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fkingfurious	Posted - 2007.08.10 18:49:00 - [1] Silly question i realise, but in the grand scheme of things, where does 400 DPS sit? Poor for a BS, but good for a HAC? Or just crap?
Vina Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.10 18:52:00 - [2] Edited by: Vina on 10/08/2007 18:51:59 normal for a hac, bad for a bs. bs have ~800 dps ----------------------------------- my opinion is my own.
Nahno	Posted - 2007.08.10 18:57:00 - [3] 400 DPS is the DPS I hope to get out of the new sac, but I am skeptical.
fkingfurious	Posted - 2007.08.10 19:00:00 - [4] So out of a ferox it would be considered pretty decent?
Xarax Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.10 19:00:00 - [5] 400DPS is why the Rupture is a bad mofo. _______ Originally by: Kara Rhane AFAIK they call that a 'moose knuckle'
Nahno	Posted - 2007.08.10 19:04:00 - [6] Originally by: fkingfurious So out of a ferox it would be considered pretty decent? 400 DPS out of a Ferox would be considered hax.
Gawain Hill	Posted - 2007.08.10 19:13:00 - [7] ok is this 400dps before or after resistances?
darkmancer	Posted - 2007.08.10 19:14:00 - [8] 5 blasters with javlin & 2 HAMs may get you 400pds but i doubt it. 450 dps - I reckon you get roughly this with cruise raven, and rail (spike) rokh. --------------------------------- There's a simple solution to every problem. It is always invariably wrong
fkingfurious	Posted - 2007.08.10 19:17:00 - [9] so 5 x Neutron II, 2x Small nos 10MN MWD II, web II, disrupter II, 2x LSE II 3x MFS II, rcu II em, therm, kinetic screen 12600 shield, 50,60,70,70 resists and 400 DPS before drones would be pretty decent?
Ask Unbeatable Gallente HighTech Marines Ltd. FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.10 19:27:00 - [10] Originally by: darkmancer 5 blasters with javlin & 2 HAMs may get you 400pds but i doubt it. 450 dps - I reckon you get roughly this with cruise raven, and rail (spike) rokh. Blasters with Javelin?
Xequecal	Posted - 2007.08.10 19:28:00 - [11] Sacrilege does about 400 with one BCS and Rage assault missiles. With absolutely maxxed skills it will do 450, but nobody has that.
PathetiQ Gallente The Rat Pack	Posted - 2007.08.10 19:29:00 - [12] doing near 400dps with my thorax (no drone) ya cruiser 5 needed
Corphus Aliastra	Posted - 2007.08.10 19:43:00 - [13] Originally by: darkmancer 5 blasters with void & 2 HAMs may get you 400pds but i doubt it. 450 dps - I reckon you get roughly this with cruise raven, and rail (spike) rokh. /correction
ReePeR McAllem The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2007.08.10 19:55:00 - [14] 400dps is meager for a BC. My Harb does 780dps with drones, and thats with a dual rep tank. Full gank is over 800 dps
darkmancer	Posted - 2007.08.10 20:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Ask Unbeatable Originally by: darkmancer 5 blasters with javlin & 2 HAMs may get you 400pds but i doubt it. 450 dps - I reckon you get roughly this with cruise raven, and rail (spike) rokh. Blasters with Javelin? OMG i mixed the t2 high damage hybred rail ammo, for the t2 high damage hybred blaster OMG END OF THE WORLD!!! --------------------------------- There's a simple solution to every problem. It is always invariably wrong
Apsa1ar Ex Coelis	Posted - 2007.08.10 20:07:00 - [16] Edited by: Apsa1ar on 10/08/2007 20:08:15 Originally by: darkmancer OMG i mixed the t2 high damage hybred rail ammo, for the t2 high damage hybred blaster OMG END OF THE WORLD!!! I'm just a stupid minmatar, but isn't javelin the long range T2 missle ammo? EDIT: Well I'll be, there is Javelin hybrid ammo...
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.10 20:30:00 - [17] Originally by: ReePeR McAllem 400dps is meager for a BC. My Harb does 780dps with drones, and thats with a dual rep tank. Full gank is over 800 dps dang then my 'cane setup with 3 gyros and barrage ammo that gives 400+ dps is not that amazing apparently. --- truth about EVE: Quote: "Guns are fine, boost players" Quote: "Players are fine, boost guns"
KD.Fluffy The Refugees	Posted - 2007.08.10 20:31:00 - [18] Quote: 400dps is meager for a BC. My Harb does 780dps with drones, and thats with a dual rep tank. Full gank is over 800 dps I want to see a dual rep tank harbinger doing 780 dps... no seriously Whats the fit?
