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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.02.03 15:38:00 -
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Its now X weeks since the "introduction of tech II" and its also a few weeks sine the first miniscule batch of Tech II BPs were given out.
Some may wonder why they aren't seeing even those Tech II modules being sold much: The answer is simply that for many of the T2 Blueprints their requisite Tech 1 blueprint - the blueprints needed to make the tech 1 component item which goes to make the final t2 item - many of those blueprnts are STILL missing.
EVE Players have been promised over and over in a variety of places, from dev chats to CSM to comment son IRC, that the "Missing T1 BPS will be added" - even giving dates and promises of "Tomorrow at latest".
This farcical situation has perpetuated itself for well over 3 weeks at least and is now capped by Lekjart claiming that CCP have now unilaterally gone back on their word and will now introduce these missing T1 BPs through agents.
How much more farce can we add to this shoddy example of mismanagement of Castor release of T2?
Simply what is the point in allowing t2 blueprints to go out where th only means for owners to produce items is to wait for random drops of the required T1 item and hope players dont just recycle them rather than selling them.
I was unaware that T2 was to be "the patch of the trade channel" where all manufacturers were obliged to sit in Trade for 18 hours a day so they can eek out maybe hald a dozen components from the entie galactic population.
Enough really is enough.
CCP need to once and for all stop this ignorant behanviour and tell us precisely where these misisng BPs are and when they will be added into the system.
Saying "slowly through agents" is NOT an answer though. It is a fudge that avoids the entire mismanaged release. WHya aren't those BPs out now EVEN if through the agent system? Clearly something is wrong or its yet another internal misscommunication disaster within CCP with one dev thinking another Dev had done X, Y or Z.
Stop buggering about with your players CCP and start giving us some definitive answer.
Tech II is NOT here, nor ever will be, until we at least have T1 properly out.
Sort it out and stop playing us for idiots, we're customers promised actions and being repeatedly let down time and time again with dithering devs incapable of the basic levels of honesty and openess required in any business.
Sort it out.
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2004.02.03 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 03/02/2004 16:00:09
Oh I bet they're saying the prints are out, mistakenly dropped as loot the first week of retail to a player not having logged on for the last 6 months but it's still there! 
Seriously CCP you need a better tool to overlook what is in and what isn't, I know I could use on for my corporation... 
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GALAGA
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Posted - 2004.02.03 15:58:00 -
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I agree with you Morkt, but tell us which tech 1 bp you need to make your tech 2 item and maybe we can help you.
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Tano
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Posted - 2004.02.03 15:59:00 -
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Just to say I second Morkt on this. We have a T2 bp and other than some very short runs we have not used it as getting the T1 item is imposible in any quantity.
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Bonnie Parker
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:01:00 -
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Edited by: Bonnie Parker on 03/02/2004 16:02:19
I agree.
And an added problem is the effect this has on people who have specialized in DCM. The price of Morphite is dropping dramatically day after day because theres no demand for it in any great quantaties at the moment. So basically, anyone who mines Ark and Bist are selling thier 'by-product' morphite for cheaper and cheaper prices just to get rid of it. That in turn is taking away the insentive to Deep Core Miners to bother mining Mercoxit with its Pollution Clouds and 40m3 volume.
May as well stick to Ark and Bist since thats producing more than enough Morphite to satisfy the demand atm.
Why CCP allowed you to get Morphite from anything but Mercoxit I'll never know. They've screwed all those that wanted to specialise in DCM.
Get the high end tech 2 BP's on the market and increase the demand for morphite else DCM will be a complete waste of time and skill points.
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Skaz
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:05:00 -
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And not to mention that Tech 2 can't be sold on the market...
I still have to see a useful tech 2 item for sale.
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Toulak
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:08:00 -
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I still have to see a useful tech 2 item for sale.
So T2 backup arrays arnt useful?
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:10:00 -
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What kind of noncense is it that tech1 still needs to be released while the tech2 bp's are ingame?
That ain't normal, ccp fix it!
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Bonnie Parker
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:11:00 -
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I still have to see a useful tech 2 item for sale.
So T2 backup arrays arnt useful?
Not useful to a Deep Core Miner unless it takes a lot of Morphite to make one!  
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Builder
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:12:00 -
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Sad fact is that 90% of tech 1 items, and thereforce tech 2 items, are utter crap and will never be used.
The so called 'lottery' of tech 2 items is a utter and total joke, I mean what would u rather have, tech 2 dual 150mm railgun bp, or cargo expander 2 bp?
Anyone with a brain wants the expanders...
