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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.07.23 06:32:00 -
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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 23/07/2007 06:34:05
 Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: Kizbet
But when one of those noobs in their hauler gets suicide ganked by them it's "live and learn!".
Industrialists have the best position in the game.
When people like me lose a ship, people like you get paid.
How much money you got?
Prolly 50 times more than me.
Yeah keep workin that "woe is me" speech.
Stronzate, and you know it perfectly.
T1 ship production has a 5% or less return, module production has a similar reutrn, only T2 production has a decent return, and only for some module.
Market undercutting keep the priuces very low, so you whining that you don't earn enough is really absurd.
Hig sek ganking should be allowed, but not subsided by the insurance company.
If you need a external subsidy to keep in business you aren't a "pirate", you are someone employee like the mission runners you so hate.
BTW, getting payd by NPC to suicide gank is exactly like getting paid to run missions.
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Pax Uranus
Sofa.Kingdom
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Posted - 2007.07.23 06:41:00 -
[92]
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Gypsio III
Why would any insurance company company insure a pilot who is incapable of defending himself? Remove all insurance from miners, haulers and other bears, please.
in a way I agree insurance should be based on what you were doing when you lost it.
concord doesnt pay your insurance a separate professional company does
they dont care if you skin kittens for a living they make business with you
Technically, they run a really bad business. Combine "default" free insurance and then add in that, as a company, they're likely to only make money on insurance contracts that are completed with no payout (insurance that runs out before your ship dies - yeah, right lol) and you end up with "insurance" companies that hemorrhage money and customers who make out like bandits.
If only it were like that in the real world :(
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Jacques Danton
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.23 06:45:00 -
[93]
Originally by: SiJira
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Gypsio III
Why would any insurance company company insure a pilot who is incapable of defending himself? Remove all insurance from miners, haulers and other bears, please.
in a way I agree insurance should be based on what you were doing when you lost it.
concord doesnt pay your insurance a separate professional company does
they dont care if you skin kittens for a living they make business with you
BS - you people really sound dumb - so it's a private company and which private company would repeatedly pay *insurance* to mongrels that *intentionally* commit suicide, because it's called suicide ganking for a reason. Insurance is covering risk, that's why you pay part of what the ship is worth, not all of it. The moment you intentionally destroy that ship risk goes out the window - no insurance company would pay you a dime, otherwise they would logically go broke, i.e. giving away several times more money than they get. So all the idiots claiming that just because insurance is a private business that has nothing to do with Concord or the governments - go check your head with a doctor... or grow something in it and then go check it...
Pirates really ARE the biggest whining carebears in this game - they want it easy in every way, there is really one (1) penalty for being a pirate - not being able to enter hi-sec every now and then, and you even get paid for "fixing" your sec-rating by ratting, which is another idiotic game mechanic. Why are criminals paid by Concord of all entities for killing other criminals? Can you imagine a one-year ("ratting") conflict between, say, the Angel Cartel and the Guristas - by the time they're done killing each other Concord would fund their leaders so much, both of them, and would increase their sec-rating so high that the leaders of the gangs'd be both richer and better friends of Concord than any non-government entity... right? Would make perfect sense... 
Go on whining, little pirate crying carebears, play your hypocritical game of pretending others are such...
Oh, and Cypher7 - you think industrialists have it easier - go play one and come back in an year. I'm looking forward to *your* excuses as to why you cannot/will not do that even though piracy is supposed to soooooooooooooooo hard and blah-blah...
As for your comment - when you lose a ship *you* get your money back + whatever profit you made commiting suicide, the easy-going industrialist gets back the money for the ship and *loses* the value of whatever was in it when it blew up. Yes, pirates have it real hard, so hard one has to pity them for their continued whining...
One funny question - since every pirate here seems to be strangely inclined to compare the game to RL when it pleases them and not when it doesn't - if there were no clones or alts in this game - would you still commit suicide ganking, you know - like in RL? Because it's exactly the flawed game mechanics that allow you to do it...