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2007.08.10 20:57:00 - [19] Originally by: Grimpak then my 'cane setup with 3 gyros and barrage ammo that gives 400+ dps is not that amazing apparently. Yep, train BC L5 first. Hurricane with 220mm T2, HAM T2, 3 Gyro T2 and max skills = 800 DPS (including T2 hobgoblins). "The whole of NYC is not 1.0. Some back alley in the Bronx is deep 0.0, while right outside NYPD headquarters is 1.0." -- Slaaght Bana
fkingfurious	Posted - 2007.08.10 21:15:00 - [20] And has no tank. And as a result gets owned 1v1. Try again.
Not Bait	Posted - 2007.08.10 21:25:00 - [21] Edited by: Not Bait on 10/08/2007 21:28:45 Originally by: KD.Fluffy Quote: 400dps is meager for a BC. My Harb does 780dps with drones, and thats with a dual rep tank. Full gank is over 800 dps I want to see a dual rep tank harbinger doing 780 dps... no seriously Whats the fit? He's counting implants. A few people in this thread are counting implants. That or they're flat out wrong because their DPS figures are coming from Quickfit. His fit is: 2 Faction Heat Sinks 2 MARs 2 eanm/DC/whatever 7 heavy pulse with conflag G2-Gamma & CX-2 implants 782 dps To fit the rest, pick 1 to 2 of the following: PG implant, ACR rigs, more faction crap, or a downsized rep. EDITED for stupidity
Liang Nuren The Refugees	Posted - 2007.08.10 21:28:00 - [22] Originally by: Not Bait He's counting implants. A few people in this thread are counting implants. That or they're flat out wrong because their DPS figures are coming from Quickfit. His fit is: 2 Faction Mag stabs 2 MARs 2 eanm/DC/whatever 7 heavy pulse with conflag G2-Gamma & CX-2 implants 782 dps To fit the rest, pick 1 to 2 of the following: PG implant, ANP rigs, more faction crap, or a downsized rep. 2 faction heat sinks I assume. But I agree about that. I've had good luck with EFT's dps calculator though.. (it averaged within 4 DPS for the 2 fights I tried it in). Either way, DPS is such a situational figure and DPS calculators are under optimal circumstances. Liang Originally by: "QproQ" When people say "Put 'stabs on your 'cane", they mean GYROSTABS"
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.10 22:03:00 - [23] Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: Grimpak then my 'cane setup with 3 gyros and barrage ammo that gives 400+ dps is not that amazing apparently. Yep, train BC L5 first. Hurricane with 220mm T2, HAM T2, 3 Gyro T2 and max skills = 800 DPS (including T2 hobgoblins). heeee... only in half a year then or smth. caldari/amarr/minmatar cruiser lvl5, leadership skills and other **s and giggles are first. --- truth about EVE: Quote: "Guns are fine, boost players" Quote:** "Players are fine, boost guns"
Mortuus Minmatar Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.10 22:21:00 - [24] Originally by: fkingfurious And has no tank. And as a result gets owned 1v1. Try again. Note to self, tell victims they have won, as obviously you can't beat a ship if you don't run an active tank...lolz ex-Occassus Republica <3
XrayZ Euphoria Foundation	Posted - 2007.08.10 22:30:00 - [25] Originally by: ReePeR McAllem 400dps is meager for a BC. My Harb does 780dps with drones, and thats with a dual rep tank. Full gank is over 800 dps ReeP is eve-overlord... o7 cu in a while if ur still in area =) --------------------------------------
n0thing omen.	Posted - 2007.08.10 23:23:00 - [26] 400 dps is a normal for HAC/BC/Tanked CS classes, normal for tanking-oriented BS setups, bad for BS hybrid setups. ---
Kunming The Coalition Of Buccaneers Mercenary Services	Posted - 2007.08.10 23:32:00 - [27] Depends on what ship we are talking about here, 400 DPS is no where fine for a deimos or zealot f.ex. but if you're going for a tanking ship then that sounds decent enough... Quote: READ THIS NEXT PART CAREFULLY AS IT IS VERY IMPORTANT AND POSTING A REPLY WITHOUT READING IT MAY RESULT IN YOU LOOKING STUPID.
