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TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
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Posted - 2012.01.20 18:08:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:TurAmarth ElRandir wrote: (Responding in Character)
:notsureifserious:
I was, as stated, responding in Character as Hoxothul had brought up the "citizens" being "captured" by Sansha's forces... turns out there is also actually sound military logic behind extending the battle as long as possible... go figure. =] TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
9
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Posted - 2012.01.20 18:33:00 -
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TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:GhostDragoon wrote: OH! BooHoo people make more money than me in hisec.. GET OVER IT. go learn to kill things properly, with fire & napalm and even tactical nukes. I find your lack of awesome appalling and your "Down with their reign" RP wannabe persona lacking. You sound more like a carebear than the actual carebears. I'm all for griefing and killing things with fire but you lot really make us look bad....
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Look, I just want to pop Sansha motherships and do it while fleeted with an interesting crowd. The mothership is a perfectly legitimate PVE war target.
GǪIf kiddies who feel entitled to a target they they do not have exclusive access to want to cry about it, it's not my problem.
Zag'mar Jurkar wrote:I don't see why incursion runners complain about them being disrupted... All I know and can see is Darius and others playing the Sandbox as intended, and so does the other side as well... +1 +1 +1 Kudos to you allGǪ
You do realize that one of the posts you just quoted and +1'd was talking in favour of our actions? |

