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AnarchistUK
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:12:00 -
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This game is borderline screwed. With so many ships, pods, implants being lost due to desyncs (not talking about normal lag here) since Rev 2. Patches have been released to address the desyncs (so CCP admit there are issues), only for their logs to show nothing when you lose your beloved ship. They give you the copy and paste treatment in petitions? Fine! I've set a long skill on both accounts and payments stopped. They want to fob us off with copy and paste? Then they don't get our money.
This is the only way for CCP to acknowledge, we don't want new shiney stuff, we want the damn game fixed and reimburse for THEIR server issues!!!
Set a long skill, end the payments, sign the forum. They can't ban us all!!!
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Katarina Hetiako
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:15:00 -
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Nooooooooooooooo!
Another whine...
Please dear god, if you have something to say, write to CCP (or stick it in the many threads that already exsit), I've read this particualar whine so many times I'll probably go to the grave with it on my mind!
If you don't like it, you are in full control of your subscription.
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Paddlefoot Aeon
Neogen Industries Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:16:00 -
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/Signed
Fix the game please! -----------------------------------------------
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:16:00 -
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"***" is the captivating cognomen of a Young Woman of cambridge, mass. to whom nobody seems to have mentioned ye olde freudian wish; when i contemplate her uneyes safely ensconced in thick glass you try if we are a gentleman not to think of(sh)
the world renowned investigator of paper sailors--argonauta argo harmoniously being with his probably most brilliant pupil mated, let us not deem it miraculous if their(so to speak)offspring has that largo appearance of somebody who was hectocotyliferously propagated
when Miss G touched n.y. our skeleton stepped from his cupboard gallantly offering to demonstrate the biggest best busiest city and presently found himself rattling for that well known suburb the bronx(enlivening an otherwise dead silence with harmless quips, out of Briggs by Kitty)
arriving in an exhausted condition, i purchased two bags of lukewarm peanuts with the dime which her mama had generously provided(despite courte- ous protestations) and offering Miss *** one(which she politely refused)set out gaily for the hyenas suppressing my frank qualms in deference to her not inobvious perturba- tions
unhappily, the denizens of the zoo were that day inclined to be uncouthly erotic more particularly the primates--from which with dignity square feet turned abruptly Miss *** away: "on the whole"(if you will permit a metaphor savouring slightly of the demotic) Miss *** had nothing to say to the animals and the animals had nothing to say to Miss ***
during our return voyage, my pensive companion dimly remarlted some- thing about "stuffed fauna" being "very interesting" . . . we also discussed the possibility of rain. . . E distant proximity to a Y.W.c.a. she suddenly luffed --thanking me; and(stating that she hoped we might "meet again sometime")vanished, gunwale awash. I thereupon loosened my collar and dove for the nearest l; surreptitiously cogitating the dictum of a new england sculptor(well on in life)re the helen moller dancers, whom he considered "elevating--that is, if dancing CAN be ele- vating"
Miss(believe it or)*** is a certain Young Woman unacquainted with the libido and pursuing a course of instruction at radcliffe college, cambridge, mass. i try if you are a gentleman not to sense something un poco putrido when we contemplate her uneyes safely ensconced in thick glass
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:17:00 -
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/signed
Term "fleet battles" is a false advertisement in the marketing campaign of EvE
== Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
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Nightbird
Neogen Industries Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:17:00 -
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/signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
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Ggrimreaper
Dreamscape Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:19:00 -
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/signed and at the first reply, if you read he says he has cancelled subscription etc... but even with everyone cancelling the issue isn't going to go away..
ok by us all signing this it won't either but hopefully the more posts like this there are the sooner they will realise these issue STILL exist and will either fix them or refund losses..
there have been billions of isks lost due to this bug.
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:27:00 -
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Owned?
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Bwahahahahaha! Owned. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION | Forum Whiners - Unite! |
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Ggrimreaper
Dreamscape Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:28:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
with all due respect Wrangler I know of at least a dozen ppl from our alliance who have quit and i know of quite a few more thinking about it...
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Katarina Hetiako
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:29:00 -
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I think it is Sparta Alliance that's broken...
That's what you get from inheriting territory hanging onto the tails of MC's assault up north, say are you guys BoB pets?
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Sir Appa
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:31:00 -
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null Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
/Signed. Maybe it's time you found a better way to do things. Would you like to watch a fleet battle to get things strait? oh wait, no, that wouldn't work you wouldn't be able to see anything because your screen would probably freeze up, or you'd end up at the login screen.
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Maeltstome
Minmatar Caldari Navy Raiders Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Thats borderline flaming, and sounds very unethical coming from a CCP employee.
Desync and lag are 2 diffrent things. i've never had a desync, but im sure i'd be ****ed off if i had to deal with loosing iskies due to the inability of eve's code to deal with large numbers of people in 1 system.
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oniplE
NED-Clan R i s e
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
I think we can all agree on the fact that the increase was not caused by improved game stability :)
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elohllird
Gallente Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Not funny wrangler baby, engage brain before making off the cuff remarks.
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Prydeless
Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Freakin pwned
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C601
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: An Anarchyyt Owned?
He maybe, but if Wrangler is right with higher numbers, that can only mean more lag. The only people who will be "owned" is the paying customer.
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Barkode
Fourth Dimension
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:32:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Selling out will get you everywhere.
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AnarchistUK
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:32:00 -
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Edited by: AnarchistUK on 01/08/2007 23:33:23
Originally by: Katarina Hetiako I think it is Sparta Alliance that's broken...
That's what you get from inheriting territory hanging onto the tails of MC's assault up north, say are you guys BoB pets?
This is about the game mechanics, not war... if anyone has experienced desyncs and get jack in their petitions (server logs show nothing blah blah blah), then read original thread. This is purely about the mechanics and CCP should stop copy and pasting.
As for being OWNED? wtf? lol of course CCP will say that... they can't look bad in the public eye! Oh noes!
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: AnarchistUK Edited by: AnarchistUK on 01/08/2007 23:33:23
Originally by: Katarina Hetiako I think it is Sparta Alliance that's broken...
That's what you get from inheriting territory hanging onto the tails of MC's assault up north, say are you guys BoB pets?
This is about the game mechanics, not war... if anyone has experienced desyncs and get jack in their petitions (server logs show nothing blah blah blah), then read original thread. This is purely about the mechanics and CCP should stop copy and pasting.
As for being OWNED? wtf? lol of course CCP will say that... they can't look bad in the public eye! Oh noes!
So what do you want them to do about it aside from fix it? And how are you helping this fixing process? I'm sure you've filed detailed bug reports every time you've encountered a desync, right? ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION | Forum Whiners - Unite! |
Mari Onette
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Mari Onette on 01/08/2007 23:40:47
Originally by: Ggrimreaper
with all due respect Wrangler I know of at least a dozen ppl from our alliance who have quit and i know of quite a few more thinking about it...
I thought Spartans were supposed to fight to the (node) death...
As an aside, I don't mind that older players are leaving the game. It means 1 less 3 year old player with a dreadnaught that I have to worry about. The loss of players with lots of experience is saddening, and it is saddening to those who knew the players, but from a gameplay standpoint it is not that bad, provided you are getting new players and retaining them (which ccp is doing a fairly good job at I'd say).
Old players leaving means that there is a power vacuum that newer players can fill. It's sad to see old faces go, but it's even cooler to meet new awesome people. ------ I am in blood! Stepp'd in so far that, should I wade no more, it would be as tedious as going over. -MacBeth |
Fader Bane
Black Knight Buccaneers Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:36:00 -
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please lock this thread. its even causing CCP members to flame. ________________________________________
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Ggrimreaper
Dreamscape Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Katarina Hetiako I think it is Sparta Alliance that's broken...
That's what you get from inheriting territory hanging onto the tails of MC's assault up north, say are you guys BoB pets?
and again with all due respect, YOU KNOW NOTHING!!! and more importantly THIS IS NOT ABOUT SPARTA.. ignore the corps or the alliances in this and read the text.. it's is saying the game is broken due to desyncs and it's annoying various ppl.. I know of several alliances/Corps who have suffered from this, latest of which is MC today..
now on a side note, before trying to slag SPARTA off I suggest you do some reading about us first, you will find that we fought MC when they came up here, we lost billions fighting them.. and for our reward we were shot at by blues..
there's several posts here and on EVE tribune...
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Katarina Hetiako
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mari Onette I thought Spartans were supposed to fight to the (node) death...
I did too, but seems it is Sparta by name and not by nature...
Good point about the bug reports, if you're in a posistion to experience these things, bug report them and help CCP help you!
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:39:00 -
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Originally by: Ggrimreaper
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
with all due respect Wrangler I know of at least a dozen ppl from our alliance who have quit and i know of quite a few more thinking about it...
Well, the average time a person stays with a MMOG is somewhere between 6 and 12 months, very roughly, so any corporation or alliance would have people joining and leaving at any time.
I'm not saying there aren't issues with EVE, though we do work hard to get things resolved, we're constantly working on improving hardware, software and content.
But I see the subscription numbers, and the idea that EVE is going to die because people are leaving is simply not true, those subscription numbers go up every month.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ggrimreaper before trying to slag SPARTA off I suggest you do some reading about us first, you will find that we fought MC when they came up here, we lost billions fighting them.. and for our reward we were shot at by blues..
But, that's...that is Blasphemy! That's madness! ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION | Forum Whiners - Unite! |
AnarchistUK
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:42:00 -
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THEY HAVE GAGGED ME FOR PASTING THIS LINK IN JITA....
You have been gagged by GM Faolchu until 2007.08.02 01:36:09. GM Faolchu's reason was: Swearing in Public Chat Channels.
I didn't swear at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They think they can shut us up?!
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Nightbird
Neogen Industries Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:44:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
So then wrangler, allow me to ask the following questions:
1. Why do you feel new customer acquisition is more important than customer retention? 2. After that fleet battle in UEJ last week, how many subscriptions did you lose in the following 24-hour period? I personally expect that the number is more than 5 times your normal account loss per day. 3. In the past month, has the average number of skill points in eve, based on active subscriptions, increased or decreased. 4. Why has the escalated petition of a senior player and alliance leader, who himself has several characters well over 35 million skill points, not been responded to. 5. Why, despite numerous petitions of the same issue, do the GMs continue to respond with the same copy/paste response? 6. Why have GMs closed petitions and threatened with players with disciplinary action when time and time again it is clear that there IS a problem, server logs notwithstanding.
Lastly.... you seem to have missed the point of this thread. The issue is quality, not quantity of the player base. There are, I'm sure, several accounts that quit every day, and there are new players who replace the old. Such is the natural life cycle of the game.
But, when many of your older, more experienced players, players who have contributed wads of real-world cash over multiple years for multiple accounts, tell you there is a problem with your product, you have to listen. You have to investigate, and you have to act.
Worse... your game advertises "Massive Fleet Battles"... and I can think of several incidents in the past week alone where this has been proven blatantly false.
I say that your customer service is lacking, simply because you are misrepresenting your product and service incorrectly. That, above all else, is a disservice to your customers.
Yes... I could just quit, but I've put far too much time and effort into my characters, and have gone through too much with my corp and alliance to simply call up the account management page and select quit. I'm just staying around, patiently hoping that CCP is able to fix this critical issue. But there are limits to everyone's patience.
Increased concurrent user records mean nothing if the game cannot function as it was designed.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Nightbird 4. Why has the escalated petition of a senior player and alliance leader, who himself has several characters well over 35 million skill points, not been responded to.
Yes. I would also like to know why this person hasn't been treated better than everyone else, and allowed access to the REAL Eve that never has any lag, and no spam, and no farmers, and no whining?
Seriously. What a world we live in where older players don't get special treatment! Damn all you to hell!
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Nightbird
Neogen Industries Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:48:00 -
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Edited by: Nightbird on 01/08/2007 23:49:05 Edited by: Nightbird on 01/08/2007 23:48:39
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: Nightbird 4. Why has the escalated petition of a senior player and alliance leader, who himself has several characters well over 35 million skill points, not been responded to.
Yes. I would also like to know why this person hasn't been treated better than everyone else, and allowed access to the REAL Eve that never has any lag, and no spam, and no farmers, and no whining?
Seriously. What a world we live in where older players don't get special treatment! Damn all you to hell!
When you are asked, BY A GM, to put in a petition on behalf of several alliances, and your petition is then ignored, that's the problem.
Did CCP really want to address the issue, or simply brush off one petition instead of ignoring hundreds?
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Harleigh
Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: Harleigh on 01/08/2007 23:51:18
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Ggrimreaper
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
with all due respect Wrangler I know of at least a dozen ppl from our alliance who have quit and i know of quite a few more thinking about it...
Well, the average time a person stays with a MMOG is somewhere between 6 and 12 months, very roughly, so any corporation or alliance would have people joining and leaving at any time.
I'm not saying there aren't issues with EVE, though we do work hard to get things resolved, we're constantly working on improving hardware, software and content.
But I see the subscription numbers, and the idea that EVE is going to die because people are leaving is simply not true, those subscription numbers go up every month.
Wow .. so the best you could come up with is .. why bother fixing things .. just deny it cause people are stupid enough to subscribe anyways?
The number that is important is not the number of new subscriptions but your retention numbers. Any moron in the MMO community knows that a lot of business is generated by word of mouth. How long you think the new memberships are gonna continue when the COMMUNITY starts to complain to each other about the lack of effort being put into fixing your game or someone emails pcgamer your dumbass quote in this thread ?
Grow a brain and do not speak to us like we're morons ..
A lot of issues that fleets are facing are being documented in this thread as well :
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Nightbird
Neogen Industries Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Oh.... and I never said that your subscription numbers were decreasing. I'm saying that you are losing paying customers due to a problem that you won't acknowledge.
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: AmusedVermin Hmmm...
And the issue here is subscriptions. . .
Good call Wrangler. Hope all CCP are as sharp a cookie as you.
/ signed
Well, that comment was about the idea some people has that EVE is dying because everyone is leaving, which isn't true.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:51:00 -
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Originally by: Nightbird Edited by: Nightbird on 01/08/2007 23:49:05 Edited by: Nightbird on 01/08/2007 23:48:39
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: Nightbird 4. Why has the escalated petition of a senior player and alliance leader, who himself has several characters well over 35 million skill points, not been responded to.
Yes. I would also like to know why this person hasn't been treated better than everyone else, and allowed access to the REAL Eve that never has any lag, and no spam, and no farmers, and no whining?
Seriously. What a world we live in where older players don't get special treatment! Damn all you to hell!
When you are asked, BY A GM, to put in a petition on behalf of several alliances, and your petition is then ignored, that's the problem.
Did CCP really want to address the issue, or simply brush off one petition instead of ignoring hundreds?
And you have indisputable proof that it was "ignored", right?
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Price Watcher
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:51:00 -
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With all due respect.
Wrangler, CCP has a monopoly on space combat simulators online, at this time.
What would happen if another corporation, say BLIZZARD, put in a "Privateer Online"? What if there was no (or near as makes no odds) lag? Even if it was sharded this new game would get a lot of subscribers.
Right now you have no competition in this niche market.
Don't let that make you lazy, or arrogant.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Nightbird Oh.... and I never said that your subscription numbers were decreasing. I'm saying that you are losing paying customers due to a problem that you won't acknowledge.
Which problem is it we won't acknowledge?
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:52:00 -
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I can see how CCP's GMs are in a tough spot with this. If desynch isn't showing up in the logs, then their standard "if we can't see it, we can't reimburse it" policy screws over a lot of players. But if they just say "you have an honest face, here's your ship," then they run the very real risk of being buried under a mountain of whine.
Of course, the thing that gives me the higgly wigglies is the idea that, if the GMs don't have the tools to detect the problems, how in the hell are the coders going to fix it? _
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Harleigh
Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:55:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird Oh.... and I never said that your subscription numbers were decreasing. I'm saying that you are losing paying customers due to a problem that you won't acknowledge.
Which problem is it we won't acknowledge?
/me covers herself in vasiline, and holds up a huge flaming billboard
<<<<DESYNCH>>>>
WE CAN"T SEE THE DAM HOSTILES JUMPING IN ON US A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME ..
Clear enough ?
You not able to read a friggin Thread title? or read the rest of the forum posts ?
P.S.. Wrangler .. I want your job .. cause it sounds like a permanent vacation from reality :)
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Nightbird
Neogen Industries Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:56:00 -
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Edited by: Nightbird on 02/08/2007 00:01:23
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird Oh.... and I never said that your subscription numbers were decreasing. I'm saying that you are losing paying customers due to a problem that you won't acknowledge.
Which problem is it we won't acknowledge?
See Harleigh's post above mine
Here is a brief review:
Case 1: I'm getting shot I warp to a POS I sit in the POS bubble.... yet I'm still taking damage I get my POD mail... while sitting in the POS with 50% structure left
or Case 2: I'm sitting on a gate, defending Enemies jump in I never see an enemy, and neither do most of my gangmates My client goes non-responsive, and I have to log after waiting 15 minutes. I can't log back in for 30 minutes When I do get back in... I'm dead BUT..... server logs don't show anything
...and that's because there is a desynchronization (desync) between my client and the server. Not lag (delay in ship response, modules not activating, etc), but desync.
But... our petitions are ignored or closed, and threads (other than this one, evidently) cannot get a meaningful response from CCP.
All we want (before a fix) is a CCP rep to say "We realize there is a serious problem, and we are doing our best to fix this as quickly as we can."
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: Harleigh
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird Oh.... and I never said that your subscription numbers were decreasing. I'm saying that you are losing paying customers due to a problem that you won't acknowledge.
Which problem is it we won't acknowledge?
/me covers herself in vasiline, and holds up a huge flaming billboard
<<<<DESYNCH>>>>
WE CAN"T SEE THE DAM HOSTILES JUMPING IN ON US A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME ..
Clear enough ?
You not able to read a friggin Thread title? or read the rest of the forum posts ?
P.S.. Wrangler .. I want your job .. cause it sounds like a permanent vacation from reality :)
It gets a bit confused at times.
Desynch is being worked on, we've even had a thread in the Game Development Forum for a month asking for assistance, right here.
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Russell Simmons
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:57:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: AmusedVermin Hmmm...
And the issue here is subscriptions. . .
Good call Wrangler. Hope all CCP are as sharp a cookie as you.
/ signed
Well, that comment was about the idea some people has that EVE is dying because everyone is leaving, which isn't true.
Is Eve dying for another reason?
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Russell Simmons Is Eve dying for another reason?
No, EVE is not dying at all. Be nice, it's 2 am...
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oniplE
NED-Clan R i s e
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Posted - 2007.08.01 23:58:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Harleigh
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird Oh.... and I never said that your subscription numbers were decreasing. I'm saying that you are losing paying customers due to a problem that you won't acknowledge.
Which problem is it we won't acknowledge?
/me covers herself in vasiline, and holds up a huge flaming billboard
<<<<DESYNCH>>>>
WE CAN"T SEE THE DAM HOSTILES JUMPING IN ON US A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME ..
Clear enough ?
You not able to read a friggin Thread title? or read the rest of the forum posts ?
P.S.. Wrangler .. I want your job .. cause it sounds like a permanent vacation from reality :)
They acknowlegde it, they just dont compensate the customers affected by it. Subtle difference, not less annoying though.
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sparkvolt
Praetorian BlackGuard Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:01:00 -
[45]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Ignorance is bliss...
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:02:00 -
[46]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Russell Simmons Is Eve dying for another reason?
No, EVE is not dying at all. Be nice, it's 2 am...
Are you sure? Because I heard it has Mad Cow Disease....
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Price Watcher
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:02:00 -
[47]
Right now CCP has no real competition in space combat simulators.
You have grown fat and lazy.
Well, everyone knows what happens when the lean and hungry come upon the fat and lazy.
A barbeque!
Some day you will have competition. It will be lean and hungry....
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Russell Simmons Is Eve dying for another reason?
No, EVE is not dying at all. Be nice, it's 2 am...
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Ggrimreaper
Dreamscape Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:02:00 -
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i appreciate you need help finding desync cause, but you can't exactly run the logserver whilst waiting for a 200 man gang to jump in on you, as you need as much bandwidth as poss to reduce Lag..
were in a catch 22 situation with this..
run the logserver program and you increase Lag don't run it you can't fix the issues...
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Katarina Hetiako
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:02:00 -
[49]
Yup, it's been acknowledged, as Wrangler said they've even asked the player base to help in trying to resolve it, but some just come on here shouting 'fix it now' I'm sure they must see how this isn't helpful?
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:02:00 -
[50]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Russell Simmons Is Eve dying for another reason?
No, EVE is not dying at all. Be nice, it's 2 am...
So go to bed. We can ***** and scream just fine without you. _
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Harleigh
Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:03:00 -
[51]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Harleigh
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird Oh.... and I never said that your subscription numbers were decreasing. I'm saying that you are losing paying customers due to a problem that you won't acknowledge.
Which problem is it we won't acknowledge?
/me covers herself in vasiline, and holds up a huge flaming billboard
<<<<DESYNCH>>>>
WE CAN"T SEE THE DAM HOSTILES JUMPING IN ON US A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME ..
Clear enough ?
You not able to read a friggin Thread title? or read the rest of the forum posts ?
P.S.. Wrangler .. I want your job .. cause it sounds like a permanent vacation from reality :)
It gets a bit confused at times.
Desynch is being worked on, we've even had a thread in the Game Development Forum for a month asking for assistance, right here.
Be GENTILE ?
10 FRIGGIN DAYS not a single response to an alliance level petition in the Senior GM queue that whiped out a whole fleet .. and has been documented by numerous parties to have occured with at least 4 other large fleet engagements and caused the loss of a MS today and 14,000 + reads of my CAOD thread without a single resonse from a dev ..
And you want me to be gentle ? ...we're way beond that dude ..
/me slathers on more vasiline .. :P
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:04:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Ggrimreaper i appreciate you need help finding desync cause, but you can't exactly run the logserver whilst waiting for a 200 man gang to jump in on you, as you need as much bandwidth as poss to reduce Lag..
were in a catch 22 situation with this..
run the logserver program and you increase Lag don't run it you can't fix the issues...
I believe...I haven't tried it myself....but try running the Log Server in Server mode. That should help.
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Harleigh
Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: Katarina Hetiako Yup, it's been acknowledged, as Wrangler said they've even asked the player base to help in trying to resolve it, but some just come on here shouting 'fix it now' I'm sure they must see how this isn't helpful?
Crawl back into your hole ...
And keeping our mouths shut is getting it fixed soooo much faster ..
Funny that wrangler said it is still being worked on and acknowledged it's presence as an ongoing problem cause according to the petitions we have filed .. it was fixed in the last patch and does not occur according to their 'logs"
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Harleigh Be GENTILE ?
10 FRIGGIN DAYS not a single response to an alliance level petition in the Senior GM queue that whiped out a whole fleet .. and has been documented by numerous parties to have occured with at least 4 other large fleet engagements and caused the loss of a MS today and 14,000 + reads of my CAOD thread without a single resonse from a dev ..
And you want me to be gentle ? ...we're way beond that dude ..
/me slathers on more vasiline .. :P
First, I didn't ask you to be gentle in the post you quoted. Second, a gentile is a non jewish person and third, and most important, the senior GM queue is for cases that take a lot of investigation and therefore it takes a bit more time. We also take all petitions in the order they come in, the GMs will get to yours when they handled the ones who were submitted before it.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:08:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Harleigh
Originally by: Katarina Hetiako Yup, it's been acknowledged, as Wrangler said they've even asked the player base to help in trying to resolve it, but some just come on here shouting 'fix it now' I'm sure they must see how this isn't helpful?
Crawl back into your hole ...
And keeping our mouths shut is getting it fixed soooo much faster ..
Funny that wrangler said it is still being worked on and acknowledged it's presence as an ongoing problem cause according to the petitions we have filed .. it was fixed in the last patch and does not occur according to their 'logs"
It doesn't occur in their logs because their logs are server logs. The issue is the client getting out of sync with the server. In other words, the server things everything is fine. And the client is in another place, thinking everything is fine. So, there will be no error on the server side.