And TBH morkt at least agent *****s are GETTING bps, where are the OTHER ways of getting bps and others stuff we were promised? Oh thats right they ARENT IN, welcome to AGENT ***** online people...
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Jim Raynor
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:12:00 -
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Yup, ridiculous. We as players have made lists of the missing blueprints how many times now? Still they are never added, patch after patch we are ignored.
We are told the missing blueprints will be added, they never are.
We are told the missing blueprints are available via agent missions, but this is not true. Only one I can think of that is, is a shield boost amplifier I.
CCP, just add the blueprints, how much time could it possibly take? We have made lists, you know what is missing from the market.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:16:00 -
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Sad fact is that 90% of tech 1 items, and thereforce tech 2 items, are utter crap and will never be used.
The so called 'lottery' of tech 2 items is a utter and total joke, I mean what would u rather have, tech 2 dual 150mm railgun bp, or cargo expander 2 bp?
Anyone with a brain wants the expanders...
And TBH morkt at least agent *****s are GETTING bps, where are the OTHER ways of getting bps and others stuff we were promised? Oh thats right they ARENT IN, welcome to AGENT ***** online people...
St... Builder
WEll if you kill a thousand Gallente Navy Detectives you might get a medium carbon ammo BP!
SO many broken primises along this route - I wish they would just fix the simply ones we have all been waiting so long for.
As Jim pointed out: We did what you asked CCP, now do what you promised.
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:17:00 -
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Id like to know why none of the other "schools" of bps haven't been released yet. ie Nanite stuff, new rockets(missiles?), or anything else.
Not that these wouldn't have the same problems now faced by those above, but what is the critieria for releasing "backup arrays" and not "missiles"....
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Skaz
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:17:00 -
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Edited by: Skaz on 03/02/2004 16:18:02
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I still have to see a useful tech 2 item for sale.
So T2 backup arrays arnt useful?
Like I said, I haven't seen them
Seeing is believing, unless the other guy is bluffing.
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Nicholas Marshal
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:20:00 -
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Agreed. The situation is slightly silly.
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Lomex
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:22:00 -
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I really should stop reading these forums, I find myself not only agreeing with Morkt but also Jade. IN THE SAME DAY!?!
I must lie down.
Morkt is totally right though, time and again we see the results of a lack of communication within CCP. We are your customers, and we are telling you your company isn't perfect.
What ever problems there are with the actual product aside. The 'customer service' speak that constantly leaves CCP devs/cs/gms mouths in order to placate us for just one more week serves nothing but to frustrate your customers.
Try telling us the truth, but first please make sure it IS the truth. It may hurt, but its the right thing to do.
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Lucas De'Thal
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:26:00 -
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i don't know what i would do without tech2. it's the greatest thing that CCP has released. 
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Ukiah
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:28:00 -
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Edited by: Ukiah on 03/02/2004 16:29:22
Screw filling the gaps in tech I bp's.
I WANT MORE UI tweaks/redesigns! I'm still not satisfied with the 'loading' animated icon. I want a third, configurable one. Also, can you devote some time to changing the status bars. I want mine to be red!
/me sarcasm mode off
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Amin
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:29:00 -
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Heh, iv been complaining about the missing bp for over 4 months now. Every time i petition it i get told they "are found through rare rat drops, spawn containers, agent rewards". But the only times iv ever heard of bp being in spawn containers if during the first weeks of retail when the loot table was fubar.
A few CSM's ago TomB did ask for a list of missing bp and said something along the lines of "come on IRC and bug me until they are in". Few weeks ago they added new some bp in Heimtar but nothing since.
Pann, devs, anyone? Can we get a reply on this?
Drink StarsiÖ Relation Co-ordinator
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Kaaii
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:34:00 -
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I think they should have released "expendable" item bps. That way there would be a "supply AND demand" for these items, such as gun ammo, missiles, drones etc.
It would have created a T2 tier market that actually has some movment. The Agnet runners would have benifited (supply of tools and resources), the miners would have benifited, (mins), Scientists, bpcs,..traders (the non-T2 base mfg equipment/supplies) even the rats (ganking all of the above  )
I mean, just how many back up sensors do you buy a week anyway?? OR any of the other T2 ship equipment?
Seems logicial to me, but, what do I know...
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Prophecy
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:34:00 -
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While I understand your frustration Morkt, I think that you're incorrect about it being a mistake or ignorance on CCPs part.
Rather than committing themselves to the effort of delivering future content to keep players interested, CCPs approach is going to be to trickle miniscule tidbits of their original promise. Their goal is not to create an interesting or complete game, or even to keep players online. Just to keep them shelling out their 12.95 a month on the hope that Eve might eventually live up to its potential.