ReePeR McAllem The Carebear Stare	Posted - 2007.08.10 23:39:00 - [28] Originally by: XrayZ Originally by: ReePeR McAllem 400dps is meager for a BC. My Harb does 780dps with drones, and thats with a dual rep tank. Full gank is over 800 dps ReeP is eve-overlord... o7 cu in a while if ur still in area =) Sup dude!
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.11 00:10:00 - [29] Quote: Depends on what ship we are talking about here, 400 DPS is no where fine for a deimos or zealot f.ex. but if you're going for a tanking ship then that sounds decent enough... A zealot with max skills and 3 HS and full rack of heavy pulses will be hard pressed to pass 400 DPS.
KD.Fluffy The Refugees	Posted - 2007.08.11 00:17:00 - [30] Quote: He's counting implants. A few people in this thread are counting implants. That or they're flat out wrong because their DPS figures are coming from Quickfit. His fit is: 2 Faction Heat Sinks 2 MARs 2 eanm/DC/whatever 7 heavy pulse with conflag G2-Gamma & CX-2 implants 782 dps To fit the rest, pick 1 to 2 of the following: PG implant, ACR rigs, more faction crap, or a downsized rep. Personally since your resists will kinda suck with that setup, i'd go for a third damage mod and the bigest plate you can fit. True to a gank ship :P
korrey Amarr	Posted - 2007.08.11 05:02:00 - [31] Originally by: Gamesguy Quote: Depends on what ship we are talking about here, 400 DPS is no where fine for a deimos or zealot f.ex. but if you're going for a tanking ship then that sounds decent enough... A zealot with max skills and 3 HS and full rack of heavy pulses will be hard pressed to pass 400 DPS. I think its actually more around 450~, because I dont quite have maxed skills and Im running up on 425. But I get your point, Zealot isn't the hard it it should have been. (Or was with 8 unstacked heatsinks.) I think people pretend that drop dead gorgeous looks add an extra 150 dps. ----------- Amarr- If you like to handicap yourself before the fight begins, then we may accomodate your needs surprisingly well.
JoeT Amarr Short Attention Span Nex Eternus	Posted - 2007.08.13 18:23:00 - [32] Edited by: JoeT on 13/08/2007 18:23:06 Originally by: korrey Originally by: Gamesguy Quote: Depends on what ship we are talking about here, 400 DPS is no where fine for a deimos or zealot f.ex. but if you're going for a tanking ship then that sounds decent enough... A zealot with max skills and 3 HS and full rack of heavy pulses will be hard pressed to pass 400 DPS. I think its actually more around 450~, because I dont quite have maxed skills and Im running up on 425. But I get your point, Zealot isn't the hard it it should have been. (Or was with 8 unstacked heatsinks.) I think people pretend that drop dead gorgeous looks add an extra 150 dps. at max with both 5% med laser and 5% rof implant it tips a tad over 500dp
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.08.13 18:50:00 - [33] ônormal for a hac, bad for a bs. bs have ~800 dpsö I often wonder if I am working out DPS wrong. By my math I have 8 turrets T2 425mm railguns, 4 damage mods, and 1 faster fire rig, antimatter ammo, no damage implants. Assuming 100% hitrate I get 689.613dps all skills and T2 skills max which also means another 25% bonus from the ship. Am I working out something wrong? I never understood how people got 800 to 1000dps ships. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Trojanman190 Caldari Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.08.13 19:01:00 - [34] Originally by: Pottsey ônormal for a hac, bad for a bs. bs have ~800 dpsö I often wonder if I am working out DPS wrong. By my math I have 8 turrets T2 425mm railguns, 4 damage mods, and 1 faster fire rig, antimatter ammo, no damage implants. Assuming 100% hitrate I get 689.613dps all skills and T2 skills max which also means another 25% bonus from the ship. Am I working out something wrong? I never understood how people got 800 to 1000dps ships. You are using railguns, and thats really really good with railguns. Fitting that with blasters will get you over 1,000 easily.
