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James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:38:00 - [1] Welcome to the final chapter in the YACAODI1MAC "Why Is BoB Losing?" trilogy. Thus far, we have discussed what BoB has been and what BoB currently is, but we have discussed little of what BoB will be in the future, and how the war will proceed from here. Our futures are not set in stone, and they are not determined by previous mistakes. Rather, our futures are made by the decisions we have yet to make. And past performance is no guarantee of future results. But since no one actually believes that nonsense, on we go! Why Is BoB Losing? Part III: The Region's Not That Nice Stoop, Romans, stoop, and let us bathe our hands in Caesar's blood up to the elbows, and besmear our swords: Then we walk forth, even to the market-place, and, waving our red weapons o'er our heads, let's all cry 'Peace, freedom and liberty!' -- Brutus, Julius Caesar Before we begin today, there is a misconception floating about that I wish to burst. The misconception usually takes the form of a sarcastic BoB pilot saying something like "We're losing (fill in the blank)? I guess I'd better pack up my stuff and move to Jita to mine veldspar! Hyuk, hyuk!" This essentially boils down to a false choice presented by BoB and its leadership, where either A) BoB wins the war, or B) All BoB pilots mine in high-sec until the servers go down Since it is obvious that BoB pilots won't all be doing the latter, they conclude that BoB cannot lose or be destroyed. However, this dichotomy overlooks a wide range of possibilities that are each more likely than either of the above. There are many alternatives for BoB pilots to choose from when the Band of Brothers alliance collapses. The old favorite is the idea that all of BoB will migrate to "Pirates of the Burning Sea" when that game is released. It is true that many BoB members eventually will and already have left to other games (e.g. Blacklight; as discussed in Part II, the BoB of today is not the same as the BoB of its "glorious" past). But there will be no mass exodus to PotBS. For one thing, in a twist of irony, PotBS has Goon devs. Instead, BoB members who have become frustrated with BoB's state and the endlessly losing POS wars against RSF will seek greener pastures within Eve. For the old guard, this means getting back to what made Eve fun in the first place: flying in an elite PvP outfit and engaging in combat (rather than POS wars). This type of BoB player is already enviously looking at the performance of Outbreak or their "pet", the Mercenary Coalition. And there are already murmurs as the most elite BoB PvP'ers begin to have conversations about forming such an alliance for their own; they know SirMolle will never boot Shinra no matter how much he regrets their incorporation. For the Shinra bandwagon types--and everyone else who just wants to win--it means finding battles they can win and regions they can influence, rather than simply losing all day in the east. These BoB members are watching as the malleable north takes shape completely without their input. While there was a time when the question of "what do I do now that my alliance is dying" was always answered by "join BoB", this is no longer the case, and the BoB pilots themselves have many attractive options that give them more excitement than the prospect of being gloated over by Goons who took another of their systems. But unless the Band of Brothers really does fall apart at the seams, this is all just academic (except for the BoB pilots who have already left and those who are currently planning to leave). So the question becomes, will BoB lose the war? (Proceed to section 2, don't be shy!) ****
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:39:00 - [2] When people debate the question of who is currently winning, they often rely heavily on a favorable-looking starting point for comparison. For example, BoB will say it is winning by pointing out the untruth of "see you in NOL" or that BoB is no longer losing stations in Feythabolis. A Goon will retort that the reality is even further from "there are no Goons" or "Chowdown, we're stealing your targets!" Rather than relying upon a starting point for comparison, I prefer to ask two simple questions. First, "time is on whose side?" Second, "what can we learn from the most recent engagements?" I will address the second question first: it is simpler for the moment because all of the recent battles have gone in the Coalition's favor. BoB's current state in the east, ironically enough, reminds me of ASCN's situation about halfway into the war against BoB. (Don't worry, this is not the start of another rant about the ASCN war.) At that stage, BoB had obtained what one might term "POS supremacy": ASCN couldn't destroy any BoB POSes, nor could it successfully defend any of its own. As long as POS supremacy is maintained by the other side, it is simply not possible to have a favorable result in the long-term. It is devastating for morale, especially for the people who have to put their capitals at risk, because they know the outcome will be bad. (Actually, no one "has to" put their capitals at risk, and since they don't, they will stop doing so when they lose hope.) Lately BoB has been incapable of popping Goon POSes. At the very least, they cannot do it on a reliable enough basis to wage war. The battle of 9-9 was extremely important for both sides, since it is the most important system for two regions. After RSF was able to destroy dozens of BoB POSes, BoB had to prove itself equally capable of destroying Goon POSes--the resulting stalemate being the best result for BoB. But despite SirMolle ordering BoB on a mandatory op (and indeed threatening people with expulsion if they didn't show up), BoB's entire warmachine failed to destroy even a single Goon POS. They lacked firepower, confidence, numbers, and timezone coverage. Incidentally, the mandatory op against Goon POSes in 9-9 should put an end to the excuse that "BoB is only losing because it wouldn't risk capitals for fear of a desync." They risked their capitals and lost anyway. If things continue as they have been, it will be fair to say that RSF has achieved POS supremacy over BoB. That is not good news for BoB. For the BoB pets, it is an opportunity to reconsider the terms of their residency. While I consider the battle of 9-9 to be one of major importance and with far-reaching implications, I will concede that a focus on 9-9 is "micro", and it would be beneficial also to look at the "macro". This is where the first question comes in, "time is on whose side?" A few months ago, I observed a debate between a Goon and a BoB on this very point. As you might expect, the Goon's argument was that time was on RSF's side because of Goonfleet's rapidly increasing number of capital and advanced ship pilots. The BoB, predictably, believed that time was on BoB's side. Why? Because while capital ships and battleships are useful, they are made worthless by the presence of super-capitals, and BoB was producing super-capitals at a much faster rate than Goonfleet. Then super-capitals got nerfed to the point where they were no longer game-breaking. BoB no longer has a means of finishing the sentence "time is on our side because..." BoB has increased in its numbers of pilots, but when the new "I want to win too!" pilots come at the expense of real fighters who have left, this is not a good thing. Nor is it a good thing when the new, less-than-best BoB pilots start fouling up the BoB kill/death ratio. At least, that's a bad thing when your alliance is so greatly invested in kill/death ratios. (Proceed to section 3, it's good for you.) ****
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:39:00 - [3] BoB has at least to be granted credit for the creativity in its latest "time is on our side because..." reasoning. When BoB lost POS wars in Tenerifis and Omist, its pilots rationalized their failures because they were able to destroy a number of Goons, Russians and French. The BoB pilots started to inquire whether the RSF logistics could handle losing so many ships. In this, too, BoB was reminiscent of ASCN--it underestimated the industrial capacity of its opponent to comedic proportions. BoB pilots pointed out that Goon losses were no longer those of cheap T1 frigates. No, sir! Goons were actually beginning to fly good ships with T2 equipment on board! Many times have people indicated the weariness of their enemy by showing how they no longer carry the expensive equipment that they had before. BoB is the first alliance ever to suggest its enemies are weakening because they fly better ships than before. An even flimsier explanation for why time is on BoB's side is that eventually the Mercenary Coalition will feel like fighting in the east and will save BoB. This is similar to FIX's hope that BoB will eventually feel like fighting in Querious and save them. And MC will have to fight in Querious to save FIX, too. At the same time, MC is said to provide "free" contracts for BoB because BoB protects MC's outposts in MC space (i.e. BoB holds MC's stations hostage for billions of ISK a year). Suppose MC decides to go rogue? They would never do this (it sounds like too much fun and Seleene lacks a certain something), but suppose they did? Maybe MC would save BoB by attacking itself, while also attacking -AAA- and IAC in Querious and attacking RSF in the east. Who's the pet again? (Knee-jerk answer: Corelum.) But I digress. So time is not on BoB's side. Is time on the side of the Goons? Short answer: Yes. I could point out how much the Goons' fighting force has changed from a year ago when BoB was sniping Goon shuttles in Syndicate. I could point out that when the Goons trapped Shrike's titan and called in capitals to kill it, half the dreads were Goon. But this comparison is just the tip of the iceberg. Things are going to get much, much worse for BoB. Goonfleet is a unique entity in Eve. Most alliances follow the "endgame" formula that BoB does, or they aspire to it. The "endgame" alliance seeks to convince everyone that they are a winner, and then suck up all the rich, experienced PvP'ers of the galaxy and dominate the rest. An "endgame" alliance then uses its PvP superiority to create a vast pool of secure space that its many carebears and pets collect from, providing taxes. At last, when everyone with skillpoints and ISK is under their control, the game can come to an end, dying a peaceful death. This is what BoB wants. Control of all 0.0, the collection of all resources, a steady-state death of Eve. From the start, Goonfleet followed radically different principles. Rather than recruiting from the ranks of 20m+ skillpoints Eve pilots, Goons recruited people who had never even heard of Eve. Rather than barking at year-old n00bs who dared to enter low-sec, Goonfleet invited new pilots to come immediately to 0.0 space. And rather than share tips about how to mine trit or run L2 missions, Goonfleet implored them to join Eve for PvP. The message from BoB and its establishment is that n00bs are irrelevant, worthy only perhaps to someday become pets. The message from the Goons is that a n00b tackler can affect the outcome of a war. The difference could not be more stark. Goonfleet wants new people to join and play the best Eve has to offer. BoB wants everyone else out of the game. (Proceed to section 4, don't dally!) ****
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:40:00 - [4] And so it was that Goonfleet generated masses of new players whose loyalty was proven by their willingness to endure endless flack from the establishment (and each other, but hey, they're Goons). They did all begin, and not necessarily that long ago by BoB's standards, as n00bs in T1 frigates. But unlike most n00bs in T1 frigates, they were tossed immediately into 0.0 space and combat. Goonfleet trained its n00bs to fight and created resources where they could learn how to survive. BoB would have answered their questions with the familiar "if you don't already know, you shouldn't be trying..." But we should not mistake every Goon for a poverty-stricken kamikaze who goes from rifter to rifter without any idea how to perform outside the PvP world. Instant access to 0.0 space has given Goons the opportunity to accumulate wealth far more quickly than the average new player. Because killboards record ship types and weapons used, many of the Goons' enemies realize that Goons are no longer in T1 frigates. Less obvious is the fact that the wealth of Goonfleet pilots has also greatly increased. The Goons did not grow up fighting battles where they were guaranteed not to lose a ship. Just the opposite. As a result, the Goons have put themselves into a position where more and more are flying expensive ships and have the capacity to risk death. Put aside all of the special faction ships, T2 BPOs, complexes, even the super-capitals. The most valuable resource in Eve is the PvP pilot (industrial players who are willing to supply their PvP brethren for a reasonable price aren't so bad, either). BoB, etc. were able to defeat larger alliances because the larger alliances actually had fewer PvP'ers. Even the giant ASCN could not hope to match the much "smaller" BoB in PvP numbers, let alone in ship quality. We can see many statistics on alliance size by the number of members, but it would be very enlightening if we could also see statistics on the number of PvP'ers. Thus, while BoB's pets will cite statistics on the thousands of players arrayed against BoB at various time, it is fair to say that when BoB was "outnumbered", it wasn't really outnumbered. This made it much easier for BoB to gain POS supremacy in various timezones. Now we see that things have changed, and keeping the number of PvP'ers in mind, we can see why. Just as an understanding of the Goon PvP emphasis should not lead one to underestimate Goon wealth, it should not lead one to underestimate the Goon logistics machine. Most players find POS warfare boring. But people say the same thing about large fleet battles, or indeed about mining, killing rats, etc. It is clear that one thing the Goons do enjoy, however, is slapping around BoB pilots, especially their leaders. Goon logistics may have the most efficient manner of griefing BoB that there is: every Goon tower in a BoB system is a punch in BoB's stomach and a middle finger to the Dianabolic crew. The BoB logistics team, losing as they are, have had considerably less entertainment. Besides, planting a POS doesn't improve one's kill/death ratio. (Proceed to section 5, one last time.) ****
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:40:00 - [5] I would be remiss if I described the ongoing conflict in terms simply of BoB versus Goons. There are many other parties involved. The Goons have many allies, and BoB has many pets. Is it bias that causes me to frame the parties in those terms? It is easy to name Goon allies. Try to name a BoB ally that is not a BoB pet. That is another key difference in the sides of this conflict. When Goons win a fight, we can see the power and prominence of the Goons' allies increasing and gaining more breathing room from BoB. When BoB wins a fight, its "helpers" are cemented deeper into "pet" status. Just ask the formerly proud Firmus Ixion. Each time the Goons and their allies win, we can see the Eve galaxy opening up, creating new possibilities for new entities. Each time BoB and its pets win, we see the opposite, with Eve slouching toward a boring, tedious death. And so the Goons fight for freedom of all, and the BoB pets fight for their own slavery--until they receive an invitation to join Invincible BoB, at which point they ditch their corps. Fortunately for all parties involved, BoB is not winning today. Nor will it win in the future. BoB has overreached and made enemies that it cannot unmake. The Goons, Russians, French and the rest of their allies have no desire to make peace and become pets. BoB cannot simply admit failure in the east and retreat safely back to NOL; they will find that others claim NOL as their own. There is no exit strategy for the Band of Brothers, only exits for the BoB pilots who choose to break away and find a better game in other areas of Eve. And as for the pets, while it is an ironclad truth in Eve that BoB is always overestimated and its pets always underestimated, they are pets for a reason. They cannot survive without BoB, and if they can, they will turn away from BoB for their own benefit. They could choose to die with BoB. After all, misery loves company. But it is an unrequited love. And so the "phony war" ends and the real one begins. Previously this year, the Coalition powers such as RSF and -AAA- had fought BoB in fleets, raids and attacked capital arrays, but did not make attempts to conquer BoB systems. Of the great powers, only D2 made a serious invasion of BoB. BoB was unable to turn them away, despite turkeyshoots, offline titan killing, and the help of thousands of local pets. In complete humiliation, BoB had to rely on MC and hordes of northern powers to beat D2 for them. D2, the carebear alliance that DB Preacher called worthless. That was BoB's biggest challenge until that time, and they had to be bailed out. Now, for the first time, BoB faces a real enemy conquering its systems and stations. BoB, in spite of all its advantages of experience, wealth, propaganda history and "extra help", and surrounded as it is with pet protectors, is losing. Like so many before it, BoB will put its hope on changes in game mechanics. They will be disappointed. Its uber-titans were as game-breaking as anything can be, and even they did not give BoB victory. As its territory wanes and killboard worship heightens, BoB is becoming increasingly watered-down with flimsy hangers-on and fair-weather turncoats who have no loyalty except to guaranteed wins. On the opposing side, BoB faces an enemy that has seen through defeats and chosen not to give up. BoB's enemy has exponentially grown in the past year and expands its power with no end in sight. And now they have taken the war to the POSes. I say with full confidence that as long as the Coalition is willing to bring the fight to the enemy and contest sovereignty at every step, BoB will lose this war and BoB will be destroyed. How long, you ask? I believe Mr. Churchill said it best. If we manage it well, it will only take half as long as if we manage it badly. End of Part III - 315 ----------------------------------------------- The views expressed in my posts are my own. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my corporation.
Rimfaxe Minmatar Swedish Aerospace Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:41:00 - [6] Edited by: Rimfaxe on 29/07/2007 16:41:50 Not biased...
shuckstar Gallente Hauling hogs Genesis Industrial Foundation	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:41:00 - [7] Part 3 whoopee
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:48:00 - [8] my **** is huge right now
Thanos Mortis Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:49:00 - [9] does anyone care? -
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:53:00 - [10] well the first one went on for 18 pages and the second one went on for 11 pages so yeah

Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:53:00 - [11] That is the worst report I've read, stop guessing at what bob and its allies are, and start knowing. Fallen Angel's Recruitment
EvilPhog Amarr Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:53:00 - [12] You should start writing bull**** for the U.N. Atleast you have a small chance of going down in history rather than wasting your time on a game forum. :)
Zagum Darkfin Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:53:00 - [13] ~~golf claps~~~ Nice puff piece of nothing. Now how about you get a few kills against us and then write about it. Talk is cheap, actions speak louder than words. See you in space or not. ..i..
Barasu Minmatar The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:54:00 - [14] 1st page of a wall of text YAY!
Furio Shin Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:58:00 - [15] Edited by: Furio Shin on 29/07/2007 16:58:15
Krasnij Okjabre Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.29 16:58:00 - [16] Regardless of personal views or spin, this guy certainly knows how to do a writeup. Insightful and thought provoking. Light is faster than sound... this is why some people appear bright until you speak to them...
Vando Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:00:00 - [17] That is pretty insightful, yes. The whole 'be the best, join BoB' thing is wavering, I think nowadays people look to join the likes of MC, AAA or Outbreak for their 'elite pvper' status. Joining BoB isn't as attractive as it once was, because the POS war in the south is an immense meatgrinder and when you're not rolling through the enemy that kind of thing isn't fun.
Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:01:00 - [18] interesting read
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:01:00 - [19] Originally by: James 315 all of the recent battles have gone in the Coalition's favor. 260+? Rest of this post is well written garbage tbh. The previous ones where far superior. Seems like you just didn't know when to stop, James, and where desperately reaching for a punchline where you could say "BoB is going to lose." The amount of assumptions and clear bias is simply astounding, and while your previous posts had a modicum of actual truth for Yes-men to cling to, this one lacks even that, and only a desperate man would believe what is written in it. It almost seems as if you are so uncertain of your side's victory that you feel compelled to reach out to the EvE-masses and shout "We need more warm bodies! Help us out while there's still time!" James, I wish you good luck in RL, and I am certain that you could find a job as political analyzer at some tabloid with strong connections to a political party. You know, one of those where you don't actually have to print the truth, but rather, the 'truth' that you want to have. /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Levka Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:02:00 - [20] Edited by: Levka on 29/07/2007 17:04:55 This is the first part of your TRILOGY that i have read. It should be in the Science Fiction section of any local book store. You are spewing loads of information without any facts, just assumptions and speculation based on something you heard or saw. And keep in mind i'm looking at this from Neutral position. Yes i am BoB, but i'm a "casual" player. I dont know all the small things that are happening in our alliance and therefore i look at your post as nothing more then a well structured hypothesis. P.S. Werent you part of NSA or whatever it was called back in Deklein area when BoB took over those areas. I think i remember you from those days when i was in VNTR. You get an "A" for effort though. ------------------------------------------------ "If you dont have anything smart to say, say it often and loud" -Ed The Sock

Audri Fisher Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:03:00 - [21] Originally by: Barasu 1st page of a wall of text YAY! Heaven forbid you actually have to read something longer than 2 paragraphs, I mean, it's not like literacy and writing is the foundation of civilization or anything
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:03:00 - [22] interesting read. biased still, but interesting. --- truth about EVE: Quote: "Guns are fine, boost players" Quote: "Players are fine, boost guns"
Moon Kitten GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:05:00 - [23] Excellent report, surprisingly accurate. I live under a bridge
Vladic Ka Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:05:00 - [24] Good read.
MKeeper Midnight Cartel	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:07:00 - [25] Originally by: Thanos Mortis does anyone care? No, we'd all much rather read about your way interesting rolls in the sand with NMTZ or something
Comstr Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:09:00 - [26] An insightful and intelligent commentary on the future state of the Great War. I hope you can do more of these, perhaps on BoB's lesser known pets? I've looked forward to reading these threads the last 2 weeks. Though I think you give too much credit to MC, as they've failed twice vs the semi-carebare alliance of IAC+Friends, and are so far failing to help FIX hold 49-U either.
BIRDofPREY Minmatar KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:09:00 - [27] 1) Go to your local community college and take a couple of writing classes. They are very good at getting people to write effectively and logically. A few runs at the MLA or APA format and you will know what I mean. 2) What you have written is supposition and conjecture. There is nothing substantial or indicative of real insight. 3) You have way, way too much time on your hands.
Begall GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:10:00 - [28] I whole page of BoB/BoB pets calling him biased, who would have thought it! (He is, but honestly, dismissing it out of hand because of it is silly.)
Hunter Thompson Tranquility Drinkers Club	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:11:00 - [29] Originally by: James 315 But since no one actually believes that nonsense, on we go! That's the most insightful statement in the whole post.
Begall GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:13:00 - [30] Originally by: Levka Edited by: Levka on 29/07/2007 17:04:55 This is the first part of your TRILOGY that i have read. It should be in the Science Fiction section of any local book store. You are spewing loads of information without any facts, just assumptions and speculation based on something you heard or saw. And keep in mind i'm looking at this from Neutral position. Yes i am BoB, but i'm a "casual" player. I dont know all the small things that are happening in our alliance and therefore i look at your post as nothing more then a well structured hypothesis. P.S. Werent you part of NSA or whatever it was called back in Deklein area when BoB took over those areas. I think i remember you from those days when i was in VNTR. You get an "A" for effort though. You could easily have summed this up with: "I don't know what you're talking about but it's definatly wrong"

Divus Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:14:00 - [31] Edited by: Divus on 29/07/2007 17:15:17 as i said in your first post this is playing into one sides hands but dude, great work, lots of truth inside -------------------------------------------------
Levka Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:16:00 - [32] Edited by: Levka on 29/07/2007 17:17:29 Edited by: Levka on 29/07/2007 17:17:04 Originally by: Begall I whole page of BoB/BoB pets calling him biased, who would have thought it! (He is, but honestly, dismissing it out of hand because of it is silly.) See thats the thing about politics. He is talking about something that effects variety of people on both fronts. You will have posts that totaly agree with every single statement since it fits the role they have in the "trilogy" some will disagree with it till the end. If you look up in the dictionary what HYPOTHESIS is you'll see thats exactly what we have in here. There is no right or wrong, its a well thought idea by one person and its up to individual to agree or disagree. ------------------------------------------------ If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with BullSh$t.
oniplE NED-Clan R i s e	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:18:00 - [33] Can i get a summary? I wasted enough time on reading the first part of the propaganda trilogy..
Dominixa Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:18:00 - [34] If you can't dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with BullSh$t, I guess. This thread does not deliver. You offer nothing solid only speculative generalizations. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Lizhia Gallente Macabre Votum INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:21:00 - [35] Good, fun read. A suprising amount of people getting riled up by what they claim is makebelive bull**** makes this thread deliver.
deadtear GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:21:00 - [36] Hey guys lets all swarm the topic and call it bull**, that way nobody will read the thread and we can sit and circlejerk about how good it is to be in bob or suck bob*** all day.
Begall GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:21:00 - [37] Originally by: Levka Edited by: Levka on 29/07/2007 17:17:29 Edited by: Levka on 29/07/2007 17:17:04 Originally by: Begall I whole page of BoB/BoB pets calling him biased, who would have thought it! (He is, but honestly, dismissing it out of hand because of it is silly.) See thats the thing about politics. He is talking about something that effects variety of people on both fronts. You will have posts that totaly agree with every single statement since it fits the role they have in the "trilogy" some will disagree with it till the end. If you look up in the dictionary what HYPOTHESIS is you'll see thats exactly what we have in here. There is no right or wrong, its a well thought idea by one person and its up to individual to agree or disagree. Agreed, people will choose to believe or disbelieve what they like depending on their experiences or side in the conflict. Posting "BIASED HA ROLLYEYESHERE" is pretty useless, especially given said poster has probably not even bothered to read the post.
wdwm Katarr Amarr 11th Hussars	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:23:00 - [38] Originally by: Ki An 260+? LV relied on K/D, look how far that got them.
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:26:00 - [39] That was pretty terrible.
fightnkill Dark Blade Incorporated	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:32:00 - [40] Can't wait to see BoB's/pet's faces when their Renters gets kicked out by RSF

Kraynor Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:32:00 - [41] only thing I have to say is LOL, dud stfu no one cares about your bias opinion.
Onwyn Orbatsuu International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:36:00 - [42] Originally by: Kraynor only thing I have to say is LOL, dud stfu no one cares about your bias opinion. I care, you seem to care for posting here, chances are others will to. get over yourself. having trouble doing so? puffs.com to the OP a great read, from what I've seen/heard either in game or on the forums, it does seem fairly accurate.
Alice Cholmondeley	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:38:00 - [43] You should have stopped posting after part II, now you just appear to be some obsessed guy freaking out over internets spaceships.
Tetsujin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:39:00 - [44] Edited by: Tetsujin on 29/07/2007 17:40:37 I'm digging part three good buddy. (o'.')b "And so the Goons fight for freedom of all, the BoB pets fight for their own slavery." is a good sentence.
Stoffer Ninjapirate Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:41:00 - [45] Pretty good read. Agree with the message or not, it's still well thought through, and your "articles" are the only good read on this board. P.s don't pay attention to the people attacking your writing just because they are on the losing side of the article.
Indomitus Rex Amarr Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:41:00 - [46] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley You should have stopped posting after part II, now you just appear to be some obsessed guy freaking out over internets spaceships. Of course no one would ever accuse YOU of freaking out over internet spaceships now would they? Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:41:00 - [47] Originally by: oniplE Can i get a summary? I wasted enough time on reading the first part of the propaganda trilogy.. Summary of the three threads (my comments in brackets): -BoB only ever fought in wars it could not possibly lose (except now it does, the reason being, according to James, "Oops"). -The aura of invincibility of BoB was shattered at 9-9, and thus BoB's enemies are no longer fearful of it (So when were RAGoon ever fearful of BoB?). -BoB recruited too many "win at all costs" players, who will not stick around if the going gets tough (because obviously, James 315 knows each and every new BoB pilot and their motivations for joining). -The BoB leadership is lying to the memberbase (I'd really like to know what James' source on this is... or could it possibly be just more conjecture, like everything else he said?). -Time is on RSF's side, as more and more Goons get in caps while the BoB supercap advantage has been nerfed to oblivion (perhaps the sole valid point in all the crap, but then again, having a cap ship and knowing how to use it is two different things... 9-9 cap battle, anyone? Plus, while I agree that the fact that goons now fly T2 is not a sign of weakness, it hasn't improved their tactical success in any reasonable measure, so again, having something and knowing how to actually use it are two different things). -BoB and pets are evil, Goons and co are the Saviours of the Galaxy (there are no good or bad guys in this war; anyone who believes differently is, imho, an idiot). -At the first opportunity, the "pets" will turn on their masters (looking past the childish namecalling on James' part, this would have had happened a long time ago, if it ever was going to happen. In all honesty, Intrepid Crossing DID turn on BoB... but no one else did... isn't that something?). There you go: 10+ pages of bullsh*t summarised into one.
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:42:00 - [48] You really give Goons too much credit. RA and TCF have carried the load in this war just as much as we have, if not more.
Straith GALAXIAN RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:43:00 - [49] I think James problem here is that his original thesis was to be on "Why BoB is losing" rather than "Why BoB is going to lose". It's of course fair to look to the future in it, but in order to remain objective and unbias - or at least appear that way, conclusions should not be drawn. It's entirely accurate, and I think BoB would agree, to say that BoB aren't winning this war in the manner they may have hoped. But I don't know if it's really possible to say that they are in the process of losing it. That would imply that they will lose, and that is far from clear at this moment. Quite possible, and easy to write the rest of the "book" so to speak and have BoB lose, and have it look convincing. However, I dare say it's possible to write it and have BoB win, and still look convincing... let's see. The GBC provide the support MC need not just to interdict IAC & co in Querious, but push ahead into IAC and AAA territory. As times get hard for IAC, their membership dwindles, corps leave over time, players leave corps and IAC begins to crumble. Leadership questions are answered, satisfaction isn't given from that. Goons/RA/TCF lose a few capital engagements, some of their dreadnought pilots are without dreads, others more reluctant to engage/stay on longer/log on. BoB gather momentum and push them back, and back and back. Eventually the GBC take over AAA and IAC space, while BoB conquer all former LV and RA space. Once freed up from this they head north, under the sheer weight of numbers the north falls again, this time completely. This leaves the new regions as the last standing anti-BoB faction, they do not stand for long, they become fractured and do not fully commit. I am not for one second saying that is what is going to happen. But at this point, nobody knows. If we knew what would happen, then why bother? :P
Maksiim Doom and Gloom	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:44:00 - [50] Edited by: Maksiim on 29/07/2007 17:44:33 Maybe BoB could sell all there super-caps like RA..... I hear on the grapevine RSF have plenty work to do defending re-enforced pos's anyways....

