Originally by: FosterK

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Awesome list - one thing though, that Caldari POS tower is actually a Caldari Station ;)

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Originally by: Tallen Zek

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Are thay really changing how the scythe looks? it donent look like a miner now :( though i have to admit, i live the new look, looks agressive rofl, more so then the rupture.

BTW thanks for posting.

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Oh god no new dominix, I love the domi so much but man it looks like a head with a butt on it when viewed from the front.

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Originally by: Spoony Brook

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theres a ferox around somewhere, as well as an amarr frig (tormentor i think?) and a cruiser

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Originally by: Spoony Brook

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theres a ferox around somewhere, as well as an amarr frig (tormentor i think?) and a cruiser

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http://shexna.dk/evescreens/gallery.php
you called?
ferox in there I believe

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Originally by: Spoony Brook

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Originally by: Spoony Brook

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theres a ferox around somewhere, as well as an amarr frig (tormentor i think?) and a cruiser

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http://shexna.dk/evescreens/gallery.php
you called?
ferox in there I believe

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that was quick

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Originally by: Fink Angel

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They acted like Mr. Creasote at the all you can eat buffet, and CCP provided the Wafer Theeen Mint.

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Originally by: CCP Wrangler

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You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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they look crap. Like seom cartoon or seomthing

SKUNK

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Originally by: Shashanna Rin

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wow, the fricken apoc is starting to look like an actual spaceship now...very nice

cant wait too see all the ships in shineyness.

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Originally by: Jim McGregor

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0 minmatar ships.

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Dun kill me eris

coming to fanfest by any chance? eris

*GULP*

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Originally by: Tyr Vaantau

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Bellicose:
http://staff.ccpgames.com/redundancy/devblogs/bellicose.jpg
http://pic.eve-online.com/devblogs/mc3_thukker.jpg <--- Thukker version, btw

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Originally by: Stellar Vix

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Your missing a good bit of pictures from MMORPG.com that includes the new ferox and a few other amarrian ships.

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Originally by: Nicholas Barker

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win

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Originally by: xeneon

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*drools*

noob question but when are these graphic enhancements coming out? and will the entire universe of eve receive a graphic enhancement?

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Originally by: xeneon

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*drools*

noob question but when are these graphic enhancements coming out? and will the entire universe of eve receive a graphic enhancement?

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Originally by: BhallSpawn

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How bout investing company resources to fixing lag and fleet combat so peoples modules will actually activate in war.

I'm tired of eve lag.

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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the current one doesn't use an DX lol. it doesn't even use your GPU which casues a lot of people with dual core CPUS (which eve doesn't use either) to get lag.

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Originally by: https://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=124

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Minimal system requirements
OS: Windows« System 2000 SP2 /XP
CPU: Intel Pentium« III 800 MHz or AMD Athlon 800 MHz
RAM: 512 MB or more
HD space: 6.0 GB
Network: 56k modem or better Internet connection
Video: 32 MB 3D graphics card with Hardware Transform and Lighting, such as NVIDIA« GeForce™ 2 class card or above
Drivers: DirectX« 9.0c (included) and latest video drivers

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Originally by: Malakai Draevyn

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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the current one doesn't use an DX lol. it doesn't even use your GPU which casues a lot of people with dual core CPUS (which eve doesn't use either) to get lag.

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Ummmmmm You sure about this ?!?

Originally by: https://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=124

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Minimal system requirements
OS: Windows« System 2000 SP2 /XP
CPU: Intel Pentium« III 800 MHz or AMD Athlon 800 MHz
RAM: 512 MB or more
HD space: 6.0 GB
Network: 56k modem or better Internet connection
Video: 32 MB 3D graphics card with Hardware Transform and Lighting, such as NVIDIA« GeForceÖ 2 class card or above
Drivers: DirectX« 9.0c (included) and latest video drivers

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Believe me - it does use the GPU - have you ever seen pure software rendering at a resolution of 1280x1024 @ 32bpp or better? Awful FPS and it looks nasty, pixellated and grainy.

Of course it uses DirectX. It also uses the GPU on the graphics card.

