? still? OK, how about $15 US a month is why. Jezuz H. Christ onna crutch.... make a man worry for the future of the world.
your subscription entitles you to do **** all in this game, fyi
but i guess that's just the WoW mentality |

Callous Jade
Narcissistic Ventures
12
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:23:00 -
[439] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Andski wrote:so, tell me, why do you believe you are entitled to run incursions? uh.... really? still? OK, how about $15 US a month is why. Jezuz H. Christ onna crutch.... make a man worry for the future of the world.
I was gonna go with the old "wow is that way" but I dont think you could find your way out of a wet paper bag without a map. |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
7
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:24:00 -
[440] - Quote
Alexandra Delarge wrote:Incursions have created conflict in game between players, news items and spawned multiple threads on the forums .All of it driven by the players. This is Eve.
+1 quoted for truth.
... and its working exactly as they hoped. =] TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1593
|
Posted - 2012.01.20 00:24:00 -
[441] - Quote
I guess I should petition every ship i've lost ever because I PAY $15 A MONTH (((
not really lol i use plex |

Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
11
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:28:00 -
[442] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Alexandra Delarge wrote:Incursions have created conflict in game between players, news items and spawned multiple threads on the forums .All of it driven by the players. This is Eve.
+1 quoted for truth. ... and its working exactly as they hoped. =] You think killing NPCs is griefing. Please don't like or +1 my post. |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
7
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:29:00 -
[443] - Quote
LOL.... I dont know, never played WoW.... too many kiddies.... too silly a game.
There needs to be an IQ test to play EVE.... except we'd lose so many fine fine people.
I reiterate... Si non potes comminues, et derident TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Dzajic
56
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:33:00 -
[444] - Quote
Alexandra Delarge wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Alexandra Delarge wrote:Incursions have created conflict in game between players, news items and spawned multiple threads on the forums .All of it driven by the players. This is Eve.
+1 quoted for truth. ... and its working exactly as they hoped. =] You think killing NPCs is griefing. Please don't like or +1 my post.
Killing a specific NPCs for sole purpose to prevent other people farming isk by killing some other NPCs over and over again; and enjoy their rage about it... That is near textbook definition of griefing. |

Chevy Hakoke
Shockwave Innovations Stellar Economy Experts
15
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:38:00 -
[445] - Quote
Dzajic wrote:Alexandra Delarge wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Alexandra Delarge wrote:Incursions have created conflict in game between players, news items and spawned multiple threads on the forums .All of it driven by the players. This is Eve.
+1 quoted for truth. ... and its working exactly as they hoped. =] You think killing NPCs is griefing. Please don't like or +1 my post. Killing a specific NPCs for sole purpose to prevent other people farming isk by killing some other NPCs over and over again; and enjoy their rage about it... That is near textbook definition of griefing.
Ah yes carebear logic at work.
About as logic as mister "I pay the same amount of money a month just like everyone else, but I deserve special rights" |

Kirith Vespira
Just Abide
6
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:45:00 -
[446] - Quote
You want to grief fat, hairy gay dudes?? OK, but that's just---
Well, you know what that makes you. :)
And no, I didn't read any posts beyond the fail OP's post. |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
12
|
Posted - 2012.01.20 00:50:00 -
[447] - Quote
Andski wrote:I guess I should petition every ship i've lost ever because I PAY $15 A MONTH (((
not really lol i use plex
so many ships in one hanger bay would crash the node :O
harrdy harrdy harr |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
7
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Posted - 2012.01.20 00:57:00 -
[448] - Quote
Andski wrote: your subscription entitles you to do **** all in this game, fyi
but i guess that's just the WoW mentality
Curiousity... what, may I ask, are you entitled to in EVE? what is any of us?
Serious question for those here... TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1594
|
Posted - 2012.01.20 01:10:00 -
[449] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Andski wrote: your subscription entitles you to do **** all in this game, fyi
but i guess that's just the WoW mentality
Curiousity... what, may I ask, are you entitled to in EVE? what is any of us? Serious question for those here...
your subscription allows you to play the game by the terms in the EULA and ToS
that's it |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
7
|
Posted - 2012.01.20 01:19:00 -
[450] - Quote
Chevy Hakoke wrote:
Killing a specific NPCs for sole purpose to prevent other people farming isk by killing some other NPCs over and over again; and enjoy their rage about it... That is near textbook definition of griefing.
Ah yes carebear logic at work. About as logical as mister "I pay the same amount of money na month just like everyone else, but I deserve special rights"[/quote
LOL... So you read, in your mind, that my saying I spend $15 a month to play EVE, entitled me to anything you arent? LOL
And Yes, doing something in an MMOG, for the express purpose of causing others problems, inconvenience, loss, etc., etc IE "Tears"... IS griefing... arguments to the contrary will not change that fact. TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |
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TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
7
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Posted - 2012.01.20 01:23:00 -
[451] - Quote
Andski wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Andski wrote: your subscription entitles you to do **** all in this game, fyi
but i guess that's just the WoW mentality
Curiousity... what, may I ask, are you entitled to in EVE? what is any of us? Serious question for those here... your subscription allows you to play the game by the terms in the EULA and ToS that's it
OK, point taken and agreed. So what's all this "content", that those people at CCP keep going on about for? and who is for? dWoW players?
Incursion is for who? Crucible was programmed and tested and loaded and given to us all for?? why?
Just looking for answers...
TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
12
|
Posted - 2012.01.20 01:48:00 -
[452] - Quote
Welcome everyone, to the most boring thread in eve... http://mlfw.info/f/1933/ |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1594
|
Posted - 2012.01.20 02:01:00 -
[453] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Andski wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Andski wrote: your subscription entitles you to do **** all in this game, fyi
but i guess that's just the WoW mentality
Curiousity... what, may I ask, are you entitled to in EVE? what is any of us? Serious question for those here... your subscription allows you to play the game by the terms in the EULA and ToS that's it OK, point taken and agreed. So what's all this "content", that those people at CCP keep going on about for? and who is for? WoW players? Incursion is for who? Crucible was programmed and tested and loaded and given to us all for?? why? Just looking for answers... PS... and I found em In the EULA (publicly posted information, not a private communication): "You may play EVE using CCP's proprietary software (the "Software") that allows you to log into CCP's computer system (the "System") online and interact within the game environment created by CCP." Turns out, we are all "entitled" to run missions, do Exploration and yes, to run Incursions... as Incursions are integral content within the game environment created by CCP.
okay petition the dudes who keep headshotting the motherships as griefers, the GMs need a good laugh once in a while
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Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
13
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Posted - 2012.01.20 02:06:00 -
[454] - Quote
Dzajic wrote:Alexandra Delarge wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Alexandra Delarge wrote:Incursions have created conflict in game between players, news items and spawned multiple threads on the forums .All of it driven by the players. This is Eve.
+1 quoted for truth. ... and its working exactly as they hoped. =] You think killing NPCs is griefing. Please don't like or +1 my post. Killing a specific NPCs for sole purpose to prevent other people farming isk by killing some other NPCs over and over again; and enjoy their rage about it... That is near textbook definition of griefing.
http://mlfw.info/f/1197/ |

Ubiquitous Forum Alt
3
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Posted - 2012.01.20 02:28:00 -
[455] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote: Incursions are integral content within the game environment created by CCP.
Dictionary.com wrote: integral [in-ti-gruhl, in-teg-ruhl] GÇé Origin in-+te-+gral GÇé GÇé[in-ti-gruhl, in-teg-ruhl] Show IPA adjective
necessary to the completeness of the whole: This point is integral to his plan.
So....You are saying everyone who doesn't run incursions regularly does NOT in fact play EVE Online at all?  I don't log in - I don't need to. My very existence griefs people. They see my name, and they instinctively fill with rage and indignation. Deny it all you want - but if you didn't care, you wouldn't have posted, would you? |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
7
|
Posted - 2012.01.20 02:30:00 -
[456] - Quote
Andski wrote:okay petition the dudes who keep headshotting the motherships as griefers, the GMs need a good laugh once in a while
I have no need nor desire to petiton against them... I am commenting on how silly grieferbears are.
With one face you (not you personally, griefers I mean, you know.... the ever evil "them") LOL and crow over making others Cry and Rage, and how you drink deep of carebear Tears... how did Krissada put it? Oh yeaGǪ Post #1 GǣCan you imagine highsec where the bears only get to incursion 15-20 hours for a whole week? I can and it is filled with tears....Gǥ
And with the other face, you (not you, "them") argue vehemently that what you do (not you, "them") is not Griefing... Ooooohhh Noes!!! It's... ahh, ummm.... A SERVICE to the community, yea, that's it! You hate killing carebears, ganking miners, interfering with Incursion farmers... but sadly, they have left you no choice... it is for the "Good Of Us All"... LOL
I don't run Incursions.... never have. I have a rusty, blingless T2 'cusion Mach, I just never made the jump-off... too busy makin ISK and having fun in da hole.
And the GMs and the Devs and CCPs execs ALL want moar "player interaction"... and this qualifies heartily. I am sure they are pleased as punch and can't wait to see what "we", their everlovin player base, comes up with next...
Alts nitpicking & troll score: +1 for effort (and it can use google) -5 for content. TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
7
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Posted - 2012.01.20 02:44:00 -
[457] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir, you are really a horrible poster, please, for the sake of my faith in humanity, just stop it. |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
7
|
Posted - 2012.01.20 02:49:00 -
[458] - Quote
Hmm... may I inquire as to why I am so horrid in your eyes? Just curious...
TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
13
|
Posted - 2012.01.20 03:09:00 -
[459] - Quote
I ******* can't tell any of you Brutor Tribe dreadlockys apart -.- http://mlfw.info/f/1230/ |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
7
|
Posted - 2012.01.20 03:12:00 -
[460] - Quote
LOL.... yea, I was hopin for a unique look... now I see me everywhere... TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |
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Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
517
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Posted - 2012.01.20 03:37:00 -
[461] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:LOL.... yea, I was hopin for a unique look... now I see me everywhere...
TurAmanth I am trying to help you. This is an intervention. Stop posting, it is hurting you, me everyone. Cant you see what you are doing to yourself? Drugs are bad...your posting is worse. How stupid is CCP? So stupid it took them SEVEN YEARS to make a "loot all' Button. |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
17
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Posted - 2012.01.20 03:40:00 -
[462] - Quote
Andski wrote:the mothership is shootable
they kill it
i don't see how that's griefing ;p
your oversimplfying. The griefing is a perception based on them interfering with anothers gameplay style. If your too slow to understand the concept of different perceptions or that grief is an emotion caused by others disruptign their plans, dont bother posting, please.
If I came along and popped your PVP ship before you could pop someone else, that's griefing even. I'm disrupting your plans.
The term griefing, within eve however, is mostly only applied to people who's PRIMARY intention is to disrupt someone elses planned actions. Your causing grief by changing those plans. It's a fairly simple concept, I dont see how your missing it. |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
17
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Posted - 2012.01.20 03:42:00 -
[463] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Chevy Hakoke wrote:
Killing a specific NPCs for sole purpose to prevent other people farming isk by killing some other NPCs over and over again; and enjoy their rage about it... That is near textbook definition of griefing.
Ah yes carebear logic at work. About as logical as mister "I pay the same amount of money na month just like everyone else, but I deserve special rights"[/quote LOL... So you read, in your mind, that my saying I spend $15 a month to play EVE, entitled me to anything you arent? LOL And Yes, doing something in an MMOG, for the express purpose of causing others problems, inconvenience, loss, etc., etc IE "Tears"... IS griefing... arguments to the contrary will not change that fact.
As support to my previous post, here, the words of a wisened person who can explain it better then I. |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
17
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Posted - 2012.01.20 03:45:00 -
[464] - Quote
Darius III wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:LOL.... yea, I was hopin for a unique look... now I see me everywhere... TurAmanth I am trying to help you. This is an intervention. Stop posting, it is hurting you, me everyone. Cant you see what you are doing to yourself? Drugs are bad...your posting is worse.
Hahahaha, isnt like any politician to put down as the first option of retaliation. Wow. Most of you griefers are so unilaterally, infirmly, arrogantly, ignorantly stubborn. I havnt seen people so transparent and atypically refusing change since I raised my children past the age of 6. Let me guess, Mommy and Daddy didnt beat your @$$ when you had it coming?
Hoxothul wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir, you are really a horrible poster, please, for the sake of my faith in humanity, just stop it.
you look for faith in humanity in a game? WTF WHY!? Lol! Their is no point in keeping faith in humanity, people are flawed, it's our very nature, everyone is flawed. Anyone you everp ut your faith in will eventually let you down, almost definitely. |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
8
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Posted - 2012.01.20 03:48:00 -
[465] - Quote
This Thread needed shuttin down... silly effin grieferbears cryin buckets of tears over people not playin EVE the way they want em too...
and I dint vote for ya... =P
My work here is done. TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
17
|
Posted - 2012.01.20 03:49:00 -
[466] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:This Thread needed shuttin down... silly effin grieferbears cryin buckets of tears over people not playin EVE the way they want em too...
and I dint vote for ya... =P
My work here is done.
Dont take it to heart Tur, I'm sure I'm not the only one here who's seen the truth in what you said and is laughing at the tearful greiferbears as they short out their own keyboards. |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
8
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Posted - 2012.01.20 03:58:00 -
[467] - Quote
LOL... one can but hope... Though the confict, player on player, in here and out there, IS what EVE really is all about... not the PvP, not the ships and fits and ISK and ****... but about people, interacting with people.... no matter what form it takes.... I enjoy it all...
I've said it afore, and I'll say it again... I LOVE this game!! TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Lysaeus
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
3
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Posted - 2012.01.20 04:00:00 -
[468] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:I havnt seen people so transparent and atypically refusing change since I raised my children past the age of 6. Let me guess, Mommy and Daddy didnt beat your @$$ when you had it coming?
So you beat your kids? |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
8
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Posted - 2012.01.20 04:01:00 -
[469] - Quote
As often as you need it... TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Poloturion
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.20 04:05:00 -
[470] - Quote
Lysaeus wrote:So you beat your kids?
You don't? |
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TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
8
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Posted - 2012.01.20 04:07:00 -
[471] - Quote
Hey Sin.... my son is my CEO!!! LOL.. and he's the middle kid... Active duty Marine (and a real sandbox vet) stationed in SC several states away from home... and I get to spend time with him here every night...
Man I love this game... =] TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1134
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Posted - 2012.01.20 04:07:00 -
[472] - Quote
Darius III wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:LOL.... yea, I was hopin for a unique look... now I see me everywhere... TurAmanth I am trying to help you. This is an intervention. Stop posting, it is hurting you, me everyone. Cant you see what you are doing to yourself? Drugs are bad...your posting is worse.
Let him post. Any last shred of guilt I might have had for taking down the mom is gone thanks to him.
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TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
8
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Posted - 2012.01.20 04:10:00 -
[473] - Quote
Wow.... Darius can stop me from posting??? SO CCP gave him godlike powers??
And why wouldn't you be guilt free Herzog? You were doing us all a SERVICE right?? Yer not a grieferbear... are you?
L O L TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
13
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Posted - 2012.01.20 04:23:00 -
[474] - Quote
Darius III wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:LOL.... yea, I was hopin for a unique look... now I see me everywhere... TurAmanth I am trying to help you. This is an intervention. Stop posting, it is hurting you, me everyone. Cant you see what you are doing to yourself? Drugs are bad...your posting is worse.
NOBODY OUT-CRAZIES KEITH! http://mlfw.info/f/1120/ |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1595
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Posted - 2012.01.20 04:28:00 -
[475] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:This Thread needed shuttin down... silly effin grieferbears cryin buckets of tears over people not playin EVE the way they want em too...
and I dint vote for ya... =P
My work here is done. Dont take it to heart Tur, I'm sure I'm not the only one here who's seen the truth in what you said and is laughing at the tearful greiferbears as they short out their own keyboards.
the irony of a risk-averse hisec incursion runner calling anyone a "bear" does not escape me
fyi all the tears seem to be coming from the incursion bears ;p |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
8
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Posted - 2012.01.20 04:43:00 -
[476] - Quote
Andski wrote:the irony of a risk-averse hisec incursion runner calling anyone a "bear" does not escape me
fyi all the tears seem to be coming from the incursion bears ;p
Ahhhh.... ok, lets do this slow again...
1. I am not an Incursion runner. Have Never done even one. 2. I am not by any means risk-averse... I live in an effin wormhole... if you think that's risk-averse, then you have other, worse delusions you should seek treatment for... 3. I love PvP... my record is not the best, 50/50, and I aint real good at it... but I can hold my own and I love a GF...
what one man calls tears... is another's justified disdain... meh.
Went over all of this before... TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
8
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Posted - 2012.01.20 04:51:00 -
[477] - Quote
I feel like a boxer walkin around and around the ring.... and nobody wants to step up.
OK, my love to ya all... and thanx for a fun afternoon.. =] TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Umega
Solis Mensa
43
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Posted - 2012.01.20 05:02:00 -
[478] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir and Sin Istersly..
Your posts cause me grief, and interrupt my brain to function as I want it to.
Only I.. can make long winded posts with the punchline at the end. You are interferring with my posting style.
Stop Talking.
Otherwise you both are just hypocrits. Trolling hypocrits that are so deluded with your own stench.. you can't detect that you have become what you are poo-poo'ing. Bravo. |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
8
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Posted - 2012.01.20 05:44:00 -
[479] - Quote
LOL... wow, baby talk now? Does yer mommy know you plugged the Wifi back in?
As for interrupting your brain to function... no one here is capable of doing that to me, ever... I am so very sorry you are unable to process higher thoughts.
I am so proud... Ima braingriefer!!!
and if I don't stop talking... I am a hypocrit? ...inna "discussion Forum" ...about a GAME?? LOL Im not even gonna ask HOW we are hypocrits for discussing a topic of interest to us...
...by that reasoning, if all the Incursionbears don't stop making TOO MUCH ISK... they're BAD Incursionbears and needa be shown your Dislike Per Second?
(The above Incursionbear reference was to gently guide you back to the topic at hand... ) TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1134
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Posted - 2012.01.20 07:05:00 -
[480] - Quote
This thread comes complete with an emotional meltdown, and it didn't cost us extra.
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Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.01.20 08:16:00 -
[481] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Andski wrote:so, tell me, why do you believe you are entitled to run incursions? uh.... really? still? OK, how about $15 US a month is why.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH!!!! HAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHH!!!
Best
tears
ever |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
601
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Posted - 2012.01.20 09:40:00 -
[482] - Quote
Krissada wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Andski wrote:so, tell me, why do you believe you are entitled to run incursions? uh.... really? still? OK, how about $15 US a month is why. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH!!!! HAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHH!!! Best tears ever
Would be great tears to be had if I could hear them over your laughter.
Then again it appears to be normal in your group after watching the fail editing of that fake logi video. Don't enjoy the tears enjoy hearing the sound of your own voice instead. |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
18
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Posted - 2012.01.20 09:51:00 -
[483] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:As often as you need it...
Lysaeus wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:I havnt seen people so transparent and atypically refusing change since I raised my children past the age of 6. Let me guess, Mommy and Daddy didnt beat your @$$ when you had it coming? So you beat your kids?
Only as often as needed and no more. All things in moderation, and lets face it, if your honest with yourself, as a child, I dont think a single one of us as people can deny that at some point in our upbringing, we we're snotty, stuck up, bratty, and spoiled to the point that nothing would get thru to us but a swift smack on the ass. I know I was at time and I'm grateful for the spankings I received when they were deserved. It kept me from turning into some of the crybabies you've seen propogating this thread. I'm not saying I liked it, I'm not saying anything sexual, and I'm not saying everyone should beat their kids. I'm saying I'm glad my parents disciplined me appropriately.
For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5jxvEs3hYk
Perhaps if she'd been spanked on occasion she wouldnt be whining about getting a new car in the wrong color.
My dad 'gave' me a car when I turned 18.
His 88 ford crown victoria.
Gave me a deal too, $1000 bucks for it and he helped me fix the transmission. Twice. I was grateful.
Even let me use his tools, and the rest of the gas in the tank, such kindness. I'm sure he would have backhanded me for complaining about it being a red ford, but you know what, that old POS was held together by rust and bubblegum, got 7 miles to the gallon, no AC, no radio, and it drove like a up armored tank. But I loved that car. Wish I didnt have to sell it when I deployed. Hell, if I ever get the money, I'm gonna try to buy it back. I miss that old road tank. Here's some real tears for you crybears.  |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
18
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Posted - 2012.01.20 09:53:00 -
[484] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Hey Sin.... my son is my CEO!!! LOL.. and he's the middle kid... Active duty Marine (and a real sandbox vet) stationed in SC several states away from home... and I get to spend time with him here every night...
Man I love this game... =]
Semper Fi brother. Two time vet of the sandbox here, currently civie in college and loving it. Might go back, might not, I dont miss the brass, but I do miss my brothers in arms.
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Andski wrote:the irony of a risk-averse hisec incursion runner calling anyone a "bear" does not escape me
fyi all the tears seem to be coming from the incursion bears ;p Ahhhh.... ok, lets do this slow again... 1. I am not an Incursion runner. Have Never done even one. 2. I am not by any means risk-averse... I live in an effin wormhole... if you think that's risk-averse, then you have other, worse delusions you should seek treatment for... 3. I love PvP... my record is not the best, 50/50, and I aint real good at it... but I can hold my own and I love a GF... what one man calls tears... is another's justified disdain... meh. Went over all of this before...
Same here, I'm not risk averse, I'm risk wise. I dont have the skills to handle myself against a PVP trained pilot in nullsec. You think it's ironic that I'm laughing at nullsec bears tears when I'm a highsec bear? I think it'd be pretty F^^King stupid to take my weakly PVP skilled butt out into the shooting gallery to be honest, where I stand next to no chance against a frigate with a skilled pilot in it in even the most powerful Battle cruiser with T2 myself. Why would it be wise for me to take 150 mil in equipment into the middle of nullsec to get popped exactly? that's the one thing I cant figure out.
Again, risk wise. The potential gain does not outweigh the immediate risk. Derp. |

Cannibal Kane
Count With Teddy Mercenaries
201
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Posted - 2012.01.20 10:04:00 -
[485] - Quote
At first this sounded like a good Idea so I decided to keep an eye out for what will happen.
I see the word Tear farming used to much for just to many different situations, and all I see is both sides Crying.
The OP is crying about people making to much isk in incursions. Incursion runners crying about sites going down fast.
It really very exciting from the sidelines, please continue. "Demoralize the Enemy from within by Surprise, Terror, Sabotage, Assassination. This method of Guarilla Warfare is the only Method of Warfare for me"
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Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
18
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Posted - 2012.01.20 10:06:00 -
[486] - Quote
Actually, most of the incursion runners seem to be crying about the nullsec crybabies crying about them not playing the mechanics as intended.
"Damn you fools for ingenuity and exploitation! We pirates are the ones who exploit stuff!" seems to be the general theme in my opinion. I find it amusing. |

Cannibal Kane
Count With Teddy Mercenaries
201
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Posted - 2012.01.20 10:09:00 -
[487] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote: Actually, most of the incursion runners seem to be crying about the nullsec crybabies crying about them not playing the mechanics as intended.
"Damn you fools for ingenuity and exploitation! We pirates are the ones who exploit stuff!" seems to be the general theme in my opinion. I find it amusing.
True...
Although I consider Tear farming as somebody begging you not to pop his ship or such thing, only do it and watch him rage. Now thats Tear farming, this is just... lame from both sides. "Demoralize the Enemy from within by Surprise, Terror, Sabotage, Assassination. This method of Guarilla Warfare is the only Method of Warfare for me"
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Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
19
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Posted - 2012.01.20 10:54:00 -
[488] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:Sin Istersly wrote: Actually, most of the incursion runners seem to be crying about the nullsec crybabies crying about them not playing the mechanics as intended.
"Damn you fools for ingenuity and exploitation! We pirates are the ones who exploit stuff!" seems to be the general theme in my opinion. I find it amusing. True... Although I consider Tear farming as somebody begging you not to pop his ship or such thing, only do it and watch him rage. Now thats Tear farming, this is just... lame from both sides.
Eh, I suppose I cant argue. In my defense though, I dont look into the forums much, and I even more rarely post. I'm not quite sure what compelled me to get involved in this particular thread. Perhaps it was just something entertaining to do while my mining lasers did their jobs. |

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
517
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Posted - 2012.01.20 11:14:00 -
[489] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:
Why would it be wise for me to take 150 mil in equipment into the middle of nullsec to get popped exactly? Derp.
No one suggests you need to take "150 mil in equipment" nor go to "the middle of nullsec" to "get popped". Derp indeed.
How stupid is CCP? So stupid it took them SEVEN YEARS to make a "loot all' Button. |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
71
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Posted - 2012.01.20 11:28:00 -
[490] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:As often as you need it... Lysaeus wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:I havnt seen people so transparent and atypically refusing change since I raised my children past the age of 6. Let me guess, Mommy and Daddy didnt beat your @$$ when you had it coming? So you beat your kids? Only as often as needed and no more.
I don't know mate. This is just a game and you are outright saying you are guilty of what would be considered a crime in my country. Well try and keep the discussion children safe alright? We wouldn't want you to beat them up. |
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Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
637
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Posted - 2012.01.20 12:06:00 -
[491] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:Again, risk wise. The potential gain does not outweigh the immediate risk. Derp. So you agree the reward doesn't meet the increased risk.
Part of that is because you can make 120mil in highsec, each hour, 24/7
Perhaps. Just perhaps, if that kind of income was only possible in 0.0 your argument would be very different. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
336
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Posted - 2012.01.20 12:25:00 -
[492] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote: So you beat your kids?
Only as often as needed and no more. I don't know mate. This is just a game and you are outright saying you are guilty of what would be considered a crime in my country. Well try and keep the discussion children safe alright? We wouldn't want you to beat them up. So, when your son lights the house of fire being an idiot, you will not spank him?
I take it you prefer emotional abuse as a punishment for children. Thats terrible.  o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Tyralyn
Stardust Academy
1
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Posted - 2012.01.20 12:42:00 -
[493] - Quote
Khanh'rhh wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:Again, risk wise. The potential gain does not outweigh the immediate risk. Derp. So you agree the reward doesn't meet the increased risk. Part of that is because you can make 120mil in highsec, each hour, 24/7 Perhaps. Just perhaps, if that kind of income was only possible in 0.0 your argument would be very different.
I think the payout should be changed the main problem is we dont remove isk from the game with pi ccp removed the last isk destruction from the game and the isk getting more and more. The incrusions speeded up the trend I think one possibility is to change the payout in incurisons low money for example 2 mill per sight but much more lp the next step is create a new concord lp shops with things they are needed in 0.0 for example tower blueprints (bpc) and remove the orginal blueprints (this is only a example) so we keep the money inflow A other ide is reduce the the money to 5 m per run and add tags to the lp shop :-) for a high lp price so you can spend youre lps in a usefuel way to get first the tags in lp shop and than some factionmoduls by a other lp shop
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TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
10
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Posted - 2012.01.20 14:14:00 -
[494] - Quote
Krissada wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Krissada wrote:
So you beat your kids?
Only as often as needed and no more. I don't know mate. This is just a game and you are outright saying you are guilty of what would be considered a crime in my country. Well try and keep the discussion children safe alright? We wouldn't want you to beat them up.
Darius III wrote:
No one suggests you need to take "150 mil in equipment" nor go to "the middle of nullsec" to "get popped". Derp indeed.
UhGǪ excuse me Darius, butGǪ Krissada #1 GÇô GÇ£We have to put a gag to this ISK faucet and shake up those bears. If they wanna do incursions they can go to lowsec or nullsecGÇ¥
So yeaGǪ the OP of this inane post is saying exactly that... and trying to force others to go to lo / nullGǪ check yer facts man.
And SinGǪ I do believe I found why Krissada believes s/he can tell others what to do and how they can play "he/r" MMOGGǪ. She was never GÇÿtaughtGÇÖ how to get along with others and that there are consequences for he/r in appropriate actionsGǪ
Thank GOD I still live in a country that understands spare the rod, spoil the brat.
And Sin,... semper fi bro. o7
TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
10
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Posted - 2012.01.20 14:35:00 -
[495] - Quote
Tyralyn wrote: I think the payout should be changed the main problem is we dont remove isk from the game with pi ccp removed the last isk destruction from the game and the isk getting more and more. The incrusions speeded up the trend I think one possibility is to change the payout in incurisons low money for example 2 mill per sight but much more lp the next step is create a new concord lp shops with things they are needed in 0.0 for example tower blueprints (bpc) and remove the orginal blueprints (this is only a example) so we keep the money inflow A other ide is reduce the the money to 5 m per run and add tags to the lp shop :-) for a high lp price so you can spend youre lps in a usefuel way to get first the tags in lp shop and than some factionmoduls by a other lp shop
OK, this is as close as anyone here has come to a reasoned and thought out arguement. I can alllmost go with this except for the base premise.
That it is somehow wrong for people to 'farm' Incursons making large amounts of ISK which they do not put into IRA's or college funds, but ply right back into the game, supporting the economy, buying ships and stuff AND as has been intimated all along, supporting the PvP habits of many a main (or alt)... I just dont see it.
Its a game, we spend time to make ISK. Moar ISK, moar ships in space, moar opportunities for PvP... Reduce peoples incomes, you directly reduce the number of people who can afford to PvP... You will not 'force' anyone into lo or null if they can turn to an alternate, though lesser, form of income generation... of which there are many.
The basic premise, that it is wrong and a breach of game mechanics to farm NPCs, something that has been done since NPCs first started flyin around in EVE... is sheer BS, no matter how much ISK is made.
You just dunt like it, and yer gonna do this to stir things up. If you'ld just say it and stand up for your griefing ways... I wouldn't have a word to post here. But you are trying to justify griefing... and you can't or your arguments wouldn't include the refernces to Tears... the one thing griefers all value so highly. TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
8
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Posted - 2012.01.20 14:57:00 -
[496] - Quote
Tyralyn wrote: I think the payout should be changed the main problem is we dont remove isk from the game with pi ccp removed the last isk destruction from the game and the isk getting more and more. The incrusions speeded up the trend I think one possibility is to change the payout in incurisons low money for example 2 mill per sight but much more lp the next step is create a new concord lp shops with things they are needed in 0.0 for example tower blueprints (bpc) and remove the orginal blueprints (this is only a example) so we keep the money inflow A other ide is reduce the the money to 5 m per run and add tags to the lp shop :-) for a high lp price so you can spend youre lps in a usefuel way to get first the tags in lp shop and than some factionmoduls by a other lp shop
Wow, somebody actually got it right!
We do not want Incursions removed, we do not want to permanently stop high sec carebears from playing the game either.
What we want is that highsec incursions gets balanced, in regards to both Risk vs Reward and raw ISK injection to the game.
Reduce the amount of raw ISK that are being given per side and boost the LP somewhat to make up for it. Furthermore, whenever the Mothership do spawn, rest of the sites should stop spawning, forcing the community to actually kill the Mothership and end the incursion, as it was intended from the beginning. |