Companied by the fact that they do not have a 6 figure staff at CCP to try and recreate the amount of load on Tranquaility, added with the fact that no one there (to my knowledge), has ESP...must mean that it is possible to have thought they had fixed it, but in fact it did not.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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AnarchistUK
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:08:00 -
[56]
"Due to our logs, CCP does not acknowledge you. Have a nice day."
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Harleigh
Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:12:00 -
[57]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Harleigh Be GENTILE ?
10 FRIGGIN DAYS not a single response to an alliance level petition in the Senior GM queue that whiped out a whole fleet .. and has been documented by numerous parties to have occured with at least 4 other large fleet engagements and caused the loss of a MS today and 14,000 + reads of my CAOD thread without a single resonse from a dev ..
And you want me to be gentle ? ...we're way beond that dude ..
/me slathers on more vasiline .. :P
First, I didn't ask you to be gentle in the post you quoted. Second, a gentile is a non jewish person and third, and most important, the senior GM queue is for cases that take a lot of investigation and therefore it takes a bit more time. We also take all petitions in the order they come in, the GMs will get to yours when they handled the ones who were submitted before it.
WOW .. so stumped for an answer you have to pick on a spelling mistake and use a cut and paste GM response ..
Then we wonder why there are code bugs ..
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Katarina Hetiako
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:14:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Harleigh
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Harleigh Be GENTILE ?
10 FRIGGIN DAYS not a single response to an alliance level petition in the Senior GM queue that whiped out a whole fleet .. and has been documented by numerous parties to have occured with at least 4 other large fleet engagements and caused the loss of a MS today and 14,000 + reads of my CAOD thread without a single resonse from a dev ..
And you want me to be gentle ? ...we're way beond that dude ..
/me slathers on more vasiline .. :P
First, I didn't ask you to be gentle in the post you quoted. Second, a gentile is a non jewish person and third, and most important, the senior GM queue is for cases that take a lot of investigation and therefore it takes a bit more time. We also take all petitions in the order they come in, the GMs will get to yours when they handled the ones who were submitted before it.
WOW .. so stumped for an answer you have to pick on a spelling mistake and use a cut and paste GM response ..
Then we wonder why there are code bugs ..
Heh, Crawl back in your hole! (I always wanted to say that, did I sound tough like you?)
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Mari Onette
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:17:00 -
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I thought Spartans were not supposed to be verbose either. ------ I am in blood! Stepp'd in so far that, should I wade no more, it would be as tedious as going over. -MacBeth |
Harleigh
Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:19:00 -
[60]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Harleigh WOW .. so stumped for an answer you have to pick on a spelling mistake and use a cut and paste GM response ..
Then we wonder why there are code bugs ..
Well, it was a funny spelling mistake, I saw one Oveur made a while that was better, he spelled whether wether, which means castrated male sheep.
It's not a cut and paste GM response, we have different queues with different levels of priority, the senior GM queue is one of those, and once a petition is escalated to that queue it gets dealt with in the order it arrived, and obviously it can take more time to investigate some issues than others. That's explaining how the queue works.
Common courtosy would have someone atleast send a "yeah we are still working on it message" or are the Senior gm's that busy investigating bugs? ...
Wait .. i know .. maybe they are too busy in their alliances with all the wars going on ... whoops .. not allowed to bring that one up ... :P
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Katarina Hetiako
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mari Onette I thought Spartans were not supposed to be verbose either.
Sparta seem to have no idea about Spartans tbh, obviously they are not role playing.
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AnarchistUK
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:19:00 -
[62]
Please revert back to the original post. Stop stroking each other and let others sign and disable their accounts. Set a long skill, bring it back online when you think CCP need your money
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Katarina Hetiako
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:22:00 -
[63]
Originally by: AnarchistUK Please revert back to the original post. Stop stroking each other and let others sign and disable their accounts. Set a long skill, bring it back online when you think CCP need your money
Seems the only people signing this are Sparta, I assume the others affected by de-sync losses are waiting for their response without feeling the need to come and shout about it on the forums.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:22:00 -
[64]
Originally by: AnarchistUK Please revert back to the original post. Stop stroking each other and let others sign and disable their accounts. Set a long skill, bring it back online when you think CCP need your money
I suppose you filed bug reports every time you experienced a desync, right? Because those are what helps CCP fix the issue. And you posted in the ongoing desync-thread that the devs have been reading? What, no? You'd rather rant about it in General Discussion? Sorry, my sympathy is lacking.
------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION | Forum Whiners - Unite! |
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Harleigh Common courtosy would have someone atleast send a "yeah we are still working on it message" or are the Senior gm's that busy investigating bugs? ...
Wait .. i know .. maybe they are too busy in their alliances with all the wars going on ... whoops .. not allowed to bring that one up ... :P
Well, that's a bit of personal preference, some people complain if they get automated responses, some want it on a daily basis and some seems to want it hourly, but of course the senior GMs will get to that petition as soon as the ones that came in before are dealt with. But we do tell people that if a petition is escalated to the senior GM queue it can take a while because those petitions usually require a lot of investigation.
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Katarina Hetiako
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:23:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: AnarchistUK Please revert back to the original post. Stop stroking each other and let others sign and disable their accounts. Set a long skill, bring it back online when you think CCP need your money
I suppose you filed bug reports every time you experienced a desync, right? Because those are what helps CCP fix the issue. And you posted in the ongoing desync-thread that the devs have been reading? What, no? You'd rather rant about it in General Discussion? Sorry, my sympathy is lacking.
/signed
Not the op, but the man above.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:24:00 -
[67]
the waaaahmbulance is broken now
got a problem, leave, and quit being a freaken forum drama queen, plenty of new people with less bad attitude to fill your place Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
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AnarchistUK
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:24:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: AnarchistUK Please revert back to the original post. Stop stroking each other and let others sign and disable their accounts. Set a long skill, bring it back online when you think CCP need your money
I suppose you filed bug reports every time you experienced a desync, right? Because those are what helps CCP fix the issue. And you posted in the ongoing desync-thread that the devs have been reading? What, no? You'd rather rant about it in General Discussion? Sorry, my sympathy is lacking.
I don't want your sympathy? It's about all of us being given copy and paste in desync petitions. As for reporting bugs, done and failed. They don't care, but they will with people's accounts going on hold whilst long skills train.
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Fader Bane
Black Knight Buccaneers Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:25:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: AnarchistUK Please revert back to the original post. Stop stroking each other and let others sign and disable their accounts. Set a long skill, bring it back online when you think CCP need your money
I suppose you filed bug reports every time you experienced a desync, right? Because those are what helps CCP fix the issue. And you posted in the ongoing desync-thread that the devs have been reading? What, no? You'd rather rant about it in General Discussion? Sorry, my sympathy is lacking.
actually we have. know the facts before you post. ________________________________________
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CCP Wrangler
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: AnarchistUK I don't want your sympathy? It's about all of us being given copy and paste in desync petitions. As for reporting bugs, done and failed. They don't care, but they will with people's accounts going on hold whilst long skills train.
How did you fail at reporting bugs?
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Aldir Rundal
Gallente The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:26:00 -
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Wrangler > Forum Warrior Mode: Engaged.
Film at 11!
Seriously people, they'll get to it when they get to it, and they're working on fixing the problem, do you honestly believe that they've stopped doing so? Or that they don't care that their game isn't working properly? To top it all off do you really believe that all they care about is subcriptions? Go watch some fanfest videos, grow some sense and let it be. It's not going to be solved instantly.
To the Op: You realise that CCP diabled the use of Skill Training on inactive accounts eh?
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torswin
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:26:00 -
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can you castrate lady-sheep?
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AnarchistUK
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: AnarchistUK on 02/08/2007 00:32:02 Edited by: AnarchistUK on 02/08/2007 00:29:52 Edited by: AnarchistUK on 02/08/2007 00:28:41
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: AnarchistUK I don't want your sympathy? It's about all of us being given copy and paste in desync petitions. As for reporting bugs, done and failed. They don't care, but they will with people's accounts going on hold whilst long skills train.
How did you fail at reporting bugs?
Oh shut up and go to bed, you're causing this thread to fill up with repsonses to your lame comments. Nothing constructive to say, but cause hassle. Leave the thread please. oh and........ have a nice day.
THEY HAVE NOT STOPPED SKILL TRAINING WHILST ACCOUNTS ARE DISABLED.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:28:00 -
[74]
Originally by: AnarchistUK
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: AnarchistUK I don't want your sympathy? It's about all of us being given copy and paste in desync petitions. As for reporting bugs, done and failed. They don't care, but they will with people's accounts going on hold whilst long skills train.
How did you fail at reporting bugs?
Oh shut up and go to bed, you're causing this thread to fill up with repsonses to your lame comments. Nothing constructive to say, but cause hassle. Leave the thread. You've been told...... oh and........ have a nice day.
Because this thread was extremely constructive and full of intelligent posts at the beginning?
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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MrJordanIOI
Minmatar The Lantern Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:28:00 -
[75]
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Russell Simmons Is Eve dying for another reason?
No, EVE is not dying at all. Be nice, it's 2 am...
Are you sure? Because I heard it has Mad Cow Disease....
Yeah and there are some very anarchyyst bovines among us.
IOI
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Fader Bane
Black Knight Buccaneers Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:29:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Aldir Rundal Wrangler > Forum Warrior Mode: Engaged.
To the Op: You realise that CCP diabled the use of Skill Training on inactive accounts eh?
where are those patch notes?
wrangler has fulling trained the forum warrior kill tree. now he should work on company representative skills. ________________________________________
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:30:00 -
[77]
Edited by: Tarminic on 02/08/2007 00:33:48
Originally by: AnarchistUK
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: AnarchistUK Please revert back to the original post. Stop stroking each other and let others sign and disable their accounts. Set a long skill, bring it back online when you think CCP need your money
I suppose you filed bug reports every time you experienced a desync, right? Because those are what helps CCP fix the issue. And you posted in the ongoing desync-thread that the devs have been reading? What, no? You'd rather rant about it in General Discussion? Sorry, my sympathy is lacking.
I don't want your sympathy? It's about all of us being given copy and paste in desync petitions. As for reporting bugs, done and failed. They don't care, but they will with people's accounts going on hold whilst long skills train.
So you're suggesting that CCP does not care about the desync issue because you haven't got your ships back when you petitioned? I believe the real reason for this is because unless CCP's server logs don't show desyncs, which means that anyone could "fake" a desync petition if they felt like it. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION | Forum Whiners - Unite! |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:30:00 -
[78]
Originally by: MrJordanIOI
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Russell Simmons Is Eve dying for another reason?
No, EVE is not dying at all. Be nice, it's 2 am...
Are you sure? Because I heard it has Mad Cow Disease....
Yeah and there are some very anarchyyst bovines among us.
IOI
I have noooooooooooooo idea what you mean.....at least, I think I am not a cow (or bull).
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Aldir Rundal
Gallente The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:31:00 -
[79]
Originally by: AnarchistUK
THEY HAVE NO STOPPED SKILL TRAINING WHILST ACCOUNTS ARE DISABLED.
I do believe the phrase: "Proof or STFU" would be appropriate.
My proof is in the patch notes.
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Katarina Hetiako
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:31:00 -
[80]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: AnarchistUK I don't want your sympathy? It's about all of us being given copy and paste in desync petitions. As for reporting bugs, done and failed. They don't care, but they will with people's accounts going on hold whilst long skills train.
How did you fail at reporting bugs?
Seeing as the OP decide to tell you to shut up, but knowing I shouldn't get involved, I believe he means 'Bug reports were posted but 'CCP' have failed to do anything'.
Please correct me if I'm wrong OP.
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MrJordanIOI
Minmatar The Lantern Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:32:00 -
[81]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Ggrimreaper
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
with all due respect Wrangler I know of at least a dozen ppl from our alliance who have quit and i know of quite a few more thinking about it...
Well, the average time a person stays with a MMOG is somewhere between 6 and 12 months, very roughly, so any corporation or alliance would have people joining and leaving at any time.
I'm not saying there aren't issues with EVE, though we do work hard to get things resolved, we're constantly working on improving hardware, software and content.
But I see the subscription numbers, and the idea that EVE is going to die because people are leaving is simply not true, those subscription numbers go up every month.
Does this mean with my 3 years I have outlived my Eve life and served the purpose, best ignored while paying and disposed of when being uncomfortable ?
Seriously believing that you improve the cluster, the game and content, but what you have failed in so far is to provide us with fleet battles that actually work.
IOI
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Aldir Rundal
Gallente The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic I believe the real reason for this is because unless CCP's server logs don't shoe desyncs, which means that anyone could "fake" a desync petition if they felt like it.
Yay! Somebody who thought about the subject!
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Fader Bane
Black Knight Buccaneers Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:33:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Aldir Rundal
Originally by: AnarchistUK
THEY HAVE NO STOPPED SKILL TRAINING WHILST ACCOUNTS ARE DISABLED.
I do believe the phrase: "Proof or STFU" would be appropriate.
My proof is in the patch notes.
do post the link. ________________________________________
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Athanasios Anastasiou
Art of War
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: AnarchistUK Edited by: AnarchistUK on 02/08/2007 00:32:02 Edited by: AnarchistUK on 02/08/2007 00:29:52 Edited by: AnarchistUK on 02/08/2007 00:28:41
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: AnarchistUK I don't want your sympathy? It's about all of us being given copy and paste in desync petitions. As for reporting bugs, done and failed. They don't care, but they will with people's accounts going on hold whilst long skills train.
How did you fail at reporting bugs?
Oh shut up and go to bed, you're causing this thread to fill up with repsonses to your lame comments. Nothing constructive to say, but cause hassle. Leave the thread please. oh and........ have a nice day.
THEY HAVE NOT STOPPED SKILL TRAINING WHILST ACCOUNTS ARE DISABLED.
The only one being unconstructive is you. At least wrangler is funny and does not act like a rabid 3 yr old.
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Mari Onette
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:38:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Price Watcher
Originally by: CCP Wrangler How did you fail at reporting bugs?
That's really arrogant and cold towards a paying customer.
Bug reporting is clumsy, stupid, and more trouble than a paying customer should have to put up with.
Perhaps you don't remember who really pays you. It's the paying customer.
Learn it, love it, live it.
He said he's canceling his account in protest. Hes not a paying customer. ------ I am in blood! Stepp'd in so far that, should I wade no more, it would be as tedious as going over. -MacBeth |
AnarchistUK
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:39:00 -
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All I have done is create a thread, for those people who have nothing but copy and paste from GM's in the petitions, with regards to desyncs. Nothing more, nothing less. Forum trolls need not apply.
"Due to our logs, CCP does not acknowledge you. Have a nice day." |
Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:40:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Price Watcher
Originally by: CCP Wrangler How did you fail at reporting bugs?
That's really arrogant and cold towards a paying customer.
Bug reporting is clumsy, stupid, and more trouble than a paying customer should have to put up with.
Perhaps you don't remember who really pays you. It's the paying customer.
Learn it, love it, live it.
hardly cold, he asked for clarification on said statment, in which the poster said they failed at bug reporting
and frankly bug reporting in eve is easier than in alot of other mmo's, where the gm's are arses Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:40:00 -
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Actually, all you did is create forum whine about the desync #3,415. And nothing constructive.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Aldir Rundal
Gallente The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:41:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Fader Bane
Originally by: Aldir Rundal
Originally by: AnarchistUK
THEY HAVE NO STOPPED SKILL TRAINING WHILST ACCOUNTS ARE DISABLED.
I do believe the phrase: "Proof or STFU" would be appropriate.
My proof is in the patch notes.
do post the link.
Apologies, You are correct, this is a myth. After viewing the patchnotes it states:
"On the Serenity server, skills no longer train when the owning account is deactivated. Tranquility is not affected by this change."
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AnarchistUK
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:45:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Aldir Rundal
Originally by: Fader Bane
Originally by: Aldir Rundal
Originally by: AnarchistUK
THEY HAVE NO STOPPED SKILL TRAINING WHILST ACCOUNTS ARE DISABLED.
I do believe the phrase: "Proof or STFU" would be appropriate.
My proof is in the patch notes.
do post the link.
Apologies, You are correct, this is a myth. After viewing the patchnotes it states:
"On the Serenity server, skills no longer train when the owning account is deactivated. Tranquility is not affected by this change."
Thank you for correcting this. Now sign this thread
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Lady Natacha
Minmatar Water and Power
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:47:00 -
[91]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Desynch is being worked on, we've even had a thread in the Game Development Forum for a month asking for assistance, right here.
Right, but why bury this thread asking for player input in the Game Development forum and not in the Known Issues and Workarounds forum where it rightfully belongs and would actually get some visibility and actual player response? Would too many of those new subscribers see it maybe?
In the mind of the English-speaking common man:
development = new stuff issues = bugs/problems
I really doubt anyone is looking for ways to solve their desync issues in a development forum.
250M implant may disappear: Linkage
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Zantrei Kordisin
True Centii
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:48:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Harleigh
/me covers herself in vasiline, and holds up a huge flaming billboard
<<<<DESYNCH>>>>
WE CAN"T SEE THE DAM HOSTILES JUMPING IN ON US A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME ..
Clear enough ?
You not able to read a friggin Thread title? or read the rest of the forum posts ?
I get the general impression that you aren't particularly bright.
Do you even know what desynch is? I bet half the people in this thread don't even have a clue. These issues aren't desynchs, desynchs are when your ships shows as being somewhere it isn't. That isn't the problem. This is lag.
Stop saying desynch, because these issues aren't ******* desynchs.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:49:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Lady Natacha
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Desynch is being worked on, we've even had a thread in the Game Development Forum for a month asking for assistance, right here.
Right, but why bury this thread asking for player input in the Game Development forum and not in the Known Issues and Workarounds forum where it rightfully belongs and would actually get some visibility and actual player response? Would too many of those new subscribers see it maybe?
In the mind of the English-speaking common man:
development = new stuff issues = bugs/problems
I really doubt anyone is looking for ways to solve their desync issues in a development forum.
Try the dictionary before you talk about the definition.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Montague Zooma
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:52:00 -
[94]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Hmmm. The game today seems much less stable, more buggy and yet has far more players than when I began playing about two years ago.
So I guess the lesson learned is the more you break the game, the more people will pay to play it?
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Mari Onette
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:52:00 -
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You know. The real question we should all be asking is
What is going to be the punishment of the developer who's typo created the desync bug?
May I recommend dumping them in a tub of molasses, then covering them in feathers and making them run around the office screaming something about someone replacing the fluid in their pod...
/gotta keep things interesting at CCP HQ after all //would make for good EvE TV too.... ------ I am in blood! Stepp'd in so far that, should I wade no more, it would be as tedious as going over. -MacBeth |
Ggrimreaper
Dreamscape Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:53:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Zantrei Kordisin
Originally by: Harleigh
/me covers herself in vasiline, and holds up a huge flaming billboard
<<<<DESYNCH>>>>
WE CAN"T SEE THE DAM HOSTILES JUMPING IN ON US A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME ..
Clear enough ?
You not able to read a friggin Thread title? or read the rest of the forum posts ?
I get the general impression that you aren't particularly bright.
Do you even know what desynch is? I bet half the people in this thread don't even have a clue. These issues aren't desynchs, desynchs are when your ships shows as being somewhere it isn't. That isn't the problem. This is lag.
Stop saying desynch, because these issues aren't ******* desynchs.
so me jumping into a POS fight shooting ppl then warping out to the sun shooting someone else there and warping back to the POS to my death.. and later reviewing combat logs seeing i never actually reached the sun... or if i did I died there.. as i never got warping to planet X moon X is lag is it???
NO THATS A DESYNC... so I suggest you stop assuming we don't know what we are talking about when we do...
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:54:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Mari Onette You know. The real question we should all be asking is
What is going to be the punishment of the developer who's typo created the desync bug?
May I recommend dumping them in a tub of molasses, then covering them in feathers and making them run around the office screaming something about someone replacing the fluid in their pod...
/gotta keep things interesting at CCP HQ after all //would make for good EvE TV too....
A typo would probably get caught by the compiler. Sadly I fear the desync bug is buried deep in the interactions between netcode, server code, and client code. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION | Forum Whiners - Unite! |
AnarchistUK
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:58:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Zantrei Kordisin
Originally by: Harleigh
/me covers herself in vasiline, and holds up a huge flaming billboard
<<<<DESYNCH>>>>
WE CAN"T SEE THE DAM HOSTILES JUMPING IN ON US A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME ..
Clear enough ?
You not able to read a friggin Thread title? or read the rest of the forum posts ?
I get the general impression that you aren't particularly bright.
Do you even know what desynch is? I bet half the people in this thread don't even have a clue. These issues aren't desynchs, desynchs are when your ships shows as being somewhere it isn't. That isn't the problem. This is lag.
Stop saying desynch, because these issues aren't ******* desynchs.
Hitting warp, screen stays at gate, but the server warps you off. Yes that's a desync.
Another example, sitting at a gate at jump range, 20 people jump on you, you lag (this is expected for 5 seconds with only 20 people jumping in), you hit jump, sorry you're over 2500mtrs away (yet at 0km when they jumped in) amd your screen hasn't moved, yet the client is desynced and you can't jump.
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Zantrei Kordisin
True Centii
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Posted - 2007.08.02 00:58:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Ggrimreaper
Originally by: Zantrei Kordisin
Originally by: Harleigh
/me covers herself in vasiline, and holds up a huge flaming billboard
<<<<DESYNCH>>>>
WE CAN"T SEE THE DAM HOSTILES JUMPING IN ON US A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME ..
Clear enough ?
You not able to read a friggin Thread title? or read the rest of the forum posts ?
I get the general impression that you aren't particularly bright.
Do you even know what desynch is? I bet half the people in this thread don't even have a clue. These issues aren't desynchs, desynchs are when your ships shows as being somewhere it isn't. That isn't the problem. This is lag.
Stop saying desynch, because these issues aren't ******* desynchs.
so me jumping into a POS fight shooting ppl then warping out to the sun shooting someone else there and warping back to the POS to my death.. and later reviewing combat logs seeing i never actually reached the sun... or if i did I died there.. as i never got warping to planet X moon X is lag is it???
NO THATS A DESYNC... so I suggest you stop assuming we don't know what we are talking about when we do...
Yeah, that's a desync. Not seeing people jump into you isn't desync. It's just getting old with everyone that gets even the slightest bit of lag runs around screaming OMG I GOT DESYNChED!!!1!ELEVEN! About half the issues people have talked about here have actually been desyncs. Please, for the love of god, shouting desync about every issue is just getting old. The issue is lag, desyncs have always been around. Lag causes desyncs. And desync is just a ridiculously annoying word.
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Lady Natacha
Minmatar Water and Power
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Posted - 2007.08.02 01:04:00 -
[100]
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: Lady Natacha
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Desynch is being worked on, we've even had a thread in the Game Development Forum for a month asking for assistance, right here.
Right, but why bury this thread asking for player input in the Game Development forum and not in the Known Issues and Workarounds forum where it rightfully belongs and would actually get some visibility and actual player response? Would too many of those new subscribers see it maybe?
In the mind of the English-speaking common man:
development = new stuff issues = bugs/problems
I really doubt anyone is looking for ways to solve their desync issues in a development forum.
Try the dictionary before you talk about the definition.
If you are going to be a troll, then proof or STFU. I also never used the word "definition" so refer to the dictionary yourself and take some reading comprehension classes while you are at it.
Quote: Known Issues & Workarounds Connectivity, software and hardware issues.
Quote:
Game Development Forum Test server feedback, comments to changes and fixes.
So which one of these 2 places above would you think to look for solutions to a problem you are having with the game software?
250M implant may disappear: Linkage
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Price Watcher
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Posted - 2007.08.02 01:05:00 -
[101]
Wrangler is canceling his account? Are you stoned?