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Arenthia D'naga
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Posted - 2007.07.23 10:34:00 -
[94]
Dude, your face...
(mandatory reply)
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Jhonen Senraedi
Minmatar
Vaapad Shinobis
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.07.23 11:37:00 -
[95]
Yep..It's hard being a pirate..I mean...being unable to enter hi-sec issuch a pain...oh wait...I forgot..I can use one of my many alts!
Paying insurance on suiciders is stupid...no company with any business acumen whatsoever would do it...Nor would CONCORD or the respective factions look favourably on companies that openly aided and abetted criminals.
People always come up with the counter to any Real Life comparisons by saying..It's a game...well..a game based on the advancement of humans and such..ergo grounded in our current reality...and
If grounded in a reality where payments for a suicide are refused/Police seize a criminal's assets..surely..it is a logical path that payments for illegal ventures(Suicide Ganking)are removed.
There is also a case for Pilots with pirate/outlaw status being kicked from certain NPC corps...any faction navy/training schools etc...but that is another debate and until certain aspects of logical realism are brought in..it is,like disposable alts,fine for people to hide in NPC corps without fear of retribution.
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Foxy CEO
Altcenaries
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Posted - 2007.07.23 12:30:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Pax Uranus
Technically, they run a really bad business. Combine "default" free insurance and then add in that, as a company, they're likely to only make money on insurance contracts that are completed with no payout (insurance that runs out before your ship dies - yeah, right lol) and you end up with "insurance" companies that hemorrhage money and customers who make out like bandits.
If only it were like that in the real world :(
Something like 90% of my insured ships last beyond their initial contract or are repackaged for moving. I'm a bit more risk averse than normal, but not terribly so.
Granted, I normally have a dozen or so different ships/setups at any time, so I'm less efficient in my insurance spending than someone who always flies the same ship.
My insurers have almost certainly made a profit from me, though, and I'd imagine most empire dwellers are more profitable for security co's than I am.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.07.23 12:36:00 -
[97]
I only bother to insure battleships just before taking them out into battle. Can't be bothered to insure anything else since i have 30+ combat ship scattered across half the map.
Insurance is indeed a bit of a crap system. On the other hand, removing it entirely (which I would prefer to be honest) is too big a step IMO to take at this point in time.
What I would do is remove platinum insurance and see if Eve still works without it. Insurance is a pretty central and integrated system, I would start addressing it in small steps. Don't give out new platinum insurance contracts (current ones should be honored of course) and see what happens.
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Cipher7
OldBastardsPub
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.23 12:38:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Jhonen Senraedi
Yep..It's hard being a pirate..I mean...being unable to enter hi-sec issuch a pain...oh wait...I forgot..I can use one of my many alts!
Paying insurance on suiciders is stupid...no company with any business acumen whatsoever would do it...Nor would CONCORD or the respective factions look favourably on companies that openly aided and abetted criminals.
People always come up with the counter to any Real Life comparisons by saying..It's a game...well..a game based on the advancement of humans and such..ergo grounded in our current reality...and
If grounded in a reality where payments for a suicide are refused/Police seize a criminal's assets..surely..it is a logical path that payments for illegal ventures(Suicide Ganking)are removed.
There is also a case for Pilots with pirate/outlaw status being kicked from certain NPC corps...any faction navy/training schools etc...but that is another debate and until certain aspects of logical realism are brought in..it is,like disposable alts,fine for people to hide in NPC corps without fear of retribution.
Yeah lets remove crime from Eve.
Then we can all have a mining op and eat pie.
Won't that be fun.
What is highsec ganking?
It's simply crime.
Should there be no Crime in Eve?
Should there be no robbery?
In New York City there are 40,000 cops, but people still get robbed, carjacked, murdered, corruption, embezzlement and so forth.
Highsec ganking is one of the Eve approximations of Crime.
Why does insurance pay criminal?
I dunno, why does insurance pay the Mafia when they burn down their own store?
Because they're the Mafia. Because Crime always finds a way.
No matter how many jails they build, no matter how many cops, there will always be crime.