The new graphics engine using DX9 is a tactical decision - it keeps the doors open for people who don't want to upgrade to Vista, coz MS ain't gonna port DX10 to the XP platform.

Dual Core CPUs aren't utilized to their maximum - this is true (programming a truely multithreaded game is a pain in the rear end) BUT you're drawing entirely the wrong conclusions here with regard to lag.

Not having a true dual core machine (I have a P4 3ghz with HT) I can't comment on the experience, but it might have something to do with the fact that the game runtime is having issues with being a single-threaded application being split over two cores by the hardware.

Hopefully, the new Trinity graphics engine will include optimisations for the new breeds of CPU and GPU... but equally hopefully they will maintain the performance of the client for older hardware.

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Originally by: Tyson Gallane

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Everything looks good, but I'm a little worried that the Scorpion looks like a painted model. The windows look like blobs of paint on a model kit, and the highlighted hull edges look "drybrushed".

It still looks better than the older model though.


TG.

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Originally by: Stitcher

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Edited by: Stitcher on 27/07/2007 14:44:58

Originally by: Tyson Gallane

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Everything looks good, but I'm a little worried that the Scorpion looks like a painted model. The windows look like blobs of paint on a model kit, and the highlighted hull edges look "drybrushed".

It still looks better than the older model though.


TG.

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I should probably interject at this point to point out that there's a mix of DX9 and DX10 graphics in here. The pod, Amarrian Stargate, Merlin and a couple of others are the DX10 versions, but that "next gen" scorpion is actually still using DX9 - just with a texture update. Same goes for the Abaddon, btw.

CCP announced (somewhere... can't be bothered to go find it) that when DX10 comes in, the DX9 client will get an upgrade as well. That new Scorp texture is one of those upgrades - a new texture. Looks better, still not DX10 quality.

I'd quite like to see what the REAL DX10 scorpion looks like, tbh...

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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just a texture update?
have you even looked at the models?
grrr.. then again I'm just an art geek beyond all reason and a 3-D artist I suppose I see these sort of things as VERY easy to see...

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Originally by: Tyson Gallane

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Oh, the model is definitely much better. Much more detailed. It's just that it, um, looks like a model.

That's my unprofessional opinion anyway.


TG.

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Originally by: Stitcher

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Edited by: Stitcher on 27/07/2007 15:02:48

Originally by: MotherMoon

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just a texture update?
have you even looked at the models?
grrr.. then again I'm just an art geek beyond all reason and a 3-D artist I suppose I see these sort of things as VERY easy to see...

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3D artist here myself, too. Observe.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/pkmx/Scorpion_New.JPG

Notice that the model has not been updated. It's the same shape, same number of polys - the model itself has not been updated, it's merely been given a new, high-res skin. It's a nice, high-quality skin that makes the model look a lot better.... but it's not a DX10 update. Notice also that the lighting is of an identical quality to what we get from the EVE engine right now, and that the objects in the background - the planet, contrail and running lights - are identical to what we already have.

http://pic.eve-online.com/devblogs/pod.jpg
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0701/CS4_LowModel_Map.jpg

In these instances, not only have the models been given higher-res textures, but the models themselves are substantially changed. The poly count is significantly increased by the number of extra modeled details. Furthermore, the textures are of a higher resolution even than the updated Scorpion texture, and the lighting effects are considerably improved upon.

Unless I'm very much mistaken, the scorpion is still running on DX9, whereas those renders for the station and capsule are more along the lines of what I would expect from DX10.

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Originally by: Tyr Vaantau

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New Hyperion:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/SliVeROVeRloRD/9294.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/SliVeROVeRloRD/9295.jpg

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Originally by: Aramendel

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Very nice collection. A few things though:

Originally by: Tyr Vaantau

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New Hyperion:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/SliVeROVeRloRD/9294.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v225/SliVeROVeRloRD/9295.jpg

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Seen that a few times so far, but I am not sure if that is the new look. It seems identical to the current look to me.

Missing: One MMORPG site also had the new graphics for the ferox and augoror a while ago, but I cannot remember its name.