Danno Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:46:00 - [51] Originally by: James 315 Goonfleet is a unique entity in Eve. Most alliances follow the "endgame" formula that BoB does, or they aspire to it. The "endgame" alliance seeks to convince everyone that they are a winner, and then suck up all the rich, experienced PvP'ers of the galaxy and dominate the rest. An "endgame" alliance then uses its PvP superiority to create a vast pool of secure space that its many carebears and pets collect from, providing taxes. At last, when everyone with skillpoints and ISK is under their control, the game can come to an end, dying a peaceful death. This is what BoB wants. Control of all 0.0, the collection of all resources, a steady-state death of Eve. Hi, could any BOB members (especially in light of molles telephone interview when he made the claim of "winning" total 0.0 control as the objective) dispute the above please. I am interested in knowing why the above is incorrect, and also how achieving the above would impact on EVE gameplay quality.
Alice Cholmondeley	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:46:00 - [52] Originally by: Indomitus Rex Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley You should have stopped posting after part II, now you just appear to be some obsessed guy freaking out over internets spaceships. Of course no one would ever accuse YOU of freaking out over internet spaceships now would they? I only freak out over people hacking servers in real life over internet spaceships. Even more so when in-game alliances that support the hacking are still smacking.
Ikma Freizen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:49:00 - [53] Originally by: Maksiim Edited by: Maksiim on 29/07/2007 17:44:33 Maybe BoB could sell all there super-caps like RA..... I hear on the grapevine RSF have plenty work to do defending re-enforced pos's anyways.... And we defend them successfully...Thanks?
Telefishopolis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:51:00 - [54] Edited by: Telefishopolis on 29/07/2007 17:51:04 Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley I only freak out over people hacking servers in real life over internet spaceships. Even more so when in-game alliances that support the hacking are still smacking. Wait, are you referring to Lallante hiring a certain individual to hack the goonfleet forums, setting off a rather unfortunate chain of events? Because I'm pretty sure he flies with BoB now, you may want to have a word with them about that, since they certainly are still smacking in here.
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:51:00 - [55] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Indomitus Rex Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley You should have stopped posting after part II, now you just appear to be some obsessed guy freaking out over internets spaceships. Of course no one would ever accuse YOU of freaking out over internet spaceships now would they? I only freak out over people hacking servers in real life over internet spaceships. Even more so when in-game alliances that support the hacking are still smacking. Alice Cholmondeley post sighted
baffy Atlas Incorporated SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:52:00 - [56] i rarely post on coad but your stories are worth a reply. nice read
Alice Cholmondeley	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:52:00 - [57] Edited by: Alice Cholmondeley on 29/07/2007 17:52:14 Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Alice Cholmondeley post sighted It rhymes doesn't it. take the candle, exit to west around the naked elf.
Kirex Gallente Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:55:00 - [58] Good read. :)
Maksiim Doom and Gloom	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:56:00 - [59] But who really cares, this crap is so far from reality it laughable.
Stelteck Minmatar Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:58:00 - [60] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus -BoB and pets are evil, Goons and co are the Saviours of the Galaxy (there are no good or bad guys in this war; anyone who believes differently is, imho, an idiot). Really ? BOB was very close to be a so massive power that no one could hope to stand against it. It is still very dangerous and the defeat of the last coalition that stand against them may threaten the overall balance and interest of the eve universe and even send it to its end. There is no such threat coalition side, as the coalition is composed of many medium sized power, who band together only to counter BOB. An interesting eve universe is not an eve were a major power control all 0.0. It is an eve universe where many medium size power battle each over. It is an eve universe where you can built an alliance from scratch, like TCF one year ago and hope to gain a place in the cold immensity of 0.0 regions. It is not a place where you must ask BOB for doing anything in 0.0, or be crushed by overhelming forces. That's why BOB is not a common alliance. That's why BOB is dangerous. That's why bob shall be fighted by all people who love eve in this galaxy. Stelteck.

Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:00:00 - [61] Originally by: wdwm Katarr Originally by: Ki An 260+? LV relied on K/D, look how far that got them. LTR? I simply debunked his claim that resent fleet battles have all gone in the coalitions favor. That's simply not true, hence the "260+" remark, and a small reminder to the arm-chair generals that they still have reason to cry. /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
ArmyOfMe Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:02:00 - [62] Originally by: Kraynor only thing I have to say is LOL, dud stfu no one cares about your bias opinion. looks like you just cared Good post james
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:04:00 - [63] Who else besides me never reads similar posts and only random replies within the thread?
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:04:00 - [64] Originally by: ArmyOfMe Good post james Did you read it? If this guy continues to get believers he can probably start a church similar to Scientology. Fallen Angel's Recruitment
Itzena Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:06:00 - [65] Originally by: Psilocin Edited by: Psilocin on 29/07/2007 17:56:38 Originally by: Zagum Darkfin ~~golf claps~~~ Nice puff piece of nothing. Now how about you get a few kills against us and then write about it. Talk is cheap, actions speak louder than words. See you in space or not. AHEM: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/james315/killbobby.avi :masterstroke: -- Nothing will improve the way things currently are.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:07:00 - [66] Nice write-up, though part II was the best written one IMO. Interesting analysis again, guess we'll have to find out how true it is ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
Inthemix Division Solaris	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:08:00 - [67] Originally by: James 315 I say with full confidence that as long as the Coalition is willing to bring the fight to the enemy and contest sovereignty at every step, BoB will lose this war and BoB will be destroyed. Lalalalalalalal ♪♫♫♪♫ Oh well...
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:13:00 - [68] Originally by: Stelteck Really ? BOB was very close to be a so massive power that no one could hope to stand against it. It is still very dangerous and the defeat of the last coalition that stand against them may threaten the overall balance and interest of the eve universe and even send it to its end. There is no such threat coalition side, as the coalition is composed of many medium sized power, who band together only to counter BOB. An interesting eve universe is not an eve were a major power control all 0.0. It is an eve universe where many medium size power battle each over. It is an eve universe where you can built an alliance from scratch, like TCF one year ago and hope to gain a place in the cold immensity of 0.0 regions. It is not a place where you must ask BOB for doing anything in 0.0, or be crushed by overhelming forces. That's why BOB is not a common alliance. That's why BOB is dangerous. That's why bob shall be fighted by all people who love eve in this galaxy. Stelteck. Mon cher ami, vous Otes nanf si vous croyez que BoB peut vraiment contr(ller la totalitT de l'espace 0.0. Ils pourraient la conquTrir, certe, mais la tenir? Jamais, simplement parce qu'il faudrait que BoB deviennent absolument GIGANTESQUE ou que le GBC le deviennent, et il n'y a tout simplement pas assez de personnes dans Eve pour remplir ces r(les, et encore moins qui seraient prOt a joindre BoB ou le GBC. Cela est sans compter que si BoB rTussissait a conquTrir et tenir la totalitT du 0.0, CCP pourrait simplement crTer de nouvelles rTgions ad vitam aeternam, jusqu'a ce que BoB ne puisse rTussir a mettre le grappin dessus. And this is why I belive you are wrong.
Divus Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:15:00 - [69] Originally by: Psilocin AHEM: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/james315/killbobby.avi -------------------------------------------------
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:16:00 - [70] Originally by: Psilocin Edited by: Psilocin on 29/07/2007 17:56:38 Originally by: Zagum Darkfin ~~golf claps~~~ Nice puff piece of nothing. Now how about you get a few kills against us and then write about it. Talk is cheap, actions speak louder than words. See you in space or not. AHEM: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/james315/killbobby.avi That movie is actually really enjoyable.

Rochel Hakiri principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:17:00 - [71] Originally by: Stelteck Originally by: Deschenus Maximus -BoB and pets are evil, Goons and co are the Saviours of the Galaxy (there are no good or bad guys in this war; anyone who believes differently is, imho, an idiot). Really ? BOB was very close to be a so massive power that no one could hope to stand against it. It is still very dangerous and the defeat of the last coalition that stand against them may threaten the overall balance and interest of the eve universe and even send it to its end. There is no such threat coalition side, as the coalition is composed of many medium sized power, who band together only to counter BOB. An interesting eve universe is not an eve were a major power control all 0.0. It is an eve universe where many medium size power battle each over. It is an eve universe where you can built an alliance from scratch, like TCF one year ago and hope to gain a place in the cold immensity of 0.0 regions. It is not a place where you must ask BOB for doing anything in 0.0, or be crushed by overhelming forces. That's why BOB is not a common alliance. That's why BOB is dangerous. That's why bob shall be fighted by all people who love eve in this galaxy. Stelteck. QFT, If BoB happen to win the war, then all of EvE will lose. But I can understand the angry replies of BoB/Pets, they dont want more people starting to realise the truth Good read!
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:17:00 - [72] Originally by: Psilocin AHEM: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/james315/killbobby.avi Yes, sitting in a bubble in a stabbed up smartbombing megathron certainly qualifies him for knowing everything about BoB and their tactics. Oh my God, we have been wrong all along. /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Flow Befort GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:22:00 - [73] All I got from that are goons are freedom fighters or something and whenever we enter a system dragonforce should start playing for everyone.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:23:00 - [74] Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 29/07/2007 18:25:07 Originally by: Rochel Hakiri Originally by: Stelteck Originally by: Deschenus Maximus -BoB and pets are evil, Goons and co are the Saviours of the Galaxy (there are no good or bad guys in this war; anyone who believes differently is, imho, an idiot). Really ? BOB was very close to be a so massive power that no one could hope to stand against it. It is still very dangerous and the defeat of the last coalition that stand against them may threaten the overall balance and interest of the eve universe and even send it to its end. There is no such threat coalition side, as the coalition is composed of many medium sized power, who band together only to counter BOB. An interesting eve universe is not an eve were a major power control all 0.0. It is an eve universe where many medium size power battle each over. It is an eve universe where you can built an alliance from scratch, like TCF one year ago and hope to gain a place in the cold immensity of 0.0 regions. It is not a place where you must ask BOB for doing anything in 0.0, or be crushed by overhelming forces. That's why BOB is not a common alliance. That's why BOB is dangerous. That's why bob shall be fighted by all people who love eve in this galaxy. Stelteck. QFT, If BoB happen to win the war, then all of EvE will lose. But I can understand the angry replies of BoB/Pets, they dont want more people starting to realise the truth Good read! Here's what I replied to Stelbeck (in English this time): "My dear friend, you are naive if you believe that BoB can control the entirety of 0.0 space. They may conquer it, bu hold it? Never, simply because BoB or the GBC would need to become GIGANTIC, and there is simply not enough people in Eve to fill that role, and even less willing to join BoB/the GBC. This is not taking into account the fact that if BoB successfully managed to take and hold all of 0.0, CCP could simply create more regions until BoB couldn't put their paws on all of them." Edit: some parts were still in French
John McCloud The Blackwater Brigade	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:27:00 - [75] It's just hilarious to see how much the BOB pets embrace their slavery and come to the defence of anything BOB Makes me think of Xelas before they got evicted. They too would furiously attack anything on COAD which put BOB in a negative light! Right until the very moment they, themsleves, where kicked out by their precious masters.
Crivens GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:28:00 - [76] Originally by: Flow Befort All I got from that are goons are freedom fighters or something and whenever we enter a system dragonforce should start playing for everyone. more like yakety sax
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:30:00 - [77] Edited by: Kryztal on 29/07/2007 18:30:45 Good write up, definatly a A for effort. Been awhile since we've seen real propaganda on CAOD that contains something else then childish name calling. Not much too it though :p but like i said, its a good read and thats about it :)
Rochel Hakiri principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:30:00 - [78] Originally by: Psilocin Edited by: Psilocin on 29/07/2007 17:56:38 Originally by: Zagum Darkfin ~~golf claps~~~ Nice puff piece of nothing. Now how about you get a few kills against us and then write about it. Talk is cheap, actions speak louder than words. See you in space or not. AHEM: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/james315/killbobby.avi can you say OWNED?? lol i love James
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:30:00 - [79] Originally by: John McCloud It's just hilarious to see how much the BOB pets embrace their slavery and come to the defence of anything BOB Makes me think of Xelas before they got evicted. They too would furiously attack anything on COAD which put BOB in a negative light! Right until the very moment they, themsleves, where kicked out by their precious masters. Almost as hilarious as all the un-involved arm-chair generals and alts who actually believe everything they hear about BoB being evil and keeping slaves. /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Flow Befort GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:31:00 - [80] Originally by: Crivens Originally by: Flow Befort All I got from that are goons are freedom fighters or something and whenever we enter a system dragonforce should start playing for everyone. more like yakety sax maybe a remix of yakety sax done by dragonforce

Sean Dillon Caldari Naughty 40	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:31:00 - [81] Wall of text alert!
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:33:00 - [82] Originally by: John McCloud It's just hilarious to see how much the BOB pets embrace their slavery and come to the defence of anything BOB I don't defend "anything BoB", but I will attack pure, unaldurated bullsit, though. And instead of namecalling, how about you refute what I said? Originally by:* John McCloud Makes me think of Xelas before they got evicted. They too would furiously attack anything on COAD which put BOB in a negative light! Right until the very moment they, themsleves, where kicked out by their precious masters. Quite a few ex-Xelas still defend BoB on the forums, even though they are now "free"... how about that? Could it possibly be because the BoB position has some value? shock and horror
Local Her0 Minmatar La Mancha Corp	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:35:00 - [83] Originally by: Sean Dillon Wall of text alert! illiterate person alert!(?)
Martin VanBuren GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:35:00 - [84] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Psilocin AHEM: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/james315/killbobby.avi Yes, sitting in a bubble in a stabbed up smartbombing megathron certainly qualifies him for knowing everything about BoB and their tactics. Oh my God, we have been wrong all along. /Ki The point was that James is actively killing BoB rather than fighting exclusively on the forum, but thanks for contributing.
Bein Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:40:00 - [85] Originally by: Psilocin AHEM: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/james315/killbobby.avi sonic the hedgehog music jesus christ what a nerd
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:41:00 - [86] Originally by: John McCloud Whatever u say, n00b I waged war on Fix long before ure character was even created, so what do I know Then why don't you now? Got chicken sh*t with age? Thanks for the n00b comment tho. Made me smile. /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Flow Befort GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:42:00 - [87] character creation date is the new k/d ratio
Lerathe Vespaldia Caldari The Silent Rage R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:43:00 - [88] I just turned on "Operation Ground and Pound" by Dragonforce. This does have a Good vs. Evil feel to it. Well chosen, goon, well chosen. pew pew!
Jherek Cornelian The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:49:00 - [89] James315 I have no real clue how much truth is in your words but I have found your writing very entertaining, probably the only posts over 8 lines I have bothered to read for a long time. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:54:00 - [90] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: John McCloud Whatever u say, n00b I waged war on Fix long before ure character was even created, so what do I know Then why don't you now? Got chicken sht with age? Thanks for the n00b comment tho. Made me smile. /Ki* New DB P alt found?

Barasu Minmatar The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:55:00 - [91] Originally by: Audri Fisher Originally by: Barasu 1st page of a wall of text YAY! Heaven forbid you actually have to read something longer than 2 paragraphs, I mean, it's not like literacy and writing is the foundation of civilization or anything Well I am currently reading The Devil's Alternative by Frederrick Forsyth and just finished Clive Cusslers's Black Wind I can say I can read things way longer then 2 paragraphs. What I don't like to read is a wall of jibberish by a COAD 1 man alt corp****.
Psilocin Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:57:00 - [92] Edited by: Psilocin on 29/07/2007 18:58:01 Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Psilocin AHEM: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/james315/killbobby.avi Yes, sitting in a bubble in a stabbed up smartbombing megathron certainly qualifies him for knowing everything about BoB and their tactics. Oh my God, we have been wrong all along. /Ki And what do you call fighting almost exclusively with supercapitals that cannot be killed and even using them in ways that are later deemed to be an exploit? I'd say he's more qualified than anyone. But then again, FIX lawl
Aya Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:57:00 - [93] Excellent write up, I enjoyed the trilogy. It was funny I had to stop reading this one about half way through to try and remeber what movie and voice I was hearing when I was reading this. It finally dawned on me that your text sounds similiar to how the old Oxford Scholar in The Da Vinci Code talks. You should get a job for a paper lol, you got some talent in writing. Was fun to read hopefully things do go as you predict.
Rawstyle Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:59:00 - [94] speaking regarding the entire trilogy: clearly fairly heavily biased, but there are some very interesting points raised that i have yet to see countered with anything more than cries of 'specualtion' and 'bull**** merchant'. It being very well written also adds weight to the 'authoritative' tone you no-doubt wanted it to be recieved in, but i suppose i can't really hold that one against you
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:00:00 - [95] Originally by: John McCloud Originally by: Ki An Originally by: John McCloud It's just hilarious to see how much the BOB pets embrace their slavery and come to the defence of anything BOB Makes me think of Xelas before they got evicted. They too would furiously attack anything on COAD which put BOB in a negative light! Right until the very moment they, themsleves, where kicked out by their precious masters. Almost as hilarious as all the un-involved arm-chair generals and alts who actually believe everything they hear about BoB being evil and keeping slaves. /Ki Whatever u say, n00b I waged war on Fix long before ure character was even created, so what do I know That says ... squat. Who hasn't waged war on FIX? If that's your only claim that bolsters your apparent possession of knowledge, then most of COAD's posters are in fact well versed sages brimming with wisdom... oh wait.. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
John McCloud The Blackwater Brigade	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:00:00 - [96] Edited by: John McCloud on 29/07/2007 19:03:10 Originally by: Ki An Originally by: John McCloud Whatever u say, n00b I waged war on Fix long before ure character was even created, so what do I know Then why don't you now? Got chicken sh*t with age? Thanks for the n00b comment tho. Made me smile. /Ki Funny u should ask:D Actually, I'm back on tranq in 15 days from now When I finished with u last time, u where down from 2 regions to only holding 9cg. Then BOB came and literally bailed u. They could've done it earlier but they wanted u beaten and bruised to make sure u'd agree to their demands. Which you ofcource did Oh, funny how old man Avernus came in to this thread all of a sudden ..soooo, Ki An is ure smackalt?!
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:01:00 - [97] Originally by: Psilocin And what do you call fighting almost exclusively with supercapitals that cannot be killed and even using them in ways that are later deemed to be an exploit? I'd say he's more qualified than anyone. Wait, what? Are you saying this guy, James 315, has been fighting almost exclusively with supercapitals, thus making him qualified to read the minds of BoB pilots, or are you saying BoB have been fighting almost exclusively with supercapitals AGAINST James 315, thus granting him that clairvoyant power? In either case I'd like to know what you are smoking, and if you would be willing to pass some on to me. Originally by: Psilocin But then again, FIX lawl Yes, we are always good for a laugh. /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:03:00 - [98] Originally by: Psilocin And what do you call fighting almost exclusively with supercapitals that cannot be killed and even using them in ways that are later deemed to be an exploit? I'd say he's more qualified than anyone. Yes, because there's nothing in between a smartbombing, stabbed megathron and supercaps. Also, FIX is well known for its supercap fleet. 10 Titans and 50 Moms, at least. Originally by: Psilocin But then again, FIX lawl This argument carries much weight in debates. That's how Bush got the US to go to Iraq. Guys against Iraq: long list of reasons why it's a bad idea to go to Iraq Bush: lawl Hippies
Tonkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:03:00 - [99] very good read. if or when bob dies nap fests will be over an eve will be chaos again. like it should be, only the stong should be able to get in 0.0
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:04:00 - [100] Originally by: John McCloud Funny u should ask:D Actually, I'm back on tranq in 15 days from now When I finished with u last time, u where down from 2 regions to only holding 9cg. Then BOB came and literally bailed u. They could've done it earlier but they wanted u beaten and bruised to make sure u'd agree to their demands. Which you ofcource did Oh, funny how old man Avernus came in to this thread all of a sudden Wow, YOU where the one who almost killed FIX in the past, prompting all our old-timers to tell us haunting stories on late night patrols about the "great evil" that almost destroyed our alliance? YOU are that guy? Wow... I take back all my statements, and I will be sure to look under my bed when I go to sleep next time. John "FIX killer" McCloud might be laying there, waiting for me to close my eyes. /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!

cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:06:00 - [101] Edited by: cal nereus on 29/07/2007 19:06:37 Originally by: James 315 For one thing, in a twist of irony, PotBS has Goon devs. I know a guy IRL who is a Goon and plays PotBS! --- Grismar.net
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:09:00 - [102] Originally by: John McCloud Edited by: John McCloud on 29/07/2007 19:03:10 Originally by: Ki An Originally by: John McCloud Whatever u say, n00b I waged war on Fix long before ure character was even created, so what do I know Then why don't you now? Got chicken sh*t with age? Thanks for the n00b comment tho. Made me smile. /Ki Funny u should ask:D Actually, I'm back on tranq in 15 days from now When I finished with u last time, u where down from 2 regions to only holding 9cg. Then BOB came and literally bailed u. They could've done it earlier but they wanted u beaten and bruised to make sure u'd agree to their demands. Which you ofcource did Oh, funny how old man Avernus came in to this thread all of a sudden ..soooo, Ki An is ure smackalt?! Apparently my words went straight over your head, or you simply lack a response of any caliber worth anyone's time? As always, this is the only character I've ever posted with. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:10:00 - [103] Lol, tinfoils on people. I'm either Avernus or DBP. Or maybe I'm both? /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
John McCloud The Blackwater Brigade	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:10:00 - [104] Edited by: John McCloud on 29/07/2007 19:12:13 Originally by: Ki An Originally by: John McCloud Funny u should ask:D Actually, I'm back on tranq in 15 days from now When I finished with u last time, u where down from 2 regions to only holding 9cg. Then BOB came and literally bailed u. They could've done it earlier but they wanted u beaten and bruised to make sure u'd agree to their demands. Which you ofcource did Oh, funny how old man Avernus came in to this thread all of a sudden Wow, YOU where the one who almost killed FIX in the past, prompting all our old-timers to tell us haunting stories on late night patrols about the "great evil" that almost destroyed our alliance? YOU are that guy? Wow... I take back all my statements, and I will be sure to look under my bed when I go to sleep next time. John "FIX killer" McCloud might be laying there, waiting for me to close my eyes. /Ki Interestig how u would spin it that way, but, afterall, that is what u do Well, good for u, Avernus, oh great one
Psilocin Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:11:00 - [105] Edited by: Psilocin on 29/07/2007 19:12:56 Edited by: Psilocin on 29/07/2007 19:12:32 Edited by: Psilocin on 29/07/2007 19:11:23 I'm starting to wonder if BoB is recruiting based on EVE-O fellatio instead of killboard stats these days. Would explain quite a lot, too. /Ki -dbp
HydroSan GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:11:00 - [106] Every great empire falls eventually.
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:12:00 - [107] Edited by: Ki An on 29/07/2007 19:12:32 Originally by: John McCloud Interestig how u would spin it that way, but, afterall, that is what u do Spin what how? Are you or aren't you the guy who almost destroyed us (singlehandedly I could add) like you said in your last post? You know the post about how "when you where finished with us" and such? /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Nilit Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:13:00 - [108] Edited by: Nilit on 29/07/2007 19:13:54 I have found 86 "BoB" and 3 "BoB's" in original poster's posts The will to win is stronger than the fear of death
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:13:00 - [109] Originally by: deadtear Hey guys lets all swarm the topic and call it bull**, that way nobody will read the thread and we can sit and circlejerk about how good it is to be in bob or suck bob*** all day. This is significantly different from a bunch of GOONs (and their alts) bumping these threads with quote trees, "furthermore"'s, and whatnot, so they're at the top of CAOD far longer than would be justified by any actual discussion? I've read all three of these, top-to-bottom, and I'd put James at about 25% accuracy. But he doesn't care; as he's said, wars are won by morale, and a casual BoB or BoB-allied pilot reading this and not knowing what's going on in the command channels could very easily have a change of heart. So, even if it were 100% lies, he's accomplished his goal if even one person reads it that way. Originally by: James 315 And so the Goons fight for freedom of all, the BoB pets fight for their own slavery. Freedom of what? Freedom to post tired memes that SA stole from 4chan, * jokes, and goatse? And let's not forget freedom to insult a guy who died IRL? I'll pass, thanks. Any attempt to portray GOONies as the "moral" ones in this game is laughable at best, and more than likely downright eristic. --P Kosh*: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.*
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:21:00 - [110] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth You know, for an alliance that prides itself on not smacking and keeping honorable, it's funny to see every other post in this thread is by a FIX member. Yes, and that FIX member is me. I'm probably going to get a talking to about it and told to stay away from CAOD in the future. I just can't control myself when I read bullsh*t. /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!

Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:22:00 - [111] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth You know, for an alliance that prides itself on not smacking and keeping honorable, it's funny to see every other post in this thread is by a FIX member. Considering that the OP contains pure concentrated insults against the GBC (and thus, against FIX), can you blame them?
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:25:00 - [112] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth You know, for an alliance that prides itself on not smacking and keeping honorable, it's funny to see every other post in this thread is by a FIX member. Not smacking, being honourable, doesn't mean we stand by when people attempt to slander FIX. I do agree though, post count by FIX in this thread is quite above average; that said, we seek to meet the standards we set for ourselves, not those that others try to set for us. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Lords Of Amber	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:25:00 - [113] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley You should have stopped posting after part II, now you just appear to be some obsessed guy freaking out over internets spaceships. Oh, the irony
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:27:00 - [114] Originally by: cal nereus No offense to those who insult Goons (well, actually...), but ya, Goons embody freedom. Yes, it seems ugly, but that's freedom for you. But maybe you don't want freedom? I'm guessing you probably don't. Oh irony and hypocrisy, strike this thread with all your might! Sure, because freedom from ethics, decency and morals is what we would all like to experience more of in Eve. Right? There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:28:00 - [115] Originally by: Pilk I've read all three of these, top-to-bottom, and I'd put James at about 25% accuracy. But he doesn't care; as he's said, wars are won by morale, and a casual BoB or BoB-allied pilot reading this and not knowing what's going on in the command channels could very easily have a change of heart. So, even if it were 100% lies, he's accomplished his goal if even one person reads it that way. --P You heard it here first folks, James is wrong. Pilk: expert region-loser and senior BoB analyst.
Dungar Loghoth Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:29:00 - [116] Originally by: Avernus Originally by: Dungar Loghoth You know, for an alliance that prides itself on not smacking and keeping honorable, it's funny to see every other post in this thread is by a FIX member. Not smacking, being honourable, doesn't mean we stand by when people attempt to slander FIX. I do agree though, post count by FIX in this thread is quite above average; that said, we seek to meet the standards we set for ourselves, not those that others try to set for us. I don't think your standards for FIX can be any lower than mine, trust me.
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:30:00 - [117] Originally by: Avernus Sure, because freedom from ethics, decency and morals is what we would all like to experience more of in Eve. Right? Dude, you're on BoB's side! That's just too much irony.
Himo Amasacia Minmatar Fade to Black Inc Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:31:00 - [118] Originally by: Levka P.S. Werent you part of NSA or whatever it was called back in Deklein area when BoB took over those areas. I think i remember you from those days when i was in VNTR. You remember someones alt from some other place? Hmm.. It seems your overreliance on hacking people teamspeak has given you delusions of actual telepathic abilities.. "Constant practice devoted to one subject often outdoes both intelligence and skill." -Cicero
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:32:00 - [119] Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: Avernus Sure, because freedom from ethics, decency and morals is what we would all like to experience more of in Eve. Right? Dude, you're on BoB's side! That's just too much irony. I've said it once, and I'll say it again: no side in this war can claim the moral high ground. It's as simple as that.
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:32:00 - [120] Originally by: Avernus Originally by: cal nereus No offense to those who insult Goons (well, actually...), but ya, Goons embody freedom. Yes, it seems ugly, but that's freedom for you. But maybe you don't want freedom? I'm guessing you probably don't. Oh irony and hypocrisy, strike this thread with all your might! Sure, because freedom from ethics, decency and morals is what we would all like to experience more of in Eve. Right? Considering that Eve is a game... yes?

Psilocin Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:32:00 - [121] Originally by: Avernus Originally by: cal nereus No offense to those who insult Goons (well, actually...), but ya, Goons embody freedom. Yes, it seems ugly, but that's freedom for you. But maybe you don't want freedom? I'm guessing you probably don't. Oh irony and hypocrisy, strike this thread with all your might! Sure, because freedom from ethics, decency and morals is what we would all like to experience more of in Eve. Right? Are you seriously looking for these things in an MMORPG? On the internet?
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:33:00 - [122] Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Originally by: Avernus Originally by: Dungar Loghoth You know, for an alliance that prides itself on not smacking and keeping honorable, it's funny to see every other post in this thread is by a FIX member. Not smacking, being honourable, doesn't mean we stand by when people attempt to slander FIX. I do agree though, post count by FIX in this thread is quite above average; that said, we seek to meet the standards we set for ourselves, not those that others try to set for us. I don't think your standards for FIX can be any lower than mine, trust me. Oh gee... a one liner... I'm floored. Way to fire that salvo bud. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:35:00 - [123] Originally by: Psilocin Are you seriously looking for these things in an MMORPG? On the internet? i was looking for recipes involving mince and google led me to CAOD <3 goon sigs Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:36:00 - [124] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: Avernus Sure, because freedom from ethics, decency and morals is what we would all like to experience more of in Eve. Right? Dude, you're on BoB's side! That's just too much irony. I've said it once, and I'll say it again: no side in this war can claim the moral high ground. It's as simple as that. Then you're replying to the wrong person. I am pretty sure it wasn't me talking about "ethics, decency and morals". You will probably have to say it again. Sheeesh, why doesn't the general public finally listen to you?
Psilocin Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:38:00 - [125] Edited by: Psilocin on 29/07/2007 19:40:20 Originally by: Dr Paithos Originally by: Psilocin Are you seriously looking for these things in an MMORPG? On the internet? i was looking for recipes involving mince and google led me to CAOD <3 goon sigs Too bad us Goons live on a diet consisting completely of pubbie tears, else I'd give you some. (HOOOOOOO!)
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:39:00 - [126] Originally by: Ogodai John Then you're replying to the wrong person. I am pretty sure it wasn't me talking about "ethics, decency and morals". You will probably have to say it again. Oh I know, I was simply throwing it out there (again). Originally by: Ogodai John Sheeesh, why doesn't the general public finally listen to you? Because I'm "a BoB pet", and apparently, that discredits everything I say, no matter how true it might be.
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:41:00 - [127] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Ogodai John Then you're replying to the wrong person. I am pretty sure it wasn't me talking about "ethics, decency and morals". You will probably have to say it again. Oh I know, I was simply throwing it out there (again). Originally by: Ogodai John Sheeesh, why doesn't the general public finally listen to you? Because I'm "a BoB pet", and apparently, that discredits everything I say, no matter how true it might be. Talking to the right people might be a good start!
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:43:00 - [128] Originally by: Ogodai John Talking to the right people might be a good start!
NeoTech Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:46:00 - [129] Once again a nice report. \o/ fofofo
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:47:00 - [130] Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: Avernus Sure, because freedom from ethics, decency and morals is what we would all like to experience more of in Eve. Right? Dude, you're on BoB's side! That's just too much irony. Does my ticker say Firmus Ixion? Yep, it does. Would you like to hold me too account for how every one of my allies choose to play Eve... cus that makes sense ofc... The quoted comment I made above is in reply to the apparent 'good guy' attributes that James attempts to bestow on Goons. It's very sad when a piece of propaganda can't even lean a little bit upon the truth. I don't make explanations for my allies, nor do I try to convince people that they have attributes that aren't obviously apparent. All 3 of the OP's pieces are bloated, weak examples of propaganda. They fall flat, and only the most gullible of readers they are directed towards would take his arguments into true account. Honestly, it's more an opportunity for a forum circle jerk than any sort of discussion. I'd give a fair bit to actually see a piece on here worth arguing or debating... this stuff is tripe. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.

Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:47:00 - [131] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Ogodai John Talking to the right people might be a good start! You'd like to reply to the right people, but you decide not to, because "some" of them are in your camp and you don't want to **** on your friends parade, so you decide to school me while you mean avernus, hoping that he would get the hint? Seriously, is that what you mean with ""?
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:48:00 - [132] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Because I'm "a BoB pet", and apparently, that discredits everything I say, no matter how true it might be. You're a BoB pet? Huh, news to me. You seem to be in total agreement with Goons. --- Grismar.net
Nobues Gallente DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:50:00 - [133] Originally by: Zagum Darkfin ~~golf claps~~~ Nice puff piece of nothing. Now how about you get a few kills against us and then write about it. Talk is cheap, actions speak louder than words. See you in space or not. How? Goons kill you before anyone else has a chance to.. Webhosting & Killboard for you, your corp, and your Alliance Click me for more info
Psilocin Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:50:00 - [134] Edited by: Psilocin on 29/07/2007 19:50:22 Originally by: Avernus Slurp slurp slurp slurp Please Sir can I have some more? Fixed that for you. FOFOFOOOOO!
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:52:00 - [135] Originally by: Ogodai John You'd like to reply to the right people, but you decide not to, because "some" of them are in your camp and you don't want to **** on your friends parade, so you decide to school me while you mean avernus, hoping that he would get the hint? Seriously, is that what you mean with ""? Yes. Generally, what I say is valid for both parties, even if I don't go out pointing at my allies directly. And I didn't meant to "scool you" or anything... sorry if it seemed that way.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:53:00 - [136] Originally by: Psilocin Edited by: Psilocin on 29/07/2007 19:50:22 Originally by: Avernus Slurp slurp slurp slurp Please Sir can I have some more? Fixed that for you. Man... you obviously had to struggle to come up with that huh? There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Local Her0 Minmatar La Mancha Corp	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:54:00 - [137] Edited by: Local Her0 on 29/07/2007 19:54:46 wating for a sir-3-2-1-you-are-dead-molle post tbh its bloody sunday!
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:54:00 - [138] Originally by: Psilocin Edited by: Psilocin on 29/07/2007 19:50:22 Originally by: Avernus Slurp slurp slurp slurp Please Sir can I have some more? Fixed that for you. Yes of course, he doesn't agree with you so he must be sucking up to BoB. Is it the same way when it comes to goons? Do you guys all want into RA, so you keep sucking up to them? Do the armchair-generals all want into goonswarm so they keep sucking up to you? Is anyone agreeing with anyone else ever just a sign that they want to join their corp? Perhaps it's time you thought a bit about this for a while, but I guess it's just smack, so you don't really care. On the other hand, goon smack has been degrading lately. I think the goon ranks have swelled so much that they have been watered down, prompting a severe reduction in smack-ability. /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:57:00 - [139] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Ogodai John You'd like to reply to the right people, but you decide not to, because "some" of them are in your camp and you don't want to **** on your friends parade, so you decide to school me while you mean avernus, hoping that he would get the hint? Seriously, is that what you mean with ""? Yes. Generally, what I say is valid for both parties, even if I don't go out pointing at my allies directly. And I didn't meant to "scool you" or anything... sorry if it seemed that way. As said, I don't hold my allies to account, I hold FIX to account. When FIX starts metagaming, log on traps, and various other 'tactics' I dislike, then you won't see me in FIX at that point. Already pointed out why I said what I did above. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Local Her0 Minmatar La Mancha Corp	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:58:00 - [140] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: cal nereus Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Because I'm "a BoB pet", and apparently, that discredits everything I say, no matter how true it might be. You're a BoB pet? Huh, news to me. You seem to be in total agreement with Goons. Just because I'm a member of the GBC doesn't mean that I am a brainwashed zombie. I agree with whom I believe is right, wether that be a BoB, RA, Goon or TCF poster. u choose a side of which u think will win in the end -> ergo u believe this right etc, get over it, win some lose some, this time u lose tho

Psilocin Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:58:00 - [141] Originally by: Ki An On the other hand, goon smack has been degrading lately. I think the goon ranks have swelled so much that they have been watered down, prompting a severe reduction in smack-ability. /Ki Much like your masters. /Ki FOFOFOOOOO!
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 19:59:00 - [142] Originally by: Psilocin Originally by: Ki An On the other hand, goon smack has been degrading lately. I think the goon ranks have swelled so much that they have been watered down, prompting a severe reduction in smack-ability. /Ki Much like your masters. /Ki Congratulations, you understood the referense to the op /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:00:00 - [143] Originally by: Local Her0 Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: cal nereus Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Because I'm "a BoB pet", and apparently, that discredits everything I say, no matter how true it might be. You're a BoB pet? Huh, news to me. You seem to be in total agreement with Goons. Just because I'm a member of the GBC doesn't mean that I am a brainwashed zombie. I agree with whom I believe is right, wether that be a BoB, RA, Goon or TCF poster. u choose a side of which u think will win in the end -> ergo u believe this right etc, get over it, win some lose some, this time u lose tho I believe is OVERALL right; that doesn't stop me with disagreeing with some things my side says or agreeing with some things the other side is saying.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:01:00 - [144] Keep referencing a single firing of a single ship as a glorious victory...I'm sure they'll keep looking for ways to make you lose it.
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:02:00 - [145] Originally by: Avernus Does my ticker say Firmus Ixion? Yep, it does. Would you like to hold me too account for how every one of my allies choose to play Eve... cus that makes sense ofc... So what you're saying is you can ironically smack Goons for their lack of "ethics, decency and morals" but no one is allowed to put that into context with the ingame reality in which you are allied to, well, BoB. You know, morals and everything. Just don't do that, really. Originally by: Avernus The quoted comment I made above is in reply to the apparent 'good guy' attributes that James attempts to bestow on Goons. It's very sad when a piece of propaganda can't even lean a little bit upon the truth. I don't make explanations for my allies, nor do I try to convince people that they have attributes that aren't obviously apparent. So what you did was exactly the same you critizise about the OP. Strange, seeing how much you look down at his "piece of propaganda" here. Originally by: Avernus All 3 of the OP's pieces are bloated, weak examples of propaganda. They fall flat, and only the most gullible of readers they are directed towards would take his arguments into true account. Honestly, it's more an opportunity for a forum circle jerk than any sort of discussion. I'd give a fair bit to actually see a piece on here worth arguing or debating... this stuff is tripe. Interesting that you are "arguing or debating" in a thread you don't deem worthy of your attention, isn't it? And i wont count the FIX posting count in this "bloated, weak example of propaganda" because obviously you wouldn't care about it as only the most gullible of readers here would give a rats ass anyway, right?
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:02:00 - [146] Gotta wonder if there is any independant thought left on this forum... not too much in evidence these days. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Psilocin Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:05:00 - [147] Originally by: Avernus Gotta wonder if there is any independant thought left on this forum... not too much in evidence these days. The ironing is quite delicious FOFOFOOOOO!
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:06:00 - [148] Originally by: Psilocin The ironing is quite delicious I don't know, I usually let my wife do that for me while I yell at the tv, drink bear and beat up the kids. /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:10:00 - [149] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Ogodai John You'd like to reply to the right people, but you decide not to, because "some" of them are in your camp and you don't want to ** on your friends parade, so you decide to school me while you mean avernus, hoping that he would get the hint? Seriously, is that what you mean with ""? Yes. Generally, what I say is valid for both parties, even if I don't go out pointing at my allies directly. And I didn't meant to "scool you" or anything... sorry if it seemed that way. You're a rare kind. For a Bobbit!** Hahahahahahahaahaaaha! No offense taken, btw.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:12:00 - [150] Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: Avernus Does my ticker say Firmus Ixion? Yep, it does. Would you like to hold me too account for how every one of my allies choose to play Eve... cus that makes sense ofc... So what you're saying is you can ironically smack Goons for their lack of "ethics, decency and morals" but no one is allowed to put that into context with the ingame reality in which you are allied to, well, BoB. You know, morals and everything. Just don't do that, really. Originally by: Avernus The quoted comment I made above is in reply to the apparent 'good guy' attributes that James attempts to bestow on Goons. It's very sad when a piece of propaganda can't even lean a little bit upon the truth. I don't make explanations for my allies, nor do I try to convince people that they have attributes that aren't obviously apparent. So what you did was exactly the same you critizise about the OP. Strange, seeing how much you look down at his "piece of propaganda" here. Originally by: Avernus All 3 of the OP's pieces are bloated, weak examples of propaganda. They fall flat, and only the most gullible of readers they are directed towards would take his arguments into true account. Honestly, it's more an opportunity for a forum circle jerk than any sort of discussion. I'd give a fair bit to actually see a piece on here worth arguing or debating... this stuff is tripe. Interesting that you are "arguing or debating" in a thread you don't deem worthy of your attention, isn't it? And i wont count the FIX posting count in this "bloated, weak example of propaganda" because obviously you wouldn't care about it as only the most gullible of readers here would give a rats ass anyway, right? It's hasn't just been a slow day in the forums, nor a slow month. When there is nothing good to post in... perhaps even a thread like this one will serve for a while? When Goons get held up as a bastion of all the good things in Eve, it seriously needs a heavy smack. Ironic that I would do such a thing? Not really, I'm up for a good forum war on occasion, I just haven't seen one for a long time. I'm not saying that months ago this forum was full of good posts, but you could usually find a couple worth your time. I mean come on... the OP spends 2 posts in his second piece talking about his relationship with his girlfriend ffs, and he still doesn't manage to put across a straightforward thought after it. It's almost friggin painful. When I said this was a circle jerk, I wasn't kidding. Allies come in here 'Good post man, insightful and lots of truth!'... nuff said tbh. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.

Elohe GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:13:00 - [151] im da newby goon in the OP
Kweel Nakashyn Minmatar Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:15:00 - [152] Originally by: Zagum Darkfin ~~golf claps~~~ Nice puff piece of nothing. Now how about you get a few kills against us and then write about it. Talk is cheap, actions speak louder than words. See you in space or not. +1 with my fellow BoB compagnion. -=-=-
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:17:00 - [153] On the OP: The Coalition:'Good post man, insightful and lots of truth!' The Alliance:'What a piece of trash, wall of text, heap of noncense!' They say the truth is a 3 edged sword? No kidding
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:20:00 - [154] Originally by: Avernus posts in his second piece talking about his relationship with his girlfriend ffs, and he still doesn't manage to put across a straightforward thought after it. It's almost friggin painful. When I said this was a circle jerk, I wasn't kidding. Allies come in here 'Good post man, insightful and lots of truth!'... nuff said tbh. And enemies come in here and smack the OP. So? This guys threads are getting attention equal to those of your masters. That's what really ticks you off, isn't it? Eh, keep on fighting the good fight in this... err... horribly bad propaganda thread.
Laura Baretta Minmatar Excidium.	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:21:00 - [155] Boring! I rate it a 1/10. Mostly because it is lacking facts and is strongly biased. Also, the letters BOB can easily be replaced with pretty much any alliance in this game. Also, the OPs fundamental lack of knowledge about BoB.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:22:00 - [156] Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 29/07/2007 20:23:01 Originally by: Ogodai John You're a rare kind. For a Bobbit! Hahahahahahahaahaaaha! No, no, no... you're doing it all wrong... it's "pet" or "slave", generally preceded by "lol", "lawl" or "STFU". Allow me to exemplify: Ex 1: Me: Says something Someone from the other side: lawl pet Ex 2: Me: Says something else Someone from the other side: STFU SLAVE! EDIT: Although, I do believe someone called me a BoB alt once. Originally by: Ogodai John No offense taken, btw. Cool
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:25:00 - [157] Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: Avernus posts in his second piece talking about his relationship with his girlfriend ffs, and he still doesn't manage to put across a straightforward thought after it. It's almost friggin painful. When I said this was a circle jerk, I wasn't kidding. Allies come in here 'Good post man, insightful and lots of truth!'... nuff said tbh. And enemies come in here and smack the OP. So? This guys threads are getting attention equal to those of your masters. That's what really ticks you off, isn't it? Eh, keep on fighting the good fight in this... err... horribly bad propaganda thread. Bud, it doesn't bother me that any thread gets attention. If I bemoan anything, it's threads that lack quality that get attention. I rarely post in BoB threads, because even if it is a good original post, the following spam and crap that gets thrown on there make it senseless to actually try to participate. I don't dislike James.. I just ran out of patience waiting for a good post, and ended up giving James the shaft when I got here. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Lucky 8 Minmatar	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:26:00 - [158] A great read as usual James (much better than part2 and as good as part1). Thanks for the time this series took =) -- Originally by: Nicho Void This thread is like a chum slick for forum alt trolls.
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:33:00 - [159] Originally by: Avernus Bud, it doesn't bother me that any thread gets attention. If I bemoan anything, it's threads that lack quality that get attention. I rarely post in BoB threads, because even if it is a good original post, the following spam and crap that gets thrown on there make it senseless to actually try to participate. I don't dislike James.. I just ran out of patience waiting for a good post, and ended up giving James the shaft when I got here. Well, you won't get any decent forum war here if you go all reasonable on me. Back to the morale high ground with you, I say!
Kola XXX Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:35:00 - [160] Edited by: Kola XXX on 29/07/2007 20:38:21 Edited by: Kola XXX on 29/07/2007 20:38:00 again wow @ the op .. . you feel compelled to craft up how many hours of typing to get you're speculations across in an attempt to err shatter morale among bob pilots.... what a joke, yes . . .see you in nol and all that....how do you know goons and red aren't in f-t all over again and just don't know it ;)edit : in the time you spent typing that mess you could have mined alot of veld. oh yeah isk and ships don't win wars it's all morale....good luck with that

Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:36:00 - [161] Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: Avernus Bud, it doesn't bother me that any thread gets attention. If I bemoan anything, it's threads that lack quality that get attention. I rarely post in BoB threads, because even if it is a good original post, the following spam and crap that gets thrown on there make it senseless to actually try to participate. I don't dislike James.. I just ran out of patience waiting for a good post, and ended up giving James the shaft when I got here. Well, you won't get any decent forum war here if you go all reasonable on me. Back to the morale high ground with you, I say! Cheers. Sorry, but I need a good subject to really get into it. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:41:00 - [162] Could somebody please fluff Avernus?
Kieranda Weyland-Yutani Future Technologies Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:44:00 - [163] Edited by: Kieranda on 29/07/2007 20:44:03 Originally by: cal nereus No offense to those who insult Goons (well, actually...), but ya, Goons embody freedom. Yes, it seems ugly, but that's freedom for you. But maybe you don't want freedom? I'm guessing you probably don't. Oh irony and hypocrisy, strike this thread with all your might! there can only be "freedom" if Bob and Goons eradicate themselves from Eve for good, both are trapped in a never ending circle jerk and it is highly unlikely that they will ever get out of it
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:44:00 - [164] Originally by: Ogodai John Could somebody please fluff Avernus? OMFG Best usage of Wikipedia in the history of the Eve-O forums, by a mile.
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:48:00 - [165] Originally by: Kieranda Edited by: Kieranda on 29/07/2007 20:44:03 Originally by: cal nereus No offense to those who insult Goons (well, actually...), but ya, Goons embody freedom. Yes, it seems ugly, but that's freedom for you. But maybe you don't want freedom? I'm guessing you probably don't. Oh irony and hypocrisy, strike this thread with all your might! there can only be "freedom" if Bob and Goons eradicate themselves from Eve for good, both are trapped in a never ending circle jerk and it is highly unlikely that they will ever get out of it You're in luck. Once we're not fighting for our survival we'll be completely overcome with drama inside of a month and by three months you'll be looking at goonfleet with 70 members and everyone else in splinter corps, none of which are larger than 20 men
TrevorReznik Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:48:00 - [166] The only thing saving BoB right now is cyno jammers slowing down the attacking forces :)
Assata Shakur	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:51:00 - [167] Edited by: Assata Shakur on 29/07/2007 20:51:27 .
Necro EvilZombie North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:52:00 - [168] FIX sound like a bunch of biatches in this thread. --------------------------------------------------------------
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:53:00 - [169] Originally by: TrevorReznik The only thing saving BoB right now is cyno jammers slowing down the attacking forces :) 16 million HP... Have fun
Martin VanBuren GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:57:00 - [170] Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: Kieranda Edited by: Kieranda on 29/07/2007 20:44:03 Originally by: cal nereus No offense to those who insult Goons (well, actually...), but ya, Goons embody freedom. Yes, it seems ugly, but that's freedom for you. But maybe you don't want freedom? I'm guessing you probably don't. Oh irony and hypocrisy, strike this thread with all your might! there can only be "freedom" if Bob and Goons eradicate themselves from Eve for good, both are trapped in a never ending circle jerk and it is highly unlikely that they will ever get out of it You're in luck. Once we're not fighting for our survival we'll be completely overcome with drama inside of a month and by three months you'll be looking at goonfleet with 70 members and everyone else in splinter corps, none of which are larger than 20 men Those who do not think Theta shall carry all before them shall be sorely mistaken.

Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:57:00 - [171] Originally by: Necro EvilZombie FIX sound like a bunch of biatches in this thread. Thanks, right back at ya, bud /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Psilocin Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 20:59:00 - [172] Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: Kieranda Edited by: Kieranda on 29/07/2007 20:44:03 Originally by: cal nereus No offense to those who insult Goons (well, actually...), but ya, Goons embody freedom. Yes, it seems ugly, but that's freedom for you. But maybe you don't want freedom? I'm guessing you probably don't. Oh irony and hypocrisy, strike this thread with all your might! there can only be "freedom" if Bob and Goons eradicate themselves from Eve for good, both are trapped in a never ending circle jerk and it is highly unlikely that they will ever get out of it You're in luck. Once we're not fighting for our survival we'll be completely overcome with drama inside of a month and by three months you'll be looking at goonfleet with 70 members and everyone else in splinter corps, none of which are larger than 20 men GoonFleet vs. GoonWaffe, whoever wins - we lose! FOFOFOOOOO!
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:09:00 - [173] Originally by: Ogodai John Could somebody please fluff Avernus? I approve of this message. There are old soliders, and there are bold soliders. But there are very few old, bold soliders.
Mr Funkadelic Tenacious Danes Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:09:00 - [174] This post is actually very well written, same with the other 2. Very nice.
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:18:00 - [175] The tl;dr, low-fat, girlfriend-free, bias- (can't achieve -- with my current alliance tags) executive summary of these last three threads works out as something like this: Observation For a long time BoB have had, in the eyes of most of the playerbase, a public image that's probably summed up by "BoB don't lose fights". Regardless of the accuracy or otherwise of that statement, that's what most people who had an opinion at all about BoB believed - particularly those not directly involved in 0.0 politics. Immediately prior to the ASCN war, this was a background issue for most people, because BoB were not right out in the limelight and most people were happy to think about other things. You can judge this sort of thing fairly well by just counting the number of variations on "What happens when BoB win Eve" pop up on the forums every week. When BoB started demolishing ASCN, they pushed themselves back into the public eye, everyone remembered that hey, BoB don't lose fights, and the number of BoB-victory-related threads started to rapidly increase. People started to seriously worry what would happen when BoB "won", because nobody thought that they could lose. The eventual destruction of ASCN fuelled this, as did the subsequent collapse of the North (we're moving quickly here to save characters; homework is to write your own analysis of the effects of F-T on the general trend). With D2 and ASCN out of the picture and Goonfleet declaring that they were pulling back to wherever, people were wondering if anyone could stand up to BoB, or whether the whole of 0.0 would effectively be controlled from Delve - nobody seemed to be able to even slow them down noticably, the idea that "BoB don't lose fights" was stronger than ever and they seemed to be able to do no wrong. Then BoB ran into a brick wall in 9-9. The question of why this happened is one I'm not going to bother to try and answer, both for brevity's sake and because I know that I don't know. The fact remains though, as anyone watching the Influence map can see for themselves, that BoB have been unable to make any progress for some time now. There's a lot of information and misinformation floating around on this point, and any claim has an instant counter-claim, but the fact remains that the BoB warmachine has stalled. BoB fail to evict Goons. BoB fail to win a sovereignty battle. BoB lose fights. That's the significant event here. Go back over the forums for the last few weeks and count how many people have posted threads relating to "what will happen when BoB win". Regardless of the facts on the ground, the perception has changed. BoB are no longer seen, by most people, as an unstoppable force, because they've just been very visibly and publicly stopped. This doesn't mean that BoB are going to lose, or even that they're not winning on the ground, or anything like that at all. It has no direct effect on the material condition of the war itself. But that doesn't change the fact that the perception that BoB is unbeatable has taken a blow; how long people remember what's happening here is an open question, but right here and now BoB look vulnerable. And that's something that hasn't been true for a long, long time.
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:21:00 - [176] I wish I had written this trilogy (under an assumed name, ofc). Remember, propoganda is sometimes more effective if you say what people want to believe to be true, rather than what is actually true. So, in that vein, I fully endore the accuracy of these reports, and I am sure that they will not lead to any underestimations or surprises about the BoB war effort. (Oh, and imho, part 3 is the weakest of them all, apart from the bit in part 2 about the op's girlfriend .. for a moment I thought it was going to be revealed that she is a kickboxing supermodel, giving away the op's BoB affiliation.) The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:26:00 - [177] Originally by: Joerd Toastius The tl;dr, low-fat, girlfriend-free, bias- (can't achieve -- with my current alliance tags) executive summary of these last three threads works out as something like this: My summary was shorter, tbh
TrevorReznik Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:26:00 - [178] Toast, the PA forums miss you :(
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:26:00 - [179] A nice fairytale GOONIES = OMNIPOTENCE INCARNATE
Joerd Toastius Octavian Vanguard	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:31:00 - [180] Analysis This bit makes no claim to be unbiased, although it attempts it. It should also, hopefully, be shorter. BoB have I think spent a not-inconsiderable amount of effort creating and reinforcing their image of invulnerability. It's been extremely well-crafted, they've been very careful to ensure that everything they do at least fails to undermine it and where possible reinforces it. It's served them very well and delivered them a lot of valuable victories. That's not to take away from the fact that they're extremely skilled and experienced players, but the fact that everyone treats BoB differently gives them a comfortable buffer zone in case of any miscalculations. They've also managed to grow in a very efficient manner as a result of this aura, being able to effectively cherrypick the best PvPers around, swelling their ranks without watering down their skillbase. However, to get a broad idea of what type of recruits they've been getting, you have to ask "why would someone want to join BoB?", not as a derisive question but as an honest and open one. Back in the beginning, from what I gather, joining BoB was something like joining Outbreak today - you're signing up with a small, highly-skilled force who are willing to take anyone on and can deliver challenging fights 24/7 - and as a result, the core of BoB does seem to be made up of people who relish a fight and genuinely just want to keep on picking on the strongest enemy around. However, look at BoB today - or rather, BoB six months ago. They're the de facto big dog of 0.0, they don't lose fights, they have loads of shiny toys to play with and they'll keep you in killmails. What they haven't offered for quite some time is the old BoB experience (what's now probably the Outbreak experience) - non-stop combat with real challenge. People don't expect BoB to lose fights, so most people join BoB expecting to win. This has worked very nicely for them as long as they keep that winning streak - they maintain their stranglehold on the majority of the top PvPers and keep on winning. However, if they start losing, all those people who joined BoB on the basis that "BoB don't lose fights" are going to wonder what the hell is going on. They're not getting what they signed up for, and, looking to a hypothetical future where BoB keeps losing, the more that they feel they're losing, the more will leave. If BoB are pushed back to Delve or wherever, the core BoB membership will be loving it - it's a return to old times, fighting the big man, on the back foot, with real challenge. However, the bulk of the membership will, I suspect up sticks and move elsewhere, possibly to a gentrified Outbreak, possibly to pastures new, who knows. I see no reason to doubt the claims of BoB leadership that they're happy to be beaten, but I don't buy the suggestion that that automatically extends to their entire membership. If RSF keeps pushing them back, I think they will start to bleed players. What effect that will have on them as an alliance I don't know, but if it happens, it'll be interesting to find out.

Lunas Feelgood S.A.S Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:32:00 - [181] I have read all you threads now and I must say you are indeed a very skilled writer.. Keep it up. Originally by: Shamis Orzoz When the going gets tough...the tough join Bob. Originally by: Shin Ra Didn't u get the memo? Bending over is the new honorable thing to do!
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:33:00 - [182] If you are gonna post predictions about somthing as fluid as a war id like the numbers for next weeks lottery please.
Local Her0 Minmatar La Mancha Corp	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:36:00 - [183] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean If you are gonna post predictions about somthing as fluid as a war id like the numbers for next weeks lottery please. voting worst response so far
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 21:43:00 - [184] Originally by: Local Her0 Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean If you are gonna post predictions about somthing as fluid as a war id like the numbers for next weeks lottery please. voting worst response so far Come on... there's been far worse than that in this thread.
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:01:00 - [185] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 29/07/2007 20:47:07 Originally by: Ogodai John Could somebody please fluff Avernus? OMFG Best usage of Wikipedia in the history of the Eve-O forums, by a mile. Thank you. I live to please (much like you, petslave!).
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:05:00 - [186] Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 29/07/2007 20:47:07 Originally by: Ogodai John Could somebody please fluff Avernus? OMFG Best usage of Wikipedia in the history of the Eve-O forums, by a mile. Thank you. I live to please (much like you, petslave!). Oooh... combining the two... shiny! gives Ogodai a gold star for creativity
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:10:00 - [187] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 29/07/2007 20:47:07 Originally by: Ogodai John Could somebody please fluff Avernus? OMFG Best usage of Wikipedia in the history of the Eve-O forums, by a mile. Thank you. I live to please (much like you, petslave!). Oooh... combining the two... shiny! gives Ogodai a gold star for creativity Sigh, how did it come to this? When did this perfectly good mudfight turn into some sort of lighthearted civilized banter? Seriously, your masters must be dissapointed in your lack of fighting spirit on this very forum, good sir!
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:15:00 - [188] Originally by: Ogodai John Sigh, how did it come to this? When did this perfectly good mudfight turn into some sort of lighthearted civilized banter? Seriously, your masters must be dissapointed in your lack of fighting spirit on this very forum, good sir! ****, you're right... if I don't flame, Molle will molest me... hum... YOU SUCK! There! Got away scot free... I hope...
Sokratesz Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:16:00 - [189] Your COAD threads make bunny sad. No really.
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:21:00 - [190] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Ogodai John Sigh, how did it come to this? When did this perfectly good mudfight turn into some sort of lighthearted civilized banter? Seriously, your masters must be dissapointed in your lack of fighting spirit on this very forum, good sir! ***, you're right... if I don't flame, Molle will molest me... hum... YOU SUCK! There! Got away scot free... I hope... shakes head in disgust* Deschenus, I expected more from you. Just when we started to have a civilized discussion on CAOD - and I might add that this happens rarely enough these days - you just have to fall back to your old habbits and start flaming on the lowest levels. I "suck"? How does my rl sexual orientation factor into anything concerning the topic at hand? And all of this just to please your masters, pet? Dissapointed, O.J.

Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:23:00 - [191] Originally by: Ogodai John Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Ogodai John Sigh, how did it come to this? When did this perfectly good mudfight turn into some sort of lighthearted civilized banter? Seriously, your masters must be dissapointed in your lack of fighting spirit on this very forum, good sir! ***, you're right... if I don't flame, Molle will molest me... hum... YOU SUCK! There! Got away scot free... I hope... shakes head in disgust* Deschenus, I expected more from you. Just when we started to have a civilized discussion on CAOD - and I might add that this happens rarely enough these days - you just have to fall back to your old habbits and start flaming on the lowest levels. I "suck"? How does my rl sexual orientation factor into anything concerning the topic at hand? And all of this just to please your masters, pet? Dissapointed, O.J. GOD! YOU ARE RIGHT! commits seppuku
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:27:00 - [192] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus GOD! YOU ARE RIGHT! commits seppuku Copycnut. And I'm not talking about a certain king of England, Norway and Denmark.
Onwyn Orbatsuu International Multi-Player Consortium Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:29:00 - [193] I'm sorry, but when did this become a FIX thread? If bob wants to smack, let bob smack, I'm sure they don't need FIX to stand up for them. Kind of like the little brother throwing a rock at some kid and then hoding behind his older larger brother... oh wait.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:31:00 - [194] Originally by: Onwyn Orbatsuu I'm sorry, but when did this become a FIX thread? When the OP insulted the entirety of the GBC? Originally by: Onwyn Orbatsuu If bob wants to smack, let bob smack, I'm sure they don't need FIX to stand up for them. Not everything is about BoB, believe it or not. Originally by: Onwyn Orbatsuu Kind of like the little brother throwing a rock at some kid and then hoding behind his older larger brother... oh wait. Are you sure you want to head down that path?
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:46:00 - [195] Well, I'd like to apologize for my behaviour in this thread. I feel the OP is wrong, but that's just his opinion. The reason for this apology is a convo I had with a respected member of -A- alliance, who gracefully convo'ed me in game to state that I perhaps was a bit harsh in some of my replies. Here's the log of the chat with my benefactor in -A-. /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Reservoir'Dog Caldari Army of the 12 Monkeys	Posted - 2007.07.29 22:54:00 - [196] When I frist started playing, everyone complained about the m0o... then it was the RUS. Here comes BoB into view... Now we have Goon's who came to EVE with the sole purpose of damaging the game... At least the previous forum *****s wanted to play the game...
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 23:00:00 - [197] Originally by: Ki An Well, I'd like to apologize for my behaviour in this thread. I feel the OP is wrong, but that's just his opinion. The reason for this apology is a convo I had with a respected member of -A- alliance, who gracefully convo'ed me in game to state that I perhaps was a bit harsh in some of my replies. Here's the log of the chat with my benefactor in -A-. /Ki Anyone surprised by the Crucifier tough guy routine? Anyone?
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.29 23:02:00 - [198] Edited by: Ogodai John on 29/07/2007 23:02:03 Originally by: Ki An Why don't you convo me and cry about it like Crucifier? /Ki I don't know if the "people on Eve-O" could handle any more of this, tbh. You really showed them!
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.07.29 23:03:00 - [199] Another interesting read.
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 23:06:00 - [200] Originally by: Ogodai John I don't know if the "people on Eve-O" could handle any more of this, tbh. You really showed them! Showed them what? That if you don't like something written on the forums, convo the author and gracefully ask him to stop posting like that, or that if you have absolutely nothing to do with a conflict, just form a corp and start spamming CAOD like you actually know anything? /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!

Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.29 23:10:00 - [201] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Ogodai John I don't know if the "people on Eve-O" could handle any more of this, tbh. You really showed them! Showed them what? That if you don't like something written on the forums, convo the author and gracefully ask him to stop posting like that, or that if you have absolutely nothing to do with a conflict, just form a corp and start spamming CAOD like you actually know anything? /Ki Do us a favor and fluff Avernus.
Local Her0 Minmatar La Mancha Corp	Posted - 2007.07.29 23:35:00 - [202] Originally by: Psilocin Edited by: Psilocin on 29/07/2007 17:56:38 Originally by: Zagum Darkfin ~~golf claps~~~ Nice puff piece of nothing. Now how about you get a few kills against us and then write about it. Talk is cheap, actions speak louder than words. See you in space or not. AHEM: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/james315/killbobby.avi local chat is hilarious
Angelus Damelon Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.29 23:41:00 - [203] Originally by: Ki An Well, I'd like to apologize for my behaviour in this thread. I feel the OP is wrong, but that's just his opinion. The reason for this apology is a convo I had with a respected member of -A- alliance, who gracefully convo'ed me in game to state that I perhaps was a bit harsh in some of my replies. Here's the log of the chat with my benefactor in -A-. /Ki [ 2007.07.29 21:52:08 ] Ki An > Are you aware that my son has been reading this convo? thanks for this
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.29 23:44:00 - [204] MY SON
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 23:49:00 - [205] Originally by: Angelus Damelon Originally by: Ki An Well, I'd like to apologize for my behaviour in this thread. I feel the OP is wrong, but that's just his opinion. The reason for this apology is a convo I had with a respected member of -A- alliance, who gracefully convo'ed me in game to state that I perhaps was a bit harsh in some of my replies. Here's the log of the chat with my benefactor in -A-. /Ki [ 2007.07.29 21:52:08 ] Ki An > Are you aware that my son has been reading this convo? thanks for this So you're going to pick on that on that and not the line after line of "internet tough guy" routine Crucifier was spewing out?
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.29 23:57:00 - [206] Wierd thing is, about 10 minutes or so after I posted the log here, I got convoed by someone called 'Hellooo', who then proceeded to invite a bunch of people, including Crucifier and Dark Shikari from my own alliance. She then tried to scare me by saying "We are all Crucifier's friends, you smack him, you smack us all", but the rest of the guys in the convo didn't seem to know what the hell was going on. I was muted by Hellooo and then I left the convo. Wierd. Seemed like some sort of "Old Boy's Guard" thing at first, but then it looked like a weak attempt by a nobody to incite more flaming. /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.29 23:58:00 - [207] Originally by: Ki An Wierd thing is, about 10 minutes or so after I posted the log here, I got convoed by someone called 'Hellooo', who then proceeded to invite a bunch of people, including Crucifier and Dark Shikari from my own alliance. She then tried to scare me by saying "We are all Crucifier's friends, you smack him, you smack us all", but the rest of the guys in the convo didn't seem to know what the hell was going on. I was muted by Hellooo and then I left the convo. Wierd. Seemed like some sort of "Old Boy's Guard" thing at first, but then it looked like a weak attempt by a nobody to incite more flaming. /Ki
Freydis Eiriksdottir Mandala Group	Posted - 2007.07.30 00:03:00 - [208] Sledge hammers of truth pounding the iron heart of sin. Keep up the good work.
BIRDofPREY Minmatar KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.30 00:10:00 - [209] There is a thing you see alot in pop-science. You tell four or five truths and then one half baked conjecture and fifty percent of the population thinks you are dead on. In this case, the OP came up with a few verifiable observations and then meanders about what it all means, without any actual evidence. It sort of a "Killing Turkey's causes winter" situation.
BIRDofPREY Minmatar KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.30 00:15:00 - [210] Originally by: Ki An Wierd thing is, about 10 minutes or so after I posted the log here, I got convoed by someone called 'Hellooo', who then proceeded to invite a bunch of people, including Crucifier and Dark Shikari from my own alliance. She then tried to scare me by saying "We are all Crucifier's friends, you smack him, you smack us all", but the rest of the guys in the convo didn't seem to know what the hell was going on. I was muted by Hellooo and then I left the convo. Wierd. Seemed like some sort of "Old Boy's Guard" thing at first, but then it looked like a weak attempt by a nobody to incite more flaming. /Ki Sounds more like something that should be petitioned as Harassment

The Hooch Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 00:25:00 - [211] Edited by: The Hooch on 30/07/2007 00:26:38 Originally by: BIRDofPREY 1) Go to your local community college and take a couple of writing classes. They are very good at getting people to write effectively and logically. A few runs at the MLA or APA format and you will know what I mean. 2) What you have written is supposition and conjecture. There is nothing substantial or indicative of real insight. 3) You have way, way too much time on your hands. Funny how people say that when something smacks of the truth.
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.30 00:28:00 - [212] Edited by: Capt Rob on 30/07/2007 00:32:52 Edited by: Capt Rob on 30/07/2007 00:32:22 Edited by: Capt Rob on 30/07/2007 00:30:47 Originally by: Ki An Wierd thing is, about 10 minutes or so after I posted the log here, I got convoed by someone called 'Hellooo', who then proceeded to invite a bunch of people, including Crucifier and Dark Shikari from my own alliance. She then tried to scare me by saying "We are all Crucifier's friends, you smack him, you smack us all", but the rest of the guys in the convo didn't seem to know what the hell was going on. I was muted by Hellooo and then I left the convo. Wierd. Seemed like some sort of "Old Boy's Guard" thing at first, but then it looked like a weak attempt by a nobody to incite more flaming. /Ki Dont mess with D-C ******
Viper ShizzIe Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.30 00:29:00 - [213] Originally by: Ki An Wierd thing is, about 10 minutes or so after I posted the log here, I got convoed by someone called 'Hellooo', who then proceeded to invite a bunch of people, including Crucifier and Dark Shikari from my own alliance. She then tried to scare me by saying "We are all Crucifier's friends, you smack him, you smack us all", but the rest of the guys in the convo didn't seem to know what the hell was going on. I was muted by Hellooo and then I left the convo. Wierd. Seemed like some sort of "Old Boy's Guard" thing at first, but then it looked like a weak attempt by a nobody to incite more flaming. /Ki Don't **** with DC.
Gunney McGunner GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 00:30:00 - [214] So a guy takes time to write out a detailed account of his perception of the war and what he thinks it means, and people smack him for it. 8 pages of forum nanny's trying to tell others how to act. I swear, you are all useless.
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.30 00:43:00 - [215] Originally by: Capt Rob Dont mess with D-C ****** Lol, is that the best you lot could come up with after I left the convo? I'll give you an A for effort /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Ex0101 Gallente Hell's Horsemen	Posted - 2007.07.30 00:48:00 - [216] Another fun read, will miss these writeups, nice work --
albert camus Corp 1 Allstars Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 00:52:00 - [217] Quote: Wierd thing is, about 10 minutes or so after I posted the log here, I got convoed by someone called 'Hellooo', who then proceeded to invite a bunch of people, including Crucifier and Dark Shikari from my own alliance. She then tried to scare me by saying "We are all Crucifier's friends, you smack him, you smack us all", but the rest of the guys in the convo didn't seem to know what the hell was going on. I was muted by Hellooo and then I left the convo. Wierd. Seemed like some sort of "Old Boy's Guard" thing at first, but then it looked like a weak attempt by a nobody to incite more flaming. /Ki Dont mess with D-C ******
Feterous Jolin Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.30 00:58:00 - [218] Quote: Wierd thing is, about 10 minutes or so after I posted the log here, I got convoed by someone called 'Hellooo', who then proceeded to invite a bunch of people, including Crucifier and Dark Shikari from my own alliance. She then tried to scare me by saying "We are all Crucifier's friends, you smack him, you smack us all", but the rest of the guys in the convo didn't seem to know what the hell was going on. I was muted by Hellooo and then I left the convo. Wierd. Seemed like some sort of "Old Boy's Guard" thing at first, but then it looked like a weak attempt by a nobody to incite more flaming. Don't mess with D-C
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.30 00:59:00 - [219] Originally by: Feterous Jolin Don't mess with D-C Anyone care to explain?
Kindakrof Caldari Cruor Frater Coalition of Carebear Killers	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:00:00 - [220] Quote: Wierd thing is, about 10 minutes or so after I posted the log here, I got convoed by someone called 'Hellooo', who then proceeded to invite a bunch of people, including Crucifier and Dark Shikari from my own alliance. She then tried to scare me by saying "We are all Crucifier's friends, you smack him, you smack us all", but the rest of the guys in the convo didn't seem to know what the hell was going on. I was muted by Hellooo and then I left the convo. Wierd. Seemed like some sort of "Old Boy's Guard" thing at first, but then it looked like a weak attempt by a nobody to incite more flaming. /Ki Don't mess with D-C --- --- ---

Bek Team Bek	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:01:00 - [221] Originally by: Ki An Wierd thing is, about 10 minutes or so after I posted the log here, I got convoed by someone called 'Hellooo', who then proceeded to invite a bunch of people, including Crucifier and Dark Shikari from my own alliance. She then tried to scare me by saying "We are all Crucifier's friends, you smack him, you smack us all", but the rest of the guys in the convo didn't seem to know what the hell was going on. I was muted by Hellooo and then I left the convo. Wierd. Seemed like some sort of "Old Boy's Guard" thing at first, but then it looked like a weak attempt by a nobody to incite more flaming. /Ki Don't mess with D-C.
BlackHorizon Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:02:00 - [222] Don't **** with D-C
Silverkin Jell-O	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:03:00 - [223] Originally by: Ki An Wierd thing is, about 10 minutes or so after I posted the log here, I got convoed by someone called 'Hellooo', who then proceeded to invite a bunch of people, including Crucifier and Dark Shikari from my own alliance. She then tried to scare me by saying "We are all Crucifier's friends, you smack him, you smack us all", but the rest of the guys in the convo didn't seem to know what the hell was going on. I was muted by Hellooo and then I left the convo. Wierd. Seemed like some sort of "Old Boy's Guard" thing at first, but then it looked like a weak attempt by a nobody to incite more flaming. /Ki Don't EVER **** with the D-C
DHB FooFighter Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:03:00 - [224] Don't **** with D-C -------------------------------------------------
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:09:00 - [225] Dont ** with D-C Originally by:** Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:12:00 - [226] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Feterous Jolin Don't mess with D-C Anyone care to explain? Yeah, apparently the people in the convo I was invited to all agreed to post on this thread with some kind of made up "club". Kind of sad really, but I suppose it's a bit funny as well. /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:14:00 - [227] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Feterous Jolin Don't mess with D-C Anyone care to explain? Yeah, apparently the people in the convo I was invited to all agreed to post on this thread with some kind of made up "club". Kind of sad really, but I suppose it's a bit funny as well. /Ki you realy know nothing Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
UGWidowmaker Caldari The Ankou The Reckoning.	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:14:00 - [228] lol at all the fear in here--- pets pets crawling up the leg... OMFG I am the widowmaker stay tuned.
Viper ShizzIe Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:15:00 - [229] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Feterous Jolin Don't mess with D-C Anyone care to explain? Yeah, apparently the people in the convo I was invited to all agreed to post on this thread with some kind of made up "club". Kind of sad really, but I suppose it's a bit funny as well. /Ki Awww, someone's emo that they have no idea what the **** they're talking about. Remember, down the road, not across the street. You only get one chance, make it worthwhile.
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:15:00 - [230] Originally by: Lilan Kahn you realy know nothing I know it's a bit sad getting this worked up over a video game. /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!

Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:17:00 - [231] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Lilan Kahn you realy know nothing I know it's a bit sad getting this worked up over a video game. /Ki i am not the one that keeps spaming over a internet space ship game am i? Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
DHB FooFighter Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:17:00 - [232] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Lilan Kahn you realy know nothing I know it's a bit sad getting this worked up over a video game. /Ki just cause your not cool enough doesn't mean you need to get bitter -------------------------------------------------
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:19:00 - [233] Originally by: DHB FooFighter just cause your not cool enough doesn't mean you need to get bitter Perhaps you should reign in your alliance mates so they don't convo people just to smack and do a bad job of it at that? /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:20:00 - [234] Originally by: Lilan Kahn i am not the one that keeps spaming over a internet space ship game am i? Well, you've posted twice here just because I insulted your "boy" after he tried to smack me over an internet space ship game. /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
DHB FooFighter Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:21:00 - [235] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: DHB FooFighter just cause your not cool enough doesn't mean you need to get bitter Perhaps you should reign in your alliance mates so they don't convo people just to smack and do a bad job of it at that? /Ki I applaud his effort. MOAR SMACK!!! -------------------------------------------------
Martin VanBuren GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:23:00 - [236] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Lilan Kahn i am not the one that keeps spaming over a internet space ship game am i? Well, you've posted twice here just because I insulted your "boy" after he tried to smack me over an internet space ship game. /Ki Dawg when you've even got your fellow pets going after you it might be time to stop posting.
Feterous Jolin Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:26:00 - [237] Edited by: Feterous Jolin on 30/07/2007 01:28:07 LOUD NOISES!!!111 Quit now and rid us of your ignorance plz.
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:28:00 - [238] Edited by: Ki An on 30/07/2007 01:30:12 Originally by: Feterous Jolin LOUD NOISES!!!111 Quit now and rid us of your ignorance plz. Uhm, no? Edit: Look, if there's something you guys want to say to me, we can have another group-chat circle-jerk, but let's keep it off the forums, eh? Don't want to get a top class thread like this locked, now do we? /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Silverkin Jell-O	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:31:00 - [239] Originally by: Ki An Edited by: Ki An on 30/07/2007 01:30:12 Originally by: Feterous Jolin LOUD NOISES!!!111 Quit now and rid us of your ignorance plz. Uhm, no? Edit: Look, if there's something you guys want to say to me, we can have another group-chat circle-jerk, but let's keep it off the forums, eh? Don't want to get a top class thread like this locked, now do we? /Ki It's a club, an imaginary gentlemans club.
John McCloud The Blackwater Brigade	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:33:00 - [240] Ki An: You acted as if u knew something, u acted as if u where an alt of someone of importance, someone of knowledge and of experience. As Cruisifier soon found out, u did indeed turn out to be someone who really did'nt have a clue...at all.

Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.30 01:34:00 - [241] Originally by: John McCloud Ki An: You acted as if u knew something, u acted as if u where an alt of someone of importance, someone of knowledge and of experience. As Cruisifier soon found out, u did indeed turn out to be someone who really did'nt have a clue...at all. Feels good to be able to step out under the skirts of bigger men and smack someone, doesn't it? /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Zrevak Ashek Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.07.30 02:01:00 - [242] Edited by: Zrevak Ashek on 30/07/2007 02:03:04 Whatever happened to Fix? Fix was known for their no-smack attitude. Enter Ki An. Do you really want just a SINGLE person to ruin that image you've worked so hard to maintain all these years? I'd think a gagorder would indeed be an appropriate action.
Ki An Gallente KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.30 02:04:00 - [243] Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Whatever happened to Fix? Fix was known for their no-smack attitude. Enter Ki An. Do you really want just a SINGLE person to ruin that image you've worked so hard to maintain all these years? I'd think a gagorder would indeed be in order. It's ok. I'll gag myself. Don't want my alliance to catch any flak for my behaviour. It's just that having to listen to enless amounts of stupid smack and lies makes me want to comment, and generally not in a nice way. Sorry FIX. I'll shut up now. /Ki Remember kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.30 02:13:00 - [244] Edited by: Capt Rob on 30/07/2007 02:16:04 Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Zrevak Ashek Whatever happened to Fix? Fix was known for their no-smack attitude. Enter Ki An. Do you really want just a SINGLE person to ruin that image you've worked so hard to maintain all these years? I'd think a gagorder would indeed be in order. It's ok. I'll gag myself. Don't want my alliance to catch any flak for my behaviour. It's just that having to listen to enless amounts of stupid smack and lies makes me want to comment, and generally not in a nice way. Sorry FIX. I'll shut up now. /Ki LOL, dont worry Fix get enuff flak already; dont rly matter bout you [img]http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1503/robsigrj7.jpg[img]
Garrett Smith ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 03:12:00 - [245] Nice read. You should write in RL. Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom! -Sahwoolo Etoophie
Exortius Amarrus The Clearwater Society Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.07.30 03:24:00 - [246] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Lilan Kahn you realy know nothing I know it's a bit sad getting this worked up over a video game. /Ki Next time don't ** with D-C. Oh ** wait...
Capt Rob Minmatar Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.07.30 03:34:00 - [247] Originally by: Exortius Amarrus Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Lilan Kahn you realy know nothing I know it's a bit sad getting this worked up over a video game. /Ki Next time don't ** with D-C. Oh ** wait... FLAME
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.07.30 03:35:00 - [248] Originally by: Capt Rob Originally by: Exortius Amarrus Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Lilan Kahn you realy know nothing I know it's a bit sad getting this worked up over a video game. /Ki Next time don't ** with D-C. Oh wait... FLAME MOARE LOGS Originally by:** Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
ForumPosterAlt HERRO KITTY	Posted - 2007.07.30 03:44:00 - [249] Originally by: Flow Befort All I got from that are goons are freedom fighters or something and whenever we enter a system dragonforce should start playing for everyone. This made me laugh hard. I award you 10 internets. Because posting on the forums is serious business.
Goonswarmalwayslose	Posted - 2007.07.30 03:44:00 - [250] BoB is so great, yet they never bailed out their closest ally lv, weak . BoB how can you be losing with all isk, the cowards never came to help lv, and now they are losing their front as well. Tip for BoB: Use your gazzillion isk from hacked bpos to buy 10 cap alts per player. If you do this you will have the ultimate pwn cap fleet!

Sentinel Eeex Caldari Lords Of Amber	Posted - 2007.07.30 04:01:00 - [251] Originally by: Ki An Edit: Look, if there's something you guys want to say to me, we can have another group-chat circle-jerk, but let's keep it off the forums, eh? Don't want to get a top class thread like this locked, now do we? I have no idea what they'd like to tell you, but ffs - please STOP with your spam. Go write a blog and whine there, just stop whining here. Feature I miss the most, on eve-o forums, is ability to 'block' characters so I don't need to scroll over their ****.
Amandrace Minmatar Archon Industries	Posted - 2007.07.30 04:09:00 - [252] great read, well written :)
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 05:03:00 - [253] Edited by: Alias11 on 30/07/2007 05:07:16 Originally by: Angelus Damelon Originally by: Ki An Well, I'd like to apologize for my behaviour in this thread. I feel the OP is wrong, but that's just his opinion. The reason for this apology is a convo I had with a respected member of -A- alliance, who gracefully convo'ed me in game to state that I perhaps was a bit harsh in some of my replies. Here's the log of the chat with my benefactor in -A-. /Ki [ 2007.07.29 21:52:08 ] Ki An > Are you aware that my son has been reading this convo? thanks for this My dad would take me sailing or flying on weekends, but apparently father-son bonding consists of flailing like mad on the forums, followed by drinking oneself into a stupor, followed by domestic abuse Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Lilan Kahn you realy know nothing I know it's a bit sad getting this worked up over a video game. /Ki You have 10% of the posts in a thread thats got over 250 posts, that's sad, even for me.
Biosman Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.07.30 05:47:00 - [254] Best thing I have read in these forums,certainly food for thought
Liu Kaskakka PAK	Posted - 2007.07.30 05:52:00 - [255] Originally by: Biosman Best thing I have read in these forums,certainly food for thought Or maybe hippo food? King Liu is RIGHT!!
Apollyon X Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.30 07:02:00 - [256] awsome. 100 percent true too keep it up.

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Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.07.30 07:29:00 - [258] Quote: Could it possibly be because the BoB position has some value? No. _________________________________________________________
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.30 07:32:00 - [259] Originally by: Voculus Quote: Could it possibly be because the BoB position has some value? No. Yes.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.07.30 07:34:00 - [260] Well, I quite enjoyed Parts I & II (depsite making exactly the same points myself over a year ago) however this final 'thrilling' installment has highlighted the OP's actual motives. It's actually all rather bitter... and it can only get more so ---------- signature removed - please do not discuss moderation in your signature graphic - Jacques([email protected])

Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.07.30 08:14:00 - [261] Butterbrain defending BoB et al on this forum is truly ironic, given his past antics here. And the stench of fear and panic coming from the Greater Pet Community is both revolting and invigorating at the same time. I haven't seen a Combined Forum Storm Op from them of this size since Pendulum 1.0 (though, the Goon Threadnaught far outclasses any spamstorm a blobbit could ever do). I salute the OP for making pets and masters alike come out here, jump up and down, and scream "NONONONONONONONO YOU LIELIELIELIELIELIELIE" with his Lord of the BoBs Trilogy. May the epilogue/postmortem, entitled "Where BoB went wrong", come swiftly.
Doodar Aliastra	Posted - 2007.07.30 08:23:00 - [262] ki an should be kicked from fix and his character blacklisted no questions asked. otherwise fix condones smacking and they suck
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.07.30 08:26:00 - [263] Post with your main.
Vasili Z Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.07.30 08:27:00 - [264] zzzzzzzzzzz ---- Everything I say represents my corporation and their views.
Zerv Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.30 08:43:00 - [265] good read.
Mr Broker Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.07.30 08:51:00 - [266] BOB are alright, but their pets here, simply disgraceful. Even BOB mus tfeel embarassed sometimes. Must also be difficult for them to walk with a pet clinging onto their leg and making sad puppie faces.
MultiSpec Caldari The Goods	Posted - 2007.07.30 09:43:00 - [267] good informative read, i think you need to use sources and witness testimony in your next.
Professor Pizi	Posted - 2007.07.30 09:44:00 - [268] well i normaly dont post on here but the 3 parts were good read i dunno if bob will loose in the end but there are signs that things dont go as planned ATM not beeing able to make any progress in the south ATM the north was killed by MC, pets, backstabbers and 2 huge hits to D2 the smartbombed titan and the 3? corps leaving with another titan not many BOB invoved FIX needed help.. no BOB comming again they sent MC the recent corp theft .. some will say the smart ones caching in wh ever thought before that such a high up member will ever betra his "friends" all this and some more has bob taintet as just another alliance not the pvp gods they were before its interresting what the future will bring personally i think EVE is a better place without goons and bob
Saldio GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.07.30 09:52:00 - [269] Posting to say that I hope goons are only getting so much limelight because of our history of animosity towards BoB. Our dear allies do a lot of the heavy lifting; we're just meatshields.
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 09:52:00 - [270] bob are having a good night tonight Guys watch out, we are in another F-T and we don't know it

Lee Bian Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 09:54:00 - [271] Originally by: Fry Fortune bob are having a good night tonight Guys watch out, we are in another F-T and we don't know it tbqh we dont know a lot
Vesel4ak OEG Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 10:07:00 - [272] BoB loosing 66- now despite of two titans in local. And they will loose 66- in one week much faster than 9-9. Seems train on the road to ruin.
Kola XXX Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.30 10:10:00 - [273] Originally by: Fry Fortune bob are having a good night tonight Guys watch out, we are in another F-T and we don't know it ...you paying attention in game right now ?? hehe
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.07.30 10:10:00 - [274] It has no breaks...er, I meant, we're all dead, we just don't know it yet.
Schroni coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.07.30 10:15:00 - [275] entertaining read. ---
Lee Bian Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 10:31:00 - [276] Originally by: Kola XXX ...you paying attention in game right now ?? hehe i'm at work, so tell me: how many POSes did you kill?
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.30 10:33:00 - [277] Originally by: Tetsujin "And so the Goons fight for freedom of all, the BoB pets fight for their own slavery." is a good sentence. Funny too me, myself and I ------>
Moon Kitten GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.07.30 10:39:00 - [278] Originally by: Darcuese Originally by: Tetsujin "And so the Goons fight for freedom of all, the BoB pets fight for their own slavery." is a good sentence. Funny too QFT!!!!!!! I live under a bridge
Will Hunter GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 11:04:00 - [279] well bob could not kill any tower in 66, and also got a pretty bad K/D ratio MY K/D BACKBONE!
NeoTech Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 11:11:00 - [280] 66- fell to the RapeTrain Feyth next! fofofo

fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.30 11:18:00 - [281] Thoroughly enjoyable battle in 66 today lads n lasses. Lag was abit screwy for me personally and i desynced at the first battle at the 7-8 gate GOONIES = OMNIPOTENCE INCARNATE
Porks GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 12:16:00 - [282] Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: Kola XXX ...you paying attention in game right now ?? hehe i'm at work, so tell me: how many POSes did you kill? Don't be dumb, their goal was to get goons out to fight.
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 13:47:00 - [283] Originally by: fire 59 Thoroughly enjoyable battle in 66 today lads n lasses. Lag was abit screwy for me personally and i desynced at the first battle at the 7-8 gate Yeah there last was pretty terrible but for the most part it was very fun.
Nlewis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 13:54:00 - [284] Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: Kola XXX ...you paying attention in game right now ?? hehe i'm at work, so tell me: how many POSes did you kill? yes I would like an update as well for the at work crew
Scagga Laebetrovo Delictum 23216	Posted - 2007.07.30 14:34:00 - [285] You're good at this, James. Delictum 23216 Official forums
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.07.30 15:39:00 - [286] It's like a JC post except slightly more bias and backing the other side instead. \o/
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 15:44:00 - [287] Originally by: Nlewis Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: Kola XXX ...you paying attention in game right now ?? hehe i'm at work, so tell me: how many POSes did you kill? yes I would like an update as well for the at work crew Bob killed no POS's, dd'd some ships, and lost a lot of expensive gear, which we're currently refining to make frigates.
ARC Harpy Caldari ARC Angel Harpies	Posted - 2007.07.30 16:19:00 - [288] BoB is not weakening, it's strongest as it is ever was, but at this time. It's against a determined, aggressive and Brutal Enemy that ramming themselves at BoB in both a suicidal and a tactical manner. Many people dream that BoB will collapse, but in reality it's not. BoB Controls 6 Regions, and partially 1. You Really think some alliance that controls that many people, will just fall like that * . It's not going to happen, as said again and again. They are Brothers in and out. The are friends in an out, the god dam best fighting force in Eve. And You really think that any of you can defeat them by hopes or dreams. Then your sadly mistaken by long shot. The only way BoB will be killed, is not through brute force, stealing, or giving them the fight of there lives. Is break there bond with each other, make them an impossible fighting force. Though, if BoB leadership who I am, well, this is going get interesting.
xCOUNTx GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 16:23:00 - [289] Originally by: ARC Harpy It's not going to happen, as said again and again. They are Brothers in and out. The are friends in an out, the god dam best fighting force in Eve. And You really think that any of you can defeat them by hopes or dreams. Then your sadly mistaken by long shot. ahahahahahaha
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 16:31:00 - [290] Edited by: Orangir on 30/07/2007 16:32:29 Originally by: ARC Harpy BoB Controls 6 Regions, and partially 1. You Really think some alliance that controls that many people, will just fall like that * . Yeah man, it's not like the RSF has ever beaten an alliance or coalition of alliances that held 8 regions or anything. The Southern Coalition will never fall when they control that many people, oh wait...

Nlewis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 16:45:00 - [291] Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: Nlewis Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: Kola XXX ...you paying attention in game right now ?? hehe i'm at work, so tell me: how many POSes did you kill? yes I would like an update as well for the at work crew Bob killed no POS's, dd'd some ships, and lost a lot of expensive gear, which we're currently refining to make frigates. Ah yes. More frigates for our frigate backbone
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Lords Of Amber	Posted - 2007.07.30 16:54:00 - [292] Originally by: ARC Harpy It's not going to happen, as said again and again. They are Brothers in and out. The are friends in an out, the god dam best fighting force in Eve. Man, they've recruited guy who was "scouting" in frigs at safespots, who was bringing 4-5 WCSs on a fleet sniper, and who was all-around useless. He's not doing any better now that he's in BoB either. BoB must be desperate, when they need such "brothers"
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.07.30 16:59:00 - [293] BoB is dying from within. Remember: you can't sustain your population with brothers only.
TrevorReznik Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.30 17:14:00 - [294] BoB+allies had 66- locked down with 2 titans, large bubbles on every gate. RSF broke in, then attacked a fully armed POS to knock down the cynojammer. By the end of the night BoB+allies had lost just as many BS and far more t2 ships than RSF had, despite holding positional advantage and successfully detonating a DD.
Flow Befort GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 17:17:00 - [295] Originally by: TrevorReznik BoB+allies had 66- locked down with 2 titans, large bubbles on every gate. RSF broke in, then attacked a fully armed POS to knock down the cynojammer. By the end of the night BoB+allies had lost just as many BS and far more t2 ships than RSF had, despite holding positional advantage and successfully detonating a DD. did you hear shrike got 260 killmails? 260
Haulinass Gettinpaid Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.07.30 17:23:00 - [296] Originally by: Flow Befort Originally by: TrevorReznik BoB+allies had 66- locked down with 2 titans, large bubbles on every gate. RSF broke in, then attacked a fully armed POS to knock down the cynojammer. By the end of the night BoB+allies had lost just as many BS and far more t2 ships than RSF had, despite holding positional advantage and successfully detonating a DD. did you hear shrike got 260 killmails? 260 And he only has 1 loss in this campaign as well! I'm pitching a tent just imagining his K/D ratio
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2007.07.30 17:53:00 - [297] patiently read all 2 parts of this series. should have put 'Why I think BoB is losing' instead. i'm still not convinced they are losing at all. some interesting speculation, i think.. but nothing to convince me from what I and my alts can tell. Please stop messing with my signature!!!
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.30 17:57:00 - [298] Originally by: Haulinass Gettinpaid did you hear shrike got 260 killmails? 260[/quote I'm pitching a tent just imagining his K/D ratio Well that is just charming lol.
Reapeat Offender DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 18:03:00 - [299] The actual results of what happened in 66 last night/this morning speak for themselves. Rather conclusive proof that the original poster was on the right track with his assessment of the current state of the war.
Kola XXX Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.30 18:23:00 - [300] Originally by: Nlewis Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: Kola XXX ...you paying attention in game right now ?? hehe i'm at work, so tell me: how many POSes did you kill? yes I would like an update as well for the at work crew .here is the update...alot of goons going back to empire to buy more t2 ships from us to fight us with. enjoy

TrevorReznik Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.07.30 18:27:00 - [301] Originally by: Kola XXX Originally by: Nlewis Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: Kola XXX ...you paying attention in game right now ?? hehe i'm at work, so tell me: how many POSes did you kill? yes I would like an update as well for the at work crew .here is the update...alot of goons going back to empire to buy more t2 ships from us to fight us with. enjoy I sure hope you have alts because your main sure hasn't been fighting goons lately.
Lee Bian Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 18:29:00 - [302] Originally by: TrevorReznik I sure hope you have alts because your main sure hasn't been fighting goons lately. yes he has on caod
Chairmen Mao	Posted - 2007.07.30 18:30:00 - [303] Originally by: TrevorReznik Originally by: Kola XXX Originally by: Nlewis Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: Kola XXX ...you paying attention in game right now ?? hehe i'm at work, so tell me: how many POSes did you kill? yes I would like an update as well for the at work crew .here is the update...alot of goons going back to empire to buy more t2 ships from us to fight us with. enjoy I sure hope you have alts because your main sure hasn't been fighting goons lately. you're right this is a cap ship char. I have lots of accounts...couple goon ones too o/ thx for the buisness
Kola XXX Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.30 18:32:00 - [304] Originally by: TrevorReznik Originally by: Kola XXX Originally by: Nlewis Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: Kola XXX ...you paying attention in game right now ?? hehe i'm at work, so tell me: how many POSes did you kill? yes I would like an update as well for the at work crew .here is the update...alot of goons going back to empire to buy more t2 ships from us to fight us with. enjoy I sure hope you have alts because your main sure hasn't been fighting goons lately. you're right this is a cap ship char. I have lots of accounts...couple goon ones too o/ thx for the buisness.ooops on caod
Nlewis GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 18:45:00 - [305] Originally by: Kola XXX Originally by: Nlewis Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: Kola XXX ...you paying attention in game right now ?? hehe i'm at work, so tell me: how many POSes did you kill? yes I would like an update as well for the at work crew .here is the update...alot of goons going back to empire to buy more t2 ships from us to fight us with. enjoy lol
Johnfromshipping Butcherbirds	Posted - 2007.07.30 18:54:00 - [306] Originally by: Kola XXX .here is the update...alot of goons going back to empire to buy more t2 ships from us to fight us with. enjoy What good is all the isk in the universe if it can't help your alliance to pop the enemy POSs or stop the enemy from popping your alliance POSs?
Sasha Evergreen Gallente Sand Castle Generals	Posted - 2007.07.30 19:07:00 - [307] Originally by: Chairmen Mao you're right this is a [bob] cap ship char. I have lots of accounts...couple goon ones too o/ thx for the buisness Making sure you can stay in the winning team eh? Not suprising from members of bob, they're full of members who joined the winning side after their own defeat.
Jacque Custeau Knights of the Minmatar Republic	Posted - 2007.07.30 19:25:00 - [308] Edited by: Jacque Custeau on 30/07/2007 19:28:28 James you make some good points, but it gets drowned in so much imagery. Would love to see a James vs Farjung debate on EvE-TV. Someone should make it happen. I like the way you analyzed the end game of goons vs that of BoB. Everyone in the GBC say that the goal of the Goons is to ruin the game for everyone. Thanks for setting the record straight, because in 4+ years of EvE play I was always concvinced that this is what Evolution was up to, not Goons. -------------------
James Grand Phoenix Navy Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.07.30 20:30:00 - [309] Originally by: James 315 And so the Goons fight for freedom of all You do realize that Goons have explicitly made it their official alliance policy to try to ruin EVE for other people in order to drive them away from the game, right? Yay Freedom Fighters! -------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed in my posts are entirely my own.
Gentle Glide Silent Scream	Posted - 2007.07.30 20:34:00 - [310] Owned. Come to Rancer.