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2007.08.13 19:07:00 - [35] Never realised there was such a large difference between blasters and Railguns. I mean I always know blaster did more damage but didnÆt realise it was double damage pretty much. I guess people wouldnÆt recommend blasters for PvE though would they. Passive shield tanking guide click here
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.13 19:07:00 - [36] Originally by: Pottsey ônormal for a hac, bad for a bs. bs have ~800 dpsö I often wonder if I am working out DPS wrong. By my math I have 8 turrets T2 425mm railguns, 4 damage mods, and 1 faster fire rig, antimatter ammo, no damage implants. Assuming 100% hitrate I get 689.613dps all skills and T2 skills max which also means another 25% bonus from the ship. Am I working out something wrong? I never understood how people got 800 to 1000dps ships. Short range guns and add drones. (hence, blasterthron "does" ~1200dps but guns do like 900-1000, rest is drones) -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
an internet Duragon Pioneer Group GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.13 19:22:00 - [37] Edited by: an internet on 13/08/2007 19:24:01 Originally by: Lazuran Originally by: Grimpak then my 'cane setup with 3 gyros and barrage ammo that gives 400+ dps is not that amazing apparently. Yep, train BC L5 first. Hurricane with 220mm T2, HAM T2, 3 Gyro T2 and max skills = 800 DPS (including T2 hobgoblins). Thats nowhere near 800. Quickfit is generally wrong. With max skills, and rigs, and two implants, and Hail M, you can scratch 780. With more reasonable ammo, and no implants nor rigs, 500 dps is what you can get out of the cane.
iiOs The Cry of Mankind	Posted - 2007.08.13 19:25:00 - [38] lol at this thread, pff, my ibis does 2k DPS ---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- BB
Ethan Hunte	Posted - 2007.08.13 19:46:00 - [39] numbers in this thread are definitely off, even quickfit calculates it better. using the default resists when checking stats in the latest quick fit, a hyperion with L5 battleship, level 5 in all related gunnery skills, 7 neutron blaster II and NULL ammo gets 782 DPS.
Kur'Dekaija Atomic Heroes The OSS	Posted - 2007.08.13 19:48:00 - [40] Edited by: Kur''Dekaija on 13/08/2007 19:50:04 Originally by: iiOs lol at this thread, pff, my ibis does 2k DPS velator does more dmg I think due to be able to use 2x light drones.. or has that been changed? if not then 2x light neutrons t2 with best faction AM and 2x hobgoblins t2 according to EFT does 130 dps, (not max skills here but close) EDIT: above sucks.. use 2x ion t2 with mag t2 and you get 145 dps
J Valkor Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.08.13 19:54:00 - [41] Edited by: J Valkor on 13/08/2007 19:55:08 My Nighthawk does almost 500 DPS with Caldari Heavy Missiles and a high skills. I suppose I could sacrifice a good deal of it and fit more SPR 2's... but naa.
Xoduse Gallente Beasts of Burden YouWhat	Posted - 2007.08.13 20:09:00 - [42] Originally by: Ethan Hunte numbers in this thread are definitely off, even quickfit calculates it better. using the default resists when checking stats in the latest quick fit, a hyperion with L5 battleship, level 5 in all related gunnery skills, 7 neutron blaster II and NULL ammo gets 782 DPS. Alot of the numbers in here ARE wrong but thats dps on structure, un resisted. And a hyperion gets 8 turrets, why not use them all? ---------------------------------
Suzy Creamcheesz	Posted - 2007.08.13 20:53:00 - [43] here is the only reliable way to calculate your own DPS. there is a good spreadsheet available on the forums, but it assumes max skills so its really only good for comparing possible setups, and not for determining actual DPS (unless you have max skills) anyway heres how you do it: damage of ammo * damage multiplier of guns * number of guns / ROF to get the damage of your ammo, just show info on the ammo. if you use missiles you have to fit them in a launcher and show info on the ship, then show info on the missiles from the fitting tab of the ship info in order to get your damage with skills and imps. damage multiplier and ROF can be found in gun info, just make sure you check it while fitted to an active ship so your skills and ship bonus are factored in.
Ryan Scouse'UK Gallente	Posted - 2007.08.13 21:23:00 - [44] Originally by: Suzy Creamcheesz here is the only reliable way to calculate your own DPS. there is a good spreadsheet available on the forums, but it assumes max skills so its really only good for comparing possible setups, and not for determining actual DPS (unless you have max skills) anyway heres how you do it: damage of ammo * damage multiplier of guns * number of guns / ROF to get the damage of your ammo, just show info on the ammo. if you use missiles you have to fit them in a launcher and show info on the ship, then show info on the missiles from the fitting tab of the ship info in order to get your damage with skills and imps. damage multiplier and ROF can be found in gun info, just make sure you check it while fitted to an active ship so your skills and ship bonus are factored in. 648 on my 7 x 250 rail astarte =/ hmmmmmmm :(

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