J Kunjeh
334
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Posted - 2012.01.20 15:00:00 -
[497] - Quote
God the tears are so, so lovely in this thread. Seriously, such crybaby's abound in Eve. Kill moar mom's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
53
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Posted - 2012.01.20 15:25:00 -
[498] - Quote
J Kunjeh wrote:God the tears are so, so lovely in this thread. Seriously, such crybaby's abound in Eve. Kill moar mom's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://mlfw.info/f/1398/ |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
10
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Posted - 2012.01.20 15:41:00 -
[499] - Quote
Tyralyn wrote: What we want is that highsec incursions gets balanced, in regards to both Risk vs Reward and raw ISK injection to the game.
...and end the incursion, as it was intended from the beginning.
Again, well argued and I can almost, almost... see it.... but nope.
As I see it, the risk v reward has been set by CCP. They made these the hardest Hisec NPCs in the game, and bumped the rewards, in thier view, accordingly. I am satisfied with what they have decided... you aren't.
"... and end the Incursion, as it was intended..." Says who? Did CCP wite up a blog saying we msut end it? That the Mom must be killed? If so why dont the mechanics already force that? It would be easy to do according to many here, but they did not set the mechanics that way... and they know ALL about NPC farmnot code for a ing, it has been going on for years now... so why did they not code for a forced end? Why did they allow NPC farming in Incursions...?
Mebbe to intiate this sort of player v player drama... one wonders. TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
9
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Posted - 2012.01.20 15:46:00 -
[500] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Tyralyn wrote: What we want is that highsec incursions gets balanced, in regards to both Risk vs Reward and raw ISK injection to the game.
...and end the incursion, as it was intended from the beginning.
Again, well argued and I can almost, almost... see it.... but nope. As I see it, the risk v reward has been set by CCP. They made these the hardest Hisec NPCs in the game, and bumped the rewards, in thier view, accordingly. I am satisfied with what they have decided... you aren't. "... and end the Incursion, as it was intended..." Says who? Did CCP wite up a blog saying we msut end it? That the Mom must be killed? If so why dont the mechanics already force that? It would be easy to do according to many here, but they did not set the mechanics that way... and they know ALL about NPC farmnot code for a ing, it has been going on for years now... so why did they not code for a forced end? Why did they allow NPC farming in Incursions...? Mebbe to intiate this sort of player v player drama... one wonders.
Concord pays to you defeat Sanshas raiding forces, to protect the citizens of high sec from slavery, no? How exactly are you defending them by keeping the Mothership alive as long as possible so that you can farm the vanguards? |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1134
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Posted - 2012.01.20 15:56:00 -
[501] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:As often as you need it... Lysaeus wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:I havnt seen people so transparent and atypically refusing change since I raised my children past the age of 6. Let me guess, Mommy and Daddy didnt beat your @$$ when you had it coming? So you beat your kids? Only as often as needed and no more. All things in moderation, and lets face it, if your honest with yourself, as a child, I dont think a single one of us as people can deny that at some point in our upbringing, we we're snotty, stuck up, bratty, and spoiled to the point that nothing would get thru to us but a swift smack on the ass. I know I was at time and I'm grateful for the spankings I received when they were deserved. It kept me from turning into some of the crybabies you've seen propogating this thread. I'm not saying I liked it, I'm not saying anything sexual, and I'm not saying everyone should beat their kids. I'm saying I'm glad my parents disciplined me appropriately. For example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5jxvEs3hYkPerhaps if she'd been spanked on occasion she wouldnt be whining about getting a new car in the wrong color. My dad 'gave' me a car when I turned 18. His 88 ford crown victoria. Gave me a deal too, $1000 bucks for it and he helped me fix the transmission. Twice. I was grateful. Even let me use his tools, and the rest of the gas in the tank, such kindness. I'm sure he would have backhanded me for complaining about it being a red ford, but you know what, that old POS was held together by rust and bubblegum, got 7 miles to the gallon, no AC, no radio, and it drove like a up armored tank. But I loved that car. Wish I didnt have to sell it when I deployed. Hell, if I ever get the money, I'm gonna try to buy it back. I miss that old road tank. Here's some real tears for you crybears. 
There's a lot to what you are writing.
Starting around the early 1990s, there was a movement in parenting that was all about letting your kids know how special and wonderful and smart they are, in spite of any evidence to the contrary.
We are now seeing the "fruits" of that labor, in game and out. A lot of people are so thinking they are so great at everything and living in a little bubble of their own perception when in fact, they suck as people and suck at what they do. I have to deal with these zombies every day. These are the people who tell you their name and expect you to jump for joy.
And these are the people with a dangerous sense of entitlement. I hope those that play this game learn to shed it before some RL situation comes up where their overblown sense of self could get them killed.
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J Kunjeh
335
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Posted - 2012.01.20 15:58:00 -
[502] - Quote
Please take your parenting discussions to the OOP forum, this thread is about tears. Thank you. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |

March rabbit
Ganse Shadow of xXDEATHXx
114
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Posted - 2012.01.20 16:03:00 -
[503] - Quote
J Kunjeh wrote:Please take your parenting discussions to the OOP forum, this thread is about tears. Thank you. do you mean tears is that white things on your face?
interesting..... |

J Kunjeh
335
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Posted - 2012.01.20 16:13:00 -
[504] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:J Kunjeh wrote:Please take your parenting discussions to the OOP forum, this thread is about tears. Thank you. do you mean tears is that white things on your face? interesting.....
Those aren't tears...I just had a facial. "The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |

GhostDragoon
Incertae Sedis Cascade Imminent
6
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Posted - 2012.01.20 16:54:00 -
[505] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Before words ---- Yes, it's this thread again. No, it's not just empty words. This was posted many days ago, but I decided to take it down to have some chats with a few selected people before finalizing everything. _____________________ We have come to the conclusion that even though blackbird suicide ganking is a profitable and very fun activity it only limits the Incursion Bear activities by some degree. If we are to end their reign once and for all which has lasted for almost a year it is time we do it now. We would like to announce the creation of a wonderful and most generous channel named: "Grief the Bears" with the sole purpose of taking down all motherships in highsec as soon as they appear and end the incursion just like CCP intended.... We shall put an end to this inhuman farming and abuse of game mechanics. We have to put a gag to this ISK faucet and shake up those bears. If they wanna do incursions they can go to lowsec or nullsec.  What do we require and why do we need you?
- 30-40 bodies to effectively fight off the site and finish it.
- Armor buffer fit battleships and a handful subbattleships.
- T2 logistic ships.
- Empty tear jars.
So join us at the channel ----> Grief the Bears and let us finally put an end to all this. Once all the highsec incursions are down they will not respawn for another 24+ hours. When that one will spawn it will only take the bears 4-5 hours to make the mothership appear and then we shall sweep in yet again and finish it. Can you imagine highsec where the bears only get to incursion 15-20 hours for a whole week? I can and it is filled with tears.... PS: Beware that extracting a sufficient amount of tears will result in merc wardecs hired by rich bears. I see this as a side bonus! _______________ Above is the simple plan. We cannot keep on waiting and whining to CCP. We are taking matters into our own hands with or without you. If you want to join, feel free to. If you rather not that is fine too. But if you want to whine and complain because we are stopping the ISK faucet then make sure you are crying into one of our jars. Fly much reckless 
Why does every one of these posts sound like another group of butthurt carebears.
OH! BooHoo people make more money than me in hisec.. GET OVER IT. go learn to kill things properly, with fire & napalm and even tactical nukes. I find your lack of awesome appalling and your "Down with their reign" RP wannabe persona lacking. You sound more like a carebear than the actual carebears. I'm all for griefing and killing things with fire but you lot really make us look bad....
It's like the entire US/EU/NATO coalition going after Niger and patting each other on the back for winning...
Soft target much? |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1134
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Posted - 2012.01.20 17:15:00 -
[506] - Quote
Look, I just want to pop Sansha motherships and do it while fleeted with an interesting crowd. The mothership is a perfectly legitimate PVE war target.
I also have an interest in seeing if this kind of "raiding tactic" against a single target in a threat-heavy environment has any viability and what kind of methods and ship fittings evolve around this.
With proposed changes in cap mechanics and possible changes in SOV and potential for future conflict, there is a lot that can be learned from this endeavor.
If kiddies who feel entitled to a target they they do not have exclusive access to want to cry about it, it's not my problem. I say the same for null dwellers who cry when I sneak into their systems way past their gank walls.
This is also an opportunity for anybody eschewed from incursions for lack of shineys to put a T1 BS together and rock the boat, have a good time, learn to operate in a fleet, and hit the big red plus. What's wrong with that?
Let's all be motherf**kers. |

Zag'mar Jurkar
QC Steel Industries
6
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Posted - 2012.01.20 17:20:00 -
[507] - Quote
I don't see why incursion runners complain about them being disrupted... All I know and can see is Darius and others playing the Sandbox as intended, and so does the other side as well... |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
10
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Posted - 2012.01.20 17:57:00 -
[508] - Quote
Hoxothul wrote:Concord pays to you defeat Sansha's raiding forces, to protect the citizens of high sec from slavery, no? How exactly are you defending them by keeping the Mothership alive as long as possible so that you can farm the vanguards?
(Responding in Character)
Yes, my friend... We do avoid killing the mothership... this is a strategic battleplan. In the year since Sansha began these "Incursions" into the Empires we have found Sansha's forces act in a very, very predictable manner... their programming allows for very little leeway in their strategy and tactics... and we are taking full advantage of this.
By delaying the destruction of the mothership, we lure more and more of his forces out into battle and destroy them. Sansha does not have unlimited resources available to him any more than the Matari, the Gallente or even the Amarr do.
This is a war, not just a battle. We are in this to TAKE Sansha Kuvakei DOWN! We are in a war of attritionGǪ we cannot at this time afford to invade SanshaGÇÖs home spaceGǪ so we must hurt them as much and as badly as possibleGǪ we draw the line HERE! And NO FURTHER!!!
We will draw them out and draw them out and kill them for as long as it takes! We extend the battle because we can afford the few losses his forces inflict while destroying hundreds of his shipsGǪ and yes, thousands of his slaves. But they are lost already are then not? Death is, for them, a release from slaveryGǪ
It is a hard, hard thing to doGǪ but Sansha Kuvakei leaves us no choice. As we cannot take the fight to him, we must hurt him as much as we can when the opportunity presents itself.
TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Simi Kusoni
The Synergy Cascade Imminent
57
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Posted - 2012.01.20 18:01:00 -
[509] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Hoxothul wrote:Concord pays to you defeat Sansha's raiding forces, to protect the citizens of high sec from slavery, no? How exactly are you defending them by keeping the Mothership alive as long as possible so that you can farm the vanguards? (Responding in Character) Yes, my friend... We do avoid killing the mothership... this is a strategic battleplan. In the year since Sansha began these "Incursions" into the Empires we have found Sansha's forces act in a very, very predictable manner... their programming allows for very little leeway in their strategy and tactics... and we are taking full advantage of this. By delaying the destruction of the mothership, we lure more and more of his forces out into battle and destroy them. Sansha does not have unlimited resources available to him any more than the Matari, the Gallente or even the Amarr do. This is a war, not just a battle. We are in this to TAKE Sansha Kuvakei DOWN! We are in a war of attritionGǪ we cannot at this time afford to invade SanshaGÇÖs home spaceGǪ so we must hurt them as much and as badly as possibleGǪ we draw the line HERE! And NO FURTHER!!! We will draw them out and draw them out and kill them for as long as it takes! We extend the battle because we can afford the few losses his forces inflict while destroying hundreds of his shipsGǪ and yes, thousands of his slaves. But they are lost already are then not? Death is, for them, a release from slaveryGǪ It is a hard, hard thing to doGǪ but Sansha Kuvakei leaves us no choice. As we cannot take the fight to him, we must hurt him as much as we can when the opportunity presents itself. :notsureifserious:
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TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
10
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Posted - 2012.01.20 18:06:00 -
[510] - Quote
GhostDragoon wrote: OH! BooHoo people make more money than me in hisec.. GET OVER IT. go learn to kill things properly, with fire & napalm and even tactical nukes. I find your lack of awesome appalling and your "Down with their reign" RP wannabe persona lacking. You sound more like a carebear than the actual carebears. I'm all for griefing and killing things with fire but you lot really make us look bad....
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Look, I just want to pop Sansha motherships and do it while fleeted with an interesting crowd. The mothership is a perfectly legitimate PVE war target.
GǪIf kiddies who feel entitled to a target they they do not have exclusive access to want to cry about it, it's not my problem.
Zag'mar Jurkar wrote:I don't see why incursion runners complain about them being disrupted... All I know and can see is Darius and others playing the Sandbox as intended, and so does the other side as well...
+1 +1 +1
Kudos to you allGǪ
TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |
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TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
10
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Posted - 2012.01.20 18:08:00 -
[511] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote: (Responding in Character)
:notsureifserious:
I was, as stated, responding in Character as Hoxothul had brought up the "citizens" being "captured" by Sansha's forces... turns out there is also actually sound military logic behind extending the battle as long as possible... go figure. =] TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
9
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Posted - 2012.01.20 18:33:00 -
[512] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:GhostDragoon wrote: OH! BooHoo people make more money than me in hisec.. GET OVER IT. go learn to kill things properly, with fire & napalm and even tactical nukes. I find your lack of awesome appalling and your "Down with their reign" RP wannabe persona lacking. You sound more like a carebear than the actual carebears. I'm all for griefing and killing things with fire but you lot really make us look bad....
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Look, I just want to pop Sansha motherships and do it while fleeted with an interesting crowd. The mothership is a perfectly legitimate PVE war target.
GǪIf kiddies who feel entitled to a target they they do not have exclusive access to want to cry about it, it's not my problem.
Zag'mar Jurkar wrote:I don't see why incursion runners complain about them being disrupted... All I know and can see is Darius and others playing the Sandbox as intended, and so does the other side as well... +1 +1 +1 Kudos to you allGǪ
You do realize that one of the posts you just quoted and +1'd was talking in favour of our actions? |

Maximille Biagge
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
5
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Posted - 2012.01.20 18:48:00 -
[513] - Quote
I approve the parts of this thread still understandable to any normal sober human being. |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
19
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Posted - 2012.01.20 19:34:00 -
[514] - Quote
Darius III wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:
Why would it be wise for me to take 150 mil in equipment into the middle of nullsec to get popped exactly? Derp.
No one suggests you need to take "150 mil in equipment" nor go to "the middle of nullsec" to "get popped". Derp indeed.
I could have sworn you guys we're arguing that nullsec risks should net you the most ISK in the game. Taking the 'risk averse' comment to mean that I was scared of going into nullsec. Seriousy Darius, shouldnt you have a cabinet of smarter people to explain this stuff to you before you open your mouth? |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
19
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Posted - 2012.01.20 19:43:00 -
[515] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
There's a lot to what you are writing.
Starting around the early 1990s, there was a movement in parenting that was all about letting your kids know how special and wonderful and smart they are, in spite of any evidence to the contrary.
We are now seeing the "fruits" of that labor, in game and out. A lot of people are so thinking they are so great at everything and living in a little bubble of their own perception when in fact, they suck as people and suck at what they do. I have to deal with these zombies every day. These are the people who tell you their name and expect you to jump for joy.
And these are the people with a dangerous sense of entitlement. I hope those that play this game learn to shed it before some RL situation comes up where their overblown sense of self could get them killed.
Thank you. I've been telling people that for years but generally I get looks of ghastly disbelief when I tell someone they need to spank their child and put them in the corner for a timeout. I've actually seen one of those self entitled brats mouth off to the wrong person and get his head blown off. It was quite horrific while at the same time frighteningly satisfying. (The fact that I found any joy in it made me a little sick to my stomach, not to mention the cleaning of his brain matter off my clothes.) I'd been wanting to beat the crap out of the little douschebag for months. Though, I certainly didnt want him dead, dead people dont learn. But when we get to the point where your sitting on a bus and the mother of a kid jumping back and forth between two seats wont do a damn thing about it but give you a dirty look when you tell the child to "Sit down and stop jumping around please." and said child (couldnt have been more then 10) turns and tells you "I dont have to do what you say *****" . . . .
Well, lets just say if that was my child, his ass would be lopsided for the rest of his life.
The fellow who killed said douschebag was taken into South Korean custody and never heard from again. The only remaining feeling I have for the event is regret. I regret that neither I nor my battle buddies beat some sense into the little smartass before someone took it to such an extreme level, however, I blame the parents. Maybe if they'd been just a little more active in parenting, he would have told a South Korean mobster that his mother was cheap and enjoyable last night. Regardless who's at fault, the situation was uneccessary and could have been avoided.
My last comment on parenting, save your children. Let them know how harsh and rough the world can be if your not careful before the wrong person does. In your house, you can control the level of punishment and the suffering inflicting as well as the lesson learned. In the real world, you have no control over who's going to do what to your beloved little spoiled brat. It can make the difference between him learning a lesson early on and having a sore ass for a day or two vs him learning that you dont **** off an outlaw with a loaded gun 1 second before his life comes to a screeching halt. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1136
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:04:00 -
[516] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote: interesting account with a happy ending
This is why we have such a great game here. Everybody expects to be the big hero who, just because they are heroic, can beat all odds, no matter what the odds - just like TV.
And then they play EvE and hit their first gate camp.....
Such things are what motivates me in this mom takedown project. Everybody (well, almost) thinks they are special and entitled. Nobody is entitled to jack squat in this world. Just because they wanted to let the mom lager in place and rack up ISK, they think that is to be automatically respected and then howl and complain when someone says "hey, let's see if we can kill that target".
This is great game that uses interweb spaceships and teaches reality of conflict and consequences at the same time. The ships are fake, the factors are real. Sometimes I wonder if, deep below CCP headquarters, there is a team of scientists studying the whole thing.
(and they could conclude that the "you're so special" movement is a complete failure at this point IF the existence of 20 y/o "men" who never had a drivers license, a job, and a date, is not failure enough).
We are the motherf**kers.
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
237
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:05:00 -
[517] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:I've actually seen one of those self entitled brats mouth off to the wrong person and get his head blown off. It was quite horrific while at the same time frighteningly satisfying.
Are you f'ing retarded? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
12
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:14:00 -
[518] - Quote
Hoxothul wrote:You do realize that one of the posts you just quoted and +1'd was talking in favor of our actions?
Yes... I do. To reiterate, I am not for or against Mothership killing by greiferbears to grief on incursionbears... griefing is a part of the tapestry that is EVE.
What I am against is grifers whining and crying over it and using any supporting argument other than, "I wanna GRIEF em to TEARS!! "... Trying to stop people from farming Incursions because they make too much ISK is silly and childish and frankly it is embarrassing.
If yer a griefer stand up for your ganking ways... Say it loud and say it proud! Krissada's stated plan is to shut down this ISK facet IN HISEC and force the Incursionbears to have no choice but to go to lo and null if they want to keep running themGǪ her unstated goal is to get fleets of blinged out multibillion ISK PvE fit ships into lo and null where she and her ilk can GRIEF them to tears without having to worry about CONCORDGǪ. And so she and her lo and nullbear buddies can make the kinda ISK they feel they are entitled to in the manner they like best... griefing.
I got nothing against grieferbears, pirates, gankers and all the various other bullies in EVEGǪ I got nothing against carebears, miners, mission runners, and all the other take-it-safe-n-easy types eitherGǪ we need both kinds. All I ask isGǪ be honest about it.
I seriously doubt Krissada cares one whit about balancing or fairnessGǪ she said it, she wants hisec FULL of TEARSGǪ thatGÇÖs what she wants, all the rest is smoke and mirrorsGǪ she is trying to justify griefingGǪ and in EVE, it needs no justification, its allowed and expected.
TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
21
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:20:00 -
[519] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:I've actually seen one of those self entitled brats mouth off to the wrong person and get his head blown off. It was quite horrific while at the same time frighteningly satisfying. Are you f'ing ret arded?
I'm not the one who ran his mouth off to an armed violent inclined gangster. So no, I'm not friggin ********. Are you?
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Sin Istersly wrote: interesting account with a happy ending
This is why we have such a great game here. Everybody expects to be the big hero who, just because they are heroic, can beat all odds, no matter what the odds - just like TV. And then they play EvE and hit their first gate camp..... Such things are what motivates me in this mom takedown project. Everybody (well, almost) thinks they are special and entitled. Nobody is entitled to jack squat in this world. Just because they wanted to let the mom lager in place and rack up ISK, they think that is to be automatically respected and then howl and complain when someone says "hey, let's see if we can kill that target". This is great game that uses interweb spaceships and teaches reality of conflict and consequences at the same time. The ships are fake, the factors are real. Sometimes I wonder if, deep below CCP headquarters, there is a team of scientists studying the whole thing. (and they could conclude that the "you're so special" movement is a complete failure at this point IF the existence of 20 y/o "men" who never had a drivers license, a job, and a date, is not failure enough). We are the motherf**kers.
+5 for point and intelligence. Yes, the 'your special' movement was such a carebear pos it made me sick when I saw it. "My kid can count to 10! Isnt he special?!"
You are special. You are unique. You are priceless. Just like the 6 billion other people on the planet. /sarcasm
I find it amusing however that a bunch of nullsec strategically "savvy" players are broadcasting their next move to the community. That'd be like North Korea informing whatever nation of their first nuclear strike. "Hey, we're going to attack you. Just so you know, later." Which brings that actual purpose of this thread into question. Ultimately, I think either their not going to do a damn thing, or their just hoping to scare people into killing the mothership themselves without any effort from the nullbears. Either way, it's a strategy that will likely not accomplish whatever it's intended. |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
13
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:23:00 -
[520] - Quote
Sin Istersly & Herzog WolfhammerGǪ Post #514 & 515... go back and look em up... its worth the effort.
Kudos! Beautiful manGǪ just effin beautiful. My daughter and I have talked about how punishments, whether a talking to or a spanking, help her learn that doing bad things is wrong and can hurt you... but I love her and I am teaching her.. not abusing.
She told me she knows there is a difference...
KrissdaGÇÖs gonna have a COW when she reads those 2 posts!! \o/ TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |
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Simi Kusoni
The Synergy Cascade Imminent
58
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:26:00 -
[521] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:Interesting story about how I beat kids Seriously, this thread has gone on long enough. Someone lock it. |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
21
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:35:00 -
[522] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Sin Istersly & Herzog WolfhammerGǪ Post #514 & 515... go back and look em up... its worth the effort.
Kudos! Beautiful manGǪ just effin beautiful. My daughter and I have talked about how punishments, whether a talking to or a spanking, help her learn that doing bad things is wrong and can hurt you... but I love her and I am teaching her.. not abusing.
She told me she knows there is a difference...
KrissdaGÇÖs gonna have a COW when she reads those 2 posts!! \o/
Lol, indeed. I'm glad to see their are people out there that still actively parent Tur, kudos to you as well.
On a side note: Personally I'm surprised anyone who's spent even a limited amount of time on youtube, and seen at least one or two of those spoiled brat videos would even make the attempt to argue against spankings.
Although, we should get back to topic before the admins do as Simi commands and locks this thread. I'm enjoying this tear fest far too much to see this thread die lol.
Also Simi, I never said I beat kids. (I DID say 'beat there ass' and 'beating' as terms, but your taking the literal sense, not the intended meaning, which I think I made fairly clear.) I said I spank them. Their is a HUGE difference between spanking and punishing your children, and your drunk father whooping your butt nightly because your the only thing he's capable of picking on. I do not condone beating. I condone reasonable punishment and karma. You can either let your kid do wtf ever he wants until someone bigger who doesnt like to be mouthed off teaches him for you, or you can teach them early on that being a dousche in life has painful, sometimes very painful consequences. Dont let your kids first life lesson also be his last. I love my kids, I dont want them to mouth off to some guy with a gun someday and get shot in the face. If I'm a bad guy in your eyes for that, so be it. Your opinion is noted.
In the end, I'm wouldnt be surprised if the world tears itself apart with all the whiney brats and babies slaughtering each other over who had that parking spot first, and who cut off who. Meanwhile, we sensible people will sit back, laugh, have a few drinks, maybe even smoke a bowl, and wonder how long it will take before we're rid of all these morons, and whether or not we'll have to step in to finish off the last of them. Cheers. |

Simi Kusoni
The Synergy Cascade Imminent
59
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:44:00 -
[523] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:Also Simi, I never said I beat kids. (I DID say 'beat there ass' and 'beating' as terms, but your taking the literal sense, not the intended meaning, which I think I made fairly clear.) I said I spank them. Their is a HUGE difference between spanking and punishing your children, and your drunk father whooping your butt nightly because your the only thing he's capable of picking on. I do not condone beating. I condone reasonable punishment and karma. You can either let your kid do wtf ever he wants until someone bigger who doesnt like to be mouthed off teaches him for you, or you can teach them early on that being a dousche in life has painful, sometimes very painful consequences. Dont let your kids first life lesson also be his last. I love my kids, I dont want them to mouth off to some guy with a gun someday and get shot in the face. If I'm a bad guy in your eyes for that, so be it. Your opinion is noted.
In the end, I'm wouldnt be surprised if the world tears itself apart with all the whiney brats and babies slaughtering each other over who had that parking spot first, and who cut off who. Meanwhile, we sensible people will sit back, laugh, have a few drinks, maybe even smoke a bowl, and wonder how long it will take before we're rid of all these morons, and whether or not we'll have to step in to finish off the last of them. Cheers. I know, I was joking 
Although to be honest I think those oddly delusional "I'm a special snowflake" children don't come about purely as a result of a lack of physical punishment. Just as common is neglect, or a failure to identify between good attention and bad attention. E.g. not paying attention to your child unless he is bad can lead to him always being bad, even if the way in you which you pay attention is by punishing him.
Anyway, putting aside the complexities of child psychology, there is a lot to be said in favor of punching some children in the face. |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
21
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:52:00 -
[524] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:I know, I was joking  Although to be honest I think those oddly delusional "I'm a special snowflake" children don't come about purely as a result of a lack of physical punishment. Just as common is neglect, or a failure to identify between good attention and bad attention. E.g. not paying attention to your child unless he is bad can lead to him always being bad, even if the way in you which you pay attention is by punishing him. Anyway, putting aside the complexities of child psychology, there is a lot to be said in favor of punching some children in the face.
Aside from the punching a kid in the face (I suggest spanking, doesnt leave marks for CPS) I fully approve this message. 
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RiskyFrisky
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:07:00 -
[525] - Quote
Another Mum down.
Armor Drake is still alive.
HAIL LORD XENU! |

Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
10
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:13:00 -
[526] - Quote
RiskyFrisky wrote:Another Mum down.
Armor Drake is still alive.
HAIL LORD XENU!
You didn't even get shot at once :( Was planning on not repping the armor drake! |

Mikal Red
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:13:00 -
[527] - Quote
Another one down... xD |

Lysaeus
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
3
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:20:00 -
[528] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote: I've actually seen one of those self entitled brats mouth off to the wrong person and get his head blown off. It was quite horrific while at the same time frighteningly satisfying.
So you find the deaths of others satisfying? |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1136
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:21:00 -
[529] - Quote
Good job. |

G0hme
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
6
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:36:00 -
[530] - Quote
COMBAT LOGISTICS! |
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Findail
Fatal Cure
0
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:36:00 -
[531] - Quote
Hoxothul wrote:[
Wow, somebody actually got it right!
We do not want Incursions removed, we do not want to permanently stop high sec carebears from playing the game either.
What we want is that highsec incursions gets balanced, in regards to both Risk vs Reward and raw ISK injection to the game.
Reduce the amount of raw ISK that are being given per side and boost the LP somewhat to make up for it. Furthermore, whenever the Mothership do spawn, rest of the sites should stop spawning, forcing the community to actually kill the Mothership and end the incursion, as it was intended from the beginning.
If you want raw isk balanced, then tech moons (at a minimum) need to be nerfed. Something along the lines of minerals depleting, or requiring exploration to find new sources. After all, t64 moon minerals are supposed to be rare. Maybe even having them turn up in gas clouds....
Then there's the wormhole problem. Arguably the biggest isk faucet in game right now. It needs balancing, but to what extent, and how to nerf it for better balance? |

Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
10
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:40:00 -
[532] - Quote
Findail wrote:
If you want raw isk balanced, then tech moons (at a minimum) need to be nerfed. Something along the lines of minerals depleting, or requiring exploration to find new sources. After all, t64 moon minerals are supposed to be rare. Maybe even having them turn up in gas clouds....
Then there's the wormhole problem. Arguably the biggest isk faucet in game right now. It needs balancing, but to what extent, and how to nerf it for better balance?
No, because moons do not spew out raw ISK, they throw out materials that people people have to buy.
Same goes for wormholes, it does not generate actual ISK, it generates materials that other people have to buy.
On top of that, wormhole sites are not infinite, you cannot farm sites endlessly in your wormhole. |

Findail
Fatal Cure
0
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:47:00 -
[533] - Quote
Hoxothul wrote:Findail wrote:
If you want raw isk balanced, then tech moons (at a minimum) need to be nerfed. Something along the lines of minerals depleting, or requiring exploration to find new sources. After all, t64 moon minerals are supposed to be rare. Maybe even having them turn up in gas clouds....
Then there's the wormhole problem. Arguably the biggest isk faucet in game right now. It needs balancing, but to what extent, and how to nerf it for better balance?
No, because moons do not spew out raw ISK, they throw out materials that people people have to buy. Same goes for wormholes, it does not generate actual ISK, it generates materials that other people have to buy. On top of that, wormhole sites are not infinite, you cannot farm sites endlessly in your wormhole.
Semantics.
Moons are worse than incursions - they require minimal player effort vs reward. The reward far outweighs the effort and risk. The minerals need to deplete, to force players to be more active in finding new sources.
How many billions per day out of wormholes is excessive? They too don't deplete. Maybe they need to be changed to increase both risk, and reliance on other regions for materials in order to survive. Maybe even add some t3 materials to exploration sites, which would encourage more people to do exploration, and bring a bit more balance to w-space. |

Lysaeus
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
3
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:48:00 -
[534] - Quote
Findail wrote:If you want raw isk balanced, then tech moons (at a minimum) need to be nerfed. Something along the lines of minerals depleting, or requiring exploration to find new sources. After all, t64 moon minerals are supposed to be rare. Maybe even having them turn up in gas clouds....
Then there's the wormhole problem. Arguably the biggest isk faucet in game right now. It needs balancing, but to what extent, and how to nerf it for better balance?
You fail to realize that none of the things you mentioned are actual isk injections to the market. These examples represent isk transfers whereas incursions represent a large scale isk injection into the economy. As for moon mining, want the prices to go down, stop buying tech 2. Want wormhole loot prices to go down, convince more people to move into wormhole space. Done. |

Andy Kusoni
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:51:00 -
[535] - Quote
Findail wrote: If you want raw isk balanced, then tech moons (at a minimum) need to be nerfed. Something along the lines of minerals depleting, or requiring exploration to find new sources. After all, t64 moon minerals are supposed to be rare. Maybe even having them turn up in gas clouds....
Then there's the wormhole problem. Arguably the biggest isk faucet in game right now. It needs balancing, but to what extent, and how to nerf it for better balance?
Moon minerals and wormhole loot aren't raw isk. They are used in producing modules and ships that are generally beneficial and fun to use for the entire eve playerbase.
Raw isk is PvE content that gives you a bounty payout, not an item payout. We dislike PvE that does not provide a service other than direct isk reward.
IMO, there shouldn't be very few bounties at all in this game. Income from PvE should be in the form of things that drop and can be sold (eg: salvage, modules, ammo, BPCs). |

Sedilis
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
6
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:17:00 -
[536] - Quote
We win you lose.
No incursions for you this weekend  |

Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
81
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:22:00 -
[537] - Quote
Starfleet is arguing in our channel because we apparently failed, because while we popped all the moms, we had to make a formup time to do it.
Yup. That's what the bears are reduced to.
"They had to plan in order to accomplish thier goals! Fail!" |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
73
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:25:00 -
[538] - Quote
Wtf? No incursions up in highsec. All incursion runners are screaming in their channels.
I love C&P  |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
54
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:28:00 -
[539] - Quote
Sedilis wrote:We win you lose. No incursions for you this weekend 
Another one is due in about 4-6 hours The other 2 will be back tom night
You guys are on the right track... The real trick is... Can you beat the goonswarm record :3 |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1136
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:30:00 -
[540] - Quote
While slowboating in AP to the Amarr system, I never saw such a flood of WTZing gate to gate faction ships.
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Hera Chawla
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:33:00 -
[541] - Quote
http://i53.tinypic.com/10qmclc.jpg
The Aftermath. |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
21
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:50:00 -
[542] - Quote
Lysaeus wrote:Sin Istersly wrote: I've actually seen one of those self entitled brats mouth off to the wrong person and get his head blown off. It was quite horrific while at the same time frighteningly satisfying. So you find the deaths of others satisfying?
Do find the meaning inbetween 'frighteningly' and the end of the sentence without reading the whole thing? Or do you just like to cut and paste others words to make them mean what you want? I said it was horrific, try reading it again, this time slowly, you might actually understand it this time. |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
848
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:57:00 -
[543] - Quote
I find the deaths of others satisfying |

Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
13
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:58:00 -
[544] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:Lysaeus wrote:Sin Istersly wrote: I've actually seen one of those self entitled brats mouth off to the wrong person and get his head blown off. It was quite horrific while at the same time frighteningly satisfying. So you find the deaths of others satisfying? Do find the meaning inbetween 'frighteningly' and the end of the sentence without reading the whole thing? Or do you just like to cut and paste others words to make them mean what you want? I said it was horrific, try reading it again, this time slowly, you might actually understand it this time.
So much back peddling! |

Findail
Fatal Cure
1
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:07:00 -
[545] - Quote
Andy Kusoni wrote:
Moon minerals and wormhole loot aren't raw isk. They are used in producing modules and ships that are generally beneficial and fun to use for the entire eve playerbase.
Raw isk is PvE content that gives you a bounty payout, not an item payout. We dislike PvE that does not provide a service other than direct isk reward.
IMO, there shouldn't be very few bounties at all in this game. Income from PvE should be in the form of things that drop and can be sold (eg: salvage, modules, ammo, BPCs).
So, things that would be beneficial changes:
1. Remove bounties (bit rough on new players though. Player base will most likely decline) 2. Moon mining depletes ore (mimics actual mining operations. Only moons are exempt from this basic rule) 3. w-space balancing - maybe have npc motherships randomly spawn and attack player owned pos's, forcing the players to either defend or lose all assets stored there. 4. Buff exploration sites with random chance of t3 items, or only spawn certain items in those sites
I'm sure there's a lot more that could be done, but whining because hisec players form up to run incursions is ludicrous. Especially when you look at the antics of some alliances in the past e.g. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=626 |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
21
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:11:00 -
[546] - Quote
Hoxothul wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:Lysaeus wrote:Sin Istersly wrote: I've actually seen one of those self entitled brats mouth off to the wrong person and get his head blown off. It was quite horrific while at the same time frighteningly satisfying. So you find the deaths of others satisfying? Do find the meaning inbetween 'frighteningly' and the end of the sentence without reading the whole thing? Or do you just like to cut and paste others words to make them mean what you want? I said it was horrific, try reading it again, this time slowly, you might actually understand it this time. So much back peddling!
Backpeddling would imply I took back something I said. I didnt change a damn thing. Do you guys even speak enligsh or is it a second language to you? Once again, try reading it over, more slowly, maybe even google the big words you dont understand. |

Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
13
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:13:00 -
[547] - Quote
Findail wrote:So, things that would be beneficial changes: 1. Remove bounties (bit rough on new players though. Player base will most likely decline) 2. Moon mining depletes ore (mimics actual mining operations. Only moons are exempt from this basic rule) 3. w-space balancing - maybe have npc motherships randomly spawn and attack player owned pos's, forcing the players to either defend or lose all assets stored there. 4. Buff exploration sites with random chance of t3 items, or only spawn certain items in those sites I'm sure there's a lot more that could be done, but whining because hisec players form up to run incursions is ludicrous. Especially when you look at the antics of some alliances in the past e.g. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=626
Wow, you are completely and utterly missing the point, impressive! |

Poloturion
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.21 00:54:00 -
[548] - Quote
Findail wrote:So, things that would be beneficial changes: 1. Remove bounties (bit rough on new players though. Player base will most likely decline) 2. Moon mining depletes ore (mimics actual mining operations. Only moons are exempt from this basic rule) 3. w-space balancing - maybe have npc motherships randomly spawn and attack player owned pos's, forcing the players to either defend or lose all assets stored there. 4. Buff exploration sites with random chance of t3 items, or only spawn certain items in those sites I'm sure there's a lot more that could be done, but whining because hisec players form up to run incursions is ludicrous. Especially when you look at the antics of some alliances in the past e.g. http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=626
The only item you mention even close to being related to what was said was the removal of bounties, which I agree is likely a bad idea and it seems fairly well balanced between the different areas of space.
The other changes you mentioned are not means of getting isk directly and unrelated to what is being discussed. Moon goo needs to be reacted into other things and moved somewhere to be worth anything (I think, never mined a moon before). Anything you get in wspace needs to be protected until you can safely build t3 components with it and/or can get it to known space to sell. You already can get special stuff in exploration sites like invention items.
Also, who is whining that people form up for incursions? That people form up and learn fleet tactics is great! That they get liquid isk directly as their primary payment is not. Mission runners have salvage and items as a large portion of their reward and miners have to build stuff with what they get and both play the market game to be paid. The recommendation for moving more of the payment from incursions to LP brings incursions in line with these other forms of PvE while providing a possible service to the rest of the community beyond being a source of tears.
Finally, I fail to see how your link is relevant. That discussed an issue with an exploit, whereas the issue here is a broken mechanic. |

Crazy Jakk
Crazy Jakk's Discount Logistics
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:29:00 -
[549] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:Hoxothul wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:Lysaeus wrote:Sin Istersly wrote: I've actually seen one of those self entitled brats mouth off to the wrong person and get his head blown off. It was quite horrific while at the same time frighteningly satisfying. So you find the deaths of others satisfying? Do find the meaning inbetween 'frighteningly' and the end of the sentence without reading the whole thing? Or do you just like to cut and paste others words to make them mean what you want? I said it was horrific, try reading it again, this time slowly, you might actually understand it this time. So much back peddling! Backpeddling would imply I took back something I said. I didnt change a damn thing. Do you guys even speak enligsh or is it a second language to you? Once again, try reading it over, more slowly, maybe even google the big words you dont understand.
My favorite bit was when he said "enligsh". You know Enligsh is meant to have a capital letter, right?
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Lysaeus
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
6
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:49:00 -
[550] - Quote
Yeah, I'm having enough fun with him saying he beats kids and enjoys when people die to bother myself with something so petty as a spelling mistake. I like to think I'm not that much of a pedant. |
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Findail
Fatal Cure
1
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:52:00 -
[551] - Quote
Poloturion wrote:
The only item you mention even close to being related to what was said was the removal of bounties, which I agree is likely a bad idea and it seems fairly well balanced between the different areas of space.
The other changes you mentioned are not means of getting isk directly and unrelated to what is being discussed. Moon goo needs to be reacted into other things and moved somewhere to be worth anything (I think, never mined a moon before). Anything you get in wspace needs to be protected until you can safely build t3 components with it and/or can get it to known space to sell. You already can get special stuff in exploration sites like invention items.
Also, who is whining that people form up for incursions? That people form up and learn fleet tactics is great! That they get liquid isk directly as their primary payment is not. Mission runners have salvage and items as a large portion of their reward and miners have to build stuff with what they get and both play the market game to be paid. The recommendation for moving more of the payment from incursions to LP brings incursions in line with these other forms of PvE while providing a possible service to the rest of the community beyond being a source of tears.
Finally, I fail to see how your link is relevant. That discussed an issue with an exploit, whereas the issue here is a broken mechanic.
The point is that you're whining about what you perceive as a "broken mechanic" when it doesn't appear to be, then you defend the unbalanced nature of moon mining or wormholes as being ok.
So it's very much a case of wanting stuff that doesn't directly affect you nerfed, while leaving your own income source alone, even though it could be balanced out a lot better than it currently is. Sounds like the hisec mission rewards whine all over again.
Pretty funny really, considering the t3 market has exploded because of incursion runners. They sure buy a LOT of t3 ships. So what you're really saying is that you want the income of wormhole corps drastically reduced.
While I'd agree that it's currently out of proportion to the risk, that move might be too drastic to allow them all to survive.
But if market injection of isk is REALLY what concerns you, what about faction items? They too are "created" items, that don't rely on market mechanics to produce. Same goes for faction blueprints. To switch to a purely player driven market would have quite an impact on the game. It would create new career options for invention, but the whining from 0.0 alliances wanting to faction fit cap ships would be huge. Though having to invent faction items would certainly place industrial characters on a much higher standing in alliances than they currently enjoy. |

Findail
Fatal Cure
1
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Posted - 2012.01.21 01:56:00 -
[552] - Quote
Crazy Jakk wrote: My favorite bit was when he said "enligsh". You know Enligsh is meant to have a capital letter, right?
I don't think "Enligsh" is even a word.
Guess it is now - you just invented it. Wish I could invent a word  |

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
238
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Posted - 2012.01.21 02:00:00 -
[553] - Quote
Ah, the USTZ bears are logging on now and the tears are flowing anew.  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |

Poloturion
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
5
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Posted - 2012.01.21 02:16:00 -
[554] - Quote
Findail wrote:The point is that you're whining about what you perceive as a "broken mechanic" when it doesn't appear to be, then you defend the unbalanced nature of moon mining or wormholes as being ok.
So it's very much a case of wanting stuff that doesn't directly affect you nerfed, while leaving your own income source alone, even though it could be balanced out a lot better than it currently is. Sounds like the hisec mission rewards whine all over again.
Pretty funny really, considering the t3 market has exploded because of incursion runners. They sure buy a LOT of t3 ships. So what you're really saying is that you want the income of wormhole corps drastically reduced.
While I'd agree that it's currently out of proportion to the risk, that move might be too drastic to allow them all to survive.
But if market injection of isk is REALLY what concerns you, what about faction items? They too are "created" items, that don't rely on market mechanics to produce. Same goes for faction blueprints. To switch to a purely player driven market would have quite an impact on the game. It would create new career options for invention, but the whining from 0.0 alliances wanting to faction fit cap ships would be huge. Though having to invent faction items would certainly place industrial characters on a much higher standing in alliances than they currently enjoy.
You say the mechanic isn't broken, then say things are out of balance compared to risk further on ... 
I don't think isk rewards should be removed entirely from incursions, just swung in the other directions so it is a secondary reward to something creating game-play like LP markets.
You don't get it do you? Faction item drops or BPCs are not isk injections. It still requires the movement of expensive items in potentially risky situations to markets where the player has to then sell the item. |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
21
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Posted - 2012.01.21 02:42:00 -
[555] - Quote
Crazy Jakk wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:Hoxothul wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:Lysaeus wrote:
So you find the deaths of others satisfying?
Do find the meaning inbetween 'frighteningly' and the end of the sentence without reading the whole thing? Or do you just like to cut and paste others words to make them mean what you want? I said it was horrific, try reading it again, this time slowly, you might actually understand it this time. So much back peddling! Backpeddling would imply I took back something I said. I didnt change a damn thing. Do you guys even speak enligsh or is it a second language to you? Once again, try reading it over, more slowly, maybe even google the big words you dont understand. My favorite bit was when he said "enligsh". You know Enligsh is meant to have a capital letter, right? I'm sorry I didn't spell check myself more closely, you've already made it apparent you cant understand a clearly made point with the proper words though, so I see no point in putting any effort into remaking my point. Besides, your going to read and think whatever you wish anyway.
"Oh my world just fell apart, the trolls on the forums have a low opinion of me. Excuse me while I go kill myself." /sarcasm +5
Lol morons. I made an accidental spelling error, granted. That however can be fixed. Your ignorance and stupidity however is a permanent condition. I certainly hope you didnt pay for your educations. If you did, you got ripped off.
I've stated twice I dont beat children, or condone it. I do however spank mine when they have it coming. It's the most definitive way I know of to keep them from growing up into people like you, assuming your grown up, which guessing from your comments, is quite unlikely. |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
603
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Posted - 2012.01.21 02:47:00 -
[556] - Quote
The BTL leadership decided that they didn't like people pointing out their utter failure to defend incursions and calls for new leadership and is issuing bans.
BTL needs to be replaced. Or it's leadership removed. And I hope these interdiction efforts continue until they are forced to. |

Llyona
SKEET ELITE Sk33t Fl33t
2
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Posted - 2012.01.21 03:45:00 -
[557] - Quote
I did some investigation earlier today and I have come to the conclusion that this is a poorly thought out campaign and I will explain why I think this.
Essentially the main gripe seems to be that High sec incursions should not be as lucrative as they are.
Some solutions suggested for CCP to apply to the current incursion system were:
- Have high sec isk payouts reduced
- Replace isk payouts with another form of compensation
- Moving incursions out of high sec entirely
Now, whether you agree with these solutions or not is immaterial, as they are already happening. Essentially the current campaign's goal of having CCP reduce or move incursions has already been accomplished by the actions of the participants themselves.
Shutting down high sec incursion sites once the mothership appears, effectively reduces the amount of isk that can be farmed from a constellation. This is especially true since a new incursion will not take place for up to 24 hours after it's predecessor closes, thus only allowing low/null sec incursions to continue operating.
This only validates the sentiment that the current incursion system is operating as designed and need not be repaired by CCP, since any group of players of sufficient size can effectively end an incursion once the mothership appears. |

Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
108
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Posted - 2012.01.21 03:45:00 -
[558] - Quote
drdxie wrote:Tian Nu wrote:OldMan Gana wrote:They should move incursions to npc null or at the very least- 0.2 system.
Those of us who live in NPC null run the odd angel mission here and there, have one eye on the mission and a bigger eye on local, and there's folks in hi sec running isk farming machines risk free from any hassle? Don't think so. this made me lol if you dont make huge isk in null quit now. There are incursion in lower sec areas.. no one runs them cause you wouldn't be able to trust your own fleet as you all in it for the easy KM..      and that's why you messing with the carebears cause finally they have a way to make easy isk like all the null corps... your just jealous... 
Some of us do run low/null incursions, and get payouts that the highseccers can only dream of . No trust issues when the entire fleet is alliancemates or blues.
nice to see NO ACTIVE HIGHSEC INCURSIONS  |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Ponies for the Ethical Treatment of Asteroids
857
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 04:33:00 -
[559] - Quote
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:drdxie wrote:Tian Nu wrote:OldMan Gana wrote:They should move incursions to npc null or at the very least- 0.2 system.
Those of us who live in NPC null run the odd angel mission here and there, have one eye on the mission and a bigger eye on local, and there's folks in hi sec running isk farming machines risk free from any hassle? Don't think so. this made me lol if you dont make huge isk in null quit now. There are incursion in lower sec areas.. no one runs them cause you wouldn't be able to trust your own fleet as you all in it for the easy KM..      and that's why you messing with the carebears cause finally they have a way to make easy isk like all the null corps... your just jealous...  Some of us do run low/null incursions, and get payouts that the highseccers can only dream of  . No trust issues when the entire fleet is alliancemates or blues. nice to see NO ACTIVE HIGHSEC INCURSIONS 
The bears decided to head out to a 0.0 incursion while we were in the process of shutting them down... apparently they all died horribly  |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
54
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Posted - 2012.01.21 05:44:00 -
[560] - Quote
I got a Q train going...
Aoki Katsumoto > [05:39:29] Ortan Murdak > Keith Planck > KingCepheus > Katen Love > Keith Planck > Jeune > Keith Planck > Me of Course > [05:35:37] Keith Planck > fridayx13th > Keith Planck > Jubis Moonjuice > [05:34:42] Keith Planck...
"so i gues the brick squad was serious" <-- original
Curse you CCP and your character limits!!! You still havn't convinced the incursion leaders though, they've seen this kind of **** go on for several months xD
http://mlfw.info/f/192/ still waiting for that secret plan darius |
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Daisai
Taurus Quantum Technologies Taurus Quantum Dynamics
9
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Posted - 2012.01.21 08:46:00 -
[561] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Before words ---- Yes, it's this thread again. No, it's not just empty words. This was posted many days ago, but I decided to take it down to have some chats with a few selected people before finalizing everything. _____________________ We have come to the conclusion that even though blackbird suicide ganking is a profitable and very fun activity it only limits the Incursion Bear activities by some degree. If we are to end their reign once and for all which has lasted for almost a year it is time we do it now. We would like to announce the creation of a wonderful and most generous channel named: "Grief the Bears" with the sole purpose of taking down all motherships in highsec as soon as they appear and end the incursion just like CCP intended.... We shall put an end to this inhuman farming and abuse of game mechanics. We have to put a gag to this ISK faucet and shake up those bears. If they wanna do incursions they can go to lowsec or nullsec.  What do we require and why do we need you?
- 30-40 bodies to effectively fight off the site and finish it.
- Armor buffer fit battleships and a handful subbattleships.
- T2 logistic ships.
- Empty tear jars.
So join us at the channel ----> Grief the Bears and let us finally put an end to all this. Once all the highsec incursions are down they will not respawn for another 24+ hours. When that one will spawn it will only take the bears 4-5 hours to make the mothership appear and then we shall sweep in yet again and finish it. Can you imagine highsec where the bears only get to incursion 15-20 hours for a whole week? I can and it is filled with tears.... PS: Beware that extracting a sufficient amount of tears will result in merc wardecs hired by rich bears. I see this as a side bonus! _______________ Above is the simple plan. We cannot keep on waiting and whining to CCP. We are taking matters into our own hands with or without you. If you want to join, feel free to. If you rather not that is fine too. But if you want to whine and complain because we are stopping the ISK faucet then make sure you are crying into one of our jars. Fly much reckless 
Gl trying to get people to fly with someone like you. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
145
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Posted - 2012.01.21 11:05:00 -
[562] - Quote
Findail wrote: But if market injection of isk is REALLY what concerns you, what about faction items? They too are "created" items, that don't rely on market mechanics to produce. Same goes for faction blueprints. To switch to a purely player driven market would have quite an impact on the game. It would create new career options for invention, but the whining from 0.0 alliances wanting to faction fit cap ships would be huge. Though having to invent faction items would certainly place industrial characters on a much higher standing in alliances than they currently enjoy.
For what I recall there were three and only three ISK faucets left:
1) Bounties (missioning + ratting + exploration) 2) NPC buy orders for commodities 3) Insurance
As of now it is more like:
1) Bounties (incursions + missioning + ratting + exploration + anoms) 2) Very few NPC buy orders left 3) Insurance has been nerfed
In the future CCP seems to replace drones mineral drops with more ISK, further augmenting 1)
Everything else, EVERYTHING is an ISK sink. This includes
- faction modules (LP + ISK get sunk), - PI (zero ISK created, fees visibly sink ISK) - mining (zero ISK created, fees at refining (if not optimal) + fees when selling sink ISK) - moon mining (zero ISK created, fees for upkeeping sov or to pay charters => ISK sink) - trading (zero ISK created, fees at every transaction sink ISK)
Therefore even the "big money makers" like trading and moon mining don't ruin the EvE economy, because (huge) amounts of ISK only switch hands, they don't get created out of thin air.
Considering how:
- missioning has been nerfed like 3 times in the last years - ratting income is an o(missioning) and the possible faction / officer drops are not an ISK faucet, - exploration is mostly blitzed (little ISK faucet) - anomalies have been nerfed to the point that CCP reconsidered the nerf.
What's left out that could be hit by a nerf? You guessed it, incursions.
Since CCP has the statistics about hi / low and null sec game features in the form of ISK:EHP they may decide which of them to nerf and how.
The first change that comes to mind is indeed to slow them down and force the end boss to be killed. |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
24
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Posted - 2012.01.21 11:09:00 -
[563] - Quote
Theodoric Darkwind wrote:
I find it interesting then that the lowsec nullsec crybabies are complaining. If lowsec and nullsec pays even better as you say, then what are you guys whining about? Highsec incursions would seem to pay the least, and the low/nullsec crybabies are capable of using the same option as the highsec incursioneers do and farm isk from their local incursion. Infact, it's even less risky when the incursion is deep inside your own territorially owned null space. Null already has the potential for extreme amounts of isk, and it sounds like from what you said that you make even more from incursions in low/null sec then the highseccers do.
Thank you for throwing your own "It's the risk vs reward" arguement out the window and exposing yourselves for the self righteous stuck up douschebags you really are.
Clearly, and I hope the people who hadnt realized it by now can see it, you null/low sec crybabies are just bitching that theirs a new way for capsuleers to make isk without putting them in your territory to gank. If it wasnt transparent enough already (which it was) this idiot has just confirmed it. Besides, anyone with half a brain can sit in game and watch how long it takes for the low/null sec incursions to be closed out in the journal. I for one have noticed that while some of the highsec incursions are now gone, the same low/nullsec incursions that we're their a month ago are still ongoing.
At the least your a bunch of tear jerking hipocrits, if not a bunch of spoiled, power tripping golden spooned candy ass tantrum throwing wah-bulances. |

Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
17
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Posted - 2012.01.21 11:53:00 -
[564] - Quote
Holy crap Sin Istersly, you must be freaking brain damaged, I mean seriously, did you take a blow to your head as a child?
We are not nullsec players, we are highsec and wormhole dwellers. |

Mikal Red
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.21 11:58:00 -
[565] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:I bet you dont keep an eye on local while your running incursions What's this local you speak of?
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
19
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Posted - 2012.01.21 12:18:00 -
[566] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:Thank you for throwing your own "It's the risk vs reward" arguement out the window and exposing yourselves for the self righteous stuck up douschebags you really are. Not in the slightest, while it is true that low sec and null sec incursions do offer higher rewards they also come with much more risk. Hi sec incursions on the other hand carry next to no risk, and still have a huge reward.
So I put it to you that it is in fact you who is the self righteous D-bag, also, L2Math. Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |

JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
31
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Posted - 2012.01.21 12:22:00 -
[567] - Quote
From what I understand, the issue of site farming bears less impact in lowsec and particularly 0.0.
In lowsec, "farming" the incursion sites before killing the mothership is generally inadvisable due to the supposed 'risk' of interference from pirates or other nasty people over an extended period of time; you want to get in and out of filthy pirate space and back to farming hisec sites with as few PVP related losses as possible. This may or may not change depending on how desperate people become during this so called 'blockade'.
In 0.0, you have a different issue. Let's for argument's sake consider 0.0 space as risk-free as empire - for the denizens that live in a blue territory; the problem isn't about how long you can farm the incursion in this instance, but how often you get a new incursion inside your territory (blue space). Incursions don't stay in the same constelations and there can only be so many at once; this puts a territory imposed limit on how many hours or sites an organisation can complete over any extended period of time. The payout might be a bit higher, but you can't run these things 23/7.
Meanwhile, in hisec, incursioneers are (or should I say 'were') enjoying the ability to farm incursions constantly with no risk for interuption beyond potential traitors in the fleet. BIG difference in long term payout.
Hourly income in incursions should not be affected, rather it should be the length at which such farming can be sustained that needs reconsidering. Whether or not lowsec or 0.0 incursions need a nerf though, is a different topic (this one is about hisec only).
I don't know why but the hisec incursion organisations remind me so much of the 'end-game' players in SWTOR.
To this extent, props to the guys and gals participating in the blockade, you're what EVE is all about 
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Lord Vega
TAU CETI CENTER
1
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 12:30:00 -
[568] - Quote
Blocking highsec incursions and thinking all the carebears will move out and do lowsec incursions are NOT gonna happen. If you are thinking it will procure more pvp for the station huggers in low you are sorely mistaken.
The bears will stay in empire or quit the game as they always had, reducing the eve playerbase..
What are you excactly gaining from blocking the highsec incursions? other than wrecking the game.. i mean, is there a personal gain to this that is actually within the reach of viable?
in a couple of months when its all shut down or youll be tired to run a blockade, then what have you gained? |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
78
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 12:34:00 -
[569] - Quote
Lord Vega wrote:Blocking highsec incursions and thinking all the carebears will move out and do lowsec incursions are NOT gonna happen. If you are thinking it will procure more pvp for the station huggers in low you are sorely mistaken.
The bears will stay in empire or quit the game as they always had, reducing the eve playerbase..
What are you excactly gaining from blocking the highsec incursions? other than wrecking the game.. i mean, is there a personal gain to this that is actually within the reach of viable?
in a couple of months when its all shut down or youll be tired to run a blockade, then what have you gained?
Implying no actual PvPers have gone to highsec to do incursions. Who cares about the carebears anyway they can't fight for ****.  |

Lord Vega
TAU CETI CENTER
1
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 12:36:00 -
[570] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Lord Vega wrote:Blocking highsec incursions and thinking all the carebears will move out and do lowsec incursions are NOT gonna happen. If you are thinking it will procure more pvp for the station huggers in low you are sorely mistaken.
The bears will stay in empire or quit the game as they always had, reducing the eve playerbase..
What are you excactly gaining from blocking the highsec incursions? other than wrecking the game.. i mean, is there a personal gain to this that is actually within the reach of viable?
in a couple of months when its all shut down or youll be tired to run a blockade, then what have you gained? Implying no actual PvPers have gone to highsec to do incursions. Who cares about the carebears anyway they can't fight for ****. 
Can i take that answer as "nothing" ? |
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
19
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 12:36:00 -
[571] - Quote
Lord Vega wrote:in a couple of months when its all shut down or youll be tired to run a blockade, then what have you gained? We would have gained lulz Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
79
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 12:39:00 -
[572] - Quote
Lord Vega wrote:Krissada wrote:Lord Vega wrote:Blocking highsec incursions and thinking all the carebears will move out and do lowsec incursions are NOT gonna happen. If you are thinking it will procure more pvp for the station huggers in low you are sorely mistaken.
The bears will stay in empire or quit the game as they always had, reducing the eve playerbase..
What are you excactly gaining from blocking the highsec incursions? other than wrecking the game.. i mean, is there a personal gain to this that is actually within the reach of viable?
in a couple of months when its all shut down or youll be tired to run a blockade, then what have you gained? Implying no actual PvPers have gone to highsec to do incursions. Who cares about the carebears anyway they can't fight for ****.  Can i take that answer as "nothing" ?
For your level of reading comprehension? Yes, that probably means nothing. |

Lord Vega
TAU CETI CENTER
1
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 12:40:00 -
[573] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Lord Vega wrote:Krissada wrote:Lord Vega wrote:Blocking highsec incursions and thinking all the carebears will move out and do lowsec incursions are NOT gonna happen. If you are thinking it will procure more pvp for the station huggers in low you are sorely mistaken.
The bears will stay in empire or quit the game as they always had, reducing the eve playerbase..
What are you excactly gaining from blocking the highsec incursions? other than wrecking the game.. i mean, is there a personal gain to this that is actually within the reach of viable?
in a couple of months when its all shut down or youll be tired to run a blockade, then what have you gained? Implying no actual PvPers have gone to highsec to do incursions. Who cares about the carebears anyway they can't fight for ****.  Can i take that answer as "nothing" ? For your level of reading comprehension? Yes, that probably means nothing.
I got a good level of comprehension, i just didnt want to read 30 pages and make a qualified conclusion like the rest..
im just asking the topic starter a simple question he can not answer publically apparently.
fyi: pvp'ers that have gone to highsec for incursions are carebears, just to clarify your comprehension. |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
79
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 12:45:00 -
[574] - Quote
Lord Vega wrote: I got a good level of comprehension, i just didnt want to read 30 pages and make a qualified conclusion like the rest..
im just asking the topic starter a simple question he can not answer publically apparently.
Oh dear. Since I am in a good mood lately I will cut it out for you. Yes, we are achieving our goals, but we are no where done yet.
Those pilots who once went to lowsec, nullsec or w-space but came to highsec to do incursions are going back because there are no incursions. I spot with my eye many of these in the incursion channels 
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Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
264
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Posted - 2012.01.21 12:47:00 -
[575] - Quote
I fully endorse this product and/or service. Good on you all, keep those incursiosn short and sweet lads. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |

JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
31
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 12:55:00 -
[576] - Quote
Since when does anyone need a reason to do whatever they want in EVE? It's all about perspective.
I think this isn't as much about "we want carebears to move to 0.0, derp" as it is "FFS CCP, 600 billion ISK a week from hisec incursion faucets, with no risk?! UNACCEPTABLE! :froth:". Even then it's more likely just to be "for the luls, we want tears".
I'd love to actually get some numbers on how much ISK is being injected into the economy from lowsec and 0.0 incursions though.
Emergent gameplay, where's the problem? |

Lord Vega
TAU CETI CENTER
1
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 13:05:00 -
[577] - Quote
It still seems most of the goals from this are directly whine, the few answers i got point more to the removal of highsec incursions because the low and nullsec people are butthurt over carebears are making isk.
It was the same with missions, anoms ect. ect.
Your answer did not satisfy my question as its just a goal and not what you will have gained from this goal. If its more presence in low/null, why not say that.. im still saying that its not gonna happen for the bears, which you directing this whole thing against in your first post.
Can i conclude your only gain are low to some movement of previous pvp'ers to null and low and some lulz then?
else feel free to fill up some more arguments as this is such a good beneficial idea for the eve community as you so proclaim.
edit: seeing as good reasons are not excactly raining from the skies, ill give this project about 2 weeks before it dies out due to no direct gain or goal... Seeing a somewhat recruitment for it already tells me you have a problem getting people for your fleets. |

Mikal Red
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
5
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 13:34:00 -
[578] - Quote
Lord Vega wrote:edit: seeing as good reasons are not excactly raining from the skies Good reason - it's fun to see the self entitled brat's in BTL Pub et al. cry and whine over the fact that their no-risk ISK printing method is now not viable for the foreseeable duration.
Cause and effect.
Lord Vega wrote:Seeing a somewhat recruitment for it already tells me you have a problem getting people for your fleets. Ahahaha, you are just pulling crap out of thin air now. There have been no problems getting people from the main runners of this in the fleets. |

Lord Vega
TAU CETI CENTER
1
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 13:40:00 -
[579] - Quote
Mikal Red wrote:Lord Vega wrote:edit: seeing as good reasons are not excactly raining from the skies Good reason - it's fun to see the self entitled brat's in BTL Pub et al. cry and whine over the fact that their no-risk ISK printing method is now not viable for the foreseeable duration. Cause and effect.
Stop assuming things that are incorrect and start posting on it, else feel free to quote me on that.
Only strengthenen my theory on your lack of gain from this, seeing as your only argument are still whine over risk vs reward. Im only trying to determine how useless this project is, so i can plan when my alt can run highsec incursions again. If the arguments are as poor as yours, that wont take long luckily. |

Mikal Red
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
5
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 13:48:00 -
[580] - Quote
Lord Vega wrote:Only strengthenen my theory on your lack of gain from this You really are dense aren't you? For me, as a person, the gain is the fun I get from playing EvE as intended inside the Sandbox.
There doesn't have to be any other gain, the game is here to be fun and that it's being. For me at least.
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fetter FurzFetisch
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 13:50:00 -
[581] - Quote
looooooooooooooooooooooooooool, the mastecarebear wants all mom sites for himself. best try of a communityscam i saw for a long time....... whoever takes part on these fleets is ******** as hell. when will ppl stop whining about stuff around instead of fixing their own matters? |

Miranda Etxebarria
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 13:52:00 -
[582] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:If I came along and popped your PVP ship before you could pop someone else, that's griefing even. I'm disrupting your plans.
No, that's called PvP. Happens all the time. You need to get out more.
Quote:The term griefing, within eve however, is mostly only applied to people who's PRIMARY intention is to disrupt someone elses planned actions. Your causing grief by changing those plans. It's a fairly simple concept, I dont see how your missing it.
Disrupting someone else's planned actions is called "playing the game". I'm a trader, when I buy stuff, my planned action may be to sell it at a 50% mark-up, under the assumption that all other traders in that market have something to gain by not slashing the prices. Nevertheless, it happens all the time (I do it myself if I feel I can gain something in the long run). Again, PvP.
I'm still pretty new to this game, but it is glaringly clear that you are not entitled to any kind of income or activity. You can-mine, someone can steal your stuff. You trade, someone can manipulate the markets or just annihilate your profit margin. You haul, someone can blow up your ship and steal your cargo. You want to PvP, someone can play endless station games. You want to wardec someone, they can hide behind a decshield. You want to farm incursions, someone can kill the mothership as soon as it appears. All working as intended.
PS: ppl who claim to need incursion ISK to PvP are dumb. And mostly lying. |

