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Zarcan
Liberate New Eden
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:11:00 -
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Hey guys.
So, I've been running a rigged mission domi for some time now. After a good amount of missions and trading, I've got just enough so, if I sell my rigged domi at a little below real value with rigs, I'd be able to outfit a Navy Domi.
So, I go to Jita and offer a sale of my domi for 95mil, send out the message a few times. The rigs were 1x Sentry Drone Damage Aug, 1x Large Nanobot, 1x Large Aux Nano Pump
I get a trade offer, the window pops up. I throw my Domi in to see if that's what he's inquiring about, and I see 95mil in green show up, along with his accept checkmark. I accept as well, and it goes through.
But I never got the 95mil.
Character is Marhaba. He proceeds to say in Jita chat "Thanks for the free domi ;)."
Considering that that ship was my largest asset, I'm pretty infuriated. I don't know if this was some bug, scam, or what. Would CCP listen to a petition?
What do I do from here? |
Zleon Leigh
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:14:00 -
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Petition
Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
170
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:16:00 -
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Never use the trade window. It's almost always a scam.
Contracts every time.
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator and other 'useful' utilities. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
817
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:17:00 -
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never use the trade window
you got lag scammed
petition it
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Seatox
Department of Defence
Important Internet Spaceship League
3
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:18:00 -
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The trade window is terrible, and vulnerable to sleight of hand - and you shouldn't use it for commerce.
What probably happened was they put in 95 million, then zeroed it *and then hit accept*, and you didn't notice them zeroing the value before you hit accept.
Use the contract system instead. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
961
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:18:00 -
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never
ever
ever
use the trade window when you could use a contract. This is an old scheme, and it's unlikely your petition would result in anything. Chalk it up as an eve lesson and get back at it. |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
42
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:22:00 -
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Definitely petition. Definitely do not use the trade window. A good red flag is when someone asks to use it. Always do a contract instead. If they balk or give excuses why they cannot use a contract, you can now be sure they are scamming. |
Zarcan
Liberate New Eden
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:22:00 -
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Seatox wrote:The trade window is terrible, and vulnerable to sleight of hand - and you shouldn't use it for commerce.
What probably happened was they put in 95 million, then zeroed it *and then hit accept*, and you didn't notice them zeroing the value before you hit accept.
Use the contract system instead.
Nope, I'm aware of that tactic. The 95mil was there. Not only was it there, but if it were modified within a short time frame within hitting accept, there would have been a notification (if I'm not mistaken, I've seen it before: ""Warning: your client has modified your order. Do you still want to accept?" Or something.).
Feligast wrote: and it's unlikely your petition would result in anything. Chalk it up as an eve lesson and get back at it.
Well this is unacceptable. That ship is worth 1/3 of my savings in the game, and I lost it due to poor game mechanics. I shouldn't be liable for unsatisfactory trade window code. |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
189
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:24:00 -
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I agree, lesson learned, nothing you can really do, however, it stuff like this that is bush league - not the scam itself, but the damn interface and it causes players to leave.
CCP, fix your damn anitquated 1985 interface.
You didnt get scammed by a player, you got scammed by CCP.
Lag scammed? Only in EVE can something so stupid take place.
Fix that ****. |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
817
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:29:00 -
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Zarcan wrote:Seatox wrote:The trade window is terrible, and vulnerable to sleight of hand - and you shouldn't use it for commerce.
What probably happened was they put in 95 million, then zeroed it *and then hit accept*, and you didn't notice them zeroing the value before you hit accept.
Use the contract system instead. Nope, I'm aware of that tactic. The 95mil was there. Feligast wrote: and it's unlikely your petition would result in anything. Chalk it up as an eve lesson and get back at it. Well this is unacceptable. That ship is worth 1/3 of my savings in the game, and I lost it due to poor game mechanics. I shouldn't be liable for unsatisfactory trade window code.
if you haven't been bankrupt by a scam or gank at least once, you haven't been playing EVE
They wont admit it, but everyone here has had it happen in some form or another at least once
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Zarcan
Liberate New Eden
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:31:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Zarcan wrote:Seatox wrote:The trade window is terrible, and vulnerable to sleight of hand - and you shouldn't use it for commerce.
What probably happened was they put in 95 million, then zeroed it *and then hit accept*, and you didn't notice them zeroing the value before you hit accept.
