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DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.07.22 02:01:00 - [31] Quote: Dont trash it, we need high sec suicide runs, its better for EvE That's ignorant... Insurance should not be paid out when you get killed by the cops, it's an ignorant game mechanic. And the DEV's are stupid for leaving it that way. Building the homestead
FarScape III	Posted - 2007.07.22 02:24:00 - [32] I agree, there is no reason to think concord would allow someone to be insured that they just saw fit to blow up. It was a over site CCP you know that now fix it, when you get blown up by concord you do not get the insurance money/isk. A Minmater City... Cool! My Skills
Sasha Evergreen	Posted - 2007.07.22 02:56:00 - [33] You want CCP to fix suicide payouts? Abuse it. Go on and start grieving carebears yourself until they wine harder than you are right now. This is a serious solution. It's not against the rules, and you seem to think this is profitable, then do i yourself and tell your friends, when it becomes a big problem, CCP will fix it.
Plentimon Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.22 03:09:00 - [34] Originally by: Cipher7 And oh by the way, highsec piracy is a valid profession in my eyes. Insurance payout is part of that profession's safety net. Nerfing X profession to help Y profession is not the answer. That's *******. In that case they should bring cargo insurance to the game, as a 'safety net' for the miners/haulers. That way no one loses anything and everybody is happy. Pirating in highsec is supposed* to be risky, atm the worst that can happen is you lose a few thousand ISK in fitting, while the miners/haulers lose millions/possibly billions.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.07.22 03:30:00 - [35] Originally by: Frug Mistakes do happen. I'm not a griefer and I've accidentally ****ed off concord myself. 1/2 the normal insurance payout sounds fair for everyone. Meh...EVE provides you with convenient warnings if you are about to do something that would get you CONCORDed. If you turned off those warnings that's your own lookout but the safety net is there to avoid doing dumb things. If you do them anyway then live with the consequences. I have never heard CCP officially chime in on this topic. Wish they would. It makes absolutely no sense to give insurance payouts to suicide gankers. So, the only thing that makes sense is CCP Devs want people suicide ganking in Empire. Whether that is to enable better harassment of farmers or to 'encourage' people to get out of Empire or they just flat out despise Empire dwellers I have no idea.
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.07.22 11:00:00 - [36] Originally by: Cipher7 And oh by the way, highsec piracy is a valid profession in my eyes. Insurance payout is part of that profession's safety net. Nerfing X profession to help Y profession is not the answer. High-sec piracy is a valid profession supported in full by the high-sec war-dec A safety net? Where is the safety net for the freighter pilots carrying billions in cargo? Nerfing X, a profession that has cropped up due to a lack of targets in lo-sec is certainly a good idea. Especially when it negatively impacts upon W, Y, and Z. It also causes a minority of people to disrupt a lot of the game for the majority of people. It's empire, it's full of carebears, they pay their subs, if pirates had their way just half the time empire would be as empty as lo-sec and EvE would loose a lot of subscribers.
Voodoo Mistross Minmatar Cold-Fury Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.22 11:08:00 - [37] Originally by: Dulsung Originally by: Adaris If you lose a ship to concord you should get 1/2 platinum insurance. it simply does not make sense to get paid for committing a crime. Overhaul this feature. Half plat? Hardly! You should get absolutely nothing, probably a fine actually for making CONCORD waste time and fuel and ammo on you. /Signed ,
Demarcus Project Gemini Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.22 11:09:00 - [38] Edited by: Demarcus on 22/07/2007 11:10:37 Originally by: DarkMatter Quote: Dont trash it, we need high sec suicide runs, its better for EvE That's ignorant... Insurance should not be paid out when you get killed by the cops, it's an ignorant game mechanic. And the DEV's are stupid for leaving it that way. /signed. It's like running from the cops in rl and thinking your insurance company is going to cover the damages to your car when the cops use one of their Crown Vics to put you into a wall. Or like saying the cops should have to pay for new tires because you ran and made them have to use spike strips to stop you. Not gonna ever happen. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
Amaron Ghant Caldari CyberDyne Industries Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.07.22 11:12:00 - [39] I'm all for going the whole hog and getting rid of insurance completely.