Lord Vega
TAU CETI CENTER
1
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 14:00:00 -
[583] - Quote
Mikal Red wrote:Lord Vega wrote:Only strengthenen my theory on your lack of gain from this You really are dense aren't you?  For me, as a person, the gain is the fun I get from playing EvE as intended inside the Sandbox. There doesn't have to be any other gain, the game is here to be fun and that it's being. For me at least.
That sounds great, that means my alt can return doing highsec incursions in about 2 weeks when your large griefing fleet required for this have lost its members to direct boredom, due to no gain but the lulz and apparently some returning players to low/null, which arent even meassureable and thus inconclusive. Unless a fruitful argument drops in.
until then i got some sec status to burn on suicides and other ganks, while this gets boring. |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
79
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 14:02:00 -
[584] - Quote
*cries while holding her golden award*
First I would like to thank these wonderful people from Kill it with fire, Bricks, Skunks and of course those hardworking people from C&P that showed up in our channel to fight alongside with us. *wipes tear away*
This could not have been done without you *sops* and by all means this is definitely not the end of it. We shall continue our crusade and hammer some sense into CCP's game and the head of these mindless incursion runners.
If an incursion spawns today then feel free to join in with us on either
a. Taking it down. b. Causing an immense amount of grief with suicide fleets.
To all those who had no faith in our ability. Well have you seen what we have accomplished so far? Threadnoughts everywhere, drama and tears everywhere and last but not least no incursion anywhere in highsec!  |

Lord Vega
TAU CETI CENTER
1
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 14:02:00 -
[585] - Quote
Miranda Etxebarria wrote:
PS: ppl who claim to need incursion ISK to PvP are dumb. And mostly lying.
What would the opposite argument be? ppl who claim highsec incursions are ruining pvp are dumb and mostly lying :) |

Lord Vega
TAU CETI CENTER
1
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 14:05:00 -
[586] - Quote
Krissada wrote: To all those who had no faith in our ability. Well have you seen what we have accomplished so far? Threadnoughts everywhere, drama and tears everywhere and last but not least no incursion anywhere in highsec! 
Your accomplishments amuses me, seeing you cant argument for why you are doing this :D
fyi: threadnaughts and drama made by you. |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
79
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 14:21:00 -
[587] - Quote
Lord Vega wrote:
fyi: threadnaughts and drama made by you.
You make me blush, sir! No comments I don't talk with faceless people. |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
79
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 14:21:00 -
[588] - Quote
Lord Vega wrote:
fyi: threadnaughts and drama made by you.
You make me blush, sir! No comments I don't talk with faceless people. (creeps me out) |

Lord Vega
TAU CETI CENTER
1
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 14:26:00 -
[589] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Lord Vega wrote:
fyi: threadnaughts and drama made by you.
You make me blush, sir! No comments I don't talk with faceless people. (creeps me out)
In technical sense that is the same result as not being able to comment. |

Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
19
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 14:30:00 -
[590] - Quote
Lord Vega wrote:Your accomplishments amuses me, seeing you cant argument for why you are doing this :D
fyi: threadnaughts and drama made by you. Well not sure about you, but I cant argument about anything, and read the first post, the reasons are spelled out there.
(for the sake of the lazy/stupid) - hi-sec incursions create a huge reward with almost no risk, any comparable levels of income have a much higher amount of risk attached to them. In addition, the isk from incursions comes from thin air(space?) most other ways to earn isk transfer it from player to player. This is compounded by the fact that the mechanics involving the mothership and despawning incursions are broken, allowing the most profitable sites to be farmed for isk 23/7.
This is bad and it should stop, but CCP are waiting for the summer expantion to do anything about them (and even then, probably not enough). Therefore it falls upon the denizens of C&P to be a stopgap measure, the tears are just a bonus.
either that or simply just for lulz.  Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
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Lord Vega
TAU CETI CENTER
1
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 14:39:00 -
[591] - Quote
I still see no reason why you are butthurt over people in highsec makes less ISK than you.. what are you stopping besides the carebear income?
If mechanics are the problem you should also be closing ALL low and nullsec incursions as they also procure ISK out of thin air.
i can still only conclude you people are just butthurt, as the primary reason in this thread is "risk vs reward" and lulz. This entire thread is a big whine thread over broken mechanics, yet you seem to live on the carebear tears.
edit: also there is 7 returning players in my current corp now that came back from years of inactivity to try out incursions, 2 of them have already unsubbed... some gain. |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
24
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 14:54:00 -
[592] - Quote
Hoxothul wrote:Holy crap Sin Istersly, you must be freaking brain damaged, I mean seriously, did you take a blow to your head as a child?
We are not nullsec players, we are highsec and wormhole dwellers.
I'm the one braindamaged when your the one who thinks that me referring specifically to the lowsec/nullsec players somehow included you?
Let me be more clear so you can understand, I wasnt directing those comments at you. |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
24
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 14:55:00 -
[593] - Quote
Miranda Etxebarria wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:If I came along and popped your PVP ship before you could pop someone else, that's griefing even. I'm disrupting your plans. No, that's called PvP. Happens all the time. You need to get out more. Quote:The term griefing, within eve however, is mostly only applied to people who's PRIMARY intention is to disrupt someone elses planned actions. Your causing grief by changing those plans. It's a fairly simple concept, I dont see how your missing it. Disrupting someone else's planned actions is called "playing the game". I'm a trader, when I buy stuff, my planned action may be to sell it at a 50% mark-up, under the assumption that all other traders in that market have something to gain by not slashing the prices. Nevertheless, it happens all the time (I do it myself if I feel I can gain something in the long run). Again, PvP. I'm still pretty new to this game, but it is glaringly clear that you are not entitled to any kind of income or activity. You can-mine, someone can steal your stuff. You trade, someone can manipulate the markets or just annihilate your profit margin. You haul, someone can blow up your ship and steal your cargo. You want to PvP, someone can play endless station games. You want to wardec someone, they can hide behind a decshield. You want to farm incursions, someone can kill the mothership as soon as it appears. All working as intended. PS: ppl who claim to need incursion ISK to PvP are dumb. And mostly lying.
At what point in did I say it wasnt playing the game or that I'm against that? I didnt. |

Zackgar
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
13
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 16:36:00 -
[594] - Quote
Lol, now weve broken all your ISK printing machines in highsec, were going to our wormhome to play with our own  |

Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
287
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Posted - 2012.01.21 17:09:00 -
[595] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:wordswordswords
That was an awful lot of typing you did there to basically say "blah blah grief blah blah my ~opinion~ blah blah STOP BEING NASTY TO EACH OTHER ON THE INTERNET IT HURTS MY FEELINGS ABLOO ABLOO"
Also your name is p. gay, just saying |

Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
292
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 17:11:00 -
[596] - Quote
I support killing Moms!
Wait...that didn't sound right... If you bring down a giant, you're a hero. If you kill something weak-even if it has to die-then you will endure contempt. |

Llyona
SKEET ELITE Sk33t Fl33t
4
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 17:24:00 -
[597] - Quote
Zackgar wrote:Lol, now weve broken all your ISK printing machines in highsec, were going to our wormhome to play with our own 
You are quite misinformed on what an isk faucet is. |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
79
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 17:27:00 -
[598] - Quote
Llyona wrote:Zackgar wrote:Lol, now weve broken all your ISK printing machines in highsec, were going to our wormhome to play with our own  You are quite misinformed on what an isk faucet is.
He didn't say faucet. He said ISK printing machine, it's a relative term.  |

Tiye Q
State War Academy Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 17:44:00 -
[599] - Quote
Grey Azorria wrote:Lord Vega wrote:Your accomplishments amuses me, seeing you cant argument for why you are doing this :D
fyi: threadnaughts and drama made by you. Well not sure about you, but I cant argument about anything, and read the first post, the reasons are spelled out there. (for the sake of the lazy/stupid) - hi-sec incursions create a huge reward with almost no risk, any comparable levels of income have a much higher amount of risk attached to them. In addition, the isk from incursions comes from thin air(space?) most other ways to earn isk transfer it from player to player. This is compounded by the fact that the mechanics involving the mothership and despawning incursions are broken, allowing the most profitable sites to be farmed for isk 23/7. This is bad and it should stop, but CCP are waiting for the summer expantion to do anything about them (and even then, probably not enough). Therefore it falls upon the denizens of C&P to be a stopgap measure, the tears are just a bonus. either that or simply just for lulz. 
Not true. Try running an incursion (anywhere, hi/lo/null) with no logi. Almost no risk is soloing a level 4 with a local tank. Vanguard sites require 2-3 logi pilots. No logi means you have a 100% chance of losing your ships. There is plenty of risk there, and this is not to mention that most people will be meeting their logi pilots for the first time in a pickup fleet. Another risk.
I have seen grand displays of cognitive dissonance displayed by those who have nothing but hate in their heart for incursions and incursion runners.
Those who are currently griefing, etc... do not have the mental fortitude or dexterity to keep their efforts up. Generally if you hold up something else that is shiny, it will get their attention. This happened previously with lvl 4 missions, wh's, and ice.... |

Zackgar
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
13
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 17:51:00 -
[600] - Quote
Llyona wrote:Zackgar wrote:Lol, now weve broken all your ISK printing machines in highsec, were going to our wormhome to play with our own  You are quite misinformed on what an isk faucet is.
Sleeper blue loot, sold to npc buy orders, injects raw ISK into the game. So despite not saying that, it is also true. YFW you realise that not only are you misinformed as to how wormholes work, your also misinformed as to how reading works as well.
Also you are mad... I like that... |
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Lysaeus
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
9
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Posted - 2012.01.21 17:54:00 -
[601] - Quote
Tiye Q wrote:Not true. Try running an incursion (anywhere, hi/lo/null) with no logi. Almost no risk is soloing a level 4 with a local tank. Vanguard sites require 2-3 logi pilots. No logi means you have a 100% chance of losing your ships. There is plenty of risk there, and this is not to mention that most people will be meeting their logi pilots for the first time in a pickup fleet. Another risk.
Yeah, picking up bad logi or joining a griefer fleet is a risk because you aren't careful and fly with people you trust is a risk. But it's a risk exactly the same way getting hit by a terrible driver the second you step out your front door is a risk. Drunk/bad/griefer logi/fc does not count. Try again. |

Mikal Red
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
7
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Posted - 2012.01.21 17:55:00 -
[602] - Quote
Tiye Q wrote: Not true. Try running an incursion (anywhere, hi/lo/null) with no logi.
The flaw in that argument is this is a MMO. i.e. you play with others. |

Tiye Q
State War Academy Caldari State
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 18:11:00 -
[603] - Quote
Lysaeus wrote:Yeah, picking up bad logi or joining a griefer fleet is a risk because you aren't careful and fly with people you trust. But it's a risk exactly the same way getting hit by a terrible driver the second you step out your front door is a risk. Drunk/bad/griefer logi/fc does not count. Try again.
you clearly missed the point (risk) of actually having to have a logi....but I digress
Hi-Sec Incursions are not a zero risk venture.
Hi-Sec Incursions are not breaking the EVE economy.
Incursion griefers/haters are exhibiting a mass hysteria/mob mentality right now.
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Im Nutz
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 18:12:00 -
[604] - Quote
Wow, just wow....
First of all, alt post, don't care.
I'll start with addressing the mom-killers: Way to go, you nailed three incursions in less then 24 hours. Not a bad run in and of itself. Something to be aware of, not all 'Incursionbears' are going to go back to other areas. Some of us were forcibly evicted from our nice little printing presses in W-Space. Matter of fact, Kill it with Fire was nearly responsible for causing me to leave game on a permanent basis with one of their tower raids in the recent past. 5 billion lost in 15 minutes can do that to someone.
On to the Incursion runners: Time to stand up and do something about this. How you do it, really doesn't matter much to me. I stand to make tons off the coming conflict. Please, just do something about the insults they have thrown your way. |

Tiye Q
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 18:18:00 -
[605] - Quote
Mikal Red wrote:Tiye Q wrote: Not true. Try running an incursion (anywhere, hi/lo/null) with no logi.
The flaw in that argument is this is a MMO. i.e. you play with others.
I'm going to give you the opportunity to expand on that logic, since every MMO has PvE and PvP content. Incursions are clearly a PVE addon, that encourages multiple players to band together in a PvE experience. No logi ships in an incursion spells instant death for the dps ships. Meaning that there is risk. |

Dino Boff
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
1
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Posted - 2012.01.21 18:38:00 -
[606] - Quote
Im Nutz wrote:Wow, just wow....
First of all, alt post, don't care.
I'll start with addressing the mom-killers: Way to go, you nailed three incursions in less then 24 hours. Not a bad run in and of itself. Something to be aware of, not all 'Incursionbears' are going to go back to other areas. Some of us were forcibly evicted from our nice little printing presses in W-Space. Matter of fact, Kill it with Fire was nearly responsible for causing me to leave game on a permanent basis with one of their tower raids in the recent past. 5 billion lost in 15 minutes can do that to someone.
On to the Incursion runners: Time to stand up and do something about this. How you do it, really doesn't matter much to me. I stand to make tons off the coming conflict. Please, just do something about the insults they have thrown your way.
Are you one of the rorqual people?
http://goo.gl/vpylW |

Zackgar
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
14
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Posted - 2012.01.21 18:40:00 -
[607] - Quote
Im Nutz wrote:Wow, just wow....
Matter of fact, Kill it with Fire was nearly responsible for causing me to leave game on a permanent basis with one of their tower raids in the recent past. 5 billion lost in 15 minutes can do that to someone.
Oh ****, I remember you! were you the one where we rocked up, blew up your capital fleet and then demanded you give us your rorqual to leave? Or were you one of the guys who gave me starbase config when i asked for it and wondered where all your stuff went?
Oh wait, theres been so many of you I dont, so no, you are not special...
You are however exceedingly mad |

Im Nutz
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 18:47:00 -
[608] - Quote
Zackgar wrote:Im Nutz wrote:Wow, just wow....
Matter of fact, Kill it with Fire was nearly responsible for causing me to leave game on a permanent basis with one of their tower raids in the recent past. 5 billion lost in 15 minutes can do that to someone.
Oh ****, I remember you! were you the one where we rocked up, blew up your capital fleet and then demanded you give us your rorqual to leave? Or were you one of the guys who gave me starbase config when i asked for it and wondered where all your stuff went? Oh wait, theres been so many of you I dont, so no, you are not special... You are however exceedingly mad
TBH, you didn't get roles like that from me. My CEO was something of an idiot that day.
As for who I am, doesn't matter in the least.
Mad? I was mad once, was great fun.... Might have to go that way again soon... |

Im Nutz
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 18:48:00 -
[609] - Quote
Dino Boff wrote:Im Nutz wrote:Wow, just wow....
First of all, alt post, don't care.
I'll start with addressing the mom-killers: Way to go, you nailed three incursions in less then 24 hours. Not a bad run in and of itself. Something to be aware of, not all 'Incursionbears' are going to go back to other areas. Some of us were forcibly evicted from our nice little printing presses in W-Space. Matter of fact, Kill it with Fire was nearly responsible for causing me to leave game on a permanent basis with one of their tower raids in the recent past. 5 billion lost in 15 minutes can do that to someone.
On to the Incursion runners: Time to stand up and do something about this. How you do it, really doesn't matter much to me. I stand to make tons off the coming conflict. Please, just do something about the insults they have thrown your way. Are you one of the rorqual people? http://goo.gl/vpylW
LOL! Epic much? And nope, I'm not that person at all. |

drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.01.21 19:07:00 -
[610] - Quote
Krissada wrote:*cries while holding her golden award* First I would like to thank these wonderful people from Kill it with fire, Bricks, Skunks and of course those hardworking people from C&P that showed up in our channel to fight alongside with us. *wipes tear away* This could not have been done without you *sops* and by all means this is definitely not the end of it. We shall continue our crusade and hammer some sense into CCP's game and the head of these mindless incursion runners. If an incursion spawns today then feel free to join in with us on either a. Taking it down. b. Causing an immense amount of grief with suicide fleets. To all those who had no faith in our ability. Well have you seen what we have accomplished so far? Threadnoughts everywhere, drama and tears everywhere and last but not least no incursion anywhere in highsec! 
You truly amaze me... you sit whining about how sad your life is and you don't' make enough isk to enjoy eve... imagine what you could have done with the time you wasted doing this??? This is what I did, 1:30 mins incursions... just over 100mil. Ran some Ca's.. maybe 200mil.. did some null explorations and got an escalation.. got some friends and between 4 of us we got a Nightmare BPC., and some other bits.. so in 5 hrs made round 700mil.. all you did was carry on whining..   Oh and apparently you made me sad by stopping my isk faucet as you killed incursions..     What did your null "buddies" do while helping.. Oh they made millions too, their moongoo just keeps coming.. so once again.. you still loose out... shame..
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Simi Kusoni
The Synergy Cascade Imminent
62
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Posted - 2012.01.21 19:08:00 -
[611] - Quote
While you were typing this I made over 9000 isk exploding belt rats in my titan. |

drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.01.21 19:22:00 -
[612] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:While you were typing this I made over 9000 isk exploding belt rats in my titan.
Now I am jealous    Maybe I should start a thread to nerf the titan     
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LanFear TyRaX
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
3
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Posted - 2012.01.21 19:30:00 -
[613] - Quote
Im Nutz wrote: Matter of fact, Kill it with Fire was nearly responsible for causing me to leave game on a permanent basis with one of their tower raids in the recent past. 5 billion lost in 15 minutes can do that to someone.
ah, I am sorry to hear that we didn't live up to your expectation.
Could you please fill this customer satisfaction survey so we may better serve you next time ?
1. Why didn't you quit the game permanently ?
a. Our timing was bad, Please include your desired time slot for corp thefts
b. Our members were not courteous. Please include the name and insults of the offending members accompanied by chat logs if possible.
c. The isk/hr was not enough. 5 billion in 15 minutes is below our average isk/hr on corp thefts, do you have any suggestions to increase the efficiency of our operations ?
d. Tears overflowed the bucket and were wasted. Recently our corporation has added "T2 Buckets (tm)" as a pre-requisite for all applicants. You can contact our HR department for more information.
2. Will our new business frontier (incursions) influence your decision to quit the game ? If so please mention any specific action which may help this cause. If not, please include any other fields in which we may operate to help achieve that goal.
3. How is your isk/hr loss in this new field (incursions) compared to our previous business with you ? Please include any relevant suggestions on how to increase our efficiency.
PS : shamelessly got the idea from ADHC customer satisfaction survey. |

Mincing Molly
Evil Guinea Pigs
0
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Posted - 2012.01.21 19:42:00 -
[614] - Quote
Just curios why the Incursion runners don't do something to stop the popping of the mom.. hire some mercs to dec the corps involved in the running of the mom's, harass the wh of those corps involved.. |

Llyona
SKEET ELITE Sk33t Fl33t
4
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Posted - 2012.01.21 19:51:00 -
[615] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Llyona wrote:Zackgar wrote:Lol, now weve broken all your ISK printing machines in highsec, were going to our wormhome to play with our own  You are quite misinformed on what an isk faucet is. He didn't say faucet. He said ISK printing machine, it's a relative term. 
So, what would you relate "isk printing" to? |

G0hme
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
7
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Posted - 2012.01.21 19:52:00 -
[616] - Quote
Mincing Molly wrote: Just curios why the Incursion runners don't do something to stop the popping of the mom.. hire some mercs to dec the corps involved in the running of the mom's, harass the wh of those corps involved..
Yes indeed, i hear Narwhals are taking up contracts. |

Im Nutz
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.01.21 19:54:00 -
[617] - Quote
LanFear TyRaX wrote:Im Nutz wrote: Matter of fact, Kill it with Fire was nearly responsible for causing me to leave game on a permanent basis with one of their tower raids in the recent past. 5 billion lost in 15 minutes can do that to someone. ah, I am sorry to hear that we didn't live up to your expectation. Could you please fill this customer satisfaction survey so we may better serve you next time ? 1. Why didn't you quit the game permanently ? a. Our timing was bad, Please include your desired time slot for corp thefts How about 27:30 hours, on Feb 39th 3037? b. Our members were not courteous. Please include the name and insults of the offending members accompanied by chat logs if possible. Not enough trash talk in corp, include more next time. Would have loved to have a verbal tit-for-tat next time. c. The isk/hr was not enough. 5 billion in 15 minutes is below our average isk/hr on corp thefts, do you have any suggestions to increase the efficiency of our operations ? How about trying for capital BPOs next time? d. Tears overflowed the bucket and were wasted. Recently our corporation has added "T2 Buckets (tm)" as a pre-requisite for all applicants. You can contact our HR department for more information. Tears? What tears? I remember irritation, and a sense of awe once past the irritation. 2. Will our new business frontier (incursions) influence your decision to quit the game ? If so please mention any specific action which may help this cause. If not, please include any other fields in which we may operate to help achieve that goal. Removing me from this game would require you to permanently wardec my place of employment IRL... Good luck with that endeavor. 3. How is your isk/hr loss in this new field (incursions) compared to our previous business with you ? Please include any relevant suggestions on how to increase our efficiency. As I have not suffered any loss of ISK/hr due to these actions. Please, keep up the funny hijinks. PS : shamelessly got the idea from ADHC customer satisfaction survey.
Just because I can.... Answers in quote ^ |

doombreed52
Neotech Industries Infinite Improbabilities
5
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Posted - 2012.01.21 21:42:00 -
[618] - Quote
you know i should be annoyed but then i think you know what screw it im tired of these damn elitists in HIGHSEC and are not bitter vet traders i just dont care any more the plex prices are too high the carebear politics are beyond stupid and the channel i did HQ fleets with is dead to me so i just dont care go for it make them cry i back this. Im tired hearing that this is a btl/tdf incursion says who sansha? |

RiskyFrisky
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
12
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 21:45:00 -
[619] - Quote
Mincing Molly wrote: Just curios why the Incursion runners don't do something to stop the popping of the mom.. hire some mercs to dec the corps involved in the running of the mom's, harass the wh of those corps involved..
Mercs are easily avoidable.
There is nothing they can do but blow the Mom up first, which completes our job for us. |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
84
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Posted - 2012.01.21 22:03:00 -
[620] - Quote
doombreed52 wrote:you know i should be annoyed but then i think you know what screw it im tired of these damn elitists in HIGHSEC and are not bitter vet traders i just dont care any more the plex prices are too high the carebear politics are beyond stupid and the channel i did HQ fleets with is dead to me so i just dont care go for it make them cry i back this. Im tired hearing that this is a btl/tdf incursion says who sansha?
Incursion Interdiction/geddon/destruction - now supported by incursion runners themselves! |
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drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2012.01.21 22:21:00 -
[621] - Quote
This is rather interesting... The causes leader "an experienced incursion runner" http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1478787 |

Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
641
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 22:22:00 -
[622] - Quote
drdxie wrote:Krissada wrote:*cries while holding her golden award* First I would like to thank these wonderful people from Kill it with fire, Bricks, Skunks and of course those hardworking people from C&P that showed up in our channel to fight alongside with us. *wipes tear away* This could not have been done without you *sops* and by all means this is definitely not the end of it. We shall continue our crusade and hammer some sense into CCP's game and the head of these mindless incursion runners. If an incursion spawns today then feel free to join in with us on either a. Taking it down. b. Causing an immense amount of grief with suicide fleets. To all those who had no faith in our ability. Well have you seen what we have accomplished so far? Threadnoughts everywhere, drama and tears everywhere and last but not least no incursion anywhere in highsec!  You truly amaze me... you sit whining about how sad your life is and you don't' make enough isk to enjoy eve... imagine what you could have done with the time you wasted doing this??? This is what I did, 1:30 mins incursions... just over 100mil. Ran some Ca's.. maybe 200mil.. did some null explorations and got an escalation.. got some friends and between 4 of us we got a Nightmare BPC., and some other bits.. so in 5 hrs made round 700mil.. all you did was carry on whining..    Oh and apparently you made me sad by stopping my isk faucet as you killed incursions..       What did your null "buddies" do while helping.. Oh they made millions too, their moongoo just keeps coming.. so once again.. you still loose out... shame.. Wow. I got tingles. This guy gets it!
Clearly Eve online is all about making the number in your virtual wallet bigger.
Question: if I just photoshop three zeroes onto the end of my wallet figure, will I also be able to post 5 smilies of happy in a row? - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |

Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
338
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Posted - 2012.01.21 22:23:00 -
[623] - Quote
Don't think that even dedicated carebears can see the light about how horrible the current isk faucet is? They can.
Plus, characters can be sold, might not be the same player behind the name any more. o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
85
|
Posted - 2012.01.21 22:31:00 -
[624] - Quote
Someone has done his homework. Well done my pupil. |

drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2012.01.21 22:44:00 -
[625] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Don't think that even dedicated carebears can see the light about how horrible the current isk faucet is? They can. Plus, characters can be sold, might not be the same player behind the name any more.
if you all are so worried about the isk faucet.. what about moon goo, or the goons chasing up ice prices.. I'll tell you why.. none of you care about the isk or the players of eve, most of you probably joined the goons in their quest.. its the tears and other selfish reasons that this crusade has been led. If greifing is your thing.. then so be it.. but don't try hide it behind a cause for the good of others or the game.. If incursions were negatively impacting the game CCP would change it.. anyway.. i'll hop off my soap box now |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
1735
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Posted - 2012.01.21 22:50:00 -
[626] - Quote
drdxie wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Don't think that even dedicated carebears can see the light about how horrible the current isk faucet is? They can. Plus, characters can be sold, might not be the same player behind the name any more. if you all are so worried about the isk faucet.. what about moon goo, or the goons chasing up ice prices.. I'll tell you why.. none of you care about the isk or the players of eve, most of you probably joined the goons in their quest.. its the tears and other selfish reasons that this crusade has been led. If greifing is your thing.. then so be it.. but don't try hide it behind a cause for the good of others or the game.. If incursions were negatively impacting the game CCP would change it.. anyway.. i'll hop off my soap box now
Those aren't ISK faucets. They are material faucets and only move existing ISK from other peoples wallets to their own when sold on the market. So they aren't really comparable. |

Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden
9
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Posted - 2012.01.22 01:37:00 -
[627] - Quote
Congratulations to Krissada for taking such a great idea and making it a reality. The immersion breaking farming of Incursions have made what might have been a great mechanic into a joke. While I have found no use for tears, (I was told they would keep a POS fueled and online, this is not true) I hope that your actions maybe get the incursion runners to get creative and respond with more than bans and moronic fist waving.
Imagine a high sec war where everything burned. On one side the gentry protecting their crops and the other the rabble pouring in from overloaded star gates, pillaging and burning all in sight. That could be pretty damn exciting. (I'll put the roleplayer in me away now)
And Darius III, well played sir. I hope that this one upping of the Mittani succeeds for you or at least leads to a response from the Spy Master. How amusing that the group created to advocate for players are actually taking over game play creation from CCP. You all really should get paid.
This really is the best MMO. |

Silence iKillYouu
The Innocent Criminals
135
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Posted - 2012.01.22 01:41:00 -
[628] - Quote
Awesome work guys
We are catching a few bears trying to get to lowsec incursions lol. OMNOMNOMNOM http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
87
|
Posted - 2012.01.22 01:58:00 -
[629] - Quote
Silence iKillYouu wrote:Awesome work guys
We are catching a few bears trying to get to lowsec incursions lol. OMNOMNOMNOM
Oh jolly. Link the killmails!  |

Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
16
|
Posted - 2012.01.22 02:36:00 -
[630] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:I find it amusing however that a bunch of nullsec strategically "savvy" players are broadcasting their next move to the community. That'd be like North Korea informing whatever nation of their first nuclear strike. "Hey, we're going to attack you. Just so you know, later." Which brings that actual purpose of this thread into question. Ultimately, I think either their not going to do a damn thing, or their just hoping to scare people into killing the mothership themselves without any effort from the nullbears. Either way, it's a strategy that will likely not accomplish whatever it's intended.
See this? This is how much you don't get it.
The third option would have been that they're doing it because they can get more tears by telling incursion scrubs exactly what they're going to do and how they will do it, because they know scrubs are worthless and can't do anything to stop them. |
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Celery Man
Talocan Mining And Industrial Talocan United
41
|
Posted - 2012.01.22 03:32:00 -
[631] - Quote
Ispia Jaydrath wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:I find it amusing however that a bunch of nullsec strategically "savvy" players are broadcasting their next move to the community. That'd be like North Korea informing whatever nation of their first nuclear strike. "Hey, we're going to attack you. Just so you know, later." Which brings that actual purpose of this thread into question. Ultimately, I think either their not going to do a damn thing, or their just hoping to scare people into killing the mothership themselves without any effort from the nullbears. Either way, it's a strategy that will likely not accomplish whatever it's intended. See this? This is how much you don't get it. The third option would have been that they're doing it because they can get more tears by telling incursion scrubs exactly what they're going to do and how they will do it, because they know scrubs are worthless and can't do anything to stop them.
This is very true - When someone gets beaten there are tears sometimes for sure, but when someone is told to their face how, when, and where then they really have a chance to discoverer just how little balls, intelligence and initiative they truly have.
THIS is when the real tears come from, the truly golden ones you keep printouts in your hope chest of to treasure forever. |

Stringar
Warsmiths Warsmiths.
7
|
Posted - 2012.01.22 04:43:00 -
[632] - Quote
might want to be careful (Brink) you might cause those carebears to say screw incursion's and mob your corps into oblivion
but on the other side they do have a point about forcing players to do PvP, it will cause an extreme drop in ccp's income
but I agree they need to fix incursion's, but only to a point : limit how long a single char can participate in it per day and how long that individual incursion will last
hell even a cap of 250 mil per incursion for max payout........
but as for the market, it won't get any better, it's already been ruined for life.... take startrek online for instance (wow,eq2,etc.) only way to fix that is to put a max cap on market/contract items for each individual item
as for mission runners It takes long drooling days and hrs even at lvl 4 mission's just to get enough isk for a basic crusier and setup and god for give a battle crusier or tech 2 frig
just saying............ |

Lysaeus
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
10
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Posted - 2012.01.22 04:54:00 -
[633] - Quote
Stringar wrote:but as for the market, it won't get any better, it's already been ruined for life.... take startrek online for instance (wow,eq2,etc.) only way to fix that is to put a max cap on market/contract items for each individual item
as for mission runners It takes long drooling days and hrs even at lvl 4 mission's just to get enough isk for a basic crusier and setup and god for give a battle crusier or tech 2 frig
The market will repair itself over time (so long as this isk faucet stays reduced to a dribble). The eve economy is a lot more robust than any other mmo economy and you really should give CCP credit for that.
If you're running L4 missions and can't afford a t2 fit bc or T2 frig after 1 hour you're doing it wrong. |

Stringar
Warsmiths Warsmiths.
7
|
Posted - 2012.01.22 05:05:00 -
[634] - Quote
Lysaeus wrote:Stringar wrote:but as for the market, it won't get any better, it's already been ruined for life.... take startrek online for instance (wow,eq2,etc.) only way to fix that is to put a max cap on market/contract items for each individual item
as for mission runners It takes long drooling days and hrs even at lvl 4 mission's just to get enough isk for a basic crusier and setup and god for give a battle crusier or tech 2 frig The market will repair itself over time (so long as this isk faucet stays reduced to a dribble). The eve economy is a lot more robust than any other mmo economy and you really should give CCP credit for that. If you're running L4 missions and can't afford a t2 fit bc or T2 frig after 1 hour you're doing it wrong.
depends on mission really, if u have the hull to carry everything that you killed and scape it before you leave you can make somewhere between 1mil to15 mil additional to the mission
but most peeps dont like to go to low/null sec till they have enough to replace their ships and fits a half-a-dozen times and dear load don't try to mission there Its only asking for them to kill you while being attack by PvE npc's |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
25
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Posted - 2012.01.22 10:18:00 -
[635] - Quote
Zackgar wrote:Lol, now weve broken all your ISK printing machines in highsec, were going to our wormhome to play with our own 
Oh no, my asteroids are all broken?
Jovan Geldon wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:wordswordswords That was an awful lot of typing you did there to basically say "blah blah grief blah blah my ~opinion~ blah blah STOP BEING NASTY TO EACH OTHER ON THE INTERNET IT HURTS MY FEELINGS ABLOO ABLOO" Also your name is p. gay, just saying
Oh no, my name is P gay? Hmm, I'll have to look that up, meanwhile, think about the fact that I'm not going to consider the opinion of a moron who cant read. I didnt once say stop being nasty to each other. I encouraged in fact. I guess you cant read since you didnt catch the portion about you people being nasty to each other making my hard earned minerals worth more.
Next time, try reading the lines instead of just between them.
Quick tip, all those pretty symbols in those lil groups strung together with punctuation mean stuff, did you know that?
Now if we're done insulting each other, I encourage you to point out exactly where I said this "STOP BEING NASTY TO EACH OTHER ON THE INTERNET IT HURTS MY FEELINGS ABLOO ABLOO" gibberish your spouting? Sounds more like your projecting your own sensitive feelings, and possibly a lil homophobia in their too. |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
25
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Posted - 2012.01.22 11:34:00 -
[636] - Quote
Celery Man wrote:Ispia Jaydrath wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:I find it amusing however that a bunch of nullsec strategically "savvy" players are broadcasting their next move to the community. That'd be like North Korea informing whatever nation of their first nuclear strike. "Hey, we're going to attack you. Just so you know, later." Which brings that actual purpose of this thread into question. Ultimately, I think either their not going to do a damn thing, or their just hoping to scare people into killing the mothership themselves without any effort from the nullbears. Either way, it's a strategy that will likely not accomplish whatever it's intended. See this? This is how much you don't get it. The third option would have been that they're doing it because they can get more tears by telling incursion scrubs exactly what they're going to do and how they will do it, because they know scrubs are worthless and can't do anything to stop them. This is very true - When someone gets beaten there are tears sometimes for sure, but when someone is told to their face how, when, and where then they really have a chance to discoverer just how little balls, intelligence and initiative they truly have. THIS is when the real tears come from, the truly golden ones you keep printouts in your hope chest of to treasure forever. You would treasure the act of making someone cry? Well at least you can admit how truely deplorable you are. Most evil people are delusional enough to also claim to not be so cruel. That's the point I was making earlier. I dont have a problem with griefers being griefers, I dont have an issue with people hunting each other or going to destroy others well laid plans. I just have a very low opinion of you as, and I use the term loosely, 'persons'. It takes a very insecure, unstable, and troubled individual to take joy in anothers tears. Dont mistake, I'm not crying, its your life to abuse as you please, not mine. I choose to be who I am, you choose to be who you are. I didnt start this arguement either, you guys did. I joined about halfway thru, and now your all attacking me for being different. Oh, and kudos to your success, always good to see plans come to fruition.
I never said I dont get it, I said I dont approve. But I guess that's not allowed by your communist outlook either. If I dont agree with you I'm just wrong? That's ok, I can live with that. |

Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
339
|
Posted - 2012.01.22 11:45:00 -
[637] - Quote
Stringar wrote:Lysaeus wrote:Stringar wrote:but as for the market, it won't get any better, it's already been ruined for life.... take startrek online for instance (wow,eq2,etc.) only way to fix that is to put a max cap on market/contract items for each individual item
as for mission runners It takes long drooling days and hrs even at lvl 4 mission's just to get enough isk for a basic crusier and setup and god for give a battle crusier or tech 2 frig The market will repair itself over time (so long as this isk faucet stays reduced to a dribble). The eve economy is a lot more robust than any other mmo economy and you really should give CCP credit for that. If you're running L4 missions and can't afford a t2 fit bc or T2 frig after 1 hour you're doing it wrong. depends on mission really, if u have the hull to carry everything that you killed and scape it before you leave you can make somewhere between 1mil to15 mil additional to the mission but most peeps dont like to go to low/null sec till they have enough to replace their ships and fits a half-a-dozen times and dear load don't try to mission there Its only asking for them to kill you while being attack by PvE npc's the trick to missioning in low/null is paying attention. If you do this, you will learn fast, and be fine after 2-3 losses.
don't be afraid, they are just space pixels. o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
99
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:35:00 -
[638] - Quote
There are currently 9 threads about incursions on the main page of General Discussion. Eight out of nine have just been locked and everyone is huddled into one.
Well done gentlemen we have started an uproar that has caught CCP's attention. I salute you all o7 |

Cannibal Kane
Count With Teddy Mercenaries
203
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Posted - 2012.01.22 12:54:00 -
[639] - Quote
Well this is exciting.
I don't do PVE.. and I never will... I suffered a few days of PVE so i can run locators. Worst week of my EVE life.
I do have one question for you guys... what is the goal behind all this? if you say tears I am going to presume your a ******.
I know incursions pay out way to much isk. There is no risk for the amount of reward people are getting, so what is your end goal? I know people have been saying alot of things, Hell I think just changing the warp gate to sites to allow for only certain type ships for the site will up the risk/reward.
But I don't run incursion so I don't know. "Demoralize the Enemy from within by Surprise, Terror, Sabotage, Assassination. This method of Guarilla Warfare is the only Method of Warfare for me"
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Dino Boff
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
1
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Posted - 2012.01.22 13:10:00 -
[640] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:
I do have one question for you guys... what is the goal behind all this? if you say tears I am going to presume your a r3tard.
Krissada wants Incursion fixed liked he said.
They rest of us are total r3tard. |
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Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
27
|
Posted - 2012.01.22 13:19:00 -
[641] - Quote
Cannibal Kane wrote:Well this is exciting.
I don't do PVE.. and I never will... I suffered a few days of PVE so i can run locators. Worst week of my EVE life.
I do have one question for you guys... what is the goal behind all this? if you say tears I am going to presume your a r3tard.
I know incursions pay out way to much isk. There is no risk for the amount of reward people are getting, so what is your end goal? I know people have been saying alot of things, Hell I think just changing the warp gate to sites to allow for only certain type ships for the site will up the risk vs reward.
But I don't run incursion so I don't know.
Does there have to be an end goal, why cant it just be done for the sake of doing it?
You're also ignoring the fact that people doing this probably have a range of motivations, theres no one size fits all reason to do something like this.
In the end what we have here is a player having an idea and managing to persuade a large number of other players, some like minded and some who needed a bit of incentive, to participate in the execution of that idea. Its 100% player driven content, exactly the kind of thing that makes eve great and I would be impressed with this even if I was on the recieving end of it. |

Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
18
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Posted - 2012.01.22 14:42:00 -
[642] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:You would treasure the act of making someone cry? Well at least you can admit how truely deplorable you are. Most evil people are delusional enough to also claim to not be so cruel. That's the point I was making earlier. I dont have a problem with griefers being griefers, I dont have an issue with people hunting each other or going to destroy others well laid plans. I just have a very low opinion of you as, and I use the term loosely, 'persons'. It takes a very insecure, unstable, and troubled individual to take joy in anothers tears. Dont mistake, I'm not crying, its your life to abuse as you please, not mine. I choose to be who I am, you choose to be who you are. I didnt start this arguement either, you guys did. I joined about halfway thru, and now your all attacking me for being different. Oh, and kudos to your success, always good to see plans come to fruition.
I never said I dont get it, I said I dont approve. But I guess that's not allowed by your communist outlook either. If I dont agree with you I'm just wrong? That's ok, I can live with that.
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what we in the business call bitter, bitter tears.
<3 |

Myz Toyou
Bite me inc. Narwhals Ate My Duck
30
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Posted - 2012.01.22 16:30:00 -
[643] - Quote
Are there already new fleets on his way to end the newly spawned incursions ? And how can I join with my alt to help take down the MS as fast as possible so that the routes through empire are safe again to travel without harrasment from Sansha Pirats ? |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
102
|
Posted - 2012.01.22 16:46:00 -
[644] - Quote
Myz Toyou wrote:Are there already new fleets on his way to end the newly spawned incursions ? And how can I join with my alt to help take down the MS as fast as possible so that the routes through empire are safe again to travel without harrasment from Sansha Pirats ?
Well sir, feel free to join in our ingame channel "Grief the Bears". Yes, today too we plan on taking down incursions \o/ |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
606
|
Posted - 2012.01.22 17:24:00 -
[645] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Myz Toyou wrote:Are there already new fleets on his way to end the newly spawned incursions ? And how can I join with my alt to help take down the MS as fast as possible so that the routes through empire are safe again to travel without harrasment from Sansha Pirats ? Well sir, feel free to join in our ingame channel "Grief the Bears". Yes, today too we plan on taking down incursions \o/
Hopefully soon. It is just about euro primetime and BTL is still a blob of fits. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
153
|
Posted - 2012.01.22 18:11:00 -
[646] - Quote
Weiland Taur wrote: While I have found no use for tears, (I was told they would keep a POS fueled and online, this is not true) I hope that your actions maybe get the incursion runners to get creative and respond with more than bans and moronic fist waving.
In 2 days you'll need to manufacture them into tears blocks, maybe they'll work after that.
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VOC Silver
Dark-Code-Holdings Multiple Sargasm
1
|
Posted - 2012.01.22 18:29:00 -
[647] - Quote
I collect mommie calling fools tears, and i see lots of mommie calling fools in this topic.
I can taste them already! jummy! 
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Madame Leroy
NoISKwithoutRisk Inc.
1
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:18:00 -
[648] - Quote
In 2 days my corporation will join with huge Thrasher fleets Kissada`s honorable effort to reduce the risk free ISK injection into the EVE economy. May the tears flow in epic porportions....
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Weiland Taur
Ceptic Innovations Rebel Alliance of New Eden
14
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Posted - 2012.01.22 19:22:00 -
[649] - Quote
Madame Leroy wrote:In 2 days my corporation will join with huge Thrasher fleets Kissada`s honorable effort to reduce the risk free ISK injection into the EVE economy. May the tears flow in epic porportions....
Not risk Free. Just not Risky enough. |

Grukni
Shimai of New Eden
42
|
Posted - 2012.01.22 20:07:00 -
[650] - Quote
Krissada wrote:
I am not a game designer and thus that is not up to me to decide the exact amount, but when I earn the equivalent in a C5 with faction, t3 and capital ships running sites as I can running sites in highsec with no risk of being hotdropped by rooks and kings with 5 guardians, 3 bhaalgorns and a ton of t3's then why would I ever want to actually do sites in w-space? I could just live there just for the PvP and excitement, not for the site and have alts bringing in the isk in highsec. Yep sounds like a damn nice game change to me. Might as well remove all the sleepers from wormhole.
Oh while we talk about inflation. Did you notice that nanoribbons (they come from w-space) have gone up to over 8 million isk now? I am sure it's not because people aren't running sites anymore in w-space.
Apart from this, haven't you noticed a drop reduction from sleepers sites? |
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Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
43
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Posted - 2012.01.22 21:12:00 -
[651] - Quote
I don't do incursions.
But I'm greatly amused by the volume and quality of tears resulting from you guys out-bearing the bears. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
14
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Posted - 2012.01.22 22:06:00 -
[652] - Quote
Tiye Q wrote: Not true. Try running an incursion (anywhere, hi/lo/null) with no logi. Almost no risk is soloing a level 4 with a local tank. Vanguard sites require 2-3 logi pilots. No logi means you have a 100% chance of losing your ships. There is plenty of risk there, and this is not to mention that most people will be meeting their logi pilots for the first time in a pickup fleet. Another risk.
I have seen grand displays of cognitive dissonance displayed by those who have nothing but hate in their heart for incursions and incursion runners.
Those who are currently griefing, etc... do not have the mental fortitude or dexterity to keep their efforts up. Generally if you hold up something else that is shiny, it will get their attention. This happened previously with lvl 4 missions, wh's, and ice....
Probably one of the clearest an most rational statements made in this thread...
Kudos TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
14
|
Posted - 2012.01.22 22:52:00 -
[653] - Quote
drdxie wrote: if you all are so worried about the isk faucet.. what about moon goo, or the goons chasing up ice prices.. I'll tell you why.. none of you care about the isk or the players of eve, most of you probably joined the goons in their quest.. its the tears and other selfish reasons that this crusade has been led. If greifing is your thing.. then so be it.. but don't try hide it behind a cause for the good of others or the game.. If incursions were negatively impacting the game CCP would change it.. anyway.. i'll hop off my soap box now
Ahhh... the farcical stand of "For the Good of EVE" is just as thin and absurd as it has sounded all along... the griferbears are playing thier way, and lying about it, as usual.
I care not that they grief, just wish they had the ballz to stand up for what they really want and thier reasons for doing it... the desire to create Tears = nuthing but grief. TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
28
|
Posted - 2012.01.22 22:55:00 -
[654] - Quote
TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:drdxie wrote: if you all are so worried about the isk faucet.. what about moon goo, or the goons chasing up ice prices.. I'll tell you why.. none of you care about the isk or the players of eve, most of you probably joined the goons in their quest.. its the tears and other selfish reasons that this crusade has been led. If greifing is your thing.. then so be it.. but don't try hide it behind a cause for the good of others or the game.. If incursions were negatively impacting the game CCP would change it.. anyway.. i'll hop off my soap box now
Ahhh... the farcical stand of "For the Good of EVE" is just as thin and absurd as it has sounded all along... the griferbears are playing thier way, and lying about it, as usual. I care not that they grief, just wish they had the ballz to stand up for what they really want and thier reasons for doing it... the desire to create Tears = nuthing but grief.
Well I'll stand up for it.
I just spent an hour and 50 minutes in fleet cackling madly as we ended all three highsec incursions and harvested an endless ocean of tears from incusion channels. |

Sarrol
Ghost Data Eych Four Eks Zero Ahr
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.22 23:21:00 -
[655] - Quote
Ispia Jaydrath wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:drdxie wrote: if you all are so worried about the isk faucet.. what about moon goo, or the goons chasing up ice prices.. I'll tell you why.. none of you care about the isk or the players of eve, most of you probably joined the goons in their quest.. its the tears and other selfish reasons that this crusade has been led. If greifing is your thing.. then so be it.. but don't try hide it behind a cause for the good of others or the game.. If incursions were negatively impacting the game CCP would change it.. anyway.. i'll hop off my soap box now
Ahhh... the farcical stand of "For the Good of EVE" is just as thin and absurd as it has sounded all along... the griferbears are playing thier way, and lying about it, as usual. I care not that they grief, just wish they had the ballz to stand up for what they really want and thier reasons for doing it... the desire to create Tears = nuthing but grief. Well I'll stand up for it. I just spent an hour and 50 minutes in fleet cackling madly as we ended all three highsec incursions and harvested an endless ocean of tears from incursion channels. I did this for no other reason than that it's ******* hilarious.
I support this statement |

Elemor
Artic Blue
1
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Posted - 2012.01.22 23:58:00 -
[656] - Quote
It's so easy.
Eve is a totally dinamic environment, so there is no reason for not letting bears to far again and again. There is also the same rights to let any player fly around eve taking down MoMs. So stop crying and find the right way to stop your competitor from doing something u dont like.
There is also another thing. Take your own choices and dont let another people to focus you in anything so much profittable for them.
And the most important thing. Have Fun.
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Freundliches Feuer
Exanimo Inc
2
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Posted - 2012.01.23 00:19:00 -
[657] - Quote
All incursions down, bears OBEYYY! |

Brutor Slavechild 1039248223
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 00:26:00 -
[658] - Quote
I dropped by the constellation to see the last mom go. I don't think i've ever heard carebears howl with just indignant rage.
Kudoz to everyone involved. |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
54
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 00:41:00 -
[659] - Quote
http://i.imgur.com/qkift.jpg |

Bernadictus
S.A.S Pandemic Legion
4
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 00:56:00 -
[660] - Quote
Someone, quick! Bring me moar jars. The tears are filling them up so fast. |
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TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
14
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 01:01:00 -
[661] - Quote
Ispia Jaydrath wrote: Well I'll stand up for it
I just spent an hour and 50 minutes in fleet cackling madly as we ended all three highsec incursions and harvested an endless ocean of tears from incursion channels. I did this for no other reason than that it's ******* hilarious.
Ahhh... my work here is truly done.
Thank you Ispia...
I LOVE this game! TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Dograzor
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
9
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 01:15:00 -
[662] - Quote
I fully endorse this service/product/suggestion or w/e it is, more tears more fun.
Leetist bears must be reminded again that there should be significant risk for significant rewards.  |

Kaanchana
Rocket Rajas
156
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 01:31:00 -
[663] - Quote
Admire your work till now. Hope you can keep up. +1. |

Muttrah
Corsairs Inc. RED.Legion
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 01:35:00 -
[664] - Quote
Oh ya, like when you ******* were exploiting the moons and it was all fine? Yeah, good points, idiots.
You are delusionnal. OFC incursions in empire are easier to take down than POS defended by powerhouses. |

Leeme Lone
Cosmic Fusion
4
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 01:44:00 -
[665] - Quote
Im hoping CCP does nothing, if they bend the mechanics everytime a bunch of whiners threw up some posts and general grief.. then god be with us... especially from a 10'er /facepalm.. I am aware it has happened in the past, with different succes, luckily it dosnt happen so often and usually carries heavy consideration.
At some time this will be exploited as well and the carebears will just join your corp to make ISK, but im sure they can find something else to do as they have before.. i highly doubt they will go to a lower security status, just because someone said so.
Lets see what the times brings, either if CCP makes some changes or the incursion killers gets bored.. Luckily i got a few 5.0 alts to go suicide with for pvp moneys during griefing periods anyways, but im sure a lot of new players, returning players and most likely others, are inside their account management to freeze their accounts right now, lets hope for a solution before all the highseccers making all the pewpew equipment has quit. |

Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
18
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 01:45:00 -
[666] - Quote
Muttrah wrote:Oh ya, like when you ******* were exploiting the moons and it was all fine? Yeah, good points, idiots.
You are delusionnal. OFC incursions in empire are easier to take down than POS defended by powerhouses.
Since when have there been moon goo in wormhole space? :O |

Muttrah
Corsairs Inc. RED.Legion
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 01:56:00 -
[667] - Quote
Never heard of Alts? You are funny.
And the POS exploit was WAY before WHs existed. Nice try. It was a NON-legit income, and you did nothing to stop it. This time, LEGIT income making is frowned upon? You guys are hard to follow. CCP did have to intervene to stop you from making illegal isk, remember?
Take HQs for example, think its around 35-36M per hour or so, while plexes can give you 1B and up fairly easily.
Then again, idiots with too much time in their hands. |

Lysaeus
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
10
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:05:00 -
[668] - Quote
once again...
Isk injection and materials to sell to other characters are entirely different types of transactions and have drastically different effects on the economy.
HS incursions do not present any substantial risk to the players as concord will intervene when anything significant is done against them.
finally, I do not understand why you are arguing against people completing the content as it was intended rather than allowing 2 power blocks to metagame their way into maintaining a perpetual isk faucet. |

Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
18
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Posted - 2012.01.23 02:07:00 -
[669] - Quote
Muttrah wrote:Never heard of Alts? You are funny.
And the POS exploit was WAY before WHs existed. Nice try. It was a NON-legit income, and you did nothing to stop it. This time, LEGIT income making is frowned upon? You guys are hard to follow. CCP did have to intervene to stop you from making illegal isk, remember?
Take HQs for example, think its around 35-36M per hour or so, while plexes can give you 1B and up fairly easily.
Then again, idiots with too much time in their hands.
So delusional and misinformed, it's really rather amusing. |

Muttrah
Corsairs Inc. RED.Legion
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 02:14:00 -
[670] - Quote
Hoxothul wrote:Muttrah wrote:Never heard of Alts? You are funny.
And the POS exploit was WAY before WHs existed. Nice try. It was a NON-legit income, and you did nothing to stop it. This time, LEGIT income making is frowned upon? You guys are hard to follow. CCP did have to intervene to stop you from making illegal isk, remember?
Take HQs for example, think its around 35-36M per hour or so, while plexes can give you 1B and up fairly easily.
Then again, idiots with too much time in their hands. So delusional and misinformed, it's really rather amusing.
So CCP didnt act to make it stop? WHs were present back then? It was not an exploit? I did 1 night of HQs, and was making 31M every 45 mins. I run complexes and often get 1B+ in loot. But right, I am uninformed.
And Lysaeus, I am in favor of those who are completing the content as it was intended, what I am against is brick messing with legit content when all these guys were exploiting the towers when it was possible. I said all, lets say many. |
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Jovan Geldon
SniggWaffe EVE Corporation 123566322353
292
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 02:35:00 -
[671] - Quote
Muttrah wrote:Take HQs for example, think its around 35-36M per hour or so, while plexes can give you 1B and up fairly easily.
Nullsec plexes don't have omnipotent all-knowing space police protecting the people running them
Also if you can make a billion ISK an hour running nullsec stuff, why are you wasting your time posting your drivel on here when you could be out there playing EVE Online: A Bad Game and making mad spacegold in the process |

Muttrah
Corsairs Inc. RED.Legion
0
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 02:41:00 -
[672] - Quote
Used to run them, and compared to all the BS I saw, it is legit. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1148
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 02:42:00 -
[673] - Quote
Another great fleet, another great time. Thanks Krissada and Darius III for this great player-driven live event. This is the stuff that makes the game great.
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Braelyn
Good Vs. Neutral Stop Exploding You Cowards
1
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Posted - 2012.01.23 03:16:00 -
[674] - Quote
I am not entirely sure CCP intended incursions to be farmed quite as much as they have been, once the mom has spawned. +1 to you guys for stopping this isk faucet from turning our sandbox into a mudtrap. |

Karsa Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.01.23 04:22:00 -
[675] - Quote
Fully support this.
Farming incursions no end is bad from a RP perspective anyway. Kill the damn mothership if you can.
As for the no-rep fleets. Well thats griefing. But that has always been part of Eve. Doesnt mean you have to like/support them, feel free to note the guys and take revenge.
Aside from that, i will watch with some amusement. |

Callous Jade
Narcissistic Ventures
13
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Posted - 2012.01.23 05:09:00 -
[676] - Quote
Muttrah wrote:Used to run them, and compared to all the BS I saw, it is legit.
Lemme see if I got this straight. You are really mad about something that happened a long time ago (moon goo faucet?) because noone stopped it. Now you are also really mad about something that is hardly related (faucet?) because people are stopping it? Yet you also claim to have no real current knowledge of either situation...("used to run them"/lol RED Legion)
Come back when your clue is delivered. |

Tiye Q
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.23 05:24:00 -
[677] - Quote
Dograzor wrote:I fully endorse this service/product/suggestion or w/e it is, more tears more fun. Leetist bears must be reminded again that there should be significant risk for significant rewards. 
...another grand display of cognitive dissonance.
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1179
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 05:35:00 -
[678] - Quote
I like that after all the efforts to disrupt high sec incursions that have been employed, simply doing a little bit of PVE proves the most effective. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
608
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 05:37:00 -
[679] - Quote
Krissada wrote:*cries while holding her golden award* First I would like to thank these wonderful people from Kill it with fire, Bricks, Skunks and of course those hardworking people from C&P that showed up in our channel to fight alongside with us. *wipes tear away* This could not have been done without you *sops* and by all means this is definitely not the end of it. We shall continue our crusade and hammer some sense into CCP's game and the head of these mindless incursion runners. If an incursion spawns today then feel free to join in with us on either a. Taking it down. b. Causing an immense amount of grief with suicide fleets. To all those who had no faith in our ability. Well have you seen what we have accomplished so far? Threadnoughts everywhere, drama and tears everywhere and last but not least no incursion anywhere in highsec! 
Ok here is the deal. Yall are FAR too slow in taking them down.
It took until well after Euro Primetime for yall to get started. That allowed many people to get their Incursion running in for the day and thus were not affected.
Do it right next time! Have FCs form fleets as soon as The mothership is spotted. Better yet people should be forming once the bar reaches halfway because that means the bears are in position and it wont be long.
Otherwise BTL and TDF leadership will just wait you out and wont lose much support among the members. |

Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
82
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Posted - 2012.01.23 05:43:00 -
[680] - Quote
Starfleet, you're not in charge of this ****. We'll expend exactly the amount of effort we want to expend. We're not going to alarm-clock ****. We're not some ****** renter alliance.
Also, you're an annoying douchemouth. |
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TriaSsiiCx
Ride My Rainbow
0
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Posted - 2012.01.23 05:51:00 -
[681] - Quote
hey this is basically krissadas message, and i like it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMxX-QOV9tI&ob=av3e i just dont get why you let those players die by not repping them. thats sorta ****** up. noy trying to cry here, but taking it to that level, idk.. i was with u about turning off this isk faucet, trust me its a logical idea. however i was out when i heard about those BS getting griefed. im not even supposed to be here as im only 7 months old with wayy less than 10m sp under my belt and no xp... but ya was hoping to put my message out there and see what you folks feel about it  |

Tiye Q
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.23 05:52:00 -
[682] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Otherwise BTL and TDF leadership will just wait you out and wont lose much support among the members.
That is going to happen regardless.
This latest exercise in hi-sec griefing won't stand the test of time. It will fade.
Someone should point out that while the so-called "tear extractors" are carrying the flag of "internet spaceship economists, and incursions are free isk, and the game should be played with a certain level of risk because I said so,etc..." they are happily making lots of isk killing mom sites. Apparently that piece of information has gone unnoticed or intentionally ignored by both sides.
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
258
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Posted - 2012.01.23 05:55:00 -
[683] - Quote
Truly the payout of one mom site is equal to or exceeding the constant payouts of bears grinding vanguards 23/7. That was their plan all along! You cracked it! http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif |

Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1181
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 06:00:00 -
[684] - Quote
Ohnoes! How dare they make a profit on their activity... Remove ISK income from all PVE that is removing ISK income from PVE. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
608
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 06:00:00 -
[685] - Quote
Psychotic Monk wrote:Starfleet, you're not in charge of this ****. We'll expend exactly the amount of effort we want to expend. We're not going to alarm-clock ****. We're not some ****** renter alliance.
Also, you're an annoying douchemouth.
If you don't start expending more effort they will just learn your times and lower your effect even more.
I saw the bar go up in record time. It remained solid blue hour after hour. People continue making a crap ton of money that feeds into BTL and TDF SRP coffers.
Step up and do better or go home. |

G0hme
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
8
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 06:01:00 -
[686] - Quote
KrakizBad wrote:Truly the payout of one mom site is equal to or exceeding the constant payouts of bears grinding vanguards 23/7. That was their plan all along! You cracked it!
The cat is out of the bag now! You sir are a genius! ;) |

Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1181
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 06:03:00 -
[687] - Quote
Bloody backseat drivers, ****-off. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
82
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 06:05:00 -
[688] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Psychotic Monk wrote:Starfleet, you're not in charge of this ****. We'll expend exactly the amount of effort we want to expend. We're not going to alarm-clock ****. We're not some ****** renter alliance.
Also, you're an annoying douchemouth. If you don't start expending more effort they will just learn your times and lower your effect even more. I saw the bar go up in record time. It remained solid blue hour after hour. People continue making a crap ton of money that feeds into BTL and TDF SRP coffers. Step up and do better or go home.
No.
I will expend exactly as much effort as I want to. |

Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
30
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 06:08:00 -
[689] - Quote
Tiye Q wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote: Otherwise BTL and TDF leadership will just wait you out and wont lose much support among the members.
That is going to happen regardless. This latest exercise in hi-sec griefing won't stand the test of time. It will fade. Someone should point out that while the so-called "tear extractors" are carrying the flag of "internet spaceship economists, and incursions are free isk, and the game should be played with a certain level of risk because I said so,etc..." they are happily making lots of isk killing mom sites. Apparently that piece of information has gone unnoticed or intentionally ignored by both sides.
Actually, yesterday all three mom sites were contested, and they lost all three. Don't look now, but there's a chance it isn't about the money.
I like how incursion runners always think there's a profit motive behind things, though. It's a fascinating insight into a very alien mindset. |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
608
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 06:12:00 -
[690] - Quote
Psychotic Monk wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Psychotic Monk wrote:Starfleet, you're not in charge of this ****. We'll expend exactly the amount of effort we want to expend. We're not going to alarm-clock ****. We're not some ****** renter alliance.
Also, you're an annoying douchemouth. If you don't start expending more effort they will just learn your times and lower your effect even more. I saw the bar go up in record time. It remained solid blue hour after hour. People continue making a crap ton of money that feeds into BTL and TDF SRP coffers. Step up and do better or go home. No. I will expend exactly as much effort as I want to.
Fine if you want to be a lazy fail in stopping incursions. Be my guest. The others however may take a more realistic stance. |
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
258
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 06:15:00 -
[691] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Step up and do better or go home. No U.
No, seriously. Form your own. More people to take down the moms can split between the sites and get them down faster. Also it only takes, what, 30-40 people to do it? Hardly a hard task.
Do you think anyone will care if you grief them sooner?
But bitching at someone for doing what you're not is pretty douchy, just saying. http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif |

Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1181
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 06:17:00 -
[692] - Quote
I would like to thank Endeavour Starfleet for an outstanding contribution to worthless shitposting. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |

Callous Jade
Narcissistic Ventures
13
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 06:25:00 -
[693] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Psychotic Monk wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Psychotic Monk wrote:Starfleet, you're not in charge of this ****. We'll expend exactly the amount of effort we want to expend. We're not going to alarm-clock ****. We're not some ****** renter alliance.
Also, you're an annoying douchemouth. If you don't start expending more effort they will just learn your times and lower your effect even more. I saw the bar go up in record time. It remained solid blue hour after hour. People continue making a crap ton of money that feeds into BTL and TDF SRP coffers. Step up and do better or go home. No. I will expend exactly as much effort as I want to. Fine if you want to be a lazy fail in stopping incursions. Be my guest. The others however may take a more realistic stance.
Werent you the same one that was like "hurrdurr they arent really doing anything but whining, its just hurfblurf blahblahblah." Funny...mustve seen something you liked? |

enterprisePSI
Unimatrix 0.1
66
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 06:43:00 -
[694] - Quote
I recently discovered, that tears can fuel poses. The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one.
-«enterprise-psi |

Tiye Q
State War Academy Caldari State
2
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 06:50:00 -
[695] - Quote
Ispia Jaydrath wrote:
I like how incursion runners always think there's a profit motive behind things, though. It's a fascinating insight into a very alien mindset.
This latest interdiction has nothing to do with profit. It's about tear extraction. Nothing more, nothing less.
We all know how incursions work. We know that incursions cannot be completed by the solo pilot with a local tank. Incursions require coordination from FC's, logis, and dps. A failure of one (usually logi) can be catastrophic.
An internet spaceship messiah, decided that incursions pay too much isk, and there is not enough risk involved. That logical fallacy has cascaded into the current mob mentality that is currently called "grief the bears".
What is really unfortunate, is that the messianic complexes in charge of "grief the bears" (the rest are just lemmings) could have used this time and energy to conquer sections of 0.0 and gain very valuable space. Or they could have put together a combined effort to siege a few C5s or C6s. However, that would require real risk... |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1153
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 06:57:00 -
[696] - Quote
Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Psychotic Monk wrote:Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Psychotic Monk wrote:Starfleet, you're not in charge of this ****. We'll expend exactly the amount of effort we want to expend. We're not going to alarm-clock ****. We're not some ****** renter alliance.
Also, you're an annoying douchemouth. If you don't start expending more effort they will just learn your times and lower your effect even more. I saw the bar go up in record time. It remained solid blue hour after hour. People continue making a crap ton of money that feeds into BTL and TDF SRP coffers. Step up and do better or go home. No. I will expend exactly as much effort as I want to. Fine if you want to be a lazy fail in stopping incursions. Be my guest. The others however may take a more realistic stance.
Are you OK?
You have the air of somebody who is not who he wants to be, and knows it in some manner but is afraid to do something about it.
Let go.
|

Callous Jade
Narcissistic Ventures
14
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 07:00:00 -
[697] - Quote
Tiye Q wrote:Ispia Jaydrath wrote:
I like how incursion runners always think there's a profit motive behind things, though. It's a fascinating insight into a very alien mindset.
This latest interdiction has nothing to do with profit. It's about tear extraction. Nothing more, nothing less. We all know how incursions work. We know that incursions cannot be completed by the solo pilot with a local tank. Incursions require coordination from FC's, logis, and dps. A failure of one (usually logi) can be catastrophic. An internet spaceship messiah, decided that incursions pay too much isk, and there is not enough risk involved. That logical fallacy has cascaded into the current mob mentality that is currently called "grief the bears". What is really unfortunate, is that the messianic complexes in charge of "grief the bears" (the rest are just lemmings) could have used this time and energy to conquer sections of 0.0 and gain very valuable space. Or they could have put together a combined effort to siege a few C5s or C6s. However, that would require real risk...
Hahahahaha...wow.
Whatever you have to tell yourself to feel better I guess...
You know there is an old saying that I think really applies to you. "Whenever a player leaves eve for wow, the average IQ of both games goes up." |

