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VanNostrum Cataphract Securities	Posted - 2007.08.05 09:51:00 - [31] Originally by: d026 Originally by: The ArchWarder Amarr need seeing to before caldari even gets on the radar screen tbh you just got iwinueberhax ships and u still complaining?:) im allready training amar firg V btw:) 3-5 amar ships get half-caldari bonuses and they become iwinueberhax and u still complaining about caldari ships? for caldari pilots to understand what amarr pilots suffer i suggest the following changes: missiles should only do kinetic dmg and no other dmg, so caldari ships will do only 1 type of dmg kinetic dmg bonuses of caldari ships should be removed and replaced with +5% cap recharge rate per ship lvl cap boosters should be low slot all caldari ships should have their low slots reduced to 1-3 EW modules should be changed to low slot shield extenders should add mass instead of sig radius shield shouldn't regenerate, and should be solid like armor, so no more passive nos-proof tanking only THEN you would understand what flying amarr ships is like
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.08.05 10:05:00 - [32] Originally by: VanNostrum Originally by: d026 Originally by: The ArchWarder Amarr need seeing to before caldari even gets on the radar screen tbh you just got iwinueberhax ships and u still complaining?:) im allready training amar firg V btw:) 3-5 amar ships get half-caldari bonuses and they become iwinueberhax and u still complaining about caldari ships? for caldari pilots to understand what amarr pilots suffer i suggest the following changes: missiles should only do kinetic dmg and no other dmg, so caldari ships will do only 1 type of dmg kinetic dmg bonuses of caldari ships should be removed and replaced with +5% cap recharge rate per ship lvl cap boosters should be low slot all caldari ships should have their low slots reduced to 1-3 EW modules should be changed to low slot shield extenders should add mass instead of sig radius shield shouldn't regenerate, and should be solid like armor, so no more passive nos-proof tanking only THEN you would understand what flying amarr ships WAS like i fixed that for you...
VanNostrum Cataphract Securities	Posted - 2007.08.05 10:09:00 - [33] Originally by: d026 Originally by: VanNostrum Originally by: d026 Originally by: The ArchWarder Amarr need seeing to before caldari even gets on the radar screen tbh you just got iwinueberhax ships and u still complaining?:) im allready training amar firg V btw:) 3-5 amar ships get half-caldari bonuses and they become iwinueberhax and u still complaining about caldari ships? for caldari pilots to understand what amarr pilots suffer i suggest the following changes: missiles should only do kinetic dmg and no other dmg, so caldari ships will do only 1 type of dmg kinetic dmg bonuses of caldari ships should be removed and replaced with +5% cap recharge rate per ship lvl cap boosters should be low slot all caldari ships should have their low slots reduced to 1-3 EW modules should be changed to low slot shield extenders should add mass instead of sig radius shield shouldn't regenerate, and should be solid like armor, so no more passive nos-proof tanking only THEN you would understand what flying amarr ships WAS like i fixed that for you... you still don't get amarr != khanid please read races? or better yet check out the ships and learn which ones are amarr and which ones (how many) are khanid?
d026 THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.08.05 10:26:00 - [34] Quote: missiles should only do kinetic dmg and no other dmg, so caldari ships will do only 1 type of dmg Lasers do em/therm so why should we be restricted to 1 dmg type? also we have kinetic bonuses on most of our ships. that means 50% les dmg for every other dmg type we fire.- this is quite significant imho. Quote: cap boosters should be low slot i love this idea:) Quote: EW modules should be changed to low slot NEED! Also make ECM not chancebased such as all other ew:) Quote: shield extenders should add mass instead of sig radius If you give them the equivalent HP of Armor plates Quote: shield shouldn't regenerate, and should be solid like armor, so no more passive nos-proof tanking As long as all Shield modules are lowslot:) Anyway you get everythign so completely wrong it scares me rly
Chainsaw Plankton	Posted - 2007.08.05 10:39:00 - [35] i was going to try to make sense of what VanNostrum said, but i cant do it. t2 missiles are a bit crap. would use faction missiles over t2 any day. not sure how t2 gun ammo compares to faction, but void s is better than cn antimatter. if i remember correctly. turret boats could use a bit of a boost. less turrets and no damage bonus is no fun shield tanks have a better hp/s, but armor tanks have the better hp/cap. shield takes high cpu, armor takes high powergrid. armor tanks have 10% extra resist. although it does sound like the cap ships have problems fitting the shield boosters. eh the support skills i dont mind so much, look at the reqs for t2 turrets/ammo and then t2 launchers/ammo, bit of a difference there. and a 20m faction hardener isn't expensive when its being put on a 1-2 bil ship. although imho a full t2 fit should be possible.