Toffles GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 20:52:00 - [311] Originally by: James Grand Originally by: James 315 And so the Goons fight for freedom of all You do realize that Goons have explicitly made it their official alliance policy to try to ruin EVE for other people in order to drive them away from the game, right? Yay Freedom Fighters! This is pretty much a 100% accurate description of our alliance. We receive isk prizes for making people cancel their subscriptions, true story.
ForumPosterAlt HERRO KITTY	Posted - 2007.07.30 21:07:00 - [312] Originally by: James Grand Originally by: James 315 And so the Goons fight for freedom of all You do realize that Goons have explicitly made it their official alliance policy to try to ruin EVE for other people in order to drive them away from the game, right? Yay Freedom Fighters! YEAH I MEAN JUST LOOK AT THE SOUTHERN MAP SEE ALL THAT RED YEAH GOONSWARM WILL EASILY SWALLOW THAT UP AFTER THEY KICK BOB BACK TO DELVE SINGLEHANDEDLY All humor aside, that actually IS SirMolle's aspirations. Literally. And the only way that goons intend to be freedom fighters is to free their enemies from those damned annoyingly cramped ships and pods. James is wrong yes but so is the idea that goons are here to ruin eve. The only way that they are ruining eve is that they and their powerful allies are ruining bob's plan to conquer eve. EVE IS RUINED! Because posting on the forums is serious business.
Sionide Shadow Gypsies R i s e	Posted - 2007.07.30 21:09:00 - [313] Edited by: Sionide on 30/07/2007 21:11:26 James315 makes some interesting points on the subject of BoB vs Goons. Honestly, the whole situation with BoB seems to be relevant if ones puts in a feudal system analogy. BoB is the King and the pets are his vassels. BoB is strong on his own, but with his vassels at his command he owns the land. The King gains power and more vassels by conquering other lands and of course by winning. Like at the time of the Roman or Persian expansion many towns just joined the winning side rather than be totally conquered (or in the Assyrians case, conquered and then killed and posted on spikes outside the city walls). So yes, when the "big, bad, invincible" BoB comes knocking on your region's door you gladly say "yes sir, I will be under you and pay tribute/taxes to you." However, the King's power continues only when: A) he continues to be victorious B) has strength and leadership and loyality of his vassels. C) uses religion to state he should be the boss (i.e. divine right, which does not apply here) Now as in Part II, if many of the Bob's pets joined to be on the "winning" side and if Bob starts to lose badly, I can see pets revolting and refusing to stop paying taxes to Bob or to state that they are not Bob pets anymore. Again, we can relate to true history in many examples but perhaps relate best to the towns in the Palestine region during the Egyptian and Hittite expansions where towns would declare and revolt depending on who the greater power was at that moment. Thus, Bob would lose if A becomes false, since then B would eventually become false. It's an implosion really...and something that happens often to vastly expanding empires (like the Roman empire...during their last moments they were desparately trying to just keep their boarders where they were). As for the current situation, I am not an Eve-vetern, but looking at the situation politically Bob really can't afford to lose this war. If they pull back, their "invinciblity" shell will be broken, and perhaps other alliances will start taking pot shots at them, as well as having pets revolt or join RSF, etc. I am not going to go as far as James315 to say that Bob's strength is an illusion, since currently it is very real; but all great empires fall...it's just a matter of time. Nonetheless, it's fun to be a witness to it all.
Orebuster	Posted - 2007.07.30 21:59:00 - [314] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Here's what I replied to Stelbeck (in English this time): Didn't care when you wrote it in Frogtalk, care less now. The fact is that BoB want to take over all of 0.0 space, whether or not they can is irrelevant.
Sasha Evergreen Gallente Sand Castle Generals	Posted - 2007.07.30 22:00:00 - [315] Originally by: Sionide C) uses religion to state he should be the boss (i.e. divine right, which does not apply here) What do you think CAOD is? Religion is a sophisticated propaganda tool.
Bein Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.30 22:03:00 - [316] Band of Brothers' ultimate goal is to rule all of EVE. Redswarm Federation's ultimate goal is to destroy Band of Brothers. That just about sums it up.
Rialtor Amarr TANDBERG Initiative	Posted - 2007.07.30 22:06:00 - [317] I don't claim to know much about 0.0 warfare, but it seems to me that your analysis is somewhat flawed. I do enough reading in COAD to know that both parties not only are very persistent, but that they enjoy this war. All those BoB v Goon troll wars speak to that. They don't sound like people that are demoralized, both sides are infact fired up. Bob likes to kill Goons, Goons feel a great sense of accomplishment actually regaining lost space. So you can see how both sides can easily keep their optimism and morale, because they're each doing something that brings them entertainment. And how can you claim BoB is losing when you haven't stated what losing means? Do you mean losing as some absolute meter? Well, in that instance I don't think BoB is losing as their just fighting over ex-goon space. Now I would agree that there is a bit of a momentum shift, but will this shift be enough to move this absolute meter to a state where BoB is in fact losing? And is this momentum switch because of Goon superiority, or just because Bob is overstretched? All these are concerns which haven't really been addressed, and are fundamental to any arguement that contains the bold statement that BoB is losing the war. And if these posts are missing these fundamental underly arguements, I don't see how it can be viewed as anything more than just propaganda, made to demoralize people that are just having fun playing a game. And this is coming from someone that doesn't like Bob fundamentally cause they seem sort of elitist. And I surely don't want them to achieve their goal of taking 0.0 space. I think you're counting chickens before their hatched...there's a great number of outcomes that can occur. Personally I don't think it would be a great blow for BoB to concede that MC is needed in the front lines in the East. RSF is easily one of the greatest fighting forces Eve has ever seen in 0.0. Why would BoB not use all the resources and employ MC. Even if they could do it themselves at a snail's pace, it would be more efficient to mobilize MC to the East. It's no worse than Goons getting bailed out by their allies, namely RA.
HoKu Ziare Middle Finger Technology Red Moon Federation	Posted - 2007.07.31 00:30:00 - [318] Originally by: Haulinass Gettinpaid And he only has 1 loss in this campaign as well! I'm pitching a tent just imagining his K/D ratio I LoL'ed So hard. The things that make me stay saine at my job.
Dushka GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 00:52:00 - [319] Originally by: Rialtor I don't claim to know much about 0.0 warfare, but it seems to me that your analysis is somewhat flawed. I do enough reading in COAD to know that both parties not only are very persistent, but that they enjoy this war. All those BoB v Goon troll wars speak to that. They don't sound like people that are demoralized, both sides are infact fired up. Bob likes to kill Goons, Goons feel a great sense of accomplishment actually regaining lost space. So you can see how both sides can easily keep their optimism and morale, because they're each doing something that brings them entertainment. And how can you claim BoB is losing when you haven't stated what losing means? Do you mean losing as some absolute meter? Well, in that instance I don't think BoB is losing as their just fighting over ex-goon space. Now I would agree that there is a bit of a momentum shift, but will this shift be enough to move this absolute meter to a state where BoB is in fact losing? And is this momentum switch because of Goon superiority, or just because Bob is overstretched? All these are concerns which haven't really been addressed, and are fundamental to any arguement that contains the bold statement that BoB is losing the war. And if these posts are missing these fundamental underly arguements, I don't see how it can be viewed as anything more than just propaganda, made to demoralize people that are just having fun playing a game. And this is coming from someone that doesn't like Bob fundamentally cause they seem sort of elitist. And I surely don't want them to achieve their goal of taking 0.0 space. I think you're counting chickens before their hatched...there's a great number of outcomes that can occur. Personally I don't think it would be a great blow for BoB to concede that MC is needed in the front lines in the East. RSF is easily one of the greatest fighting forces Eve has ever seen in 0.0. Why would BoB not use all the resources and employ MC. Even if they could do it themselves at a snail's pace, it would be more efficient to mobilize MC to the East. It's no worse than Goons getting bailed out by their allies, namely RA. This is an excellent example of a good critical analysis. "Ur biased nub post wit ur main" is not.
Rhaegor Stormborn Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2007.07.31 00:56:00 - [320] Originally by: Rialtor I don't claim to know much about 0.0 warfare, but it seems to me that your analysis is somewhat flawed. I do enough reading in COAD to know that both parties not only are very persistent, but that they enjoy this war. All those BoB v Goon troll wars speak to that. They don't sound like people that are demoralized, both sides are infact fired up. Bob likes to kill Goons, Goons feel a great sense of accomplishment actually regaining lost space. So you can see how both sides can easily keep their optimism and morale, because they're each doing something that brings them entertainment. And how can you claim BoB is losing when you haven't stated what losing means? Do you mean losing as some absolute meter? Well, in that instance I don't think BoB is losing as their just fighting over ex-goon space. Now I would agree that there is a bit of a momentum shift, but will this shift be enough to move this absolute meter to a state where BoB is in fact losing? And is this momentum switch because of Goon superiority, or just because Bob is overstretched? All these are concerns which haven't really been addressed, and are fundamental to any arguement that contains the bold statement that BoB is losing the war. And if these posts are missing these fundamental underly arguements, I don't see how it can be viewed as anything more than just propaganda, made to demoralize people that are just having fun playing a game. And this is coming from someone that doesn't like Bob fundamentally cause they seem sort of elitist. And I surely don't want them to achieve their goal of taking 0.0 space. I think you're counting chickens before their hatched...there's a great number of outcomes that can occur. Personally I don't think it would be a great blow for BoB to concede that MC is needed in the front lines in the East. RSF is easily one of the greatest fighting forces Eve has ever seen in 0.0. Why would BoB not use all the resources and employ MC. Even if they could do it themselves at a snail's pace, it would be more efficient to mobilize MC to the East. It's no worse than Goons getting bailed out by their allies, namely RA. Great post. RISE Recruitment Thread

ArcticFox Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.07.31 01:15:00 - [321] Edited by: ArcticFox on 31/07/2007 01:15:32 For the entirety of this post I was waiting for the bulk of the post to be tied in at least some tenuous way to the title, but I just don't see it. Frankly, I think you should have gone with this instead: "Yuh-huh, BoB really is losing." -------------------------- There is no +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve.
The Kola Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.31 01:28:00 - [322] Originally by: Sasha Evergreen Originally by: Chairmen Mao you're right this is a [bob] cap ship char. I have lots of accounts...couple goon ones too o/ thx for the buisness Making sure you can stay in the winning team eh? Not suprising from members of bob, they're full of members who joined the winning side after their own defeat. it's been a long time in the making mate...nothin new..something about long term planning that I like...how about goons and pals ? . .. .. do you think there is no long term plan lol you guys are funny D2: There is a war? Last I saw outer space is always in a state of war.
ForumPosterAlt HERRO KITTY	Posted - 2007.07.31 01:32:00 - [323] Originally by: Sionide I am not going to go as far as James315 to say that Bob's strength is an illusion, since currently it is very real; but all great empires fall...it's just a matter of time. Nonetheless, it's fun to be a witness to it all. I like you, you aren't full of **. BoB can blow up ships just like everybody else can. BoB's secret weapon was intimidation, they talk big, belittle their opponent, and use propoganda to cause the weaker minds of their opponents to give up, crippling the enemy. Thats what James pointed out with ASCN. People like James are anything but intimidated by BoB. James HUNTS BoB. Thats why James kicks BoB's ass, hard. The southern coalition is not intimidated either, and that is why they can win, they didn't sell off their hope before they ever really lost. Thats why its important to keep up the COAD war as much as it is the in-game war. Let BoB know that their pilots playing online spaceship games aren't divinely blessed with superhuman gamer abilities, that their enemies are just as good if not better, that their enemies have the industrial backbone to keep bringing it, and bringing it, and bringing it, and that they are going to fight them, fully aware that they are fighting BoB, not back down, not run away, not be intimidated, that their "End-Game" is fighting BoB, not peacefully mining roids, but defeating BoB. So in a way its the beginning of a new eve where PvPers are through with kneeling before SirMolle. And really I am confused why all of BoB's pets are still defending BoB, BoB doesn't defend you, they just mooch off of you. How many billions of isk have the pets paid BoB? And they just waste it on overpriced modules that they lose in common fleet battles. BoB pets could defend themselves much better, and much cheaper, than if they were paying BoB. Open your damn eyes. You're paying BoB so that BoB doesn't destroy you. But they can't even defend "their space" that you're renting. And as for MC, I know that they are just part of BoB, fking roleplayers, but god only knows why they defend BoB for free when they'd have many more contract opportunities if they'd just accept purchase from any alliance that could afford them, rather than just who BoB says they can. Oh but BoB would take your stations. Fking cowards. Because posting on the forums is serious business.**
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 01:33:00 - [324] OH MY GOD THERE ARE BOB SPIES IN MY ALLIANCE SOMEONE GET A TORCH AND A HEAVY ROCK ITS WITCH SEASON
Cringeley GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 01:35:00 - [325] Originally by: Kola XXX .here is the update...alot of goons going back to empire to buy more t2 ships from us to fight us with. enjoy This assertion is pure invention.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.31 01:43:00 - [326] Originally by: Orebuster Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Here's what I replied to Stelbeck (in English this time): Didn't care when you wrote it in Frogtalk, care less now. I'm sure TCF are enjoying your slurring of their mother tongue. Idiot.
The Kola Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.31 01:43:00 - [327] Originally by: Cringeley Originally by: Kola XXX .here is the update...alot of goons going back to empire to buy more t2 ships from us to fight us with. enjoy This assertion is pure invention. ...yeah ok lol... I think you know better than that.look at you're transactions tab more often. I am doing good buisness. D2: There is a war? Last I saw outer space is always in a state of war.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.31 01:58:00 - [328] Mr ForumPosterAlt, I'm going to answer some of your questions. You may not believe, and probably will not believe, what I will tell you, but you have my word that I am being truthful. Originally by: ForumPosterAlt And really I am confused why all of BoB's pets are still defending BoB, BoB doesn't defend you, That is untrue. BoB is always willing to give a hand when they can. No only that, but they will assist on important ops, such as outpost deployments. Originally by: ForumPosterAlt they just mooch off of you. How many billions of isk have the pets paid BoB? Not all members of the GBC pay rent. And even then, 6B a month (the standard rate, I believe, though I am uncertain of this) is a joke, on an alliance level. Originally by: ForumPosterAlt And they just waste it on overpriced modules that they lose in common fleet battles. More likely, the rent is used to fuel the hundreds of POSes BoB uses. Originally by: ForumPosterAlt BoB pets could defend themselves much better, and much cheaper, than if they were paying BoB. That is also untrue. 6B a month is nothing to get the backing of one of the best and most powerful alliances in game. Originally by: ForumPosterAlt Open your damn eyes. You're paying BoB so that BoB doesn't destroy you. But they can't even defend "their space" that you're renting. As explained above, that is not what rent buys you. Any member of the GBC could simply pack up and head to the Drone regions to be "free", or, barring that, could've pulled an Intrepid Crossing, and switched sides at the beginning of the war.
Bu Jinkan Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:00:00 - [329] Originally by: Cringeley Originally by: Kola XXX .here is the update...alot of goons going back to empire to buy more t2 ships from us to fight us with. enjoy This assertion is pure invention. For one thing, Goons are not allowed to fly t2.
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:04:00 - [330] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Mr ForumPosterAlt, I'm going to answer some of your questions. You may not believe, and probably will not believe, what I will tell you, but you have my word that I am being truthful. Originally by: ForumPosterAlt And really I am confused why all of BoB's pets are still defending BoB, BoB doesn't defend you, That is untrue. BoB is always willing to give a hand when they can. No only that, but they will assist on important ops, such as outpost deployments. XELAS, GONAD

Martin VanBuren GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:06:00 - [331] Edited by: Martin VanBuren on 31/07/2007 02:07:18 Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Mr ForumPosterAlt, I'm going to answer some of your questions. You may not believe, and probably will not believe, what I will tell you, but you have my word that I am being truthful. Originally by: ForumPosterAlt And really I am confused why all of BoB's pets are still defending BoB, BoB doesn't defend you, That is untrue. BoB is always willing to give a hand when they can. No only that, but they will assist on important ops, such as outpost deployments. XELAS, GONAD Naw dude those alliances were bad unlike ISS / RISE / Digital Renegades / TSC they'll never get kicked out their relationship with BoB is different
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:08:00 - [332] Originally by: Alias11 XELAS, GONAD I was wondering how long it would take before someone brought that up. In the case of Xelas, I believe that it was fair compensation for the time that alliance got to enjoy one of the best regions for free. An outpost is what? 30B? That's 5 months' rent, and Xelas was in Fountain for longer than that, IIRC. As for GONAD, I am not familiar with what happened. All I know is that they were there one day, and pretty much gone the next. Care to enlighten me?
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:10:00 - [333] Originally by: Martin VanBuren Naw dude those alliances were bad unlike ISS / RISE / Digital Renegades / TSC they'll never get kicked out their relationship with BoB is different It is possibly that BoB could decide they want us out someday, but that could come tomorrow, or never, so in the meantime, might as well enjoy the ride.
Martin VanBuren GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:13:00 - [334] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Martin VanBuren Naw dude those alliances were bad unlike ISS / RISE / Digital Renegades / TSC they'll never get kicked out their relationship with BoB is different It is possibly that BoB could decide they want us out someday, but that could come tomorrow, or never, so in the meantime, might as well enjoy the ride. It's just amusing how fanatically you all defend people who will set you red as soon as you fail to make rent or they become dissatisfied with the number of hostiles in your space.
Bippa	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:24:00 - [335] Edited by: Bippa on 31/07/2007 02:25:07 Edited by: Bippa on 31/07/2007 02:24:17 Originally by: The Kola Originally by: Cringeley ...yeah ok lol... I think you know better than that.look at you're transactions tab more often. I am doing good buisness. It is going to suck to be nice and rich and stuck in empire soon. Edit: Or building ships for GS or allies, because we both know you have zero loyalty to your corp/alliance.
Lonectzn Pelennor Swarm R i s e	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:26:00 - [336] The really interesting thing about the argument the OP has made, and that of most people who have claimed "game over for coalition/goons/RA/etc" in the past is the neglect of the issue of geography. Everyone seems to assume that it doesn't play a part. I always saw the war as falling inevitably into a stalemate. There's some contestable areas, however there's never been any evidence that either side (either, since I never considered the north a threat) has the reach to convincingly fight so far from home. BoB once had a chance, but was distracted by the north in fountain temporarily and the opportunity was lost. Now I don't see anyone with the ability or desire to reach. Only the breaking down of one side or the other could resolve this. Unless GS have a 100bil in donors still up their sleeve they will never be able to fund an offensive pos war. In a best case situation the new alliances brought in take feyth but it would stop there. RA have not at all shown territorial interest, and are not about to start. If you really only look at facts, very little of note has happened. GS are still in the process of retaking lost space after bob's offensive. This hardly constitutes a severe loss. Were I bob, I would continue the pos war on GS. Keep the pressure on and keep a clamp on GS's financial growth, resisting the desire to 'pull back and rebuild'. BoB will hurt from it but I think that will win them the stalemate. It's a pricewar. I've not seen any show of force to convincingly take this war further. There's many many stations to go and absolutely no evidence of desire or ability to move. ----------------- Sig mod-whacked =/ Have had that signature for well over two years. 26,736 bytes. R.I.P Garfield.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:33:00 - [337] Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 31/07/2007 02:33:06 Originally by: Martin VanBuren It's just amusing how fanatically you all defend people who will set you red as soon as you fail to make rent or they become dissatisfied with the number of hostiles in your space. That which you call "fanatism" stems from having had nothing but good experiences working alongside BoB. All we ever get from the other side is endless smack... why should we switch sides again?
Kayl Breinhar Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:41:00 - [338] Edited by: Kayl Breinhar on 31/07/2007 02:41:44 Originally by: Bippa Edited by: Bippa on 31/07/2007 02:25:07 Edited by: Bippa on 31/07/2007 02:24:17 Originally by: The Kola Originally by: Cringeley ...yeah ok lol... I think you know better than that.look at you're transactions tab more often. I am doing good buisness. It is going to suck to be nice and rich and stuck in empire soon. Edit: Or building ships for GS or allies, because we both know you have zero loyalty to your corp/alliance. 99 billion in each BoB members wallet but theyre still losing 77 BoB T2 BPOs that are being used against them
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:53:00 - [339] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Alias11 XELAS, GONAD I was wondering how long it would take before someone brought that up. In the case of Xelas, I believe that it was fair compensation for the time that alliance got to enjoy one of the best regions for free. An outpost is what? 30B? That's 5 months' rent, and Xelas was in Fountain for longer than that, IIRC. As for GONAD, I am not familiar with what happened. All I know is that they were there one day, and pretty much gone the next. Care to enlighten me? GONAD got griefed right back to empire. XELAS was living in fountain, a region that you can't really get kicked out of because of the npc stations
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:53:00 - [340] Originally by: The Kola Originally by: Cringeley Originally by: Kola XXX .here is the update...alot of goons going back to empire to buy more t2 ships from us to fight us with. enjoy This assertion is pure invention. ...yeah ok lol... I think you know better than that.look at you're transactions tab more often. I am doing good buisness. On that same note what's it like getting your ass kicked with your own guns?

Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.31 02:57:00 - [341] Originally by: Alias11 GONAD got griefed right back to empire. XELAS was living in fountain, a region that you can't really get kicked out of because of the npc stations 1) When you say "griefed back to empire", what do you refer to? Just roaming gank squads or something else? 2) From all accounts, Xelas wasn't exactly fairing too well when BoB pulled that plug, so to speak. So I'm not personnaly surprised that they chose to leave instead of stay.
ForumPosterAlt HERRO KITTY	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:49:00 - [342] Edited by: ForumPosterAlt on 31/07/2007 03:51:03 Funny thing is that Xelas could have had fountain if they just stayed. But they have weak minds and fell for propaganda, BoB doesn't have the capacity to defend fountain from an invasion atm. A serious PvP corp could literally just stroll in and reinforce every POS in the entire constellation. Because posting on the forums is serious business.
Goonswarmalwayslose	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:50:00 - [343] Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Post with your main. Post with your brain.
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:52:00 - [344] Originally by: ForumPosterAlt Funny thing is that Xelas could have had fountain if they just stayed. But they have weak minds and fell for propaganda, BoB doesn't have the capacity to defend fountain atm. Xelas wouldn't have held fountain, Exuro, Corelli, Hun Reloaded, War-Infinity, Gunboat Diplomacy etc all live in fountain as well, not just xelas. But thanks for guessing about an area of space you didn't have an alt in, nor I'm guessing monitored during Xelas' lifetime in fountain. Fallen Angel's Recruitment
Factor Benz GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 03:58:00 - [345] Originally by: Proxay Originally by: ForumPosterAlt Funny thing is that Xelas could have had fountain if they just stayed. But they have weak minds and fell for propaganda, BoB doesn't have the capacity to defend fountain atm. Xelas wouldn't have held fountain, Exuro, Corelli, Hun Reloaded, War-Infinity, Gunboat Diplomacy etc all live in fountain as well, not just xelas. But thanks for guessing about an area of space you didn't have an alt in, nor I'm guessing monitored during Xelas' lifetime in fountain. Who?
Bishop Endarr Minmatar Unitas Nusquam Est FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2007.07.31 04:05:00 - [346] As a resident of what I would call a backwater 0.0 area, I don't feel or see the BoB/anti-BoB war, biased as this may be, it is an interesting read, well written. ------------------------------------------------- Highjacking my own sig, cause no one else will - B
The Kola Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.31 04:18:00 - [347] Originally by: Bippa Edited by: Bippa on 31/07/2007 02:25:07 Edited by: Bippa on 31/07/2007 02:24:17 Originally by: The Kola Originally by: Cringeley ...yeah ok lol... I think you know better than that.look at you're transactions tab more often. I am doing good buisness. It is going to suck to be nice and rich and stuck in empire soon. Edit: Or building ships for GS or allies, because we both know you have zero loyalty to your corp/alliance. ...well....time will tell...again..history will repeat itself...ASCN had the big attack on tpar and crap....oh nose bob is losing hehe...you're a bigger alliance, you get a bigger bite, but thats it rest assured. And cuz you're a nubbin who pretends to know me I'll tell you some facts. I have been working with the same teams of players for years prior to EVE in games like mankind,planetside and so on. I know my corp mates on a personal friendship level...so you're loyaly statement is err... moot. oh you edited 2x for a 2 line sentance....take a long time to think up that crap alty Mcalt ? D2: There is a war? Last I saw outer space is always in a state of war.
Martin VanBuren GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 04:21:00 - [348] Originally by: The Kola Originally by: Bippa Edited by: Bippa on 31/07/2007 02:25:07 Edited by: Bippa on 31/07/2007 02:24:17 Originally by: The Kola Originally by: Cringeley ...yeah ok lol... I think you know better than that.look at you're transactions tab more often. I am doing good buisness. It is going to suck to be nice and rich and stuck in empire soon. Edit: Or building ships for GS or allies, because we both know you have zero loyalty to your corp/alliance. ...well....time will tell...again..history will repeat itself...ASCN had the big attack on tpar and crap....oh nose bob is losing hehe...you're a bigger alliance, you get a bigger bite, but thats it rest assured. And cuz you're a nubbin who pretends to know me I'll tell you some facts. I have been working with the same teams of players for years prior to EVE in games like mankind,planetside and so on. I know my corp mates on a personal friendship level...so you're loyaly statement is err... moot. oh you edited 2x for a 2 line sentance....take a long time to think up that crap alty Mcalt ? Gentlemen, behold! This is one of the folk you pay rent to.
Khorian Gallente Excidium.	Posted - 2007.07.31 04:23:00 - [349] To the people that don't understand the bob-Renter relationship. It is nothing more than an expanded member-corp-alliance relationship. Here, I painted a picture for you. Always glad to educate people.
Factor Benz GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 04:25:00 - [350] Originally by: The Kola Originally by: Bippa Edited by: Bippa on 31/07/2007 02:25:07 Edited by: Bippa on 31/07/2007 02:24:17 Originally by: The Kola Originally by: Cringeley ...yeah ok lol... I think you know better than that.look at you're transactions tab more often. I am doing good buisness. It is going to suck to be nice and rich and stuck in empire soon. Edit: Or building ships for GS or allies, because we both know you have zero loyalty to your corp/alliance. ...well....time will tell...again..history will repeat itself...ASCN had the big attack on tpar and crap....oh nose bob is losing hehe...you're a bigger alliance, you get a bigger bite, but thats it rest assured. And cuz you're a nubbin who pretends to know me I'll tell you some facts. I have been working with the same teams of players for years prior to EVE in games like mankind,planetside and so on. I know my corp mates on a personal friendship level...so you're loyaly statement is err... moot. oh you edited 2x for a 2 line sentance....take a long time to think up that crap alty Mcalt ? Do you know them in the biblical sense? There were some cuties at that BBQ I hear.

Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.07.31 04:30:00 - [351] Originally by: Martin VanBuren Gentlemen, behold! This is one of the folk you pay rent to. Brilliant post compared to this gem from one of your corpmates: Originally by: Etien Aldragoran More like, you're a mental incompetent, and given the other DR morons I've run into it seems like you've gravitated to your peers in the world of the feeble minded. Ergo, making an assumption, based off first impressions, which is more than enough for me, your whole alliance is composed of the braindead, and vegetables barely able to roll their wheelchair over to the computer and type out some idiotic dribble on forums, while saliva drools down their chin and they **** themselves, because they're too goddamned stupid to ask for help going to the bathroom.
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 05:00:00 - [352] Originally by: The Kola Originally by: Bippa Edited by: Bippa on 31/07/2007 02:25:07 Edited by: Bippa on 31/07/2007 02:24:17 Originally by: The Kola Originally by: Cringeley ...yeah ok lol... I think you know better than that.look at you're transactions tab more often. I am doing good buisness. It is going to suck to be nice and rich and stuck in empire soon. Edit: Or building ships for GS or allies, because we both know you have zero loyalty to your corp/alliance. ...well....time will tell...again..history will repeat itself...ASCN had the big attack on tpar and crap....oh nose bob is losing hehe...you're a bigger alliance, you get a bigger bite, but thats it rest assured. And cuz you're a nubbin who pretends to know me I'll tell you some facts. I have been working with the same teams of players for years prior to EVE in games like mankind,planetside and so on. I know my corp mates on a personal friendship level...so you're loyaly statement is err... moot. oh you edited 2x for a 2 line sentance....take a long time to think up that crap alty Mcalt ? Were you the mining and gruntwork ***** who couldn't cut it in the real fights so you got sent to the remedial corp because no one had the heart to tell you that you just can't play baseball as a quadriplegic in those games, too?
The Kola Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.31 06:17:00 - [353] Edited by: The Kola on 31/07/2007 06:21:12 Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: The Kola Originally by: Bippa Edited by: Bippa on 31/07/2007 02:25:07 Edited by: Bippa on 31/07/2007 02:24:17 Originally by: The Kola Originally by: Cringeley ...yeah ok lol... I think you know better than that.look at you're transactions tab more often. I am doing good buisness. It is going to suck to be nice and rich and stuck in empire soon. Edit: Or building ships for GS or allies, because we both know you have zero loyalty to your corp/alliance. ...well....time will tell...again..history will repeat itself...ASCN had the big attack on tpar and crap....oh nose bob is losing hehe...you're a bigger alliance, you get a bigger bite, but thats it rest assured. And cuz you're a nubbin who pretends to know me I'll tell you some facts. I have been working with the same teams of players for years prior to EVE in games like mankind,planetside and so on. I know my corp mates on a personal friendship level...so you're loyaly statement is err... moot. oh you edited 2x for a 2 line sentance....take a long time to think up that crap alty Mcalt ? Were you the mining and gruntwork ***** who couldn't cut it in the real fights so you got sent to the remedial corp because no one had the heart to tell you that you just can't play baseball as a quadriplegic in those games, too? ??? I don't get you're run on sentance. I am in gf. I fly with you daily bud :) edit: I'm done here, wouldn't want to derail such a fine thread after so much imagination has been put into it. See you in space as red and blue for now :) D2: There is a war? Last I saw outer space is always in a state of war.
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 06:19:00 - [354] Originally by: The Kola ??? I don't get you're run on sentance. I am in gf. I fly with you daily bud :) a) It wasn't a run-on b) Your third statement pretty much proves you are the worst spy in goonfleet
The Kola Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.31 06:25:00 - [355] Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: The Kola ??? I don't get you're run on sentance. I am in gf. I fly with you daily bud :) a) It wasn't a run-on b) Your third statement pretty much proves you are the worst spy in goonfleet ok. . .seems you're hitting refresh every 5 seconds waiting for me to post....well you're drooling can stop now. no more from me. I have goons to kill...yep I'm the worst...see you :)) D2: There is a war? Last I saw outer space is always in a state of war.
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 06:38:00 - [356] Originally by: The Kola Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: The Kola ??? I don't get you're run on sentance. I am in gf. I fly with you daily bud :) a) It wasn't a run-on b) Your third statement pretty much proves you are the worst spy in goonfleet ok. . .seems you're hitting refresh every 5 seconds waiting for me to post....well you're drooling can stop now. no more from me. I have goons to kill...yep I'm the worst...see you :)) Actually I just happened to get lucky with that one and just felt like pointing out that you're the worst spy in goonfleet, and that's counting mazzilu and vando as one person You should probably take some writing lessons about how to use ellipses
Brmble Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 07:18:00 - [357] Originally by: Alias11 you're the worst spy in goonfleet, and that's counting mazzilu and vando as one person :superslam: ~ no not believin in urself ~
The Kola Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.31 07:43:00 - [358] Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: The Kola Originally by: Alias11 Originally by: The Kola ??? I don't get you're run on sentance. I am in gf. I fly with you daily bud :) a) It wasn't a run-on b) Your third statement pretty much proves you are the worst spy in goonfleet ok. . .seems you're hitting refresh every 5 seconds waiting for me to post....well you're drooling can stop now. no more from me. I have goons to kill...yep I'm the worst...see you :)) Actually I just happened to get lucky with that one and just felt like pointing out that you're the worst spy in goonfleet, and that's counting mazzilu and vando as one person You should probably take some writing lessons about how to use ellipses being the master of deduction that you are, maybe you would know who I was if I typed more eloquently.. so no yougettextblobknonsense...maybe i'm the best spy hehe for how long I have held out?I better do something worthwhile right..long term plans....remember that mate and see you in space. D2: There is a war? Last I saw outer space is always in a state of war.
Crivens GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 07:48:00 - [359] Originally by: The Kola .maybe i'm the best spy hehe for how long I have held out?I better do something worthwhile right..long term plans....remember that mate and see you in space. You probably are the best spy. As a highly qualified mmporg director I can sincerely say that the BoB intelligence network is somewhere between primitive and laughable. It's cute when you're proud of it.
Crivens GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 07:50:00 - [360] Originally by: The Kola being the master of deduction that you are, maybe you would know who I was if I typed more eloquently.. If hope you use English correctly or are very good at keeping your mouth shut. Anyone who types like you have done in this thread should be reported for being a spy immediately. You ooze pubbie...m8

Kadriel The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.07.31 09:24:00 - [361] Nice read, I agree its a hypothesis. Well written too, I'm not sure of all the facts he mentioned, but I'm well aware of the arse-whoopin that fix is gettin FIX, when you fight, I enjoy the crap outta it. Keep it coming.
Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.07.31 09:33:00 - [362] Well jamie there made a really nice post, some good points were made, and looks like the bobbie crew is regressing back to puberty judging by their replys. Btw, BoB as a shload of isk just from pets rents, so keep shooting them and pressing the pets, one side as to break. _______________________ Originally by:** Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.
umop 3pisdn Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.07.31 09:44:00 - [363] I like your posts james but you are so, so wrong about D2 DB was spot on about them, in my eyes they failed the coalition misserably.
The Kola Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.31 10:07:00 - [364] blah blah forum guy crivens....fact is I'm gonna kick you're ass . .. .in eve... :) D2: There is a war? Last I saw outer space is always in a state of war.
Crivens GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 10:54:00 - [365] Originally by: The Kola blah blah forum guy crivens....fact is I'm gonna kick you're ass . .. .in eve... :) Lets be honest. What you're really going to do is sit in your gangs with your steadily dwindling participation talking about how much you hate t1 frigs and lag whilst you ask molle when he's going to doomsday again. Or when he's going to post the killmails from his doomsday. Did molle use doomsday yet? You're a one trick pony. And you're played out.
Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.07.31 11:09:00 - [366] Originally by: Dionisius Well jamie there made a really nice post, some good points were made, and looks like the bobbie crew is regressing back to puberty judging by their replys. Btw, BoB as a shload of isk just from pets rents, so keep shooting them and pressing the pets, one side as to break. Oh they did?And were where you while they invaded Fountain and were raiding bob and pets along with MiHi and Horde? Lemme see... oh you missed those ocorrences because you were stuck in the toilet of some long distant station on the other side of the galaxy... _______________________ Originally by:** Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.
Tetsujin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 11:16:00 - [367] Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Dionisius Well jamie there made a really nice post, some good points were made, and looks like the bobbie crew is regressing back to puberty judging by their replys. Btw, BoB as a sh**load of isk just from pets rents, so keep shooting them and pressing the pets, one side as to break. Oh they did?And were where you while they invaded Fountain and were raiding bob and pets along with MiHi and Horde? Lemme see... oh you missed those ocorrences because you were stuck in the toilet of some long distant station on the other side of the galaxy... are you arguing with yourself?
Cringeley GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 11:39:00 - [368] Originally by: The Kola blah blah forum guy crivens....fact is I'm gonna kick you're ass . .. .in eve... :) Please, can you stop the noise? I'm trying to get some rest.
Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.07.31 12:52:00 - [369] Edited by: Dionisius on 31/07/2007 12:53:12 Originally by: Tetsujin Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Dionisius Well jamie there made a really nice post, some good points were made, and looks like the bobbie crew is regressing back to puberty judging by their replys. Btw, BoB as a shload of isk just from pets rents, so keep shooting them and pressing the pets, one side as to break. Oh they did?And were where you while they invaded Fountain and were raiding bob and pets along with MiHi and Horde? Lemme see... oh you missed those ocorrences because you were stuck in the toilet of some long distant station on the other side of the galaxy... are you arguing with yourself? NOTE TO SELF: Looking at the monitor while writing actually works. ( was looking at a co-workers ass. ) EDIT: A female just for clearing stuff. _______________________ Originally by:** Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.
Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.07.31 12:53:00 - [370] Originally by: umop 3pisdn I like your posts james but you are so, so wrong about D2 DB was spot on about them, in my eyes they failed the coalition misserably. Oh they did?And were where you while they invaded Fountain and were raiding bob and pets along with MiHi and Horde? Lemme see... oh you missed those ocorrences because you were stuck in the toilet of some long distant station on the other side of the galaxy... _______________________ Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.

Angor The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 13:25:00 - [371] This post is funny... i mean everytime I read anything from you it just screams out "i am a goon alt". But as for your post, ok we get it you hate bob and everybody hates bob and they all want bob to die and see it coming all that propiganda crap. But alot of the stuff you've meantioned in your post is, if bob is defeated, and goons become the new "bob" that everybody hates. What is going to happen to all these great pvp'ers that will come from bob. Its all swings and round-abouts, I know bob cant last forever, i doubt any alliance could continue to evolve and stay ahead of ccp's changes forever, god knows bob have done a good job staying top thus far but even if they do get defeated. Can you imagine any of them joining goons? Most of the eve community already hate goonswarm the same if not more than bob it'll only be a matter of time before some other multi-coalition made up of alot of ex-bob members will eventually take goons out. _______________________________ Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo
Silvestri Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.07.31 13:35:00 - [372] Originally by: Tetsujin Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Dionisius Well jamie there made a really nice post, some good points were made, and looks like the bobbie crew is regressing back to puberty judging by their replys. Btw, BoB as a sh**load of isk just from pets rents, so keep shooting them and pressing the pets, one side as to break. Oh they did?And were where you while they invaded Fountain and were raiding bob and pets along with MiHi and Horde? Lemme see... oh you missed those ocorrences because you were stuck in the toilet of some long distant station on the other side of the galaxy... are you arguing with yourself? Tetsujin wins this thread!!! lmao!! Funny how that bob kola guy is like...no more posts from me...drool away...then keeps replying too....
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 13:38:00 - [373] Originally by: Angor This post is funny... i mean everytime I read anything from you it just screams out "i am a goon alt". But as for your post, ok we get it you hate bob and everybody hates bob and they all want bob to die and see it coming all that propiganda crap. But alot of the stuff you've meantioned in your post is, if bob is defeated, and goons become the new "bob" that everybody hates. What is going to happen to all these great pvp'ers that will come from bob. Same thing that always happens in that situation; Charismatic personalities go "screw this" and leave, taking as many people with them as they can into their splinter, which is maybe 20, who then go and make their little splinter corp and amount to near nothing. Quote: Its all swings and round-abouts, I know bob cant last forever, i doubt any alliance could continue to evolve and stay ahead of ccp's changes forever, god knows bob have done a good job staying top thus far but even if they do get defeated. Can you imagine any of them joining goons? Most of the eve community already hate goonswarm the same if not more than bob it'll only be a matter of time before some other multi-coalition made up of alot of ex-bob members will eventually take goons out. We'll explode in a dramacaust way before anyone gets the chance to kills us
Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.07.31 13:47:00 - [374] Originally by: Silvestri Originally by: Tetsujin Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Dionisius Well jamie there made a really nice post, some good points were made, and looks like the bobbie crew is regressing back to puberty judging by their replys. Btw, BoB as a shload of isk just from pets rents, so keep shooting them and pressing the pets, one side as to break. Oh they did?And were where you while they invaded Fountain and were raiding bob and pets along with MiHi and Horde? Lemme see... oh you missed those ocorrences because you were stuck in the toilet of some long distant station on the other side of the galaxy... are you arguing with yourself? Tetsujin wins this thread!!! lmao!! Funny how that bob kola guy is like...no more posts from me...drool away...then keeps replying too.... And what about me??? _______________________ Originally by:** Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 17:13:00 - [375] Alliances lose when they have no internal loyalty and individual members/corps believe they can have better fun elsewhere? BRILLIANT! --- Grismar.net
James 315 Yet Another CAOD-Inspired 1-Man Alt Corp	Posted - 2007.07.31 18:17:00 - [376] There is a little confusion about the inspirational "Goons fight for freedom" thing. In keeping with the rest of the paragraph, I am talking about effects, not intent. By dismantling the BoB empire, Eve becomes a multipolar maelstrom of chaos, opening a lot more opportunities for people (especially new players) who want to do something other than serve as a slave for the BoB Old Boys' network. Originally by: Bein Glorious Originally by: Psilocin AHEM: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/james315/killbobby.avi sonic the hedgehog music jesus christ what a nerd While I am sure there are some nerds among the Eve community, I am not one of them. Would a nerd spend time talking about his girlfriend on an internet spaceship forum or engage in kickboxing (that most exotic and competitive of the athletic pursuits)? Doubtful. Occam's Razor says I am cool, very cool. As for the music, it was chosen because only Sonic had sufficient pathos to get my point across. Moreover, it was from Sonic 3, which is an allegory for the current Eve crisis. (Once you realize Knuckles is Kugutsumen, everything else falls into place.) -315 ----------------------------------------------- The views expressed in my posts are my own. They do not necessarily reflect the views of my corporation.
Anferney Ethereal Mercenary Services FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 19:00:00 - [377] Originally by: James 315 Would a nerd spend time talking about his girlfriend on an internet spaceship forum or engage in kickboxing (that most exotic and competitive of the athletic pursuits)? Ermm...from my observations, yes, they would. Anyways, nice set of posts. There is indeed a lack of in-depth counter arguments, but I don't really expect such from people playing an internet space ship game. Why formulate very nice and articulate arguments when you can watch pretty spaceships explode in pretty fireballs? So, I find your arguments plausible and if the other side would care to present an articulate, carefully thought out scenario as you have, I would probably find it plausable also. I just don't believe it. There is not much in the way of evidence that what either side is saying is true. I will fight for my side and whatever happens will happen. I am sure that fun will be had either way. Here it is. Isn't it unique?
James Grand Phoenix Navy Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.07.31 19:05:00 - [378] Edited by: James Grand on 31/07/2007 19:06:20 Originally by: James 315 There is a little confusion about the inspirational "Goons fight for freedom" thing. In keeping with the rest of the paragraph, I am talking about effects, not intent. By dismantling the BoB empire, Eve becomes a multipolar maelstrom of chaos, opening a lot more opportunities for people (especially new players) who want to do something other than serve as a slave for the BoB Old Boys' network. Originally by: Bein Glorious Originally by: Psilocin AHEM: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/james315/killbobby.avi sonic the hedgehog music jesus christ what a nerd While I am sure there are some nerds among the Eve community, I am not one of them. Would a nerd spend time talking about his girlfriend on an internet spaceship forum I think the answer to that question is "Yes, most definitely." Edit: Also, would anyone but a nerd spend many hours writing up an in-depth analysis of an internet spaceship game? But then, you were being sarcastic, weren't you? -------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed in my posts are entirely my own.
Mr Broker Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.07.31 19:16:00 - [379] Hello 21st century, nerd is the new cool. Not usprising to see people without debating skills resort to personal attacks.
Anferney Ethereal Mercenary Services FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 19:19:00 - [380] Originally by: Mr Broker Hello 21st century, nerd is the new cool. Not usprising to see people without debating skills resort to personal attacks. But personal attacks are so much fun They are an easy, quick way to at least tarnish a well thought out argument wihtout having to come up with your own well thought out argument. Here it is. Isn't it unique?

rycar Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.07.31 19:39:00 - [381] It's refreshing to see an unbiased assessment of the situation. Keep up the good work James 315!
Rennard Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2007.07.31 22:52:00 - [382] Not bad, keep the text walls coming.
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.07.31 23:03:00 - [383] James 315 find a girl or boy and have sex asap.
Starfall Hammer	Posted - 2007.07.31 23:49:00 - [384] Originally by: Murina James 315 find a girl or boy and have sex asap. How many more of these fanboi posts do you need to make before bob finally accept your application?
Aduna Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.01 02:16:00 - [385] Originally by: James 315 Goon logistics may have the most efficient manner of griefing BoB that there is: every Goon tower in a BoB system is a punch in BoB's stomach and a middle finger to the Dianabolic crew. my man, thank you for the wonderful sig material :D Originally by: James 315 Goon logistics may have the most efficient manner of griefing BoB that there is:every Goon tower in a BoB system is a punch in BoB's stomach and a middle finger to Dianabolic's crew
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 04:14:00 - [386] Too close for logic. Time to switch to name-calling. Meany poo-head! --- Grismar.net
xenobite 666 Winds of Dawn	Posted - 2007.08.01 09:09:00 - [387] I am Xenobite 666 and am a fan of YACAODI1MAC :D:D:D:D:D =====Only Death Is Eternal===== Trade feedback Linkage
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 10:44:00 - [388] Originally by: Starfall Hammer Originally by: Murina James 315 find a girl or boy and have sex asap. How many more of these fanboi posts do you need to make before bob finally accept your application? Im not a fan of BOB i just admire skill.
Eurydyke	Posted - 2007.08.01 10:48:00 - [389] Originally by: Murina Im not a fan of BOB i just admire skill. I see, thats why you joined Fatal, right?
TheDevilsJury GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.01 11:28:00 - [390] Edited by: TheDevilsJury on 01/08/2007 11:29:15 Well this is probably the most well-informed of your rants so far, although in my opinion that's not saying much. Either you've gained some decent sources or you're a lot better at sifting through the bull**** in COAD than most people give you credit for. Its also somewhat more relavent; ranting about ASCN's defeat or BoB's recruitment tactics and communication with your girlfriend really isn't insightful about the current strategic situation. I don't think the fundamentals of what you're saying in part 3 are wrong. Certainly, in Eve wars are won by getting the enemy players to give up. Running back to empire, jumping ship, or "failure cascade" as we call it. But this goes for all alliances, not just BoB, neither do I think there's a reason why BoB are more susceptible, even if you argue that they expect victory in all that they do. An alliance simply reaches a breaking point where they no longer have the isk (or ships), stations, or morale to continue fighting. Numbers themselves don't matter, as they are only depleted when the players give up. I wish I could predict when this point will be reached, but it will be a long war.

Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.01 11:37:00 - [391] Edited by: Murina on 01/08/2007 11:39:20 Originally by: Eurydyke Originally by: Murina Im not a fan of BOB i just admire skill. I see, thats why you joined Fatal, right? Find me another alliance that held a system for 2.5 weeks with no dread fleet and out numbered 30to40-1 and when we did eventualy fall got paid 22bil for the systems outpost by the enemy so we would'nt come back for 3 months. SO YES! Oh and because of this i do not hide my corp or alliance ticker or post with a alt like some do. Where were you from again?.
Eta Carinea SADISTIC INTENT	Posted - 2007.08.01 12:11:00 - [392] Just like to say an interesting read, well done for posting it all, It could with a few more facts and numbers thrown in stand up as an academic work. (Not masterpiece ) The trouble is the work is ultimately based on a whole host of assumptions logically drawn out accepted but none the less they are assumptions. There are a bunch of things that could happen both in game and in RL that could throw the whole series of articles wide open and inaccurate. Still i take nothing away from the articles they were interesting.
Jaysc	Posted - 2007.08.01 15:40:00 - [393] Edited by: Jaysc on 01/08/2007 15:40:44 so then why does BoB think that they're ok after all of this fighting that's been going on where they're losing headway?
Aduna Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.01 15:40:00 - [394] something to think about: if Goons exist for the sole reason of fighting BoB, what would happen to Goons once BoB is no longer around for Goons to fight? Originally by: James 315 Goon logistics may have the most efficient manner of griefing BoB that there is:every Goon tower in a BoB system is a punch in BoB's stomach and a middle finger to Dianabolic's crew
Khorian Gallente Excidium.	Posted - 2007.08.01 16:07:00 - [395] The goons are insignificant next to RA.
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.01 16:13:00 - [396] Originally by: Khorian The goons are insignificant next to RA. Let's be realistic now, we're also insignificant next to TCF.
Bu Jinkan Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.01 16:14:00 - [397] Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 01/08/2007 11:39:20 Originally by: Eurydyke Originally by: Murina Im not a fan of BOB i just admire skill. I see, thats why you joined Fatal, right? Find me another alliance that held a system for 2.5 weeks with no dread fleet and out numbered 30to40-1 and when we did eventualy fall got paid 22bil for the systems outpost by the enemy so we would'nt come back for 3 months. I don't know, my alliances just tend to win in the first place.
Bu Jinkan Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.01 16:15:00 - [398] Originally by: Aduna something to think about: if Goons exist for the sole reason of fighting BoB, what would happen to Goons once BoB is no longer around for Goons to fight? We'll grief them in PotBS.
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.01 16:25:00 - [399] Originally by: Aduna something to think about: if Goons exist for the sole reason of fighting BoB, what would happen to Goons once BoB is no longer around for Goons to fight? No it's bob that promised to grief us out of the game. Also, if our war with bob ends with for any reason, we have some people lined up next.
Flow Befort GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.01 16:28:00 - [400] If BOB dies goonwaffe will rise again and destroy goonfleet

KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.01 16:29:00 - [401] Originally by: Flow Befort If BOB dies goonwaffe will rise again and destroy goonfleet Led by Hoegaarden and Rem
Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.08.01 17:00:00 - [402] Originally by: Murina Originally by: Starfall Hammer Originally by: Murina James 315 find a girl or boy and have sex asap. How many more of these fanboi posts do you need to make before bob finally accept your application? Im not a fan of BOB i just like Molle to spank me for being naughty. Fixed for teh truth. _______________________ Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.
Kirja R.u.S.H. - Fanatics Ultima Rati0	Posted - 2007.08.01 18:46:00 - [403] Edited by: Kirja on 01/08/2007 18:46:29 Originally by: Murina Find me another alliance that held a system for 2.5 weeks with no dread fleet and out numbered 30to40-1 and when we did eventualy fall got paid 22bil for the systems outpost by the enemy so we would'nt come back for 3 months.[/quote 30to40-1? I'll make a wild guess that this gibberish means that you were outnumbered 40 to 1? Boy you need to make a reality check ASAP, as you descended into your imaginary world too deep by now. In times when the actual fight did take place odds were almost even. Im not even mentioning that you sold your t2 bpos to get help of outbreak and MC... Meh..
Rogen DarHeel	Posted - 2007.08.01 18:51:00 - [404] Goonfleet has been around forever! I cant believe ppl think they exist for the sole reason of fighting BOB. Goonfleet was here before BOB and they will be here AFTER BOB.
Zion Lior GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:08:00 - [405] Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: Flow Befort If BOB dies goonwaffe will rise again and destroy goonfleet Led by Hoegaarden and Rem the titan fund theft was an elaborate cover for rem to go work for ccp
James Grand Phoenix Navy Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:38:00 - [406] Originally by: Rogen DarHeel Goonfleet has been around forever! I cant believe ppl think they exist for the sole reason of fighting BOB. Goonfleet was here before BOB Uhhhh...no. -------------------------------------------------- The opinions expressed in my posts are entirely my own.
Mr Broker Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:43:00 - [407] BOB still has ample time to cut a deal with all of their ennemies. BOB won't be the same afterwards, they will actually be better. They will cut the fat and get rid of their CAOD generals and get back to pure pvp without conquering systems. They stop making promises they can't hold and start enjoying Eve again. They will have honest camapigns with willing alliances without getting into the POS game. See people, if you don't like POS games, if you don't like LAG, if you don't like SMACK, a better gameplay is possibe. Press for change and stop participation until your leadership changes. You are responsible for turning Eve into a dreaded chore.
Indigo Johnson Minmatar Dojo Sushi	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:50:00 - [408] Interesting analysis...shame it doesn't look into the mirror and take into account sov changes, logistics and future planned game changes into account. Though this forum is not meant for the weak of mind...er, meant heart. Keep ing, you will win.
Cringeley GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.01 19:55:00 - [409] Originally by: Zion Lior Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: Flow Befort If BOB dies goonwaffe will rise again and destroy goonfleet Led by Hoegaarden and Rem the titan fund theft was an elaborate cover for rem to go work for ccp I'm pretty sure they already had several competent ham consultants.
Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.08.01 21:02:00 - [410] Originally by: Mr Broker BOB still has ample time to cut a deal with all of their ennemies. BOB won't be the same afterwards, they will actually be better. They will cut the fat and get rid of their CAOD generals and get back to pure pvp without conquering systems. They stop making promises they can't hold and start enjoying Eve again. They will have honest camapigns with willing alliances without getting into the POS game. See people, if you don't like POS games, if you don't like LAG, if you don't like SMACK, a better gameplay is possibe. Press for change and stop participation until your leadership changes. You are responsible for turning Eve into a dreaded chore. You see the problem is that most people are sheep, they act on the sole promise of WIN!WIN!WIN!, thats the case with many of BoB members, and i am saying this on a, i know so, basis. So in other words, most people are too lazy or dumb to think and question in their minds wtf are our "leaders" doing.... and act or question, or give an oportune opinion or give an alternative to this or that course of action. Scrw it, no one cares so let the blobbing continue and well, bob will boomheadshotdie, along with goons all in its proper time so sit back and enjoy the game. _______________________ Originally by:* Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.