Tiye Q
State War Academy Caldari State
2
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 07:07:00 -
[698] - Quote
Callous Jade wrote:
You know there is an old saying that I think really applies to you. "Whenever a player leaves eve for wow, the average IQ of both games goes up."
I never said I would leave EVE. Nor have I ever, nor will I ever play WoW. I don't even know how you made that incredible leap of logic. |

TheGunslinger42
Bite me inc. Narwhals Ate My Duck
14
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 07:21:00 -
[699] - Quote
Oh noes, they killed the last NPC in a PVE site! I cry! |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
822
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 08:32:00 -
[700] - Quote
The bottom line is that all of these incessant arguments about "carebears" vs "griefers" stem from broken mechanics across every area of space.
In the end, those who feel the need to shut down Incursions to prevent "excessive carebear wealth" are doing so because it is currently more fun than whatever game play their home space provides. Fix lowsec, Fix nullsec, and the griefers will fight more interesting wars elsewhere and leave highsec dwellers to their own devices, to collect and polish their shiny ships in peace.
This is no different than the Goon ice interdiction - its really just a symptom of broken nullsec mechanics. If the Goons had wars or challenges that were more entertaining in nullsec, they wouldn't bother with cheap ganks. This is clearly evident from Mitten's recent speech in Delve. Tear collecting is ultimately a filler activitiy.
No matter how vocal these players are on the forums, and no matter how much The Mittani uses the bully pulpit, the bottom line is that the vast majority of EvE players don't sign up to be involved with puppy kicking.
No matter how much it will be continued to be defended as such, griefing is not "what makes EvE awesome". The possibility for it to occur makes EvE unique amongst MMO's, but for most of us, it isn't what makes EvE fun.
Don't get me wrong - there are thousands of players who absolutely signed up to make the weak cry, scream, and wail - and engage in sheer sadistic pleasure wherever it is to be found. But these players are still a minority in the context of the greater game - no matter how much they puff their chests on the forums.
The idea that nullsec powers or those outside of high sec are somehow threatened by an isk faucet in the form of high sec incursions is pretty silly. The very players they chastise for being "risk-adverse" and "cowardly" simply because they live in empire space are not the type of players gaming the economy, or leveraging that accumulated wealth for some kind of massive in-game competitive advantage. Usually, they harm no one. Most of that isk goes to adding even fancier gear to existing blinged out ships.
The fact that players can engage in PvP within an incursion environment (which isn't even the case here - with incursions "griefing" actually just means completing the PvE scenario) is most certainly working-as-intended, as the wealth provided by them was designed to inspire some competitive conflict. It's a stretch to call this "unfair" when players do have mercenary options at their disposal.
Let's just call this what it is - tear collecting is tear collecting, and its not particularly badass as an "endgame" or "sandbox" activity. It's a way to achieve lulz and pass the time, and will disappear as soon as the root causes in nullsec and lowsec are fixed and experienced players decide to worry about their own battles rather than harassing those who simply like to run PvE content. |
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Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
554
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 09:13:00 -
[701] - Quote
Keith Planck wrote:http://i.imgur.com/qkift.jpg
Keith, bro...WTH is that link? Theres no ponies anywhere. You slipping man?
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Another great fleet, another great time. Thanks Krissada and Darius III for this great player-driven live event. This is the stuff that makes the game great.
Don't thank me man. Thank the ALL VOLUNTEER force that makes it happen. Krissada is the man, I'm just a scrub with a minor talent of bringing people together. YOU and PEOPLE LIKE YOU are the future for this event.
The reason that the bears are truly scared is that we are shying away from LFarm/Skunk/Brick and turning this into a more pure pickup fleet getting more and more members. Soon you wont need Krissada or anyone you should just be able to login, check for MS spawn and join the fleet. THATS what is scaring them. That and we took their "power" away by showing that their bans/blacklists don't mean squat. The more they ban, the more support we get
Lady Spank wrote:I like that after all the efforts to disrupt high sec incursions that have been employed, simply doing a little bit of PVE proves the most effective.
Who ever knew that the most tears ever would come from playing the game as intended. I find it most deliciously ironic. Each time before we roll out, I ask for parley with the incursion leaders, each time, they balk at a deal. All the while the players in their elitist channels are missing out on Hundreds of Billions of ISK. This will go on for months v0v
Lady Spank wrote:Ohnoes! . Remove ISK income from all PVE that is removing ISK income from PVE. I like Eve because people smarter than I am play the game. How stupid is CCP? So stupid it took them SEVEN YEARS to make a "loot all' Button. |

Syndic Thrass
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
16
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 09:26:00 -
[702] - Quote
Hahahaha this thread is terrible. You should all go take your autism medicine.
Reguards, Iskies-mommies-toonies-corpies-goonies 0707 m8m8m8 |

Silence iKillYouu
The Innocent Criminals
137
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 09:38:00 -
[703] - Quote
Syndic Thrass wrote:Hahahaha this thread is terrible. You should all go take your autism medicine. U sound mad. Did the bad men take away ur incursion ?
Dullsec sheep http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |

Syndic Thrass
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
16
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 09:44:00 -
[704] - Quote
NOOOOOOOOOOOO MY LITTLE RED BOXES!!!!!!!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRR I SO MAD
Reguards, Iskies-mommies-toonies-corpies-goonies 0707 m8m8m8 |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
15
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 09:53:00 -
[705] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: In the end, those who feel the need to shut down Incursions to prevent "excessive carebear wealth" are doing so because it is currently more fun than whatever game play their home space provides. Fix lowsec, Fix nullsec, and the griefers will fight more interesting wars elsewhere and leave highsec dwellers to their own devices...
...If the Goons had wars or challenges that were more entertaining in nullsec, they wouldn't bother with cheap ganks...
...The idea that nullsec powers or those outside of high sec are somehow threatened by an isk faucet in the form of high sec incursions is pretty silly...
...incursions "griefing" actually just means completing the PvE scenario...
Let's just call this what it is - tear collecting is tear collecting, and its not particularly badass as an "endgame" or "sandbox" activity. It's a way to achieve lulz and pass the time, and will disappear as soon as the root causes in nullsec and lowsec are fixed and experienced players decide to worry about their own battles rather than harassing those who simply like to run PvE content.
Clear, concise and quoted for truth. And notice, all the griefer repsonses are simply moar chest thumping over Tears... It is nice though, that some have dropped the 'Too much ISK for too little risk' idiocy and stood up for their asshattery... I can respect honesty in an asshat.
"Sad little king of a sad little hill." TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
824
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 10:07:00 -
[706] - Quote
Darius III wrote:All the while the players in their elitist channels are missing out on Hundreds of Billions of ISK.
Now THIS made me laugh.
Apparently its now the big bad carebears that are being "elitist" and hoarding all the wealth for themselves?
I've been waving my pitchfork at the wrong crowd all along.....
Thank you for warning us about the great carebear menace. We should totally get CCP to soak those rich bastards with taxes so we can finally achieve some justice and wealth distribution for the rest of us who actually play the game, instead of just farm endless isk for their own selfish, nefarious purposes. 
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Syndic Thrass
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
20
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 10:24:00 -
[707] - Quote
I play the game too but when I die I just get sent the isk for a replacement so why would I shoot little red boxes for hours?
Reguards, Iskies-mommies-toonies-corpies-goonies 0707 m8m8m8 |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
824
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 10:48:00 -
[708] - Quote
Syndic Thrass wrote:I play the game too but when I die I just get sent the isk for a replacement so why would I shoot little red boxes for hours?
No no, you're absolutely right, I keep forgetting the goal is EvE isn't to have fun its to come out in the end with the most tears.
No one really plays EvE for the empire building, or the intense dogfighting of small-gang PvP, or the political intrigue, or the chance to run a fake business, or the chance to play with a simulated market. Nobody really enjoys making stuff for other people, or harvesting resources, or exploration, or diplomacy. They're all lying to you.
If you all haven't been out suicide ganking before, you should give it a try. It's what EvE is all about!! Just ask The Mittani. Once you taste sweet pubbie tears, you'll realize that its the deepest and most rewarding activity this MMO has to offer.....and you'd be stupid to play it any other way.
For all you weaklings who actually have to work to pay for losses - what a bunch of idiots. You foolishly grind the endless isk-faucet Incursion system when you could skip the fights and have your alliance leaders milk bottomless moon goo isk-faucets instead.
That way, you don't even have to play the game!! You don't even need skill to achieve the ultimate goal of collecting noob-scalps, its easy!!! You just get your ship blown up, grab a free replacement, and blow it up again. Why anyone would not want to do this is beyond me.
Thank you, my Goon friend, for explaining to us how "autistic" we all are. I'm relieved to see that you can think independently of your leader and come up with your own insults. |

Leeme Lone
Cosmic Fusion
5
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 14:32:00 -
[709] - Quote
If you are bored in nullsec, drop a few hundred NAPS. |

enterprisePSI
Unimatrix 0.1
66
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 15:38:00 -
[710] - Quote
last night's events. The tears of the many, outweight the tears of the few. Or the one.
-«enterprise-psi |
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Luckytania
Bullets of Justice Damned Nation
32
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 16:37:00 -
[711] - Quote
Dzajic wrote:Killing a specific NPCs for sole purpose to prevent other people farming isk by killing some other NPCs over and over again; and enjoy their rage about it... That is near textbook definition of griefing. Ummm, no. That is a near textbook definition of PvP.
Unless you call it griefing every time I undercut someone's market price on an item. I am thereby preventing them from making a sale.
Or any number of other activities.
Not all PvP is performed by direct application of firepower on another player's ship.
Burning down your corn field makes my harvest more valuable. If your troops starve to death, my well fed troops can more easily carry the day/engagement.
-- "and enjoy their rage about it"
This is irrelevant. Unless Thought Crime is now a part of the game. Any justifiable action, actions providing significant profit or some other advantage gain, is not griefing. Regardless of how much 'grief' the 'collateral damage' might express.
PS: I'm only up to page 23 of this thread. But I'll catch up to the conversation eventually. :) |

Simi Kusoni
The Synergy Cascade Imminent
63
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 16:39:00 -
[712] - Quote
Please let this thread die. |

Luckytania
Bullets of Justice Damned Nation
32
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 16:55:00 -
[713] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Please let this thread die. What!?
I just now got here.
Killjoy. |

Braelyn
Good Vs. Neutral Stop Exploding You Cowards
1
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 17:05:00 -
[714] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Syndic Thrass wrote:I play the game too but when I die I just get sent the isk for a replacement so why would I shoot little red boxes for hours? No no, you're absolutely right, I keep forgetting the goal is EvE isn't to have fun its to come out in the end with the most tears. No one really plays EvE for the empire building, or the intense dogfighting of small-gang PvP, or the political intrigue, or the chance to run a fake business, or the chance to play with a simulated market. Nobody really enjoys making stuff for other people, or harvesting resources, or exploration, or diplomacy. They're all lying to you. If you all haven't been out suicide ganking before, you should give it a try. It's what EvE is all about!! Just ask The Mittani. Once you taste sweet pubbie tears, you'll realize that its the deepest and most rewarding activity this MMO has to offer.....and you'd be stupid to play it any other way. For all you weaklings who actually have to work to pay for losses - what a bunch of idiots. You foolishly grind the endless isk-faucet Incursion system when you could skip the fights and have your alliance leaders milk bottomless moon goo isk-faucets instead.That way, you don't even have to play the game!! You don't even need skill to achieve the ultimate goal of collecting noob-scalps, its easy!!! You just get your ship blown up, grab a free replacement, and blow it up again. Why anyone would not want to do this is beyond me. And on a more serious note - Thank you, my Goon friend, for explaining to us how "autistic" we all are. You saved yourself the hassle of coming up with an insult that wasn't copy-pasted from a Mittens speech, but most importantly you saved us all the hassle of being diagnosed by a real doctor.
Please explain to me how moon goo is introducing new isk into the economy like incursions are. I am tired of people not understanding the difference between what is effectively "printing" more isk, versus an activity that is simply causing isk to change hands. How is it that difficult to understand? |

Luckytania
Bullets of Justice Damned Nation
32
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 17:18:00 -
[715] - Quote
Hoxothul wrote:Concord pays to you defeat Sanshas raiding forces, to protect the citizens of high sec from slavery, no? How exactly are you defending them by keeping the Mothership alive as long as possible so that you can farm the vanguards? Exactly.
The inconvenience to all pilots in affected Constellations is being artificially prolonged for the personal profits of a relatively small number.
Now, if the 'lazy' Incursion Runners perhaps had their rewards garnished to pay all pilots adversely impacted due to the Incursion Runners 'playing with their prey', that might even things up a bit.
Say, perhaps, on the second day of MOM presence 10% of all Incursion derived ISK and LP in a Constellation is deducted from the Incursion payout and gets distributed to all pilots in the Incursion Constellation at downtime, 20% on the third day, 40% on the fourth, 80% on the fifth, 100% on the sixth and any subsequent days.
That might be a motivation to get'r'done / perform the deed for which Concord is paying. Get it done in a timely manner or it doesn't pay sufficiently to be worth doing. (For those running the Incursion / keeping it 'artificially active.)
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Luckytania
Bullets of Justice Damned Nation
32
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 17:28:00 -
[716] - Quote
Simi Kusoni wrote:Please let this thread die. Oh, I see you expressed the same sentiment back on post #520.
Hmmm, I don't think anyone cares. How about you just stop reading it? Is there any impediment to that? |

Tiye Q
State War Academy Caldari State
5
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 17:39:00 -
[717] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:The bottom line is that all of these incessant arguments about "carebears" vs "griefers" stem from broken mechanics across every area of space.
In the end, those who feel the need to shut down Incursions to prevent "excessive carebear wealth" are doing so because it is currently more fun than whatever game play their home space provides. Fix lowsec, Fix nullsec, and the griefers will fight more interesting wars elsewhere and leave highsec dwellers to their own devices, to collect and polish their shiny ships in peace.
This is no different than the Goon ice interdiction - its really just a symptom of broken nullsec mechanics. If the Goons had wars or challenges that were more entertaining in nullsec, they wouldn't bother with cheap ganks. This is clearly evident from Mitten's recent speech in Delve. Tear collecting is ultimately a filler activitiy.
No matter how vocal these players are on the forums, and no matter how much The Mittani uses the bully pulpit, the bottom line is that the vast majority of EvE players don't sign up to be involved with puppy kicking.
No matter how much it will be continued to be defended as such, griefing is not "what makes EvE awesome". The possibility for it to occur makes EvE unique amongst MMO's, but for most of us, it isn't what makes EvE fun.
Don't get me wrong - there are thousands of players who absolutely signed up to make the weak cry, scream, and wail - and engage in sheer sadistic pleasure wherever it is to be found. But these players are still a minority in the context of the greater game - no matter how much they puff their chests on the forums.
The idea that nullsec powers or those outside of high sec are somehow threatened by an isk faucet in the form of high sec incursions is pretty silly. The very players they chastise for being "risk-adverse" and "cowardly" simply because they live in empire space are not the type of players gaming the economy, or leveraging that accumulated wealth for some kind of massive in-game competitive advantage. Usually, they harm no one. Most of that isk goes to adding even fancier gear to existing blinged out ships.
The fact that players can engage in PvP within an incursion environment (which isn't even the case here - with incursions "griefing" actually just means completing the PvE scenario) is most certainly working-as-intended, as the wealth provided by them was designed to inspire some competitive conflict. It's a stretch to call this "unfair" when players do have mercenary options at their disposal.
Let's just call this what it is - tear collecting is tear collecting, and its not particularly badass as an "endgame" or "sandbox" activity. It's a way to achieve lulz and pass the time, and will disappear as soon as the root causes in nullsec and lowsec are fixed and experienced players decide to worry about their own battles rather than harassing those who simply like to run PvE content.
You are 100% correct, and I couldn't agree more. Thank you for bringing logic and reasoning to this matter.
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Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
115
|
Posted - 2012.01.23 18:00:00 -
[718] - Quote
Oh look CCP made a thread about us.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=61055&find=unread
Again I salute all of you o7 well done gentlemen! |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
836
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Posted - 2012.01.23 18:12:00 -
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Braelyn wrote: Please explain to me how moon goo is introducing new isk into the economy like incursions are. I am tired of people not understanding the difference between what is effectively "printing" more isk, versus an activity that is simply causing isk to change hands. How is it that difficult to understand?
Its not difficult to understand, isk faucets and moon goo are not the same thing. Mining doesnt generate isk. It generates goods that can be sold. Bounties, mission rewards, incursions, these print isk into the game. I get that.
The point is, these types of arguments are NOT what drives the type of events promoted by the OP. Lets not pretend our Goon friend or anyone else for that matter engages in these campaigns to "prove" something to CCP, or to "fix" a broken economy.
This is about twisting the knife, and watching people wail. And being entertained by it. plain and simple.
There's no virtue in pointing out an economic technicality when economics have little to do with why people participate in these things in the first place. |

Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2012.01.23 18:16:00 -
[720] - Quote
We're not all of one unified motivation. While many of us are motivated by the tears, some are motivated by things like the economics of it, or the elitism of the incursion-runners. Or all of those things. Or none of those things. |
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Braelyn
Good Vs. Neutral Stop Exploding You Cowards
1
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Posted - 2012.01.23 18:17:00 -
[721] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Braelyn wrote: Please explain to me how moon goo is introducing new isk into the economy like incursions are. I am tired of people not understanding the difference between what is effectively "printing" more isk, versus an activity that is simply causing isk to change hands. How is it that difficult to understand?
Its not difficult to understand, isk faucets and moon goo are not the same thing. Mining doesnt generate isk. It generates goods that can be sold. Bounties, mission rewards, incursions, these print isk into the game. I get that. The point is, these types of arguments are NOT what drives the type of events promoted by the OP. Lets not pretend our Goon friend or anyone else for that matter engages in these campaigns to "prove" something to CCP, or to "fix" a broken economy. This is about twisting the knife, and watching people wail. And being entertained by it. plain and simple. There's no virtue in pointing out an economic technicality when economics have little to do with why people participate in these things in the first place.
You, sir, are the one who likened the one to the other. |

FloppieTheBanjoClown
hotpot inc
785
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Posted - 2012.01.23 18:57:00 -
[722] - Quote
Psychotic Monk wrote:We're not all of one unified motivation. While many of us are motivated by the tears, some are motivated by things like the economics of it, or the elitism of the incursion-runners. Or all of those things. Or none of those things.
Personally, I just like watching fleets of shiny ships running from one end of empire to the other chasing the latest incursion to get a few hours in before it gets closed again. It's...majestic. |

Raleit
Cobalt Brigade Cobalt Holdings Coalition
7
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:06:00 -
[723] - Quote
I understand the whole sandbox concept, so party on with Mother-ship, perhaps you can create a special militia so you can take care of all glitches in the game you you deem unfair. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
160
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:32:00 -
[724] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
The idea that nullsec powers or those outside of high sec are somehow threatened by an isk faucet in the form of high sec incursions is pretty silly. The very players they chastise for being "risk-adverse" and "cowardly" simply because they live in empire space are not the type of players gaming the economy, or leveraging that accumulated wealth for some kind of massive in-game competitive advantage. Usually, they harm no one. Most of that isk goes to adding even fancier gear to existing blinged out ships.
It's not silly and yes they harm all the market niches and the other players who have to share the same items they buy.
The second any kind of interaction happens, nothing, nothing (also see butterly effect) happens in EvE that won't affect someone else.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
160
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:35:00 -
[725] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
For all you weaklings who actually have to work to pay for losses - what a bunch of idiots. You foolishly grind the endless isk-faucet Incursion system when you could skip the fights and have your alliance leaders milk bottomless moon goo isk-faucets instead.
As you say, incursions are an isk faucet. Unlike what you say, mongoo mining is not an isk faucet.
Moon goo is just paid as much as (mostly) hi seccers want to pay for it, with THEIR isk-faucetted money. |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
836
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Posted - 2012.01.23 19:47:00 -
[726] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
The idea that nullsec powers or those outside of high sec are somehow threatened by an isk faucet in the form of high sec incursions is pretty silly. The very players they chastise for being "risk-adverse" and "cowardly" simply because they live in empire space are not the type of players gaming the economy, or leveraging that accumulated wealth for some kind of massive in-game competitive advantage. Usually, they harm no one. Most of that isk goes to adding even fancier gear to existing blinged out ships.
It's not silly and yes they harm all the market niches and the other players who have to share the same items they buy. The second any kind of interaction happens, nothing, nothing (also see butterly effect) happens in EvE that won't affect someone else.
Please elaborate. Let's assume a carebear starts with a Raven. He earns some isk and sells the Raven to buy a Golem. He runs some incursions and buys a faction mod. Does the same buys another faction mod. Cycle repeats, a year later he's got like 6 different battleships, each blinged out completely.
How is he destroying market niches and ruining other player's lives?
The bottom line is, far more nullsec entities use their power and wealth accumulated in 0.0 to harass and influence the events in empire space, than the citizens of empire will ever do to use their power and wealth accumulated through incursions to harass and influence events in nullsec space. |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
836
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Posted - 2012.01.23 20:03:00 -
[727] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
For all you weaklings who actually have to work to pay for losses - what a bunch of idiots. You foolishly grind the endless isk-faucet Incursion system when you could skip the fights and have your alliance leaders milk bottomless moon goo isk-faucets instead.
As you say, incursions are an isk faucet. Unlike what you say, mongoo mining is not an isk faucet. Moon goo is just paid as much as (mostly) hi seccers want to pay for it, with THEIR isk-faucetted money.
Didn't I already clarify this?
My *admitted bad choice of example based on technicality* has nothing to do with the fact that he's still calling someone else an idiot for playing the game when they could accept free isk from other players who are working for it - whether that isk is coming from moon goo sales, or incursion bounties. Thats right, incursion profit. Goons run them as much as anyone else. To chastise players for participating in "clicking red boxes" was utter hypocrisy on his part, all "moons =/= isk faucet" arguments aside.
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Braelyn
Good Vs. Neutral Stop Exploding You Cowards
1
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Posted - 2012.01.23 20:07:00 -
[728] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
The idea that nullsec powers or those outside of high sec are somehow threatened by an isk faucet in the form of high sec incursions is pretty silly. The very players they chastise for being "risk-adverse" and "cowardly" simply because they live in empire space are not the type of players gaming the economy, or leveraging that accumulated wealth for some kind of massive in-game competitive advantage. Usually, they harm no one. Most of that isk goes to adding even fancier gear to existing blinged out ships.
It's not silly and yes they harm all the market niches and the other players who have to share the same items they buy. The second any kind of interaction happens, nothing, nothing (also see butterly effect) happens in EvE that won't affect someone else. Please elaborate. Let's assume a carebear starts with a Raven. He earns some isk and sells the Raven to buy a Golem. He runs some incursions and buys a faction mod. Does the same buys another faction mod. Cycle repeats, a year later he's got like 6 different battleships, each blinged out completely. How is he destroying market niches and harming other players? What *limited*, non-renewable resources is he "camping" by not going out and getting blown up as often as you do? The bottom line is, far more nullsec entities use the power and wealth accumulated in 0.0 to influence events in empire space, than the citizens of empire will ever do to use the power and wealth accumulated through incursions to influence events in nullsec space.
What you don't seem to understand is that this process of creation and destruction is what fuels the economy. These "evil nullsec alliances" are what keeps a significant portion of the industrial sector employed. Where a nullsec alliance has to risk and many times lose tens of billions of isk in a single fight over this "moon goo" or other things you seem to feel are unfair advantages, the empire carebears can grind that same billions of isk per month and not have significant risk of losing *anything*.
I simply cannot understand how you can exude this falsely altruistic attitude whilst condemning nullsec, and all that it contributes to EVE as a whole. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
160
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Posted - 2012.01.23 21:00:00 -
[729] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Please elaborate. Let's assume a carebear starts with a Raven. He earns some isk and sells the Raven to buy a Golem. He runs some incursions and buys a faction mod. Does the same buys another faction mod. Cycle repeats, a year later he's got like 6 different battleships, each blinged out completely.
How is he destroying market niches and harming other players? What *limited*, non-renewable resources is he "camping" by not going out and getting blown up as often as you do?
The bottom line is, far more nullsec entities use the power and wealth accumulated in 0.0 to influence events in empire space, than the citizens of empire will ever do to use the power and wealth accumulated through incursions to influence events in nullsec space.
It's not a "micro" activity.
The guy *statistically* begins with i.e. mining and does not introduce any new ISK in the system. Then he grinds some missions. L1-L3 are an ISK faucet but very small, to the point that even just buying a couple of LP items will cancel the faucet with the LP store sink. Then he grinds L4s. He finishes pimping his ship (more ISK sink via i.e. LP store) and then does the same with a Golem. At this point if he goes to PvP, his ISK is still sunk (he will lose ships). If he just keeps missioning then, he begins to create ISK with far less sink than the bounties + rewards faucets. If he switches to incursions and farms them without killing the MOM, he's getting a MASSIVE ISK faucet running, much more than when he was "a rookie" and still had to pimp his Golem.
Now multiply this for a fleet and for hours a day and you see how the ISK flows in without a statistically relevant flow out.
Since he and the likes are adding ISK in the system at a pace faster than commodities are created, commodities (expecially the ones needed by him) become more in demand and he has to offer more money to get them. This turns on inflation (1% a month, EvE used to have deflation instead) and 1% a month seems little but that's 12% a year.
12% on a 200M item seems little but it does add up!
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
837
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Posted - 2012.01.23 21:43:00 -
[730] - Quote
Braelyn wrote: What you don't seem to understand is that this process of creation and destruction is what fuels the economy. These "evil nullsec alliances" are what keeps a significant portion of the industrial sector employed. Where a nullsec alliance has to risk and many times lose tens of billions of isk in a single fight over this "moon goo" or other things you seem to feel are unfair advantages, the empire carebears can grind that same billions of isk per month and not have significant risk of losing *anything*.
I simply cannot understand how you can exude this falsely altruistic attitude whilst condemning nullsec, and all that it contributes to EVE as a whole.
I completely understand the process of creation and destruction, without consumption of goods there is no economy. In game like EvE where the currency isn't tied to a gold reserve (or similar measure), there needs to be isk sinks (read - 'slposions) to counteract isk faucets (missions / incursions, etc). Otherwise inflation soon renders everything worthless.
The reason I said what I said is that every time I've discussed the role of the highsec market hubs with nullsec dwellers, especially regards to the importance of having more or less secure market hubs (meaning high sec space is necessary for the economy to function) all I've ever heard in return is that the nullsec alliances do not depend on goods produced in high sec, and make everything themselves out there in 0.0.
You seem to reject that notion soundly. My guess is that it depends on the Alliance.
All I was saying is that the motivation behind most of these interference campaigns is the sheer childish glee obtained from watching other players cry, not the economic principles that get whipped out and slapped down on the table in their defense. Also that empire citizens are not aggressively extending their weight into nullsec to interfere with activities out there. These are merely observations, not arguments. Your economic assertions are not incorrect.
The bottom line is, there are more effective ways to send a serious message and build a better economy than screaming "COME AND GET EM BOYZ, GET YOUR GRIEF ON RIGHT HERE THERES PLENTY OF TEARS FOR US ALL"
These kinds of campaigns are symptoms of a game balancing issue. They are not the cure for a game balancing issue. This is exactly what I said in my first post in the thread.
I am in no way condemning nullsec as a whole, I said from the very beginning they deserved to have their broken mechanics fixed. If you read my post, you'd know that I didn't even say that this campaign was unfair. If I'm condemning anything here its (as you put it) the "false altruism" where a bunch of self-described "tear collectors" turn around and pretend that they are "saving" highsec or the game in general from its own broken state.
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Braelyn
Good Vs. Neutral Stop Exploding You Cowards
1
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Posted - 2012.01.23 22:29:00 -
[731] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Braelyn wrote: What you don't seem to understand is that this process of creation and destruction is what fuels the economy. These "evil nullsec alliances" are what keeps a significant portion of the industrial sector employed. Where a nullsec alliance has to risk and many times lose tens of billions of isk in a single fight over this "moon goo" or other things you seem to feel are unfair advantages, the empire carebears can grind that same billions of isk per month and not have significant risk of losing *anything*.
I simply cannot understand how you can exude this falsely altruistic attitude whilst condemning nullsec, and all that it contributes to EVE as a whole.
I completely understand the process of creation and destruction, without consumption of goods there is no economy. In game like EvE where the currency isn't tied to a gold reserve (or similar measure), there needs to be isk sinks (read - 'slposions) to counteract isk faucets (missions / incursions, etc). Otherwise inflation soon renders everything worthless. The reason I said what I said is that every time I've discussed the role of the highsec market hubs with nullsec dwellers, especially regards to the importance of having more or less secure market hubs (meaning high sec space is necessary for the economy to function) all I've ever heard in return is that the nullsec alliances do not depend on goods produced in high sec, and make everything themselves out there in 0.0. You seem to reject that notion soundly. My guess is that it depends on the Alliance. All I was saying is that the motivation behind most of these interference campaigns is the sheer childish glee obtained from watching other players cry, not the economic principles that get whipped out and slapped down on the table in their defense. Also that empire citizens are not aggressively extending their weight into nullsec to interfere with activities out there. These are merely observations, not arguments. Your economic assertions are not incorrect. The bottom line is, there are more effective ways to send a serious message and build a better economy than screaming "COME AND GET EM BOYZ, GET YOUR GRIEF ON RIGHT HERE THERES PLENTY OF TEARS FOR US ALL" These kinds of campaigns are symptoms of a game balancing issue. They are not the cure for a game balancing issue. This is exactly what I said in my first post in the thread. I am in no way condemning nullsec as a whole, I said from the very beginning they deserved to have their broken mechanics fixed. If you read my post, you'd know that I didn't even say that this campaign was unfair. If I'm condemning anything here its (as you put it) the "false altruism" where a bunch of self-described "tear collectors" turn around and pretend that they are "saving" highsec or the game in general from its own broken state.
Whether alliances produce their own goods is rather irrelevant. Whether they are bought from empire market hubs, or private sale through alliance, it still removes a good deal of materials from public consumption. Anyway, that isn't really important.
As far as the whole anti-nullsec thing, I just got that impression from reading a few of your previous posts. I am sorry if that is not the way you feel, but it was the impression I got. Whether people are supposedly "griefing" incursions by completing them as intended is not something I am interested in. The thing I think is important is that it is drawing attention to the issues with the balancing of incursions. If someone thinks it is sadistic for some non-carebears to complete PvE objectives that are otherwise being exploited, then I will ask them to consider how the sanshas must feel about being slowly and painfully slaughtered 23/7 in vanguard sites. |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
27
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Posted - 2012.01.23 22:53:00 -
[732] - Quote
Ispia Jaydrath wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:You would treasure the act of making someone cry? Well at least you can admit how truely deplorable you are. Most evil people are delusional enough to also claim to not be so cruel. That's the point I was making earlier. I dont have a problem with griefers being griefers, I dont have an issue with people hunting each other or going to destroy others well laid plans. I just have a very low opinion of you as, and I use the term loosely, 'persons'. It takes a very insecure, unstable, and troubled individual to take joy in anothers tears. Dont mistake, I'm not crying, its your life to abuse as you please, not mine. I choose to be who I am, you choose to be who you are. I didnt start this arguement either, you guys did. I joined about halfway thru, and now your all attacking me for being different. Oh, and kudos to your success, always good to see plans come to fruition.
I never said I dont get it, I said I dont approve. But I guess that's not allowed by your communist outlook either. If I dont agree with you I'm just wrong? That's ok, I can live with that. And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what we in the business call bitter, bitter tears. <3 And that, ladies and gentleman, and I use both those terms VERY liberally, is what I call deluded. Enjoy your imagined non existant cyber tears. I'm gonna keep playing the game the way I like, and I'm sure your going to keep doing the same. |

Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
34
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Posted - 2012.01.23 23:08:00 -
[733] - Quote
Sin Istersly wrote:Ispia Jaydrath wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:You would treasure the act of making someone cry? Well at least you can admit how truely deplorable you are. Most evil people are delusional enough to also claim to not be so cruel. That's the point I was making earlier. I dont have a problem with griefers being griefers, I dont have an issue with people hunting each other or going to destroy others well laid plans. I just have a very low opinion of you as, and I use the term loosely, 'persons'. It takes a very insecure, unstable, and troubled individual to take joy in anothers tears. Dont mistake, I'm not crying, its your life to abuse as you please, not mine. I choose to be who I am, you choose to be who you are. I didnt start this arguement either, you guys did. I joined about halfway thru, and now your all attacking me for being different. Oh, and kudos to your success, always good to see plans come to fruition.
I never said I dont get it, I said I dont approve. But I guess that's not allowed by your communist outlook either. If I dont agree with you I'm just wrong? That's ok, I can live with that. And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what we in the business call bitter, bitter tears. <3 And that, ladies and gentleman, and I use both those terms VERY liberally, is what I call deluded. Enjoy your imagined non existant cyber tears. I'm gonna keep playing the game the way I like, and I'm sure your going to keep doing the same.
Yeah. I can tell you aren't crying by the way you're frothing with rage about how people you don't like because they are winning a spaceship game are bad people in real life. You seem like a really well-adjusted person, actually. |

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
565
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Posted - 2012.01.24 00:12:00 -
[734] - Quote
Raleit wrote:I understand the whole sandbox concept, so party on with Mother-ship, perhaps you can create a special militia so you can take care of all glitches in the game you you deem unfair.
Actually I used this to make progress towards another of my personal goals as CSM.
I believe that Incursions in addition to Wormholes, need and DESERVE their own sub-forums. It would be so easy to implement in terms of manpower as to make cost a nonissue. To that end I made sure that most of the relevant subforums had their very own Incursion interdiction threadnaughts. I didnt spam it, I just asked in different places what people thought. Other people made either own threads in different places and many of them hit 5,000 reads.
Maybe one day CCP will recognize the value of giving people with segregated play styles their own home on these very forums. Theres no possible harm that can come of it-only good or neutral. There is no way this could harm anyone and an estimated 25,00 - 50,000 people would directly benefit from a few hours coding.
Because I enjoy the tears, because I have had fun trolling as an overseer (read: like a boss) shouldnt take away from the positive goals I and others have worked on. Are my motives pure? Pure as the driven slush...
Rarely have the actions of so few, impacted so many in such a profound manner. The guys who made it happen, in no particular order:
Skunkworks
Kill It With Fire
The overwhelming number of independent pilots, unaffiliated with anyone
Krissada
The all volunteer Bricks that showed up
These are the people who brought victory to our campaign and forced the issue to the boiling point. Great job so far guys, looks like our work will hopefully be done-at some anyway. CCP and even the CSM have a lot of hardworking men and women who are very intelligent, working on making New Eden a better place-it is CCP management that I fear the most. |

Cardval Simalia
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.01.24 00:24:00 -
[735] - Quote
Darius III point about this MOM fleet being open doors is correct. This is taking power away from the elitist carebears proving that incursions are far too easy and far too well paid. Any mismatch fleet can currently kill the MOM faster than the so called organised incursion fleets which are nothing more than assholes playing FC for a day of pretend PVP against NPC's .
If these incursion fleets and FC's are so great and organized simply go out to the low or null sites as they are still up and stop moaning about the closure of high sites. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1158
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Posted - 2012.01.24 02:46:00 -
[736] - Quote
But it would appear that the Empire is wanting to strike back....
T2 Popcorn ready - and so is my T1 MOM Interdiction ship.
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DooDoo Gum
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.01.24 04:49:00 -
[737] - Quote
Hilarious !
Now tell everyone what are you doing with the isk generated through your rage fuelled tantrum ?
The irony is just too much to [care]bear...
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DooDoo Gum
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2012.01.24 04:54:00 -
[738] - Quote
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Psychotic Monk wrote:We're not all of one unified motivation. While many of us are motivated by the tears, some are motivated by things like the economics of it, or the elitism of the incursion-runners. Or all of those things. Or none of those things. Personally, I just like watching fleets of shiny ships running from one end of empire to the other chasing the latest incursion to get a few hours in before it gets closed again. It's...majestic.
You cant seriously tell me that you totally missed the irony in your own comment...
Proof of this in your own words would just make my day, please say it... please... |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
27
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Posted - 2012.01.24 06:22:00 -
[739] - Quote
Ispia Jaydrath wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:Ispia Jaydrath wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:You would treasure the act of making someone cry? Well at least you can admit how truely deplorable you are. Most evil people are delusional enough to also claim to not be so cruel. That's the point I was making earlier. I dont have a problem with griefers being griefers, I dont have an issue with people hunting each other or going to destroy others well laid plans. I just have a very low opinion of you as, and I use the term loosely, 'persons'. It takes a very insecure, unstable, and troubled individual to take joy in anothers tears. Dont mistake, I'm not crying, its your life to abuse as you please, not mine. I choose to be who I am, you choose to be who you are. I didnt start this arguement either, you guys did. I joined about halfway thru, and now your all attacking me for being different. Oh, and kudos to your success, always good to see plans come to fruition.
I never said I dont get it, I said I dont approve. But I guess that's not allowed by your communist outlook either. If I dont agree with you I'm just wrong? That's ok, I can live with that. And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what we in the business call bitter, bitter tears. <3 And that, ladies and gentleman, and I use both those terms VERY liberally, is what I call deluded. Enjoy your imagined non existant cyber tears. I'm gonna keep playing the game the way I like, and I'm sure your going to keep doing the same. Yeah. I can tell you aren't crying by the way you're frothing with rage about how people you don't like because they are winning a spaceship game are bad people in real life. You seem like a really well-adjusted person, actually.
Oh yes, I'm absolutely livid with rage. Clearly. |

Darth Cipherous
Yarrfleet Another Really Stupid Enterprise
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 07:04:00 -
[740] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:[quote=Braelyn] I completely understand the process of creation and destruction, without consumption of goods there is no economy. In game like EvE where the currency isn't tied to a gold reserve (or similar measure), there needs to be isk sinks (read - 'slposions) to counteract isk faucets (missions / incursions, etc). Otherwise inflation soon renders everything worthless.
'slposions aren't isk sinks, they are another faucet. Each explosion introduces MORE isk into the game due to the insurance payout. No isk is destroyed. Every time a ship is destroyed it introduces isk and creates a new demand for materials to replace the ship. More isk + more demand = prices will inflate.
The only isk sinks are the lp stores, a few taxes and whatnot. |
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
BRAPELILLE MACRO BOT MINERS
0
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Posted - 2012.01.24 08:41:00 -
[741] - Quote
Tears are better than BWAINZZZZZ (C) Sansha Nation Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07 or uninstall and DIAF |

Reppyk
The Black Shell
24
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Posted - 2012.01.24 09:08:00 -
[742] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Since he and the likes are adding ISK in the system at a pace faster than commodities are created, commodities (expecially the ones needed by him) become more in demand and he has to offer more money to get them. This turns on inflation (1% a month, EvE used to have deflation instead) and 1% a month seems little but that's 12% a year.
12% on a 200M item seems little but it does add up! 1% a month isn't 12% a year, it's actually higher (1.1^12 = 12.6%). Just sayin'. |

BrokenBC
Incompertus INC Fatal Ascension
10
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Posted - 2012.01.24 10:46:00 -
[743] - Quote
Holy Sh*t Page after page of incredible tears.I dont know wtf everyone is crying about. There are still lots of lowsec and null incursions and they pay more.So whats the problem? there's room for everyone. |

Aren Dar
Griffin Capsuleers Ad-Astra
9
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Posted - 2012.01.24 13:05:00 -
[744] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:[quote=Hans Jagerblitzen] Since he and the likes are adding ISK in the system at a pace faster than commodities are created, commodities (expecially the ones needed by him) become more in demand and he has to offer more money to get them. This turns on inflation (1% a month, EvE used to have deflation instead) and 1% a month seems little but that's 12% a year.
12% on a 200M item seems little but it does add up!
Well, CCP themselves claim that there is no big problem with inflation across the whole of the New Eden economy, and all the statistics they've released tend to back that up. They re-iterate that claim in the CSM minutes.
There are localised rises in some items, but that seems to be more about demand/supply rebalancing than indicative of large scale macro economic changes. |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
841
|
Posted - 2012.01.24 16:12:00 -
[745] - Quote
Darth Cipherous wrote: 'slposions aren't isk sinks, they are another faucet. Each explosion introduces MORE isk into the game due to the insurance payout. No isk is destroyed. Every time a ship is destroyed it introduces isk and creates a new demand for materials to replace the ship. More isk + more demand = prices will inflate.
The only isk sinks are the lp stores, a few taxes and whatnot.
I stand corrected. Thank you for your clarification.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
hotpot inc
786
|
Posted - 2012.01.24 16:33:00 -
[746] - Quote
Aren Dar wrote:Well, CCP themselves claim that there is no big problem with inflation across the whole of the New Eden economy, and all the statistics they've released tend to back that up. They re-iterate that claim in the CSM minutes.
There are localised rises in some items, but that seems to be more about demand/supply rebalancing than indicative of large scale macro economic changes.
I'd be curious to see if the anti-mom campaign has any significant impact on the economy if it goes on for a month. I'm especially interested in PLEX prices, and also certain faction mods and shiny ships that are popular top-tier ships for incursioners. |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
841
|
Posted - 2012.01.24 16:51:00 -
[747] - Quote
Aren Dar wrote:[quote=Vaerah Vahrokha][quote=Hans Jagerblitzen] Since he and the likes are adding ISK in the system at a pace faster than commodities are created, commodities (expecially the ones needed by him) become more in demand and he has to offer more money to get them. This turns on inflation (1% a month, EvE used to have deflation instead) and 1% a month seems little but that's 12% a year.
12% on a 200M item seems little but it does add up!
"He and the likes?" I hope you weren't referring to me. I'm not an incursion runner, hahahah. We ran one once as a militia when they first came out, but got bored and went back to PvP. I'm perpetually broke from combat losses, I only see PvE as a necessary evil to keep my hangar stocked if I've had a bad run, I only grind missions and exploration sites when I absolutely have to.
I'm just a lowsec resident who finds the whole "inflation-gonna-ruin-everything" argument pretty hilarious. I've been playing for two years, and never seen significant price changes for the ships I fly on a regular basis, other than seasonal spikes or temporary market manipulations, but even those usually bounce back. The EvE market is far more resilient than most of us realize I think. Thats why from the beginning here, I was simply pointing out that this kind of campaign is about lulz, not "saving" the game from evil carebear destruction.
Those that front and pretend that this is about saving the economy are, as one poster called it, exuding "false altruism" to defend what is really just a tear collection drive, though I am amused that this time it actually doesn't even involve PvP. |

Aren Dar
Griffin Capsuleers Ad-Astra
10
|
Posted - 2012.01.24 17:35:00 -
[748] - Quote
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Aren Dar wrote:Well, CCP themselves claim that there is no big problem with inflation across the whole of the New Eden economy, and all the statistics they've released tend to back that up. They re-iterate that claim in the CSM minutes.
There are localised rises in some items, but that seems to be more about demand/supply rebalancing than indicative of large scale macro economic changes. I'd be curious to see if the anti-mom campaign has any significant impact on the economy if it goes on for a month. I'm especially interested in PLEX prices, and also certain faction mods and shiny ships that are popular top-tier ships for incursioners.
I'm sure that there are localised prices rises in some ships/fittings that are used heavily in incursions, equally some prices have spiked and come down as the market reacts to increased demand. That's not economy wide inflation though - no more than when 1400mm Artillery IIs and Maelstroms went up in price on the back of fleet doctrines.
PLEX rises could be many things - including returning players trying out the new expansion and funding themselves with ISK.
CCP doesn't think there is unusual levels of inflation, and apparently the CSM accepted their arguments. |

Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro In Vitro.
277
|
Posted - 2012.01.24 22:51:00 -
[749] - Quote
I wrote a thing. It's about incursions.
It's even got a pacman pie-chart.  Help rid New Eden of T2 BPOs:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60370 The Full Pocket Aggro blog:-á http://fullpocketaggro.blogspot.com/ Now showing: The incursion situation |

drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
32
|
Posted - 2012.01.24 23:06:00 -
[750] - Quote
If everyone is so upset about risk vs reward.. .just let me add.. that if you are in an alliance in null.. there is almost zero risk in farming anoms and belt rats. You have intel channels and local to pre warn you of any danger. I have a toon in NULL and I can happily farm anoms all day in my PVE tengu without a care in the world. I worry more about being ganked in HS in a faction fitted ship than I do in the NULL pocket my alliance is in. |
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Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro In Vitro.
277
|
Posted - 2012.01.24 23:08:00 -
[751] - Quote
It's that the risk/reward is out of whack with the comparable risk categories. Those being alliance protected anoms/ratting and high-sec L4s.
next? Help rid New Eden of T2 BPOs:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=60370 The Full Pocket Aggro blog:-á http://fullpocketaggro.blogspot.com/ Now showing: The incursion situation |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
15
|
Posted - 2012.01.25 05:50:00 -
[752] - Quote
The problem here is with "emergent gameplay" in an unscripted, unmoderated "sandbox"...
it's just like Bill Cosby said... Bill - "Why do you do c0cain3?" Amswer - "Because it enhances your personality!" Bill - "Yes, but what if you're an a$$hole?"
LOL TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
359
|
Posted - 2012.01.25 06:01:00 -
[753] - Quote
drdxie wrote:If everyone is so upset about risk vs reward.. .just let me add.. that if you are in an alliance in null.. there is almost zero risk in farming anoms and belt rats. You have intel channels and local to pre warn you of any danger. I have a toon in NULL and I can happily farm anoms all day in my PVE tengu without a care in the world. I worry more about being ganked in HS in a faction fitted ship than I do in the NULL pocket my alliance is in. Sorry, those things all take alot of work to keep going. Do you know how hard it is to keep intel channels from becoming useless while people talk about how X hostiles avatar looks like their math teacher?
Those things in nullsec are not provided by CCP. We worked to make them a reality. How much work did you do for your safe isk making? o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
mUfFiN fAcToRy Psychotic Tendencies.
887
|
Posted - 2012.01.25 06:15:00 -
[754] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:drdxie wrote:If everyone is so upset about risk vs reward.. .just let me add.. that if you are in an alliance in null.. there is almost zero risk in farming anoms and belt rats. You have intel channels and local to pre warn you of any danger. I have a toon in NULL and I can happily farm anoms all day in my PVE tengu without a care in the world. I worry more about being ganked in HS in a faction fitted ship than I do in the NULL pocket my alliance is in. Sorry, those things all take alot of work to keep going. Do you know how hard it is to keep intel channels from becoming useless while people talk about how X hostiles avatar looks like their math teacher? Those things in nullsec are not provided by CCP. We worked to make them a reality. How much work did you do for your safe isk making?
Lauren Hellfury looks just like one of my exes... we should totally make out  |

Elson Tamar
Lion Investments
95
|
Posted - 2012.01.25 10:19:00 -
[755] - Quote
+1 for doing somthing rather than moaning, well done you. i dont care about incursions one way or the other atm, will probably get into them at some point, however i aplaude you for bothering to do somthing rather than moan, and not only that you are doing somthing constructive, not destructive, to meet you aims. I wondered how long it would take for someone to realise that if they wanted to hit incursions this was the way to do it. More clever people like you please. |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
844
|
Posted - 2012.01.25 13:44:00 -
[756] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:drdxie wrote:If everyone is so upset about risk vs reward.. .just let me add.. that if you are in an alliance in null.. there is almost zero risk in farming anoms and belt rats. You have intel channels and local to pre warn you of any danger. I have a toon in NULL and I can happily farm anoms all day in my PVE tengu without a care in the world. I worry more about being ganked in HS in a faction fitted ship than I do in the NULL pocket my alliance is in. Sorry, those things all take alot of work to keep going. Do you know how hard it is to keep intel channels from becoming useless while people talk about how X hostiles avatar looks like their math teacher? Those things in nullsec are not provided by CCP. We worked to make them a reality. How much work did you do for your safe isk making?
This is why I continue to argue that highsec residents deserve a better set of gameplay tools to take security into their own hands. The bounty system is outdated and lackluster, non-transferrable killrights do nothing to foster a player-driven security economy, and the result is that those that get crucified for being "carebears" have no resources at their disposal to actually make high-security space safe themselves.
Despite all the tears about how privileged high sec residents are, the bottom line is the mechanics still favor the prankster. Ganking in highsec is (literally) child's play, as any 12-year old with a Brutix, a few million skillpoints, and an hour lesson from a Goon instructor can engage in this freely for as long as he wants, paid for by isk he didn't even have to work for. I'm not exaggerating here, this is what The Mittani has gloated about continuously since stepping into the public spotlight.
This whole "carebears don't want to play in the sandbox" whine is really rooted in the narrow-minded assumption that risk = loss. Miners, manufacturers, and especially market traders often take large risks to achieve a profit, even if that risk is of a financial nature instead of physical harm. Players that enjoy that half of the game are told by those that enjoy shooting that they must regularly bend over and expose themselves to a hearty spanking or else they don't belong in the game. This is horseshit.
For a real sandbox filled with emergent gameplay to thrive, we need to move beyond conflict = guns and risk = death. Players deserve choice in the activities that they engage in, and undocking to the possibility that a bunch of kids will pop your ship is still an interference to free gameplay. Its annoying, it doesnt "teach" anyone anything, it doesnt create "immersion" as it interrupts those trying to enjoy market PvP and opt for a different type of conflict than the combat pilots enjoy.
I have no sympathy for those that think there should be a guns-off, flag-yourself-for-PvP zone in the game. However, safety zones where ganks are *possible* but present a significant challenge, are necessary to protect full gameplay diversity. But its NOT any genuine challenge today, so in the mean time highsec players are hamstringed without the ability to defend themselves against long-term shenanigans like the ice interdiction. Its not their fault that CCP hasn't looked more at developing player-centric bounties, wardecs, CONCORD, crimewatch, etc. Highsec space should be an area where players can enjoy activities with a reduced chance of ship loss. But they should be able to make it difficult for the pranksters to create that chance of loss, instead of being forced to rely on this crappy substitute in the form of NPC police.
As a lowsec resident and FW pilot who enjoys nothing more in the game than to log on, get some kills, lose some ships, and have a laugh, I get sick of seeing suicide attacks described as "PvP" and hearing people continually describe gankage as "what makes EvE a sandbox". It requires no skill, just an isk fee, and those that cant engage in it as often as they want keep crying about "EvE becoming WoW". Its silly. There is loss that is fun (I have no bad feelings when I've gone up against a good enemy, done my best, and loss) and there is loss that is tear-your-hair-out-frustrating. If we're going to clean up things like POS mechanics, UI, and other features of the game to eliminate setbacks and frustration, reducing childish pranks is as justified as any other fix that makes gameplay more fluid and fun. |

drdxie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
32
|
Posted - 2012.01.25 20:12:00 -
[757] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:drdxie wrote:If everyone is so upset about risk vs reward.. .just let me add.. that if you are in an alliance in null.. there is almost zero risk in farming anoms and belt rats. You have intel channels and local to pre warn you of any danger. I have a toon in NULL and I can happily farm anoms all day in my PVE tengu without a care in the world. I worry more about being ganked in HS in a faction fitted ship than I do in the NULL pocket my alliance is in. Sorry, those things all take alot of work to keep going. Do you know how hard it is to keep intel channels from becoming useless while people talk about how X hostiles avatar looks like their math teacher? Those things in nullsec are not provided by CCP. We worked to make them a reality. How much work did you do for your safe isk making?
Most of my isk is made from wormholes.. so I have done a lot to make it as safe as a wh can be. As far as NULL, I happily get involved in PVP, thats why I am there after all, so I do help to make it safe for myself. If NULL corps made it easier for players get into, you would probably see a lot more people going there.. 25mil SP to find a decent home is silly.. with 10mil SP you can properly fly any BC.. the backbone of any NULL blob. So instead of whining about incursions.. do something to attract new players to NULL... You lot are acting like spoilt little brats who didn't get the biggest slice of cake for once... Griefers I get.. NULL and WH whiners I don't. |

Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
361
|
Posted - 2012.01.25 20:31:00 -
[758] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:drdxie wrote:If everyone is so upset about risk vs reward.. .just let me add.. that if you are in an alliance in null.. there is almost zero risk in farming anoms and belt rats. You have intel channels and local to pre warn you of any danger. I have a toon in NULL and I can happily farm anoms all day in my PVE tengu without a care in the world. I worry more about being ganked in HS in a faction fitted ship than I do in the NULL pocket my alliance is in. Sorry, those things all take alot of work to keep going. Do you know how hard it is to keep intel channels from becoming useless while people talk about how X hostiles avatar looks like their math teacher? Those things in nullsec are not provided by CCP. We worked to make them a reality. How much work did you do for your safe isk making? This is why I continue to argue that highsec residents deserve a better set of gameplay tools to take security into their own hands. The bounty system is outdated and lackluster, non-transferrable killrights do nothing to foster a player-driven security economy, and the result is that those that get crucified for being "carebears" have no resources at their disposal to actually make high-security space safe themselves. Despite all the tears about how privileged high sec residents are, the bottom line is the mechanics still favor the prankster. Ganking in highsec is (literally) child's play, as any 12-year old with a Brutix, a few million skillpoints, and an hour lesson from a Goon instructor can engage in this freely for as long as he wants, paid for by isk he didn't even have to work for. I'm not exaggerating here, this is what The Mittani has gloated about continuously since stepping into the public spotlight. This whole "carebears don't want to play in the sandbox" whine is really rooted in the narrow-minded assumption that risk = ship death. Miners, manufacturers, and especially market traders often take large risks to achieve a profit, even if that risk is of a financial nature instead of physical harm. Players that enjoy that half of the game are told by those that enjoy shooting that they must regularly bend over and suffer from regular ship loss or else they don't belong in the game. This is horseshit. I have no interest in having a guns-off, flag-yourself-for-PvP zone in the game. However, select areas of space where ganks are *possible* but still present a significant challenge to the aggressor, should be allowed to protect gameplay diversity. The problem is that unsolicited highsec aggression is NOT any genuine challenge today, because empire citizens lack the ability to defend themselves against long-term shenanigans like the ice interdiction. Its not their fault that CCP hasn't looked more at developing player-centric bounties, wardecs, CONCORD, crimewatch, etc. Highsec space should be an area where players can enjoy activities with a reduced chance of ship loss. But they should be able to make it difficult for the pranksters instead of being forced to rely on this crappy substitute in the form of NPC police. As a lowsec resident and FW pilot who enjoys nothing more in the game than to log on, get some kills, lose some ships, and have a laugh, I get sick of hearing suicide attacks called "PvP" and that "gankage is what makes EvE a sandbox". Thats not why most players play EvE. There is loss that is fun (I have no bad feelings when I've gone up against a good enemy and lost) and there is loss that is tear-your-hair-out-frustrating. If we're going to clean up things like POS mechanics, UI, and other features of the game to eliminate setbacks and frustration, reducing childish pranks is as justified as any other fix that makes gameplay more fluid and fun.
I'm gonna say that a truely safe highsec, with all rewards nerfed into the ground would be more or less perfect, and this ties into issues with the NPE. In this vision, lowsec and higsec would merge, with a smaller area set to true highsec, but places like Jita should be in it.
Tradeable kill rights and a wardec/aggression system that aren't broken would work well too, as far issues that don't require a complete rewrite of the concept of the game as we know it, tho. I understand those are works in progress. o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
361
|
Posted - 2012.01.25 20:34:00 -
[759] - Quote
drdxie wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:drdxie wrote:If everyone is so upset about risk vs reward.. .just let me add.. that if you are in an alliance in null.. there is almost zero risk in farming anoms and belt rats. You have intel channels and local to pre warn you of any danger. I have a toon in NULL and I can happily farm anoms all day in my PVE tengu without a care in the world. I worry more about being ganked in HS in a faction fitted ship than I do in the NULL pocket my alliance is in. Sorry, those things all take alot of work to keep going. Do you know how hard it is to keep intel channels from becoming useless while people talk about how X hostiles avatar looks like their math teacher? Those things in nullsec are not provided by CCP. We worked to make them a reality. How much work did you do for your safe isk making? Most of my isk is made from wormholes.. so I have done a lot to make it as safe as a wh can be. As far as NULL, I happily get involved in PVP, thats why I am there after all, so I do help to make it safe for myself. If NULL corps made it easier for players get into, you would probably see a lot more people going there.. 25mil SP to find a decent home is silly.. with 10mil SP you can properly fly any BC.. the backbone of any NULL blob. So instead of whining about incursions.. do something to attract new players to NULL... You lot are acting like spoilt little brats who didn't get the biggest slice of cake for once... Griefers I get.. NULL and WH whiners I don't.
I dunno who you applied with, but CFC as a whole doesn't have real high requirements, and my corp in particular is very newbie friendly. I've personally recruited a couple people who, while being highsec vets, brought fairly low sp characters out to join us, and I've screen more who screening consisted of seeing a newbie account, and an interview.
Not all of null is made up of elitists, and CFC is particular welcome noobs. We do, after all, pride ourselves on being bad at eve  o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
361
|
Posted - 2012.01.25 20:34:00 -
[760] - Quote
Triple post ftw!!! o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
hotpot inc
788
|
Posted - 2012.01.25 21:02:00 -
[761] - Quote
Elson Tamar wrote:I wondered how long it would take for someone to realise that if they wanted to hit incursions this was the way to do it. .
The Skunkworks talked about doing it months ago, we just never had the numbers. It took Lead Farmers and Brick getting involved before it became a reality. |

Blake Zacary
Volatile Technology Industry and Investments
5
|
Posted - 2012.01.25 22:11:00 -
[762] - Quote
All this thread needs now is Darius to post saying,not only was this a way to troll the bears but a way to troll the pvper's into carebearing  |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
191
|
Posted - 2012.01.26 00:27:00 -
[763] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: I'm just a lowsec resident who finds the whole "inflation-gonna-ruin-everything" argument pretty hilarious. I've been playing for two years, and never seen significant price changes for the ships I fly on a regular basis, other than seasonal spikes or temporary market manipulations, but even those usually bounce back. The EvE market is far more resilient than most of us realize I think.
The fact that published numbers (over months) state that for the first time in years EvE turned from deflation to inflation proves that it's neither a seasonal spike nor a anything else. You may go check prices over the last years on sites like EvEMarketeer.com and see items steadily rising across the months, even during the summer.
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: Those that front and pretend that this is about saving the economy are, as one poster called it, exuding "false altruism" to defend what is really just a tear collection drive, though I am amused that this time it actually doesn't even involve PvP.
I don't give a crap about false altruism. I have just tried a slew of other MMOs and they all suck hard balls. Only EvE is left that is a good game. I want EvE to go ahead for another 8 years and this involves keeping his economy healthy. Call this however you want.
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Tian Nu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
35
|
Posted - 2012.01.26 01:16:00 -
[764] - Quote
Vareah i don't know what price you guys debate but is about plex they always drop before summer (no one play the game ppl go out ) and start to rize again in september usualy if there is nice expension the price go up by few hundred millions.
you guys can search my posts as i usualy always buy GTC one year ahaid for the next year and trace the prices no need web site. |

Agonis
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
|
Posted - 2012.01.26 01:19:00 -
[765] - Quote
Krissada wrote:Well this is exactly why we want them all to know we are coming and they can't do nothing about it. Even if they try to do something it would just be so much more sweet when carebears have actually done a criminal act and lowered their security status.
For haven't we fulfilled one of the most epic goals in EVE? Turning carebears into aggressive and dangerous PVP'ers? One way or another some would argue that suicide blackbird jamming is not real PvP. If we make carebears go against us it is one step closer to their salvation and them shedding their title as carebears. Only then can I see myself as being victorious. This is why we are calling out public. We want you to fight us with everything you got, we want you to come out of your caves and roar at us. We want you to DO SOMETHING AND STOP CRYING.
You truly whine far to much.
Carebears aren't going to change anymore than ranting idiots such as yourself are going to change.
This whole thing had it's 15 minutes of fame and accomplishes nothing at the end of the day. Go do something productive like stopping the Russians from making a living off Eve since CCP refuses to put them on their own server so they aren't ISK selling for real cash.
Then you might actually be doing something... dare I says.. Productive. |

Tian Nu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
35
|
Posted - 2012.01.26 01:21:00 -
[766] - Quote
Blake Zacary wrote:All this thread needs now is Darius to post saying,not only was this a way to troll the bears but a way to troll the pvper's into carebearing 
seeng that they can't get fleets to shoot down mom sites any more he may just take you up on that one  |

Callous Jade
Narcissistic Ventures
14
|
Posted - 2012.01.26 01:24:00 -
[767] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:drdxie wrote:If everyone is so upset about risk vs reward.. .just let me add.. that if you are in an alliance in null.. there is almost zero risk in farming anoms and belt rats. You have intel channels and local to pre warn you of any danger. I have a toon in NULL and I can happily farm anoms all day in my PVE tengu without a care in the world. I worry more about being ganked in HS in a faction fitted ship than I do in the NULL pocket my alliance is in. Sorry, those things all take alot of work to keep going. Do you know how hard it is to keep intel channels from becoming useless while people talk about how X hostiles avatar looks like their math teacher? Those things in nullsec are not provided by CCP. We worked to make them a reality. How much work did you do for your safe isk making? This is why I continue to argue that highsec residents deserve a better set of gameplay tools to take security into their own hands. The bounty system is outdated and lackluster, non-transferrable killrights do nothing to foster a player-driven security economy, and the result is that those that get crucified for being "carebears" have no resources at their disposal to actually make high-security space safe themselves. Despite all the tears about how privileged high sec residents are, the bottom line is the mechanics still favor the prankster. Ganking in highsec is (literally) child's play, as any 12-year old with a Brutix, a few million skillpoints, and an hour lesson from a Goon instructor can engage in this freely for as long as he wants, paid for by isk he didn't even have to work for. I'm not exaggerating here, this is what The Mittani has gloated about continuously since stepping into the public spotlight. This whole "carebears don't want to play in the sandbox" whine is really rooted in the narrow-minded assumption that risk = ship death. Miners, manufacturers, and especially market traders often take large risks to achieve a profit, even if that risk is of a financial nature instead of physical harm. Players that enjoy that half of the game are told by those that enjoy shooting that they must regularly bend over and suffer from regular ship loss or else they don't belong in the game. This is horseshit. I have no interest in having a guns-off, flag-yourself-for-PvP zone in the game. However, select areas of space where ganks are *possible* but still present a significant challenge to the aggressor, should be allowed to protect gameplay diversity. The problem is that unsolicited highsec aggression is NOT any genuine challenge today, because empire citizens lack the ability to defend themselves against long-term shenanigans like the ice interdiction. Its not their fault that CCP hasn't looked more at developing player-centric bounties, wardecs, CONCORD, crimewatch, etc. Highsec space should be an area where players can enjoy activities with a reduced chance of ship loss. But they should be able to make it difficult for the pranksters instead of being forced to rely on this crappy substitute in the form of NPC police. As a lowsec resident and FW pilot who enjoys nothing more in the game than to log on, get some kills, lose some ships, and have a laugh, I get sick of hearing suicide attacks called "PvP" and that "gankage is what makes EvE a sandbox". Thats not why most players play EvE. There is loss that is fun (I have no bad feelings when I've gone up against a good enemy and lost) and there is loss that is tear-your-hair-out-frustrating. If we're going to clean up things like POS mechanics, UI, and other features of the game to eliminate setbacks and frustration, reducing childish pranks is as justified as any other fix that makes gameplay more fluid and fun.
Some facts I have extrapolated from my observations.
1. Killrights are a perfectly viable means of retribution, particularly against "soft targets" like suicide gank tornados.
2. Carebears dont use them.
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
851
|
Posted - 2012.01.26 01:53:00 -
[768] - Quote
Callous Jade wrote: Some facts I have extrapolated from my observations.
1. Killrights are a perfectly viable means of retribution, particularly against "soft targets" like suicide gank tornados.
2. Carebears dont use them.
Killrights aren't used much because they are extremely limited in scope. You can only kill the person who killed you, which depends, of course on factors such as:
a) Actually running into that same character again b) Having the proper ship setup at that time to kill them c) Even having the skill / skill points to actually defeat them in the first place.
I'm not a carebear, and I've never used my killrights, mostly because of (a).
The current setup favors the random ganker. He can travel to a new area, lay waste to a bunch of noobs, than move on, knowing he probably won't see those victims again before the killrights expire, or that if he does he'll still have the upper hand in a fight.
I believe in a free-market security economy, where you can pay another player to utilize your killrights. No different than contract killing, really, but even that system in this game is also completely broken.
Why? Because bounties are only awarded for pod kills. In high and lowsec, with no bubbles, being able to catch the pod of any pilot who knows what they are doing is extremely situational. Any talented PvP pilot not operating in nullsec can get his pod out of a fight 100% of the time barring a mistake, or lag.
The result is that one of the most classic science fiction professions (alongside smuggling and piracy) - becomes functionally useless in the EvE universe. Bounty hunters patrolling highsec or lowsec looking to avenge the weak (for a paycheck, of course) face the most impossible and masochistic of challenges.
Even a simple change like awarding bounties for ship loss instead of pod loss would be light years ahead of where we are now in terms of elevating bounty hunting as a fun, profitable venture.
Players would absolutely use locator agents, stalk victims, set traps, and make hay if they could do this by catching ships. But most pilots in their right minds are not going to make a profession out of pod-catching other professional PvP'ers in the heart of empire space. |