VanNostrum Cataphract Securities	Posted - 2007.08.05 11:06:00 - [36] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton i was going to try to make sense of what VanNostrum said, but i cant do it. the game doesn't consist of the ships only you fly your ships/race doesn't have a priority to be "fixed" if you can't make sense of this, go play some more, don't litter the forums with this "fix caldari" garbage
putukas Amarr Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.05 11:10:00 - [37] My char is Caldari/Amarr char. Both are quite well maxed. All t2 lasers/missiles armor/shield hardeners. And i can say Amarr has been much much much better then Caldari in pvp. I have'nt used any caldari ship in fleets for ages, last i used raven was before they nerfed missiles. Im also fleetcommander and i dont wanna see scorpions/ravens in fleets. If possible i would have turret ships. EW is so nerfed that i have'nt seen any scorpions in fleets. I wont even take them as primary in enemy fleet coz i know they cant jam sh*t anyway. If you surf around on killboards and look when was caldari ships last used you'd be amazed :p on our kb i belive they are not even in top30. Somebody told that caldari has ONLY ew ships in game. How can you say that. Ever used dampners on lachesis/arazu/curse/pilgrim ?? thats no EW you say?? I'd better use dampner bonus ships then rook or falcon or scorpion. I dont even wanna talk about caldari capitals. If you dont use faction modules they all suck big time. Revelation, moros, nagflar all of them are better then phoenix. Revelation with its insane tank, moros with hes drones and damage, nagflar with insane damage. Talk about Carriers? Thanatos/Archon are only carriers there is. All others are so nerfed. You whining about shield recharge? Have you ever fitted any shield tank??? Caldari does'nt have ANY pvp capable ship in game. And when crusader get bonus's even flying crow is useless. If i could back in time i would have trained for gallente. Gallente has the most best ships ingame. I dont know even one bad gallente ship. Caldari is only for PVE nothing else. Tho Caldari should be PVP race shoul'nt it?
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.08.05 11:12:00 - [38] Edited by: welsh wizard on 05/08/2007 11:13:15 Originally by: Brodde Dim Caldari ships are fine, stop whining. If I ever would fly BS on this character I would easily train caldari, and get the best PVE battleship, the best fleet sniper and the ONLY EW battle ship in the game. Train Amarr and do some missions, then come back and whine. I don't exactly condone the OP's whining approach to drawing attention to the problem but don't be so bloody ridiculous. They're not "fine". Now go and *** some stupid Gallente thread, actually don't, because all your ships are good now aren't they? Originally by:** Setana Manoro Let's look at tank. You guys have to train for your tank less than Armor Tankers. You don't need to train Speed, we do. Go back to sleep, you don't have a bloody clue.
