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Da Ram	Posted - 2007.08.02 08:57:00 - [151] Originally by: Sin Meng Originally by: Da Ram A banker in Austria who lost Billions to very shady deals is in court now. The billions he lost affected quite a few people, politicians - many lifes so to speak. His defense was that he "regrets that people only see the little percentage of his otherwise great decisions leading to the loss" Up to today I thought this was the most stupid argument I have ever read. Until I came across this: Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Nightbird /signed. Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game. That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month... Wrangler, whoever hacked your account and got to post this response of yours, should be silenced. I cannot believe that someone like you implies that CCP gives so little about veteran players. Ram Give me ONE SINGLE WORD in wrangler's statement that says CCP "cares so little about its veteran players." Yes its a sarcastic response that falls short on tact, blame a man for being human and working for a corporation at the same time. However it is in no way what you claim it to be UNLESS you construe it to appear so. Its amusing to see how people like you take simple factual words and turn them into negative motive just to turn around a *** about it. "cause I just checked the subscription numbers" He implies it with this sentence and I am sorry if you cannot read between the lines. Subscriptions suffer from some kind of inertia plus as long as they are not weighed they can only show so much of a distored picture. One veteran leaving probably usually amounts to the need of getting 3 more subscribers. Why ? Because veterans are the living, breathing flesh in this game. They shape this player run universe, mmkay ? In addition pointing at subscription numbers of the past month does not mean a thing at all as it takes a long time until negative effects take hold so strongly that players outright quit, you need to take a big time scale into view and you need to weigh vet scubscriptions against new players, etc. Its like saying - Everything is alright, the majority has elected the government while the whole of the state is going to **. Clear enough ? By the by - this game is still and always has been advertising large space battles - those are simply not possible to do with a reasonable comfort of playing. Ram
Sin Meng Gallente Helios Incorporated	Posted - 2007.08.02 09:23:00 - [152] Originally by: Da Ram Originally by: Sin Meng Originally by: Da Ram A banker in Austria who lost Billions to very shady deals is in court now. The billions he lost affected quite a few people, politicians - many lifes so to speak. His defense was that he "regrets that people only see the little percentage of his otherwise great decisions leading to the loss" Up to today I thought this was the most stupid argument I have ever read. Until I came across this: Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Nightbird /signed. Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game. That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month... Wrangler, whoever hacked your account and got to post this response of yours, should be silenced. I cannot believe that someone like you implies that CCP gives so little about veteran players. Ram Give me ONE SINGLE WORD in wrangler's statement that says CCP "cares so little about its veteran players." Yes its a sarcastic response that falls short on tact, blame a man for being human and working for a corporation at the same time. However it is in no way what you claim it to be UNLESS you construe it to appear so. Its amusing to see how people like you take simple factual words and turn them into negative motive just to turn around a *** about it. "cause I just checked the subscription numbers" He implies it with this sentence and I am sorry if you cannot read between the lines. Subscriptions suffer from some kind of inertia plus as long as they are not weighed they can only show so much of a distored picture. One veteran leaving probably usually amounts to the need of getting 3 more subscribers. Why ? Because veterans are the living, breathing flesh in this game. They shape this player run universe, mmkay ? In addition pointing at subscription numbers of the past month does not mean a thing at all as it takes a long time until negative effects take hold so strongly that players outright quit, you need to take a big time scale into view and you need to weigh vet scubscriptions against new players, etc. Its like saying - Everything is alright, the majority has elected the government while the whole of the state is going to . Clear enough ? By the by - this game is still and always has been advertising large space battles - those are simply not possible to do with a reasonable comfort of playing. Ram I didn't read between the lines because reading between the lines of a PR rep or "community manager" its pointless, I won't go into why because you've clearly lost yourself to conspiracy theory. ------------------------- EVE is a sandbox with land mines**, deal with it.