Maximille Biagge
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
5
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Posted - 2012.01.20 18:48:00 -
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I approve the parts of this thread still understandable to any normal sober human being. |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
19
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Posted - 2012.01.20 19:34:00 -
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Darius III wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:
Why would it be wise for me to take 150 mil in equipment into the middle of nullsec to get popped exactly? Derp.
No one suggests you need to take "150 mil in equipment" nor go to "the middle of nullsec" to "get popped". Derp indeed.
I could have sworn you guys we're arguing that nullsec risks should net you the most ISK in the game. Taking the 'risk averse' comment to mean that I was scared of going into nullsec. Seriousy Darius, shouldnt you have a cabinet of smarter people to explain this stuff to you before you open your mouth? |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
19
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Posted - 2012.01.20 19:43:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
There's a lot to what you are writing.
Starting around the early 1990s, there was a movement in parenting that was all about letting your kids know how special and wonderful and smart they are, in spite of any evidence to the contrary.
We are now seeing the "fruits" of that labor, in game and out. A lot of people are so thinking they are so great at everything and living in a little bubble of their own perception when in fact, they suck as people and suck at what they do. I have to deal with these zombies every day. These are the people who tell you their name and expect you to jump for joy.
And these are the people with a dangerous sense of entitlement. I hope those that play this game learn to shed it before some RL situation comes up where their overblown sense of self could get them killed.
Thank you. I've been telling people that for years but generally I get looks of ghastly disbelief when I tell someone they need to spank their child and put them in the corner for a timeout. I've actually seen one of those self entitled brats mouth off to the wrong person and get his head blown off. It was quite horrific while at the same time frighteningly satisfying. (The fact that I found any joy in it made me a little sick to my stomach, not to mention the cleaning of his brain matter off my clothes.) I'd been wanting to beat the crap out of the little douschebag for months. Though, I certainly didnt want him dead, dead people dont learn. But when we get to the point where your sitting on a bus and the mother of a kid jumping back and forth between two seats wont do a damn thing about it but give you a dirty look when you tell the child to "Sit down and stop jumping around please." and said child (couldnt have been more then 10) turns and tells you "I dont have to do what you say *****" . . . .
Well, lets just say if that was my child, his ass would be lopsided for the rest of his life.
The fellow who killed said douschebag was taken into South Korean custody and never heard from again. The only remaining feeling I have for the event is regret. I regret that neither I nor my battle buddies beat some sense into the little smartass before someone took it to such an extreme level, however, I blame the parents. Maybe if they'd been just a little more active in parenting, he would have told a South Korean mobster that his mother was cheap and enjoyable last night. Regardless who's at fault, the situation was uneccessary and could have been avoided.
My last comment on parenting, save your children. Let them know how harsh and rough the world can be if your not careful before the wrong person does. In your house, you can control the level of punishment and the suffering inflicting as well as the lesson learned. In the real world, you have no control over who's going to do what to your beloved little spoiled brat. It can make the difference between him learning a lesson early on and having a sore ass for a day or two vs him learning that you dont **** off an outlaw with a loaded gun 1 second before his life comes to a screeching halt. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1136
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:04:00 -
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Sin Istersly wrote: interesting account with a happy ending
This is why we have such a great game here. Everybody expects to be the big hero who, just because they are heroic, can beat all odds, no matter what the odds - just like TV.
And then they play EvE and hit their first gate camp.....
Such things are what motivates me in this mom takedown project. Everybody (well, almost) thinks they are special and entitled. Nobody is entitled to jack squat in this world. Just because they wanted to let the mom lager in place and rack up ISK, they think that is to be automatically respected and then howl and complain when someone says "hey, let's see if we can kill that target".
This is great game that uses interweb spaceships and teaches reality of conflict and consequences at the same time. The ships are fake, the factors are real. Sometimes I wonder if, deep below CCP headquarters, there is a team of scientists studying the whole thing.
(and they could conclude that the "you're so special" movement is a complete failure at this point IF the existence of 20 y/o "men" who never had a drivers license, a job, and a date, is not failure enough).
We are the motherf**kers.
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KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
237
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:05:00 -
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Sin Istersly wrote:I've actually seen one of those self entitled brats mouth off to the wrong person and get his head blown off. It was quite horrific while at the same time frighteningly satisfying.
Are you f'ing retarded? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39006524/DumbHiseccers.jpg |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
12
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:14:00 -
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Hoxothul wrote:You do realize that one of the posts you just quoted and +1'd was talking in favor of our actions?
Yes... I do. To reiterate, I am not for or against Mothership killing by greiferbears to grief on incursionbears... griefing is a part of the tapestry that is EVE.
What I am against is grifers whining and crying over it and using any supporting argument other than, "I wanna GRIEF em to TEARS!! "... Trying to stop people from farming Incursions because they make too much ISK is silly and childish and frankly it is embarrassing.
If yer a griefer stand up for your ganking ways... Say it loud and say it proud! Krissada's stated plan is to shut down this ISK facet IN HISEC and force the Incursionbears to have no choice but to go to lo and null if they want to keep running themGǪ her unstated goal is to get fleets of blinged out multibillion ISK PvE fit ships into lo and null where she and her ilk can GRIEF them to tears without having to worry about CONCORDGǪ. And so she and her lo and nullbear buddies can make the kinda ISK they feel they are entitled to in the manner they like best... griefing.
I got nothing against grieferbears, pirates, gankers and all the various other bullies in EVEGǪ I got nothing against carebears, miners, mission runners, and all the other take-it-safe-n-easy types eitherGǪ we need both kinds. All I ask isGǪ be honest about it.
I seriously doubt Krissada cares one whit about balancing or fairnessGǪ she said it, she wants hisec FULL of TEARSGǪ thatGÇÖs what she wants, all the rest is smoke and mirrorsGǪ she is trying to justify griefingGǪ and in EVE, it needs no justification, its allowed and expected.
TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
21
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:20:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Sin Istersly wrote:I've actually seen one of those self entitled brats mouth off to the wrong person and get his head blown off. It was quite horrific while at the same time frighteningly satisfying. Are you f'ing ret arded?
I'm not the one who ran his mouth off to an armed violent inclined gangster. So no, I'm not friggin ********. Are you?
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Sin Istersly wrote: interesting account with a happy ending
This is why we have such a great game here. Everybody expects to be the big hero who, just because they are heroic, can beat all odds, no matter what the odds - just like TV. And then they play EvE and hit their first gate camp..... Such things are what motivates me in this mom takedown project. Everybody (well, almost) thinks they are special and entitled. Nobody is entitled to jack squat in this world. Just because they wanted to let the mom lager in place and rack up ISK, they think that is to be automatically respected and then howl and complain when someone says "hey, let's see if we can kill that target". This is great game that uses interweb spaceships and teaches reality of conflict and consequences at the same time. The ships are fake, the factors are real. Sometimes I wonder if, deep below CCP headquarters, there is a team of scientists studying the whole thing. (and they could conclude that the "you're so special" movement is a complete failure at this point IF the existence of 20 y/o "men" who never had a drivers license, a job, and a date, is not failure enough). We are the motherf**kers.
+5 for point and intelligence. Yes, the 'your special' movement was such a carebear pos it made me sick when I saw it. "My kid can count to 10! Isnt he special?!"
You are special. You are unique. You are priceless. Just like the 6 billion other people on the planet. /sarcasm
I find it amusing however that a bunch of nullsec strategically "savvy" players are broadcasting their next move to the community. That'd be like North Korea informing whatever nation of their first nuclear strike. "Hey, we're going to attack you. Just so you know, later." Which brings that actual purpose of this thread into question. Ultimately, I think either their not going to do a damn thing, or their just hoping to scare people into killing the mothership themselves without any effort from the nullbears. Either way, it's a strategy that will likely not accomplish whatever it's intended. |