Kamikaaazi Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.08.05 11:22:00 - [39] Edited by: Kamikaaazi on 05/08/2007 11:23:15 1) Make tactical shield manipulation give 5% less cpu usage on shield modules = alot problems fixed. Even capitals can fit a tank now. 2) Double the missile support skill bonuses and make them affect all missiles. Also change kinetic damage bonus to all missile damage bonus = dps increases a bit, it might not be enough but at least its a start. 3) Double the ecm jamming str on all ecm boats (rook/falcon/scorpion) = those ships are useful again 4) Add 1-2 turrets to caldari gunboats and move some useless high utilty slots to med/low slots = gunboats get the boost they need. 5) Make high damage t2 missiles have splash damage = theres your antiblob weapon. 5 easy steps to improve caldari yarr
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.08.05 11:24:00 - [40] Originally by: Kamikaaazi Edited by: Kamikaaazi on 05/08/2007 11:23:15 1) Make tactical shield manipulation give 5% less cpu usage on shield modules = alot problems fixed. Even capitals can fit a tank now. 2) Double the missile support skill bonuses and make them affect all missiles. Also change kinetic damage bonus to all missile damage bonus = dps increases a bit, it might not be enough but at least its a start. 3) Double the ecm jamming str on all ecm boats (rook/falcon/scorpion) = those ships are useful again 4) Add 1-2 turrets to caldari gunboats and move some useless high utilty slots to med/low slots = gunboats get the boost they need. 5) Make high damage t2 missiles have splash damage = theres your antiblob weapon. 5 easy steps to improve caldari Erm, we want slight improvements, not 'best race by a mile' improvements. :P
VanNostrum Cataphract Securities	Posted - 2007.08.05 11:28:00 - [41] Originally by: d026 Quote: missiles should only do kinetic dmg and no other dmg, so caldari ships will do only 1 type of dmg Lasers do em/therm so why should we be restricted to 1 dmg type? also we have kinetic bonuses on most of our ships. that means 50% les dmg for every other dmg type we fire.- this is quite significant imho. and amarr ships don't have an EM bonus, yet crystals do 70% EM 30% thermal dmg mostly Quote: Quote: cap boosters should be low slot i love this idea:) you wouldn't, if all caldari ships had 1-3 low slots, like amarr ships have 1-3 med slots Quote: Quote: EW modules should be changed to low slot NEED! Also make ECM not chancebased such as all other ew:) yes, i'd like to see how you'd fit ANY EW module in your 1-3 low slot Quote: Quote: shield extenders should add mass instead of sig radius If you give them the equivalent HP of Armor plates sure, should also make shield extenders use as much PG too LSE II = 2625 hp, 165 PG = 16 hp/PG 1600mm Rolled Tungsten = 4200 hp, 500 PG = 8.4 hp/PG Quote: Quote: shield shouldn't regenerate, and should be solid like armor, so no more passive nos-proof tanking As long as all Shield modules are lowslot:) uhmm...no? caldari ships already have more med slots, plus you wouldn't want that if all caldari ships had their lows reduced to 1-3 Quote: Anyway you get everythign so completely wrong it scares me rly why? this is what amarr pilots deal every time they fly an amarr ship cant use EW modules, can't fit web+mwd+scram+booster due to few med slots deal 70% one type of dmg cant do nos-proof-passive-self-regenerating tank cant fire without cap lose speed with plates it is scary indeed, but i am right
Eva Unit	Posted - 2007.08.05 11:51:00 - [42] I agree with the OP that Caldari should get some love. I'm a 23 mil caldari character and i have to say in roaming gangs e.g. i love the support role of the Caldari ships. When i test my ships with corp mates (1vs1) i know i'm pulling the low end of the string. The only thing i would like to see is that the shieldtank/booster would get a little boost. The way it's intended to be is that shield tankers can sustain a large amount of damage over a short period of time and the armor tankers can sustain a little less damage but over a greater amount of time. Armortankers can tank a lot of ships at once... Ever seen a Raven last long enough to kill a bs when under fire? Ever seen a nice pvp movie with a Caldari ship owning a battle? Good luck searching the forums. When u find a nice one, make sure to send it to me Despite of all the reactions from people flying ships other than Caldari. I think everyone knows that u can't get nearly the same effectiveness out of a Caldari ship than out of the other races ships, generally speaking. I will leave it to this :P There has never been any good that came out of these kinda posts... Seems like CCP doesn't have a lot of love for Caldari . Ow.. and i'm not gonna train any other race just jet.. i love Caldari :) (it's in the blood u know ^^) Eva PS: Deimos can do lvl 4 missions afk, tank everything and let the drones do the work... Caldari PVE 4TW!!!