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Originally by: Spoony Brook

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theres a ferox around somewhere, as well as an amarr frig (tormentor i think?) and a cruiser

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http://shexna.dk/evescreens/gallery.php
you called?
ferox in there I believe

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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lets get a nice close up shall we?
old

note the model has many flat sides to it. I circles them in red.

now for the new DX9 model
new

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Originally by: Stitcher

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Edited by: Stitcher on 27/07/2007 18:04:19
Edited by: Stitcher on 27/07/2007 18:01:51

Originally by: MotherMoon

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lets get a nice close up shall we?
old

note the model has many flat sides to it. I circles them in red.

now for the new DX9 model
new

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... I stand corrected.

Nevertheless, I still think the "new" one you posted there isn't DX10 quality. If nothing else, the texture and lighting simply aren't up to the same standard as the other DX10 renders. So I'm still going to stick by my theory that that scorp's designed for the upgraded DX9 client for now, until there's some genuinely conclusive evidence to the contrary.

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Originally by: Stitcher

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Edited by: Stitcher on 27/07/2007 19:57:21
There's more to it than that. even with the additional little details, the texture resolution and intricacy of the model still aren't up to the same standard as set by the DX10 examples.

Believe me bro, I'm a games design student (University of Staffordshire, BSc(Hons) Computer Games Design). Obviously, I can't be 100% certain, but I am strongly convinced that the scorpion pic is still DX9.

Bear in mind, CCP themselves have said that the game will support both DX9 and DX10 at the same time, and that the DX9 version of the client will be prettified considerably regardless. The suggestion that that scorp is DX9 is perfectly plausible... I don't see that it's necessary to dispute it. I won't be terribly upset if I turn out to be wrong, after all...

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Originally by: SexxxSlave

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so let me get this right. they remodel a ROOKIE ship and the POD. And they give the least love to minmatar and caldari.

Minnies get a bellicose upgrade and the caldari's get a re-render to the ferox, caracal and scorpion (the 3 worst caldari ships IMO) while the rest of the re-renders come down to the most badass ship the gallentes and the amarrs have?

thats wrong. I hope theyre re-rendering ALL ships and this is only a small sampling of what awaits us in Rev 64332922323823.

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Originally by: Zurtur

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Dont worry, they ARE remodeling all the ships, those are simply the ones they have finished by now. More will be coming

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Originally by: Stitcher

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Edited by: Stitcher on 27/07/2007 18:04:19
Edited by: Stitcher on 27/07/2007 18:01:51

Originally by: MotherMoon

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lets get a nice close up shall we?
old

note the model has many flat sides to it. I circles them in red.

now for the new DX9 model
new

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... I stand corrected.

Nevertheless, I still think the "new" one you posted there isn't DX10 quality. If nothing else, the texture and lighting simply aren't up to the same standard as the other DX10 renders. So I'm still going to stick by my theory that that scorp's designed for the upgraded DX9 client for now, until there's some genuinely conclusive evidence to the contrary.

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Originally by: tikinish

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that is what they are working on ?! thats the huge grafic update?!

i am SO majorly dissapointed :S
i much rather have them make some modifying on the designs to make the ships look cool, all they have done is update the skins....

sigh... what a wasted of time.. fix the bugs and balance the blob warfare instead :(

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Originally by: tikinish

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that is what they are working on ?! thats the huge grafic update?!

i am SO majorly dissapointed :S
i much rather have them make some modifying on the designs to make the ships look cool, all they have done is update the skins....

sigh... what a wasted of time.. fix the bugs and balance the blob warfare instead :(

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CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic

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Originally by: myself

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The Amarr templar joke is a joke stupid people can laugh at. Its the joke any dumb person can laugh at.

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Originally by: Raekone

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The scorp was the only thing even remotely believable from those pictures. The rest were of such ridiculously high poly count that you'd either have to 1) Reuce detail by like 50% to be able to have more than one ship/station on screen or 2) wait at least 5 years for next gen processors/graphics cards.

