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Yggdrassill Yeltsin The Greater Goon	Posted - 2007.07.27 13:34:00 - [91] Edited by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin on 27/07/2007 13:35:33 Edited by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin on 27/07/2007 13:35:00 Originally by: Lorn Yeager Its getting comical how much goons beat the "omg you are pets" horse. Whats the point anyway? Are we suppose to loose morale and stop shooting? There's a fundamental misunderstanding here. Goons are assuming that the alliances under BoB want to be independent entities and desire to have pride in controlling themselves, because that's the way the goons feel. If all of the "pets" in this thread are to be believed, being independent simply isn't that valuable to them, so the goons aren't getting the psychological value that they would if they were talking to people similar to themselves. I suppose you should agree to disagree.
Yggdrassill Yeltsin The Greater Goon	Posted - 2007.07.27 13:40:00 - [92] Originally by: cal nereus Edited by: cal nereus on 27/07/2007 05:30:06 There are two types of organizational structures that I see at work here: hierarchy and committee. BoB and its allies seem to be very hierarchical, while RA and Goonswarm are less so. RedSwarm seems to be an alliance of autonomous entities, although clearly one is the big bear and the other the bees. The bees help the bear and the bear helps the bees, and although one seems more dangerous than the other, both mutually benefit from the relationship. Command is not centralized with one or the other except in times when it is needed. Band of Brothers and most of its allies, on the other hand, are a true hierarchy. One dominant powerhouse that is on the top of a pyramid containing the other lesser powers at the base. Some real-world analogies might include the League of Delos (Athens) or the Warsaw Pact (Soviet Union). I would like to point out that this hierarchical structure of alliance has worked in the past, and from a security view point it is a smart move on the part of BoB. There are exceptions in both camps, but I'm not going to mention them, because I'm wallowing in my own bias. Nice
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.07.27 13:45:00 - [93] Originally by: PirateShampoo Edited by: PirateShampoo on 26/07/2007 22:55:09 Can't say I know of any alliance in which BoB has any say whatsoever in which corporations are members. You have some proof? If this is your definition of a BoB pet then there are NO bob pets in existence unless of course you can categorically prove otherwise? No? I did not think so. Ask Fix. That was the condition placed on them when Bob 'saved' them from the greuling war over a year ago when 6 alliances were pounding on them. Its why our corp left. We were also forbidden from putting up our own Outpost. All stations were to be owned by Bob. Enough proof for ya?
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.27 14:18:00 - [94] Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Deeviant Fire 59 is not only the worst poster on Eve-O, but perhaps the entire internet. Her mother would be proud. Aaww baby, it's okay. I'm sorry if i find it easy to outwit you and make you sad and run to your mommy. It must be tough to have some folks see through the trash and actually say it is such, how dare they. I envisiage you getting upset and sitting with a trembling lip and tears in your eyes. Just rememebr, the words are only pixels on a screen and can't hurt you baby, or get you in your dreams. Just pull your blanky up and fill your hot water bottle up and you will be fine shouting 'ur stoopit' over and over a man of wit does not make, don't you have some terrible attempts at baiting to do in local somewhere?
PirateShampoo Minmatar UK Corp FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.27 15:42:00 - [95] Originally by: Princess Jodi Originally by: PirateShampoo Edited by: PirateShampoo on 26/07/2007 22:55:09 Can't say I know of any alliance in which BoB has any say whatsoever in which corporations are members. You have some proof? If this is your definition of a BoB pet then there are NO bob pets in existence unless of course you can categorically prove otherwise? No? I did not think so. Ask Fix. That was the condition placed on them when Bob 'saved' them from the greuling war over a year ago when 6 alliances were pounding on them. Its why our corp left. We were also forbidden from putting up our own Outpost. All stations were to be owned by Bob. Enough proof for ya? Ya that will do, so it's obvious that are multiple standards operating here then? I know for a fact that BoB did not ever vet FATAL member corp when we had our little stay in fountain. I am fairly sure AXE was not vetted in this manner also? So in response to the OP, its clear that not all so called pets are made equal and by his own definition some people regullary called pets by your allies princess are not pets, and some are.. Does that clear everything up?