TurAmarth ElRandir
Hiigaran Bounty Hunters Inc. Astraeaus
13
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:23:00 -
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Sin Istersly & Herzog WolfhammerGǪ Post #514 & 515... go back and look em up... its worth the effort.
Kudos! Beautiful manGǪ just effin beautiful. My daughter and I have talked about how punishments, whether a talking to or a spanking, help her learn that doing bad things is wrong and can hurt you... but I love her and I am teaching her.. not abusing.
She told me she knows there is a difference...
KrissdaGÇÖs gonna have a COW when she reads those 2 posts!! \o/ TurAmarth ElRandir HBHI VP & Salvage Operations Director Fly Safe and see you in the Sky =/|)= http://turamarths-evelife.blogspot.com/ |
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Simi Kusoni
The Synergy Cascade Imminent
58
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:26:00 -
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Sin Istersly wrote:Interesting story about how I beat kids Seriously, this thread has gone on long enough. Someone lock it. |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
21
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:35:00 -
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TurAmarth ElRandir wrote:Sin Istersly & Herzog WolfhammerGǪ Post #514 & 515... go back and look em up... its worth the effort.
Kudos! Beautiful manGǪ just effin beautiful. My daughter and I have talked about how punishments, whether a talking to or a spanking, help her learn that doing bad things is wrong and can hurt you... but I love her and I am teaching her.. not abusing.
She told me she knows there is a difference...
KrissdaGÇÖs gonna have a COW when she reads those 2 posts!! \o/
Lol, indeed. I'm glad to see their are people out there that still actively parent Tur, kudos to you as well.
On a side note: Personally I'm surprised anyone who's spent even a limited amount of time on youtube, and seen at least one or two of those spoiled brat videos would even make the attempt to argue against spankings.
Although, we should get back to topic before the admins do as Simi commands and locks this thread. I'm enjoying this tear fest far too much to see this thread die lol.
Also Simi, I never said I beat kids. (I DID say 'beat there ass' and 'beating' as terms, but your taking the literal sense, not the intended meaning, which I think I made fairly clear.) I said I spank them. Their is a HUGE difference between spanking and punishing your children, and your drunk father whooping your butt nightly because your the only thing he's capable of picking on. I do not condone beating. I condone reasonable punishment and karma. You can either let your kid do wtf ever he wants until someone bigger who doesnt like to be mouthed off teaches him for you, or you can teach them early on that being a dousche in life has painful, sometimes very painful consequences. Dont let your kids first life lesson also be his last. I love my kids, I dont want them to mouth off to some guy with a gun someday and get shot in the face. If I'm a bad guy in your eyes for that, so be it. Your opinion is noted.
In the end, I'm wouldnt be surprised if the world tears itself apart with all the whiney brats and babies slaughtering each other over who had that parking spot first, and who cut off who. Meanwhile, we sensible people will sit back, laugh, have a few drinks, maybe even smoke a bowl, and wonder how long it will take before we're rid of all these morons, and whether or not we'll have to step in to finish off the last of them. Cheers. |