Venec Rave Technologies Inc. Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.07.22 11:15:00 - [40] Edited by: Venec on 22/07/2007 11:16:20 Originally by: MotherMoon eve is a RP game. everything including insurance and conchord are made by expanding inward. Now tell me why you get paid for dying to the ploice. maybe something simple like cut the payout in half? Is EVE is RP game, then please allow me to run from Concord. Because, you know, no police in the world has 100% chance to catch criminals. And I'm not really into RP aspect of EVE, so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Empire run completely by corporations with governments serving as a puppets? If so, wouldn't insurance company could care less if someone broke the law?
Natalia Fachiri Minmatar Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.22 11:33:00 - [41] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Edited by: Brutor Shaun on 21/07/2007 17:25:08 One of the world's villages has lost it's idiot, and he's turned up in my local area. And what does he spend all day doing? Buying and insuring ships, then flying round the belts trying to blow up miners before Concord arrive and blow him up. rinse and repeat. It's getting very boring reading his e-peen crap in local, and miners new and old have no real comeback against the guy. He's out to get blown up, so war deccing him and blowing him up achieves nothing. The farce of insurance payouts after death-by-Concord should be scrapped. Suicide ganking needs some sort of reprisal. BTW, I'm not one of the miners who's suffering at the hands of this fool. Just a resident who's getting ****ed off with a stupid insurance system. To help you: make an alt, fly him to your system, set your clone there. Take the noob ship, fly to a belt, shoot a miner. The civilian gun will do nothing, but concord will intervene and pop the alt. and then concord will hang out in the belt for a while. 0 resonse time = instapopped aggressor. Word of warning thou, I dont know if this is considered an exploit.
Natalia Fachiri Minmatar Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.22 11:35:00 - [42] Originally by: Venec Edited by: Venec on 22/07/2007 11:16:20 Originally by: MotherMoon Is EVE is RP game, then please allow me to run from Concord. Because, you know, no police in the world has 100% chance to catch criminals. And I'm not really into RP aspect of EVE, so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Empire run completely by corporations with governments serving as a puppets? If so, wouldn't insurance company could care less if someone broke the law? Looking at it from the RP standpoint, why would a insurance company pay you if the police shoot your ship for breaking the law? The insurance company would look at hte bottom line and throw out any case like that in a heartbeat.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.07.22 11:40:00 - [43] Originally by: Natalia Fachiri To help you: make an alt, fly him to your system, set your clone there. Take the noob ship, fly to a belt, shoot a miner. The civilian gun will do nothing, but concord will intervene and pop the alt. and then concord will hang out in the belt for a while. 0 resonse time = instapopped aggressor. Word of warning thou, I dont know if this is considered an exploit. This tactic works and to my knowledge is not an exploit. However, eventually your ALT will get a sec status so low as to not be able to do that (won't take too long since CONCORD only hangs for about an hour if you're lucky). Recycling ALTs to avoid your sec status IS an exploit so your idea will work for a few hours of mining then you are back in the same boat you started.
Zebedee Jones	Posted - 2007.07.22 11:50:00 - [44] SCC shouldn't be paying out insurance that Concord or Navy or Customs ships have destroyed. Its a crazy concept, something that could have been changed years ago but was continually overlooked.
Cipher7 OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.22 11:52:00 - [45] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Originally by: Cipher7 And oh by the way, highsec piracy is a valid profession in my eyes. Insurance payout is part of that profession's safety net. Nerfing X profession to help Y profession is not the answer. High-sec piracy is a valid profession supported in full by the high-sec war-dec A safety net? Where is the safety net for the freighter pilots carrying billions in cargo? Nerfing X, a profession that has cropped up due to a lack of targets in lo-sec is certainly a good idea. Especially when it negatively impacts upon W, Y, and Z. It also causes a minority of people to disrupt a lot of the game for the majority of people. It's empire, it's full of carebears, they pay their subs, if pirates had their way just half the time empire would be as empty as lo-sec and EvE would loose a lot of subscribers. With that logic, we shouldn't have Wardec either. If Eve was a PVE game we'd have 5,000,000 carebears knocking down our doors. You know a few years ago what the best selling video game was? Myst. I never played it. Never met anybody who played it. But somehow, Myst was selling out in Walmart stores across the country. If every game based its success on # of sales we would have no video games out there except Deer Hunter, Myst, The Sims and World of Warcraft. What about the rest of us? What about the non-consentual PVP crowd? Where's our game? Oh yeah, it's Eve. If you really hate non-consentual PVP you are in luck, because %95 of the games out there cater to your kind. Luckily Eve exists for the other %5.