Originally by: Mari Onette He said he's canceling his account in protest. Hes not a paying customer.
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Goca
KAOS. KA0S Theory
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Posted - 2007.08.02 01:06:00 -
[102]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: AmusedVermin Hmmm...
And the issue here is subscriptions. . .
Good call Wrangler. Hope all CCP are as sharp a cookie as you.
/ signed
Well, that comment was about the idea some people has that EVE is dying because everyone is leaving, which isn't true.
keep "fixing" the game like you "has" been and it may become true... You have a monopoly right now, that could change someday, remember that.
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Aldir Rundal
Gallente The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2007.08.02 01:10:00 -
[103]
Originally by: AnarchistUK
Thank you for correcting this. Now sign this thread
I'm not going to sign this thread. Based purely on the fact that Whining about desync's(which have been around forever, and were always treated as lag) and lag is not going to solve the problem.
To be completely honest, whining about desyncs and protesting them until they're gone is absurd. In all aspects of Eve, your client has to remain in contact with the server. How does it do this? By sending small pieces of information. If this were Space-Pong Online, we wouldn't have a desync problem because of the small amount of information required for it to function.
In Eve, however, there is so much information to relay that it is very unlikely that your client is in constant real-time contact with the server.
For Example: Your ship is flying through an asteroid pocket with 5 asteroids(names a1 through a5), In that pocket, You must relay: Your ships speed, it's direction, Range to a1, Range to a2, Range to a3, Range to a4, and Range to a5.
Now, throw in querries: Is Ship touching a1? Is Ship touching a2? Is Ship touching a3? Is Ship touching a4? Is Ship touching a5? Are the modlues active? All of this has to be done simultaneously, within miliseconds of eachother.
Let's add another piece, shall we? How about thirty thousand players at the same time, accross multiple places, all doing Much Much Much More complicated tasks than that one. All needing to be comunicated to at the same time, all needing the same information, and in a perfect world, all in real-time.
So how do you stop this from making the game turn-based? You limit how much information you're sending every second, so that it is manageable for both the server and the client. Tada, you are then always Slightly desynced from the server. Throw in some more lag, heavy amount of information for, say, a massive fleet battle, and tada, major, more noticable desyncs.
The problem is solve-able, but don't believe for a second that you are going to get rid of it for good, or that this is anything new. I remember something from a very long time ago, something about this being public knowledge in the eve-community, but I could be wrong.
Therefore, Not Signed.
Note: I have no qualifications in this field, and derived this, from what little knowledge I have on the subject, and some damned common sense. Flame away if you so desire.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.02 01:12:00 -
[104]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
In other news, CCP doesn't give a crap about their subscribers, they only care about subscriber numbers. It appears they are learning from SOE, a very successful MMORPG develop--oh wait...
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Aldir Rundal
Gallente The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2007.08.02 01:18:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
In other news, CCP doesn't give a crap about their subscribers, they only care about subscriber numbers. It appears they are learning from SOE, a very successful MMORPG develop--oh wait...
Wondered when you were going to show up
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 01:20:00 -
[106]
in other news, DS is wasting forum bandwid... oh wait Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
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Sephron Kintaka
Lynx Frontier Inc. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 01:23:00 -
[107]
It was indeed a funny spelling mistake. Your response, however, was demeaning and inappropriate. I think by this point, any 35 million SP player knows how the senior GM queue works. The point Harleigh is trying to make is that the standard senior GM queue is unacceptable in this case.
While we wait "up to two weeks," we've lost a substantial portion of the alliance to account cancellations and the rest of the alliance has been demoralized by the state of the mechanics of the game. If our alliance had some kind of acknowledgment from CCP, some kind of recognition that this desynching is an issue and that it is being worked on...... it would really mean a lot to us. But the longer CCP takes to do that, the more we are loosing.... day by day. So far all we have are smarta** comments and cut and paste responses.
We are long-time customers of CCP Games. We are frustrated and angry. As a representative of CCP and the developers in charge of maintaining and improving the game.... we're all looking to you for help.
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.08.02 01:28:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
In other news, CCP doesn't give a crap about their subscribers, they only care about subscriber numbers. It appears they are learning from SOE, a very successful MMORPG develop--oh wait...
It's too much work to hang onto the players that have been here 4+ years, as they are more demanding. I mean, why should CCP care? I pay the same ammount per month as the players who come & go every 6 to 12 months. How is a monthly sub from a 4 year vet like myself any better than from those 6 month turn-around players? News flash, it's not!
CCP will take the money any way they can get it... For every disgruntled long term vet that leaves the game, 5 bright eyed newbs are paying CCP a monthly sub for 6 months, who cares if they don't retain them, as long as they keep gaining subs, the accountants at CCP are happy, hence the comapny is happy. Screw the players who were the initial group who got CCP where they are today, we mean nothing to them, as we b!tch too much about the game flaws...
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Harleigh
Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 01:28:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Zantrei Kordisin
Originally by: Harleigh
/me covers herself in vasiline, and holds up a huge flaming billboard
<<<<DESYNCH>>>>
WE CAN"T SEE THE DAM HOSTILES JUMPING IN ON US A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME ..
Clear enough ?
You not able to read a friggin Thread title? or read the rest of the forum posts ?
I get the general impression that you aren't particularly bright.
Do you even know what desynch is? I bet half the people in this thread don't even have a clue. These issues aren't desynchs, desynchs are when your ships shows as being somewhere it isn't. That isn't the problem. This is lag.
Stop saying desynch, because these issues aren't ******* desynchs.
Do i know what a desynch is ?
Ummm ..actually in R/L I am a Senior Engineer in a fortune 500 company specializing in database performance for large customers .. U ?
And no .. it is NOT lag .. lag is expected and understandable ..
Desynch is the issue here ..
Highlighted in this thread...
desynch issues with fleet warefare
It contains numerous posts validating the issue including a screenshot of the MOM kill today getting hit from a hac 24 Au away ..
MOM desynched
My rebuke is substantiated with expamples and peer acknowledgement .. you .. need to actually read OP before responding..
Now run along troll ..
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Callthetruth
Caldari Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.08.02 01:30:00 -
[110]
ok so t heres very little CCP can do about this apart from discovering the key to faster than light communications. perhaps the ramsan will help a bit
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Herculite
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.02 01:32:00 -
[111]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Oh not a very good answer, not at all Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie |
Fanjita
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Posted - 2007.08.02 01:37:00 -
[112]
the whole thing is screwed up we had a gang lost to desynch everyone petitioned 2 people got there ships back 3 didn't when asked the reason for this discrepency they then took the other two peoples ships away. thats another 5 long term players who wont be playing for much longer.
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Buttes and
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Posted - 2007.08.02 01:38:00 -
[113]
Edited by: Buttes and on 02/08/2007 01:38:36
Originally by: Harleigh
Originally by: Zantrei Kordisin
Originally by: Harleigh
/me covers herself in vasiline, and holds up a huge flaming billboard
<<<<DESYNCH>>>>
WE CAN"T SEE THE DAM HOSTILES JUMPING IN ON US A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME ..
Clear enough ?
You not able to read a friggin Thread title? or read the rest of the forum posts ?
I get the general impression that you aren't particularly bright.
Do you even know what desynch is? I bet half the people in this thread don't even have a clue. These issues aren't desynchs, desynchs are when your ships shows as being somewhere it isn't. That isn't the problem. This is lag.
Stop saying desynch, because these issues aren't ******* desynchs.
Do i know what a desynch is ?
Ummm ..actually in R/L I am a Senior Engineer in a fortune 500 company specializing in database performance for large customers .. U ?
And no .. it is NOT lag .. lag is expected and understandable ..
Desynch is the issue here ..
Highlighted in this thread...
desynch issues with fleet warefare
It contains numerous posts validating the issue including a screenshot of the MOM kill today getting hit from a hac 24 Au away ..
MOM desynched
My rebuke is substantiated with expamples and peer acknowledgement .. you .. need to actually read OP before responding..
Now run along troll ..
I'm a blah blah blah with a blah blah blah .... wow really...I'm impressed that validates all your points.
Oh wait hang on a second.
What experience do you have with the eve code and server?? wait whats that...none...dear god say it ain't so.
So with your wealth of experience of the eve server maybe you could fix the issue instead of creating pointless forum posts when theres a thread asking for log servers and bug reports on it....oh wait you can obviously fix things faster by trolling here |
Price Watcher
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Posted - 2007.08.02 02:09:00 -
[114]
Another bend-over-and-spread-'em fanboy heard from.
Originally by: Herculite Edited by: Herculite on 02/08/2007 01:34:58
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Oh not a very good answer, not at all
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Harleigh Common courtosy would have someone atleast send a "yeah we are still working on it message" or are the Senior gm's that busy investigating bugs? ...
Wait .. i know .. maybe they are too busy in their alliances with all the wars going on ... whoops .. not allowed to bring that one up ... :P
Well, that's a bit of personal preference, some people complain if they get automated responses, some want it on a daily basis and some seems to want it hourly, but of course the senior GMs will get to that petition as soon as the ones that came in before are dealt with. But we do tell people that if a petition is escalated to the senior GM queue it can take a while because those petitions usually require a lot of investigation.
All I want to know is why you guys are fostering mega blobbing when your servers obviously have no chance in hell of handling it.
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2007.08.02 02:13:00 -
[115]
/signed
We are paying your salaries CCP. Get your **** together and quit selling a faulty product. RISE Recruitment Thread
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Mallikan
Gallente Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 02:28:00 -
[116]
Kudos to Wrangler for giving good response in the thread.
Next, how many of you morons know ANYTHING about running a massive, single-sharded game? Yelling at CCP and making threats to fix something like desync is like yelling at scientists to figure out a cure for cancer and NOW! Since some of you appear to be ******* geniuses on the matter, how about you fix it? Oh that's right, you're paying customers. So every car you've bought has been an experience in perfection? Or are you starting threads in the car forums? If you'd read the EVE news and the Issues threads you'd know that CCP is working on the issue.
I'm sorry I ever stumbled into this rotten thread. --- I Support The NOS Nerf! If anything just to make you mad.
Proud Member of FATAL Alliance
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HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.02 02:38:00 -
[117]
Wrangler has been a massive tool before he was officially on the CCP payroll, and it's nice to see that he's still a massive tool. At least you're consistent Wrangly-poo...
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Fader Bane
Black Knight Buccaneers Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 02:44:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Aldir Rundal
Originally by: AnarchistUK
Thank you for correcting this. Now sign this thread
I'm not going to sign this thread. Based purely on the fact that Whining about desync's(which have been around forever, and were always treated as lag) and lag is not going to solve the problem. ....
Note: I have no qualifications in this field, and derived this, from what little knowledge I have on the subject, and some damned common sense. Flame away if you so desire.
actually desyncs seem to be a new thing or at least happen much more frequently now. if one looks back at when people started complaining about dsyncs in such large numbesr, one can see that it coincides with the release of revelations 2. ________________________________________
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Vyyrus
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 03:10:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Vyyrus on 02/08/2007 03:13:28 Edited by: Vyyrus on 02/08/2007 03:10:15 The whole priority thing is bs. I filed a petition for harrassment, one gm came and said that it was being investigated so I replied a second gm came and said the exact same thing and closed the petition without a response to why. So its obvious that the petitions are being handled if they give a....
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Aldir Rundal
Gallente The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2007.08.02 03:29:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Fader Bane
Originally by: Aldir Rundal
Originally by: AnarchistUK
Thank you for correcting this. Now sign this thread
I'm not going to sign this thread. Based purely on the fact that Whining about desync's(which have been around forever, and were always treated as lag) and lag is not going to solve the problem. ....
Note: I have no qualifications in this field, and derived this, from what little knowledge I have on the subject, and some damned common sense. Flame away if you so desire.
actually desyncs seem to be a new thing or at least happen much more frequently now. if one looks back at when people started complaining about dsyncs in such large numbesr, one can see that it coincides with the release of revelations 2.
That's the thing, they're not new at all, and have always been a part of eve. Their frequency and magnitude have increased since revelations 2, and I'm suprised it didn't happen earlier.
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w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.08.02 03:33:00 -
[121]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Way to shift focus and not actually address the issue itself!
Edit your sig: Wrangler Community Spindoctor EVE Online
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Herculite
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.02 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Price Watcher Another bend-over-and-spread-'em fanboy heard from.
Only thing worse than a spineless alt posting is a spineless alt posting with poor reading comprehension skills.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 03:57:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Herculite
Originally by: Price Watcher Another bend-over-and-spread-'em fanboy heard from.
Only thing worse than a spineless alt posting is a spineless alt posting with poor reading comprehension skills.
you owe me another mountain dew, that was the funniest thing i read all day
BoB is welcoem to come and hang out in heimatar when they want to just chill
Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
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sparkvolt
Praetorian BlackGuard Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 04:00:00 -
[124]
You put a frog into boiling water it will (try to) jump right out. You put a frog into cold water and slowly heat it up, it will stay in it and boil to death.
This is what I would say about old players and new players. Old players got used to the lag, game problems. People have been fighting before and people fight even now. The example above simply states that veterans took it for granted that they have to suffer with game performance and simply came to terms with the truth.
New players have very little experience with fleet battles. New players and new subscribers won't even see battle for months. Most they will see is small gate camps or pirates but that will not inflict enough frustration on them aside from feeling of loss due to their lost assets, or feeling of euphoria when they pop someone for the first time. Before they know it, they are hooked on PvP. They seek PvP to test their skills against other, more skilled, enemies. They find 0.0 based corp/alliance, they join up expecting a whole lot of pew pew and fleet battles. What happens? They get obliterated because their game for the first time ever completely went haywire. No enemies on the screen nothing to shoot, yet their ship is going down fast, something is killing it. Some phantom. Activate their tank mods, nothing. Try to warp, nothing. They meet their first REAL enemy. Desync.
But by this point they are already addicted. They invested time, they invested money. They can't just cancel now and walk away. After all they spent days and months training those skills to be effective. So they endure. They endure what no player should be made to endure. They start to optimize their own clients by turning off all cool effects, minimizing chat windows, closing overview, removing items from overview, turning off sound, they dull their game to a point where they're playing a modern age game with settings that even a Starcraft would put to shame.
In other words, they are doing everything in their power just to be able to participate in this thing called fleet battle. A feature very proudly advertised by game company. Game itself is engineered in such a way to require fleet battles. With number of new capital pilots every day it is only a matter of time before smaller ships are part of the history.
Yet, still exist those who are so inept, so ignorant, that they claim game is fine as it is. It is fine. It is fine if you don't mind sitting in station. It is fine if you are one of those who sits at trade hub and manipulates market. But for those out there that are fighting for a piece of space to call home, it is unacceptable.
What is even more unacceptable is the fact that company developing the game, or employees of such at least, treat their customers like robots that carry huge dollar sign on their forehead. Petitions are disregarded in such a quick manner and with simple reason: "Our logs do not show...". Perhaps your logs are not thorough enough? Perhaps your logs are configured in such a way to only log "certain" things.
When 100-200 people simply drop out of system, when your server has "lingering" sockets open, when requests for warp or mod activation from same client are hammered to server multiple times, that doesn't put ,not even an entry, into server log?
I find it hard to believe as I would find it near impossible to find "abusing" clients if server didn't log such things. It opens doors to many bigger problems and meta-gaming.
<sarcasm> But then again, it is only a whine from yet another Sparta member. After all, fleet battle gurus out there say everything is fine. So we should be inclined to trust. </sarcasm>
Some people are so far up Wrangler's ass, I cannot tell where they end and where he begins. </walloftext>
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Montague Zooma
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 04:07:00 -
[125]
This emphasis on subscription numbers is significant. I've had an epiphany.
Eve will always be broken. The key to CCP's business plan must be the notion that MMO players only stick with a game for about 7 months to a year. So all they have to do is make Eve look interesting and play well enough to keep a player paying for about a year before quitting in disgust.
Adding new features to the game helps keep it look "interesting". If the features actually work, that's an added bonus. The new features constantly in development aren't really for our benefit...they're designed to snag new customers to replace us as we quit.
WoW has what...8 million subscribers? That makes for a lot of MMO players who are getting tired of their current game and want to try something new. Eve is different enough from every other MMO out there that it's virtually guaranteed attract the attention of players looking for a new kind of thrill.
CCP is banking on customer turnover. There goal isn't to be the ultimate destination of gaming...just to entertain players for a year or so until they find something better. Thanks to the steady stream of refugees from the more successful MMOs, they'll see their subscription numbers grow at a healthy pace for years to come.
Eve promises an awful lot. But its success doesn't depend on actually delivering on that promise.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.08.02 04:31:00 -
[126]
Wow, Wangler should not have given that kind of response here. Way to **** people off.
I strongly suggest people who are so worked up about this desynch issue simply cancel your subscriptions and stop whining. Are you addicted to the point that you NEED eve so bad, but yet hate it so much that you can get worked into a frenzy and not leave?
Just put a long skill train and quit for a while.
That's what the OP says to do. I don't know why so much ranting. Just do it. If your alliance all has the same opinion, let them do it too.
It hasn't affected me so I'm not going to. But I would, and I'm frequently close to doing so anyway.
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Bein Glorious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.02 05:02:00 -
[127]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler non jewish
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.08.02 05:11:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Price Watcher Right now CCP has no real competition in space combat simulators.
You have grown fat and lazy.
Well, everyone knows what happens when the lean and hungry come upon the fat and lazy.
A barbeque!
Some day you will have competition. It will be lean and hungry....
oh yes having 6 teams work on content and realeasing a patch every month while working on the biggest bug in the game while doing so much other stuff is lazy.
I work in the game field. it takes years to build a single game. it takes months to fix bugs a bloated code or epicness like EvE. thwy are working on it. jezz.
eve isn't dying it's getting more popualr. and after you all leave and a patch is released that fixes dysync in 2 months I will luah because 2 months to fix a bug where instead of helping people whine is an amazing accomplishment.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Russell Simmons Is Eve dying for another reason?
No, EVE is not dying at all. Be nice, it's 2 am...
----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Quote: CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.08.02 05:16:00 -
[129]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Harleigh WOW .. so stumped for an answer you have to pick on a spelling mistake and use a cut and paste GM response ..
Then we wonder why there are code bugs ..
Well, it was a funny spelling mistake, I saw one Oveur made a while that was better, he spelled whether wether, which means castrated male sheep.
It's not a cut and paste GM response, we have different queues with different levels of priority, the senior GM queue is one of those, and once a petition is escalated to that queue it gets dealt with in the order it arrived, and obviously it can take more time to investigate some issues than others. That's explaining how the queue works.
the problem is they think your GPDS and can answer everyones questions at the same time!
have any oif you ever sat in line at a bank? some people just cash a check, BAM, next. some people start counting pennies out.
it's the same **** thing... ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Quote: CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic
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EFF ONEF1
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.02 05:20:00 -
[130]
Originally by: AnarchistUK Edited by: AnarchistUK on 02/08/2007 01:15:34 This game is borderline screwed. With so many ships, pods, implants being lost due to desyncs (not talking about normal lag here) since Rev 2. Patches have been released to address the desyncs (so CCP admit there are issues), only for their logs to show nothing when you lose your beloved ship. They give you the copy and paste treatment in petitions? Fine! I've set a long skill on both accounts and payments stopped. They want to fob us off with copy and paste? Then they don't get our money.
This is the only way for CCP to acknowledge, we don't want new shiney stuff, we want the damn game fixed and reimburse for THEIR server issues!!!
Set a long skill, end the payments, sign the forum. They can't ban us all!!!
*** EDIT *** This is PURELY about game mechanics, nothing to do with ANY alliance or war. This is about ALL OF US who've been given the same lack of support.
CCP - Don't gag my chars please. I did not swear at all!!!!!!!!! They gagged me because I pasted this link in Jita lol.
You have been gagged by GM Faolchu until 2007.08.02 01:36:09. GM Faolchu's reason was: Swearing in Public Chat Channels.
Freedom of speech!
*** Note **** On the Serenity server, skills no longer train when the owning account is deactivated. Tranquility is not affected by this change.
desync example = you're at a gate, hit warp, client screen stays at the gate, but the server has warped you off.
lag example = you see the gate, but when hostiles jump in, you see nothing for 5 minutes.
You will be hard pressed to find a game that will have logs during a desync or server crash. As those logs disappear due to those issues.
Some games during those times will give a benefit of the doubt(BOD) reimbursement in some cases. And in almost all games that is up to their discretion. As BOD reimbursements can quickly get way out of control to the point that their resources are tied up giving out things they had no clue existed or happened in the first place. And all of that then has the secondary effect of greatly increasing the times it takes to respond (it is already a bit high ill give you that) to newer petitions that potentially could get solved a whole lot quicker.
Please note that reimbursements are NOT what you pay CCP for. You pay them for access to the game, thats it. It is entirely their goodwill that they do so, any game for that matter.
If youdo not like the way the game currently is, or disagree with the direction the game is going, by all means leave. That is your right as a consumer. However, it is NOT your right to impose on CCP what you want. Or even demanding they do it or you will leave. Its their game, if you dont like it, dont support it. But dont continue to pay and play then complain you dont like it. Thats just idiocy to continue to pay for something that does not satisfy you.
CCP has already acknowledge desyncs and server stability issues. In fact, the past patch addressed some of the issues and the next one is supposed to have a hardware upgrade to address some of those specific issues. So they are trying, and rather more quickly than any other MMO company out there is doing. Its the internaet, desyncs and lag happens in all games, its the reality of current technology. Either learn to live with it, or go create the solution yourself.
Case in point:
I happen to not like the automobiles FORD makes. However, I dont buy one of their automobiles, stand outside the dealership with a sign telling people they suck, then follow the next people who show up to buy inside and buy one myself.
CCP Wrangler, you are spot on. Dont let these people push you and CCP around.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.08.02 05:22:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Price Watcher
Originally by: CCP Wrangler How did you fail at reporting bugs?
That's really arrogant and cold towards a paying customer.
Bug reporting is clumsy, stupid, and more trouble than a paying customer should have to put up with.
Perhaps you don't remember who really pays you. It's the paying customer.
Learn it, love it, live it.
I love the new bug report system, it gets you fast answers. terrific program. there are a lot of thingabout eve I don't like, like the petition system. but the bug reporting page is not one of them. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Quote: CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.02 05:30:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Bein Glorious
Originally by: CCP Wrangler non jewish
non-semetic
Nope. Non-Semetic and Gentile are different.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.08.02 05:42:00 -
[133]
Edited by: Ridley Tree on 02/08/2007 05:45:11
Originally by: EFF ONEF1 -sniped for length
CCP Wrangler, you are spot on. Dont let these people push you and CCP around.
And their customer service, given that CCP has acknowledged massive desyncs and given that CCP knows there are severe server issues, should err on the side of 'our logs don't show...' rather than 'Sorry about that. This is a known issue. Here's your ship back.'?
I'm sorry but if there is a known severe issue the Customer Service should not be saying 'oh, no logs. **** you, go away.' They should be apologizing out the ass and groveling as they give you your lost **** back.
Hey what do I know. I've never been a CSR. I've never delt with angry customers. I've never been a CSR supervisor. I never helped write the customer retention program for a company.
Oh wait, I have.
CCP makes a great game. Their creativity is amazing. I'm shelling out for two accounts. But to be painfully honest, CCP's customer service has to be one of the worst I've ever seen. Copy and pasted generic answers to almost every petition. Inconsistency is apparently rampant but we can't be sure because hey, CCP restricts you from quoting their customer service on the board. People keep playing this game despite of their Customer Service, not because of it. ----
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Bein Glorious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.02 05:45:00 -
[134]
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Originally by: Bein Glorious
Originally by: CCP Wrangler non jewish
non-semetic
Nope. Non-Semetic and Gentile are different.