Simi Kusoni
The Synergy Cascade Imminent
59
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:44:00 -
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Sin Istersly wrote:Also Simi, I never said I beat kids. (I DID say 'beat there ass' and 'beating' as terms, but your taking the literal sense, not the intended meaning, which I think I made fairly clear.) I said I spank them. Their is a HUGE difference between spanking and punishing your children, and your drunk father whooping your butt nightly because your the only thing he's capable of picking on. I do not condone beating. I condone reasonable punishment and karma. You can either let your kid do wtf ever he wants until someone bigger who doesnt like to be mouthed off teaches him for you, or you can teach them early on that being a dousche in life has painful, sometimes very painful consequences. Dont let your kids first life lesson also be his last. I love my kids, I dont want them to mouth off to some guy with a gun someday and get shot in the face. If I'm a bad guy in your eyes for that, so be it. Your opinion is noted.
In the end, I'm wouldnt be surprised if the world tears itself apart with all the whiney brats and babies slaughtering each other over who had that parking spot first, and who cut off who. Meanwhile, we sensible people will sit back, laugh, have a few drinks, maybe even smoke a bowl, and wonder how long it will take before we're rid of all these morons, and whether or not we'll have to step in to finish off the last of them. Cheers. I know, I was joking 
Although to be honest I think those oddly delusional "I'm a special snowflake" children don't come about purely as a result of a lack of physical punishment. Just as common is neglect, or a failure to identify between good attention and bad attention. E.g. not paying attention to your child unless he is bad can lead to him always being bad, even if the way in you which you pay attention is by punishing him.
Anyway, putting aside the complexities of child psychology, there is a lot to be said in favor of punching some children in the face. |

Sin Istersly
Pinnacle Services Coalition The-Nation
21
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Posted - 2012.01.20 20:52:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:I know, I was joking  Although to be honest I think those oddly delusional "I'm a special snowflake" children don't come about purely as a result of a lack of physical punishment. Just as common is neglect, or a failure to identify between good attention and bad attention. E.g. not paying attention to your child unless he is bad can lead to him always being bad, even if the way in you which you pay attention is by punishing him. Anyway, putting aside the complexities of child psychology, there is a lot to be said in favor of punching some children in the face.
Aside from the punching a kid in the face (I suggest spanking, doesnt leave marks for CPS) I fully approve this message. 
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RiskyFrisky
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:07:00 -
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Another Mum down.
Armor Drake is still alive.
HAIL LORD XENU! |

Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
10
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:13:00 -
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RiskyFrisky wrote:Another Mum down.
Armor Drake is still alive.
HAIL LORD XENU!
You didn't even get shot at once :( Was planning on not repping the armor drake! |

Mikal Red
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:13:00 -
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Another one down... xD |

Lysaeus
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
3
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:20:00 -
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Sin Istersly wrote: I've actually seen one of those self entitled brats mouth off to the wrong person and get his head blown off. It was quite horrific while at the same time frighteningly satisfying.
So you find the deaths of others satisfying? |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1136
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:21:00 -
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Good job. |

G0hme
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
6
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:36:00 -
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COMBAT LOGISTICS! |
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Findail
Fatal Cure
0
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:36:00 -
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Hoxothul wrote:[
Wow, somebody actually got it right!
We do not want Incursions removed, we do not want to permanently stop high sec carebears from playing the game either.
What we want is that highsec incursions gets balanced, in regards to both Risk vs Reward and raw ISK injection to the game.
Reduce the amount of raw ISK that are being given per side and boost the LP somewhat to make up for it. Furthermore, whenever the Mothership do spawn, rest of the sites should stop spawning, forcing the community to actually kill the Mothership and end the incursion, as it was intended from the beginning.
If you want raw isk balanced, then tech moons (at a minimum) need to be nerfed. Something along the lines of minerals depleting, or requiring exploration to find new sources. After all, t64 moon minerals are supposed to be rare. Maybe even having them turn up in gas clouds....
Then there's the wormhole problem. Arguably the biggest isk faucet in game right now. It needs balancing, but to what extent, and how to nerf it for better balance? |