NO way you're convincing me those ships will be in-game, looking like that

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CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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or shadows

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Originally by: Raekone

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Edited by: Raekone on 01/08/2007 07:15:00

Originally by: MotherMoon

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or shadows

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How cool would that be, ships casting shadows on each other. And lasers/explosions being actual light sources

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Originally by: Stellar Vix

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Edited by: Stellar Vix on 28/07/2007 18:18:23
I like to say this is the most complete collection ive seen now. Would be nice if players could sumbit a few pictures of new vs old versions at very similar angels to see the differences.

But you got my endorsement <^-^>

I would also like to say that there seems to be a series of pictures demoing the engine and then the new models themselves, the megathron is the prime example showing the differences with the demo pictures and the current pictures.

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Originally by: Raekone

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The scorp was the only thing even remotely believable from those pictures. The rest were of such ridiculously high poly count that you'd either have to 1) Reuce detail by like 50% to be able to have more than one ship/station on screen or 2) wait at least 5 years for next gen processors/graphics cards.

NO way you're convincing me those ships will be in-game, looking like that

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Originally by: Caiman Graystock

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Excellent list, thanks. I'm itching to see what is done with the ugly ass hunk of junk raven.

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Originally by: xeneon

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*drools*

noob question but when are these graphic enhancements coming out? and will the entire universe of eve receive a graphic enhancement?

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yes it runs on DX9.

the current one doesn't use an DX lol. it doesn't even use your GPU which casues a lot of people with dual core CPUS (which eve doesn't use either) to get lag.

so yeah trinity 2.0 and the graphics update the win!

by the way you know were getting walking to right? :)

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Originally by: Thrawnfl

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you ever blow up a captial ship?

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Originally by: Dreeper

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Overhaul and still the blinking lights are STILL way off???? Are the grafx guys blind?!? Man, what a quality assurance....

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CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic

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Originally by: Zeonos

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it is in my gallery.

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CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Originally by: Zeonos

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it is in my gallery.

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check again, it says in big white letters on ablack background

NO IMAGE

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Originally by: Zeonos

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Originally by: Zeonos

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it is in my gallery.

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check again, it says in big white letters on ablack background

NO IMAGE

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okay, seems the images i copied from eve-files didn't go as they should, and therefore was broken, this is now fixed, and im uploading them atm :)
thanks for noticing.

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Originally by: Admus

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I'm happy to notice no Raven image yet - I can only hope this means some extensive model re-working.

I'm rooting for a much more jaggy, thinner, horizontal wing adaption of the current blocky crapheap.

Maybe they could knock off a high slot for a mid (or even a low, really) while they're at it, too.

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Originally by: Rilder

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If they actually make the Raven look non ugly I will Give my future children to the Devs.

Gallente are to ugly to be fixed though.

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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf

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Excellent... now all I need is DX10 for any operating system than vista. Sure I could survive on the new DX9 stuffs but why should I have to.

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Originally by: CherniyVolk

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What is a T2 ship gonna look like? The Faction Ships?

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Originally by: Le Skunk

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they look crap. Like seom cartoon or seomthing

SKUNK

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Originally by: Tyr Vaantau

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I've got a treat for all of you.

Here is a VIDEO of comparisons, old ships and new, for the Celestis, Iteron, and Tristan.

EVE Comparison Video!!!

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Why didn't we use them 80 man-years to fix bugs?

Well, that's simple. We can't. These are visual ar

Originally by: MotherMoon

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Originally by: Tyr Vaantau

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I've got a treat for all of you.

Here is a VIDEO of comparisons, old ships and new, for the Celestis, Iteron, and Tristan.

EVE Comparison Video!!!

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form 2006

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Originally by: Tyr Vaantau

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Originally by: MotherMoon

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Originally by: Tyr Vaantau

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I've got a treat for all of you.

Here is a VIDEO of comparisons, old ships and new, for the Celestis, Iteron, and Tristan.

EVE Comparison Video!!!

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form 2006

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yeah, god knows why no one else linked it yet...

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Why didn't we use them 80 man-years to fix bugs?