I suppose its possible to remove crime from Eve. We can make it so if you try to shoot anybody you get a "sorry you cannot do that" above your head.
Yet Crime is specifically allowed.
Why is that?
Because Crime is what makes Eve Eve. Here you CAN be a criminal.
I'm not a criminal but I would not want to play any game where there is no crime, no robbery and so forth.
Solution : Get a thicken skin, grow a brain, manage your risks, only undock with what you can afford to lose, and stop being lazy.
If you take 200m worth of stuff in a ship that costs more than 200m to gank, they cant gank you.
Cost/Benefit ratio.
If you take 1b worth of stuff in t1 indy to Jita, its like walking down a dark alley with a Rolex. You are just plain asking for it.
Welcome to Eve.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.07.23 12:44:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: Jhonen Senraedi
Yep..It's hard being a pirate..I mean...being unable to enter hi-sec issuch a pain...oh wait...I forgot..I can use one of my many alts!
Paying insurance on suiciders is stupid...no company with any business acumen whatsoever would do it...Nor would CONCORD or the respective factions look favourably on companies that openly aided and abetted criminals.
People always come up with the counter to any Real Life comparisons by saying..It's a game...well..a game based on the advancement of humans and such..ergo grounded in our current reality...and
If grounded in a reality where payments for a suicide are refused/Police seize a criminal's assets..surely..it is a logical path that payments for illegal ventures(Suicide Ganking)are removed.
There is also a case for Pilots with pirate/outlaw status being kicked from certain NPC corps...any faction navy/training schools etc...but that is another debate and until certain aspects of logical realism are brought in..it is,like disposable alts,fine for people to hide in NPC corps without fear of retribution.
Yeah lets remove crime from Eve.
Then we can all have a mining op and eat pie.
Won't that be fun.
What is highsec ganking?
It's simply crime.
Should there be no Crime in Eve?
Should there be no robbery?
In New York City there are 40,000 cops, but people still get robbed, carjacked, murdered, corruption, embezzlement and so forth.
Highsec ganking is one of the Eve approximations of Crime.
Why does insurance pay criminal?
I dunno, why does insurance pay the Mafia when they burn down their own store?
Because they're the Mafia. Because Crime always finds a way.
No matter how many jails they build, no matter how many cops, there will always be crime.
I suppose its possible to remove crime from Eve. We can make it so if you try to shoot anybody you get a "sorry you cannot do that" above your head.
Yet Crime is specifically allowed.
Why is that?
Because Crime is what makes Eve Eve. Here you CAN be a criminal.
I'm not a criminal but I would not want to play any game where there is no crime, no robbery and so forth.
Solution : Get a thicken skin, grow a brain, manage your risks, only undock with what you can afford to lose, and stop being lazy.
If you take 200m worth of stuff in a ship that costs more than 200m to gank, they cant gank you.
Cost/Benefit ratio.
If you take 1b worth of stuff in t1 indy to Jita, its like walking down a dark alley with a Rolex. You are just plain asking for it.
Welcome to Eve.
Nobody is saying there should be no crime. If they said that, they wouldn't ask for removal of insurance for suicide gankers, they'd ask for making it impossible to shoot people in highsec.
I think the difference is this. If you walk around with a Rolex in the Bronx, you're kinda asking for it, ok. But what about the old lady walking home with a big bag of groceries, is that also 'asking for it'? Or the homeless guy with a 6 pack of beer next to him on the park-bench, is he 'asking for it'?
The matter of suicide ganking and insurance only determines the level of loot at which crime becomes profitable, and not the question whether crime will occur. An iteron 5 with 2 billion in cargo getting suicided by a caracal, insurance or not would be irrelevant.
Removing insurance for suicide gankers will just make the marginally profitable gankings disappear and reduce the suicide gank to being used against extremely high prized targets who don't defend their stuff well enough.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.07.23 12:47:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Cipher7
I liked this part
Solution : Get a thicken skin, grow a brain, manage your risks, only undock with what you can afford to lose, and stop being lazy.
err ok then do it without insurance. no one said no ganking in highse.