Pociomundo Gallente World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.07.27 17:06:00 - [96] Originally by: BuIIseye A pet in need is a pet indeed a pet with weed is better
Nick Curso Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.27 17:09:00 - [97] Originally by: BuIIseye A pet in need is a pet indeed a pet with weed is better
Kola XXX Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.27 19:12:00 - [98] Do you people actually play eve or just read crap here, assume is real and discuss? When are the renters gonna turn on BoB, they can have thier own lev 4 sov blah blah. The op's statements are ********. "If your alliance isn't allowed to decide which corps join your alliance, and Dianabolic does it for you, you are a pet." if not you are a spy riddled alliance like redswam begging for renters to trun on thier landlords cuz you have ran out of luck...see you in space. oh
Johnny ReeRee The ReeRee Brigade	Posted - 2007.07.27 19:16:00 - [99] Edited by: Johnny ReeRee on 27/07/2007 19:21:00 Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin Edited by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin on 27/07/2007 13:35:33 Edited by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin on 27/07/2007 13:35:00 Originally by: Lorn Yeager Its getting comical how much goons beat the "omg you are pets" horse. Whats the point anyway? Are we suppose to loose morale and stop shooting? There's a fundamental misunderstanding here. Goons are assuming that the alliances under BoB want to be independent entities and desire to have pride in controlling themselves, because that's the way the goons feel. If all of the "pets" in this thread are to be believed, being independent simply isn't that valuable to them, so the goons aren't getting the psychological value that they would if they were talking to people similar to themselves. I suppose you should agree to disagree. If you really feel that way, then how come the goonies didn't act as an independent entity? Why did you run and hide behind RA's skirts after you were driven out of Syndicate? Why didn't you stand on your own? Why did you beg Joshua to have goonie-occupied systems labelled as RA on his map? I'd be amused, but goonie logics frighten and confuse me! lawlz!11! [insert ironic amusement here] P.S. RA ever let you run a complex down there?
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.27 20:23:00 - [100] Originally by: Aeleva Originally by: Scatim Helicon rather than the influx of miners and producers we were hoping to get we ended up with 90%+ ratters Its hard to mine when there is no security and you are likely to get ganked before long. No more so than to rat - PvE Ravens don't really last much longer when caught by a roaming PvP gang than mining Ospreys do - and as I said we had no shortage of ratters. Besides, the fact that the FTZ was operating for as long as it did in our space, and that we shut it down ourselves when we determined that it wasn't working out for us (rather than have it fall apart under us as the tenants got endlessly perma-ganked and said 'screw this' after a week or two), suggests that things weren't as bad as you say, no?
Falryx Caldari Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.07.27 20:37:00 - [101] Originally by: Zarimax Mishka It's going to get REAL interesting when these pets û RISE, RMF, SOCO û get sovereignty level 4 and realize that they can turtle up with cyno jammers and jump bridges and invulnerable POSes and defend themselves without paying BoB a penny... Or is BoB forbidding pets from getting constellation capitals? Speaking for RISE, we've no interest in trying to unilaterally change our arrangement with BoB and the GBC. Sov4 will not change that we find our allies in the GBC to largely be easier to work with and more likely to cover one-another's back than the political alliances we enjoyed prior to joining the GBC. We like our allies, we respect the agreements we 'signed' when we came to Feythabolis, and we're enjoying the fights (please keep bringing 'em and keep 'em smack free -- we like that best!).
Deeviant GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.27 22:16:00 - [102] Originally by: Johnny ReeRee I'd be amused, but goonie logics frighten and confuse me! lawlz!11! Don't get my wrong here, but I'm pretty sure "logics" of any type confuse you. But its rather normal rather, nothing to post with an alt about.
Waldorf Black Nova Corp	Posted - 2007.07.27 22:31:00 - [103] I find it highly ironic to hear Goons talk about 'pet' alliances when they themselves are the biggest 'pet' alliance in the game!
phillie blunt Live And Let Die	Posted - 2007.07.27 22:45:00 - [104] Originally by: Waldorf I find it highly ironic to hear Goons talk about 'pet' alliances when they themselves are the biggest 'pet' alliance in the game! .