Use the contract system instead. Nope, I'm aware of that tactic. The 95mil was there. Feligast wrote: and it's unlikely your petition would result in anything. Chalk it up as an eve lesson and get back at it. Well this is unacceptable. That ship is worth 1/3 of my savings in the game, and I lost it due to poor game mechanics. I shouldn't be liable for unsatisfactory trade window code. if you haven't been bankrupt by a scam or gank at least once, you haven't been playing EVE They wont admit it, but everyone here has had it happen in some form or another at least once
Well then, My 4 year old character shouldn't exist, eh?
I'm not gonna accept that, sorry. CCP is gonna have to get back to me on this one. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
962
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:33:00 -
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Good luck with that 
And I'm so glad you found the money to form your own corp a few minutes ago. Not so broke, huh? |
Zarcan
Liberate New Eden
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:34:00 -
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Feligast wrote:Good luck with that And I'm so glad you found the money to form your own corp a few minutes ago. Not so broke, huh?
... it costs a measly 1.5mil to make a corp, and I made it hours ago. The scam happened about 20 minutes ago.
Can you do basic math? Or do I have to spell out why your post is irrelevant on both accounts? |
Montevius Williams
Eclipse Industrial Inc
189
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:35:00 -
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Morganta wrote:Zarcan wrote:Seatox wrote:The trade window is terrible, and vulnerable to sleight of hand - and you shouldn't use it for commerce.
What probably happened was they put in 95 million, then zeroed it *and then hit accept*, and you didn't notice them zeroing the value before you hit accept.
Use the contract system instead. Nope, I'm aware of that tactic. The 95mil was there. Feligast wrote: and it's unlikely your petition would result in anything. Chalk it up as an eve lesson and get back at it. Well this is unacceptable. That ship is worth 1/3 of my savings in the game, and I lost it due to poor game mechanics. I shouldn't be liable for unsatisfactory trade window code. if you haven't been bankrupt by a scam or gank at least once, you haven't been playing EVE They wont admit it, but everyone here has had it happen in some form or another at least once
Yea but the point still stands, CCP needs to fix dumb **** like this. You may not have the resources of Blizzard but damn, you cant make a properly working trade window? Really? C'mon CCP... |
Zarcan
Liberate New Eden
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:39:00 -
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Montevius Williams wrote:Morganta wrote:Zarcan wrote:Seatox wrote:The trade window is terrible, and vulnerable to sleight of hand - and you shouldn't use it for commerce.
What probably happened was they put in 95 million, then zeroed it *and then hit accept*, and you didn't notice them zeroing the value before you hit accept.
Use the contract system instead. Nope, I'm aware of that tactic. The 95mil was there. Feligast wrote: and it's unlikely your petition would result in anything. Chalk it up as an eve lesson and get back at it. Well this is unacceptable. That ship is worth 1/3 of my savings in the game, and I lost it due to poor game mechanics. I shouldn't be liable for unsatisfactory trade window code. if you haven't been bankrupt by a scam or gank at least once, you haven't been playing EVE They wont admit it, but everyone here has had it happen in some form or another at least once Yea but the point still stands, CCP needs to fix dumb **** like this. You may not have the resources of Blizzard but damn, you cant make a properly working trade window? Really? C'mon CCP...
A petition has been filed.
I'll keep the thread updated on how CCP deals with it, so we can hold them accountable. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
Comic Mischief
257
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:42:00 -
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Hm, I wondered how that worked. I had someone offer me a ship for well below cost, a trade window popped up along with the ship. I could not figure out how such a scam would work, but this being eve I closed the trade window.
Lag scam? So they zeroed the amount and hit accept at just the right time so the OP never saw it happen due to lag?
CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should.
Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |
Zarcan
Liberate New Eden
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:50:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Hm, I wondered how that worked. I had someone offer me a ship for well below cost, a trade window popped up along with the ship. I could not figure out how such a scam would work, but this being eve I closed the trade window.
Lag scam? So they zeroed the amount and hit accept at just the right time so the OP never saw it happen due to lag?
Is there not supposed to be a notification window if the client modifies his order within like 3 seconds of pressing the accept button?
I could have sworn I've seen it before. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
308
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:53:00 -
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Are you sure you saw 95.000.000.00 and not 95.000.00?
Remember to ALWAYS count the digits and subtract by two (as those last two are "cents").
Yeah... dumb interface deatails thingy. But somehow... I have this nagging suspicion that CCP made it this way on purpose for this exact reason.
"Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one."
~Unknown |
Zarcan
Liberate New Eden
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Posted - 2012.01.13 22:55:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Are you sure you saw 95.000.000.00 and not 95.000.00?