-oh? you don't want to gank without insurance? well "Get a thicken skin"
-you don't know how you'll afford this? "grow a brain"
-how will I make profit if the freighter doesn't pay out!?! "manage your risks"
-but the payout is what makes it ok to lose my ship "only undock with what you can afford to lose"
-you like getting all you money back without having to work for it? "stop being lazy"
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Xtreem
Gallente
Scientific Creative Underworld Mafia
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Posted - 2007.07.23 12:50:00 -
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yeah i wanna play carebare online, total safe space at all times, do away with war decs and make all 0.0 chock points randomly drop you in space upto 30 au from anything.
make scan probes not find anything
make anyone firing at anouth player take twice the damage themselves.
oh and make rats say sorry after they shoot at you!
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Cipher7
OldBastardsPub
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.23 13:26:00 -
[102]
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Cipher7
I liked this part
Solution : Get a thicken skin, grow a brain, manage your risks, only undock with what you can afford to lose, and stop being lazy.
err ok then do it without insurance. no one said no ganking in highse.
-oh? you don't want to gank without insurance? well "Get a thicken skin"
-you don't know how you'll afford this? "grow a brain"
-how will I make profit if the freighter doesn't pay out!?! "manage your risks"
-but the payout is what makes it ok to lose my ship "only undock with what you can afford to lose"
-you like getting all you money back without having to work for it? "stop being lazy"
Pirates have adapted and will continue to adapt.
Carebears such as yourself will continue to bleat.
Nothing will change but the mechanics.
Remember what ppl were saying about can tagging?
What changed?
Nothing. Now people like you still get robbed and newbies who try to take back their stuff get hurt.
Crime didn't stop, it just evolved into something nastier.
How many times need we go down this road?
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Jacques Danton
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.23 13:44:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Cipher7
I liked this part
Solution : Get a thicken skin, grow a brain, manage your risks, only undock with what you can afford to lose, and stop being lazy.
err ok then do it without insurance. no one said no ganking in highse.
-oh? you don't want to gank without insurance? well "Get a thicken skin"
-you don't know how you'll afford this? "grow a brain"
-how will I make profit if the freighter doesn't pay out!?! "manage your risks"
-but the payout is what makes it ok to lose my ship "only undock with what you can afford to lose"
-you like getting all you money back without having to work for it? "stop being lazy"
Pirates have adapted and will continue to adapt.
Carebears such as yourself will continue to bleat.
Nothing will change but the mechanics.
Remember what ppl were saying about can tagging?
What changed?
Nothing. Now people like you still get robbed and newbies who try to take back their stuff get hurt.
Crime didn't stop, it just evolved into something nastier.
How many times need we go down this road?
Oh, really? For starters - why ignore my previous post - care to address it, eh?
And if you are so adaptable why the whine of such proportions - take your insurance away if you are killed by Concord and ADAPT, whiner! Whiner, because you seem to put an awful lot of effort to avoid having to adapt at all keeping it all easy for you, all the while screaming and pointing fingers at others supposedly having problems doing the same. The fact that what people ask for here makes perfect sense is obviously irrelevant for you - who is the whining carebear here, eh? Have a mirror nearby?
You are such a good example of "pirate"/"pvp" hypocritical whining carebear overshadowing anybody else it's not even funny...
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Cipher7
OldBastardsPub
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.23 13:45:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
The matter of suicide ganking and insurance only determines the level of loot at which crime becomes profitable, and not the question whether crime will occur. An iteron 5 with 2 billion in cargo getting suicided by a caracal, insurance or not would be irrelevant.
Yes exactly.
What you are asking for, a crime nerf. Make crime pay less. Make criminals wait more for a profitable target.
I do not believe there is ENOUGH crime in Eve to warrant nerfing the crime profession.
Out of all the haulers and freighters out there, how many get ganked in highsec every day?
2? 3? 5?
And that's supposed to be a crime wave?
I guess my threshold for grittiness is higher than most.