VanNostrum Cataphract Securities	Posted - 2007.08.05 11:58:00 - [43] Originally by: putukas Edited by: putukas on 05/08/2007 11:17:58 My char is Caldari/Amarr char. Both are quite well maxed. All t2 lasers/missiles armor/shield hardeners. And i can say Amarr has been much much much better then Caldari in pvp. I have'nt used any caldari ship in fleets for ages, last i used raven was before they nerfed missiles. Im also fleetcommander and i dont wanna see scorpions/ravens in fleets. If possible i would have turret ships. EW is so nerfed that i have'nt seen any scorpions in fleets. I wont even take them as primary in enemy fleet coz i know they cant jam sht anyway. If you surf around on killboards and look when was caldari ships last used you'd be amazed :p on our kb i belive they are not even in top30. Somebody told that caldari has ONLY ew ships in game. How can you say that. Ever used dampners on lachesis/arazu/curse/pilgrim ?? thats no EW you say?? I'd better use dampner bonus ships then rook or falcon or scorpion. I dont even wanna talk about caldari capitals. If you dont use faction modules they all suck big time. Revelation, moros, nagflar all of them are better then phoenix. Revelation with its insane tank, moros with hes drones and damage, nagflar with insane damage. Talk about Carriers? Thanatos/Archon are only carriers there is. All others are so nerfed. You whining about shield recharge? Have you ever fitted any shield tank??? Caldari does'nt have ANY pvp capable ship in game. And when malediction get bonus's even flying crow is useless. If i could back in time i would have trained for gallente. Gallente has the most best ships ingame. I dont know even one bad gallente ship. Caldari is only for PVE nothing else. Tho Caldari should be PVP race shoul'nt it? you bought your char on ebay or something? how on earth is malediction gonna make crow obselete? crow has range bonus on rockets and light missiles while malediction will be using rockets within web*and nos range malediction will be a joke! you say you're a fleet commander and you won't allow a nighthawk in your "fleet" cos it has no turrets? you fly abso instead? you must be joking ever got attacked by a vaga in your zealot? or in any amarr ship? ever got attacked by a vaga in your cerb? which would you prefer? talking about capitals, i see more chimeras than any other carrier around we've had enough ppl training amarr cruiser V to fly a curse only, then saying amarr ships are good for pvp or showing their killboards as a proof, which only actually shows curse was kind of op due to nos imbalance
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.08.05 12:17:00 - [44] Originally by: VanNostrum ever got attacked by a vaga in your zealot? or in any amarr ship? ever got attacked by a vaga in your cerb? which would you prefer? How many vagas have you killed in a cerb? --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines	Posted - 2007.08.05 12:19:00 - [45] Originally by: Kamikaaazi atm raven and crow are pretty much the only caldari ships flown in pvp gang. I bet 10 isk that you haven't killed more then 100 ppl . He're what i flew in pvp and killed ppl whit carcal Kestrel (solo), drake(solo), ferox, Scorpion, , Rokh (solo), cerberus , crow , falcon , rook , chimera (can tank 3 dreads and 2 carriers) , pheonix (only a goon carrier died to my citadels) . So think again before you come and cry. And unless you're a e-bay boy (90% chance of that being true) you shoud know mr 57M sp that torp raven whit splash dmg was king of all kings . Not even a pre REV capital fleet coud stand up to them. By the way WTF means a regular fleet ? A BS in a fleet is a t2 sniper which is a role great for the Rokh so cry me some more rivers . Join EVE UNI i heard that they know how to turn cry babys to some form of pvpers
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines	Posted - 2007.08.05 12:22:00 - [46] Originally by: Ogul Originally by: VanNostrum ever got attacked by a vaga in your zealot? or in any amarr ship? ever got attacked by a vaga in your cerb? which would you prefer? How many vagas have you killed in a cerb? And reverse how many solo vagas can kill a cerb ? Both ship unless they are fitter in some wonderous way draw to a halt , ammo halt usualy
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines	Posted - 2007.08.05 12:26:00 - [47] Originally by: d026 Originally by: The ArchWarder Amarr need seeing to before caldari even gets on the radar screen tbh you just got iwinueberhax ships and u still complaining?:) im allready training amar firg V btw:) If you're hoping for the malediction to be a uber hax ship stop trainig crusader will be nice but the male is a pure tackler
General Apocalypse Amarr The Merchant Marines	Posted - 2007.08.05 12:31:00 - [48] Originally by: Eva Unit Armortankers can tank a lot of ships at once... Ever seen a Raven last long enough to kill a bs when under fire? PS: Deimos can do lvl 4 missions afk, tank everything and let the drones do the work... Caldari PVE 4TW!!! You lot your brains or something ? A raven is the fastest way to PVE ask any 2 brain cells monkey . Do even fly the deimos or talk out of your ass ? Try Raven vs Megatron whit a starting distance of 30 KM (maxium at a gate dogfight) see who owns who .