EnslaverOfMinmatar
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.01.26 07:15:00 -
[769] - Quote
Blake Zacary wrote:All this thread needs now is Darius to post saying,not only was this a way to troll the bears but a way to troll the pvper's into carebearing 
I don't mind 1 hour of carebearing if I get 20 killmails in the process. Every EVE player must read this http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=29-01-07 or uninstall and DIAF |

Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
362
|
Posted - 2012.01.26 07:52:00 -
[770] - Quote
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: Why? Because bounties are only awarded for pod kills. In high and lowsec, with no bubbles, being able to catch the pod of any pilot who knows what they are doing is extremely situational. Any talented PvP pilot not operating in nullsec can get his pod out of a fight 100% of the time barring a mistake, or lag.
There is no talent. All you need to do is pay attention, and start spamming warp to a random celestial when you know the next hit is gonna kill ya. When your pod pops out of your wreck, you insta warp.
Lag and inattention are the only real threats to pods outside of null.
Edit: Or accidentally picking as your random warpout the celestial you are on, but that falls under inattention in my book  o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
192
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Posted - 2012.01.26 09:41:00 -
[771] - Quote
Tian Nu wrote:Vareah i don't know what price you guys debate but is about plex they always drop before summer (no one play the game ppl go out ) and start to rize again in september usualy if there is nice expension the price go up by few hundred millions.
you guys can search my posts as i usualy always buy GTC one year ahaid for the next year and trace the prices no need web site.
Yes prices drop before summer but the last year has not been a case of PLEX = X, drop to Y, then resume to X when demands picks up again. It's been PLEX = X, drop to Y + Z just below X, then resume to X + Z. Z is the inflation effect.
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote: The current setup favors the random ganker. He can travel to a new area, lay waste to a bunch of noobs, than move on, knowing he probably won't see those victims again before the killrights expire, or that if he does he'll still have the upper hand in a fight.
I believe in a free-market security economy, where you can pay another player to utilize your killrights. No different than contract killing, really, but even that system in this game is also completely broken.
Why? Because bounties are only awarded for pod kills. In high and lowsec, with no bubbles, being able to catch the pod of any pilot who knows what they are doing is extremely situational. Any talented PvP pilot not operating in nullsec can get his pod out of a fight 100% of the time barring a mistake, or lag.
The result is that one of the most classic science fiction professions (alongside smuggling and piracy) - becomes functionally useless in the EvE universe. Bounty hunters patrolling highsec or lowsec looking to avenge the weak (for a paycheck, of course) face the most impossible and masochistic of challenges.
Even a simple change like awarding bounties for ship loss instead of pod loss would be light years ahead of where we are now in terms of elevating bounty hunting as a fun, profitable venture.
Players would absolutely use locator agents, stalk victims, set traps, and make hay if they could do this by catching ships. But most pilots in their right minds are not going to make a profession out of pod-catching other professional PvP'ers in the heart of empire space.
I see a couple of flaws in your reasonment (expecially talking about general ganking not incursions).
1) Gank pilots are usually expendable. You'll probably never meet the same guy again because he's biomassed. Even for incursions, they don't need real incursion proof high SP pilots, just one that "fakes" it. Knowing the pilot is "burned" (banned) once discovered actually promotes this.
2) Gank boats are usually cheap throwaways. Good luck convincing a "professional" stalking something worth a couple millions.
Basically what you really miss is the link to their main, which barring drastic EvE changes, you'll never find and might never come to high sec or might never undock. |

Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
579
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Posted - 2012.01.26 11:03:00 -
[772] - Quote
Blake Zacary wrote:All this thread needs now is Darius to post saying,not only was this a way to troll the bears but a way to troll the pvper's into carebearing 
Hey you-Get out of my head and stop reading my private mails!
Tian Nu wrote:seeng that they can't get fleets to shoot down mom sites any more he may just take you up on that one 
You are a moron. Just a typical moron though, not a superstar moron like ENDEVOR.
I understand that because we form up on weekends and kill all the moms in empire people like to think that we will always do it every time. I like that theres some guy who was telling BTL / TDF that his "blackbird fleet is the only reason we didnt come" yesterday.
You arent even good Bears, if you were good Bears, and had some guts and any brains-you would be out hunting for the new 4 Billion ISK Invuls that drop from plexes that take 20 minutes to finish. Brick members got 2 A-type and and some B,C types over the last days.
As it is, this is only a very minor side job for Bricks. We don't have to form to kill every Mom every time, and we wont. We'll come when we want, if we want. The coalition doesnt need me, doesnt need Brick, doesnt need Krissada. All the interdiction fleets need is some guys to make it happen.
Believe it or not carebears, it really isnt about you/your incursions etc. It doesnt mean that mean that much to me to mean that much to you. A single day goes by without us killng your farmville NPC's and suddenly you are on top of the world telling people "they cant get a fleet together" LOLS.
CCP and even the CSM have a lot of hardworking men and women who are very intelligent, working on making New Eden a better place-it is CCP management that I fear the most. |

Tian Nu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.01.26 11:26:00 -
[773] - Quote
Darius III wrote:Blake Zacary wrote:All this thread needs now is Darius to post saying,not only was this a way to troll the bears but a way to troll the pvper's into carebearing  Hey you-Get out of my head and stop reading my private mails! Tian Nu wrote:seeng that they can't get fleets to shoot down mom sites any more he may just take you up on that one  You are a moron. Just a typical moron though, not a superstar moron like ENDEVOR. I understand that because we form up on weekends and kill all the moms in empire people like to think that we will always do it every time. I like that theres some guy who was telling BTL / TDF that his "blackbird fleet is the only reason we didnt come" yesterday. You arent even good Bears, if you were good Bears, and had some guts and any brains-you would be out hunting for the new 4 Billion ISK Invuls that drop from plexes that take 20 minutes to finish. Brick members got 2 A-type and and some B,C types over the last days. As it is, this is only a very minor side job for Bricks. We don't have to form to kill every Mom every time, and we wont. We'll come when we want, if we want. The coalition doesnt need me, doesnt need Brick, doesnt need Krissada. All the interdiction fleets need is some guys to make it happen. Believe it or not carebears, it really isnt about you/your incursions etc. It doesnt mean that mean that much to me to mean that much to you. A single day goes by without us killng your farmville NPC's and suddenly you are on top of the world telling people "they cant get a fleet together" LOLS.
I agree youre tears are the best, ty for those. Keep begging for fleet on coms and i cast you my CSM vote. Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: GÇ£Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.GÇ¥ |

Aren Dar
Griffin Capsuleers Ad-Astra
10
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Posted - 2012.01.26 12:09:00 -
[774] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: The fact that published numbers (over months) state that for the first time in years EvE turned from deflation to inflation proves that it's neither a seasonal spike nor a anything else.
CCP state that the economy has experienced 'steady' inflation of about 1% a month for the last year and a half. That predates the incursion expansion.
Taken on it's own all that indicates is that at some point in the past the economy shifted from deflation to inflation, and incursions were unrelated to that change. |

Amarr Citizen 532532632
Hedion University Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.01.26 12:12:00 -
[775] - Quote
Darius III wrote:
As it is, this is only a very minor side job for Bricks......
See also: Lies.
Darius III wrote:
Believe it or not carebears, it really isnt about you/your incursions etc. It doesnt mean that mean that much to me to mean that much to you. A single day goes by without us killng your farmville NPC's and suddenly you are on top of the world telling people "they cant get a fleet together" LOLS.
QQ?
CSM tears. Best tears. |

Endeavour Starfleet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
615
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Posted - 2012.01.26 12:56:00 -
[776] - Quote
It is Endeavour the U is there for a reason. Such as the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Endeavour Or the Space shuttle. |

Tian Nu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
35
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Posted - 2012.01.26 13:07:00 -
[777] - Quote
Darius III wrote: Soon you will not be able to count on having an incursion available to you 23/7. We will be killing the rest of the MS all at one time in a few days if negotiations with the BLT and TDF leaders fall apart.
Darius III wrote: Soon you will not be able to count on having an incursion available to you on weekends. We will be killing the rest of the MS all at one time in a few days if negotiations with the BLT and TDF leaders fall apart.
I fixed it for you  Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: GÇ£Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.GÇ¥ |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1166
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Posted - 2012.01.26 15:58:00 -
[778] - Quote
Tian Nu wrote:Darius III wrote: Soon you will not be able to count on having an incursion available to you 23/7. We will be killing the rest of the MS all at one time in a few days if negotiations with the BLT and TDF leaders fall apart.
Darius III wrote: Soon you will not be able to count on having an incursion available to you on weekends. We will be killing the rest of the MS all at one time in a few days if negotiations with the BLT and TDF leaders fall apart.
I fixed it for you 
Are you proud of not having a job? |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
194
|
Posted - 2012.01.26 18:18:00 -
[779] - Quote
Aren Dar wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: The fact that published numbers (over months) state that for the first time in years EvE turned from deflation to inflation proves that it's neither a seasonal spike nor a anything else.
CCP state that the economy has experienced 'steady' inflation of about 1% a month for the last year and a half. That predates the incursion expansion. Taken on it's own all that indicates is that at some point in the past the economy shifted from deflation to inflation, and incursions were unrelated to that change.
It indicates that the nerfs done on other features (i.e. insurance, missions) were not enough to counter the ISK faucets of that time, and then a new massive ISK faucet has been planted on top of the already excessive ones. It might not be the starting cause but it is related with the issue as it makes it much worse. |

Zubrette
Reverse Safari Venture Industries
6
|
Posted - 2012.01.26 20:09:00 -
[780] - Quote
Zubrette wrote:Today, my fellow griefer brother and sisters we struck a decisive blow to the Sansha Menace. No longer shall their looming shadows linger over our worlds. We defended our homes and loved ones from the greatest evil, devouring everything that does not concede to SANSHA KUVAKEI.
Those heroes who stood alone when no other capsuleers had the courage to stand up and fight for what they believed in shall forever be immortalized in history as greatest warriors of freedom and justice. Do not listen to the nay sayers who would try to twist you into villains for they, themselves work for the evil oppressor SANSHA KUVAKEI.
Gentlemen, you deserve a medal for completing the mission with overwhelming success. We were out numbered, out gunned, jammed, and had lovely comedians come onto our teamspeak to cheer us on and encourage us to finish our goals. Thank you BTL for helping us in our time of need by giving us the lifting of our spirits to press on. The laughs you gave us really pushed us to excellence, making us feel calm and pristine after the hardened battle against the Sansha invasion. Without your love and support, this would have not been possible.
In closing I would like to thank our loved ones who supported and cared for us during this long war, for if it had been you caring for us we would have withered away to dust in the pages of history. This proves that with the right leadership, structure, support and love for your other players - truly anything is possible.
HAIL, BRICKSQUAD/SKUNWORKS & COMPANY, VANQUISHERS OF THE SANSHA MENACE! |
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
hotpot inc
791
|
Posted - 2012.01.26 22:12:00 -
[781] - Quote
Don't forget Lead Farmers man! They were awesome through the whole thing. |

Aren Dar
Griffin Capsuleers Ad-Astra
10
|
Posted - 2012.01.27 11:35:00 -
[782] - Quote
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Aren Dar wrote: CCP state that the economy has experienced 'steady' inflation of about 1% a month for the last year and a half. That predates the incursion expansion.
Taken on it's own all that indicates is that at some point in the past the economy shifted from deflation to inflation, and incursions were unrelated to that change.
It indicates that the nerfs done on other features (i.e. insurance, missions) were not enough to counter the ISK faucets of that time, and then a new massive ISK faucet has been planted on top of the already excessive ones. It might not be the starting cause but it is related with the issue as it makes it much worse.
If inflation was 1% both BEFORE and AFTER incursions, how does that show that incursions made things "much worse"? Incursions were only released in November 2010, they are making a claim that goes back to mid-2010.
FWIW I suspect that CCP decided that mild inflation was preferable to deflation - because of the risks of deflationary spirals - and re-balanced the various ISK sources in that direction through 2010. |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
353
|
Posted - 2012.01.27 11:40:00 -
[783] - Quote
1% inflation isnt a bad thing
VOTE SKIPPERMONKEY FOR CSM - TERRIBAD AT EVE BUT GREAT AT FORUMS |

Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
366
|
Posted - 2012.01.27 12:04:00 -
[784] - Quote
Skippermonkey wrote:1% inflation isnt a bad thing if its 1% a year, its a good thing, if its 1% quarterly, its not a bad thing, if its 1% monthly, thats a bit much for a healthy economy to take.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation
If you read over that, it doesn't appear that we are anywhere near real world levels to be dangerous, however, it is still fairly high, and since things like rat bounties are increasing with inflation, it is causing it to be much harder for alot of people to pay the bills without devoting more time to eve.
Tho, for those of us who sell plex, its getting better every day  o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |

Scarlet Intelis
Polaris Rising Controlled Chaos
6
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Posted - 2012.02.03 21:41:00 -
[785] - Quote
Good ole Nerf bat needs to hurry up and swing at high sec incursions.  |

Harlot Hohannson
Eye on Wang Poo
31
|
Posted - 2012.02.04 12:11:00 -
[786] - Quote
ingreedsions |

AtreusIII
Caldari Elite Force Independence..
0
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Posted - 2012.02.05 08:36:00 -
[787] - Quote
You got my vote there krissada, heres to ya. One of the few space rednecks. Your welcome! |

Erwin Castle Jakuard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.02.06 14:40:00 -
[788] - Quote
Came expecting griefers doing a good job of removing high sec incursions and many tears of bears. Left with economic knowledge and reminiscing high school Econ.
Why are there 3 high sec incursions up? Wtf? If this is your acting now you might just want to biomass... |

Alice Saki
Crytec Enterprises SRS.
78
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Posted - 2012.02.06 16:18:00 -
[789] - Quote
So Supporting this! Never Done an Incursion but to **** it up for others, sounds Great! http://tinyurl.com/RifterDeath My Rifter Adventure in Null |

Unnamed Enemy
Dark Enron Inc Bringers of Death.
10
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:06:00 -
[790] - Quote
Sounds like the RMTers are hurting.
Yes people don't need to buy ISK from RMTers anymore - they can just run incursions.
People don't need to run multiple bots to generate decent income - they can just run incursions.
People with real life money to spend, can just buy isk from CCP, 500 mil for 15 bucks is much better than 350, and there is no risk.
So yeah . . . .keep the tears flowing RMTers, or start stockpiling blackbirds.
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Erwin Castle Jakuard
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.02.06 21:43:00 -
[791] - Quote
Im not a RMT i just like to laugh at carebear tears. and now i also get to laugh at wanna be griefers carebear tears since they are unable to do what they claim.
How many incursions are still up? |

Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
9
|
Posted - 2012.02.06 22:42:00 -
[792] - Quote
SO the Goons brick and their fellow slaves/pets are still trying to nerf them poor incursions in empire. and you guys want is for everyone to play to your style and move to 0.0 and be a slave to you.
Bunch of idiots here from what i see. i think you all need to find a new life since the only thing Darius III can do is insult degrade and such his fleet when they fail once again....did i say once? oh hell we know its been more then 3 times he failed. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1947
|
Posted - 2012.02.06 22:43:00 -
[793] - Quote
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens andski for csm7~ |

Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
9
|
Posted - 2012.02.06 22:54:00 -
[794] - Quote
Andski wrote:Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
So |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1947
|
Posted - 2012.02.07 00:49:00 -
[795] - Quote
horrible poster in a horrible renter alliance andski for csm7~ |

Lieutenant Brooker
The Dark Space Initiative Revival Of The Talocan Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.02.14 11:11:00 -
[796] - Quote
I really hope you can stick it to 'em. What happened to CCP's whole idea of null and low-sec being the most rewarding, as well as dangerous? It's not very balanced with high-sec incursions, is it? Hi-sec gaybears have already made too much ISK off of these, IMO. |

Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
302
|
Posted - 2012.02.15 22:56:00 -
[797] - Quote
Lieutenant Brooker wrote:I really hope you can stick it to 'em. What happened to CCP's whole idea of null and low-sec being the most rewarding, as well as dangerous? It's not very balanced with high-sec incursions, is it? Hi-sec gaybears have already made too much ISK off of these, IMO.
if ccp would make it this easy to farm isk in o.o it would cost them too much $$. we had similar thing once when anomalies jus were buffed. they nerfed it when o.o finaly started to fill up with ppl. high sec player profile: 1 account playing not much & not much isk usage o.o player profile: 2-4 accounts eve addicts & spending alot of isk
which of those 2 player profiles will be the most likly fund their activities with plex when the situation hets created? both! yet o.o player had bigger isk soendage & is biggest $$ supplier for CCP
CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
277
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Posted - 2012.02.16 11:45:00 -
[798] - Quote
Aren Dar wrote:
If inflation was 1% both BEFORE and AFTER incursions, how does that show that incursions made things "much worse"? Incursions were only released in November 2010, they are making a claim that goes back to mid-2010.
FWIW I suspect that CCP decided that mild inflation was preferable to deflation - because of the risks of deflationary spirals - and re-balanced the various ISK sources in that direction through 2010.
Nope, EvE was a mildly deflating economy for a very long time.
Nope, we don't have mild inflation since it's 1% a month not a yar.
Nope, inflation is not preferable, because markets lacking a short sell feature already favor buy and hold vs proper trading.
With a 1% inflation a month all you have to do is to buy an highly liquid item, wait, resell for profit even disregarding trends. This can cause all sort of long term issues.
Unnamed Enemy wrote:Sounds like the RMTers are hurting.
Yes people don't need to buy ISK from RMTers anymore - they can just run incursions.
People don't need to run multiple bots to generate decent income - they can just run incursions.
People with real life money to spend, can just buy isk from CCP, 500 mil for 15 bucks is much better than 350, and there is no risk.
Not really. Those who need to convert PLEX in ISK tend to be active PvPers with not enough time on their hands to grind back the losses or just can't stand hitting bland NPCs.
RMTers and incursion runners are efficient ISK makers, one multi boxing lots of small pay tasks, the others 1-2 boxing a big pay task. Both can and will have ability to sell ISK for real money to the customers above. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
385
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Posted - 2012.02.16 11:54:00 -
[799] - Quote
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Lieutenant Brooker wrote:I really hope you can stick it to 'em. What happened to CCP's whole idea of null and low-sec being the most rewarding, as well as dangerous? It's not very balanced with high-sec incursions, is it? Hi-sec gaybears have already made too much ISK off of these, IMO. if ccp would make it this easy to farm isk in o.o it would cost them too much $$. we had similar thing once when anomalies jus were buffed. they nerfed it when o.o finaly started to fill up with ppl. high sec player profile: 1 account playing not much & not much isk usage o.o player profile: 2-4 accounts eve addicts & spending alot of isk which of those 2 player profiles will be the most likly fund their activities with plex when the situation hets created? both! yet o.o player had bigger isk soendage & is biggest $$ supplier for CCP You do realize CCP make more money off a plex than a one month sub, right? Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |

Zmaster BloodLust
BloodLust Enterprises Apocalypse Now.
5
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Posted - 2012.02.17 02:07:00 -
[800] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Lieutenant Brooker wrote:I really hope you can stick it to 'em. What happened to CCP's whole idea of null and low-sec being the most rewarding, as well as dangerous? It's not very balanced with high-sec incursions, is it? Hi-sec gaybears have already made too much ISK off of these, IMO. if ccp would make it this easy to farm isk in o.o it would cost them too much $$. we had similar thing once when anomalies jus were buffed. they nerfed it when o.o finaly started to fill up with ppl. high sec player profile: 1 account playing not much & not much isk usage o.o player profile: 2-4 accounts eve addicts & spending alot of isk which of those 2 player profiles will be the most likly fund their activities with plex when the situation hets created? both! yet o.o player had bigger isk soendage & is biggest $$ supplier for CCP You do realize CCP make more money off a plex than a one month sub, right?
Dont care.... if ppl actualy plaid subs CCP wouldnt have to resort to low marketing standards as the NEX store... I just hope they dont make EVE a "P2W" game (Pay to Win)... for God Sakes's i got 2 accounts Sub paid for a year... way cheaper then to "Buy" a plex every month!
Besides the problem here isnt who pays sub or buys PLEX... prob here is Incursions Gaybears tht make tons of ISK and buy PLEX from the market... |
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Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
303
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Posted - 2012.02.18 17:27:00 -
[801] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Lieutenant Brooker wrote:I really hope you can stick it to 'em. What happened to CCP's whole idea of null and low-sec being the most rewarding, as well as dangerous? It's not very balanced with high-sec incursions, is it? Hi-sec gaybears have already made too much ISK off of these, IMO. if ccp would make it this easy to farm isk in o.o it would cost them too much $$. we had similar thing once when anomalies jus were buffed. they nerfed it when o.o finaly started to fill up with ppl. high sec player profile: 1 account playing not much & not much isk usage o.o player profile: 2-4 accounts eve addicts & spending alot of isk which of those 2 player profiles will be the most likly fund their activities with plex when the situation hets created? both! yet o.o player had bigger isk soendage & is biggest $$ supplier for CCP You do realize CCP make more money off a plex than a one month sub, right?
do you realize ccp can control the plex prices indirectly if they want to?
so question do they?
nex store was extra income with plex converting to items. incursions are doing the same.
cosmic anomalies got nerfed first time because it costed too much $$. Yet incursions are doing the same thing now...
so what has been changed that could infuencing eve the same way > higher plex prices CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |

Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
400
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Posted - 2012.02.19 15:13:00 -
[802] - Quote
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Lieutenant Brooker wrote:I really hope you can stick it to 'em. What happened to CCP's whole idea of null and low-sec being the most rewarding, as well as dangerous? It's not very balanced with high-sec incursions, is it? Hi-sec gaybears have already made too much ISK off of these, IMO. if ccp would make it this easy to farm isk in o.o it would cost them too much $$. we had similar thing once when anomalies jus were buffed. they nerfed it when o.o finaly started to fill up with ppl. high sec player profile: 1 account playing not much & not much isk usage o.o player profile: 2-4 accounts eve addicts & spending alot of isk which of those 2 player profiles will be the most likly fund their activities with plex when the situation hets created? both! yet o.o player had bigger isk soendage & is biggest $$ supplier for CCP You do realize CCP make more money off a plex than a one month sub, right? do you realize ccp can control the plex prices indirectly if they want to? so question do they? nex store was extra income with plex converting to items. incursions are doing the same. cosmic anomalies got nerfed first time because it costed too much $$. Yet incursions are doing the same thing now... so what has been changed that could infuencing eve the same way > higher plex prices
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/ Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |

Lithorn
The Dark Tribe Against ALL Authorities
0
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Posted - 2012.02.21 13:16:00 -
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Krissada wrote:Before words ---- Yes, it's this thread again. No, it's not just empty words. This was posted many days ago, but I decided to take it down to have some chats with a few selected people before finalizing everything. _____________________ We have come to the conclusion that even though blackbird suicide ganking is a profitable and very fun activity it only limits the Incursion Bear activities by some degree. If we are to end their reign once and for all which has lasted for almost a year it is time we do it now. We would like to announce the creation of a wonderful and most generous channel named: "Grief the Bears" with the sole purpose of taking down all motherships in highsec as soon as they appear and end the incursion just like CCP intended.... We shall put an end to this inhuman farming and abuse of game mechanics. We have to put a gag to this ISK faucet and shake up those bears. If they wanna do incursions they can go to lowsec or nullsec.  What do we require and why do we need you?
- 30-40 bodies to effectively fight off the site and finish it.
- Armor buffer fit battleships and a handful subbattleships.
- T2 logistic ships.
- Empty tear jars.
So join us at the channel ----> Grief the Bears and let us finally put an end to all this. Once all the highsec incursions are down they will not respawn for another 24+ hours. When that one will spawn it will only take the bears 4-5 hours to make the mothership appear and then we shall sweep in yet again and finish it. Can you imagine highsec where the bears only get to incursion 15-20 hours for a whole week? I can and it is filled with tears.... PS: Beware that extracting a sufficient amount of tears will result in merc wardecs hired by rich bears. I see this as a side bonus! _______________ Above is the simple plan. We cannot keep on waiting and whining to CCP. We are taking matters into our own hands with or without you. If you want to join, feel free to. If you rather not that is fine too. But if you want to whine and complain because we are stopping the ISK faucet then make sure you are crying into one of our jars. Fly much reckless 
This looks like blah blah blah blah Whine, why cant we pvp moar. This post has nothing to with game mechanics, everything to do with your tears over not enough ganking opportunities. TLDR: Empty words, stay in your comfy npc corp and cry more please. |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
161
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Posted - 2012.02.21 18:01:00 -
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People should really stop necroing this thread. *rolls eyes* |

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
43
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Posted - 2012.02.21 18:45:00 -
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Lieutenant Brooker wrote:I really hope you can stick it to 'em. What happened to CCP's whole idea of null and low-sec being the most rewarding, as well as dangerous? It's not very balanced with high-sec incursions, is it? Hi-sec gaybears have already made too much ISK off of these, IMO.
lol luv those NULL sec gaybear tears http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM&feature=player_embedded Keep up that crying about Incursions I got my Jar ready to catch more. I like how you state your ideas as CCP's... rewarding is in the eyes of the beholder & as long as these delicious tears keep comming outa Null Sec eyes I'll be collecting The waaah Hi Sec isn't making ISK like I want them too under my thumb threads tears don'ttaste salty at all   |

Ammzi
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
825
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:37:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Lieutenant Brooker wrote:I really hope you can stick it to 'em. What happened to CCP's whole idea of null and low-sec being the most rewarding, as well as dangerous? It's not very balanced with high-sec incursions, is it? Hi-sec gaybears have already made too much ISK off of these, IMO. lol luv those NULL sec gaybear tears http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM&feature=player_embeddedKeep up that crying about Incursions I got my Jar ready to catch more. I like how you state your ideas as CCP's... rewarding is in the eyes of the beholder & as long as these delicious tears keep comming outa Null Sec eyes I'll be collecting The waaah Hi Sec isn't making ISK like I want them too under my thumb threads tears don'ttaste salty at all  
^this is how TDF (armor channel) FC's behave like. No wonder TDF is crashing to the ground. 
Oh, do you still ban people for being in the wrong incursion? quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1255
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Posted - 2012.02.21 22:30:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Lieutenant Brooker wrote:I really hope you can stick it to 'em. What happened to CCP's whole idea of null and low-sec being the most rewarding, as well as dangerous? It's not very balanced with high-sec incursions, is it? Hi-sec gaybears have already made too much ISK off of these, IMO. lol luv those NULL sec gaybear tears http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM&feature=player_embeddedKeep up that crying about Incursions I got my Jar ready to catch more. I like how you state your ideas as CCP's... rewarding is in the eyes of the beholder & as long as these delicious tears keep comming outa Null Sec eyes I'll be collecting The waaah Hi Sec isn't making ISK like I want them too under my thumb threads tears don'ttaste salty at all   ^this is how TDF (armor channel) FC's behave like. No wonder TDF is crashing to the ground.  Oh, do you still ban people for being in the wrong incursion?
The only "right" incursion is the one where the mom goes down as soon as it appears. 
Equipment standing by in case it needs to happen again. o7 |

Phased Veldspar
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:56:00 -
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Nice. I like it.
Best way for CCP can take care of the High Sec Incursions would not be to remove them but simply apply some logic: The longer an Incursion, the more damage done and the less ISK Concord can issue. Also, Concord should be paying for results: beating back the incursion fleet.
So: Incursions do not reward players with ISK until the Mothership is destroyed. The amount of ISK earned is diminished for each hour the mothership is left up (law of diminishing returns). End result: Incursion Farmers will have to kill the mothership quickly if they intent to receive any decent reward.
Since Low Sec isn't cared for as much by Concord, the law of diminishing returns is not as intense (less damage done that Concord has to fix). Null Sec would have little to no diminishing returns since loss to Concord is minimal, but Concord does not want Sansha to have a greater foothold.
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Molette Nolm
Republic University Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.03.07 07:08:00 -
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Tbh i like the idea very much. Simply because it dosent hurt the carebears as much as the pirate alts. If you run incursions and specially in those VG fleets you quickly over some smalltalk realize that this is the main income for many griefers. So grief the bears you say? I see your idea but call it grief the griefers for once. So +1 from me. |

Slagarian D'Torquville
Slagarian D'Torquville Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:00:00 -
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You guys (Incursion stoppers) are griping and grieving, just to show off that you can; The way I understand incursions, They act as a tool for nuggets (I.E., non uber thekiller8 headkick wannabees) how to prep for a space war, at (relatively ) low risk.
So many buzzkillers, so little time. |
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
1071
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:55:00 -
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Phased Veldspar wrote:Nice. I like it. Best way for CCP can take care of the High Sec Incursions would not be to remove them but simply apply some logic: The longer an Incursion, the more damage done and the less ISK Concord can issue. Also, Concord should be paying for results: beating back the incursion fleet. So: Incursions do not reward players with ISK until the Mothership is destroyed. The amount of ISK earned is diminished for each hour the mothership is left up (law of diminishing returns). End result: Incursion Farmers will have to kill the mothership quickly if they intent to receive any decent reward. Since Low Sec isn't cared for as much by Concord, the law of diminishing returns is not as intense (less damage done that Concord has to fix). Null Sec would have little to no diminishing returns since loss to Concord is minimal, but Concord does not want Sansha to have a greater foothold.  That's essentially what I proposed back in November. Concord doesn't approve of farming and reduces the payout on all incursions sites to 50% after a certain length of time. This makes it more profitable to end the incursion so a new one starts up. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |

Kiwi Momaki
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 21:51:00 -
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rofl... Jealous bro?  |

Slagarian D'Torquville
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.19 00:43:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:Kill them.
With fire.
You first, Lyrrshae.
I honestly love you "1337" types, griping about things you do not like. wait until Your favorite things get the "nerfbat". Don't go postal, like thekiller8 did when cordy failed to win an alliance war, due to incompetence.
EDIT : And if the "nerfbat" does hit you, and you gripe, whine, and cry, i will have rage tear jars and popcorn ready. |

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2064
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Posted - 2012.03.19 16:20:00 -
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Hey everyone! Just wanted to share about an awesome talk I had last night with Phattecia, who I'm assuming a few of you are familiar with. I didn't get much sleep, but it was worth it to make a new friend who shares my passion for teaching players, getting them involved in more challenging content in EVE, and preparing them for PvP.
I wanted to take a moment and share a bit about how cool it was that Phatt took the initiative to approach me, even at the last minute during the elections. His interest and drive in seeing Incursions improved impressed me and I appreciated the awesome learning opportunity. He hooked my up with a whole host of resources I'm excited to begin researching.
Anyways, if you're an incursion runner - dedicated or casual, stop on by my Jita park thread about the talk, you may be interested in what I have to say. Thanks for being patient with me as I catch up on what I've missed in this thread since the start of the busy campaign season, and start contributing more to the incursion conversation where I can.
Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |

Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
576
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Posted - 2012.03.19 16:27:00 -
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I will gladly lend my Astarte to boost to ensure that the Incursion-bears cease to profit, and **** up the market on EVERYTHING. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
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