Irob Urore Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.22 11:56:00 - [46] /signed .. risk versus reward, will require some thought on the part of these suicidal gankers if they plan to throw away there next ship for that big score.
Reiisha Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.22 12:02:00 - [47] /signed Get rid of insurance payout when killed by CONCORD. 'Legit' high sec gankers out for the profitable kill can still do so if they want to, but at least this gets rid of the idiots. EVE History Wiki
Human Cattle	Posted - 2007.07.22 12:04:00 - [48] /semisigned accidents happen, and no insurance could really hurt a player. but what about people who build thier habbitation modules on a flood plain uhm?
Plentimon Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.22 12:08:00 - [49] Edited by: Plentimon on 22/07/2007 12:10:13 Originally by: Cipher7 What about the rest of us? What about the non-consentual PVP crowd? Where's our game? Oh yeah, it's Eve. If you really hate non-consentual PVP you are in luck, because %95 of the games out there cater to your kind. Luckily Eve exists for the other %5. Nobody, well no one but the true carebears is arguing that PVP should be completely disabled in High-Sec, or even that suicide ganking should be impossible. What is being argued is that there should be some kind of risk if you try it and fail, where at present there is none. If the miner/hauler fails to get away, the cost of the ship is generally going to be far less than the cost of what he was carrying if you decided it was a worthile target, and there is no 'safety net' for that. Meanwhile if you as a ganker fail to pop them before Concord gets you, you get the money to buy a new ship dumped directly to your wallet and you just have to shell out a bit extra for fittings. TBH, if you call yourself a pirate but want the game to provide you a 'safety net' so you can't really lose anything, you'd probably be far more at home among the much derided 'carebears'.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.07.22 12:14:00 - [50] hummm... i'm not sure about "no insurance payout at all" i'd favor a forfeit of any insurance upgrade though - putting the gist back into logistics
Brutor Shaun	Posted - 2007.07.22 12:20:00 - [51] Originally by: Human Cattle /semisigned accidents happen, and no insurance could really hurt a player. but what about people who build thier habbitation modules on a flood plain uhm? They tend to become un-insurable, like the property of many of the residents of my home town which has been flooded several times. Insurance companies won't touch them with the ****ty end of a stick. Bookmark Idea - My skills
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves	Posted - 2007.07.22 12:21:00 - [52] There should not be a single penny for ships destroyed by concord. Not even the default 50% insurance. The maximum I would see as viable would be a refund of the insurance fee. And this should not even hamper the professional suicide gankers that do it for a living very much, only the griefing bandwagon crowd that we all would be better off without anyway. I know that if I could bring myself to be a total ******* in a game I would easily get rich suicide ganking even if I did not get insurance. And the people falling victims to accidents? Their own fault. They either disabled warnings, or did something terminally stupid. In my almost two years of EVE I have only once come close to being concorded because of the latter, and I sure as hell would have deserved to lose my ship and its insurance for that. It is easy to avoid, you just have to be careful and pay attention to what you are doing. And isnt that exactly what the PvPers always advocate? That lazyness, negligence and inattention should be punished? That goes BOTH ways you know. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Venec Rave Technologies Inc. Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.07.22 12:23:00 - [53] Originally by: Natalia Fachiri Looking at it from the RP standpoint, why would a insurance company pay you if the police shoot your ship for breaking the law? The insurance company would look at hte bottom line and throw out any case like that in a heartbeat. To quote myself: Originally by: Venec And I'm not really into RP aspect of EVE, so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Empire run completely by corporations with governments serving as a puppets? If so, wouldn't insurance company could care less if someone broke the law? That is assuming that corporations have governments in their pockets. Think Weyland-Yutani ;]
Jade190	Posted - 2007.07.22 12:30:00 - [54] Maybe if you get the ** out of empire you wouldn't have to deal with suicides. You wanna talk about risks, but don't want to take any yourself. You want empire to be 100% safe for you so you can make money without any risk to you. If you take insurance off of CONCORDed ships, then all empire operation should then yield 10% of the profit they make today. STOP CAREBEARING AND GO PLAY THE ***** GAME!