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.08.05 12:39:00 - [49] Originally by: General Apocalypse Originally by: Ogul Originally by: VanNostrum ever got attacked by a vaga in your zealot? or in any amarr ship? ever got attacked by a vaga in your cerb? which would you prefer? How many vagas have you killed in a cerb? And reverse how many solo vagas can kill a cerb ? Both ship unless they are fitter in some wonderous way draw to a halt , ammo halt usualy Precisely, a solo vaga would not engage a cerb, and the vaga can choose its fights. It is an empty argument right from the start. I would agree that Caldari would need a bit of boost for pvp purposes, but since I have trained Gallente in the meantime, I don't really care anymore. --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
VanNostrum Cataphract Securities	Posted - 2007.08.05 12:47:00 - [50] Originally by: Ogul Originally by: General Apocalypse Originally by: Ogul Originally by: VanNostrum ever got attacked by a vaga in your zealot? or in any amarr ship? ever got attacked by a vaga in your cerb? which would you prefer? How many vagas have you killed in a cerb? And reverse how many solo vagas can kill a cerb ? Both ship unless they are fitter in some wonderous way draw to a halt , ammo halt usualy Precisely, a solo vaga would not engage a cerb, and the vaga can choose its fights. It is an empty argument right from the start. I would agree that Caldari would need a bit of boost for pvp purposes, but since I have trained Gallente in the meantime, I don't really care anymore. a vaga wouldn't pick on a cerb but it would pick on a zealot/omen any day so it is not an empty arguement after all cerb is a viable ship, compared to it's amarr counterparts when you compare each caldari ship with the amarr ones only curse would be the better one in it's class
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.08.05 12:59:00 - [51] Originally by: VanNostrum a vaga wouldn't pick on a cerb but it would pick on a zealot/omen any day so it is not an empty arguement after all cerb is a viable ship, compared to it's amarr counterparts when you compare each caldari ship with the amarr ones only curse would be the better one in it's class Maybe, with the exception that the Scorpion doesn't live up to the Armageddon at all. But anyway, you are comparing the two worst races here, which is kind of pointless. And I don't say that Amarr don't have issues, but after the Khanid changes you will feel the missile user's pain too. --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
Kamikaaazi Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.08.05 13:08:00 - [52] i though that amarr should be jumping from joy after getting their hands on "uber allways hit imba missiles". I for sure will be training for sacrilege, cerbs is so much worse than that. yarr
VanNostrum Cataphract Securities	Posted - 2007.08.05 13:18:00 - [53] my first char was a caldari already and i've flown them all except the nighthawk and capitals with this char i trained amarr and minny, but i am just trying to be objective and saying that amarr is the worst of all, and i don't care people telling me to give up amarr and fly minny, i just want some balance and more variety in game why forget the crappy races/ships in game when there is so many, and add new ships into game? i'd like all races and ships to be decent, not equal but worth flying, worth training for amarr ships need change, along with some caldari ships but i'd completely give higher priority to amarr fix before anything else amarr complete revamp missile velocity and explosion velocity improvement (should fix a lot of caldari problems) along with removing caldari ships' kinetic dmg bonus and replacing with rof or simple dmg bonus drone AI fix some gallente ships adjustments these fixes are essential for a balanced game
Dragon Lord Caldari Aces and Eights Enterprises R i s e	Posted - 2007.08.05 13:56:00 - [54] Edited by: Dragon Lord on 05/08/2007 13:57:22 Originally by: General Apocalypse Originally by: Eva Unit Armortankers can tank a lot of ships at once... Ever seen a Raven last long enough to kill a bs when under fire? PS: Deimos can do lvl 4 missions afk, tank everything and let the drones do the work... Caldari PVE 4TW!!! You lot your brains or something ? A raven is the fastest way to PVE ask any 2 brain cells monkey . Do even fly the deimos or talk out of your ass ? Try Raven vs Megatron whit a starting distance of 30 KM (maxium at a gate dogfight) see who owns who . Ah yes and how long would a mega take to get within scram, web distance and max dmg, oh and