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Barbarellas Daughter
Lonely Barbarella
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Posted - 2007.08.02 05:53:00 -
[135]
Nice answers Wrangler. As for the OP: CCP has always said, desynch is a problem. But apparently you dont like to be constructive and rather whine on the forum. If you dont like the game, quit for a while and see if they fixed the "problems" after a year. I agree fleet fights are broken and desynch is bad, but its not the truth that CCP doesnt care about it just because there IS this bug. They just cant fix it atm.
I personally had the best week in EVE since i started 15 months ago (and didnt suffer desynch btw).
Do the stuff in EVE thats not broken and leave the rest behind. Im doing fun stuff atm and only some (needed) boring stuff.
If EVE dies, be happy. There will be another, better spaceship MMO (without stackless python(?)).
Maybe im just less emotional about a game than other people? ____________________________________________
Originally by: Marduk Felzhen You have an amazing cleavage, except you have no arms :(
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Flaming Lemming
Caldari Puppeteer Press
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Posted - 2007.08.02 06:36:00 -
[136]
Originally by: DarkMatter
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
In other news, CCP doesn't give a crap about their subscribers, they only care about subscriber numbers. It appears they are learning from SOE, a very successful MMORPG develop--oh wait...
It's too much work to hang onto the players that have been here 4+ years, as they are more demanding. I mean, why should CCP care? I pay the same ammount per month as the players who come & go every 6 to 12 months. How is a monthly sub from a 4 year vet like myself any better than from those 6 month turn-around players? News flash, it's not!
CCP will take the money any way they can get it... For every disgruntled long term vet that leaves the game, 5 bright eyed newbs are paying CCP a monthly sub for 6 months, who cares if they don't retain them, as long as they keep gaining subs, the accountants at CCP are happy, hence the comapny is happy. Screw the players who were the initial group who got CCP where they are today, we mean nothing to them, as we b!tch too much about the game flaws...
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Sin Meng
Gallente Helios Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.08.02 07:27:00 -
[137]
Originally by: AnarchistUK original post
EVE is uncharted territory. There is no manual or textbook example of this kind of game to refer to when **** doesn't work because it is the first of its kind, at least to this degree. It is therefore a never ending work in progress. Don't act like its supposed to be anywhere near perfect. Its your money, you're in control of what you spend it on, you have no one else to blame if you believe it is / has been poorly spent but yourself. If you don't like the product you're paying for, don't pay for it anymore, simple as that.
CCP is a company run by human beings who are quite capable of making mistakes, having poor judgment, and occasionally (wrangler) letting their tact slip. Did you read anywhere in the description of this game or the EULA that by paying the monthly subscription fee for this game that you are guaranteed never to be lagged, desynchronized, or given a copy and paste response from a GM? I sure didn't see any of that. When I signed up even after hearing and reading about all this "terrible stuff," I accepted that I'm pretty much paying for a beta, and I'm fine with that. I like being part of something different.
You on the other hand appear to have some idea in your head that if this product you're paying for isn't up to your self-defined standards, you're being robbed and need to whine about it. Your tagname fits you well. Judging by your lack of understanding of how this game called "being a consumer" works, you've probably never worked a minute in customer service, or at least not very well. On the topic of being gagged, your little rant doesn't belong in Jita local chat, its about as appropriate as an ISK seller spam. If you're going to stop playing, fine, but keep it off the forums. If you have something additional to say about it, theres a little tool with a text box you can use to say all this when you cancel the subscription.
Posting crap like this and placing the blame of your misfortunes on CCP is childish and shows lack of understanding of what landed you in the situation you're describing. 200+ player server crushing fleet combat was created by the player base, not CCP. Whether or not the gameplay designed by CCP encourages such masses (POS warfare) is irrelevant. You're playing in a sandbox with landmines. You know where the landmines are yet you step on them anyway. How is that CCP's fault?
And keep your bull**** taken for granted "freedom of speech [everywhere]" garbage to yourself, you clearly lack understanding of that as well. EVE is not the USA (or any other country that allows it) in a virtual form, it has its own set of rules which you agreed to when you bought this product. Yet you wave the concept around as if it some kind of global guarantee wherever you go. It is far from it, and you have a lot of nerve to think it should be entitled to you by default.
I would love for you to correct me, please show me you have something useful or relevant to say in a civil tone and I promise I will listen. I'm pretty sure CCP will as well. All I'm hearing from this is "This game has problems and CCP has failed to personally tell me that all ones that **** me off are being worked on. In light of that I quit, and you should too." In any event, I sincerely hope that you find a new product that lives up to your standards. Let me know if you do, it'd be one impossibly perfect little thing. -------------------------
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sliver 0xD
Cosmic Odyssey YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.08.02 07:31:00 -
[138]
another lag post... maybe there is something wrong with the game...
"GM: We can`t seen anything in our logs, game is fine."
if there is the chance that in 2 or 3 months the game starts to run much beter. is there a chance players get there lost ships back? or are we to blame that the client goes fubar? |
hantwo
S.A.S Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.08.02 07:46:00 -
[139]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
so the best answer you can come up with to lag and desync is "na na na subscription numbers increasing" way to go batman
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Milena Rage
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2007.08.02 07:51:00 -
[140]
Originally by: hantwo
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
so the best answer you can come up with to lag and desync is "na na na subscription numbers increasing" way to go batman
lol, and the numbers went up this month because CCP said they fixed desync.. we come back and ...
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Milena Rage
The Aftermath
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Posted - 2007.08.02 08:01:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Zantrei Kordisin
Originally by: Harleigh
/me covers herself in vasiline, and holds up a huge flaming billboard
<<<<DESYNCH>>>>
WE CAN"T SEE THE DAM HOSTILES JUMPING IN ON US A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE TIME ..
Clear enough ?
You not able to read a friggin Thread title? or read the rest of the forum posts ?
I get the general impression that you aren't particularly bright.
Do you even know what desynch is? I bet half the people in this thread don't even have a clue. These issues aren't desynchs, desynchs are when your ships shows as being somewhere it isn't. That isn't the problem. This is lag.
Stop saying desynch, because these issues aren't ******* desynchs.
QFT
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Plutonian
Plutonian Shore
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Posted - 2007.08.02 08:19:00 -
[142]
I'm very surprised at CCP's official response to this issue; both in tone and content. I've come to expect a more... professional... response from such a large business entity.
Perhaps CCP really doesn't care if subscribers leave the game. As they said, they've got new ones coming in. A veteran pays just as much as a new player.
But I'd be very careful about word of mouth. Right now these guys are talking about the issue on your forums... which you (rightly) control.
What happens when they start spreading the word elsewhere? How will you control that? What effect do you think that would have on new subscriptions?
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Jonathos
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Posted - 2007.08.02 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
What is all this about, everyone wants to say that Eve is just going straight to hell, can't you people at least try instead of making these posts that aren't even inflammatory enough to be considered a flame? It's just pathetic seeing all this energy going towards this end of Eve bull****.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 08:24:00 -
[144]
waaaah another human made fun of just another whiner, waaah that human happens to work for a company, lets all whine about how bad it is for their image to be human
1 Billion Isk to the person who can make these children grow the frell up
Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
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Jonathos
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Posted - 2007.08.02 08:27:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn /signed
We are paying your salaries CCP. Get your **** together and quit selling a faulty product.
Stop paying for the product if it's faulty...?
Oh, maybe you were posting that to show you care about Eve's future, because that is definitely a constructive criticism that will bring great change.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 08:28:00 -
[146]
spidey says: My sarcasm senses are tingling!
I'm not a troll, I'm an ogre!
Real men fly Pink.
I've been living in your cassette, It's the modern equivalent, singing up to a Capulet, on a balcony in |
Da Ram
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Posted - 2007.08.02 08:30:00 -
[147]
Edited by: Da Ram on 02/08/2007 08:32:31 A banker in Austria who lost Billions to very shady deals is in court now. The billions he lost affected quite a few people, politicians - many lifes so to speak.
His defense was that he "regrets that people only see the little percentage of his otherwise great decisions leading to the loss"
Up to today I thought this was the most stupid argument I have ever read. Until I came across this:
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Wrangler, whoever hacked your account and got to post this response of yours, should be silenced. I cannot believe that someone like you implies that CCP gives so little about veteran players.
Ram
Edit: Fleet battle is broken and that sucks. I ve been in only one - my single carrier against about 50 people. One could literally see the node giving me time slices as in a round robin system.
I got a 50th out of the total time to operate the damn carrier I was in and the same damn 50th slice of time I had to operate my drones. Go figure how much real fun that was
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 08:32:00 -
[148]
yeah, pointing out that people aren't actually leaving is in bad taste! how dare you correct ignorance!
Real men fly Pink.
I've been living in your cassette, It's the modern equivalent, singing up to a Capulet, on a balcony in |
Sin Meng
Gallente Helios Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.08.02 08:38:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Da Ram A banker in Austria who lost Billions to very shady deals is in court now. The billions he lost affected quite a few people, politicians - many lifes so to speak.
His defense was that he "regrets that people only see the little percentage of his otherwise great decisions leading to the loss"
Up to today I thought this was the most stupid argument I have ever read. Until I came across this:
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Wrangler, whoever hacked your account and got to post this response of yours, should be silenced. I cannot believe that someone like you implies that CCP gives so little about veteran players.
Ram
Give me ONE SINGLE WORD in wrangler's statement that says CCP "cares so little about its veteran players." Yes its a sarcastic response that falls short on tact, blame a man for being human and working for a corporation at the same time. However it is in no way what you claim it to be UNLESS you construe it to appear so. Its amusing to see how people like you take simple factual words and turn them into negative motive just to turn around a ***** about it. -------------------------
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 08:39:00 -
[150]
dont use logic! you will cause their heads to explode!
besides it is more fun mocking them
Real men fly Pink.
I've been living in your cassette, It's the modern equivalent, singing up to a Capulet, on a balcony in |
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Da Ram
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Posted - 2007.08.02 08:57:00 -
[151]
Originally by: Sin Meng
Originally by: Da Ram A banker in Austria who lost Billions to very shady deals is in court now. The billions he lost affected quite a few people, politicians - many lifes so to speak.
His defense was that he "regrets that people only see the little percentage of his otherwise great decisions leading to the loss"
Up to today I thought this was the most stupid argument I have ever read. Until I came across this:
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Wrangler, whoever hacked your account and got to post this response of yours, should be silenced. I cannot believe that someone like you implies that CCP gives so little about veteran players.
Ram
Give me ONE SINGLE WORD in wrangler's statement that says CCP "cares so little about its veteran players." Yes its a sarcastic response that falls short on tact, blame a man for being human and working for a corporation at the same time. However it is in no way what you claim it to be UNLESS you construe it to appear so. Its amusing to see how people like you take simple factual words and turn them into negative motive just to turn around a ***** about it.
"cause I just checked the subscription numbers" He implies it with this sentence and I am sorry if you cannot read between the lines.
Subscriptions suffer from some kind of inertia plus as long as they are not weighed they can only show so much of a distored picture.
One veteran leaving probably usually amounts to the need of getting 3 more subscribers. Why ? Because veterans are the living, breathing flesh in this game. They shape this player run universe, mmkay ?
In addition pointing at subscription numbers of the past month does not mean a thing at all as it takes a long time until negative effects take hold so strongly that players outright quit, you need to take a big time scale into view and you need to weigh vet scubscriptions against new players, etc.
Its like saying - Everything is alright, the majority has elected the government while the whole of the state is going to ****. Clear enough ?
By the by - this game is still and always has been advertising large space battles - those are simply not possible to do with a reasonable comfort of playing. Ram
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Sin Meng
Gallente Helios Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.08.02 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Da Ram
Originally by: Sin Meng
Originally by: Da Ram A banker in Austria who lost Billions to very shady deals is in court now. The billions he lost affected quite a few people, politicians - many lifes so to speak.
His defense was that he "regrets that people only see the little percentage of his otherwise great decisions leading to the loss"
Up to today I thought this was the most stupid argument I have ever read. Until I came across this:
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Wrangler, whoever hacked your account and got to post this response of yours, should be silenced. I cannot believe that someone like you implies that CCP gives so little about veteran players.
Ram
Give me ONE SINGLE WORD in wrangler's statement that says CCP "cares so little about its veteran players." Yes its a sarcastic response that falls short on tact, blame a man for being human and working for a corporation at the same time. However it is in no way what you claim it to be UNLESS you construe it to appear so. Its amusing to see how people like you take simple factual words and turn them into negative motive just to turn around a ***** about it.
"cause I just checked the subscription numbers" He implies it with this sentence and I am sorry if you cannot read between the lines.
Subscriptions suffer from some kind of inertia plus as long as they are not weighed they can only show so much of a distored picture.
One veteran leaving probably usually amounts to the need of getting 3 more subscribers. Why ? Because veterans are the living, breathing flesh in this game. They shape this player run universe, mmkay ?
In addition pointing at subscription numbers of the past month does not mean a thing at all as it takes a long time until negative effects take hold so strongly that players outright quit, you need to take a big time scale into view and you need to weigh vet scubscriptions against new players, etc.
Its like saying - Everything is alright, the majority has elected the government while the whole of the state is going to ****. Clear enough ?
By the by - this game is still and always has been advertising large space battles - those are simply not possible to do with a reasonable comfort of playing. Ram
I didn't read between the lines because reading between the lines of a PR rep or "community manager" its pointless, I won't go into why because you've clearly lost yourself to conspiracy theory. -------------------------
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.08.02 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Sin Meng I didn't read between the lines because reading between the lines of a PR rep or "community manager" its pointless, I won't go into why because you've clearly lost yourself to conspiracy theory.
In that case reading the words at all would be pointless would it not?
'People aren't leaving because the subscription numbers are going up' does not logically work anyway. People are leaving. Others are joining. Those leaving are veterans, by default as they had to be here already to be leaving. Those joining are not veterans, by default as they just joined. If he only cares about the subscription number, then he doesn't give a crap about veterans. ----
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Da Ram
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Posted - 2007.08.02 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ridley Tree
Originally by: Sin Meng I didn't read between the lines because reading between the lines of a PR rep or "community manager" its pointless, I won't go into why because you've clearly lost yourself to conspiracy theory.
In that case reading the words at all would be pointless would it not?
'People aren't leaving because the subscription numbers are going up' does not logically work anyway. People are leaving. Others are joining. Those leaving are veterans, by default as they had to be here already to be leaving. Those joining are not veterans, by default as they just joined. If he only cares about the subscription number, then he doesn't give a crap about veterans.
Thanks Ridley, I really thought I lost it. Your explanation is much better than mine indeed.
Ram
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Okkie2
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Posted - 2007.08.02 09:57:00 -
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He was commenting on the Eve is dieing part, which isn't true. Eve is still growing strong. His answer could have been a bit more tactical, but i guess this is because of all the whining on the forums and him being finally getting pretty annoyed by it. The DEVs know there are problems and they are working as hard as possible to solve them but all they hear from their players is whining about things not working and hearing they don't do their job well.
I do agree petitions of this size should get a higher prio and be solved quicker or at least they should give more info about it (e.g. seperate forum-item ?)
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Rock Lobster
Solarflare Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.02 10:26:00 -
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Personally, desyncs haven't happened since the post-2.0 patch (2.0.1 was it?). I was getting them all the time before that.
What I do notice is that in "fleet battles" where you jump through and aparently desync - IE you end up with a blank screen and overview - is client load. On my rig EVE tends to run one core at about 80% load, when jumping through a gate into a camp, the CPU load will hit 100% on one core. I've run EVE on a considerably quicker PC as a test (AMD X2 6000+ compared to my normal machine a Pentium D 945), and the speed at which EVE recovers after a jump into a blobbed gate is considerably reduced.
So, my suggestion is for those experiencing "desync" is to check the load on your PC's CPU, clear caches, or run off a RAM drive.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar Guardians of the Dawn Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 10:33:00 -
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Man I WANT NEW SHINY stuff... its not like if the artists at CCP would be helpign to solve desync problems if they were not workin on art. Neither the client programmers, neither the content developers. In a system like eve is not unlikely that there are 3-4 guys that work on and understand the communication sysem between client and server, its not productive to have everyone working on everything.
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.08.02 10:40:00 -
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Edited by: Ridley Tree on 02/08/2007 11:06:42
Originally by: Okkie2 He was commenting on the Eve is dieing part, which isn't true. Eve is still growing strong. His answer could have been a bit more tactical, but i guess this is because of all the whining on the forums and him being finally getting pretty annoyed by it.
You know that bit I said about CCP having horrible customer service? Employees are not allowed to get annoyed. Not in public anyway. Thats what the break-room, the bar and the dartboard are for.
edit: Though with the amount of **** they get (see the state of this board and the amount of locked threads right now.... (1106 eve time) I'm perfectly willing to forgive. ----
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AnarchistUK
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Posted - 2007.08.02 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: AnarchistUK on 02/08/2007 11:49:41 People don't want to just quit after putting in so many hours, days, weeks, months or years into their characters.
Desyncs may have always been around, but Rev 2.0 is where it all went wrong. You couldn't even have a 5 vs 5 battle. So out comes a patch to resolve this, seems like the small battles have improved again.
Now for massive fleet ops... before Rev 2.0, you'd lag out. OK it's expected, but since Rev 2.0, we get the lag and then the desync. You lag and can't right click to warp off, you desync and have to relog, only to find yourself in a station.
We've put in bug reports, petitions etc. Where does it get us? We get a copy and paste.
Client desyncing from the server - of course the server logs wont see this. The server still thinks the client is happily pew pew, when in fact the client hasn't seen a screen update for 30 minutes and relogs.
This thread is for the people who've experienced this and cheesed off with the damn copy and paste "sorry our logs show the game is brilliant". This isn't about us saying we're the leet coders and know you can fix it. It's about the whole picture and the lack of customer service, due to their server issues since Rev 2.0.
The graphics look nice, the game play is there... but the servers simply cannot handle fleet battles. It couldn't handle 5 vs 5 before (this is where my personal petitiion was refused!!!). So if you don't care about your gaming pleasure, keep out the thread, if you've had the same treatment as most of us, then by all means chip in and see the start of this thread.
P.s. Forum spammers are not constructive and not actually talking about the topic - Forum mods block the following 2 trolls. "Tarminic" and "Tortun Nahme".
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Aleksandr Cirtus
Caldari Stronghold corp Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 11:52:00 -
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[crazy old man voice]Why, I had desyncs before devs knew desyncs existed and ppl jumped on this crazy desync bandwagon... Back then, we *snore* whoa, what, empire shuttle trip over already??? [/crazy old man voice]
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DarkMatter
Sintered Sanity
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Posted - 2007.08.02 11:55:00 -
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Wrangler's pointing at sub numbers in the face of this game's crippling problems is akin to a forum poster b!tching about spelling & grammer. They have already lost the argument...
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Lamb Byriani
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Posted - 2007.08.02 11:58:00 -
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I de-synced, lost my Ishkur (i loved that ishkur) next day i got it back.
im a happy chappy
with a game of this scope depth and complexity especially one that is pushing the boundries of mmorpg technology the odd bug/issue really isnt a problem
look at how many games on release are bug ridden unplayable messes and all they're doing is rehashing the same old stuff.
so in conclusion
GTFO
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Shari Vegas
Minmatar Ctrl Alt Elites
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Posted - 2007.08.02 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: AnarchistUK Freedom of speech!
I really hate it when some idiot goes off on a tangent and then throws this in there.
This is CCPs game, and their forums. They own it. They say what goes. That's their freedom of speech. Your freedom is that if you don't like it, you can leave at any time.
What it doesn't mean, is that you can spam, should, and squeal all you want while throwing up some moronic "freedom of speech" banner.
Now shut your noise.
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AnarchistUK
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Posted - 2007.08.02 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Shari Vegas
Originally by: AnarchistUK Freedom of speech!
I really hate it when some idiot goes off on a tangent and then throws this in there.
This is CCPs game, and their forums. They own it. They say what goes. That's their freedom of speech. Your freedom is that if you don't like it, you can leave at any time.
What it doesn't mean, is that you can spam, should, and squeal all you want while throwing up some moronic "freedom of speech" banner.
Now shut your noise.
They gagged my alt for linking this thread and the reason was for swearing - I didn't swear at all!!!!!! So I edited the original post and added that in there. CCP gag people when the members touch a nerve.
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Shari Vegas
Minmatar Ctrl Alt Elites
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Posted - 2007.08.02 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: AnarchistUK
Originally by: Shari Vegas
Originally by: AnarchistUK Freedom of speech!
I really hate it when some idiot goes off on a tangent and then throws this in there.
This is CCPs game, and their forums. They own it. They say what goes. That's their freedom of speech. Your freedom is that if you don't like it, you can leave at any time.
What it doesn't mean, is that you can spam, should, and squeal all you want while throwing up some moronic "freedom of speech" banner.
Now shut your noise.
They gagged my alt for linking this thread and the reason was for swearing - I didn't swear at all!!!!!! So I edited the original post and added that in there. CCP gag people when the members touch a nerve.
CCP is obviously out to get you and you should just cancel your account now.
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Surreptitious
Isk Sink Inc. Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 12:10:00 -
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Originally by: DarkMatter Wrangler's pointing at sub numbers in the face of this game's crippling problems is akin to a forum poster b!tching about spelling & grammer. They have already lost the argument...
Best reply yet.
Syrup
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Kiersten
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Posted - 2007.08.02 12:10:00 -
[167]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Could just be me but wont it hurt when all the veteran players cancel there 3 or 4 alts? thats honestly all the new players are these days so screw the vet's m8 ya ccp will go under for it.
but ya /signed
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Concrete Slab
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Posted - 2007.08.02 12:13:00 -
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FIX EVE " RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE " FIX LAG " RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE "
rabble rabble rabble........
/signed
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.08.02 12:14:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Kiersten Could just be me but wont it hurt when all the veteran players cancel there 3 or 4 alts? thats honestly all the new players are these days so screw the vet's m8 ya ccp will go under for it.
but ya /signed
QFT. When you see '30,000' online, its really going to be closer to 23k or so people and their alts. ----
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w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.08.02 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lamb Byriani I de-synced, lost my Ishkur (i loved that ishkur) next day i got it back.
im a happy chappy
with a game of this scope depth and complexity especially one that is pushing the boundries of mmorpg technology the odd bug/issue really isnt a problem
So you honestly cant understand why people have a problem...
When they loose their 20+ BILLION isk ship to the exact same problem as you suffered, and they do not get it back?
Tell me your feelings wouldnt be different if you lost all that effort, to known issues, to only be told "Sorry, youre not getting it back because there is no issue"
Once youve experienced the game a little more, you may begind to understand what these players are talking about.
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Concrete Slab
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Posted - 2007.08.02 12:17:00 -
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Originally by: Concrete Slab FIX EVE " RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE " FIX LAG " RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE "
rabble rabble rabble........
/signed
im the only person cool enough to quote them selves.................RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
/re-sign
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Tamoko
Damage Unlimited Inc
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Posted - 2007.08.02 12:25:00 -
[172]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
So what you're trying to say is, it's not the rubes that have already paid you for lousy service that matter, it's the new rubes you can churn into the system every month. Wonderful. ---
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Asestorian
Minmatar Domination. KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 12:38:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Tamoko
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
So what you're trying to say is, it's not the rubes that have already paid you for lousy service that matter, it's the new rubes you can churn into the system every month. Wonderful.
Actually I'm pretty sure he's trying to say that EVE isn't dying because people are leaving. He never said "People aren't leaving". He never said "We don't care that the veterans are leaving". He only said that EVE isn't dying because some people are leaving.
And I'm going to go with the logical people here. EVE is a game like no other. There is nothing out there of the complexity of EVE in both gameplay and technology. CCP try their best to fix things in this game where they have to figure every tiny little thing out themselves with no help, and all anyone can do is kick them, spit on them, and tell them to work faster.
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Cptn Z
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.08.02 12:47:00 -
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Originally by: Price Watcher
Originally by: CCP Wrangler How did you fail at reporting bugs?
That's really arrogant and cold towards a paying customer.