Well, that's simple. We can't. These are visual ar

Originally by: Rashell

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I like how they made the ferox's wings less stupid. Hopefully itll transfer over to my nighthawk. Overall i like this update

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Originally by: Tyr Vaantau

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Friendly neighbourhood bump.

PS: Who do I have to talk to/make love to, to propose that this be stickied?

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Originally by: Tyr Vaantau

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New Screenshots for the BRUTIX, TEMPEST, MERLIN, and ARBITRATOR are in this link:

---> CLICK HERE <---

Of those, only the Merlin has been seen before (and it was in a different skin anyway).

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Originally by: ThaMa Gebir

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Ok, I do have a question. What is this that the GPU is actually used? I was under the impression that it was not in use per sT, rather that it was only used for accelleration or somesuch. (I am only a layman so would have very little idea tbh. Mechanical engineer )

So it means that (if I have understood this correctly) eve actually uses massive graphics resources which kill my cpu but leave my gpu relatively intact, even though my setup on half life 2 can run with little trouble with most if not all settings at high up to and including 72fps.

With eve I am lucky if I get 35 in station...

Is it really such a resource hog?

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Originally by: Haffrage

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Edited by: Haffrage on 08/09/2007 10:35:44

Originally by: ThaMa Gebir

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Ok, I do have a question. What is this that the GPU is actually used? I was under the impression that it was not in use per sT, rather that it was only used for accelleration or somesuch. (I am only a layman so would have very little idea tbh. Mechanical engineer )

So it means that (if I have understood this correctly) eve actually uses massive graphics resources which kill my cpu but leave my gpu relatively intact, even though my setup on half life 2 can run with little trouble with most if not all settings at high up to and including 72fps.

With eve I am lucky if I get 35 in station...

Is it really such a resource hog?

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The GPU, or graphics processing unit as it is cunningly named, is designed to render graphics. The CPU, or central processing unit as it is slightly less cunningly named, is designed to run about everything else (Other than audio for the audio card, or if you have a physics card and one of the like 2 games that uses them physics, etc.)

Windows calculator? CPU.
Half Life 2? GPU.
MSN Messenger? CPU.
Bioshock? GPU.
Eve Online, run on Trinity 1? CPU.

I'm sure you see a pattern with the first four, and see something terribly wrong with the fifth.

I'm no computer hardware expert, I learned enough to build my own computer years ago and have forgotten all the acronyms by now. There are plenty of words I'll use that are probably a bit off. But I do remember that graphics card have hardware specifically designed for rendering environments with stuff like shaders, anti-aliasing, etc. It has memory designed to efficiently store and access this information, differently from typical RAM. CPU's and standard RAM sticks are designed for longer term storage, like loading a song for WMP or remembering all that stuff you wrote in notepad.

Someone like me has a meaty graphics card thanks to their old one dying and getting a new one, but has a not-so-meaty CPU. Bioshock on full = no problem. Eve on low in semi-large fights = zomg ctrl+q before it asplodes

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Originally by: Ishina Fel

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Edited by: Ishina Fel on 08/09/2007 10:34:45
EVE uses the GPU for DirectX 7 level effects, such as hardware Transform & Lighting. The GPU also does the textures, as well as the optionally available multisampling.

For today's GPU's, that's barely worth a yawn, really - but it still hogs resources due to the archaic way the code uses CPU, GPU and RAM. Just think abnout it, Intel is up with their SSE4 instruction set, yet EVE probably works with SSE1, if even that much.

A good analogy: think of you computer as a long line of people passing on buckets. They are able to handle pretty big buckets, filled to the brim with water.

Now EVE comes and hands them somewhat smaller buckets. On top of that, they are only one third full of water. But they still take up the hands of the people passing them on, and any person can only pass on so many buckets per minute.

Then you enter a fleet battle, and a lot more stuff needs to be processed. EVE now hands your system bigger buckets... much much bigger buckets. In fact, they seem to get exponentially bigger the more ships are there on your screen. And even though the amount of water in them hardly increases, and your system has no problem handling the weight, it crumbles because of the sheer size of the buckets.

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