whats stopping the mega warping out? remember a web and scram realy screws a caldaris tank. I agree that in PVE the Caldari rule all but as its been pointed out on many occasions EVE is a PVP game and if thats the case Caldari are the worst race in the game and should be boosted in PVP. Yes we always hit but big wow, as soon as u guys get in range and lets face it being that much faster than us it isnt hard ur gonna start getting good and wreaking hits pretty oftern which if im not mistaken deals much much greater dmg than a missile. Most of my eve life i have PVE'd and hence used Caldari but i know like everyone ive ever spoken to that when i start to PVP i will need to train Gallante. That is fact end of, Gallante are better in fleets, small gangs and solo than any other ship.Also the domi i here is rather good on missions even with drone aggro. Now i dont mind if they nerfed caldari in missions a bit, it would help if ships could use there mwd's in dead space that way guns ships would be able to dictate range and proberbly out perform Caldari in PVE. But in pvp caldari need a major buff imho, because in every situation other ships will outperform us. Maybe add some high tier skills that realy boost missiles but take a long time to train thus making the time sink closer to that of gunnery
Ciphero The Wild Hunt FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.05 14:26:00 - [55] Edited by: Ciphero on 05/08/2007 14:26:38 Originally by: Kamikaaazi atm raven and crow are pretty much the only caldari ships flown in pvp gang. Stopped reading here due to how startlingly incorrect this statement is. --
bldyannoyed Un4seen Development	Posted - 2007.08.05 14:31:00 - [56] Theres only two ways to make Caldari ships usefull for solo. ONE- Switch them to armor tanks, so they can tank and tackle.(Clearly not gonna happen). Bear in mind this would also severly limit their utility in a fleet, where the shield tank + full rack of damage mods is great. TWO- Take away most of the low slots for mids. Raven is now 8-8-3. Can fit a 5 slot tank plus MWD, web, scram. Now capable of solo fighting. But you know what? If you did that I bet 90% of the Caldaris that fly Caldari in PvP would say " Thankyou very much, i never cared that i couldnt solo, and now i have a godly 8 slot tank to fleet with ". And the 10% that spend their time WAAAAHHHH'ing on the whorums would just find something else to complain about. Or insist that they STILL cant tackle without gimping their tank. Face it. Shields = pretty much no solo.Minnie ships get away with it by being fast, but they tend to run on a tank that consists of little more than a few extenders and a damage control. Caldari ships ARE good fleet ships. End of story. But no buff short of giving them 40k base shields and quadrupling their damage output will make them good solo'ers, simply cos of the way the ships are designed. To make them viable solo ships they would need to be rebuilt from the ground-up. Seems that Caldari have 2 dodgy ships, Moa and Ferox. The tech2 versions are fine, so all these whines seem to stem from a basic frustration that most Caldari's cant solo kill *****. Well big cry for you. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Brodde Dim	Posted - 2007.08.05 14:44:00 - [57] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 05/08/2007 11:23:30 Originally by: Brodde Dim Caldari ships are fine, stop whining. If I ever would fly BS on this character I would easily train caldari, and get the best PVE battleship, the best fleet sniper and the ONLY EW battle ship in the game. Train Amarr and do some missions, then come back and whine. I don't exactly condone the OP's whining approach to drawing attention to the problem but don't be so bloody ridiculous. They're not "fine". Now go and ***** some stupid Gallente thread, actually don't, because all your ships are good now aren't they? Very good and informative points made there. Thank you for enlightening me. Caldari fleet includes: (Compared to the other races) Best: PVE Battleship EW Battleship (and only one offcourse) Fleet sniper battleship Logistics ship Interceptor Capital tank Freighter Among the best: Interdictor PVE cruiser PVE BC PVE Frigate Mining frigate Mining cruiser Mining BS Swarm gankers Dreads Average: Recon (all races recons are equally good, somewhat different roles though) HACS AFs (plus a lot of other roles/ships I cant think of atm) Lacking: T1 pvp solo ships. (Some people do it successfully, but they are probably strategic geniuses) Now do the same list for the other 3 races. And convince me they are all better off than caldari.