Bug reporting is clumsy, stupid, and more trouble than a paying customer should have to put up with.
Perhaps you don't remember who really pays you. It's the paying customer.
Learn it, love it, live it.
Well, live with unfixed bugs, Mr. paying customer.
You know, there is always a balance with the amount of payment and amount of troubles. --- Regards, Z |
Zanpt
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Posted - 2007.08.02 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: AnarchistUK THEY HAVE NOT STOPPED SKILL TRAINING WHILST ACCOUNTS ARE DISABLED.
The day they do, that will be the day I stop reactivating accounts I allow to expire to get reimbursements in US Dollars or to punish CCP. I think they are too smart to ever change this. It's part of the diabolically addictive nature of the game. For the same reason, they don't make your stuff disappear for a VERY LONG TIME after an account goes inactive. If they did, people would be discouraged and have less reason to return or, having returned to find their stuff gone, to stay. There are few things as discouraging as having to cover the same ground you've already covered, such as those horribly long training steps. Eve is a superbly well-designed trap (which we enjoy when it works and stays up). It lures you in with the trial account. You convert the trial to paid because otherwise the training you did would be for nothing. You don't abandon an account because after weeks and months, even years, you have an investment in the character's skills. Even if you get ticked off and allow an account to expire, it gnaws at you that all that investment is sitting there, so sooner or later you reactivate it.
Eve is like the Mafia -- you can get in, but you can't get out. That's OK when it works right. The best I've been able to do to express my rage and frustration is to manage the nine accounts I control in such a way that when CCP displeases me, more of them go inactive, and when CCP pleases me, more of them become active. I also manage the accounts to get denied reimbursements in US Dollars by reducing what I pay to CCP.
If inactive accounts ever fail to continue/complete their currently active training steps, I will have less reason to reactivate them. I'm sure CCP understands that.
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roadrage639
The Cons
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Posted - 2007.08.02 13:08:00 -
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yup... they just copy and paste the same message in petitions now.. hence why its usually only a few days to get a reply instead of several weeks. They just say our server logs do not show any lag blaw blaw and refuse to show you a copy. ---------------- If You Can't Kill It, Slap It! The Man Who Runs Will Fight Again
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Nigbale Amare
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.02 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Da Ram
"cause I just checked the subscription numbers" He implies it with this sentence and I am sorry if you cannot read between the lines.
Subscriptions suffer from some kind of inertia plus as long as they are not weighed they can only show so much of a distored picture.
One veteran leaving probably usually amounts to the need of getting 3 more subscribers. Why ? Because veterans are the living, breathing flesh in this game. They shape this player run universe, mmkay ?
In addition pointing at subscription numbers of the past month does not mean a thing at all as it takes a long time until negative effects take hold so strongly that players outright quit, you need to take a big time scale into view and you need to weigh vet scubscriptions against new players, etc.
Its like saying - Everything is alright, the majority has elected the government while the whole of the state is going to ****. Clear enough ?
By the by - this game is still and always has been advertising large space battles - those are simply not possible to do with a reasonable comfort of playing. Ram
Veterans shmeterans - let other people play the game too - and remember - it's only a game - there is also "the outside". That is - if this game fails at some point - you can always go there or - if that's your thing - bury yourself in another social interface like a mmo.
Also - players that are new now will be "veterans" in a couple of years and will furhter "shape the universe" - or maybe you think that without your Unique and Sublime, Veteran self the game will crumble. It's allright to leave man - it's also allright to trust the devs - no one wants you to quit playing but if there are other more pressing matters that will outweight the "major fleet battles" that some thousands actually take part in, in terms of money earned - well RL salaries and dividents and stocks WILL HAVE TO PRIME over your on-line "the handful that shapes the universe" self.
And yes - democracy fails - but there's yet no bettter system, so yes if 51% vote for a president that the other 49% do not - the 49% will have to comply as not doing so will screw up a system that works in favor of something yet not defined.
I'm sure the problem with lag at major encounters is an issue not so lightly solved as you may think also and if they are working on it - it will eventually get done - i'm sure they want too to meet their marketing expectations.
Also - big fleet battles for me also means 50v50 an i'm sure that's impressive as it is. now if you want to push 200v200 ships in a system just to have lag at the entrance and complain - then you need to devise some other kind of plan than simply swarming, cause that isn't supported.
I'm thinking - as a sollution - to cap the number of ships in each opposing alliance in a system at some point. With some bonuses to attackers maybe.
Let's say you have a system you must defend - your alliance guys that can be in at any time is say 50 and then they can't come in - after that only opposing alliance ships are allowed up to a maximum number of 70 ships.
When one dies another ship can be admitted. Then you could use this knowledge to send in reinforcements in packs - like wait for 10 to die then send in the xxx.
This could be further refined as to have something like "slots" for each ship class/type. Like from 50 ships you can have 2capitals/5bb/20 frigates/and so on and so forth - i'm not in the know and i won't speculate on the numbers furhter but i'm sure you get the idea.
This reinforcements method has been successfully used in games like "shogun total war" and to some extent - even in WoW battlegrounds system.
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AnarchistUK
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Posted - 2007.08.02 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: AnarchistUK on 02/08/2007 14:04:11 See original post guys, sign and disable account whilst training a long skill. Let CCP lose some money in the following couple of months. They shouldn't give us the copy and paste treatment in petitions when it's their desync issues. ----------------------------------------------
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Johncrab
Minmatar Typo Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.02 14:27:00 -
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Edited by: Johncrab on 02/08/2007 14:32:35 eh, never mind. no real use in getting upset... it's my own fault I'm too adicted that I can't close down the account
Originally by: ry ry gatecamping is just PvP mining.
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Zepher8062
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Posted - 2007.08.02 14:31:00 -
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GM's, If you would permit me. This is directed to everyone who is complaining about the game.
As most of you are and have been reading in this thread, the game is not dying. The only point you are getting across is that its 4 am and you are having a fit because some new player probably owned you due to desync issues. What is the point of a game? To have fun or to have the unexpected happen to you. Personally I like both, but we are not talking about me here.
The plain and simple truth is if you are so adamant about letting someone know about your time being wasted on a game that you pay for because you are constantly getting lag and Desync, stop wasting you time one the forum in posts that will never help the situation at all. Coming into this Thread and flamming your rear end off hoping for someone in CCP to listen to your threats about leaving the game gives you about as much as a snowball's chance in hell of them listening to you.
For the love of Pod, go strut your stuff in the actual threads for complaints or keep sending in petitions to the GM's until they listen to you. If you cant stand the heat, then just quit the game for a month and cool down. Come back and try again.
Some people just don't understand that coming in the forums every day and spamming will not get the problem fixed any faster. And to tell you the truth, doing so only makes people not want to do it at all.
How would you like it if someone came in and was riding your butt while you were on the treadmill and kept asking all day when you weren't going to be fat anymore.
This stuff takes time. If you wouldn't keep complaining about these problems, CCP wouldn't have to think of new ideas to implement to keep you happy while the lag and desync is being fixed.
Again, for the love of Pod, Take a chill pill. Its healthy to release some anger verbally, but thats what you have pets for.
As for Gm Wrangler. Give him a break, he is doing damn good at his job while having all you on his back. Keep up the Pwnage Wrangler.
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Steph Wing
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.02 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Steph Wing on 02/08/2007 14:45:17
Originally by: AnarchistUK Freedom of speech!
CCP is a private entity, and it not subject to Free Speech laws passed by any political body.
Not that I'm disagreeing with the TC. I just hate it when people pull the freedom of speech card.
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Cardice Makar
Caldari Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.08.02 14:51:00 -
[182]
First, the devs *have* said they're working on it. They've tried several fixes so far, none of them have stopped it completely. So there is work being done. And, for the record, you *cannot* just release fixes at random into production, that spells out disaster with a capital 'STUPID'.
Second, you *cannot* just offhandedly re-assign developers to new tasks. It doesn't work. I've been there. Maybe, I suppose, CCP is a special case because, I don't know, they use demonic blood to power to power the devs or something, that might allow them to switch projects easily. Anything less and the time it takes to get new staff up to speed with the codebase exceeds the time it will take to fix the issues currently at hand.
Third, there have been a thousand other threads about this: simply put, keep putting in your petitions, keep providing useful data, keep adding new information to the official thread currently available. Whining and screaming on the forums just makes you look petty.
Fourth: If you *insist* on whining and threatening to cancel your subscription [I see you haven't left yet, is all] then please, by all means do so. It'll mean less lag and fewer people in battles for the rest of us who have seen worse. Yes, desync is bad, and no I have *no* idea how long you've been playing, but if it's 3+ years then you certainly should have learned that EVE can have issues at times, and they get fixed.
I expect to see you all on the test server when the devs are requesting assistance with the next patch. Until then, may desync only affect your enemies.
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Pociomundo
Gallente World Order The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.08.02 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Even Vanguard had increasing subscription numbers at one point.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.02 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Pociomundo Even Vanguard had increasing subscription numbers at one point.
If a MMO doesn't have increasing subscription numbers at one point then it would be a little difficult to get off the ground, no? ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION | Forum Whiners - Unite! |
Beetle Boy
Minmatar Obsidian Inc. KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 15:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Wrangler and could you tell us how many accounts are 2nd 3rd or even more characters for other already people playing eve. Simply its you see dysinc and you don't do anythign about it. If it wasn't there before the first one happened then what ever you did to make it change it back.
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Sparkius
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.02 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cptn Z
Originally by: Price Watcher
Originally by: CCP Wrangler How did you fail at reporting bugs?
That's really arrogant and cold towards a paying customer.
Bug reporting is clumsy, stupid, and more trouble than a paying customer should have to put up with.
Perhaps you don't remember who really pays you. It's the paying customer.
Learn it, love it, live it.
Well, live with unfixed bugs, Mr. paying customer.
You know, there is always a balance with the amount of payment and amount of troubles.
QFT. If I were CCP, I would cancel the accounts of some of these people. Paying for a service NEVER gives you the right to be abusive to whomever is providing the service. Wrangler is within his bounds calling people out on their behavior and unfounded comments.
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Pociomundo
Gallente World Order The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.08.02 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Pociomundo Even Vanguard had increasing subscription numbers at one point.
If a MMO doesn't have increasing subscription numbers at one point then it would be a little difficult to get off the ground, no?
Thanks for missing the point and irony.
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Le Bon
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.02 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: Le Bon on 02/08/2007 15:41:17
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
That was quite a disgraceful reply to be quiet honest. So your saying you dont give a ****? You have to remember the reason this game increases in users.. word of mouth. When people are leaving your losing the people whome tell more people to come. The people who come to the game new and experiance said problems wont be loyal enough to stay. Logical thinking thier aye Wrangler?
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Dawson
Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 15:42:00 -
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Edited by: Dawson on 02/08/2007 15:43:47
Originally by: Dawson Edited by: Dawson on 02/08/2007 15:39:12 I haven't played this game for a while now due to recent problems and i've played since beta phase 2.
I take no joy in paying for subscription, spending hours, days, weeks and sometimes months of my time for ships which I potentially & have lost due to lag & dsync's on a number of occasions over the years, that has greatly increased just recently with patches.
Not that it has much to do with lag, when you play a game like eve when your fighting 500 man battles what do you expect. I cant think of any other games where that kinda thing happens.
What it boils down to is the time spent to get ships, that were paying for through subscription game time. It gets lost due to game errors/dsync, with ccp giving us the "Our logs show nothing" rubbish, improve your logs, people are willing to put up with lag knowing if they lose ships due to Mass lag/dsync they will get there ship back.
The way I see it, as a example, if I was having a problem with my Internet ISP, i would demand a refund etc and get it. Ccp should be refunding us in some way, not telling us "our logs show nothing".
anyway thats only a short term solution, the problem needs fixing, people will get fed up of that too, every battle they come too unable to play to some degree.
I just find it unacceptable that we get no type of compensation for a unacceptable service.
As it stands now, I will leave this game unless something is done. Even more so when the next space related mmo comes out. I love this game when it works, i'd hate to leave it.
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tikinish
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Posted - 2007.08.02 15:43:00 -
[190]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
would be nice if you could make a main tread with numbers for unscribed, subcribing, and trail accounts made and trail account subcribed... and then give us the numbers once a month:) pls
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ET pwnedhome
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Posted - 2007.08.02 15:44:00 -
[191]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
So older players who are tired of getting killed due to technical reasons beyond their control are leaving but hey, that's cool because new players are coming in because we're spamming the web with eve advertisements!
Right from CCP's mouth; CCP care more about getting loads of new players than fixing the game for the players that have been with them for years.
To be quite honest this is disgusting !!
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Adam Ansari
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Posted - 2007.08.02 15:50:00 -
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God is this thing still going?
Anyone who honestly believes that CCP doesn't care about the problems with their game is downright ignorant.
CCP was a bunch of gamers who made EvE because nothing else like it ever existed before, and they wanted to play it.
Of course they care about desync, of course they are working as hard as they can to fix it. But eve is BIG and the error is a needle in a haystack. It will take time.
I've noticed a lot of rudeness here. "How DARE CCP not lick my boots and call me daddy." kinda crap. Do you file your petitions the same way as you post here?
Being an a-hole to the only people who can help you is a very good way to not get what you want. Speaking as someone in customer service, there is no point in going the extra mile for an a-hole. If you do, you just get attacked for it, as people in this thread have so wonderfully demonstrated by attacking Wrangler for his less then completely serious responses. You people (you know who you are) complain that CCP never responds to your threads, then attack them when they DO respond.
There is no reasoning with a-holes, there is no appeasing them, there is no compromise. It is the a-holes way or the high way, and he's gonna take all his toys and go home if you don't do exactly what he wants. I would rather spend my time helping out people who are nice, understanding, and sound like they are reasonable people. They are more likely to recognize my hard work and say "gee, thanks for all the hard work you are doing just so I can have fun."
Oh, and freedom of speech doesn't exist any time you are on private property. I have yet to see a single computer network in the world that doesn't have a clause that says "we can ban you for any reason we like, at any time, and you just have to deal with that if you want to use our network." CCP gives you a lot of leeway to say what you like on their network, but they are hardly obligated or legally required to do so. Even if you are paying for the service.
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Dawson
Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 15:55:00 -
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Originally by: ET pwnedhome
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Now to implement that influx of money to improve your service. Interesting to see the numbers going up still, how many of the trail accounts then go on to play the game, and how many of those accounts are just people with multiple accounts. I think 50% of corps have players with duel accounts. Not too mention those with daft numbers like 8 accounts.
I'd just wish they would fix the problems, its stopped me from playing over the last month or so, and where there one theres usually more.
I hate it cuz I love playing this game, especially fleet battles, its just that its almost unplayable. My last 2-3 fights resulted in a crap load of lag/dysnc, with the old "our logs show nothing" stuff.
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The Mantra
Caldari Knights of Sovereignty United Corporations of Eve
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Posted - 2007.08.02 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: roadrage639 yup... they just copy and paste the same message in petitions now.. hence why its usually only a few days to get a reply instead of several weeks. They just say our server logs do not show any lag blaw blaw and refuse to show you a copy.
Meh. Having worked on a software support desk for 2 years... the reason you get cut and paste responses from GMs is because GMs don't like typing exactly the same thing out 500 times with slight variations in the wording.
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Jinmie
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Posted - 2007.08.02 16:05:00 -
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They could atleast add a little bit of individuality to each petition, random words perhaps like lightbulbsauagecake to the end so it doesn't feel like you have receieved an automated reply from a computer.
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Montague Zooma
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Adam Ansari God is this thing still going?
Anyone who honestly believes that CCP doesn't care about the problems with their game is downright ignorant.
CCP was a bunch of gamers who made EvE because nothing else like it ever existed before, and they wanted to play it.
Of course they care about desync, of course they are working as hard as they can to fix it. But eve is BIG and the error is a needle in a haystack. It will take time.
I've noticed a lot of rudeness here. "How DARE CCP not lick my boots and call me daddy." kinda crap. Do you file your petitions the same way as you post here?
Being an a-hole to the only people who can help you is a very good way to not get what you want. Speaking as someone in customer service, there is no point in going the extra mile for an a-hole. If you do, you just get attacked for it, as people in this thread have so wonderfully demonstrated by attacking Wrangler for his less then completely serious responses. You people (you know who you are) complain that CCP never responds to your threads, then attack them when they DO respond.
There is no reasoning with a-holes, there is no appeasing them, there is no compromise. It is the a-holes way or the high way, and he's gonna take all his toys and go home if you don't do exactly what he wants. I would rather spend my time helping out people who are nice, understanding, and sound like they are reasonable people. They are more likely to recognize my hard work and say "gee, thanks for all the hard work you are doing just so I can have fun."
Oh, and freedom of speech doesn't exist any time you are on private property. I have yet to see a single computer network in the world that doesn't have a clause that says "we can ban you for any reason we like, at any time, and you just have to deal with that if you want to use our network." CCP gives you a lot of leeway to say what you like on their network, but they are hardly obligated or legally required to do so. Even if you are paying for the service.
I don't defend rudeness, whether it be on the part of players or CCP.
But don't label everyone who has a legitimate complaint as an a-hole.
Customers should express displeasure over shoddy service. If they don't, it can be assumed the problems aren't important to them and thus aren't a top priority for resolution.
Would CCP have instituted an internal affairs unit if customers had't complained about certain incidents which need not be mentioned?
I let my account expire and didn't resubscribe until they clarified their policy on the infamous MSN issue. I also sent them a polite email saying I wouldn't be subscribing again until they addressed the issue.
Calling people a-holes is no solution.
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Aira Phlux
Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.02 16:11:00 -
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Personally I have the biggest issue with the reimbursement "proceedure". With Eve suffering a long term bug, a short term fix should be used to keep people happy.
OK its desyncing all over the shop and its screwing up territory deciding battles and small pew pews alike. People are getting mightly pee'd off about it. Ultimately it would be a lot easier to bear if the reimbursement petitions were more readily accepted.
The standard level GM is unable to act beyond the confines of the "is it logged" policy. So escalation to senior level is the only way you are going to get your stuff back. Long queues ensue and the pee'd off factor increases.
Reviewing the policy on which standard level GMs are able act upon might just save a hell of a lot of time and agro. Yes, I know there could be a lot of people trying to abuse the system but its no worse than leaving it as it is (imbalance wise).
Lastly to those who are saying "you don't like it? go play another game!" - I suspect these players either have not been subjected to the problem(s) or are not involved in factional warfare where this is most common and, in my opinion, the most influencing.
My main (this char) is well over a year old and its a lot of time and effort invested. For the game to suddenly go sour is frustrating. I know wrangler "pointed out" subscriptions are on the up, but its only a matter of time before enough people reluctantly quit.
I'd like to see the reactivation campaign though:
Eve-Online: Now with 90% less desync! -------------------------------------------- The most common phrase on the Eve-O forum of late is: "Oh the irony". It is usually being used to describe hypocrisy which is in itself, ironic.
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Torquemanda Corteaz
Gallente Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.08.02 16:13:00 -
[198]
all I have seen in this thread is wrangler has tried to remain as courteous as possible even though I would imagine he is livid with the spoiled child throwing the rattle out the pram attitude that so many people are throwing around in this thread.
Arguing your point with the community manager is a particularly stupid and fruitless endeavor be thankful he has enough restraint not to bring the banhammer and go on a rampage.
Most people complaining in this thread are looking for someone to blame they're getting answers and just casting them aside and continuing on their long humorless ranting. Honest to God be thankful your getting any kind of response never mind its not the one you want to hear. Writing a post saying "I AM LEAVING" is pathetically insignificant considering for probably every single person who leaves and writes a thread whining about something, there is 10 or even 100 new subscribers to take your place. Take solace in the fact CCP is acknowledging you in any form.
I have experience desyncs in fleet fights and lost ships to it, unless you're flying faction fitted faction bs with HG pirate implants into battle, just get your head down and work to replace the loss, *****ing and crying about isn't going to get you your stuff back
/end rant (replying to this is equally pointless I probably wont read this thread before it falls off the face of the forums, the sooner the better)
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.08.02 16:16:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: Pociomundo Even Vanguard had increasing subscription numbers at one point.
If a MMO doesn't have increasing subscription numbers at one point then it would be a little difficult to get off the ground, no?
and eve has had increasing number for the past 4 years.
not bad. ----------------------------------- I'm working my way through college target CCP
Quote: CCP posted a new dev blog, they are going to bring Nos in line with.....well....logic
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Adam Ansari
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Posted - 2007.08.02 16:19:00 -
[200]
Originally by: Montague Zooma
I don't defend rudeness, whether it be on the part of players or CCP.
But don't label everyone who has a legitimate complaint as an a-hole.
If you aren't that guy, I'm not talking about you. I'm sure there are lots of people who have legitimate complaints about de-sync, and express those complaints respectfully and through the proper channels. I don't see many of those people in this thread to be honest.
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Lady Natacha
Minmatar Water and Power
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Posted - 2007.08.02 16:29:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Le Bon Edited by: Le Bon on 02/08/2007 15:41:17
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
That was quite a disgraceful reply to be quiet honest. So your saying you dont give a ****? You have to remember the reason this game increases in users.. word of mouth. When people are leaving your losing the people whome tell more people to come. The people who come to the game new and experiance said problems wont be loyal enough to stay. Logical thinking thier aye Wrangler?
Umm word of mouth really has little impact here I would imagine.. If you want to make an impact that way, get a bunch of people together posting negative stuff to mmorpg.com so EVE is no longer on the front page.
However, the 7Mil CCP is spending on marketing is probably what is keeping the number of new subscriptions up. CCP also bombards anyone who does quit with 5-day free passes so they can come back and maybe get hooked again.
And well yeah, Wrangler's statement was lame, and he should probably engage his brain next time before making such a statement especially since he is an official mouthpiece for CCP. Lots of other posters here could also benefit from the same advice.
250M implant may disappear: Linkage
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Chadillac
Minmatar The Space Cartel
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Posted - 2007.08.02 16:31:00 -
[202]
My Experience with the GM's and Desync.
I was in an exploration site with all rats dead and 5 cans to hack open. I open the first 2 cans and on the third can i hack it open and am 48m from it but it's telling me to get within 1500m of it. It is only me and a buddy in local. So i have him sit in the site to keep it active so that i may warp out and back in to re-sync myself. It works great.
2 days later i find an identical site and this time i am the only pilot in local. Again i do the site the same way in the same order to see if i get the same problem with desync. As soonÖ as i hacked the third can and tried to open it it again gave me the get within 1500m message.
After sitting in the site for about 10 minutes trying to open other cans or get lucky and get close to one i gave up and filed petition. All i wanted was a GM to spawn in the site and see the desync and allow me to warp out and back in to re-sync. He said no. I then pointed out that this was a known bug and that i could replicate it and maybe they could see how to fix it. I got a "log off for 10 minutes to fix it" reply. I replyed back that was not a fix. and that i only needed 60 seconds of his time. He replys "log off for 10 miutes or dont , those are your choices , and i am closing this petition".
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Paddlefoot Aeon
Neogen Industries Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 16:34:00 -
[203]
Here is proof that the MC mothership was desync'ed. (Check out the range of the target that the Mothership has locked)
Will CCP be reimbursing MC for their loss????
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 16:42:00 -
[204]
Thank you for posting, please send your stuff care of the heimatar services conglomerate, it will all go to the good cause of training new players not to whine like little babies who don't like hard candy and demand chocolate.
Real men fly Pink.
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ET pwnedhome
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Posted - 2007.08.02 16:44:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Torquemanda Corteaz all I have seen in this thread is wrangler has tried to remain as courteous as possible even though I would imagine he is livid with the spoiled child throwing the rattle out the pram attitude that so many people are throwing around in this thread.
Arguing your point with the community manager is a particularly stupid and fruitless endeavor be thankful he has enough restraint not to bring the banhammer and go on a rampage.