Brutor Shaun	Posted - 2007.07.22 12:40:00 - [55] Originally by: Jade190 STOP CAREBEARING AND GO PLAY THE ******* GAME! AFAIK, Eve is a freeform game, where the player makes what they want of it. How you play, how I play, how all the other subscribers play, is up to them. It's your/my/their money. Use it how you want. Bookmark Idea - My skills
Ralgimanek	Posted - 2007.07.22 12:43:00 - [56] Pirates=Biggest Carebears They only go after what can't shoot back, turn tail and run the first sign of a fair fight. That is not PvP its just pathetic. Need to implement some balance into the game end the insurance payments at all for being popped by concord and then get podded. Then high sec gankers will actually have to balance risk vs reward like everyone else int the game.
Cipher7 OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.22 12:52:00 - [57] Originally by: Plentimon Nobody, well no one but the true carebears is arguing that PVP should be completely disabled in High-Sec, or even that suicide ganking should be impossible. What is being argued is that there should be some kind of risk if you try it and fail, where at present there is none. If the miner/hauler fails to get away, the cost of the ship is generally going to be far less than the cost of what he was carrying if you decided it was a worthile target, and there is no 'safety net' for that. Meanwhile if you as a ganker fail to pop them before Concord gets you, you get the money to buy a new ship dumped directly to your wallet and you just have to shell out a bit extra for fittings. TBH, if you call yourself a pirate but want the game to provide you a 'safety net' so you can't really lose anything, you'd probably be far more at home among the much derided 'carebears'. Insurance isn't so much a safety net as part of the profit/loss statement for a criminal organization. Removing insurance would simply make highsec piracy less profitable. How profitable is it now? How many hours does one have to camp a gate? How many people do you need? How often do you need to go work on your sec rating? What's the success rate? How much profit is split? Its easy to sit there and say, "Oh its too easy, theres no risk blah blah" Well go do it. You think its easy money? Go do it. Hey I fly haulers just like you do. I deal with it just like you. But I understand that the grass is not always greener on the other side, that everything isn't as easy or risk-free as people imagine it is. Lets not kid ourselves. The real motivation behind "suggestions" such as "lets remove insurance for concord blah blah" is an attempt to remove highsec ganking by making it less profitable.
Cipher7 OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.22 12:58:00 - [58] Originally by: Ralgimanek Pirates=Biggest Carebears They only go after what can't shoot back, turn tail and run the first sign of a fair fight. That is not PvP its just pathetic. Need to implement some balance into the game end the insurance payments at all for being popped by concord and then get podded. Then high sec gankers will actually have to balance risk vs reward like everyone else int the game. Then go do it, big boy. Everybody who thinks piracy is so easy should stfu and go do it. /me waits for the million excuses ppl come up with for why they aren't doing a profession they claim is so easy and risk-free. Why aren't the 20-some odd whiners in this thread doing any highsec ganking themselves? Since it seems its SOOOOO easy, profitable and risk free. I mean what have you got to lose? Insurance pays you back. Go do it.
Zeonos Amarr Fairtrade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.22 15:29:00 - [59] Originally by: Venec Is EVE is RP game, then please allow me to run from Concord. Because, you know, no police in the world has 100% chance to catch criminals. And I'm not really into RP aspect of EVE, so correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Empire run completely by corporations with governments serving as a puppets? If so, wouldn't insurance company could care less if someone broke the law? well now this is far in the future, where the police have better scanning abilities. and arive on the scene of crime a bit faster than normal police does. Look I Hijacked a sig!! -Kaemonn <3 Kaemonn -Zeonos A sunset with Kaemonn... how nice... -Wachtmeister In Eve-Online Forum Hijack Signature! -Ivan K This space is reserved for moderator hijacking, Need more colors!
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.22 15:39:00 - [60] Why would any insurance company company insure a pilot who is incapable of defending himself? Remove all insurance from miners, haulers and other bears, please.

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