But I never got the 95mil.

Hey guys.

Considering that that ship was my largest asset, I'm pretty infuriated. I don't know if this was some bug, scam, or what. Would CCP listen to a petition?

What do I do from here?

Well then, My 4 year old character shouldn't exist, eh?

I'm not gonna accept that, sorry. CCP is gonna have to get back to me on this one.

I'm not trying to rag on you or anything but.... How did something worth 95 million ISK to you, end up being your largest asset after four years?

This, this so hard.

I've played a ton of MMO's in my lifetime but I have never once been around a community that actually says scamming is a legitimate mechanic of any kind. Let alone game mechanic.

...., but indeed, I'm really astounded at how many people actively defend it. I understand its a part of the game, I understand CCP endorses it, I'll never understand why the players fight for it so adamantly.

From my perspective, it doesn't *have* to be this way, and we wouldn't be having this 8 page discussion if it were a black and white issue, as some people would have you believe.

In the sense that a game's efficiency is limited by connection speed, sure. I don't really believe that to be an sort of excuse for not correcting insecure trading windows, I haven't encountered this drastic of a trade window exploit problem in any other MMO.

If I'm not mistaken, even SOE (who was notorious for a poor connection with their playerbase, if anyone else was along with the NGE), SWG had an alert window whenever the client modified the order, precisely to prevent this problem. I don't see why this hasn't been implemented, especially in a game that has been around as long as EVE has. They don't like getting petitions any more than we like getting scammed.

if you haven't been bankrupt by a scam or gank at least once, you haven't been playing EVE
They wont admit it, but everyone here has had it happen in some form or another at least once

I'm not trying to rag on you or anything but.... How did something worth 95 million ISK to you, end up being your largest asset after four years?

I don't have the time or patience to respond to all of these posts, the bottom line is that the trade window is broken and needs to be addressed.

ORLY? There are other things that need fixing more. Like checking the trade before hitting accept.

I'm calling Shenanigans on that comment. The contracts system has been revamped more than a couple of times to help prevent scamming, at least from being stupidly easy. I remember the days where someone could name a Raven "Caldari Navy Raven" and scam some poor sucker who saw that. These days, you have to get pretty creative to pull off a decent scam, or just get a victim that's asleep at the wheel.

He wouldn't have been able to do anything no matter how long he checked. It is an exploit as outlined here
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=517991&page=1
It was supposed to have been fixed 5 years ago

I'm not trying to rag on you or anything but.... How did something worth 95 million ISK to you, end up being your largest asset after four years?

Holy crap, 10 pages of people continuously ranting at me. Why is this thread still alive?

You got scammed.

Trade window is not safe, and while this particular scam might be different if it is in fact exploiting lag, I wouldn't hold your breath.

You could've prevented this by using the contract system.

It's not just about the "risk vs. reward", it's also about "carelessness and laziness both have a price in eve".

if you haven't been bankrupt by a scam or gank at least once, you haven't been playing EVE
They wont admit it, but everyone here has had it happen in some form or another at least once

But that's NOT the scam that I used. I never hit accept while 95m was shown. I changed the amount before I hit accept. In your link, the amount is changed after. So, please don't slander me and accuse me of exploiting.

If he had waited for me to hit accept first, there would have been no problem. Then again, i would have never hit accept with 95m in the window, so he'd be waiting a long time.

GǪexcept that scamming is explicitly and purposefully allowed by the game designers. Its existence has nothing to do with apathy.

What you did is exactly the same exploit. Hard to weasel out when you describe how you did it, and the entire trick relies on the lag of a high pop system to pull off.

It is an exploit. Has been for 5 years. Learn to scam without needing to exploit.

Well then, My 4 year old character shouldn't exist, eh?

I'm not gonna accept that, sorry. CCP is gonna have to get back to me on this one.

I'm just really surprised that you all feel that way.

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No you're not, or else you wouldn't have spent all your time bumbling around hi-sec.

People are piling on your for ranting that you expect that ripping people off would somehow be ban-able because it's a ridiculous statement from a "vet".

Exploiting is obviously not cool and lag sucks. Not a fan of intentionally obtuse interfaces either.

But scamming is a valid use of one's gameplay time, as is murdering, extorting, stealing, terrorizing, anchoring giant -secure-can dong statues, and just plain blowing crap up.

Not everyone wants to do it, but when people do something constructive it is all the more impressive that they managed to get it done despite all that other nonsense going on.

Check your wallet transactions. (from AGLAIA Thaleia, which is my trade alt).

Everyone eventually gets burned on something. UI is ****. Live and learn.



Live long and prosper