Most people complaining in this thread are looking for someone to blame they're getting answers and just casting them aside and continuing on their long humorless ranting. Honest to God be thankful your getting any kind of response never mind its not the one you want to hear. Writing a post saying "I AM LEAVING" is pathetically insignificant considering for probably every single person who leaves and writes a thread whining about something, there is 10 or even 100 new subscribers to take your place. Take solace in the fact CCP is acknowledging you in any form.
I have experience desyncs in fleet fights and lost ships to it, unless you're flying faction fitted faction bs with HG pirate implants into battle, just get your head down and work to replace the loss, *****ing and crying about isn't going to get you your stuff back
/end rant (replying to this is equally pointless I probably wont read this thread before it falls off the face of the forums, the sooner the better)
You don't understand, do you? this "there is 10 or even 100 new subscribers to take your place" whilst an act of disturbing identity swapping - will KILL eve as the quality players vanish and the endgame dies. Sure, CCP may remain solvent with all that churn, but EvE, a game made as much by those who play it, will be long dead, and I don't think you are able to comprehend this subtle yet overwhelmingly important point.
Just look at WoW and juxtapose, would you dare say eve was alive and kicking if we had 8 million players in empire, all mission running and /dance with epic modules?
Never use the increasing playerbase retort, we all know it's the result of eve spammage on heaps of websites of late and nothing to do with improvements in the game.
My last point is that eve took a wrong turn with PoS warfare, it's slowly dawming on more and more people that it's pretty absurd and in the long run insanely repetative.
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Popsikle
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.02 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: Paddlefoot Aeon Here is proof that the MC mothership was desync'ed. (Check out the range of the target that the Mothership has locked)
Will CCP be reimbursing MC for their loss????
No, they wont.
Besides, This looks shopped. I can tell from some of the pixels and from seeing quite a few shops in my time. ____ <t20> i want to be in a manager potition at Hooters <SaraDawn> Garthagk, do you have it up ? <Garthagk> I can get it up anytime. |
Sean Dillon
Caldari Naughty 40
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Posted - 2007.08.02 16:45:00 -
[207]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Which shows you only care about the buck and not about your absolutely crappy services lately.
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Hurm Turvan
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Posted - 2007.08.02 16:46:00 -
[208]
Wow, how old are you people? Are you getting your feelings hurt because you feel unloved by the people that produce your favorite game?
What does it matter if ôthey care aboutö veteran players or not?
You join the most market-oriented, cut-throat unforgiving MMO, and then act like CCP caring about the bottom line is some betrayal of its long-time customers?
The OP was trying to get everyone to cancel their subscriptions until a problem he cares about is fixed. That was intended to the threatening, and makes the assumption that CCP is doing less than it could to fix the problem because it is so confident in its income stream.
While the OP didnĆt say it, Nightbird stated something factually untrue which Wrangler corrected. You children took his tone as evidence that you are unloved, unappreciated, and taken for granted. All he said was you were wrong.
The way he said it may have had something to do with the intended insults thrown at CCP throughout this that they are somehow bad people because they are striving to produce a financially successful game. Bravo Wrangler.
Why do you look for love from developers? Do you need your pizza delivery guy to prove his affection for you too? Do your feelings get hurt when he makes a mistake with your toppings?
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Herculite
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.02 16:47:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Torquemanda Corteaz all I have seen in this thread is wrangler has tried to remain as courteous as possible even though I would imagine he is livid with the spoiled child throwing the rattle out the pram attitude that so many people are throwing around in this thread.
Honestly I could not think of a worst response Wrangler could have had to that original post than the one he did.
I'm not part of the ass kissing school of customer relations, but to people who are getting rather annoyed with how the game has been performing the LAST thing you want to say is that subscriber numbers are up. There are things the devs have done that I didn't agree with but this is the first time I saw a dev post and thought that perhaps CCP isn't the company I thought it was.
Not to compare apples to oranges, but DAOC was a bigger game than EvE and seemed to have everything going for it. At some point their focus shifted from 'great game' to 'great game to make money off of'. A great game will make money, but great game to make money off of will make more money in the short term and then die. While the errors I think they may be making are not all the same kind of errors that killed DAOC, the feeling on how they are developing the game seems very similar. Instead of a 'how do we make the game better' it seems to be 'how do we keep the greatest number of people happy for the time being and what can we do to get more press'.
I really hope I'm wrong, I like EvE better than any MMO I've played and I'm old enough to have played them from day one, but if EvE really does have a 10 year plan I hope that plan is 'How do we make a game someone would want to play for 10 years' instead of 'How do we make a game that can keep 300k subscribers for 10 years'. The difference is subtle but obvious to anyone who has seen MMO development from the first muds and mushes to this.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 17:03:00 -
[210]
It's all so funny
my job is customer service, and if the customer is throwing a tantrum they get what for, and oddly they still come back, because once they cool off, they realise how childish they are and that they deserved a verbal spanking. But gamers refuse to act like adults far too after, its their way or the highway
(and for the record, I still have a job! my manager not only approves of my actions, she gave me a raise, no one, individual or company, has to put up with the sh** of a tantruming consumer wh***, the customer ISN'T always right)
Real men fly Pink.
I've been living in your cassette, It's the modern equivalent, singing up to a Capulet, on a balcony in |
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Hurm Turvan
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Posted - 2007.08.02 17:11:00 -
[211]
IĆm no fanboy, nor am I a programmer etc. but you folks seem to be reading too much into the devĆs actions.
The accusations in this discussion seem to be:
1. CCP had it in its power to avoid the desync bug, but didnĆt care enough to do it.
2. Wrangler proved just how heartless CCP is by contradicting a false statement in a flippant tone.
3. Somehow being a ôgreat gameö and a financially successful game are at odds.
4. Since CCP has a collective character flaw that allowed the desync bug to slip on to TQ, the only proper course of action is to immediately honor any and all petitions that mention the problem.
5. There is some objective way of evaluating the greatness of a game and the purity-of-heart of its developers that is unrelated to subscription numbers, people on-line etc and CCP is failing.
6. CCP is riding out its former success and cashing in, evidenced by the fact that some of the new stuff they made screwed up the old stuff.
If all of these were true, what would the game look like? If none of them were, how different would the devĆs action be from what they have been?
Have you stopped beating you wife?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.02 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: AnarchistUK
Freedom of speech!
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
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ET pwnedhome
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Posted - 2007.08.02 17:31:00 -
[213]
Edited by: ET pwnedhome on 02/08/2007 17:31:29
Originally by: Tortun Nahme It's all so funny
my job is customer service, and if the customer is throwing a tantrum they get what for, and oddly they still come back, because once they cool off, they realise how childish they are and that they deserved a verbal spanking. But gamers refuse to act like adults far too after, its their way or the highway
(and for the record, I still have a job! my manager not only approves of my actions, she gave me a raise, no one, individual or company, has to put up with the sh** of a tantruming consumer wh***, the customer ISN'T always right)
The last time I phoned up customer service to whine I got a free set top box that could record TV programs and stuff. I don't actually use it however (because I keep forgetting to) but I had to know the company (virgin media) actually gave a damn about me, and how they responed to me whining (a very thoughtful and polite whine, ofc) encouraged me to stay. They proved to me "yes, we give a damn about you and your long term commitment to us". Made me feel warm and fuzzy inside. Nothing to do with where I put the set top box, I assure you.
In the case of Eve, people whining because their ships got blown up thanks to lag or the mother-of-grendel aka desynch, have every right to, as long as they are polite and lay out their concerns politely. The comment made by the CCP employee at the start of this thread is just shocking however.... Why? Because suddenly people who have been with CCP for years and breathed life into the virtual galaxy they host, get the impression that a the churn of random players are more important than what they have done, what they have built. I simply can't belive that in a game which struggles to keep up with the technical demands of necassary gameplay tactics, increasing player numbers was used to dismiss an arguement. The shark has officially jumped, or something.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.02 17:45:00 -
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I agree completely, in that if the customer is going to behave like an adult they will often get treated with even mroe courtesy than they need/require
however petetioning for the loss of something that exists in pixels is petty, and whining when you don't get it is BEYOND petty
Real men fly Pink.
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ET pwnedhome
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Posted - 2007.08.02 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Hurm Turvan IĆm no fanboy, nor am I a programmer etc. but you folks seem to be reading too much into the devĆs actions.
The accusations in this discussion seem to be:
1. CCP had it in its power to avoid the desync bug, but didnĆt care enough to do it.
2. Wrangler proved just how heartless CCP is by contradicting a false statement in a flippant tone.
3. Somehow being a ôgreat gameö and a financially successful game are at odds.
4. Since CCP has a collective character flaw that allowed the desync bug to slip on to TQ, the only proper course of action is to immediately honor any and all petitions that mention the problem.
5. There is some objective way of evaluating the greatness of a game and the purity-of-heart of its developers that is unrelated to subscription numbers, people on-line etc and CCP is failing.
6. CCP is riding out its former success and cashing in, evidenced by the fact that some of the new stuff they made screwed up the old stuff.
If all of these were true, what would the game look like? If none of them were, how different would the devĆs action be from what they have been?
Have you stopped beating you wife?
1) I believe CCP are doing everything they can to iron out that bug. Their mini-patch recently was worked great according to some mates.
2) was his statement flippant? does it reflect a deeper sentiment in CCP? we can't know for sure.
3) Nobody would say that, but in the mmo market it's pretty clear some games are just addiction machines designed to milk people of money. Been there, and wised up.
4) The bug is nothing to do with the people of CCP, they are not trying to break their own game. But broke it is so hey, lets keep those end game customers happy till we can fix it.
5) uhm don't understand, sozzle.
6) they did flaunt 4 year old awards on their website, the press release section is all very old '03/4 stuff, not really relevant anymore. Thier current round of adverts seem to be everywhere, lots of 5 day reactiveation trials, etc. The new content for me has been like adding random squares to a chess board and a piece that occupies 4 squares at once. it's just not chess anymore.
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ET pwnedhome
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Posted - 2007.08.02 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tortun Nahme I agree completely, in that if the customer is going to behave like an adult they will often get treated with even mroe courtesy than they need/require
however petetioning for the loss of something that exists in pixels is petty, and whining when you don't get it is BEYOND petty
Pixels are not real? That's just like saying money is only paper, or that it doesn't even exist beyond our belief it has value which if you realise money is created out of thin air, on a simple promise to repay it...
The fact is those pixels do exist, in isk as the currency of time, as a manifestation of the effort people put in and also as pieces on the game board; to think otherwise is absurd, how can they not exist? let's not get ontological about this, i'm really not up to it . I'll agree there is a limit to how seriously you can take it, but as i've not yet threatened to kill anyone in RL, sue CCP or otherwise nuke Iceland, I don't think that limit has been reached.
I have however bought 120k firealarms in preparation for the latter.
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Farham
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.08.02 18:17:00 -
[217]
Quote: That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Sure, if you are proud of Chinese ISK farmers pushing your numbers up.
That doesn't mean the desync issue isn't going to ultimately kill your game very quickly if it isn't resolved.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.02 18:37:00 -
[218]
CCP makes a game. Play it if you want too.
Complicated?
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Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
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Zepher8062
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Posted - 2007.08.02 19:19:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
CCP makes a game. Play it if you want too.
Complicated?
I give you props! this is the shortest, most down to Earth, comment that I have read on this thread. Unfortunately, the people who have had their share of whining in this thread don't think they want to stop.
I refer back to my metaphor In my previous Post:
To keep complaining in these threads is childish. You are the kid Wal-Mart who you hear screaming for a new toy in the Toy department. Then the Mother says no and the little whiners, I mean kid, screams even louder.
If you come into the Gym and **** and moan to me for hours on end while I am on the treadmill and Keep asking when I am not going to be fat anymore, Id be in the same Position as Wrangler to make comments as he did. Grow the hell up people. Its a frickin game. If you don't want to play, leave and play WOW or some crap. And don't say.."Ohh If i leave then CCP will be one less Subscriber.." BIG FRICKEN DEAL I'm sure a lot of us would be glad to see the door hit you on the way out Just so us people who like the game can get on the forums to look at some Blueprints and not run into one of you moaning.
Stop wasting your time spamming on the forums about how things should be better. Get on a plane, fly to Iceland, and fix it yourself. Until then..SHUT UP...PLEASE
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ET pwnedhome
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Posted - 2007.08.02 19:21:00 -
[220]
Originally by: Zepher8062
Originally by: Jim McGregor
CCP makes a game. Play it if you want too.
Complicated?
I give you props! this is the shortest, most down to Earth, comment that I have read on this thread. Unfortunately, the people who have had their share of whining in this thread don't think they want to stop.
I refer back to my metaphor In my previous Post:
To keep complaining in these threads is childish. You are the kid Wal-Mart who you hear screaming for a new toy in the Toy department. Then the Mother says no and the little whiners, I mean kid, screams even louder.
If you come into the Gym and **** and moan to me for hours on end while I am on the treadmill and Keep asking when I am not going to be fat anymore, Id be in the same Position as Wrangler to make comments as he did. Grow the hell up people. Its a frickin game. If you don't want to play, leave and play WOW or some crap. And don't say.."Ohh If i leave then CCP will be one less Subscriber.." BIG FRICKEN DEAL I'm sure a lot of us would be glad to see the door hit you on the way out Just so us people who like the game can get on the forums to look at some Blueprints and not run into one of you moaning.
Stop wasting your time spamming on the forums about how things should be better. Get on a plane, fly to Iceland, and fix it yourself. Until then..SHUT UP...PLEASE
a post about as constructive as hitting a brick with a hammer.
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Zepher8062
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Posted - 2007.08.02 19:27:00 -
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Edited by: Zepher8062 on 02/08/2007 19:27:30
Originally by: ET pwnedhome
Originally by: Zepher8062
Originally by: Jim McGregor
CCP makes a game. Play it if you want too.
Complicated?
I give you... ....EASE
a post about as constructive as hitting a brick with a hammer.
How big of a hammer? Like a Nail hammer or a sledge hammer or a nut hammer... Hey we're all from different places here
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Turin
Caldari RONA Deepspace
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Posted - 2007.08.02 19:33:00 -
[222]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Thats great. Glad to hear that.
now whats being done to fix the desyncs and when can we expect it to be fixed? Thats all anyone really wants to know.
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Saladin
Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.02 19:40:00 -
[223]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
You really think this is the way to address your customer base? People may open new accounts when they have faith that CCP will eventually fix an EvE-wide issue such as this. But then posts like yours demonstrate that this faith is misplaced. ----
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Mallikan
Gallente Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 19:53:00 -
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I just realized the reason why I've come to love this post so much! See, if you're not lying, and you actually do leave, then YAY! The more of you childish noobs that think that desynch is something that CCP can figure out and fix with a flip of the "make the customers happy" switch, the better! This means less of the very same noobs that cry about lag and how CCP should fix lag (something caused by current tech limitations, not CCP). Also, most of the same noobs that pilot the FOTM ships and cry when they get nerfed.
Wow! My day just got 100 times better. By all means, if you think anything like AnarchistUK (the OP if you've forgotten), set a long skill and leave EVE. We'll be here when you come back from whatever crappy grindfest you decide to play. --- I Support The NOS Nerf! If anything just to make you mad.
Proud Member of FATAL Alliance
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dr shark
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.08.02 19:57:00 -
[225]
Edited by: dr shark on 02/08/2007 20:03:07 Edited by: dr shark on 02/08/2007 20:00:48
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Yeah, your right as YOU WERE RIGHT with
"EVE ment to be dark and harsh world"....ofc, thanks to your constant game "improvements" and closing one eye on those little annoying bugs
If you are part of my corp, im sure i argued with you and calling you names
AND...PPL are leaving have nothing to do with current increase of new ppl
Thank you for explaining me , with your post, why we cant hope for these fixes ppl asking about
get a life, and leave PR for somebody else
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The Mantra
Caldari Knights of Sovereignty United Corporations of Eve
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Posted - 2007.08.02 20:03:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Herculite
Originally by: Torquemanda Corteaz all I have seen in this thread is wrangler has tried to remain as courteous as possible even though I would imagine he is livid with the spoiled child throwing the rattle out the pram attitude that so many people are throwing around in this thread.
Honestly I could not think of a worst response Wrangler could have had to that original post than the one he did.
As far as I was aware, Wrangler was NOT responding to the orginal post.
Which is where many people seem to have made a mistake here. If he was referring to the OP it would have been an awful reply. but he wasn't :)
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.02 20:08:00 -
[227]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
I think I found the reason why it's getting so laggy!
Yo, New people, go away!
:D
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K'reemy G'udness
Delicious
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Posted - 2007.08.02 21:03:00 -
[228]
This thread has taught me 3 things:
1. CCP is unable to properly QA their own product; they require the users to do their work for them. (Of course, the users write most of the documentation, in the form of guides, so no surprises here.)
2. CCP doesn't care how many people quit the game because of quality issues, because, hey the subscription numbers keep going up.
3. A wether is a castrated sheep.
Did I miss anything?
Anyway, setting a long skill training, see you in a few months.
Sincerely, K'reemy ---
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Treelox
Amarr Frontier Technologies
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Posted - 2007.08.02 22:28:00 -
[229]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
CCP makes a game. Play it if you want too.
Complicated?
Not complicated at all
So id like to formally annouce my desire to play the game that CCP made about 8-10months ago, and not the bovine scatology that CCP has called release for the last few months. -- http://www./sigs/Treelox/sig.png [orange]signature removed (change the zombie gagging sig) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected] |
Simon Barrow
Basgerin Hounds
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Posted - 2007.08.02 22:35:00 -
[230]
Originally by: Ggrimreaper i appreciate you need help finding desync cause, but you can't exactly run the logserver whilst waiting for a 200 man gang to jump in on you, as you need as much bandwidth as poss to reduce Lag..
were in a catch 22 situation with this..
run the logserver program and you increase Lag don't run it you can't fix the issues...
How bout biting the bullet and handling the increased personal lag for a while until this issue is fixed? Or at least shut up if you dont want to help solve the issue.
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DeODokktor
Caldari Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2007.08.02 22:38:00 -
[231]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Hi Wrangler Since your checking numbers, and showing growth in the company.. Could you check the numbers on old accounts rolling out, vs new accoutns rolling in..
I have no doubt that the userbase is growing in numbers, but what I do wonder about is if the growth of new members is allowing us to skip the fact that older members have quit playing..
Regards Deo
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.08.02 23:35:00 -
[232]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Simple fact: Your like a dealer - you have addict players who cant bear to waste all their skill trainign so far - and have friends in game they dont want to leave.
You game is badly bugged but still playable - and very fun when everything works ok.
As long as you keep it half playable - the addicts will play it.
Please dont crow about subscription numbers and more people playing - its unbecoming.
SKUNK
Originally by: Jeximo I also like how your cat only managed to hit the enter button when he/she jumped on your keyboard.
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Nicho Void
Gallente Hyper-Nova
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Posted - 2007.08.03 01:01:00 -
[233]
Dear CCP, I demand a pony, a GI Joe, and a magical fix to desyncs. I have no database, game design, or even life experience of any kind, but I play video games and think you should fix it. It's not good enough that you've already put out multiple patches in an attempt to fix it...because those patches cause downtime in which I am forced to lead a regular human existence. This is unacceptable.
I'm calling my mother and telling her to cancel my subscription. ---------------
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zattariss
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Posted - 2007.08.03 01:07:00 -
[234]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Wow. Just wow.
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Shannaria
Katana's Edge
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Posted - 2007.08.03 01:13:00 -
[235]
Edited by: Shannaria on 03/08/2007 01:15:51 Edited by: Shannaria on 03/08/2007 01:14:29
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
In other news, CCP doesn't give a crap about their subscribers, they only care about subscriber numbers. It appears they are learning from SOE, a very successful MMORPG develop--oh wait...
Best. Comment. Ever.
Dark Shikari = forum warrior.
If you have a problem with the the game you have created, fix it as soon as you can. But if the problem hurts your paying customer, you have an obligation to fix that as well.
I know of three players that have lost ships in desynch incidents. Only one received any sort of compensation (note: two of the three were in the exact same incident, one compensated, one denied). I'd imagine you'd be hardpressed to find a pilot who DOESN'T have a friend (or him/herself) who has lost an uncompensated ship due to a desynch.
That is unacceptible. It's an SoE-like attitude.
We as a playerbase will be patient while you fix the problem, but don't make us pay for your problem with our game experience.
I don't think that's too much to ask for your "even bigger than last month..." subscriber base, is it?
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Alrione
Amarr Black Lagoon Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.03 01:28:00 -
[236]
And to sum up this epic whine: Can I have everyones stuff, please.
Apart from Wrangler, he just restored my belief in game masters and community managers. --------------------------------
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GhostXile
Katana's Edge
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Posted - 2007.08.03 02:13:00 -
[237]
Edited by: GhostXile on 03/08/2007 02:13:55
Originally by: AnarchistUK Edited by: AnarchistUK on 02/08/2007 01:15:34 This game is borderline screwed. With so many ships, pods, implants being lost due to desyncs (not talking about normal lag here) since Rev 2. Patches have been released to address the desyncs (so CCP admit there are issues), only for their logs to show nothing when you lose your beloved ship. They give you the copy and paste treatment in petitions? Fine! I've set a long skill on both accounts and payments stopped. They want to fob us off with copy and paste? Then they don't get our money.
This is the only way for CCP to acknowledge, we don't want new shiney stuff, we want the damn game fixed and reimburse for THEIR server issues!!!
Set a long skill, end the payments, sign the forum. They can't ban us all!!!
*** EDIT *** This is PURELY about game mechanics, nothing to do with ANY alliance or war. This is about ALL OF US who've been given the same lack of support.
CCP - Don't gag my chars please. I did not swear at all!!!!!!!!! They gagged me because I pasted this link in Jita lol.
You have been gagged by GM Faolchu until 2007.08.02 01:36:09. GM Faolchu's reason was: Swearing in Public Chat Channels.
Freedom of speech!
*** Note **** On the Serenity server, skills no longer train when the owning account is deactivated. Tranquility is not affected by this change.
desync example = you're at a gate, hit warp, client screen stays at the gate, but the server has warped you off.
lag example = you see the gate, but when hostiles jump in, you see nothing for 5 minutes.
You had me at Hello!!! HELP ME TOM CRUISE!!!
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.03 02:24:00 -
[238]
haha scientology
Real men fly Pink.
I've been living in your cassette, It's the modern equivalent, singing up to a Capulet, on a balcony in |
w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.08.03 05:39:00 -
[239]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
CCP makes a game. Play it if you want too.
Complicated?
Without us, what are CCP?
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Nigbale Amare
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.08.03 06:14:00 -
[240]
Originally by: Nicho Void Dear CCP, I demand a pony, a GI Joe, and a magical fix to desyncs. I have no database, game design, or even life experience of any kind, but I play video games and think you should fix it. It's not good enough that you've already put out multiple patches in an attempt to fix it...because those patches cause downtime in which I am forced to lead a regular human existence. This is unacceptable.
I'm calling my mother and telling her to cancel my subscription.
That is the best response on this thread.
Oh- and without the 30-40 guys that posted on this forum CCP is still CCP with less whiners to put pressure on them to fix what they are already fixing.
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Entreri Finwe
Raptus Regaliter Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.08.03 07:41:00 -
[241]
Can people stop saying that CCP doesn't care about/ignoring de-synchs? It's just ingnorant and false.
Reading this thread lessened my IQ by about 10...
Originally by: jarack I de-synced in my bathroom once, now i have no where to wash my hands
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AnarchistUK
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Posted - 2007.08.03 12:06:00 -
[242]
CCP are introducing more shiney stuff i.e. Capital ORE ship..... sort the damn servers out 1st. ----------------------------------------------
"Due to our logs, CCP does not acknowledge you. Have a nice day." |
Victor Adler
The Incredible Machine
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Posted - 2007.08.03 12:20:00 -
[243]
Originally by: AnarchistUK Set a long skill, end the payments, sign the forum. They can't ban us all!!!