I'm almost thrilled when someone tries to rob me, it happens so rarely that its like "wow this guy is actually trying to ransom me, how cool!"
I've been robbed and ganked a few times.
Not nearly enough to raise an eyebrow or cause me to think "wow eve is really hardcore"
If Eve was a city it wouldn't be New York, theres not nearly enough crime.
It would be more like Wabash, Wisconsin.
You wanna eliminate %90 of crime in Eve?
Use a tanked transport to haul valuable stuff.
Its so easy to operate risk-free in Eve, I never understand what everybody's complaining about.
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Cipher7
OldBastardsPub
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.23 13:51:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Jacques Danton
And if you are so adaptable why the whine of such proportions
Because I like the concept of having Crime in a MMORPG even though I am a victim of it myself from time to time.
And no, I am not a pirate, though I support the existance of the piracy profession.
Any questions?
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Jacques Danton
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.23 14:01:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: Jacques Danton
And if you are so adaptable why the whine of such proportions
Because I like the concept of having Crime in a MMORPG even though I am a victim of it myself from time to time.
And no, I am not a pirate, though I support the existance of the piracy profession.
Any questions?
One (or maybe more) - how come you are so incapable and unwilling to take your *own* advice on the matter and leave this thread and issue alone? Like being a hypocrit too much? Can't you see that your own advice contradict yourself and make you look even more ridiculous? Do you have the brain to realise that what is being asked for here is not going to eliminate crime and most certainly not suicide ganking, it's just going even the playfield a bit by correcting the risk/profit ratio for crime and criminals?
In addition - address the post I made in this thread please - the big one.
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Cipher7
OldBastardsPub
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.23 14:07:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Jacques Danton
stuff
I realize this thread is not asking for a Crime removal, its asking for a crime reduction.
My position is simply there is not enough crime in Eve to warrant this.
I think there should be a good balance of all professions, and I believe at this time crime does not have a significant impact on highsec commerce.
Dont remember what you wrote earlier but I will scroll up.
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Cipher7
OldBastardsPub
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.23 14:15:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Jacques Danton
Oh, and Cypher7 - you think industrialists have it easier - go play one and come back in an year. I'm looking forward to *your* excuses as to why you cannot/will not do that even though piracy is supposed to soooooooooooooooo hard and blah-blah...
I mine, I build, I trade, I fight.
At this time I do not practice piracy.
This is not about "my profession" vs "your profession."
Get a grip scrub.
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Jacques Danton
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.23 14:23:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Cipher7 (Cipher7's style too)
Blah-blah
Your ongoing stupid rant in this thread was already addressed pretty well, based on your *own* advice:
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Cipher7
I liked this part
Solution : Get a thicken skin, grow a brain, manage your risks, only undock with what you can afford to lose, and stop being lazy.
err ok then do it without insurance. no one said no ganking in highse.
-oh? you don't want to gank without insurance? well "Get a thicken skin"
-you don't know how you'll afford this? "grow a brain"
-how will I make profit if the freighter doesn't pay out!?! "manage your risks"
-but the payout is what makes it ok to lose my ship "only undock with what you can afford to lose"
-you like getting all you money back without having to work for it? "stop being lazy"
So, either what you gave as advice was idiotic and you obviously didn't mean it, i.e. you posted utter crap all the time, or you are just a spineless individual unwilling to actually walk the walk after talking the talk - either way you are not worth arguing with. Any questions?
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Cipher7
OldBastardsPub
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.23 14:33:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Jacques Danton
mental diarrhea
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.07.23 14:33:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Jacques Danton
Originally by: Cipher7 (Cipher7's style too)
Blah-blah
Your ongoing stupid rant in this thread was already addressed pretty well, based on your *own* advice:
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Cipher7
I liked this part
Solution : Get a thicken skin, grow a brain, manage your risks, only undock with what you can afford to lose, and stop being lazy.
err ok then do it without insurance. no one said no ganking in highse.