Biosman Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.08.01 23:49:00 - [411] Hmm,how about a "Why BoB is losing-Complete Trilogy" thread,all type white in a black background so I can read it and be forced to take several days off work for eye recovery and play eve
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.02 00:43:00 - [412] Originally by: Cringeley Originally by: Zion Lior Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: Flow Befort If BOB dies goonwaffe will rise again and destroy goonfleet Led by Hoegaarden and Rem the titan fund theft was an elaborate cover for rem to go work for ccp I'm pretty sure they already had several competent ham consultants. needed a dedicated burkey admin
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.02 00:45:00 - [413] Originally by: Bu Jinkan Originally by: Murina Edited by: Murina on 01/08/2007 11:39:20 Originally by: Eurydyke Originally by: Murina Im not a fan of BOB i just admire skill. I see, thats why you joined Fatal, right? Find me another alliance that held a system for 2.5 weeks with no dread fleet and out numbered 30to40-1 and when we did eventualy fall got paid 22bil for the systems outpost by the enemy so we would'nt come back for 3 months. I don't know, my alliances just tend to win in the first place. Realy then you did not just reciently take back the systems BOB pushed you out of???.
Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.02 00:48:00 - [414] Originally by: Murina Realy then you did not just reciently take back the systems BOB pushed you out of???. Which would imply that we're winning? Keep trying, at least your trolls aren't half as terrible as your alliance.
CrispyKritters Caldari GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.08.02 00:52:00 - [415] Originally by: Murina Realy then you did not just reciently take back the systems BOB pushed you out of???. We have your system, thanks for those
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.02 00:54:00 - [416] Originally by: Orangir Originally by: Murina Realy then you did not just reciently take back the systems BOB pushed you out of???. Which would imply that we're winning? Keep trying, at least your trolls aren't half as terrible as your alliance. Oh gr8 you again lol yes gratz youve taken a system or 2 does that mean when bob pushed you back that they were winning or are you gonna spin it into a tactical withdrawal. When you get to the point your covering a huge amount of conquered space you will stall and fall prey to the compact blob you create with your success. Yes i said success if you check my posts ive never actualy claimed they were not just that the mechanics of eve will do to you exactly what it did to bob.
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.02 00:58:00 - [417] Originally by: CrispyKritters Originally by: Murina Realy then you did not just reciently take back the systems BOB pushed you out of???. We have your system, thanks for those Actualy invictus has ours it cost em a MS quite a few other capitals buckets full of conventional ships, oh and i love mentioning it yes 22 bil to leave em alone for 3 months.
Callthetruth Caldari Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order	Posted - 2007.08.02 01:01:00 - [418] looks like things have stalled really
Mr Broker Station Gremlings	Posted - 2007.08.02 01:11:00 - [419] Originally by: Callthetruth looks like things have stalled really Get more information before posting.
Fry Fortune Ultrapolite Socialites GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.02 01:15:00 - [420] point out where any goon denied bob were winning when they were ****ting all over us using 5-10 people running shifts on their supercaps? They were winning, not by fleet battles though, but with supercaps and pos spam. Pity the patch nerfed both these tactics ain't it? for the dumb people. Before rev 2 = bob winning. After rev 2 = us winning.

Orangir GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.02 01:17:00 - [421] Edited by: Orangir on 02/08/2007 01:17:44 Edited by: Orangir on 02/08/2007 01:17:35 Originally by: Murina Oh gr8 you again lol yes gratz youve taken a system or 2 does that mean when bob pushed you back that they were winning or are you gonna spin it into a tactical withdrawal. When you get to the point your covering a huge amount of conquered space you will stall and fall prey to the compact blob you create with your success. Yes i said success if you check my posts ive never actualy claimed they were not just that the mechanics of eve will do to you exactly what it did to bob. Oh and your trolls are awful in fact the worst and most juvinille ive ever seen but they are considerably better than your lemming alliance. So is the newest BoB talking point "well you're only taking back lost systems so you're still losing" because that's like saying the Axis was winning until the Allies finally pushed them back across the Rhine, and that's a silly thing to imply. You see Eve is a lot like WWII because
Murina Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.02 01:24:00 - [422] Originally by: Orangir Edited by: Orangir on 02/08/2007 01:17:44 Edited by: Orangir on 02/08/2007 01:17:35 Originally by: Murina Oh gr8 you again lol yes gratz youve taken a system or 2 does that mean when bob pushed you back that they were winning or are you gonna spin it into a tactical withdrawal. When you get to the point your covering a huge amount of conquered space you will stall and fall prey to the compact blob you create with your success. Yes i said success if you check my posts ive never actualy claimed they were not just that the mechanics of eve will do to you exactly what it did to bob. Oh and your trolls are awful in fact the worst and most juvinille ive ever seen but they are considerably better than your lemming alliance. So is the newest BoB talking point "well you're only taking back lost systems so you're still losing" because that's like saying the Axis was winning until the Allies finally pushed them back across the Rhine, and that's a silly thing to imply. You see Eve is a lot like WWII because Nope your winning bud il never claim your not if you are but if you consider that unlees you or bob can find a way to actualy remove players from eve enmasse then the "compact blob" will always be the result of a successful campaign and it will always beat an enemy that has to cover large areas. That is not a slight against you bob or anybody else its just the way it is.
Martin VanBuren GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.02 01:39:00 - [423] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: CrispyKritters Originally by: Murina Realy then you did not just reciently take back the systems BOB pushed you out of???. We have your system, thanks for those Actualy invictus has ours it cost em a MS quite a few other capitals buckets full of conventional ships, oh and i love mentioning it yes 22 bil to leave em alone for 3 months. You better believe Fatal is a fearsome PVP alliance, not just anyone can splinter off and stake a claim in the drone regions! And then sell that claim and move into space conquered for them!
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.02 01:44:00 - [424] Originally by: Martin VanBuren Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: CrispyKritters Originally by: Murina Realy then you did not just reciently take back the systems BOB pushed you out of???. We have your system, thanks for those Actualy invictus has ours it cost em a MS quite a few other capitals buckets full of conventional ships, oh and i love mentioning it yes 22 bil to leave em alone for 3 months. You better believe Fatal is a fearsome PVP alliance, not just anyone can splinter off and stake a claim in the drone regions! And then sell that claim and move into space conquered for them! A+ for effort F- for content.
Aduna Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.02 13:14:00 - [425] Originally by: Bu Jinkan Originally by: Aduna something to think about: if Goons exist for the sole reason of fighting BoB, what would happen to Goons once BoB is no longer around for Goons to fight? We'll grief them in PotBS. count me in :) Originally by: James 315 Goon logistics may have the most efficient manner of griefing BoB that there is:every Goon tower in a BoB system is a punch in BoB's stomach and a middle finger to Dianabolic's crew
Stinkywrix GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.02 13:18:00 - [426] Originally by: Orangir So is the newest BoB talking point "well you're only taking back lost systems so you're still losing" because that's like saying the Axis was winning until the Allies finally pushed them back across the Rhine, and that's a silly thing to imply. You see Eve is a lot like WWII because Well in actuality, EVE is a lot like the eastern front in WWII. You see, 9-9 was a lot like Stalingrad, furthermore Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why (don't forget to include a link to it) -Sahwoolo
DTee The Huns	Posted - 2007.08.02 13:52:00 - [427] Edited by: DTee on 02/08/2007 13:54:16 T2 prices my good friend are not even close to what they used to be. If you produce inhouse, which probably BoB also do. Your on a pretty level plane. The advantage still lies with BoB indeed. 100b in rent everymonth can't be bad for the alliance wallet, I'm guessing.I can't imagine goons/ra/tcf are making that much JUST for their alliance let alone themselves. If BoB started handing out equipment to its pilots it could supply them for a long long time. The question of Morale is indeed a complicated one but let me remind you. You aren't Victorious of your own will, your are victorious when you break the enemies. BoBs will is not broken yet. Molle still sits on his pedestal plotting and planning,i wouldn't underestimate him. I would check all your roles for rights to anchoring pos's and hanger access. I'm expecting this to get dirtier!
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.08.02 14:10:00 - [428] Originally by: DTee Edited by: DTee on 02/08/2007 14:02:50 T2 prices my good friend are not even close to what they used to be. If you produce inhouse, which probably BoB also do. Your on a pretty level plane. The advantage still lies with BoB indeed. 100b in rent everymonth can't be bad for the alliance wallet, I'm guessing.I can't imagine goons/ra/tcf are making that much JUST for their alliance let alone themselves. If BoB started handing out equipment to its pilots it could supply them for a long long time, WITHOUT any of the troops from the front line needing to RAT or LEAVE the front line. I expect it is quite the opposite for RSF, whow ill at some point loose momentum because of the rate they are loosing ships. The question of Morale is indeed a complicated one but let me remind you. You aren't Victorious of your own will, your are victorious when you break the enemies. BoBs will is not broken yet. Molle still sits on his pedestal plotting and planning,i wouldn't underestimate him. I would check all your roles for rights to anchoring pos's and hanger access. I'm expecting this to get dirtier! IAC and AAA have taken the perfect opportunity to harass Fix and divert MC BUT i doubt that MC were or are stupid enough to fall for something like that. The fact that its non capital help (no dreads). I'm expecting the Dreads are being saved for a combined op with BoB at a later date to kill lots of RSF caps or for the defense of "NOL". There are probably better targets in BoB space other then NOL. Also BoB had alot of reserves for a war like this, which they expected against ASCN. I can hardly imagine what they have in reserves NOW.Afterall the ASCN war wasn't much of a fight. They've probably got more reserves since then. DTee, this is not the BoB of last year. A lot bigger, but not nearly as good. I fought in the BoB-ASCN war, and the BoB of today is making mistakes I've never seen them make in the ASCN war. Part of it is of course that Redswarm has a hard core of PvPers which is far stronger than ASCN ever had, but even then, I see silly mistakes that are not needed. And about the issue of morale and isk. ASCN didn't lose because of isk, there were hundreds of billions left, there was just noone left willing to use the isk to fight. A singly guy can rat a months worth of fuel for a deathstar POS in 1 day, or considering nsurance, 3 or 4 BS worth. As long as morale is high, losses are irrelevant. And you can judge for yourself whether morale is high in the Redswarm/TCF/Southern Coalition... ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
Marko Zhang Chargin Mah Lazors	Posted - 2007.08.02 14:15:00 - [429] Originally by: DTee I can hardly imagine what they have in reserves NOW. I just peed my Space Pants.
DTee The Huns	Posted - 2007.08.02 14:22:00 - [430] Edited by: DTee on 02/08/2007 14:22:29 Edited by: DTee on 02/08/2007 14:21:59 Originally by: Marko Zhang Originally by: DTee I can hardly imagine what they have in reserves NOW. I just peed my Space Pants. Funnily enough so did I! I can understand what you mean about it not being the old BoB.Every player that joins BoB is cultured in to the habits of BoB as an organisation. Such as staying aligned, warping quickly following instructions.The new members ofcourse add to that and certain BoB corps with VERY open recruitment policies is probably the reason for the diluted state of affairs. I also agree with the mention of Morale, that is something as i mentioned very Complicated. As I am not part of BoB anymore I can't imply that i know what their Morale is like.

Ivan Milat GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.02 14:25:00 - [431] Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: Martin VanBuren Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: CrispyKritters Originally by: Murina Realy then you did not just reciently take back the systems BOB pushed you out of???. We have your system, thanks for those Actualy invictus has ours it cost em a MS quite a few other capitals buckets full of conventional ships, oh and i love mentioning it yes 22 bil to leave em alone for 3 months. You better believe Fatal is a fearsome PVP alliance, not just anyone can splinter off and stake a claim in the drone regions! And then sell that claim and move into space conquered for them! A+ for effort F- for content. Much like your alliance
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.02 14:55:00 - [432] Originally by: DTee Edited by: DTee on 02/08/2007 14:22:29 Edited by: DTee on 02/08/2007 14:21:59 Originally by: Marko Zhang Originally by: DTee I can hardly imagine what they have in reserves NOW. I just peed my Space Pants. Funnily enough so did I! I can understand what you mean about it not being the old BoB.Every player that joins BoB is cultured in to the habits of BoB as an organisation. Such as staying aligned, warping quickly following instructions.The new members ofcourse add to that and certain BoB corps with VERY open recruitment policies is probably the reason for the diluted state of affairs. I also agree with the mention of Morale, that is something as i mentioned very Complicated. As I am not part of BoB anymore I can't imply that i know what their Morale is like. BoB dont have that much ISK anymore, really. The whole "100 billion a day/week/whatever" was misinformation put out to scare the misinformed.
Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.08.02 16:51:00 - [433] Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: DTee Edited by: DTee on 02/08/2007 14:22:29 Edited by: DTee on 02/08/2007 14:21:59 Originally by: Marko Zhang Originally by: DTee I can hardly imagine what they have in reserves NOW. I just peed my Space Pants. Funnily enough so did I! I can understand what you mean about it not being the old BoB.Every player that joins BoB is cultured in to the habits of BoB as an organisation. Such as staying aligned, warping quickly following instructions.The new members ofcourse add to that and certain BoB corps with VERY open recruitment policies is probably the reason for the diluted state of affairs. I also agree with the mention of Morale, that is something as i mentioned very Complicated. As I am not part of BoB anymore I can't imply that i know what their Morale is like. BoB dont have that much ISK anymore, really. The whole "100 billion a day/week/whatever" was misinformation put out to scare the misinformed. Actually they have quite a bit more. Not counting cap ships stil repackaged and ready to substitute the ones that end up in a "wrecked" state in space. _______________________ Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.
CrispyKritters Caldari GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.08.02 17:25:00 - [434] Originally by: Dionisius Actually they have quite a bit more. Not counting cap ships stil repackaged and ready to substitute the ones that end up in a "wrecked" state in space. Are you a BoB financial analyst or something? I hear BoB has 100 trillion isk in reserve just waiting for the right moment to throw at us along with 500 faction fitted ships, 100 dreads, and 200 carriers.
sophisticatedlimabean Gallente The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.02 17:39:00 - [435] Originally by: Ivan Milat Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: Martin VanBuren Originally by: sophisticatedlimabean Originally by: CrispyKritters Originally by: Murina Realy then you did not just reciently take back the systems BOB pushed you out of???. We have your system, thanks for those Actualy invictus has ours it cost em a MS quite a few other capitals buckets full of conventional ships, oh and i love mentioning it yes 22 bil to leave em alone for 3 months. You better believe Fatal is a fearsome PVP alliance, not just anyone can splinter off and stake a claim in the drone regions! And then sell that claim and move into space conquered for them! A+ for effort F- for content. Much like your alliance M8 id get a mirror if i were you bud cos that statment pretty much sums up all of goon.
Jomin Herdsy GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.02 18:42:00 - [436] If BoB has so many capitals in reserve and deep enough pockets to replace them how come they havenÆt risked deploying them to decisively defeat our capswarm or to destroy our POSs? Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo
TZeer BURN EDEN	Posted - 2007.08.02 19:49:00 - [437] Originally by: Jomin Herdsy If BoB has so many capitals in reserve and deep enough pockets to replace them how come they havenÆt risked deploying them to decisively defeat our capswarm or to destroy our POSs? Greed and the drive to cover their own ass if everything goes to hell... Same stuff happend to ASCN, according to our internal forums, our own industry produced over 100 carriers and almost the same amount of dreads before the war with bob...
Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.08.02 21:23:00 - [438] Originally by: CrispyKritters Originally by: Dionisius Actually they have quite a bit more. Not counting cap ships stil repackaged and ready to substitute the ones that end up in a "wrecked" state in space. Are you a BoB financial analyst or something? I hear BoB has 100 trillion isk in reserve just waiting for the right moment to throw at us along with 500 faction fitted ships, 100 dreads, and 200 carriers. Nope, no analist, info came from bob members in a casual talk, as its no big secret and makes perfect sense. BoB collect payment weekly/monthly from the pets, and have ships stocked, atm they are prolly one of the best stocked alliances in the game. _______________________ Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.
The Beatnuts UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.02 21:42:00 - [439] Originally by: Dionisius BoB collect payment weekly/monthly from the pets, and have ships stocked, atm they are prolly one of the best stocked alliances in the game. After my personal hangar. Don't speak english - f1, f2, f3
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.08.02 21:51:00 - [440] Originally by: The Beatnuts Originally by: Dionisius BoB collect payment weekly/monthly from the pets, and have ships stocked, atm they are prolly one of the best stocked alliances in the game. After my personal hangar. And my fridge. Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus."

Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.08.02 21:54:00 - [441] Originally by: Plim Originally by: The Beatnuts Originally by: Dionisius BoB collect payment weekly/monthly from the pets, and have ships stocked, atm they are prolly one of the best stocked alliances in the game. After my personal hangar. And my fridge. Then what are you waiting to pass me a beer??? _______________________ Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.
Fuglife Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.08.02 21:55:00 - [442] Originally by: Plim Originally by: The Beatnuts Originally by: Dionisius BoB collect payment weekly/monthly from the pets, and have ships stocked, atm they are prolly one of the best stocked alliances in the game. After my personal hangar. And my fridge. and my axe!
NO BRAKES GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.02 22:14:00 - [443] Originally by: Dionisius Nope, no analist, info came from bob members in a casual talk, as its no big secret and makes perfect sense. BoB collect payment weekly/monthly from the pets, and have ships stocked, atm they are prolly one of the best stocked alliances in the game. Might want to ask EVOL about that. Also, you said analist lol.
Lee Bian Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.03 06:36:00 - [444] Originally by: Plim Originally by: The Beatnuts Originally by: Dionisius BoB collect payment weekly/monthly from the pets, and have ships stocked, atm they are prolly one of the best stocked alliances in the game. After my personal hangar. And my fridge. Fatty.
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.03 07:32:00 - [445] I can tell who the goons are without even looking at the name or the corp/alliance ticker.
Lee Bian Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.03 07:39:00 - [446] Originally by: Relaria Hossin I can tell who the goons are without even looking at the name or the corp/alliance ticker. because of the men in our signatures?
Alias11 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.03 07:45:00 - [447] Originally by: Relaria Hossin I can tell who the goons are without even looking at the name or the corp/alliance ticker. furthermore
Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.08.03 10:04:00 - [448] Originally by: NO BRAKES Originally by: Dionisius Nope, no analist, info came from bob members in a casual talk, as its no big secret and makes perfect sense. BoB collect payment weekly/monthly from the pets, and have ships stocked, atm they are prolly one of the best stocked alliances in the game. Might want to ask EVOL about that. Also, you said analist lol. Why would i ask EVOL about one thing that is cristal clear? BoB alliance has received ALOT of isks from pet rents, sold items, etc etc and so on, they are most rich alliance, or one of the most rich, alliances in the game. In other words, they have the gear, but they seem to be lacking the imagination to use the gear properly. Not that i'm pro-BoB or anything, actually i despise most of their members with exception for a few people in there that are actually nice and decent, while the rest, pets included are only tools with lots of isks to spend and acting like they matter. Now i'm not either pro-Goon because you guys are less polished version of BoB, but if it meens people have to support you just to reach an end... that being the end of BoB or at least the end of a large portion of their territory then so be it, its choosing between the less of 2 evils. Only thing your alliance probably differs is that you don't put on that silly friends mask on foruns and GF you guys are respectable and all that crap that everyone else puts on in here when i fleet or gang i've smacked, i've seen others smack and everyone disrespects everyone and their mother in oposite gangs, petitions fly around and all that crap. So after this little rant of mine and just for finals, someone needs to use the old thing called imagination and instead of going head on with the foe try to start hitting were it worst the most besides the pride... Oh and i don't give a ***** if i make one mistake or 2 or whatever writing in english. _______________________ Originally by:** Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.
NO BRAKES GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.03 14:37:00 - [449] Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: NO BRAKES Originally by: Dionisius Nope, no analist, info came from bob members in a casual talk, as its no big secret and makes perfect sense. BoB collect payment weekly/monthly from the pets, and have ships stocked, atm they are prolly one of the best stocked alliances in the game. Might want to ask EVOL about that. Also, you said analist lol. Why would i ask EVOL about one thing that is cristal clear? BoB alliance has received ALOT of isks from pet rents, sold items, etc etc and so on, they are most rich alliance, or one of the most rich, alliances in the game. Lurk more
CrispyKritters Caldari GoonFleet	Posted - 2007.08.03 15:17:00 - [450] Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: NO BRAKES Originally by: Dionisius Nope, no analist, info came from bob members in a casual talk, as its no big secret and makes perfect sense. BoB collect payment weekly/monthly from the pets, and have ships stocked, atm they are prolly one of the best stocked alliances in the game. Might want to ask EVOL about that. Also, you said analist lol. Why would i ask EVOL about one thing that is cristal clear? BoB alliance has received ALOT of isks from pet rents, sold items, etc etc and so on, they are most rich alliance, or one of the most rich, alliances in the game. In other words, they have the gear, but they seem to be lacking the imagination to use the gear properly. Not that i'm pro-BoB or anything, actually i despise most of their members with exception for a few people in there that are actually nice and decent, while the rest, pets included are only tools with lots of isks to spend and acting like they matter. Now i'm not either pro-Goon because you guys are less polished version of BoB, but if it meens people have to support you just to reach an end... that being the end of BoB or at least the end of a large portion of their territory then so be it, its choosing between the less of 2 evils. Only thing your alliance probably differs is that you don't put on that silly friends mask on foruns and GF you guys are respectable and all that crap that everyone else puts on in here when i fleet or gang i've smacked, i've seen others smack and everyone disrespects everyone and their mother in oposite gangs, petitions fly around and all that crap. So after this little rant of mine and just for finals, someone needs to use the old thing called imagination and instead of going head on with the foe try to start hitting were it worst the most besides the pride... Oh and i don't give a ******* if i make one mistake or 2 or whatever writing in english. You're going to base your assessment of BoB finances on what you heard from a BoB member? Their actions speak more then any plebian from BoB could. If they had this so called fortune, they could have pos spammed us back to Syndicate or at least fight this war a little more... efficiently.

Dionisius Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL	Posted - 2007.08.03 16:23:00 - [451] Originally by: CrispyKritters Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: NO BRAKES Originally by: Dionisius Nope, no analist, info came from bob members in a casual talk, as its no big secret and makes perfect sense. BoB collect payment weekly/monthly from the pets, and have ships stocked, atm they are prolly one of the best stocked alliances in the game. Might want to ask EVOL about that. Also, you said analist lol. Why would i ask EVOL about one thing that is cristal clear? BoB alliance has received ALOT of isks from pet rents, sold items, etc etc and so on, they are most rich alliance, or one of the most rich, alliances in the game. In other words, they have the gear, but they seem to be lacking the imagination to use the gear properly. Not that i'm pro-BoB or anything, actually i despise most of their members with exception for a few people in there that are actually nice and decent, while the rest, pets included are only tools with lots of isks to spend and acting like they matter. Now i'm not either pro-Goon because you guys are less polished version of BoB, but if it meens people have to support you just to reach an end... that being the end of BoB or at least the end of a large portion of their territory then so be it, its choosing between the less of 2 evils. Only thing your alliance probably differs is that you don't put on that silly friends mask on foruns and GF you guys are respectable and all that crap that everyone else puts on in here when i fleet or gang i've smacked, i've seen others smack and everyone disrespects everyone and their mother in oposite gangs, petitions fly around and all that crap. So after this little rant of mine and just for finals, someone needs to use the old thing called imagination and instead of going head on with the foe try to start hitting were it worst the most besides the pride... Oh and i don't give a ***** if i make one mistake or 2 or whatever writing in english. You're going to base your assessment of BoB finances on what you heard from a BoB member? Their actions speak more then any plebian from BoB could. If they had this so called fortune, they could have pos spammed us back to Syndicate or at least fight this war a little more... efficiently. Ok lemme put it this way, they receive more in a week from rents than probably your alliance does from all of you rating. Note that i was in 2 alliances that paid rent to bob, and it wasn't cheap. Add corelum, aftermath,etc, rembember Xelas?, and so on, and you get the picture on Isks. Not counting alts with research, industry, T2 mods, etc... While you had to rebuild, BoB had to amass stuff, while you fought for space, BoB fought for a fatter wallet. The BoB of today are not the same as of a few months ago, but take into consideration that, they have alot of people angry at them and shooting them. The reason, and this is my opinion on the matter, why they haven't crushed you back to the stone age of EvE is because alone they can't, not with all your numbers and backup. Its as simple as this, alone they can't, and well their pets have their hands full atm also. Being labeled has the best means st if you can't hold on to the space you conquered. Btw, remember what you and RA did to CORM!? _______________________ Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire.


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