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.08.02 09:28:00 - [153] Originally by: Sin Meng I didn't read between the lines because reading between the lines of a PR rep or "community manager" its pointless, I won't go into why because you've clearly lost yourself to conspiracy theory. In that case reading the words at all would be pointless would it not? 'People aren't leaving because the subscription numbers are going up' does not logically work anyway. People are leaving. Others are joining. Those leaving are veterans, by default as they had to be here already to be leaving. Those joining are not veterans, by default as they just joined. If he only cares about the subscription number, then he doesn't give a crap about veterans. ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos
Da Ram	Posted - 2007.08.02 09:32:00 - [154] Originally by: Ridley Tree Originally by: Sin Meng I didn't read between the lines because reading between the lines of a PR rep or "community manager" its pointless, I won't go into why because you've clearly lost yourself to conspiracy theory. In that case reading the words at all would be pointless would it not? 'People aren't leaving because the subscription numbers are going up' does not logically work anyway. People are leaving. Others are joining. Those leaving are veterans, by default as they had to be here already to be leaving. Those joining are not veterans, by default as they just joined. If he only cares about the subscription number, then he doesn't give a crap about veterans. Thanks Ridley, I really thought I lost it. Your explanation is much better than mine indeed. Ram
Okkie2	Posted - 2007.08.02 09:57:00 - [155] He was commenting on the Eve is dieing part, which isn't true. Eve is still growing strong. His answer could have been a bit more tactical, but i guess this is because of all the whining on the forums and him being finally getting pretty annoyed by it. The DEVs know there are problems and they are working as hard as possible to solve them but all they hear from their players is whining about things not working and hearing they don't do their job well. I do agree petitions of this size should get a higher prio and be solved quicker or at least they should give more info about it (e.g. seperate forum-item ?)
Rock Lobster Solarflare Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.08.02 10:26:00 - [156] Personally, desyncs haven't happened since the post-2.0 patch (2.0.1 was it?). I was getting them all the time before that. What I do notice is that in "fleet battles" where you jump through and aparently desync - IE you end up with a blank screen and overview - is client load. On my rig EVE tends to run one core at about 80% load, when jumping through a gate into a camp, the CPU load will hit 100% on one core. I've run EVE on a considerably quicker PC as a test (AMD X2 6000+ compared to my normal machine a Pentium D 945), and the speed at which EVE recovers after a jump into a blobbed gate is considerably reduced. So, my suggestion is for those experiencing "desync" is to check the load on your PC's CPU, clear caches, or run off a RAM drive.
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.02 10:33:00 - [157] Man I WANT NEW SHINY stuff... its not like if the artists at CCP would be helpign to solve desync problems if they were not workin on art. Neither the client programmers, neither the content developers. In a system like eve is not unlikely that there are 3-4 guys that work on and understand the communication sysem between client and server, its not productive to have everyone working on everything. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.08.02 10:40:00 - [158] Edited by: Ridley Tree on 02/08/2007 11:06:42 Originally by: Okkie2 He was commenting on the Eve is dieing part, which isn't true. Eve is still growing strong. His answer could have been a bit more tactical, but i guess this is because of all the whining on the forums and him being finally getting pretty annoyed by it. You know that bit I said about CCP having horrible customer service? Employees are not allowed to get annoyed. Not in public anyway. Thats what the break-room, the bar and the dartboard are for. edit: Though with the amount of **** they get (see the state of this board and the amount of locked threads right now.... (1106 eve time) I'm perfectly willing to forgive. ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos
AnarchistUK	Posted - 2007.08.02 11:46:00 - [159] Edited by: AnarchistUK on 02/08/2007 11:49:41 People don't want to just quit after putting in so many hours, days, weeks, months or years into their characters. Desyncs may have always been around, but Rev 2.0 is where it all went wrong. You couldn't even have a 5 vs 5 battle. So out comes a patch to resolve this, seems like the small battles have improved again. Now for massive fleet ops... before Rev 2.0, you'd lag out. OK it's expected, but since Rev 2.0, we get the lag and then the desync. You lag and can't right click to warp off, you desync and have to relog, only to find yourself in a station. We've put in bug reports, petitions etc. Where does it get us? We get a copy and paste. Client desyncing from the server - of course the server logs wont see this. The server still thinks the client is happily pew pew, when in fact the client hasn't seen a screen update for 30 minutes and relogs. This thread is for the people who've experienced this and cheesed off with the damn copy and paste "sorry our logs show the game is brilliant". This isn't about us saying we're the leet coders and know you can fix it. It's about the whole picture and the lack of customer service, due to their server issues since Rev 2.0. The graphics look nice, the game play is there... but the servers simply cannot handle fleet battles. It couldn't handle 5 vs 5 before (this is where my personal petitiion was refused!!!). So if you don't care about your gaming pleasure, keep out the thread, if you've had the same treatment as most of us, then by all means chip in and see the start of this thread. P.s. Forum spammers are not constructive and not actually talking about the topic - Forum mods block the following 2 trolls. "Tarminic" and "Tortun Nahme". "Due to our logs, CCP does not acknowledge you. Have a nice day."