It's not mismanagement, it's clever manipulation. It'll trickle in just fast enough to keep the majority of players from getting fed up and canceling their accounts, but no faster.
And given that your choices are to throw away the 8+ months you've already invested in this game, or to deal with the manner in which CCP has decided to play this out, they've got you exactly where they want you.
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Stront3h
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:35:00 -
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So typical of todays society, you want everything and wanted it yesterday!!
Nice whine Morkt, lots of constructive help for the Devs there. May be you should take over?
Rome wasn't built in a day ffs!!
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:37:00 -
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I agree with Morkt and Jim.
If it had been something uber difficult like player stations then no. However, we are talking about the simple addition of BP's that are missing from the market.
CCP has the list, we are still waiting two weeks after the patch that they were going to go into.
Please, CCP, sort this out.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 03/02/2004 16:44:12
Well, 'tis last semi-official bit of info on the issue:
As for the latest update, "pong: small technical dillemas but will be there after the next update on tranq not a 100% when exacly that is". I should note that 'next update' can mean different things in different contexts, and in this case probably refers to the next DB update the game design crew pushes to TQ. Not necessarily the next downtime, or even the next patch.
... and yeah, the fact 'small technical dillemas' seem to be holding back quite crucial part of game for unspecified period of time, with no apparent concern from the developers... is quite worrying. Or would be, if i cared. >>;
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:43:00 -
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While I understand your frustration Morkt, I think that you're incorrect about it being a mistake or ignorance on CCPs part.
Rather than committing themselves to the effort of delivering future content to keep players interested, CCPs approach is going to be to trickle miniscule tidbits of their original promise. Their goal is not to create an interesting or complete game, or even to keep players online. Just to keep them shelling out their 12.95 a month on the hope that Eve might eventually live up to its potential.
It's not mismanagement, it's clever manipulation. It'll trickle in just fast enough to keep the majority of players from getting fed up and canceling their accounts, but no faster.
And given that your choices are to throw away the 8+ months you've already invested in this game, or to deal with the manner in which CCP has decided to play this out, they've got you exactly where they want you.
Not really:
You miss the obvious point:
They release tech 2 blueprints BEFORE their Tech 1 counterparts were available.
The manner or speed of release is irrelevant - the order is another matter.
Or do you think we should be getting tech 4 before tech 3?
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:45:00 -
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Edited by: Morkt Drak on 03/02/2004 16:55:39
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So typical of todays society, you want everything and wanted it yesterday!!
Nice whine Morkt, lots of constructive help for the Devs there. May be you should take over?
Rome wasn't built in a day ffs!!
Become aquainted with both the length of this problem and its issue such as T2 item BPs being released before T1 item BPs for the same module type:
Rome wasn't built in a day but they did build the foundations first and not second or third or fourth...
(Now I see Illian's point about adulation clearly though)
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Amin
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:46:00 -
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It really depends of what the devs had planned (assuming there was planning ), Maybe they are supposed to be rare, to try and create a market for owners of rare t1 bp. But if this is the case there needs to be a supply of them from somewhere. Agents certainly dont hand the missing bp out and well i beleive its a myth that rats drop bp, cos iv never heard of it happening from a realiable source.
On the other hand if the devs have simply just forgotton then they should add them in asap.
The real frustration with is whole business is the conflicting responses we get from the devs.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:48:00 -
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Morkt I know this doesn't solve your problem but if you told us what you need I will get with the rest of JF and see what of those mods we have. Thats about all the player base can really do.
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:52:00 -
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Morkt I know this doesn't solve your problem but if you told us what you need I will get with the rest of JF and see what of those mods we have. Thats about all the player base can really do.
It might solve my individual issue Muad but it doesn't resolve the overall issue: and that's what im bothered about right now.
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Skaz
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Posted - 2004.02.03 16:58:00 -
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Heh, iv been complaining about the missing bp for over 4 months now. Every time i petition it i get told they "are found through rare rat drops, spawn containers, agent rewards". But the only times iv ever heard of bp being in spawn containers if during the first weeks of retail when the loot table was fubar.
A few CSM's ago TomB did ask for a list of missing bp and said something along the lines of "come on IRC and bug me until they are in". Few weeks ago they added new some bp in Heimtar but nothing since.
Pann, devs, anyone? Can we get a reply on this?
I propose that we actually go on IRC and totally bug Tomb until he gives in, I can also arrange the disclosure of his telephone no. and address if you are so inclined
But seriously though this isn't very positive, I mean Cargo Expander 1 was released nearly half a year after release, an item that should have been in since retail!
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