-oh? you don't want to gank without insurance? well "Get a thicken skin"
-you don't know how you'll afford this? "grow a brain"
-how will I make profit if the freighter doesn't pay out!?! "manage your risks"
-but the payout is what makes it ok to lose my ship "only undock with what you can afford to lose"
-you like getting all you money back without having to work for it? "stop being lazy"
So, either what you gave as advice was idiotic and you obviously didn't mean it, i.e. you posted utter crap all the time, or you are just a spineless individual unwilling to actually walk the walk after talking the talk - either way you are not worth arguing with. Any questions?
it's not advice I pointing out that he was talking about himself.
my point was your a carebear yourself by saying I want my security blanket incsce the freighter is empty.
walk the walk? hell I would love to run a high sec gank and lose my ship and not get paid just to take the rewards form the freighter. why?
Because I don't fly what I can't afford to lose, I have brains to make sure I can take out the the target., I can weigh risk and make a profit with or without insurance. risk vs reward. and a freighter in high sec has more reward than one in low sec. so which has more risk, high or low sec ganks? ok so if high sec has higher risk and rewards why would you be pised at insurance and think that you wouldn't be able to do it? don't yu want to risk something?
that's what makes this game fun.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.07.23 14:36:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: Jacques Danton
stuff
I realize this thread is not asking for a Crime removal, its asking for a crime reduction.
My position is simply there is not enough crime in Eve to warrant this.
I think there should be a good balance of all professions, and I believe at this time crime does not have a significant impact on highsec commerce.
Dont remember what you wrote earlier but I will scroll up.
agreed, how about ganking in high sec and losing your ship pays out half insurance?
or you get a conchord bounty on your characters head?
of crouse for idea 2 to work we'd have to not be able to blast our friends and make a profit :/
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Jacques Danton
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.23 14:40:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Jacques Danton on 23/07/2007 14:44:41
Originally by: MotherMoon
it's not advice I pointing out that he was talking about himself.
my point was your a carebear yourself by saying I want my security blanket incsce the freighter is empty.
walk the walk? hell I would love to run a high sec gank and lose my ship and not get paid just to take the rewards form the freighter. why?
Because I don't fly what I can't afford to lose, I have brains to make sure I can take out the the target., I can weigh risk and make a profit with or without insurance. risk vs reward. and a freighter in high sec has more reward than one in low sec. so which has more risk, high or low sec ganks? ok so if high sec has higher risk and rewards why would you be pised at insurance and think that you wouldn't be able to do it? don't yu want to risk something?
that's what makes this game fun.
You did get it that what was written (in the sense of the whole post) was directed to Cipher7, right? Right?
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Cipher7
OldBastardsPub
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.23 15:05:00 -
[114]
You know what kind of changes I'd like to see?
I'd like to see people in NPC corps be wardeccable.
So if a bunch of SWA gank my hauler, I can make them pay.
Often theres no accountability, no way to make people pay for their crimes.
I respect criminals that actually join criminal corps, so you can wardec them.
I think anybody who practices crime should be in a corp.
And furthermore I think you should have to be in a corp to post on the forums, theres too many cowards running their mouths with alts.
Props to the ppl who posted with their mains. The rest of you posting with alts are a disgrace.
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Jacques Danton
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.07.23 15:09:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Cipher7
You know what kind of changes I'd like to see?
I'd like to see people in NPC corps be wardeccable.
So if a bunch of SWA gank my hauler, I can make them pay.
Often theres no accountability, no way to make people pay for their crimes.
I respect criminals that actually join criminal corps, so you can wardec them.
I think anybody who practices crime should be in a corp.
And furthermore I think you should have to be in a corp to post on the forums, theres too many cowards running their mouths with alts.
Props to the ppl who posted with their mains. The rest of you posting with alts are a disgrace.
Wouldn't such measures reduce the crime you supposedly care so much about? Aren't you, sort of, contradicting yourself *yet* again? It would appear you exhausted your "arguments" to such an extent you are already drifting into the zone of the utterly ridiculous? You are here to protect the criminals from anything that is supposed to make their life harder, remember?