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.27 23:32:00 - [105] Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Deeviant Fire 59 is not only the worst poster on Eve-O, but perhaps the entire internet. Her mother would be proud. Aaww baby, it's okay. I'm sorry if i find it easy to outwit you and make you sad and run to your mommy. It must be tough to have some folks see through the trash and actually say it is such, how dare they. I envisiage you getting upset and sitting with a trembling lip and tears in your eyes. Just rememebr, the words are only pixels on a screen and can't hurt you baby, or get you in your dreams. Just pull your blanky up and fill your hot water bottle up and you will be fine shouting 'ur stoopit' over and over a man of wit does not make, don't you have some terrible attempts at baiting to do in local somewhere? If you mean by me baiting, responding to you guys giggling and snorting about rl suicide. No thanks, no point arguing with stupid people, they drag you down to there level and beat you with experience GOONIES = OMNIPOTENCE INCARNATE
Savesti Kyrsst Minmatar White-Noise Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.27 23:36:00 - [106] Originally by: Nick Curso Originally by: BuIIseye A pet in need is a pet indeed a pet with weed is better A pet with ******* and all the rest
Meter Caldari Firing Squad Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.27 23:38:00 - [107] Edited by: Meter on 27/07/2007 23:38:43 Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: fire 59 Originally by: Deeviant Fire 59 is not only the worst poster on Eve-O, but perhaps the entire internet. Her mother would be proud. Aaww baby, it's okay. I'm sorry if i find it easy to outwit you and make you sad and run to your mommy. It must be tough to have some folks see through the trash and actually say it is such, how dare they. I envisiage you getting upset and sitting with a trembling lip and tears in your eyes. Just rememebr, the words are only pixels on a screen and can't hurt you baby, or get you in your dreams. Just pull your blanky up and fill your hot water bottle up and you will be fine shouting 'ur stoopit' over and over a man of wit does not make, don't you have some terrible attempts at baiting to do in local somewhere? If you mean by me baiting, responding to you guys giggling and snorting about rl suicide. No thanks, no point arguing with stupid people, they drag you down to there level and beat you with experience Edit: that wasn't very polite of me :(
Yggdrassill Yeltsin The Greater Goon	Posted - 2007.07.28 00:27:00 - [108] Edited by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin on 28/07/2007 00:29:32 Originally by: Johnny ReeRee Edited by: Johnny ReeRee on 27/07/2007 19:21:00 Originally by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin Edited by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin on 27/07/2007 13:35:33 Edited by: Yggdrassill Yeltsin on 27/07/2007 13:35:00 Originally by: Lorn Yeager Its getting comical how much goons beat the "omg you are pets" horse. Whats the point anyway? Are we suppose to loose morale and stop shooting? There's a fundamental misunderstanding here. Goons are assuming that the alliances under BoB want to be independent entities and desire to have pride in controlling themselves, because that's the way the goons feel. If all of the "pets" in this thread are to be believed, being independent simply isn't that valuable to them, so the goons aren't getting the psychological value that they would if they were talking to people similar to themselves. I suppose you should agree to disagree. If you really feel that way, then how come the goonies didn't act as an independent entity? Why did you run and hide behind RA's skirts after you were driven out of Syndicate? Why didn't you stand on your own? Why did you beg Joshua to have goonie-occupied systems labelled as RA on his map? I'd be amused, but goonie logics frighten and confuse me! lawlz!11! [insert ironic amusement here] P.S. RA ever let you run a complex down there? The entire point of this thread, which you seem to be ignoring, is that living in the same space and protecting each other is one thing; living in the same space, (maybe) protecting each other, AND one organization controlling internal affairs of another are two different things. The relationship between Goonswarm and RA is not the same fundamental relationship as that between BoB and it's allies- the devil is in the details in this argument. I would assume that Goonfleet asked not to be listed as seperate because they wanted time to build and arm while they moved into their new space. What does this have to do with RA controlling internal Goonfleet policies and politics? Nothing. Ding ding ding...the point of the thread. As for the complexes, I notice none of the goons are answering you. I'm not in goonfleet, so I can say that as far as I understand, they didn't want them anyway. OHLOL LET THE BASHING BEGIN Real question, as a relatively new player- are complexes still easy to run now that most of the static ones are gone? Is there a 10/10 somewhere in a certain area of space every day, or is it more random than that?
Martin VanBuren GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.28 00:37:00 - [109] Originally by: Waldorf I find it highly ironic to hear Goons talk about 'pet' alliances when they themselves are the biggest 'pet' alliance in the game! Oh man you got us there, pack it up COAD goons lets go home
CynWulf Exiled.	Posted - 2007.07.28 01:39:00 - [110] Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate If your alliance isn't allowed to decide which corps join your alliance, and Dianabolic does it for you, you are a pet. I'd like to hear from some of the members of GBC (Greater BOB Community) what they think about this policy, because apparently it applies to them. man seriously STFU and go get a job. freaking Goons... whaaa whaaa whaaa
CrispyKritters Caldari GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.07.28 01:58:00 - [111] Edited by: CrispyKritters on 28/07/2007 01:59:16 Originally by: Martin VanBuren Originally by: Waldorf I find it highly ironic to hear Goons talk about 'pet' alliances when they themselves are the biggest 'pet' alliance in the game! Oh man you got us there, pack it up COAD goons lets go home WAIT! We have to ask our Red Overloads whether we can pack up yet or if we need to continue. We don't want to angry them or they might kick us out of Fountain... oh wai Originally by: CynWulf Originally by: Stoffer Ninjapirate If your alliance isn't allowed to decide which corps join your alliance, and Dianabolic does it for you, you are a pet. I'd like to hear from some of the members of GBC (Greater BOB Community) what they think about this policy, because apparently it applies to them. man seriously STFU and go get a job. freaking Goons... whaaa whaaa whaaa no u
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.28 02:34:00 - [112] Oh joy another anti bob thread phrased as a question. Id say the corps or alliances that pay rent in bob space (if they do) are proly the carebear type who do not fight but just make isk but i know for a fact that fatal pay nothing and in fact got 2 station for fighting along side bob allies and mc in the north. So by your measure because we were the ones getting paid does that make bob our pets?.