Aleksandr Cirtus Caldari Stronghold corp Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.02 11:52:00 - [160] [crazy old man voice]Why, I had desyncs before devs knew desyncs existed and ppl jumped on this crazy desync bandwagon... Back then, we snore whoa, what, empire shuttle trip over already??? [/crazy old man voice] Aleksandr Cirtus Senior Knight and Ghost Fleet Pilot of Stronghold Curse Alliance

DarkMatter Sintered Sanity	Posted - 2007.08.02 11:55:00 - [161] Wrangler's pointing at sub numbers in the face of this game's crippling problems is akin to a forum poster b!tching about spelling & grammer. They have already lost the argument... My Infinity Ship Designs:T-Y9, Medium Hauler
Lamb Byriani	Posted - 2007.08.02 11:58:00 - [162] I de-synced, lost my Ishkur (i loved that ishkur) next day i got it back. im a happy chappy with a game of this scope depth and complexity especially one that is pushing the boundries of mmorpg technology the odd bug/issue really isnt a problem look at how many games on release are bug ridden unplayable messes and all they're doing is rehashing the same old stuff. so in conclusion GTFO
Shari Vegas Minmatar Ctrl Alt Elites	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:01:00 - [163] Originally by: AnarchistUK Freedom of speech! I really hate it when some idiot goes off on a tangent and then throws this in there. This is CCPs game, and their forums. They own it. They say what goes. That's their freedom of speech. Your freedom is that if you don't like it, you can leave at any time. What it doesn't mean, is that you can spam, should, and squeal all you want while throwing up some moronic "freedom of speech" banner. Now shut your noise.
AnarchistUK	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:03:00 - [164] Originally by: Shari Vegas Originally by: AnarchistUK Freedom of speech! I really hate it when some idiot goes off on a tangent and then throws this in there. This is CCPs game, and their forums. They own it. They say what goes. That's their freedom of speech. Your freedom is that if you don't like it, you can leave at any time. What it doesn't mean, is that you can spam, should, and squeal all you want while throwing up some moronic "freedom of speech" banner. Now shut your noise. They gagged my alt for linking this thread and the reason was for swearing - I didn't swear at all!!!!!! So I edited the original post and added that in there. CCP gag people when the members touch a nerve. "Due to our logs, CCP does not acknowledge you. Have a nice day."
Shari Vegas Minmatar Ctrl Alt Elites	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:06:00 - [165] Originally by: AnarchistUK Originally by: Shari Vegas Originally by: AnarchistUK Freedom of speech! I really hate it when some idiot goes off on a tangent and then throws this in there. This is CCPs game, and their forums. They own it. They say what goes. That's their freedom of speech. Your freedom is that if you don't like it, you can leave at any time. What it doesn't mean, is that you can spam, should, and squeal all you want while throwing up some moronic "freedom of speech" banner. Now shut your noise. They gagged my alt for linking this thread and the reason was for swearing - I didn't swear at all!!!!!! So I edited the original post and added that in there. CCP gag people when the members touch a nerve. CCP is obviously out to get you and you should just cancel your account now.
Surreptitious Isk Sink Inc. Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:10:00 - [166] Originally by: DarkMatter Wrangler's pointing at sub numbers in the face of this game's crippling problems is akin to a forum poster b!tching about spelling & grammer. They have already lost the argument... Best reply yet. Syrup
Kiersten	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:10:00 - [167] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Nightbird /signed. Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game. That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month... Could just be me but wont it hurt when all the veteran players cancel there 3 or 4 alts? thats honestly all the new players are these days so screw the vet's m8 ya ccp will go under for it. but ya /signed
Concrete Slab	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:13:00 - [168] FIX EVE " RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE " FIX LAG " RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE " rabble rabble rabble........ /signed
Ridley Tree The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:14:00 - [169] Originally by: Kiersten Could just be me but wont it hurt when all the veteran players cancel there 3 or 4 alts? thats honestly all the new players are these days so screw the vet's m8 ya ccp will go under for it. but ya /signed QFT. When you see '30,000' online, its really going to be closer to 23k or so people and their alts. ---- The Ridley Tree Productions Vault of Videos
w0rmy M. Corp M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:15:00 - [170] Originally by: Lamb Byriani I de-synced, lost my Ishkur (i loved that ishkur) next day i got it back. im a happy chappy with a game of this scope depth and complexity especially one that is pushing the boundries of mmorpg technology the odd bug/issue really isnt a problem So you honestly cant understand why people have a problem... When they loose their 20+ BILLION isk ship to the exact same problem as you suffered, and they do not get it back? Tell me your feelings wouldnt be different if you lost all that effort, to known issues, to only be told "Sorry, youre not getting it back because there is no issue" Once youve experienced the game a little more, you may begind to understand what these players are talking about. Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness. Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.