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.07.23 15:16:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Jacques Danton
Edited by: Jacques Danton on 23/07/2007 14:44:41
Originally by: MotherMoon
it's not advice I pointing out that he was talking about himself.
my point was your a carebear yourself by saying I want my security blanket incsce the freighter is empty.
walk the walk? hell I would love to run a high sec gank and lose my ship and not get paid just to take the rewards form the freighter. why?
Because I don't fly what I can't afford to lose, I have brains to make sure I can take out the the target., I can weigh risk and make a profit with or without insurance. risk vs reward. and a freighter in high sec has more reward than one in low sec. so which has more risk, high or low sec ganks? ok so if high sec has higher risk and rewards why would you be pised at insurance and think that you wouldn't be able to do it? don't yu want to risk something?
that's what makes this game fun.
You did get it that what was written (in the sense of the whole post) was directed to Cipher7, right? Right?
nope I thought you were flaming me
FTL...
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Posted - 2007.07.23 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
You know what kind of changes I'd like to see?
I'd like to see people in NPC corps be wardeccable.
So if a bunch of SWA gank my hauler, I can make them pay.
The rather obvious problem with that is, wardec an NPC corp and you literally have free reign to slaughter thousands of hapless noobs. Honestly I wouldn't mind there being a time limit or something on how long you can stay in an NPC corp...but that leaves the problem of where do you go after, or do you get forced into joining the first available PC corp that will have you.
The more obvious solution though, which I'm sure you'll yell about being an attempt to nerf the oh so adaptable pirates, is that if you drop sec status, you get booted from your NPC corp. There is at least some attempt at immersion in EVE, and I doubt the State War Academy wants to be known far and wide as the best pirate haven in the galaxy. But that still leaves the problem of where you go when you get tossed from an NPC corp.
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Often theres no accountability, no way to make people pay for their crimes.
Isn't the fact that they're safely protected from war decs in their NPC corp part of the terribly clever pirates profit/loss calculation? Why do you want to nerf it instead of finding a way to adapt?
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Posted - 2007.07.23 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jacques Danton
Originally by: SiJira
concord doesnt pay your insurance a separate professional company does
they dont care if you skin kittens for a living they make business with you
BS - you people really sound dumb - so it's a private company and which private company would repeatedly pay *insurance* to mongrels that *intentionally* commit suicide, because it's called suicide ganking for a reason. Insurance is covering risk, that's why you pay part of what the ship is worth, not all of it. The moment you intentionally destroy that ship risk goes out the window - no insurance company would pay you a dime, otherwise they would logically go broke, i.e. giving away several times more money than they get. So all the idiots claiming that just because insurance is a private business that has nothing to do with Concord or the governments - go check your head with a doctor... or grow something in it and then go check it...
just like cloning its a private company meaning you have no reason not to get what you paid for
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One funny question - since every pirate here seems to be strangely inclined to compare the game to RL when it pleases them and not when it doesn't - if there were no clones or alts in this game - would you still commit suicide ganking, you know - like in RL? Because it's exactly the flawed game mechanics that allow you to do it...
i am not comparing anything to real life im telling you that insurance is separate from concord
can you stop trying to find holes where there are none?
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Posted - 2007.07.23 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: Jacques Danton
stuff
Post with your main.
I am not here to "protect" criminals, they can protect themselves.
I think all professions should exist and be fun/profitable.
You wanna be a criminal, take the penalties of being a criminal. Take your sec rating hit, be in a wardeccable corp, man up and be accountable.
None of that alt-recycling Caracal SWA munchkin activity, thats not crime, thats exploit according to CCP.
how about noob corp players don't get to use insurance?
or they aren't aloowed the higher plans because they are noobs?
why not make sec stats effect what insurance plan you can get?
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Posted - 2007.07.23 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: Plentimon
The more obvious solution though, which I'm sure you'll yell about being an attempt to nerf the oh so adaptable pirates, is that if you drop sec status, you get booted from your NPC corp.
That's a good idea, but wouldn't the SWA guy just recycle to another alt?
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