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Brutor Shaun	Posted - 2007.07.21 17:21:00 - [1] One of the world's villages has lost it's idiot, and he's turned up in my local area. And what does he spend all day doing? Buying and insuring ships, then flying round the belts trying to blow up miners before Concord arrive and blow him up. rinse and repeat. It's getting very boring reading his e-peen crap in local, and miners new and old have no real comeback against the guy. He's out to get blown up, so war deccing him and blowing him up achieves nothing. If the farce of insurance payouts after death-by-Concord should be scrapped. Suicide ganking needs some sort of reprisal. BTW, I'm not one of the miners who's suffering at the hands of this fool. Just a resident who's getting ****ed off with a stupid insurance system. Bookmark Idea - My skills
Hannobaal Gallente Dragonfire Intergalactic Crusaders of Krom Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.21 17:23:00 - [2] I agree. If you lose your ship to Concord, you should not get insurance. ------------------
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2007.07.21 17:26:00 - [3] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Edited by: Brutor Shaun on 21/07/2007 17:25:08 One of the world's villages has lost it's idiot, and he's turned up in my local area. And what does he spend all day doing? Buying and insuring ships, then flying round the belts trying to blow up miners before Concord arrive and blow him up. rinse and repeat. It's getting very boring reading his e-peen crap in local, and miners new and old have no real comeback against the guy. He's out to get blown up, so war deccing him and blowing him up achieves nothing. The farce of insurance payouts after death-by-Concord should be scrapped. Suicide ganking needs some sort of reprisal. BTW, I'm not one of the miners who's suffering at the hands of this fool. Just a resident who's getting **ed off with a stupid insurance system. So after a few kills his sec standing will drop and prevent him from coming in ? SKUNK Originally by:** Fink Angel They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.
Yagyu Retsudo	Posted - 2007.07.21 17:27:00 - [4] Originally by: Le Skunk So after a few kills his sec standing will drop and prevent him from coming in ? SKUNK Yeah, then he can make another trial.
Brutor Shaun	Posted - 2007.07.21 17:29:00 - [5] Originally by: Le Skunk So after a few kills his sec standing will drop and prevent him from coming in ? And he goes ratting for a while. rinse and repeat. Bookmark Idea - My skills
Malicious Wraith Minmatar The Dark Side of the Moon	Posted - 2007.07.21 17:30:00 - [6] Bloody hell, Insurance by death of concord makes high sec suicide running possible, and profitable. Dont trash it, we need high sec suicide runs, its better for EvE. ----------------------------------------
CaptainSeafort Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2007.07.21 18:27:00 - [7] Edited by: CaptainSeafort on 21/07/2007 18:26:52 i agree, hisec ganking is screwd up. it should be profitable becuase youve chosen a good target - ie, the idiot hauling megacyte in his velator. not because concord pops you then says "oh, sorry bout that ship. heres a new one!" "Planets and moons no longer hitch rides on player ships. Their towel privileges have been revoked." HHGG Lives on in EVE!
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.07.21 18:43:00 - [8] Agreed. If it was supposed to be profitable to attack people in empire CONCORD would be tankable/defeatable. The thing is at the moment empire suicide ganks provide the gameplay that lo-sec is supposed to and removing that without providing a reasonable alternative would generate massive pi-rat emo-fits on the forums.
Del Narveux Dukes of Hazard	Posted - 2007.07.21 20:05:00 - [9] How about instead of getting nothing from concord death, you get like half insurance or something? A lot of people lose their ships in accidents where they shoot the wrong person, or remote rep goes haywire, its not really fair to screw them over completely because some people have found its possible to lose next to nothing when suiciding certain ships. _________________ [SAK] Alumnus--And Proud Of It! -- aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base? Originally by: Wrangler Well, at least we have forum PvP..
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.07.21 20:09:00 - [10] Originally by: Yagyu Retsudo Originally by: Le Skunk So after a few kills his sec standing will drop and prevent him from coming in ? SKUNK Yeah, then he can make another trial. Sircumwenting the sec-rate by using throw-away alts are a bannable offence afaik. Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Zeonos Amarr Fairtrade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.21 20:10:00 - [11] and how would this solve the problem?... the guy uses trail you say, if he blows a miner he can pick up loot and earn enugh for 10/20 new frigs. its a minor loss. only one getting hurt, are those suiciding freighters. Look I Hijacked a sig!! -Kaemonn <3 Kaemonn -Zeonos A sunset with Kaemonn... how nice... -Wachtmeister In Eve-Online Forum Hijack Signature! -Ivan K This space is reserved for moderator hijacking, Need more colors!
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.21 20:11:00 - [12] Originally by: Malicious Wraith Bloody hell, Insurance by death of concord makes high sec suicide running possible, and profitable. Dont trash it, we need high sec suicide runs, its better for EvE. eve is a RP game. everything including insurance and conchord are made by expanding inward. Now tell me why you get paid for dying to the ploice. maybe something simple like cut the payout in half? ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.21 20:14:00 - [13] I'm pretty sure that if the state patrol shot my car up because I robbed a bank Allstate wouldn't pay for it..... <-----------> Factional Warfare: The LowSec wars which never happened.