Concrete Slab	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:17:00 - [171] Originally by: Concrete Slab FIX EVE " RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE " FIX LAG " RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE " rabble rabble rabble........ /signed im the only person cool enough to quote them selves.................RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE /re-sign
Tamoko Damage Unlimited Inc	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:25:00 - [172] Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Nightbird /signed. Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game. That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month... So what you're trying to say is, it's not the rubes that have already paid you for lousy service that matter, it's the new rubes you can churn into the system every month. Wonderful. ---
Asestorian Minmatar Domination. KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:38:00 - [173] Originally by: Tamoko Originally by: CCP Wrangler Originally by: Nightbird /signed. Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game. That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month... So what you're trying to say is, it's not the rubes that have already paid you for lousy service that matter, it's the new rubes you can churn into the system every month. Wonderful. Actually I'm pretty sure he's trying to say that EVE isn't dying because people are leaving. He never said "People aren't leaving". He never said "We don't care that the veterans are leaving". He only said that EVE isn't dying because some people are leaving. And I'm going to go with the logical people here. EVE is a game like no other. There is nothing out there of the complexity of EVE in both gameplay and technology. CCP try their best to fix things in this game where they have to figure every tiny little thing out themselves with no help, and all anyone can do is kick them, spit on them, and tell them to work faster. --- ---
Cptn Z Minmatar	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:47:00 - [174] Originally by: Price Watcher Originally by: CCP Wrangler How did you fail at reporting bugs? That's really arrogant and cold towards a *paying customer.* Bug reporting is clumsy, stupid, and more trouble than a *paying customer* should have to put up with. Perhaps you don't remember who really pays you. It's the *paying customer.* Learn it, love it, live it. Well, live with unfixed bugs, Mr. *paying customer.* You know, there is always a balance with the amount of payment and amount of troubles. --- Regards, Z
Zanpt	Posted - 2007.08.02 12:58:00 - [175] Originally by: AnarchistUK THEY HAVE NOT STOPPED SKILL TRAINING WHILST ACCOUNTS ARE DISABLED. The day they do, that will be the day I stop reactivating accounts I allow to expire to get reimbursements in US Dollars or to punish CCP. I think they are too smart to ever change this. It's part of the diabolically addictive nature of the game. For the same reason, they don't make your stuff disappear for a VERY LONG TIME after an account goes inactive. If they did, people would be discouraged and have less reason to return or, having returned to find their stuff gone, to stay. There are few things as discouraging as having to cover the same ground you've already covered, such as those horribly long training steps. Eve is a superbly well-designed trap (which we enjoy when it works and stays up). It lures you in with the trial account. You convert the trial to paid because otherwise the training you did would be for nothing. You don't abandon an account because after weeks and months, even years, you have an investment in the character's skills. Even if you get ticked off and allow an account to expire, it gnaws at you that all that investment is sitting there, so sooner or later you reactivate it. Eve is like the Mafia -- you can get in, but you can't get out. That's OK when it works right. The best I've been able to do to express my rage and frustration is to manage the nine accounts I control in such a way that when CCP displeases me, more of them go inactive, and when CCP pleases me, more of them become active. I also manage the accounts to get denied reimbursements in US Dollars by reducing what I pay to CCP. If inactive accounts ever fail to continue/complete their currently active training steps, I will have less reason to reactivate them. I'm sure CCP understands that.