Hoxothul
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
10
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:40:00 -
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Findail wrote:
If you want raw isk balanced, then tech moons (at a minimum) need to be nerfed. Something along the lines of minerals depleting, or requiring exploration to find new sources. After all, t64 moon minerals are supposed to be rare. Maybe even having them turn up in gas clouds....
Then there's the wormhole problem. Arguably the biggest isk faucet in game right now. It needs balancing, but to what extent, and how to nerf it for better balance?
No, because moons do not spew out raw ISK, they throw out materials that people people have to buy.
Same goes for wormholes, it does not generate actual ISK, it generates materials that other people have to buy.
On top of that, wormhole sites are not infinite, you cannot farm sites endlessly in your wormhole. |

Findail
Fatal Cure
0
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:47:00 -
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Hoxothul wrote:Findail wrote:
If you want raw isk balanced, then tech moons (at a minimum) need to be nerfed. Something along the lines of minerals depleting, or requiring exploration to find new sources. After all, t64 moon minerals are supposed to be rare. Maybe even having them turn up in gas clouds....
Then there's the wormhole problem. Arguably the biggest isk faucet in game right now. It needs balancing, but to what extent, and how to nerf it for better balance?
No, because moons do not spew out raw ISK, they throw out materials that people people have to buy. Same goes for wormholes, it does not generate actual ISK, it generates materials that other people have to buy. On top of that, wormhole sites are not infinite, you cannot farm sites endlessly in your wormhole.
Semantics.
Moons are worse than incursions - they require minimal player effort vs reward. The reward far outweighs the effort and risk. The minerals need to deplete, to force players to be more active in finding new sources.
How many billions per day out of wormholes is excessive? They too don't deplete. Maybe they need to be changed to increase both risk, and reliance on other regions for materials in order to survive. Maybe even add some t3 materials to exploration sites, which would encourage more people to do exploration, and bring a bit more balance to w-space. |

Lysaeus
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
3
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:48:00 -
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Findail wrote:If you want raw isk balanced, then tech moons (at a minimum) need to be nerfed. Something along the lines of minerals depleting, or requiring exploration to find new sources. After all, t64 moon minerals are supposed to be rare. Maybe even having them turn up in gas clouds....
Then there's the wormhole problem. Arguably the biggest isk faucet in game right now. It needs balancing, but to what extent, and how to nerf it for better balance?
You fail to realize that none of the things you mentioned are actual isk injections to the market. These examples represent isk transfers whereas incursions represent a large scale isk injection into the economy. As for moon mining, want the prices to go down, stop buying tech 2. Want wormhole loot prices to go down, convince more people to move into wormhole space. Done. |

Andy Kusoni
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.20 22:51:00 -
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Findail wrote: If you want raw isk balanced, then tech moons (at a minimum) need to be nerfed. Something along the lines of minerals depleting, or requiring exploration to find new sources. After all, t64 moon minerals are supposed to be rare. Maybe even having them turn up in gas clouds....
Then there's the wormhole problem. Arguably the biggest isk faucet in game right now. It needs balancing, but to what extent, and how to nerf it for better balance?
Moon minerals and wormhole loot aren't raw isk. They are used in producing modules and ships that are generally beneficial and fun to use for the entire eve playerbase.
Raw isk is PvE content that gives you a bounty payout, not an item payout. We dislike PvE that does not provide a service other than direct isk reward.
IMO, there shouldn't be very few bounties at all in this game. Income from PvE should be in the form of things that drop and can be sold (eg: salvage, modules, ammo, BPCs). |

Sedilis
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
6
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:17:00 -
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We win you lose.
No incursions for you this weekend  |

Psychotic Monk
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
81
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:22:00 -
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Starfleet is arguing in our channel because we apparently failed, because while we popped all the moms, we had to make a formup time to do it.
Yup. That's what the bears are reduced to.
"They had to plan in order to accomplish thier goals! Fail!" |

Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
73
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:25:00 -
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Wtf? No incursions up in highsec. All incursion runners are screaming in their channels.
I love C&P  |

Keith Planck
The Great and Powerful Corporation
54
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:28:00 -
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Sedilis wrote:We win you lose. No incursions for you this weekend 
Another one is due in about 4-6 hours The other 2 will be back tom night
You guys are on the right track... The real trick is... Can you beat the goonswarm record :3 |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1136
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Posted - 2012.01.20 23:30:00 -
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While slowboating in AP to the Amarr system, I never saw such a flood of WTZing gate to gate faction ships.
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