welsh wizard 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.08.05 15:01:00 - [58] Edited by: welsh wizard on 05/08/2007 15:02:36 You don't fly Caldari do you? Your opinion is entriely subjective, ie,, invalid. You base your argument on your experiences with Caldari ships in gang, not as a pilot. You have little to no idea of their fitting capabilities, strengths or weaknesses in comparison to the other races ships. You simpily enjoy the fact that they're cannon fodder for your guns if they're alone npc'ing. You like this and don't want it to change and thats why you're in here arguing about it. "Best Ew battleship" and "Best fleet battleship" are two ill informed statements with no basis for good argument. A thousand non-Caldari pilots will give you a shed load of reasons as to why the Rokh isn't the best fleet battleship because they know that anywhere but "on paper" its isn't. The Scorpion is the best Ewar battleship because there is no challenger. Does this uniqueness make it a rival to its cross race counterparts? No, its just makes it unique. Knowhere in the definition of the word unique will you find the words; equal, good, superior or any other superlative you care to mention. If you have no real argument then don't bother. At least others (like Goumindong) will argue against any buff with credible reasoning. Try this: Linkage
LVirus Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.08.05 15:02:00 - [59] Originally by: Brodde Dim ...lots of crap... dude, gimme some stuff what you are smoking. Best: PVE Battleship <<< agree with you there EW Battleship (and only one offcourse) <<< yesterday we had 120+ ppl gang and i didnt see a single scorpion in that fleet. If im correct then i didnt even see a single caldari recon. Thats how good they are. Fleet sniper battleship << also we had 2-3 rokhs, if its the best fleet BS then we only had few smart pilots in our fleet. Logistics ship <<< nope, dont see those on any fleets. When i ever see a basilik then its on market or boosting a POS shield. Interceptor <<< can agree with you there to some lvl. They are good tacklers when out of web/nos range. Capital tank <<< no way dude, amarr has best tank capitals. Freighter <<< and thats important how? Among the best: Interdictor <<< LOL, wtf are you smoking? Ship that cant even fit standard t2 launchers, eg cant use 1 of its bonuses. Is the slowest and least agile. PVE cruiser <<< and thats all they are good at PVE BC <<< same as before PVE Frigate <<< look 1-2 up Mining frigate <<< yeah, important Mining cruiser <<< look up Mining BS <<< look up Swarm gankers <<< ??? Dreads <<< what dreads? Didnt know caldari had more than 1 dread, its good with some things but tnx to kinetic damage it truely cant choose its damage type. Also it has a tank it cannot sustain and needs faction mods to fit properly.
TheEndofTheWorld	Posted - 2007.08.05 15:07:00 - [60] Edited by: TheEndofTheWorld on 05/08/2007 15:11:37 Edited by: TheEndofTheWorld on 05/08/2007 15:08:56 PVE Battleship - Quick, call the carepolice! EW Battleship (and only one offcourse) - What an amazing category! Seriously... Scoprions are really a lot less used nowdays, but I guess that must be a coincidence Fleet sniper battleship - Could be in a rokh only fleet, but otherwise that extra range isn't that important. Logistics ship - ??? Quick, call the carepolice again!!! Interceptor - can't disagree Capital tank - wrong, compare cap recharger t2 to a PDS t2 Freighter - ... ? Among the best: Interdictor - Better than eris, yes, but isn't ... sabre faaar higher on the solopwnmobile-o-meter? PVE cruiser - ??? PVE BC - ??? PVE Frigate - ??? Mining frigate - ??? Mining cruiser - ??? Mining BS - ??? Swarm gankers - explain? Dreads - Moros - better dps, rev - better than

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