You started this thread two days ago. It takes five minutes to set a skill, log out and cancel your subscription. Why are you still here?
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Ryryk Achor
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Posted - 2007.08.03 12:29:00 -
[244]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Probably ISK farmers...
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NeoTech
Minmatar DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.03 12:35:00 -
[245]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Haha, owned. Nice attitude, you should join GoonSwarm tbfh. :P
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:29:00 -
[246]
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Jim McGregor
CCP makes a game. Play it if you want too.
Complicated?
Without us, what are CCP?
Care free? ---
Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, thats what hello kitty online is for.
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AnarchistUK
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:49:00 -
[247]
Originally by: Victor Adler
Originally by: AnarchistUK Set a long skill, end the payments, sign the forum. They can't ban us all!!!
You started this thread two days ago. It takes five minutes to set a skill, log out and cancel your subscription. Why are you still here?
1 account stops tomorrow and the other times out 10th August. I'm letting them run out for what I paid for you nub. ----------------------------------------------
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.03 13:57:00 -
[248]
Originally by: AnarchistUK CCP are introducing more shiney stuff i.e. Capital ORE ship..... sort the damn servers out 1st.
Quit bumping your own whine thread. Also, the content development people can't fix bugs because they're not familiar with the code base, by the way. ------------ ULTIMATE LAG SOLUTION | Forum Whiners - Unite! |
AnarchistUK
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Posted - 2007.08.03 21:19:00 -
[249]
Final conclusion to this thread and answer to CCP's server issues... this is what keeps going wrong when things crash...
CCP SERVERS ----------------------------------------------
"Due to our logs, CCP does not acknowledge you. Have a nice day." |
Rhaegor Stormborn
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.08.03 21:23:00 -
[250]
*Gnash Teeth* *Flames People* *Moons You*
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Trishan
Green Men Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.08.03 22:54:00 -
[251]
Originally by: DarkMatter Wrangler's pointing at sub numbers in the face of this game's crippling problems is akin to a forum poster b!tching about spelling & grammer. They have already lost the argument...
Failing at reading comprehension? Or are you attempting to do something else?
Wrangler's sub number reply was in response to someone saying EVE was dying. Eve might be sick or have growing pains, but as long as the subscription trend keeps going upward, its not dying.
Subscribers is what feeds CCP and what gets them paid for fixing stuff like desyncs. So you should be happy about the number of subscribers.
And perhaps you'd like to reread what's been posted before posting more nonsense.
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Hixxy
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Posted - 2007.08.03 23:21:00 -
[252]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
might be due to the email enticers going out to old subscribers trying to get some new blood back in the game. why ******* bother though when the servers are not stable?
jim (you know who you are)bend over and ccp will make an orderly queue.
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Sin inStyle
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Posted - 2007.08.04 00:43:00 -
[253]
/Signed multiple times
Aside from the trolls and whiners about whiners lol....there is fact to this.
Lag happens i can live with that. Along with bug cheats and a number of common issues in a game this size. What gets me is when CCP says " our logs show nothing " after you tell them in high detail the issue. Atleast reimburse for the issues you admit are here instead of pasting the same response about logs not showing anything.
Lost ships to server lag and desync issues in the last few months.
Nighthawk = T2 fitted and fully hardwire pod Sleipnir = T2 fitted / faction Claymore = T2 fitted / hardwires 768k skill points (long story)
Total refunding = 0 All had the same exact response quoted and im honestly tired of it. CCP needs to own up to the issues when they know they exist.
/Rant off /Flame on
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AnarchistUK
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Posted - 2007.08.04 01:21:00 -
[254]
Originally by: Sin inStyle /Signed multiple times
Aside from the trolls and whiners about whiners lol....there is fact to this.
Lag happens i can live with that. Along with bug cheats and a number of common issues in a game this size. What gets me is when CCP says " our logs show nothing " after you tell them in high detail the issue. Atleast reimburse for the issues you admit are here instead of pasting the same response about logs not showing anything.
Lost ships to server lag and desync issues in the last few months.
Nighthawk = T2 fitted and fully hardwire pod Sleipnir = T2 fitted / faction Claymore = T2 fitted / hardwires 768k skill points (long story)
Total refunding = 0 All had the same exact response quoted and im honestly tired of it. CCP needs to own up to the issues when they know they exist.
/Rant off /Flame on
Exactly my point and you're not the only 1 who's had this rubbish with "logs see nothing"... they know the issues are there!!! Multiple people in the same battle lose ships, ccp release patches... yet logs show nothing rofl ----------------------------------------------
"Due to our logs, CCP does not acknowledge you. Have a nice day." |
C601
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Posted - 2007.08.04 01:38:00 -
[255]
Hands up, who's got the same copy and paste reply.
"We are sorry to hear about your ship loss. Unfortunately we are unable to reimburse the ship as our server-side logs do not indicate that a bug/error within the game or a server related problem was the reason for your loss"
Yeah that's why my ship was right outside the station, 60AU away from 200+ ships where fighting. Give me a break.
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Hixxy
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Posted - 2007.08.04 02:36:00 -
[256]
Originally by: AmusedVermin
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Hmmm...
And the issue here is subscriptions. . .
Good call Wrangler. Hope all CCP are as sharp a cookie as you.
/ signed
gets on bus and licks window.
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w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.08.04 02:44:00 -
[257]
Edited by: w0rmy on 04/08/2007 02:44:56
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: w0rmy
Originally by: Jim McGregor
CCP makes a game. Play it if you want too.
Complicated?
Without us, what are CCP?
Care free?
I can see how not worrying about where youre going to get the cash for your next Enzo could make one care free
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.08.04 02:48:00 -
[258]
Originally by: AnarchistUK
Originally by: Sin inStyle /Signed multiple times
Aside from the trolls and whiners about whiners lol....there is fact to this.
Lag happens i can live with that. Along with bug cheats and a number of common issues in a game this size. What gets me is when CCP says " our logs show nothing " after you tell them in high detail the issue. Atleast reimburse for the issues you admit are here instead of pasting the same response about logs not showing anything.
Lost ships to server lag and desync issues in the last few months.
Nighthawk = T2 fitted and fully hardwire pod Sleipnir = T2 fitted / faction Claymore = T2 fitted / hardwires 768k skill points (long story)
Total refunding = 0 All had the same exact response quoted and im honestly tired of it. CCP needs to own up to the issues when they know they exist.
/Rant off /Flame on
Exactly my point and you're not the only 1 who's had this rubbish with "logs see nothing"... they know the issues are there!!! Multiple people in the same battle lose ships, ccp release patches... yet logs show nothing rofl
"Our logs show nothing!"
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Manic Smile
Tau Ceti Global Production Angels Of Discord
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Posted - 2007.08.04 11:11:00 -
[259]
Epic PvP....failing at 20+ people?
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1328/993582079_6bd1873a53_o.png
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1129/993582201_1292b36f02_o.png
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1052/993582225_a705861787_o.png
And of course there is no desynce...it's all been 'fixed'
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1343/993614917_80d1e0dd7b_o.png
*courtesy of www.flickr.com
I hate the jpeg format.
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Captain Budwieser
LFC FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.04 11:29:00 -
[260]
similar experience for me as the guy above except there was heavy extream lag in the system that just started suddenly for no reason
i never saw a hostile or registered a shot and i get told usual cut and paste rubbish by the GM, attempting to put the blame everywhere from my pc to my isp, strangly not interested in my offer to get a network traffic report tho
after about the third reply the GM started talking non sense about being unable to verify if there was an object within 2500m of my ship (wtf??) obviously pasted the wrong answer by mistake - shows how much they actually read this stuff and having failed to counter my arguments is now just repeating his/her self with slight variations of "we cannot verify therefor your a liar and your not having your ship back" interestingly in the last major desync my petition seems to have copyed itself 3 times if you can beleive that !
and now wrangler giving it smug at the start of this thread, customers are treated with complete distain by CCP and i hope the company will crash and burn over it one day
they deserve nothing less
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Braineater
Minmatar BINFORD
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Posted - 2007.08.04 12:30:00 -
[261]
Originally by: Manic Smile Edited by: Manic Smile on 04/08/2007 11:17:11 let me reword that:
CCPs epic large fleet PvP craps out at under 30 people in an otherwise empty 0.0 system...
(Pictures of "Session change already in progress")
You jumped in, saw four reds at the gate, immediately decloaked and burned back to the gate in order to jump out and were almost killed? There's a 30s timer after jumping in, during which you cannot jump back out. This is why a scout usually sits there until he decloaks and only then runs back to the gate. I've seen many a fast ship that immediately decloaked, ran, bounced and died. ______
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hUssmann
Caldari Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.08.04 12:40:00 -
[262]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
What a fantastic attitude for a CCP employee to have.
Don't forget to remind me to link this the next time a mod tells me to stop flaming.
Ginger Magician > You are merely an effective ganker of haulers who runs at the first sign of combat. |
Freya Selene
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.08.04 12:59:00 -
[263]
Edited by: Freya Selene on 04/08/2007 13:04:15 There is no lag
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Freya Selene
Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2007.08.04 13:04:00 -
[264]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Untill there is another MMORPG released that catches the interest of your customer.
The OP does make a point. I myself been losing ships during strange events where some well known players will get there stuff reimbursed in no time. However all the times, my petittions where rejected. Maby i just have the wrong friends who knows.
As for the account subscriptions increase, aye he.. even i opend a 3th account. Couse the things i wana do i just cant handle with a single account. Bear in mind that at this moment there are no good MMORPG's for pvp'ers in the world of Internet. However there are a dozen about to hit the shelves. The reason a few other MMORPG's died, is cause the lack of customer support and game stability.
Signing off, Freya Sleene.
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darkmancer
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Posted - 2007.08.04 13:08:00 -
[265]
As a personal experiance - ive lost a rigged up cerb to a MC fleet due to the rubber band effect, and a rook to 2 commandships due to nothing loading up when my small gang warped to gate (8 people i think).
Both recieved the usual cut n paste.
However on the flip side, all complex online games sometimes have issues. CCP can't agree to all petitions else the nimbies would whine every time they lost a ship, and make warfare pointless.
So what can CCP do? short term nothing, cut n paste is about the best they can do. long term, better tools and common sense.
A rook in a small gang warps to a gate and is engaged by 2 ships, does the rook jump though the gate? no, jam the enemy? no, mwd off? no, cloak no? fire at the enemy? no, target the enemy? no, sit still and slowly get pounded to pieces - yup.
Kinda hints that something was wrong doesn't it? --------------------------------- There's a simple solution to every problem. It is always invariably wrong |
Manic Smile
Tau Ceti Global Production Angels Of Discord
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Posted - 2007.08.04 21:06:00 -
[266]
Originally by: Braineater
Originally by: Manic Smile Edited by: Manic Smile on 04/08/2007 11:17:11 let me reword that:
CCPs epic large fleet PvP craps out at under 30 people in an otherwise empty 0.0 system...
(Pictures of "Session change already in progress")
You jumped in, saw four reds at the gate, immediately decloaked and burned back to the gate in order to jump out and were almost killed? There's a 30s timer after jumping in, during which you cannot jump back out. This is why a scout usually sits there until he decloaks and only then runs back to the gate. I've seen many a fast ship that immediately decloaked, ran, bounced and died.
Give me the benefit of the doubt please...I know I didn't explain it in detail but that was to save space. What happened is we were camping another gate in the same system in the Tri pipe praticing our FCing and all that. We were ****ing around with a shuttle and a Raven and waiting for the response when our scout reported 13 incoming with better ships. So we decided to run back the other way. So we warped to the gate, in the same system, headed by towards home to try and maybe engage if they came in sporadicly but Tri did it almost textbook with a mass warp in, 2 or 3 went through gate and then dictor droped bubble at gate. We were prepared for the dictor and all at 0 already but when I hit jump, waaaaaayyyy before quater shields...well you see the result.
There are no timers as I fired no shot and I was in system for over 10min. You can see the message clearly. Either there was a lag spike and I was dead long before I tried to jump or I desynced.
*courtesy of www.flickr.com
I hate the jpeg format.
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Erim Solfara
Amarr House of Solfara
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Posted - 2007.08.04 21:22:00 -
[267]
Edited by: Erim Solfara on 04/08/2007 21:26:02
Originally by: AnarchistUK
*** Note **** On the Serenity server, skills no longer train when the owning account is deactivated. Tranquility is not affected by this change.
I sincerely hope this isn't being introduced...
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
In other news, CCP doesn't give a crap about their subscribers, they only care about subscriber numbers. It appears they are learning from SOE, a very successful MMORPG develop--oh wait...
Too true seemingly :(
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Manic Smile
Tau Ceti Global Production Angels Of Discord
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Posted - 2007.08.04 21:38:00 -
[268]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
It's good to know that the gold farmers with their alt armies are going strong and growing...
Seriously Wrangler I don't mean disrespect but how can you deny the problems of this game...it's like the "there's no global warming" administration with the ice melting all around us. People may not be quitting in droves because you still have the best damn real pvp space game around but not all this unrest is just talk. I'm sick of being told you see nothing 'on your server side logs' only to have you 'fix' the problem weeks later only to have the same problem repeat again after.
*courtesy of www.flickr.com
I hate the jpeg format.
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DRACO selen
Troublemakers
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Posted - 2007.08.04 22:09:00 -
[269]
I tryed to make a run with my hauler today... and this is what happened:
I arrived at a gate and clicked "jump"... nothing happend *click again* "session change in process"... after about a minute i just saw this:
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/975/28288391lm5.jpg (noone in local, no npc's at the gate, what happend? why i'm taking dmg and why cant i swich on my shield booster?!)
after another 2 minutes i go frozen screen for about 10 sec and then this: http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/8656/totodernichtaw3.jpg (killed by npc's wich were not at the gate, my iteron is a wreck the GSC i had in cargo dropped but i'm still piloting my "wreck"? look at the timestamp the concord mail is from 21:26 and my client show's 21:31)
after 5 minutes i tryed to relog and found myself in a pod in u-t.
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Arngorf
Minmatar x13
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Posted - 2007.08.04 22:32:00 -
[270]
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Bwahahahahaha! Owned.
LOL, Tarminic.
You sure know how to put things ________________________________________________ FORMER!!! I said FORMER Pirate...
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me bored
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Posted - 2007.08.04 22:38:00 -
[271]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
In other news, CCP doesn't give a crap about their subscribers, they only care about subscriber numbers. It appears they are learning from SOE, a very successful MMORPG develop--oh wait...
I salute you, brave forum warrior.
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General Cane
Federation of Synthetic Persons
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Posted - 2007.08.04 22:46:00 -
[272]
Edited by: General Cane on 04/08/2007 22:52:33 Edited by: General Cane on 04/08/2007 22:48:04 wonderfull, a dev replying with a flame of subscription numbers. Thats really what we want. AND thats exactly what he meant about whats wrong with your customer support...
gratz ccp.
edit: and not to mention that i cant logon since 4 hours with 1 of my 3 accs... good work. now fix your damn fcking game and then come back and brack with your subscription numbers.
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Manic Smile
Tau Ceti Global Production Angels Of Discord
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Posted - 2007.08.05 01:50:00 -
[273]
Originally by: DRACO selen I tryed to make a run with my hauler today... and this is what happened:
I arrived at a gate and clicked "jump"... nothing happend *click again* "session change in process"... after about a minute i just saw this:
http://img182.imageshack.us/img182/975/28288391lm5.jpg (noone in local, no npc's at the gate, what happend? why i'm taking dmg and why cant i swich on my shield booster?!)
after another 2 minutes i go frozen screen for about 10 sec and then this: http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/8656/totodernichtaw3.jpg (killed by npc's wich were not at the gate, my iteron is a wreck the GSC i had in cargo dropped but i'm still piloting my "wreck"? look at the timestamp the concord mail is from 21:26 and my client show's 21:31)
after 5 minutes i tryed to relog and found myself in a pod in u-t.
Same problem as me. I can tell you what your petition response will look like:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1343/993614917_80d1e0dd7b_o.png
*courtesy of www.flickr.com
I hate the jpeg format.
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Ghost Reaper
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.05 02:34:00 -
[274]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Out of curiosity howmany of them were GTC's and howmany were new subscriptions?
As for the servers not showing logs, thast just a standard response. The servers do show the logs, but its such a wide spread problem that they cant return the ships to everone. When the problem 1st arose, i got 2 megas back within a few days (desyncs in fleet fights 4tl).
FOr the main part they have solved a lot of issues were desyncing accaused, but lets not forget this was out before rev 2 was released, and normaly happend with super caps. And yet again, is mainly happening with super caps again.
On a side note, how can ur servers not show logs to it, as the servers show logs for damage messages and so on. Now for example if a user provides evidence, as in fraps or screenshots of this. You can check servers to see this person wasn't loged off, was taking the damage, and his screen doesnt show him being there, whats with that?
Gr
Latest Vid: Blood Shock |
Britt Foxx
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Posted - 2007.08.05 03:52:00 -
[275]
Originally by: General Cane Edited by: General Cane on 04/08/2007 22:52:33 Edited by: General Cane on 04/08/2007 22:48:04 wonderfull, a dev replying with a flame of subscription numbers. Thats really what we want. AND thats exactly what he meant about whats wrong with your customer support...
gratz ccp.
edit: and not to mention that i cant logon since 4 hours with 1 of my 3 accs... good work. now fix your damn fcking game and then come back and brack with your subscription numbers.
Thats it right there. Wranglers response stunk of raw arrogance. CCP has gotten so fat and lazy it's pathetic. This game has slowly gone downhill since the cold war patch a few years ago. When everyone votes with their feet as i have done(last day for me on this last account)then maybe they will get a clue. The only subscription numbers i personally care about are my accounts. I wont feed their greed beast anymore for this crap they call a game.
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Fingapup
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Posted - 2007.08.05 23:44:00 -
[276]
Advertising provides the new subscribers. Bad game experiences do not deter as many people as are seduced by the shiny adverts.
But, sad to say, I have to agree with the original post. I could live without heat or boosters or even rigs if the game worked smoothly.
Newer Bigger Shinier isn't always the way to build a bus. Pay the Mechanic not the Body Shop!
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Hayah Theos
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Posted - 2007.08.06 00:42:00 -
[277]
Edited by: Hayah Theos on 06/08/2007 00:44:40
Originally by: Mari Onette Edited by: Mari Onette on 01/08/2007 23:40:47
Originally by: Ggrimreaper
with all due respect Wrangler I know of at least a dozen ppl from our alliance who have quit and i know of quite a few more thinking about it...
I thought Spartans were supposed to fight to the (node) death...
As an aside, I don't mind that older players are leaving the game. It means 1 less 3 year old player with a dreadnaught that I have to worry about. The loss of players with lots of experience is saddening, and it is saddening to those who knew the players, but from a gameplay standpoint it is not that bad, provided you are getting new players and retaining them (which ccp is doing a fairly good job at I'd say).
Old players leaving means that there is a power vacuum that newer players can fill. It's sad to see old faces go, but it's even cooler to meet new awesome people.
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You are incorrect in your understanding of the situation. While "old players" may leave the game, their Toons rarely do. They are just sold or passed to the existing power structure to further solidify the BORG's death-grip on EVE.
And why all these negative comments about EVE? Don't you people know EVE is perfect "as is"? The FanBois say so...
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w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.08.06 02:46:00 -
[278]
Edited by: w0rmy on 06/08/2007 02:50:37
Originally by: Manic Smile
let me reword that:
CCPs epic large fleet PvP craps out at under 30 people in an otherwise empty 0.0 system...
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1328/993582079_6bd1873a53_o.png http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1129/993582201_1292b36f02_o.png http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1052/993582225_a705861787_o.png
And of course there is no desynce...it's all been 'fixed'
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1343/993614917_80d1e0dd7b_o.png
You know I realize could have been a huge lag spike but it's got the same effect of making PvP kinda pointless and it's not just me.
OMG WOW!!!!
Since I was there, and killed you, I can tell you things from what I saw...
Your gang jumped, except two of you, you sat stationary and allowed us to kill you, and it didnt take 9minutes :P
Nor was CurlUp and Terianna in system when myself and bob engaged you...
I seriously cannot believe (Having seen these screens shots, and having actually been there) that you did not get your ship back!
Actually, having filed petitions for this same thing myself, I unfortunately can
But hey everyone, atleast we have EVE-Voice!!!!!
Originally by: Braineater
Originally by: Manic Smile Edited by: Manic Smile on 04/08/2007 11:17:11 let me reword that:
CCPs epic large fleet PvP craps out at under 30 people in an otherwise empty 0.0 system...
(Pictures of "Session change already in progress")
You jumped in, saw four reds at the gate, immediately decloaked and burned back to the gate in order to jump out and were almost killed? There's a 30s timer after jumping in, during which you cannot jump back out. This is why a scout usually sits there until he decloaks and only then runs back to the gate. I've seen many a fast ship that immediately decloaked, ran, bounced and died.
No, He and his gang warped from one gate, to the gate seen in the picture, where all his gang managed to jumped, except 2 ships, which appeared to attempt to play possum with us.
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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Captain Budwieser
LFC FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.06 05:01:00 -
[279]
Originally by: w0rmy I seriously cannot believe (Having seen these screens shots, and having actually been there) that you did not get your ship back!
Actually, having filed petitions for this same thing myself, I unfortunately can
yeah thats honest of you to say so i was in a fight once, cant remmber exactly where, and we were all on a gate and a big old fleet warps in and everything slows right down and i spy this astarte in front of me so i go for it, me in a deimos drones out - and then the server finally buckles and we all desync
unlucky for that guy my guns were on and my drones out, i couldnt see his armour dropping but i knew he was dieing :) (lol exploiter)
i stayed for a while and then i got a little red in my shield and clicked to warp out - 5 miutes later i did warp out, my shield dropping all the time - arrived at a planet my shield is still taking hits, lucky for me it stopped before armour and it was all good
i hope that guy got his ship back even tho he did make a nice kill mail :) cause all that time i knew damn well he couldnt even target me back
unless these problems are going to go away tomorrow its time to rethink the way GMs interact with the players and i think we have all had quite enough of "we cant verify" or "we checked our logs but..." its not a free ride im arguing for but maybe just a little bit of fairness and if GMs have to work a bit harder to provide that then so they should
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Devilish Ledoux
Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.06 05:20:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Manic Smile Edited by: Manic Smile on 04/08/2007 11:17:11 let me reword that:
CCPs epic large fleet PvP craps out at under 30 people in an otherwise empty 0.0 system...
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1328/993582079_6bd1873a53_o.png
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1129/993582201_1292b36f02_o.png
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1052/993582225_a705861787_o.png
And of course there is no desynce...it's all been 'fixed'
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1343/993614917_80d1e0dd7b_o.png
You know I realize could have been a huge lag spike but it's got the same effect of making PvP kinda pointless and it's not just me.
That is precisely what happened to me. Everything was fine one moment, and then my modules stopped turning on and off, and when my ship ran out of HP (Sleipnirs do that when you don't/can't turn on the shield booster), the ship wouldn't explode, and the only modules I could see were the ones that turned out to be destroyed. I even got the exact same cut/paste response. I requested escalation (and after the second time I asked, it was escalated). Still waiting on a response, but I'm not hopeful. Like I said before, it's a tough spot for the GMs when the logs show nothing, especially when they KNOW there's a problem that they can't quite locate. Of course, that doesn't make losing a ship to it any less sucky for us. _
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Captain Budwieser
LFC FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.06 05:41:00 -
[281]
escalation means they read it and wonder down to the staff lounge where mr. important GM is feasting on donuts and watching tv and tell him they got one whos arguing and what should they do ?
"arguing eh? well our logs will show them! everything on our end was working with 101% effciency and the problem was caused by your isp/cache/p2p programs/software problems in general/hardware problems/network problems/honesty problems/owning up that the servers cant cope in some situation problems/the sun was shining and any other problems that "fall under normal game play, hardware or network problems on the customer end."
its not their server at all
further...