Mortuus Minmatar Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.21 20:30:00 - [14] Because in a game where corps operate as nations, they don't care who they do business with. Capsuleers are above most laws other than who has the biggest guns. Each day we kill thousands of people in combat. Hell, one battleship lost is the size of a small town of about 6000 people. Where the Empires might only have 1 or 2 Titans, Capsuleer alliances may have 6-7. We have an agreement, within empire we accept that we may be shot, and the empires allow us to do our business there so we don't shoot them. Keeping the balance between the Empires and the 0.0 Capsuleer community is more important than those who live in Empire, feeding off it and returning nothing to it. ex-Occassus Republica <3
Foxy CEO Altcenaries	Posted - 2007.07.21 20:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Edited by: Brutor Shaun on 21/07/2007 17:25:08 One of the world's villages has lost it's idiot, yum... irony... NBALT Recruitment
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.21 20:48:00 - [16] Originally by: Mortuus Because in a game where corps operate as nations, they don't care who they do business with. Capsuleers are above most laws other than who has the biggest guns. Each day we kill thousands of people in combat. Hell, one battleship lost is the size of a small town of about 6000 people. Where the Empires might only have 1 or 2 Titans, Capsuleer alliances may have 6-7. We have an agreement, within empire we accept that we may be shot, and the empires allow us to do our business there so we don't shoot them. Keeping the balance between the Empires and the 0.0 Capsuleer community is more important than those who live in Empire, feeding off it and returning nothing to it. problem there according to the lore the empires titans are about 3 times the size of a station. our titans are babies compared. the empires are not the ones that pay out our insurance. basicly we are asking, make eve harder, which a good thing. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Daelin Blackleaf No Joy Corp Pride - Honor - Duty	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:42:00 - [17] You'll find a lot of people who push for alterations to make life riskier only want EvE made harder for other people. Frankly the idea of insured suicide ganks is ridiculous. What kind of PR does it generate for an insurance company when they make payouts to pilots who repeatedly go up against "death by cop" taking several thousand people with them. All in the name of taking down relatively peaceful miners, haulers, and freighters. Asides from that it's just a lousy game-play mechanic and a lame replacement for what true piracy should be. Provide something in lo-sec that you can't get anywhere else (thus meaning the less people in lo-sec the more profit there is and the more people are tempted out there - population balance via the market) and as CCP mentioned before allow interdiction in lo-sec, which would also do something about a couple of other major piracy issues.
Foxy CEO Altcenaries	Posted - 2007.07.21 21:47:00 - [18] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf What kind of PR does it generate for an insurance company when they make payouts to pilots who repeatedly go up against "death by cop" taking several thousand people with them. All in the name of taking down relatively peaceful miners, haulers, and freighters. You violence my wallet, I violence your boat. NBALT Recruitment
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Angelwhisper Caldari Genos Occidere	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:00:00 - [20] Originally by: Malicious Wraith Bloody hell, Insurance by death of concord makes high sec suicide running possible, and profitable. Dont trash it, we need high sec suicide runs, its better for EvE. Agree and omg is that really you!?
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:01:00 - [21] Originally by: Inn0cent Victim hi mom hey ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:14:00 - [22] Edited by: Tarminic on 21/07/2007 22:14:38 Originally by: Inn0cent Victim hi mom My Little Pony in Space sucks. I prefer this game! ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION IBTL! IBDS/DC! IBTC! 1st in a BoB post! And other such forum tom-foolery.
Happydayz FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.21 22:15:00 - [23] Originally by: Brutor Shaun Originally by: Le Skunk So after a few kills his sec standing will drop and prevent him from coming in ? And he goes ratting for a while. rinse and repeat. You obviously have no idea how painful it is to grind back security status, even with 0.0 ratting.
Adaris Dark and Light inc.	Posted - 2007.07.21 23:48:00 - [24] If you lose a ship to concord you should get 1/2 platinum insurance. it simply does not make sense to get paid for committing a crime. Overhaul this feature. Please Help me, YOU could be next!
Plentimon Amarr	Posted - 2007.07.22 00:11:00 - [25] Originally by: Zeonos and how would this solve the problem?... the guy uses trail you say, if he blows a miner he can pick up loot and earn enugh for 10/20 new frigs. its a minor loss. only one getting hurt, are those suiciding freighters. And that's a bad thing? The point is right now even if you fail to take out the target before Concord pops you, your loss is minimal, it's not like there are a lot of suicide gankers out there using faction fittings,so you get the money to replace your ship and maybe have to drop a little extra on fittings. I have no problem with suicide ganking per se, but with the current insurance setting the way it is, all of the risk is on the haulers/miners, because the money isn't in their ships, it's in what they are carrying. The loss for the gankers is minimal if they fail, and the rewards great if they succeed.
Sebesto Minmatar Destination Unknown	Posted - 2007.07.22 00:30:00 - [26] Another thing about trial accounts. You shouldn't be able to lock anything other than a NPC in 0.5 - 1.0 space. This will prevent people from using an account they never plan on keeping and also prevent new players from accidently making a fatal flaw on their first few days.
Dulsung	Posted - 2007.07.22 00:45:00 - [27] Originally by: Adaris If you lose a ship to concord you should get 1/2 platinum insurance. it simply does not make sense to get paid for committing a crime. Overhaul this feature. Half plat? Hardly! You should get absolutely nothing, probably a fine actually for making CONCORD waste time and fuel and ammo on you.
Frug Zenithal Harvest	Posted - 2007.07.22 00:53:00 - [28] Mistakes do happen. I'm not a griefer and I've accidentally ****ed off concord myself. 1/2 the normal insurance payout sounds fair for everyone. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Cipher7 OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.22 00:55:00 - [29] His sec rating is going down, eventually he won't be welcome in empire. Easiest way to deal with ppl is just to go do something else for a bit.
Cipher7 OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.22 01:00:00 - [30] And oh by the way, highsec piracy is a valid profession in my eyes. Insurance payout is part of that profession's safety net. Nerfing X profession to help Y profession is not the answer.

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