Remember to ALWAYS count the digits and subtract by two (as those last two are "cents").
Yeah... dumb interface deatails thingy. But somehow... I have this nagging suspicion that CCP made it this way on purpose for this exact reason.
Yes, considering there was no exchange of money whatsoever according to my transactions journal.
Also, hooray for my first forum like recieved. \o/ |
Zleon Leigh
53
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Posted - 2012.01.13 23:01:00 -
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Another example of how scammers get off without consequences... he'll never leave the station, never have sec status where you could even put a bounty on him (even though that is a totally f'd up mechanic as well)
Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |
Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate
EVE Animal Control
12
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Posted - 2012.01.13 23:05:00 -
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I understand that you're upset about losing your ship, but I suggest you just move on. You got scammed, it happens if you're not careful.
You can petition it but can you prove that the trade window said 95 million when you hit the accept button???? Probably not. It will just waste a gm's time to look at it.
It's just the way it is *shrug*. Eve isn't perfect but what else are you gonna play? World of Warcraft? |
Zarcan
Liberate New Eden
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Posted - 2012.01.13 23:07:00 -
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Rath Kelbore wrote:I understand that you're upset about losing your ship, but I suggest you just move on. You got scammed, it happens if you're not careful.
You can petition it but can you prove that the trade window said 95 million when you hit the accept button???? Probably not. It will just waste a gm's time to look at it.
It's just the way it is *shrug*. Eve isn't perfect but what else are you gonna play? World of Warcraft?
The fault of the decent into a state of tyranny rests on the shoulders of the apathetic. |
Zarcan
Liberate New Eden
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Posted - 2012.01.13 23:12:00 -
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Marhaba > 0/
Zarcan > So I'm gonna go ahead and humbly request that you give me what's mine.
Marhaba > what, like a wardec? Gladly
Zarcan > How about that Dominix? You know, that one that represents 1/2 of my capital in EVE
Marhaba > i've already sold it. [Contract for 65mil]
Zarcan > Well then surely you've got the money to reinburse me.
... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4366
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Posted - 2012.01.13 23:15:00 -
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Zarcan wrote:The fault of the decent into a state of tyranny rests on the shoulders of the apathetic.
GǪexcept that scamming is explicitly and purposefully allowed by the game designers. Its existence has nothing to do with apathy.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Zarcan
Liberate New Eden
2
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Posted - 2012.01.13 23:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Zarcan wrote:The fault of the decent into a state of tyranny rests on the shoulders of the apathetic. GǪexcept that scamming is explicitly and purposefully allowed by the game designers. Its existence has nothing to do with apathy.
... and why the hell would we as a playerbase tolerate that? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4367
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Posted - 2012.01.13 23:20:00 -
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Zarcan wrote:... and why the hell would we as a playerbase tolerate that? Because it's no different than someone violencing your boat: it's the game we play.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Elessa Enaka
State War Academy
Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.01.13 23:20:00 -
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Zarcan wrote:Tippia wrote:Zarcan wrote:The fault of the decent into a state of tyranny rests on the shoulders of the apathetic. GǪexcept that scamming is explicitly and purposefully allowed by the game designers. Its existence has nothing to do with apathy. ... and why the hell would we as a playerbase tolerate that?
Because the playerbase in eve are in large majority sociopaths who get off on perpetrating this sort of thing or hearing others cry when it happens to them.
Sad but true...
Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been |
Morganta
Peripheral Madness
The Midget Mafia
819
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Posted - 2012.01.13 23:25:00 -
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Zarcan wrote:Rath Kelbore wrote:I understand that you're upset about losing your ship, but I suggest you just move on. You got scammed, it happens if you're not careful.
You can petition it but can you prove that the trade window said 95 million when you hit the accept button???? Probably not. It will just waste a gm's time to look at it.
It's just the way it is *shrug*. Eve isn't perfect but what else are you gonna play? World of Warcraft? The fault of the decent into a state of tyranny rests on the shoulders of the apathetic.
then I suggest you buy a ticket to fanfest and punch Hilmar
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |
Mekki Muvila
Petrichor Acquisitions and Industry Development
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.01.13 23:30:00 -
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Your Domi fit sucks anyway |
Zarcan
Liberate New Eden
3
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Posted - 2012.01.13 23:33:00 -
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Mekki Muvila wrote:Your Domi fit sucks anyway
The Guristas disagree. |
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