roadrage639 The Cons	Posted - 2007.08.02 13:08:00 - [176] yup... they just copy and paste the same message in petitions now.. hence why its usually only a few days to get a reply instead of several weeks. They just say our server logs do not show any lag blaw blaw and refuse to show you a copy. ---------------- If You Can't Kill It, Slap It! The Man Who Runs Will Fight Again
Nigbale Amare Amarr	Posted - 2007.08.02 13:57:00 - [177] Originally by: Da Ram "cause I just checked the subscription numbers" He implies it with this sentence and I am sorry if you cannot read between the lines. Subscriptions suffer from some kind of inertia plus as long as they are not weighed they can only show so much of a distored picture. One veteran leaving probably usually amounts to the need of getting 3 more subscribers. Why ? Because veterans are the living, breathing flesh in this game. They shape this player run universe, mmkay ? In addition pointing at subscription numbers of the past month does not mean a thing at all as it takes a long time until negative effects take hold so strongly that players outright quit, you need to take a big time scale into view and you need to weigh vet scubscriptions against new players, etc. Its like saying - Everything is alright, the majority has elected the government while the whole of the state is going to ****. Clear enough ? By the by - this game is still and always has been advertising large space battles - those are simply not possible to do with a reasonable comfort of playing. Ram Veterans shmeterans - let other people play the game too - and remember - it's only a game - there is also "the outside". That is - if this game fails at some point - you can always go there or - if that's your thing - bury yourself in another social interface like a mmo. Also - players that are new now will be "veterans" in a couple of years and will furhter "shape the universe" - or maybe you think that without your Unique and Sublime, Veteran self the game will crumble. It's allright to leave man - it's also allright to trust the devs - no one wants you to quit playing but if there are other more pressing matters that will outweight the "major fleet battles" that some thousands actually take part in, in terms of money earned - well RL salaries and dividents and stocks WILL HAVE TO PRIME over your on-line "the handful that shapes the universe" self. And yes - democracy fails - but there's yet no bettter system, so yes if 51% vote for a president that the other 49% do not - the 49% will have to comply as not doing so will screw up a system that works in favor of something yet not defined. I'm sure the problem with lag at major encounters is an issue not so lightly solved as you may think also and if they are working on it - it will eventually get done - i'm sure they want too to meet their marketing expectations. Also - big fleet battles for me also means 50v50 an i'm sure that's impressive as it is. now if you want to push 200v200 ships in a system just to have lag at the entrance and complain - then you need to devise some other kind of plan than simply swarming, cause that isn't supported. I'm thinking - as a sollution - to cap the number of ships in each opposing alliance in a system at some point. With some bonuses to attackers maybe. Let's say you have a system you must defend - your alliance guys that can be in at any time is say 50 and then they can't come in - after that only opposing alliance ships are allowed up to a maximum number of 70 ships. When one dies another ship can be admitted. Then you could use this knowledge to send in reinforcements in packs - like wait for 10 to die then send in the xxx. This could be further refined as to have something like "slots" for each ship class/type. Like from 50 ships you can have 2capitals/5bb/20 frigates/and so on and so forth - i'm not in the know and i won't speculate on the numbers furhter but i'm sure you get the idea. This reinforcements method has been successfully used in games like "shogun total war" and to some extent - even in WoW battlegrounds system.
AnarchistUK	Posted - 2007.08.02 13:57:00 - [178] Edited by: AnarchistUK on 02/08/2007 14:04:11 See original post guys, sign and disable account whilst training a long skill. Let CCP lose some money in the following couple of months. They shouldn't give us the copy and paste treatment in petitions when it's their desync issues. ---------------------------------------------- "Due to our logs, CCP does not acknowledge you. Have a nice day."
Johncrab Minmatar Typo Corp	Posted - 2007.08.02 14:27:00 - [179] Edited by: Johncrab on 02/08/2007 14:32:35 eh, never mind. no real use in getting upset... it's my own fault I'm too adicted that I can't close down the account Originally by: ry ry gatecamping is just PvP mining.
Zepher8062	Posted - 2007.08.02 14:31:00 - [180] GM's, If you would permit me. This is directed to everyone who is complaining about the game. As most of you are and have been reading in this thread, the game is not dying. The only point you are getting across is that its 4 am and you are having a fit because some new player probably owned you due to desync issues. What is the point of a game? To have fun or to have the unexpected happen to you. Personally I like both, but we are not talking about me here. The plain and simple truth is if you are so adamant about letting someone know about your time being wasted on a game that you pay for because you are constantly getting lag and Desync, stop wasting you time one the forum in posts that will never help the situation at all. Coming into this Thread and flamming your rear end off hoping for someone in CCP to listen to your threats about leaving the game gives you about as much as a snowball's chance in hell of them listening to you. For the love of Pod, go strut your stuff in the actual threads for complaints or keep sending in petitions to the GM's until they listen to you. If you cant stand the heat, then just quit the game for a month and cool down. Come back and try again. Some people just don't understand that coming in the forums every day and spamming will not get the problem fixed any faster. And to tell you the truth, doing so only makes people not want to do it at all. How would you like it if someone came in and was riding your butt while you were on the treadmill and kept asking all day when you weren't going to be fat anymore. This stuff takes time. If you wouldn't keep complaining about these problems, CCP wouldn't have to think of new ideas to implement to keep you happy while the lag and desync is being fixed. Again, for the love of Pod, Take a chill pill. Its healthy to release some anger verbally, but thats what you have pets for. As for Gm Wrangler. Give him a break, he is doing damn good at his job while having all you on his back. Keep up the Pwnage Wrangler.



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