Well thats easy. Do not make the process lag dependant.

Make it where the trade has to be finalized and accepted on both ends, with no chance at alteration before the trade can actually be completed.

A simple final acceptance screen with the final trade showcased would be something that took a week of coding, probably alot less depending on the amount of people and would completely eliminate any chance of trade window scamming.

You see a screen pop up after both parties agree on the initial trade. The server scans the final trade and pops a message on both screens " You are about to initiate a trade with *player *. *Player* Offers XXXX Item. * You * Offer XXXX ISK/Item in return. Do you Accept?

When both parties hit the accept button, then the trade is finished. Not until then.

Very easy actually.

I'm baffled to be honest. Like I said I have played dozens of MMO's and never once seen a community that is so .... blah .... about scamming.

In this game, you actually have people saying people play EVE just to scam? You do know this is a game right?

The money they make in game, from the scamming, has nothing to do with the real world? So why would someone actually start paying for a game just to scam people for no real reason?

That, in essence, is insane. I dunno. I'm mind blown tbh.

I think the people saying this stuff are the scammers themselves. Thats the only logical explanation.

It's called " a contract" and to get there you click the contracts window or you can right click the item(s) and say, "create contract."

Is that supposed to be a point?

I'm baffled to be honest. Like I said I have played dozens of MMO's and never once seen a community that is so .... blah .... about scamming.

Usually people complain about it, the devs fix the exploit or scamming method and everyone moves along. In this game, you actually have people saying people play EVE just to scam? You do know this is a game right? The money they make in game, from the scamming, has nothing to do with the real world? So why would someone actually start paying for a game just to scam people for no real reason?

That, in essence, is insane. I dunno. I'm mind blown tbh.

I think the people saying this stuff are the scammers themselves. Thats the only logical explanation.

Perhaps I shouldn't endorse you as I'm not too popular in this thread haha, but indeed, I'm really astounded at how many people actively defend it. I understand its a part of the game, I understand CCP endorses it, I'll never understand why the players fight for it so adamantly.

From my perspective, it doesn't *have* to be this way, and we wouldn't be having this 8 page discussion if it were a black and white issue, as some people would have you believe.

if you haven't been bankrupt by a scam or gank at least once, you haven't been playing EVE
They wont admit it, but everyone here has had it happen in some form or another at least once

You think being able to kill rats enables you to judge whether a fit is good or not? That's freaking hilarious coming from someone like you, who's played this game for years. I can hop into an armor drake and do L4's. Just saying. I see ratters rat with the most stupid fits every day.

You'll do good staying in high sec for the rest of your life. Have fun with your mission running, basically the most boring thing you can do in this game along with mining. This is an MMO sandbox, and then you go and voluntarily grind your ass off doing the most mundane thing, as if you're playing World of Warcraft. Hilarious.

Then why have a trade window?

Then why have a trade window?

If there is a better alternative to something, usually the other alternative that is both buggy and prone to problems gets eliminated. Odd.

Is this a serious request?

+1 eve community.

Derp your fit sucks.

Derp hi-sec player.

Derp you got scammed by someone abusing a broken trade mechanic. I will not acknowledge that this game lacks a secure player to player trade mechanic like every other mmo, but instead I will call you stupid for trying to use it.

I never said that scamming should be risk free - please link to where I said that.

And no, time wasting is not a risk...YOU are the one making a blanket statement on this. Not me. Hell, if you want to say its relative to the person doing it, fine. But in and of itself, time wasting is not a risk.

Margin Trading - Risking Isk
Public Contracts -Risking Isk

These are fine becasue you are risking isk, but we are not talking about that, we're talking about wasting time and if time is a risk or not.

I'm just really surprised that you all feel that way.

I guess this is another issue however, the trade window is the culprit.

If the right DEV happens to read this, the petition is filed, please get back to me.

Perhaps some thought should be put into making scamming and scammer more visible not unlike an honor system or an ebay rating. I might not make 1 day alts with scamming in mind detectable but it would make serious traders more known and you'd at least know who was trustworthy(ish).

You think being able to kill rats enables you to judge whether a fit is good or not? That's freaking hilarious coming from someone like you, who's played this game for years. I can hop into an armor drake and do L4's. Just saying. I see ratters rat with the most stupid fits every day.

You'll do good staying in high sec for the rest of your life. Have fun with your mission running, basically the most boring thing you can do in this game along with mining. This is an MMO sandbox, and then you go and voluntarily grind your ass off doing the most mundane thing, as if you're playing World of Warcraft. Hilarious.

Wrong, wasting time is a risk, if you spend 1hr trying to scam someone and it fails, that is one hour you could have been earning isk by other means and thus you are risking garunteed isk for possible higher isk by choosing the path you chose versus the path you could have chosen.

Perhaps some thought should be put into making scamming and scammer more visible not unlike an honor system or an ebay rating. I might not make 1 day alts with scamming in mind detectable but it would make serious traders more known and you'd at least know who was trustworthy(ish).

Hey guys.

So, I've been running a rigged mission domi for some time now. After a good amount of missions and trading, I've got just enough so, if I sell my rigged domi at a little below real value with rigs, I'd be able to outfit a Navy Domi.

So, I go to Jita and offer a sale of my domi for 95mil, send out the message a few times. The rigs were 1x Sentry Drone Damage Aug, 1x Large Nanobot, 1x Large Aux Nano Pump

I get a trade offer, the window pops up. I throw my Domi in to see if that's what he's inquiring about, and I see 95mil in green show up, along with his accept checkmark. I accept as well, and it goes through.

But I never got the 95mil.

Character is Marhaba. He proceeds to say in Jita chat "Thanks for the free domi ;)."

Considering that that ship was my largest asset, I'm pretty infuriated. I don't know if this was some bug, scam, or what. Would CCP listen to a petition?

What do I do from here?

GǪexcept that scamming is explicitly and purposefully allowed by the game designers. Its existence has nothing to do with apathy.

Hey OP, dont listen to those evil scammers) I not consider them as humans ever, there is many good peoples in eve just like in real life)) Fly safe