"We regret to inform you that we have not been able to verify exactly what happened to you and thus are not able to reimburse you. We can only use our server logs for verification as this is the only secure information that we have. Unfortunately, they do not have the information that would be required for reimbursement in this case. I apologize for the inconvenience this has caused you and wish you a speedy recovery. "
whats that smell? keep alot of cows near CCP hq do they?
if the logs are really that bad how do CCP even know this problem exists ? from their point of veiw everything must be working fine - the logs clearly show nothing whatsoever
i do beleive they asked us to run log server in another thread and maybe that would help us with petitions.... ahhh drat! GMs dont accept player evidence do they ?
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w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.08.06 06:32:00 -
[282]
Originally by: DRACO selen
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/8656/totodernichtaw3.jpg (killed by npc's wich were not at the gate, my iteron is a wreck the GSC i had in cargo dropped but i'm still piloting my "wreck"? look at the timestamp the concord mail is from 21:26 and my client show's 21:31)
after 5 minutes i tryed to relog and found myself in a pod in u-t.
You got destroyed in one system, logged off, and logged back in in a different system?
oh my
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
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AnarchistUK
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Posted - 2007.08.06 14:12:00 -
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Edited by: AnarchistUK on 06/08/2007 14:14:36 When desynced, you can still warp around (if the lag doesn't kill the right-click menu).
I was desynced in 1 battle, hit warp towards an outpost, but the screen didn't leave the gate. I waited 1 minute and right click to warp to a POS. I waited 1 minute and relogged. There I was... inside the POS. lol
1 account offline for 30+ days. This char goes offline soon ----------------------------------------------
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.06 14:17:00 -
[284]
If you quit, will you finally quit bumping your useless, whiny thread? ------------ Whiners - Unite! Tarminic - 25 Million SP in Forum Warfare. |
Laah T'Sin
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Posted - 2007.08.06 14:43:00 -
[285]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Well I'm very glad for CCP but maybe an answer to our requests would have been nice..? Or is CCP saying that desync is good for the game? Or why do you defend your Devs by telling us that many people are creating new accounts? If thats true then CCP should have even more interest in fixing their game.. becuase all those new players will also sooner or later want to fight in "epic fleet battles" (as advertised by CCP) which are acutally not possible due to desycn.
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Laah T'Sin
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Posted - 2007.08.06 14:51:00 -
[286]
Edited by: Laah T''Sin on 06/08/2007 14:51:32
Originally by: DRACO selen
http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/8656/totodernichtaw3.jpg (killed by npc's wich were not at the gate, my iteron is a wreck the GSC i had in cargo dropped but i'm still piloting my "wreck"? look at the timestamp the concord mail is from 21:26 and my client show's 21:31)
after 5 minutes i tryed to relog and found myself in a pod in u-t.
Thats funny. Something like this happend to a friend of mine. He was flying a thorax, jumped into camped system, desynched/lagged up and then disconnected. After he relogged (about 10+ mins later) he had gotten a kill mail for his thorax but way actually still sitting in the supposedly destroyed thorax. He even was able to target people so he killed a few pods, got killmails for them, then was engaged and dies again (and got a second killmail for his thorax with other items being destroyed or having survived then in the first KM). So basicly he podded 4 people with a ship that actually didn't exist. The GM response was also as usual.. "nothing in logs" even thouh he could provide the GM with exact infos, screenshots and even the double-KM.
very strange... but hell... it's not the game.. it's our ISPs or maybe a collective hallucination..?
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Eriol Hiiragizawa
Empyreal Paradox
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Posted - 2007.08.06 16:12:00 -
[287]
People appear to be confusing the statements "CCP has poor customer service" with "I put 'desync' or 'lag' in my petition and didn't get my ship back". Considering EvE as a game environment, I don't particularly trust the honesty of a majority of the people that play it.
In fact, doesn't the current problem of desync on TQ revolve around the fact that client and server aren't communicating properly with each other? If the client is doing one thing while the server throws it's hands in the air and declares everything just fine, then there will be no logs that constitute evidence whenever a reimbursement is concerned.
Giving the benefit of the doubt here just wouldn't work (Even though everyone knows, including CCP, that there's a problem), then anyone who lost a ship could just hit F12, put "desync" somewhere in the text box and get their ship back, regardless if it was a legit kill or a real problem.
Here's hoping the new server hardware and subsequent fixes clear the issues out. -------------------- In Soviet HED, Gate camps YOU! |
Misses Gap
Caldari The Lantern Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.06 16:19:00 -
[288]
Originally by: Eriol Hiiragizawa People appear to be confusing the statements "CCP has poor customer service" with "I put 'desync' or 'lag' in my petition and didn't get my ship back". Considering EvE as a game environment, I don't particularly trust the honesty of a majority of the people that play it.
In fact, doesn't the current problem of desync on TQ revolve around the fact that client and server aren't communicating properly with each other? If the client is doing one thing while the server throws it's hands in the air and declares everything just fine, then there will be no logs that constitute evidence whenever a reimbursement is concerned.
Giving the benefit of the doubt here just wouldn't work (Even though everyone knows, including CCP, that there's a problem), then anyone who lost a ship could just hit F12, put "desync" somewhere in the text box and get their ship back, regardless if it was a legit kill or a real problem.
Here's hoping the new server hardware and subsequent fixes clear the issues out.
Here is hoping that this issue becomes a first priority , i.e. higher than merely aquiring new subscribers to make up for those leaving because of it..
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Yagyu Retsudo
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Posted - 2007.08.06 16:31:00 -
[289]
Edited by: Yagyu Retsudo on 06/08/2007 16:32:09
Originally by: Eriol Hiiragizawa People appear to be confusing the statements "CCP has poor customer service" with "I put 'desync' or 'lag' in my petition and didn't get my ship back". Considering EvE as a game environment, I don't particularly trust the honesty of a majority of the people that play it.
In fact, doesn't the current problem of desync on TQ revolve around the fact that client and server aren't communicating properly with each other? If the client is doing one thing while the server throws it's hands in the air and declares everything just fine, then there will be no logs that constitute evidence whenever a reimbursement is concerned.
Giving the benefit of the doubt here just wouldn't work (Even though everyone knows, including CCP, that there's a problem), then anyone who lost a ship could just hit F12, put "desync" somewhere in the text box and get their ship back, regardless if it was a legit kill or a real problem.
Here's hoping the new server hardware and subsequent fixes clear the issues out.
Well TBH if you have not run into desynch you have not played much. While I agree with you in principle that reimbursing all ships can and WOULD be exploited, the current situation is unacceptable.
Don't even get me started on what causes the desynch, which I consider related the the problem some have with the clientside UI not updating damage information (ie suddenly youre in structure when you had full shields on your screen) If you check support they will go on about overclocking and CMOS batteries, but I know they're really scratching their heads as to the true cause.
I guess the point is since there is a serious problem, they need to do more to acknowledge it than reply 'lol sucks bout your ship killed in lag hole, no restitution for you!'
Otherwise people are going to stop playing, because noone wants to jeopardize investments of time in battles that end up being decided by who the server hijinks.
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Eriol Hiiragizawa
Empyreal Paradox
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Posted - 2007.08.06 16:37:00 -
[290]
Originally by: Yagyu Retsudo While I agree with you in principle that reimbursing all ships can and WOULD be exploited, the current situation is unacceptable.
Catch 22
I wouldn't be surprised, however, if the somewhat sudden announcement regarding new server hardware had something to do with the current problems. RAMSANs are not cheap by any stretch of the imagination. -------------------- In Soviet HED, Gate camps YOU! |
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Mark Hamill
Galactic Waste Management
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Posted - 2007.08.06 17:26:00 -
[291]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Ggrimreaper
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
with all due respect Wrangler I know of at least a dozen ppl from our alliance who have quit and i know of quite a few more thinking about it...
Well, the average time a person stays with a MMOG is somewhere between 6 and 12 months, very roughly, so any corporation or alliance would have people joining and leaving at any time.
I'm not saying there aren't issues with EVE, though we do work hard to get things resolved, we're constantly working on improving hardware, software and content.
But I see the subscription numbers, and the idea that EVE is going to die because people are leaving is simply not true, those subscription numbers go up every month.
Mythic Entertainment had this same arrogant optimism once upon a time. They thought that they could continue to implement changes without listening to their playerbase and thought that the success of their advertising campaigns meant that the players liked the way they did things. The more they 'tinkered' with the game, ignored blatant bugs, made sweeping, unpopular changes and swung the nerfbat because they thought they knew what the players wanted, the more the playerbase got fed up. In a period of about 6 months, their new subscriptions dried up and their playerbase numbers dropped like a rock and never came back.
DAOC is now but a shadow of what it once one because of arrogant optimism just like this. Players will tolerate a badly operating MMO for only so long.
Continue to think that you can brush the problems the OP adressed aside, continue to think that you can point to subscription numbers as a justification for adding new things and not fixing what's broken, continue to think that your MMO is unsinkable Capt. Smith. and that iceberg is going to smack right into your wallet.
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Laah T'Sin
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Posted - 2007.08.06 17:27:00 -
[292]
Edited by: Laah T''Sin on 06/08/2007 17:29:41
Originally by: Eriol Hiiragizawa If the client is doing one thing while the server throws it's hands in the air and declares everything just fine, then there will be no logs that constitute evidence whenever a reimbursement is concerned.
Ok i can understand that. And it's also clear to me why CCP can't just trust everyone that lost a ship to "lag" or "desync" but if the server sends you two kill mails for one and the same ship (with many minutes inbetween) then there should be logs for that or not? the ship destruction must have registered with the server in order to send you a kill mail so there must at least be evidence that two seperate kill mails were sent for one and the same ship (since i'm guessing every item has some form of unique ID so you'de have to see two kills for one ID or not?)
Oh well i don't care about reimbursments anyway.. i never made use of this option before since my ships are bought and fit to die. What i have problems with is the way CCP often reacts towards angry customers. Sure we (or at least i) sometimes loose perspective and get stupid but it's also not like we don't have some reasons for our rage... the quality of customer support is not exactly highly praised and the server stability / playability of EVE is also not one of legend so i think a "sorry" would kinda be the least you'd expect and certainly not a near-mocking reaction (which usually makes the imperession that the customer is telling ties to the GM and thats not very positive after your angry anyway for loosing something). |
Kruel
Blunt Force Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.08.06 17:27:00 -
[293]
I estimate that I've lost about 1b so far due to bugs/lag/desyncs in this game.
That's about 9 months worth of game time if I had used that isk to buy GTCs instead of replacing ships.
I'm just hoping some other decent space MMO comes out. Right now CCP basically has the space MMO scene covered, so if we don't like something all we can do is quit or keep plugging away. Maybe customer service would be better in Eve if CCP had some competition.
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.06 17:48:00 -
[294]
Originally by: Eriol Hiiragizawa Giving the benefit of the doubt here just wouldn't work (Even though everyone knows, including CCP, that there's a problem), then anyone who lost a ship could just hit F12, put "desync" somewhere in the text box and get their ship back, regardless if it was a legit kill or a real problem.
Why would you think so? If the policy changes from "I can't see squat in my logs" to "if I prove that you're trying to abuse the petition I'll ban you for 1week at least", things might be a whole lot better and the petition queue much much shorter.
That's because I realy believe that with their "investigative tools" they can at least make very good, educated guesses about what realy transpired.
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Zeke Novak
Dirty Underwear Gang Inc. Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.08.06 18:55:00 -
[295]
Originally by: Laah T'Sin Edited by: Laah T''Sin on 06/08/2007 17:29:41
Originally by: Eriol Hiiragizawa If the client is doing one thing while the server throws it's hands in the air and declares everything just fine, then there will be no logs that constitute evidence whenever a reimbursement is concerned.
Ok i can understand that. And it's also clear to me why CCP can't just trust everyone that lost a ship to "lag" or "desync" but if the server sends you two kill mails for one and the same ship (with many minutes inbetween) then there should be logs for that or not? the ship destruction must have registered with the server in order to send you a kill mail so there must at least be evidence that two seperate kill mails were sent for one and the same ship (since i'm guessing every item has some form of unique ID so you'de have to see two kills for one ID or not?)
If you're not leaving anything out, your situation makes it pretty obvious that some GM's are not investigating the situations at all. If they can't be arsed to read two killmails and check the id's of the ships involved, I wonder what other obvious, and presumably easy to look up when you have GM tools, information they're ignoring to keep the queues moving.
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Ser Prius
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Posted - 2007.08.06 19:59:00 -
[296]
/signed
Fix the game before you add anything new. Hint: Adding more hardware won't help.
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Solan
Dreamscape Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.08.06 20:14:00 -
[297]
What frustrates me is that CCP can't "log" this bug so therefore can't give reimbursements. I have a hard time swallowing a loss when I never received the chance to defend myself due to a bug (desynch) in the software.
-Solan
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Angry Alt
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.06 20:25:00 -
[298]
Don't worry. When EVE finishes dying a horribly slow death, at least we'll have CCP's World of Darkness MMO to play!
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bhuddda
Gallente Ardler Pirates
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Posted - 2007.08.06 20:47:00 -
[299]
had my 1st desynch roughly a month before RevII , lost a t2 apoc , full set of +4 imps ,dmg imps and warfare mindlink outside a station even though my client showed me still at the pos
If the dock function wasn't bugged it might have even docked as commanded while still showing me at the pos
was in a gang of 30 with 60 in local and had warped to a gate from a pos when reports of still being in warp, strange lag etc came through on TS , warped back to the pos thought my client was ok so i hit dock as station was clear but got no response , so dosnt have to be big fleets that causes the desynch.
the copy and paste reply i got from GM made me wanna smash my console, maybe because i keep thinking im a paying customer with consumer rights etc
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Garrett Smith
ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.06 21:34:00 -
[300]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Stop bragging and fix the ******* game or I WILL quit! Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom Shaka Laka Laka, Boom! -Sahwoolo Etoophie |
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Da Ram
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Posted - 2007.08.06 22:35:00 -
[301]
Originally by: Garrett Smith
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
Stop bragging and fix the ******* game or I WILL quit!
Question is - will they even begin to feel it in time, with all the new subscribers pouring in ?
Ram
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roadrage639
The Cons
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Posted - 2007.08.06 23:52:00 -
[302]
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Nightbird /signed.
Your game is broken, and people are leaving. Your customer service is lacking, and it will be the downfall of this game.
That's strange, cause I just checked the subscription numbers, and apart from them increasing every month, this month had an even bigger increase than last month...
goto spec savers you silly nooblet.. you and ur ccp friends cant read ****... you cant even read logs correctly and cant even type indivdual replies to people (copy and paste from notepad) ---------------- If You Can't Kill It, Slap It! The Man Who Runs Will Fight Again
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Sin inStyle
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Posted - 2007.08.13 15:42:00 -
[303]
Quote: Mythic Entertainment had this same arrogant optimism once upon a time. They thought that they could continue to implement changes without listening to their playerbase and thought that the success of their advertising campaigns meant that the players liked the way they did things. The more they 'tinkered' with the game, ignored blatant bugs, made sweeping, unpopular changes and swung the nerfbat because they thought they knew what the players wanted, the more the playerbase got fed up. In a period of about 6 months, their new subscriptions dried up and their playerbase numbers dropped like a rock and never came back.
DAOC is now but a shadow of what it once one because of arrogant optimism just like this. Players will tolerate a badly operating MMO for only so long.
Continue to think that you can brush the problems the OP adressed aside, continue to think that you can point to subscription numbers as a justification for adding new things and not fixing what's broken, continue to think that your MMO is unsinkable Capt. Smith. and that iceberg is going to smack right into your wallet.
I played DAOC for 3 and a half yrs and I canceled 3 accounts for that exact reason. spent days working on a trial to get to the end with 100 other people to have it lock and their responses was sorry cant help ya cant prove you did the steps so your gona have to start over. I canceled that week.
This game isnt far behind for me. Loseing isk from lagged out ships is one thing. after loseing 18 days of skill points to a lost pod because I was unable to warp, dock or anything else has made me rethink. Seriously I am paying $30 a month to bust my behind ratting/missioning/mining to make isk to buy ships. These ships are not intended to die they are intended to PLAY the game. If I die playing then I'm fine with that. If I die because of a bug REPEATIDLY then I have an issue with it.
Now I've lost time. That cant be made back EVER. yes I can reskill the 18 days which would take 18 days so I will forever be short 18 days. Lost time is unexcusable. Yes I made a mistake I didn't have my clone at a medicle so I had to move a pod without a clone to another station. thats no excuse for lag to cost me the time.
The problem is CCP sees the people leaving and the people joining. the average life span of a MMO is about 3 yrs so eve is on borrowed time as it is. So when a member like myself leaves after 2+ yrs its conciderd "expected" and they assume the new accounts will pick up the slack. That mind set killed Daoc. It was dead within a month of my departure so thats proof I stick it out till the end. Wake up CCP....your vision will be an empty one if you keep this up. And no I'm not threatning to quit, if I decide to quit there wont be a point in threats. It will be to late.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.13 15:50:00 -
[304]
Necro (even minor necro) makes baby Jesus cry. ------------ Whiners - Unite! Tarminic - 25 Million SP in Forum Warfare. |
Sin inStyle
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Posted - 2007.08.13 15:54:00 -
[305]
A week get over it. I was on vacation I just got back.
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Araxmas
The Blue Dagger Mercenery Agency
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Posted - 2007.08.13 16:30:00 -
[306]
Will you all shut-up. --------
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DiseL
Dirt Nap Squad FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.13 18:34:00 -
[307]
While I don't see myself quitting the game I do play less because of this issue and a few others. I guess in a way that is better for CCP because they get my $$$ and little play time out of me. I very rarely fly my highend ships anymore because I have lost to many to desync. Two weeks ago lost two rigged Arazu's in a three day period due to desync and received the auto response "sorry, nothing in logs to indicate a problem. The most frequent time I notice desync is in my Recon or Covops ships. Jumping through gates cloaked, never coming out of cloak when aligning and warping after a jump, fly around fully visible while the cloak is green and running, etc. I am convinced there are devs who don't even look into the problem. I have had a few petitions get denied, I responded back with an arguement, and then a different Dev responds back with full reimbursement and an apology that there was indeed a problem discovered.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:12:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Sin inStyle A week get over it. I was on vacation I just got back.
So then I suggest you:
a.) Stay on Vacation
b.) Keep your whining to yourself
c.) Post in one of the other 36 threads created in that week. Perhaps one that actually has some constructive overtones rather than "**** CCP and fix desyncs NOW"
d.) Monday is my favorite time of year
I'm gonna tell you what I really think I like about Mondays Cause they feel like Saturdays When you don't gotto go to work Every day is a holiday I wake up when I want to I do anything I wanna do Can't wait for Tuesday
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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MrJordanIOI
Minmatar The Lantern Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:53:00 -
[309]
Edited by: MrJordanIOI on 13/08/2007 19:55:46
Originally by: Tarminic Necro (even minor necro) makes baby Jesus cry.
ER - necro ?
C'mon, one week is hardly a necro.
Though - the way you jump young, fresh, new threads I guess one day marks them as withered and unusable to you.
IOI
Edit: To add something more meaningful to this thread - I think CCP have started allocating some resources to address this issue.
I certainly hope they hurry up with it
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=567889&page=1#8..I just checked the subscription numbers, |
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:56:00 -
[310]
Originally by: MrJordanIOI
Originally by: Tarminic Necro (even minor necro) makes baby Jesus cry.
ER - necro ?
C'mon, one week is hardly a necro.
Though - the way you jump young, fresh, new threads I guess one day marks them as withered and unusable to you.
IOI
It's a massive whine thread, resurrecting it will only cause more whiney angst. There's also a sticky in this forum about the same issue, so it's redundant anyway.
That and I'm not longer attracted to threads once they hit puberty. ------------ Whiners - Unite! Tarminic - 25 Million SP in Forum Warfare. |
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MrJordanIOI
Minmatar The Lantern Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:58:00 -
[311]
Tarminic - what kind of mail alert do you receive upon people answering your posts ?
Very intrigued to learn about it.
IOI
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=567889&page=1#8..I just checked the subscription numbers, |
alterEg0
Caldari ASGARD SECURITY SHIPPING PRODUCTION SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:58:00 -
[312]
Edited by: alterEg0 on 13/08/2007 20:00:13 SIGNED!!!!
Legally im sure they should have the tools to proof without a doubt who is in the wrong.
its there choice not to use the tools that can help in these matters athough they say if they did it will increase lag as it will need more reports.
If you say to your players pettition losses then you should at least have a means where the pettition and its problem can be looked at and not just put in the out tray.
we all pay for a service and our subscription is like any other contract. both partys are binding to this. Player under contract pays money for a service. therfore the service should be there and as advertised. if not the contract is suspended or broken and then refunded or you dont pay until its fixed.
That is the way it is and who every other normal business operates. When you buy somthing you expect it to work else you want your money back. each country has laws sa***uarding each party on this matter and i should think that there will be something in those laws that could be looked into so that we get what we paid for.
this is a commodity and a service like everything else.
We players are going through undue and unessacery stress and i have seen lawsuits brought on by much less.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.13 19:59:00 -
[313]
Originally by: MrJordanIOI Tarminic - what kind of mail alert do you receive upon people answering your posts ?
Very intrigued to learn about it.
Two factors: 1. Between projects at work 2. Excessive use of the refresh button. ------------ Whiners - Unite! Tarminic - 25 Million SP in Forum Warfare. |
MrJordanIOI
Minmatar The Lantern Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:01:00 -
[314]
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: MrJordanIOI Tarminic - what kind of mail alert do you receive upon people answering your posts ?
Very intrigued to learn about it.
Two factors: 1. Between projects at work 2. Excessive use of the refresh button.
OMG - you realise however that if you do have that much of time at your hand to near insta reply, its
1. Pathological 2. Some weird kind of awesome 3. Obsessive 4. Probably endangering your job 5. Keeping this thread even more alive, despite your wish
IOI
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=567889&page=1#8..I just checked the subscription numbers, |
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:05:00 -
[315]
Originally by: MrJordanIOI
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: MrJordanIOI Tarminic - what kind of mail alert do you receive upon people answering your posts ?
Very intrigued to learn about it.
Two factors: 1. Between projects at work 2. Excessive use of the refresh button.
OMG - you realise however that if you do have that much of time at your hand to near insta reply, its
1. Pathological 2. Some weird kind of awesome 3. Obsessive 4. Probably endangering your job 5. Keeping this thread even more alive, despite your wish
1. Possibly. 2. Thankyou! 3. See #1 4. Doubtful 5. I know! Stop doing that! For the benefit of the EVE community this thread should be put to rest. I'm going to discipline myself and no longer respond, we may take up this discussion in the several thousand other threads I'm participating in. ------------ Whiners - Unite! Tarminic - 25 Million SP in Forum Warfare. |
MrJordanIOI
Minmatar The Lantern Mining Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.13 20:07:00 -
[316]
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: MrJordanIOI
Originally by: Tarminic
Originally by: MrJordanIOI Tarminic - what kind of mail alert do you receive upon people answering your posts ?
Very intrigued to learn about it.
Two factors: 1. Between projects at work 2. Excessive use of the refresh button.
OMG - you realise however that if you do have that much of time at your hand to near insta reply, its
1. Pathological 2. Some weird kind of awesome 3. Obsessive 4. Probably endangering your job 5. Keeping this thread even more alive, despite your wish
1. Possibly. 2. Thankyou! 3. See #1 4. Doubtful 5. I know! Stop doing that! For the benefit of the EVE community this thread should be put to rest. I'm going to discipline myself and no longer respond, we may take up this discussion in the several thousand other threads I'm participating in.
Well, you got something that caught me on.
Plus:
Ever saw Bruce Almighty ? Where god gives a man the privilege and responsibilities of Himself ? The guy routes all prayers for help into email.
I am fairly convinced you would have been able to reply to most of them. Individually ;)
IOI
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=567889&page=1#8..I just checked the subscription numbers, |
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