Musgrat	Posted - 2007.07.28 02:44:00 - [113] Edited by: Musgrat on 28/07/2007 02:44:26 edited
musgrattio Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.28 02:46:00 - [114] This is my understanding of our relationship with BoB. It is somewhat inherently inaccurate, as I didn't make the actual deal, and it was never posted in its entirety to my understanding. That said, basically FIX gets control of FIX space, but in BoB's name. We own 4 stations in Q, and BoB owns 1. Other than that, they have next to 0 poses in Q, while we basically have some in every system. So the Sov thing is not an issue. As for letting corps in, if we really wanted another corp in FIX, it would get in. In the beginning, it was strongly suggested to limit ourselves to bigger and fewer corps. That has worked very well for us, but so you know, we have added corps since that strong suggestion. But FIX generally agree that bigger/fewer corps are much better, because it gives more structure to the overall alliance. You get to keep most of the crappy issues inside your corp without having to bother the alliance about it. In the end, we really don't care that you don't like our relationships with BoB, because: 1) You assume everyone wants to be like you....... No really, Goons do think that. 2) You have never been able to beat BoB+allies, and that really ****es you off. Understandably. 3) You don't get that there is more to the game than winning. I genuinely like BoB, after flying with them just a few times. They are the best, and we accept that. I mean really, if we were better than BoB, there would be some reason to not like the current relationship. But as it stands now, it gives us a plethora of ways to grow that we would not be able to take advantage of any other way. So we're happy with our arrangement. It is widely known that when we are strong enough to hold our space, it will be ours. The thing is, we have become the punching bag of the South, and while that makes my day, it has disadvantages. Such as a high burnout/dropout rate within FIX. I understand, it's not for everybody. But it seems like just when we start to really get good, we have a wave of guys leaving. Like I said, that's fine. There are enough loyal guys that it never gets desperate, and it's nice to always have new faces in gang. So I hope this gives you a little better picture of the relationship between BoB and FIX. I do try to stay out of these threads, but it seemed a little one-sided. Hopefully the average CAOD reader will see that most of the time, when you have to resort to name calling and labeling your opponents such things as "pets," it's because you don't have anything else worth listening to. Oh btw, this applies to everyone here. There are some FIX and BoB that would do well to stop posting here. But hey, it is all in fun right??? hmmmm........ silly people. See you guys in space, and fly safe. musgrattio
Milena Rage The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.07.28 04:55:00 - [115] Originally by: Johnny ReeRee Edited by: Johnny ReeRee on 27/07/2007 05:09:22 Originally by: Achaiah Also, if your alliance accepts that Joshua Foiritain mark your alliance's space as BoB space in that map of his, you are a pet. You mean like how the goonies used to send sad little notes to Joshua begging him to mark goonie space as RA space, because they didn't want the attention? (This was after getting crushed utterly in Syndicate.) RA let you guys use a plex yet? Seeing goonies and IAC people going on about pets over and over and over again pretty much is an automatic winner for the "Best inadvertent self-reference" category for the Interwebs awards. Just great stuff. ilu
Deeviant GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.28 05:47:00 - [116] Edited by: Deeviant on 28/07/2007 05:48:51 Edited by: Deeviant on 28/07/2007 05:48:19 Originally by: musgrattio plethora of ways to grow Originally by: musgrattio plethora of ways Originally by: musgrattio PLETHORA Hey, plethora was Word of the Day on May 29, 1999! Thank you for clearing the whole Fix -- BoB thing up though.
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.28 07:02:00 - [117] Edited by: Fire Hawk on 28/07/2007 07:03:23 Every time BoB does a massacre IG, fictional goon posts start to fill the CAOD. We must think of the CAOD...
Pociomundo Gallente World Order The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.07.28 09:28:00 - [118] Originally by: Savesti Kyrsst Originally by: Pociomundo Originally by: BuIIseye A pet in need is a pet indeed a pet with weed is better A pet with ******* and all the rest a pet who's dressed in leather
Starfall Hammer	Posted - 2007.07.28 09:32:00 - [119] Originally by: Murina So by your measure because we were the ones getting paid does that make bob our pets?. No, I am pretty sure everyone still views you as the pets.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.28 09:39:00 - [120] Its the difference between a hierarchical alliance and a co-operative alliance. The first has one power dominating the others (Athens in the League of Delos or the USSR in the Warsaw Pact). The second has multiple powers helping each other (The Triple Entente before the Great War or an animal kingdom analogy of the bears and the bees sharing the honey). --- Grismar.net

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